1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Natively and pot is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: At six two Sea's face a slew of chargers for 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Friday night shooting right near Howard University during homecoming weekend. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Five people were injured, including a thirteen year old boy. 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: We're told all the victims are expected to recover. DC 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: police have arrested nineteen year old has Seen Parker and 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: nineteen year old Julie Suburr On Friday. Howard says, nobody 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: from the university was involved in that shooting. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: And what you just saw was a clip from one 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: of the most recent HBCU shootings that we've had. And 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: this is my first mini pod here on Native Land. 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: Congratulations man, and I'm glad you took my call this week. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: Hey, listen, you know you're already doing better than me. 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: You actually got this, guesshe many came in. No. 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: I just had this idea because you were an SGA president. 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: I was an SJA president, but you have this experience 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: of being a mayor. I was in the state legislature. 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: So what I wanted to talk talk about. It's just 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: recently at Alcorn State, most recently at Howard University, at 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,639 Speaker 2: Jackson State, at South Carolina State, right near my home. 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: We've had this rash of violence surrounding you know, our 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: our culminating events, for lack of a better term, our homecomings. 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: You know, you have Howard's Homecoming, you have GHO, you 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: have spell House. 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: You have whatever you got. You don't try it. But 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: whatever whatever you are, don't try it anyway. 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: But but I wanted to talk about how we make 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: sure that because I want my kids one day to 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: go to an HPCA, and you know, how do we 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: make sure that those institutions are safe? How do we 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: control the media narrative around these shootings? And Uh, the 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: other thing is the only one of the things, not 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: the only thing, but one of the things that can 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: be most devastating to historically black colleges is if this 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: becomes this perception becomes a reality in people's minds, and 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: then it becomes a din in there enrollment. 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah no, that's that's for real. And I asked you, 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: but Carr believe that that latter piece you just pay 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: up on impacting the enrollment of these institutions for some people, 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: that is the plan right to make the image such 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: that people associate with an HBCU violence, not academic achievement 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: and chain breaking and upput mobility. I got to say, 44 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: I'm really of two minds about these events, particularly the 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: ones that we hear broadcasts out local, state, nationwide, when 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 3: it has to do with a historically black college and university. 47 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: The reason I moved with two Minsbaccard is because I 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: was an SJA president. I remember as an SJA president 49 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: having to negotiate with the local law enforcement around what 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: would law enforcement presidents look like at the mall, what 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: is the exit plan after the game? 52 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 4: And are all. 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: Streets going to be closed down? Or what we have 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: some conveniences like Florida State University does when it has 55 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 3: its games four five times larger in population than ours. 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: So I remember as a student activist trying to negotiate 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: that space. Then I became mayor and people were discussing 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: and negotiating that space with me. From my standpoint at 59 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: that point, my only goal is safety, security, that people 60 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: move in this space without feeling threatened to their life, 61 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: to their bodies, to themselves, to their family, their loved ones. 62 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: And I got to. 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: Tell you my biggest frustration, particularly as mayor, was anytime 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: there was a violent event that occurred during fam Use 65 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: homecoming in the city near the campus or away from 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: it was always broadcast as during fam Use homecoming it 67 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: was a stabbing during fam Use homecoming. Now, if a 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: similar event happened and I had the ability to have 69 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: a PWI in an HBCU both state schools in the 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: same city, if an incident happened that was violent during 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: a Florida State game or Florida State homecoming, it was 72 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: never introduced into the news. As there was a violent 73 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: event at Florida State University's football game this weekend. So 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: there's deliberate intention in my opinion, and then there's what's real, 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: and I think we have. 76 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: To deal with both. 77 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the way I look at it is from 78 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: an SGA perspective, because hopefully some SJA presidents and people 79 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: who want to be in student body are watching this 80 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: as well. You have to make sure you have to 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: begin to think of both minds as well, because one 82 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: of your number one priorities is not just having the 83 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: best homecoming people remember or the best step show is. 84 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: Right now, you have to make sure people are safe 85 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: and one of the things that I've learned from examining 86 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: each of these incidents, as much