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Speaker 1: And then and tie, Welcome back to the salid Verbo

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildebrand. As always,

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Speaker 1: I am joined by the one, the only, still, the incomparable,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein. Out there in snowy, blustery, still wintry Chicago, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Dan Ruberstein, how are you not bad? It's in the thirties,

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Speaker 2: House Your Marriage that deals with all things relationships between

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Speaker 2: To not just Oklahoma?

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Speaker 1: Is that you for you? What is that that is

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Speaker 2: you did this with Kate. I didn't do this with Jody,

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you know people who have

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Speaker 1: That is so much the case at so many different

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Speaker 1: How are we going to do this? First off, you

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Speaker 1: Double dare? Okay? Do you dare to have double digit losses.

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Speaker 1: Here is the list? Well, let me read the list

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Speaker 1: a little bit worse than what we had originally thought.

434
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Speaker 1: But I think reason for optimism. I Butch Jones got

435
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: a lot of crap for the way it went down

436
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: at Tennessee. Before that, he was a pretty good coach,

437
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: and I have faith here that he can help lead

438
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: them out of this two to ten place.

439
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 2: You want me to give you another give me hnd

440
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: nugget or factoid about a team really said that way.

441
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Speaker 1: I like that. That's good. Thank you.

442
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: Lost literal dozens of flyers to the transfer portal, but

443
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: are bringing in guys from schools like UCLA, Ole, miss Auburn, Kentucky,

444
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: cal and Missouri. A Power five team with no Power

445
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: five wins?

446
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: Uh? You just saying this is a power five team

447
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: with no powerfive wins.

448
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: Correct, which is one of the most important things as

449
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: a power five team to beat other power five teams.

450
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: So you're listing a power five team with no power

451
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: five wins. Yes, yeah, correct. The only one that would

452
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: rise to that level will be Indiana.

453
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: Correct ding ding ding ding rough here rough watch not

454
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: an entertaining to and ten, really depressing to and ten

455
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: where everything sort of went wrong on one side of

456
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: the ball and that'd be offense. And there was enthusiasm

457
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: heading into the season. They were in the top like

458
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: top twenty in an initial poll in the in the

459
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 2: initial pole, but in the initial sp plus. Yeah, Indiana

460
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: was twenty eight per Bill C's numbers.

461
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: You know where they finished.

462
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: Way lower?

463
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: One was it something? Was it two or three digits? Three?

464
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: They finished one hundredth oh, right on the nose, one

465
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: hundred on the nose. I'm with you, okay. So the

466
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: two wins were against the Idaho Vandals and Western Kentucky

467
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: be Bailey ZAPPI. What was concerning to me is, as

468
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: you said, most of it wasn't really entertaining. They had

469
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: the issue with Michael Pennix, you know, going down again,

470
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: but like pretty much got destroyed in every game outside

471
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Speaker 1: of the Michigan State game, which was close, in the

472
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: Maryland game, which was a field goal, they pretty much

473
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: got dismantled every game that they lost, and if you're

474
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Speaker 1: an Indiana fan, like you said, I mean, they hit

475
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: the transfer portal pretty hard and they had a lot

476
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: of guys leave as well. I don't know, man, how

477
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: do you feel if you're a Hoosier fan going into

478
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two campaign? Is there a reason for

479
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: optimism here?

480
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: They made some coaching changes they hired. I mean, they

481
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: have new coordinators on both sides of the ball, but

482
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: they hired Walt Bell, who was most recently a failed

483
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: UMass head coach, but I think has a decent reputation

484
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: as an offensive mine to take over the offense. They

485
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 2: bring in Connor Bazilac from a Zoo. They lose one

486
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: of their best, if not their best, assistants to Notre Dame.

487
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: I believe Declan McCullough, the running backs and coach, who

488
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: was pretty well regarded. So yeah, I don't It's hard

489
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: to see with how down that offense was last year,

490
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: where quarterbacks were not protected, and when they were protected

491
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: they were not all that good. There were drops. There

492
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: was just not much that could be done, not much

493
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: in the way of adjustments. Did I think they scored

494
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: twenty points in a Big Ten game once I believe

495
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: you might have their scores in front of you. That

496
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: was against Maryland. Yeah, so there's such a vast and

497
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: long road ahead on offense. Hopefully Connor Baslac can can

498
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: help sort of bridge that gap in a respectable way

499
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: and do for Indiana what a number of at least competent,

500
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: if not interesting quarterbacks have done for a number of programs.

501
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: You look at like what Peyton Ramsey did for Northwestern

502
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, like they weren't good, but

503
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: they were like eighty something like that, where they were

504
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: merely below average and not a terrible embarrassment. And if

505
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: you look at Tom Allen teams, they usually improve. He

506
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: makes changes, he adjusts in off seasons, but it's typically

507
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: the defense, given his background, that is making that big improvement.

508
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: And defense wasn't really the problem. The problem is a

509
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: combination of not having an offense and playing in the

510
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 2: Big Ten East. I don't know if you've looked at

511
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: their schedule.

512
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for it now. I'm looking at it right now. Brutal.

