WEBVTT - HBCUs and Recent Violence Around our Homecomings | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Natively and pot is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Resent Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>At six two Sea's face a slew of chargers for

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night shooting right near Howard University during homecoming weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Five people were injured, including a thirteen year old boy.

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<v Speaker 1>We're told all the victims are expected to recover. DC

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<v Speaker 1>police have arrested nineteen year old has Seen Parker and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen year old Julie Suburr On Friday. Howard says, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>from the university was involved in that shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you just saw was a clip from one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most recent HBCU shootings that we've had. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is my first mini pod here on Native Land.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations man, and I'm glad you took my call this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, listen, you know you're already doing better than me.

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<v Speaker 3>You actually got this, guesshe many came in. No.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had this idea because you were an SGA president.

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<v Speaker 2>I was an SJA president, but you have this experience

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<v Speaker 2>of being a mayor. I was in the state legislature.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I wanted to talk talk about. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>recently at Alcorn State, most recently at Howard University, at

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson State, at South Carolina State, right near my home.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had this rash of violence surrounding you know, our

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<v Speaker 2>our culminating events, for lack of a better term, our homecomings.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have Howard's Homecoming, you have GHO, you

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<v Speaker 2>have spell House.

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<v Speaker 4>You have whatever you got. You don't try it. But

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<v Speaker 4>whatever whatever you are, don't try it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I wanted to talk about how we make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that because I want my kids one day to

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<v Speaker 2>go to an HPCA, and you know, how do we

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that those institutions are safe? How do we

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<v Speaker 2>control the media narrative around these shootings? And Uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing is the only one of the things, not

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing, but one of the things that can

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<v Speaker 2>be most devastating to historically black colleges is if this

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<v Speaker 2>becomes this perception becomes a reality in people's minds, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it becomes a din in there enrollment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, that's that's for real. And I asked you,

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<v Speaker 3>but Carr believe that that latter piece you just pay

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<v Speaker 3>up on impacting the enrollment of these institutions for some people,

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<v Speaker 3>that is the plan right to make the image such

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<v Speaker 3>that people associate with an HBCU violence, not academic achievement

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<v Speaker 3>and chain breaking and upput mobility. I got to say,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really of two minds about these events, particularly the

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<v Speaker 3>ones that we hear broadcasts out local, state, nationwide, when

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<v Speaker 3>it has to do with a historically black college and university.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason I moved with two Minsbaccard is because I

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<v Speaker 3>was an SJA president. I remember as an SJA president

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<v Speaker 3>having to negotiate with the local law enforcement around what

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<v Speaker 3>would law enforcement presidents look like at the mall, what

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<v Speaker 3>is the exit plan after the game?

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<v Speaker 4>And are all.

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<v Speaker 3>Streets going to be closed down? Or what we have

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<v Speaker 3>some conveniences like Florida State University does when it has

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<v Speaker 3>its games four five times larger in population than ours.

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<v Speaker 3>So I remember as a student activist trying to negotiate

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<v Speaker 3>that space. Then I became mayor and people were discussing

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<v Speaker 3>and negotiating that space with me. From my standpoint at

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<v Speaker 3>that point, my only goal is safety, security, that people

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<v Speaker 3>move in this space without feeling threatened to their life,

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<v Speaker 3>to their bodies, to themselves, to their family, their loved ones.

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<v Speaker 4>And I got to.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell you my biggest frustration, particularly as mayor, was anytime

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<v Speaker 3>there was a violent event that occurred during fam Use

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<v Speaker 3>homecoming in the city near the campus or away from

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<v Speaker 3>it was always broadcast as during fam Use homecoming it

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<v Speaker 3>was a stabbing during fam Use homecoming. Now, if a

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<v Speaker 3>similar event happened and I had the ability to have

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<v Speaker 3>a PWI in an HBCU both state schools in the

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<v Speaker 3>same city, if an incident happened that was violent during

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<v Speaker 3>a Florida State game or Florida State homecoming, it was

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<v Speaker 3>never introduced into the news. As there was a violent

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<v Speaker 3>event at Florida State University's football game this weekend. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's deliberate intention in my opinion, and then there's what's real,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think we have.