of the activity comes 87 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: from people who are not students, of course, and not 88 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: alums of course. Not right, And you know, it kind 89 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: of goes back to this age o adage that most HBCUs, 90 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: you hear it all the time, most HBCUs are in 91 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: some of our forsaken areas in the black communities, right 92 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: save for Hampton by design, save for Hampton University. But 93 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: I do think we have to think about that. And 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: I think that it takes people having some foresight envision 95 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: college presidents because sometimes they want to think they're on 96 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: their own SGA presidents, mayors of your local cities, and 97 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: law enforcement officers. Somebody who did it right recently, although 98 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily in HBCU in their city was Randall 99 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: Woofin Rando had the Magic City Classic in Birmingham, went 100 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: off without a hitch. He has a great police chief. 101 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: He worked with both college presidents, both school's campus police, 102 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 2: and then went off without a hitch. And so the 103 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: question is, I mean, do you so I oppose it 104 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: to you? Do you as do you make sure that 105 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: others can't access your campus. Do you do you fortify 106 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: your campus? Do you increase law enforcement? You know, I'm 107 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: of the mind that I think that there has to 108 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: be some process whereby only those people that are participating 109 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: in homecoming events or football games can come into those 110 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: spaces those people who want to tailgate. I don't know 111 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: if it's a ticketing process, and I'm not I don't 112 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: know how I feel about an increased police presence. However, 113 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: I do think the state state law enforcement. You know, 114 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: in South Carolina, we have our South Carolina State Troopers. 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: They do the same thing at Clemson and South Carolina State. 116 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: I mean, excuse me, Clemson at Universe South Carolina on 117 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: game days need to be monitoring traffic and making sure 118 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: there's no standstill. And I think that we need the 119 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: same resources that they distribute to the pwis at our HBCUs. 120 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: So I would say beca the first. Let me say 121 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: HBCUs in most places are the one center of higher 122 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: education learning where whether if you attended or you didn't 123 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: correct as a young black person growing up in that state, 124 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: or in that city or in that community. I know 125 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: for us in Florida, family was everything. 126 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I used to break into the gym before 127 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: he's college and there you go there. 128 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: So these are the fabled institutions where all people could gather, 129 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: whoever you were, wherever you came from, which your family did, 130 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: which your mom and daddy. 131 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 4: Did, so on and so forth. 132 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: So our HBCU homecomings have real special definition, and I 133 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: think differently than pwis or any really other right, So 134 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: because of that, it is the center of gravity. It 135 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: is where people come to gather from Miami to Jacksonville 136 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: to Atlanta. If you were in driving distancing, you know 137 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: fun is about to be had. You're about to see 138 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: some stuff you ain't seen before, running into some type 139 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: of people you don't usually run with. It attracts people. 140 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: But guess what most of our cities want to attract 141 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: people to them. The difference is is that we then 142 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: apply a whole entirely new and different to what safety 143 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: and security looks like once we get those folks coming 144 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: into our communities. So what I would say this is 145 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: when you're talking about a traffic plant management plan you 146 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: know run by the city, or you're talking about surveillance 147 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: around the stadium, or you're talking about your local attractions. 148 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: Like the mall and what that would look like. 149 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: At some point it became pretty obvious that a decision 150 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: was made not to treat people coming into our communities 151 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: for homecomings and for big games like that as normal, 152 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: you know, fun loving, family oriented people who just want 153 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: to have a good time and have something to do. 154 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: We started erecting big as barricades at the malls so 155 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: the first floor and the second floor couldn't see each other, 156 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: you couldn't throw anything over, or god forbid, you couldn't 157 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: look over and make a sound. So instead of looking 158 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: like a welcoming retail establishment, it looks like, you know, 159 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: some sort of mild capacity detention center. 160 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: But what do you tell to them? 161 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: Like, I'm in this kind of both worlds because I 162 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: have a twenty year old that goes to Howard University. Yeah, 163 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: and you just had a rash of shootings at Howard 164 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: that didn't necessarily around Howard, But it's to your first point, 165 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: it's attributed to So how do you how do you 166 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: what do we tell parents that that can help ensure 167 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: them or give them confidence which I will be safe. 168 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: I will just say this. 169 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: Most at one interrogate whether or not it's a real 170 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: thing that your chism dangerous way by attending the game 171 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: or being at that university. 