513
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: They've got two like pretty brutal stretches, including the end

514
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: of the season. I think it's Michigan State, Penn State,

515
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State or something like that in consecutive weeks. It's

516
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: a real tough spot. So they really need just a

517
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: complete overhaul, which they've done along the coaching staff, and

518
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: they've I mean, they lost what they lost in the portal,

519
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: but they also brought in, as I mentioned, a ton,

520
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: So you're hopeful that what works for a lot of

521
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: our parents and their tech issues is going to work

522
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: for Indiana.

523
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: And that's just a hard reboot. Yeah, yeah, hard reboot.

524
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the schedule. It closes out, as you said,

525
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: Penn State at Ohio State at Michigan State. That's tough. Yeah,

526
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: and then there are other spots in there that could

527
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: be particularly tricky. We don't know what Cincinnati is going

528
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: to look like. I think Cincinnati will take a step.

529
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: Back either side of the home and home with that.

530
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: Game's at Cincinnati, program's done well. Luke Fickle's a good coach.

531
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: They're at Nebraska the week after that. Who knows what

532
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: we're going to get with Nebraska. Hm. Then they go

533
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: to well, they'll come back home, but then they square

534
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: off against Michigan the week after that. So it's a

535
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: couple stretches here for Indiana where they're going to have

536
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: to pull it together. I don't know. To and ten now, yeah,

537
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: to and ten that left the mark last season. That

538
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: caught a lot of folks by surprise.

539
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Tom Allen just got paid as well.

540
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: And so I think the expectations like, hey, run a

541
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: bowl team. You need to have this team in bowls

542
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: more often than not. And so I think there's ramped

543
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: up pressure in Bloomington. And I don't know if it's

544
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: fully fair given who Indiana is competing against, both on

545
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: the field and on the recruiting trail. But I don't

546
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: know how many more seasons of full offensive incompetence that

547
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: Indiana will put up with, because it's just it's inexcusable.

548
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: You can you can be incompetent on one side of

549
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: the ball if you're winning games, but if you're losing

550
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: games in the manner in which they're losing and you

551
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: just look fully lost, that's you.

552
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Can't get blown out. You just can't get dismantled the

553
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: way they did.

554
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: All right, who's now give me another name. You can't

555
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: do it in the wake of Hope. You can't do

556
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: it in the wake of their twenty twenty season.

557
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Correct.

558
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: That seemed magical. Okay, this school has been traditionally truly

559
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: bad and awful, and it's always going to be an

560
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: uphill climb no matter who is the head coach. And

561
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: they have a new coach and a part of his

562
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: hiring strategy is like, I'm just going to hire a

563
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: bunch of twenty six year olds, twenty eight year olds

564
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: who are just gas from major places LSU, Oregon, places

565
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: like that. I'm actually not positive about LSU, but Oregon

566
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: is one of them, and we're going to go in

567
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: on you and creativity, and perhaps this coach feels especially

568
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: comfortable with a scrappy group of underdogs as a head coach,

569
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 2: rather than spending time at a major program.

570
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Clark Lee and Vanderbilt? I'm not,

571
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: but it could apply. It could apply to Clark Lee

572
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: and Vanderbilt, could it not? Now?

573
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if the GA from Oregon thing. It's

574
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: Joe Morehead and Akron of obviously Joe Morehead's connection to

575
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: the Ducks, having spent the last two seasons there, But

576
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: we'll get to Clark Lee. Akron went four and eight

577
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: a few years ago and fired Terry Bowden. Terry Bowden

578
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: is the best modern coach in Akron's history since they

579
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: became a Division I slash FBS school. He's the only

580
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: one to win both seven and eight games in the season.

581
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: Cora Achron correct they fired Terry Bowden after going four

582
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: and eight to move in a new direction. It does

583
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: not work out. Joe Moorehead is brought in, perhaps feeling

584
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: wistful for his days back at Fordham, scrappy group of

585
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: underdogs where he didn't have much in the way of

586
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: equipment or so port or anything like that. I'm not

587
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: saying Akron is necessarily in that place, but just in

588
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: looking at their recent results on the field, they actually

589
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: had a, you know, some promising play from a quarterback

590
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: last year, Zach Gibson, I believe his name. He takes off,

591
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 2: he transfers and goes to Georgia Tech. And they're just

592
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: they're all in they I mean, they're all in on

593
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: the youth movement in the coaching ranks. And then they

594
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: bring in some guys from the portal they are they're trying,

595
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: they're trying, and the nice thing about it for Joe

596
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Morehead is there's virtually no pressure to win right now

597
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: at Akron with how down they've been. I think they've

598
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: beaten exactly zero non bowling Green FBS schools in the

599
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: last like three years. It's just it's they're in a

600
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: down place the ZIP so you understand why they're in

601
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: this two and ten conversation. But look, yeah, transfer's coming

602
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: in from places like pitt Memphis, Syracuse, LSU, Minnesota. I'm

603
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: not saying Akron is going to be in a good place,

604
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: but I'm saying I think within a couple of years,

605
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: Joe Morehead, they keep hitting the portal in a shrewd way,

606
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: they can become a tough out in the MAC.

607
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: I think they can be. You think Joe Morehead will

608
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: be there in a couple of years. Off they start

609
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: to become a tough out in the MAC. You think

610
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna hang hang out at Akron.