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<v Speaker 4>To deal with both.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the way I look at it is from

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<v Speaker 2>an SGA perspective, because hopefully some SJA presidents and people

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<v Speaker 2>who want to be in student body are watching this

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<v Speaker 2>as well. You have to make sure you have to

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<v Speaker 2>begin to think of both minds as well, because one

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<v Speaker 2>of your number one priorities is not just having the

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<v Speaker 2>best homecoming people remember or the best step show is.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, you have to make sure people are safe

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the things that I've learned from examining

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<v Speaker 2>each of these incidents, as much of the activity comes

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<v Speaker 2>from people who are not students, of course, and not

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<v Speaker 2>alums of course. Not right, And you know, it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of goes back to this age o adage that most HBCUs,

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<v Speaker 2>you hear it all the time, most HBCUs are in

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<v Speaker 2>some of our forsaken areas in the black communities, right

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<v Speaker 2>save for Hampton by design, save for Hampton University. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do think we have to think about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that it takes people having some foresight envision

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<v Speaker 2>college presidents because sometimes they want to think they're on

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<v Speaker 2>their own SGA presidents, mayors of your local cities, and

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement officers. Somebody who did it right recently, although

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't necessarily in HBCU in their city was Randall

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<v Speaker 2>Woofin Rando had the Magic City Classic in Birmingham, went

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<v Speaker 2>off without a hitch. He has a great police chief.

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<v Speaker 2>He worked with both college presidents, both school's campus police,

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<v Speaker 2>and then went off without a hitch. And so the

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<v Speaker 2>question is, I mean, do you so I oppose it

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<v Speaker 2>to you? Do you as do you make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>others can't access your campus. Do you do you fortify

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<v Speaker 2>your campus? Do you increase law enforcement? You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>of the mind that I think that there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be some process whereby only those people that are participating

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<v Speaker 2>in homecoming events or football games can come into those

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<v Speaker 2>spaces those people who want to tailgate. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a ticketing process, and I'm not I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how I feel about an increased police presence. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think the state state law enforcement. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in South Carolina, we have our South Carolina State Troopers.

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<v Speaker 2>They do the same thing at Clemson and South Carolina State.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, excuse me, Clemson at Universe South Carolina on

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<v Speaker 2>game days need to be monitoring traffic and making sure

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<v Speaker 2>there's no standstill. And I think that we need the

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<v Speaker 2>same resources that they distribute to the pwis at our HBCUs.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would say beca the first. Let me say

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<v Speaker 3>HBCUs in most places are the one center of higher

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<v Speaker 3>education learning where whether if you attended or you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>correct as a young black person growing up in that state,

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<v Speaker 3>or in that city or in that community. I know

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<v Speaker 3>for us in Florida, family was everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I used to break into the gym before

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<v Speaker 2>he's college and there you go there.

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<v Speaker 3>So these are the fabled institutions where all people could gather,

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<v Speaker 3>whoever you were, wherever you came from, which your family did,

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<v Speaker 3>which your mom and daddy.

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<v Speaker 4>Did, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>So our HBCU homecomings have real special definition, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think differently than pwis or any really other right, So

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<v Speaker 3>because of that, it is the center of gravity. It

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<v Speaker 3>is where people come to gather from Miami to Jacksonville

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<v Speaker 3>to Atlanta. If you were in driving distancing, you know

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<v Speaker 3>fun is about to be had. You're about to see

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<v Speaker 3>some stuff you ain't seen before, running into some type

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<v Speaker 3>of people you don't usually run with. It attracts people.