611
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there is something about the location of Akron,

612
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: which is not terribly far from where he's from in

613
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: pitt Pittsburgh, that I think geographically he likes the area,

614
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: and I think there is he might just prefer being

615
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: a big fish in a small pond. Some guys are like,

616
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily the most common thing. If the pit

617
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: job opens up and he takes Akron to become a

618
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: nine to three program, and you're like, wow, this all

619
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: this makes sense. But no, he's been to the SEC,

620
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: he's been to the Big Ten, he's been to the

621
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: Pac twelve. I'm sure he would have had options to

622
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: be a major program coordinator and put himself in a

623
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: better position to again become a head coach at a

624
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: bigger place than Akron, But this is what appealed to him.

625
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: So I don't know make sense Akron.

626
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: Last season, the Zips beat Bryant, which is a football program,

627
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: I assure you, and Bowling Green they probably should have

628
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: beaten ball State as well. We will get to ball

629
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: State at some point else. During this long offseason, Bill

630
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: c hit this one pretty much on the nose. He

631
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: had them at one twenty four preseason after the Bulls.

632
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: They were one twenty seven. Yep, so this was not

633
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: expected to be a good team. It was not a

634
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: good team, and the coaching change should come as no

635
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: great surprise. The fact that they were able to get

636
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: Joe Morehead, I think is a pretty big coup. Sure,

637
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Joe Moreheads, he's a name. They're not necessarily putting their

638
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: name in a hat here. They're not putting it out

639
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: on monster dot com and seeing what the cat drags in. Uh?

640
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: Is monster dot com still a thing? I don't know

641
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: if that's no clue. But nonetheless, nonetheless recruiter and indeed

642
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: whatever they used, yeah to get Joe moreheads, I think

643
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: pretty big coup. So good for them.

644
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: I think so too, And it's I we'll see what happens,

645
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: because he has an ability to sell what he's done

646
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: in previous places in a manner in which perhaps so

647
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: he's recruiting against. Don't there's not that many coaches in

648
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: the MAC or lower level, Big ten or whatever that

649
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: can say, yeah, I help develop Saquon Barkley. Let's let's

650
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: do fun things. Uh in Akron. So, I think they

651
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: can get back to becoming a Bowl caliber program if

652
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: he is, if he is going to be there for

653
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: years upon.

654
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: Years, All right, we go one, two, three, four, five, six,

655
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: seven teams left? Okay, where are we going? I'm in

656
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: the mood now, let's do it.

657
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: Not one, not two. But I believe three Clemson players

658
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: transferred to this program.

659
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh that be South Florida.

660
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff Scott's connections, Yeah, including AJU Azu the ones

661
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: promising but rack Canadian wide receiver. I want to say

662
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: at Clemson, it was certainly a year in which Clemson

663
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: saw a ton of transfers for them going out, much

664
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: more so than coming in. I think, by the way,

665
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: the only Clemson transfer coming in at the time I saw,

666
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: I think was Hunter Johnson, who was already there and

667
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: didn't work out at quarterback for Northwestern. So yeah, so okay,

668
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: so we're talking South Florida. South Florida beat Florida A

669
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: and M and Temple.

670
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Their defense was pretty much the worst in the nation. Yep.

671
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: Quite literally, the worst at stopping the pass, just bad

672
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: all round. They were ninety ninth in pre season sp

673
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: plus they finished one ten, so not expected to be good.

674
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: They weren't good. Jeff Scott, you mentioned Jeff Scott. We

675
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: were joking around before. I was joking around before because

676
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm fourteen. Like that that Charlie Strong left Jeff Scott

677
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: an upper decker on his way out.

678
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: That's what it seems like. Yeah, here's what I can

679
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: tell you. Yeah, so you're absolutely right. It was weird

680
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 2: top seed Turvy results. They lose by thirty one to Tulane,

681
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: but also score forty two and lose by twelve to

682
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: a good Houston team. They ran the ball decently well

683
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: at times with the Colorado transfer Jaron Mangum, they may

684
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: have been the worst tackling team in the country. Like,

685
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what word I should use, but it

686
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: was real rough watching Bowl football last year and the

687
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: very little I did. So they make changes at coordinator.

688
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: It's Travis Trickett coming in from West Virginia, their tight

689
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: ends coach, and Bob shop who I mean, he's been

690
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: everywhere at this point, but you assume that he can

691
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: get them to some level of respectability on defense, especially

692
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: provided how hard they hit that transfer portal. Basically all

693
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: of their transfers, by the way, come from Power five schools,

694
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: So given the number of prospects that come from the

695
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: state of Florida, it's not all that surprising that there

696
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: is an appeal to return to the state, to go

697
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: to Tampa, to go to a place that has developed

698
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: NFL players, that there still are some names there, and

699
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: that Jeff Scott can say, look, this is what I

700
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: did at Clemson, let me help you do it here

701
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: wearing some green so South Florida, I don't I mean

702
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: just I don't think they have the administrative support and

703
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: donor base to really consistently win eight nine games, but

704
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: they should be able to. Within the American they should

705
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: win more than they won last year.

706
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: Like this is.

707
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: It's not a bulletproof conference. The top of it is

708
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: very difficult, but they should be able to win more games.

709
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 2: The rosters should be more talented than most teams they're

710
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: playing against. So I am I'm optimistic that they can

711
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: become with time, because it's still going to take a

712
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: good amount of time to get this roster to a

713
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 2: decent place that they can also become again once again

714
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: a Bowl team.

715
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: I am pretty excited about the whole island of misfit

716
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: toys Angle here because, as you said, there are a

717
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: bunch of transfers from other Power five programs.

718
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

719
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: I like the rag tag group Angle coming together, putting

720
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: this bolt in it together, duct tape and chicken wire,

721
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: try to get this program out of the doldrums, right.

722
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that happens, that might be a stretch.

723
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: But you know, we've talked about South Farida in the past.

724
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: South Florida's had a couple storied seasons, right, sure, So

725
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: to see that they've been a minute, it's been a minute,

726
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: but to see that they fall into these depths is

727
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: not something that brings me a whole lot of joy.

728
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: So no, yeah, it was.

729
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: It was Willie Taggart essentially get on the bus the

730
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: last time.

731
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: So that's yeah.

732
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen.

733
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were all younger and full of life twenty sixteen, okay.

734
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: But that was a fun team. That was the the

735
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: Gulf Coast offense, not the West Coast I think that's

736
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 2: what they called it, something like that. So it can happen.

737
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: You can win a ton of games in Tampa, and

738
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: so it's it. It's going to take Jeff Scott really

739
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: not just hitting the portal, but winning those battles, winning

740
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: those like higher level or mid tier three stars in

741
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: state against lower level Power five programs, which is what

742
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Willie Taggert was able to do when he was recruiting there.

743
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think South Florida can win for sure.

744
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: Next up, Next up.

745
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: This I had no idea where this city was within

746
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: this state. Turns out pretty close to Mexico.

747
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: Pretty close to Mexico. I mean it has to be

748
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: New Mexico State.

749
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: Right, it is New Mexico State. Yeah, Ty, you are

750
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: just on it today.

751
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this list, there's five teams like, I

752
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's Vanderbilt. I don't think it's very deep.

753
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing kind of like the math. Yeah, how close

754
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: is New Orleans to Mexico?

755
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: I but yeah, yeah, no, Las Cruses is pretty close

756
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: to Mexico, pretty close to El Paso actually, and the

757
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: food by the way, I looked on yelp Lost Cruses

758
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: food options looks terrific. Not in couch place.

759
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: So they've got Jerry Kill, right, So New Mexico State

760
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: hires Jerry Kill.

761
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: Things don't work out under Doug Martin, previous coach. And

762
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: it's just it's, man, I don't know if you can

763
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: win in New Mexico State because they they went to

764
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: a bowl game in twenty seventeen. I think they win

765
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: the Arizona Bowl. But it's uh, Man, I don't know.

766
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: Tony Sanchez is their receivers coach, former UNLV head coach.

767
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: They're all in on Tim Beck, but not the Tim Beck.

768
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a win that we talked about on

769
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: slack right.

770
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Former D two head coach Tim Beck at Pittsburgh State,

771
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: the Gorillas of Pittsburgh State D two school in Kansas.

772
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: He's running the offense. Was at TCU last year as

773
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: an analyst with Jerry Kill. And look, Jerry Kill is

774
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: one at numerous places. He has had a very odd career,

775
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: I would say, given like medical retirements on retirements with

776
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: what he's dealing with with epilepsy. But I don't know.

777
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: New Mexico State, I suppose could be frisky with the

778
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: right staff and right ability to recruit, you know, the

779
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: lower planes in Texas. It's just as an independent team

780
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: with weird year to year scheduling. They lost their actual

781
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: best player probably or the best offensive player. Juwan Price

782
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: transferred to Syracuse where obviously you remember, they actually ran

783
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: the ball quite well last year at times, so that

784
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: made sense for him. But tricky place to probably win

785
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: more than four or five games a year without getting

786
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: a couple of decent sized breaks.

787
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, we need to rewind. I'm still hung

788
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: up on Bizarro. Tim Beck double Tim Beck not an

789
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: unusual name, of course, no, but this Tim Back born

790
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four. The other Timback, the current offensive

791
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: coordinator for Encis State, the guy who had been at

792
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: Texas and Ohio State and whereas Nebraska, Kansas. He had

793
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: stints all across the country. He was born in nineteen

794
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: sixty six. The tim Beck that everybody else knows went

795
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: to k State. This tim Beck born in nineteen sixty

796
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: four is from the state of Kansas. So there's a

797
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: weird tim Beck thing going on in the water in

798
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Kansas that maybe somebody can look into. I don't know.

799
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: Tough place to win.

800
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: But tough place to win.

801
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, one of the only teams on this

802
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: list that improved ever so slightly on their preseason SP

803
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: plus projection because they'll see had them as one thirty.

804
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: They finished one twenty eight.

805
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, who finished won thirty? U Mass I assume

806
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: I did not look I have no idea I can

807
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: look that up.

808
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, they finished a little bit better. Otherwise, they

809
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: beat South Carolina State and U Mass Mess was one thirty.

810
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: By the way, they were one thirty, thank you. They

811
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: had to play San Diego State, Alabama and Kentucky.

812
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Tricky.

813
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: It's a little bit tricky, a little bit tricky. There

814
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: were some other teams on there there. Like you said,

815
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: independent scheduling, it's not not the easiest road here for

816
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: Jerry Kill. But I like Jerry Kill. And if you're

817
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: looking for a reason to root for the Aggies of

818
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: New Mexico State other than the food options that you

819
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top, Jerry Kill is a likable guy.