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<v Speaker 3>But guess what most of our cities want to attract

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<v Speaker 3>people to them. The difference is is that we then

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<v Speaker 3>apply a whole entirely new and different to what safety

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<v Speaker 3>and security looks like once we get those folks coming

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<v Speaker 3>into our communities. So what I would say this is

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<v Speaker 3>when you're talking about a traffic plant management plan you

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<v Speaker 3>know run by the city, or you're talking about surveillance

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<v Speaker 3>around the stadium, or you're talking about your local attractions.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the mall and what that would look like.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point it became pretty obvious that a decision

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<v Speaker 3>was made not to treat people coming into our communities

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<v Speaker 3>for homecomings and for big games like that as normal,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, fun loving, family oriented people who just want

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<v Speaker 3>to have a good time and have something to do.

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<v Speaker 3>We started erecting big as barricades at the malls so

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<v Speaker 3>the first floor and the second floor couldn't see each other,

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<v Speaker 3>you couldn't throw anything over, or god forbid, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>look over and make a sound. So instead of looking

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<v Speaker 3>like a welcoming retail establishment, it looks like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of mild capacity detention center.

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<v Speaker 4>But what do you tell to them?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm in this kind of both worlds because I

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<v Speaker 2>have a twenty year old that goes to Howard University. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just had a rash of shootings at Howard

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't necessarily around Howard, But it's to your first point,

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<v Speaker 2>it's attributed to So how do you how do you

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<v Speaker 2>what do we tell parents that that can help ensure

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<v Speaker 2>them or give them confidence which I will be safe.

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<v Speaker 4>I will just say this.

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<v Speaker 3>Most at one interrogate whether or not it's a real

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<v Speaker 3>thing that your chism dangerous way by attending the game

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<v Speaker 3>or being at that university.

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<v Speaker 2>Period and nine times out of ten, actually ten times

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<v Speaker 2>out attend. The answer is not, yeah, this happens when

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<v Speaker 2>the sun goes down.

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<v Speaker 4>What I say I.

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<v Speaker 3>Learned both as a stually president of student activist, but

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<v Speaker 3>mostly as the mayor, was the instances that were occurring

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<v Speaker 3>weren't random incidences of violence. They largely were associated. For instance,

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<v Speaker 3>we have somebody come up to famous homecoming, Oh come

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<v Speaker 3>up to the Miami game and shot somebody at the

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<v Speaker 3>exit the first exit entering the city that they had

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<v Speaker 3>clearly exited the highway. It was a targeted shooting. I

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<v Speaker 3>read in the paper immediately like, Okay, clearly this nobody

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come here and just randomly decides to shoot someone

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<v Speaker 3>off the exit ramp. No, this is a target.

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<v Speaker 4>It hit.

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<v Speaker 3>And so my argument will be in most these situations,

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<v Speaker 3>these are people who have trafficked to a place to

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<v Speaker 3>probably again traffic in illegal activity in the bullshit exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>And what happens if they run up on their score

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<v Speaker 3>opponent where they from and now nobody have their squad,

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<v Speaker 3>but you have an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that's separate that that differentiates, to

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<v Speaker 2>your point, kind of gives credits to your point, HBCUs,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the ones we went to from some of these

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<v Speaker 2>institutions of pwis that don't get the same glare or

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<v Speaker 2>lens is that we're dry campuses for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>A true, and so you don't have the free flow

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<v Speaker 2>of alcohol people are drinking at their tailgate, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere near I don't know if anybody's ever been to

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<v Speaker 2>a universe South Carolina University of Georgia tailgate.

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<v Speaker 3>The most unsafe I've ever felt have been at some

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<v Speaker 3>of those tailgates, except that the law enforcement who's patrolling

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of those places share a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think let me just say, but I

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<v Speaker 2>will this goes back to my other point, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we have a little bit of a of a

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<v Speaker 2>of a disagreement here, if not just a little rub.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a heavy law enforcement present out presence out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, to your credit and to your point,

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<v Speaker 2>if if those law enforcement officers are willing to treat

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<v Speaker 2>HBCU homecoming participants with the same dignity that they treat

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<v Speaker 2>the participants that these pwi's, then I think that increased law.