820
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: He's a likable coach. He's been through some stuff, and

821
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: you liked to root for him to succeed. So that

822
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: is my takeaway for New Mexico State. I am not

823
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: at all that optimistic. Let's be real that this is

824
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: going to turn around, you know, in any great hurry.

825
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: But I like Jerry Kill, So let's root for New

826
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: Mexico State.

827
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be nice to see an independent team away

828
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: from it all. I haven't been to New Mexico in

829
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: a long time. You ever had hatch chilis?

830
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: No?

831
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: No, you ever seen how they're roasted? I hatched chilies,

832
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: a hatch chili. It's a specialty to New Mexico.

833
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: That sounds like a rare bird to me.

834
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: They're almost yeah, they're almost roasted, like one of those

835
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: turning bingo cages, like the fires underneath, and they keep

836
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: turning it so the chilies are keep turning over and over.

837
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: Love a good charred chili. I have nothing more to

838
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: add about New Mexico other than New Mexican food's delicious.

839
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: And some people are you know, green peppers, and some

840
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: people are red pepper people.

841
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: I've got one for you now, I'm ready. This was

842
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: not a good team, obviously given the theme of this game.

843
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: But this school had six losses by one score.

844
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: Six losses by one score from this list of teams,

845
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: I guess I'll go it's either two Lane or UNLV.

846
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: We'll go you and LV because I remember them jumping

847
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: out to leeds and losing in heartbreaking fashion. We'll go

848
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: with the run and rebels.

849
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: The UNLV beat New Mexico and beat Hawaii, and they

850
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: were not a good team. No, but you are correct.

851
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: They had six losses by one score or less. Eastern

852
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: Washington at Fresno. Fresno a bowl team at Utsa UTSA

853
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: a very good team. Also bowl team Utah State, another

854
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: bowl team, San Jose State just missed out on well

855
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: by the way, Utah State Jimmy Kimmel Bowl champion, Jimmy

856
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: Kimo Bowl champion. Excuse me, thank you for bringing that up.

857
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: And finally, San Diego State also a ball team, so

858
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: I think the case here if you're looking at this

859
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: and you're thinking Marcus Aroo two and ten, Okay, but

860
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: they were you know, like, I'm not going to say

861
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: they were an eyelash away from eight and four. That

862
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: would be a misrepresentation. But to say that if a

863
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: couple things go their way, they're not in this discussion,

864
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: that's not at all impractical. Like they were in a

865
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: lot of these games. They were also better than their

866
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: preseason sp plus project. Not by a lot, not by

867
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: a lot one two in the preseason one fifteen after

868
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: the Bulls. But I think I think at least if

869
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: you look at that slate of teams that they played,

870
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: knowing that they were close, that shows effort. That should

871
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: give you some optimism moving forward.

872
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe, no, Yeah, I think the answer is maybe

873
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: they're recruiting on a top five ish level within the

874
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: Mountain West. By it was a small class this past year,

875
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: but by average recruit rating they are somewhere. They're in

876
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: that top five area of the Mountain West, which makes sense, right,

877
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: They're they're central, they're close to California, They're close to

878
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: a number of recruiting hot spots on the West Coast

879
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 2: where you know, do you want to start pretty quickly

880
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: at UNLV or do you want to sit for three

881
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: years at CAL or something like that, And so I

882
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: could see it's a big city. The state of Nevada

883
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: is producing a number of better and better players. The

884
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: football is becoming bigger and bigger in the state. They

885
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: have a quarterback of the future from in state who

886
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: is something like the fiftieth best quarterback in this class,

887
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: so it's that's pretty good. And Harrison Bailey, I believe,

888
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: transferred in from Tennessee, a former highly regarded quarterback, so

889
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: perhaps he provides an answer to a question that they're

890
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: still looking to address, which is quarterback, which was kind

891
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: of a disaster. So I anticipate UNLV to be an

892
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: interesting team for transfer, as an interesting team on the

893
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: recruiting trail, and there's a lot of we'll see because

894
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: they fall squarely under your I forget if you like

895
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: frisky or feisty, but they fall under that. They played hard,

896
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: and they do have an assistant coach. I don't know,

897
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: if you looked at their staff, tie, they do have

898
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: an assistant coach who is about to make you feel

899
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: old because he's already a position coach. At a Mountain

900
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: West school. Nate Longshore is the tight ends coach for UNLV.

901
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: So former Cal quarterback Wow squarely in there.

902
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, is if Charlie wise Junior didn't make me feel old, well,

903
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: he's exceedingly young. Two.

904
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: I don't even if you know is he thirty yet?

905
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: Charlie Weist Junior, I don't think so. Yeah, you can

906
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: be eighteen for all I know. Oh my gosh, yep. Okay,

907
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: there you go. That's that's your UNLV running ReBs.

908
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Okay, of these three teams left,

909
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: this is clearly the team that has the most promising

910
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: quarterback and running back duo.

911
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: So we're talking Tulane, Kansas, and Vanderbilt. Yeah, I'll say Kansas.

912
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: Kansas is right. Jalen Daniels, Devin Neil. Jalen Daniels freshman

913
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: or young player, didn't start the season. Devin Neil definitely

914
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: a freshman, didn't start the season as well as a starter.

915
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: Both of these guys didn't. But Kansas showed something I

916
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: think to everybody, but especially in the Big Twelve, with

917
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: how they finished out the year beating Texas, going back

918
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: and forth with TCU in the second half before losing

919
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: that game, giving West Virginia good amount to handle that,

920
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: especially given to the depths to which Kansas was just

921
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: operating as a football program, especially you know, of the

922
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: last two guys and David Batty and Les Miles that

923
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: to show fight at the end of the season. Now, look,

924
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: TCU and West Virginia were not in good places as

925
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: programs near the end of that season. But the main

926
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: the maintenance of focus from Kansas players. I think it

927
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: was Kyron Johnson, who was a force on defense off

928
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: the edge, and he just kind of popped at the

929
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. I believe the thing is about Lance Leopold,

930
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: given how late he came into the situation in Lawrence,

931
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: that Kansas is simply going to get better on the margins.

932
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: They're going to hit the portal hard. He's going to

933
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: evaluate the roster and encourage guys who are not going

934
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: to play to move on, which is, you know, kind

935
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: of an ugly part of the sport, but a reality.

936
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 2: And Kansas is going to They're going to have They're

937
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: going to be a well coached program. Talent acquisition is

938
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: still going to be very much an issue, but if

939
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: he gets assistance in there, continues to get assistance in

940
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: there who both in state and whether it's you know,

941
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: junior colleges, whatever. I think we're looking at a Kansas

942
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: program that will get to a point where they'll lose

943
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: to the best teams that they play and are going

944
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: to be able to take advantages, take advantage of programs

945
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: who have folded for the season or are inept at

946
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: a big thing like Kansas will get to a place

947
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: where I think they'll they'll receive an over under number,

948
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: a win total number that increasingly goes up, maybe slowly,

949
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: maybe it's three and a half to four, something like that.

950
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 2: But if they can build depth, I think Lance Leipold

951
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: is like that seasoned, grown up head coach that they've

952
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: been longing for.

953
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: What you're describing as sort of a homeless man's Baylor.

954
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: You're describing a team that's just solid enough to get

955
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: the job done against teams they should be.

956
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know how many there are. We

957
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: have transfers coming in from Ohio State. I say we

958
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: as a Kansas diehard Ohio State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Michigan State,

959
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: and I don't know if any of those guys are

960
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: actual difference makers, but They've been around big programs, and

961
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: I think the talent floor is rising at Kansas.

962
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Last season they beat South Dakota and Texas correct which

963
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: class at combo, which probably says more about Texas than

964
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: it does about Kansas. But they were the only two

965
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: to ten team in this group to beat a power

966
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: five team. It was a big deal. It was fifty

967
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: seven to fifty six. It was a wild game, yep,

968
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: but got the dub. Nonetheless, the other thing again that

969
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: I look at when we're talking about these teams that

970
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: lost double digits, how did they fare against some of

971
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: the best teams on their schedule. They lost to Oklahoma

972
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: by twelve. Now, Oklahoma was in a weird place this year, granted,

973
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: but Oklahoma should wipe the floor with Kansas. That should

974
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: not have been a twelve point.

975
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: Game, ten nothing at halftime, I believe, Yeah, rock shock. Yeah.

976
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: I remember texting back and forth about that one, like, uh,

977
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: do we need to watch the second half here? Yeah?

978
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Lost to TCU by three. TCU also in a weird spot.

979
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But again that shows a level of effort.

980
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: West Virginia by six. West Virginia not a world beater,

981
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: but should have beaten Kansas by more than six. So

982
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I look at this team.

983
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a fan of Landslide Pole. Of course,

984
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: I loved when Buffalo hired him. I was hopeful that

985
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: he would get a Power five job. I'm glad that

986
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: he did. I'm very curious to see what he can

987
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: do in a spot like Kansas. I agree. I think

988
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: the floor will be ever so gradually raised on this program.

989
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: And if anybody, if anybody, is going to get them

990
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: to a spot where the town is being maximized and

991
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: they just play fundamentally sound and are solid enough to

992
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: get back to maybe like some level of bowl aptitude

993
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: in the next couple seasons. It's a guy like Lancelipold

994
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: that's going to get him there. Do you think they

995
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: could ascend to Sandwich squad? Sandwich squad?

996
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: What's that that they would be? They would become a

997
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: quintessential Big twelve letdown look ahead Sandwich.

998
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't know about quintessential, but they beat Texas, they

999
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: were close against Oklahoma for a while.

1000
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So right there with West Virginia and TCU, two

1001
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: flawed teams, one of whom decided to part ways with

1002
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: their head coach, longtime head coach.

1003
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: Who's to say they can? I mean, clearly, Kansas is

1004
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: not a program that is going to be circled in

1005
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: any of these schedules. So yeah, they're always a risk

1006
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: as a look ahead, as a letdown. Yeah, I think

1007
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: I am optimistic that there are probably more Texas like

1008
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: wins in this program in your future. Not saying it

1009
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: will be against Texas, but right, yeah, sure, why not?

1010
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: Will people stop knitting atop the stadium? Can't say for sure,

1011
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: can't say, okay, you just can't stay for can't say

1012
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: for sure.