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<v Speaker 3>Enforcements this argument, I would would necessarily, if you were

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<v Speaker 3>designing the road traffic plan, consider that you might be

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<v Speaker 3>one of the people who attended the game and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>just trying to get back to your hotel. Correct, But

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<v Speaker 3>when you've rerouted us an hour out of the way

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<v Speaker 3>just to make sure that the left and the right

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<v Speaker 3>going traffic now or in a sex that doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make any sense, and it also is highly

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<v Speaker 3>inconvenient and can create I think hot tempers, right, because

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<v Speaker 3>when I leave FSU's game or whatever the artists, it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like it's built for us to just move traffic

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<v Speaker 3>and to do so to get these folks out of

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<v Speaker 3>there as quickly as possible. So so what I would

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<v Speaker 3>suggest for the law enforcement for those communities treat them

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<v Speaker 3>as if you were one of the patrons yourself. Treat

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<v Speaker 3>it as if you were going to be Then what

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<v Speaker 3>kind of experience with you like, because that's really what

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<v Speaker 3>people want. If you're a student activist, know that the

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<v Speaker 3>people who are coming there, they want to feel safe too.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't want to get jacked, they don't want to see,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, gun violence.

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<v Speaker 4>At the end of the day, and that's not what

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<v Speaker 4>we know that's not what.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't what we know in it outright undermines And I

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<v Speaker 3>think devalues the experience of the students and the family

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<v Speaker 3>who are working. You know, you know seven out of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, seven out of seven days are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get their degree. We give some grace there, we both

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<v Speaker 3>have been there, right, but generally they're there for a reason,

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<v Speaker 3>get your degree, get out, make it better for somebody else.

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<v Speaker 3>So when we devalue these experiences, and when you devalue

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<v Speaker 3>these institutions by associating violence that occurs while an event,

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<v Speaker 3>another unrelated event is going on and making the two

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<v Speaker 3>to one is one not good journalism, but two, it

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<v Speaker 3>does a tremendous disservice to these institutions. And then finally,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just say on this Bikari, I think when you

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<v Speaker 3>treat people like they are a caged bird, and a

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<v Speaker 3>bird has only known freedom, they're going to want to

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<v Speaker 3>feel free. So if you pull a military style lockdown

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<v Speaker 3>on a place during a festive event, know that you

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<v Speaker 3>are going counter to what people are expecting when they

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<v Speaker 3>spend money.

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<v Speaker 2>And these institutions look to these homecoming events as an

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<v Speaker 2>economic as an economic.

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<v Speaker 3>Catalyst, so to the cities by the way, Oh that's true.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I don't think we want to say them

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<v Speaker 4>down on anything.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, but I do want to give a condolence

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<v Speaker 2>to I know there's one student at least who lost

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<v Speaker 2>their lives that was at South Carolina State. I think

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<v Speaker 2>other individuals who may have lost their lives were not students,

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<v Speaker 2>but still deserve the same respect. I hope Alcorn and

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson and State and Howard, and I believe Lincoln University

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<v Speaker 2>can all bounce back.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope their presidents are clear out about it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they think through it, and I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>they work with their local officials and mayors and chiefs

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<v Speaker 2>of police to ensure that you can have that that

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<v Speaker 2>fun for lack of a better term, and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>everybody feel safe.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think they can do it, so long as

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<v Speaker 3>we see each other's humanity right and see what we hear.

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<v Speaker 4>We have in comment. I've go to a football game.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to have a good time. Don't want the

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<v Speaker 3>law to be uphill, but but I'm not arresting everybody

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<v Speaker 3>who I see drinking in public because everybody would be

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<v Speaker 3>in jail.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yeah, Yeah, so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I just this was on my heart for about twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>so I wanted to make sure we can have this conversation.

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