1013
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: Because knitting is it's a it's a nice, respectable pastime

1014
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: that helps you pass the time, because that's what a

1015
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: pastime is, I suppose. Yeah, I'm not promising that it's

1016
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: a really nice way to sort of zone out and

1017
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: just concentrate. Final two teams here, Okay, this team is

1018
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: looking to the D two ranks to help fill out

1019
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: the staff and make the needed dramatic changes on offense.

1020
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: Is this Toulane?

1021
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: It is Tulane?

1022
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: It is Tulane was much worse than expected. Yes, preseason

1023
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: fifty fifth. After the bowl games, they finished eighty ninth.

1024
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: They beat only Morgan State and South Florida another team

1025
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: that we discussed earlier going to the D two ranks

1026
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: sort of low key brilliant. I love that move.

1027
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's pluses and minuses continue.

1028
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: I just love the move. I love the fact that

1029
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: you went to and ten. You know you need to

1030
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: change some stuff up, you know, at a place like

1031
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: two Lane, which you know Two Lanes had some pretty

1032
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: good seasons. You just know that one way that you

1033
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: can maybe go against the grain and be a little

1034
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: bit different is to go into the D two ranks.

1035
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: I love it, right, I love it. High risk, high reward.

1036
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: So you go to the D two ranks because you

1037
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: believe you can get pure coaching and you find these minds,

1038
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: These are head coaches that Willy Fritz brings in too.

1039
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: I think it was fill out the offensive coordinator role

1040
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: in a receivers coach role. Also, it could mean you

1041
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: had difficulty looking at FBS assistants and making those highers.

1042
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: Now Willy Fritz himself, I believe has experience on the

1043
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: D two level. And the other concern, of course, is recruiting.

1044
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: It's just a whole different ballgame when you're going down

1045
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: a couple steps like that. That were you're not just

1046
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: going to the FCS ranks, but you go on D two.

1047
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: So it's just it's it's a different experience. Weird season.

1048
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: They were displaced by Hurricane Ida. I believe that was

1049
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: the hurricane that had them move their Oklahoma game to Norman,

1050
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: in which they came back and kind of gave Oklahoma

1051
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: a decent sized scare. And so I think there was

1052
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: there was hope that Michael Pratt and the Green Wave

1053
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: could be a force in the American and they just weren't.

1054
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: They just were not last year. And you know, Michael

1055
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: Pratt is hurt, and just the passing game wasn't there.

1056
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: They I don't know. They made changes along both lines,

1057
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: and you mentioned recent success, especially on defense up frying.

1058
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: Patrick Johnson was a force if you remember two three

1059
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: years ago, and so I think they can get back

1060
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: to that place. And Tulane, certainly, given the talent in

1061
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: state in Louisiana, could be an interesting destination in the

1062
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: portal for a number of guys looking around. But yeah,

1063
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm not there with Tulane in terms of dramatic improvement

1064
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: right now. I'm just not there.

1065
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: So I'm looking back at my preview because I did

1066
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: the two lane preview from last season. They had gone

1067
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: six and six in twenty twenty and they were fairly

1068
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: solid across the board. One of the things that we

1069
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: called out is that they gave up a ton of

1070
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: big plays yep, and all things passing were an achilles

1071
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: heel for the Green Wave YEP. The other thing that

1072
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: was not helpful for Tulane was the fact that they

1073
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: played an absolutely brutal schedule. They did, yeh, brutal schedule.

1074
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: At the time that we did the preview, it was

1075
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: twentieth in the nation. I'm sure that came down a

1076
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: little bit, but probably not a whole lot, because Oklahoma

1077
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: opened up the year on the road against Ole Miss

1078
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: two weeks later. The best thing that you could say

1079
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: about their conference schedule is that they got Cincy at home,

1080
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: and they didn't really miss anybody, right, I didn't really

1081
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: miss anybody in the Americans. So you know, Vegas had

1082
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: the over under at five. It always felt optimistic that

1083
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: they would get there. If you were really optimistic, you

1084
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: could say seven and five. But we weren't really fool

1085
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: in anybody when we made that projection. I didn't make

1086
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: that as my projection I was on the under here,

1087
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: and maybe not quite to the two and ten level

1088
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: because we didn't really foresee the Michael Pratt thing him

1089
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: getting knocked out. But it was disappointing. But I guess

1090
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: entirely unexpected that they would come in underneath that, at

1091
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: least that five number.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and promising, by the way, promising quarterback running back too.

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00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say as promising as Jalen Daniels and Devin Neil,

1094
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: but Ty J. Spears had nice year. They busted some

1095
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: good runs and Willie Fritz obviously, with his background offensively,

1096
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: you would expect at least a decently robust offensive attack

1097
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: on the ground. But uh, yeah, we'll see that. I mean,

1098
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: the schedule can't get any trickier in terms of home

1099
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 2: road splits within the American traveling to SMU, you see,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was a different you see.

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Speaker 1: The team, but it's brutal.

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Speaker 2: But man, that the offense for stretches last year was

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00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: a very difficult watch.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, So there's there's reason for optimism, but

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00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's just got a Navy squint to see it.

1106
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: Man, it's really difficult to find the optimism with Vandy.

1107
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: It just and it might be an academic thing with

1108
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: like it's just going to be a more difficult transfer destination,

1109
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: which is how a number of these teams can pull

1110
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: themselves out with talent infusion, and Vanderbilt like just isn't

1111
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: that program. So there are three quarterbacks coming in in

1112
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: this class, so as you like to say, a number

1113
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: of at the Apple. But I man, I'm not six

1114
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: bowls by the way, since two thousand and eight, two

1115
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: of whom two of which were under Derek Mason. But

1116
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: as we talked about in the beginning of the show,

1117
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: they just lose their defensive coordinator to Michigan Jesse Minter.

1118
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: They were just a disaster all over the field in

1119
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: Clark Lee's opening stanza. And it's difficult unless this is

1120
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Speaker 2: an especially talented self scouting staff. Well, those are some messes.

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: That's some alliteration.

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this is how we're adjusting things on offense.

1123
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: This is how we're adjusting things on defense. We're moving

1124
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: this defensive tackle to left guard. That like it's just

1125
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Speaker 2: going to be a complete overhaul in terms of the

1126
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: way this program is run from year one to year two.

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01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, I these two and ten programs. If

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01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: they're going to go to bowl games, they're going to

1129
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: need to find quarterbacks quickly, and it's it's pretty tricky

1130
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: in seeing what Vanderbilt's roster looks like with you know,

1131
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: Ken Seals and Ken Seals Chevrolet doesn't work out last year.

1132
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1133
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: It's not obvious to me how Vanderbilt turns around this

1134
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: this aircraft carrier.

1135
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: The The part that I struggle with with respect to

1136
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: Vandy is I really like clark Lee. Clark Lee really

1137
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: likes Vanderbilt. Clark Lee really wanted that job, so I

1138
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: don't think it's a situation where he's going to be

1139
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: on any kind of short leash. I think they're happy

1140
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: to have a guy like clark Lee there. But it's

1141
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: hard for me to separate out how I feel just

1142
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: as a fan about clark Lee in the time that

1143
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: he was at Notre Dame. He's a likable guy, He's

1144
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: clearly a brilliant football mind. It's tough for me to

1145
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: separate that out from the fact that it really just

1146
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: does not feel like there's an easy path forward here.

1147
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: I want him to succeed in the worst way. I'm

1148
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know how he does. I don't

1149
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: know what that plan looks like. That is going to

1150
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: take advantage of the SEC East, maybe the weaker half

1151
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: of the SEC Conference, but in and of itself it

1152
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: is getting better too. So I'm I don't know. Like

1153
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: last season, beat Colorado State, beat Yukon, lost by one

1154
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: to South Carolina, had a shot against missoo right, nothing

1155
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: else was really close. It's not like there are obvious

1156
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: wins each and every year for this Vandy squad. They're

1157
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: really gonna have to scrape and claw and maximize talent

1158
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: to the best of their ability, get fundamentally sound to

1159
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: the best of their ability to have a shot. But

1160
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: even then it's such an uphill climb even to five

1161
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: and seven, to eight and four or four and eight.

1162
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Like it's just not obvious how that happens.

1163
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: So Derek Mason did a good job of identifying solid

1164
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: defensive players and Vandy head stretches of playing really good

1165
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: defense under Derek Mason, So I expect something similar with

1166
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: Clark Lee, given his background and his ability to recruit

1167
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: and lean on his time at Note, It's going to

1168
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: come down to look, Vanderbilt's found decent guys at quarterback

1169
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: the last I don't know eight ten years. You look

1170
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: at Kyle Shermer and Jordan Rodgers, right, Jordan Rodgers was Vandy,

1171
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: so they can those guys can be found. They're in

1172
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: a a talent rich part of the country, in a

1173
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: in an attractive city to attend college in. Yeah, skilled talent.

1174
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: Defensive line is going to be tricky. And again, it's

1175
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: just difficult when you are this down to lack a

1176
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: similar ability to hit the portal because of academics that

1177
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: it's just it's going to hold you back a bit.

1178
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: That said, I'm still once again, I'll circle back. I'm

1179
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: confident Clark Lee and this staff. I think he's going

1180
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 2: to hire smart coaches, smart evaluators. Obviously, you know Barton

1181
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: Simmons is helping to run that recruiting department in personnel department,

1182
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: like they're going to identify interesting three stars that they

1183
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: feel like can develop into sec honorable mention type players.

1184
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: And that's the hope that he'll get the time and

1185
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: it's the identification and evaluation and development that it's just

1186
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: just going to take time. It's just harder and harder,

1187
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: Like it's not enough tough job. It isn't obvious. It's

1188
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: just it's just difficult, tough job.

1189
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, that does it again? You're two and

1190
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Speaker 1: ten teams here. That went the thing that everybody was

1191
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: clamoring for. We had so many requests to talk about this.

1192
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: On February the second, we had Arkansas State and Akron.

1193
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: We had Kansas South, Florida, Tulane, Indiana, New Mexico State, UNLV,

1194
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Speaker 1: and Vandy. Yeah.

1195
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Speaker 2: I mean, look the inboxes. We had to buy more

1196
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Speaker 2: storage space because we were receiving so many emails requesting

1197
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Speaker 2: that we had to upgrade the discuss small down programs. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's all.

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Speaker 1: the website that I see all the time when I

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Speaker 1: log onto Facebook in the morning. College Football World reacts

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Speaker 1: to Lincoln Riley comment. We could go something like that

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Speaker 1: might get a couple extra clicks. I love that.

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