172 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: Period and nine times out of ten, actually ten times 173 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: out attend. The answer is not, yeah, this happens when 174 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: the sun goes down. 175 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 4: What I say I. 176 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: Learned both as a stually president of student activist, but 177 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: mostly as the mayor, was the instances that were occurring 178 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 3: weren't random incidences of violence. They largely were associated. For instance, 179 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: we have somebody come up to famous homecoming, Oh come 180 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: up to the Miami game and shot somebody at the 181 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: exit the first exit entering the city that they had 182 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: clearly exited the highway. It was a targeted shooting. I 183 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: read in the paper immediately like, Okay, clearly this nobody 184 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: didn't come here and just randomly decides to shoot someone 185 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: off the exit ramp. No, this is a target. 186 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 4: It hit. 187 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: And so my argument will be in most these situations, 188 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: these are people who have trafficked to a place to 189 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: probably again traffic in illegal activity in the bullshit exactly, 190 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: And what happens if they run up on their score 191 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: opponent where they from and now nobody have their squad, 192 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: but you have an opportunity. 193 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: And the other thing that's separate that that differentiates, to 194 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: your point, kind of gives credits to your point, HBCUs, 195 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 2: particularly the ones we went to from some of these 196 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: institutions of pwis that don't get the same glare or 197 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: lens is that we're dry campuses for the most part. 198 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: A true, and so you don't have the free flow 199 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: of alcohol people are drinking at their tailgate, but it's 200 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 2: nowhere near I don't know if anybody's ever been to 201 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 2: a universe South Carolina University of Georgia tailgate. 202 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: The most unsafe I've ever felt have been at some 203 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: of those tailgates, except that the law enforcement who's patrolling 204 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: a lot of those places share a lot. 205 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: But I do think let me just say, but I 206 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: will this goes back to my other point, and I 207 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: think we have a little bit of a of a 208 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: of a disagreement here, if not just a little rub. 209 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: There is a heavy law enforcement present out presence out there, 210 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: and I think, to your credit and to your point, 211 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: if if those law enforcement officers are willing to treat 212 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: HBCU homecoming participants with the same dignity that they treat 213 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: the participants that these pwi's, then I think that increased law. 214 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: Enforcements this argument, I would would necessarily, if you were 215 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: designing the road traffic plan, consider that you might be 216 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: one of the people who attended the game and maybe 217 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: just trying to get back to your hotel. Correct, But 218 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: when you've rerouted us an hour out of the way 219 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: just to make sure that the left and the right 220 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: going traffic now or in a sex that doesn't make sense. 221 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense, and it also is highly 222 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 3: inconvenient and can create I think hot tempers, right, because 223 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: when I leave FSU's game or whatever the artists, it 224 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: seems like it's built for us to just move traffic 225 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: and to do so to get these folks out of 226 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: there as quickly as possible. So so what I would 227 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: suggest for the law enforcement for those communities treat them 228 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: as if you were one of the patrons yourself. Treat 229 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: it as if you were going to be Then what 230 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: kind of experience with you like, because that's really what 231 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: people want. If you're a student activist, know that the 232 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: people who are coming there, they want to feel safe too. 233 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: They don't want to get jacked, they don't want to see, 234 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 3: you know, gun violence. 235 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, and that's not what 236 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: we know that's not what. 237 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: Isn't what we know in it outright undermines And I 238 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: think devalues the experience of the students and the family 239 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: who are working. You know, you know seven out of 240 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 3: you know, seven out of seven days are trying to 241 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 3: get their degree. We give some grace there, we both 242 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: have been there, right, but generally they're there for a reason, 243 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: get your degree, get out, make it better for somebody else. 244 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: So when we devalue these experiences, and when you devalue 245 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: these institutions by associating violence that occurs while an event, 246 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 3: another unrelated event is going on and making the two 247 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: to one is one not good journalism, but two, it 248 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 3: does a tremendous disservice to these institutions. And then finally, 249 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: I'll just say on this Bikari, I think when you 250 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: treat people like they are a caged bird, and a 251 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: bird has only known freedom, they're going to want to 252 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: feel free. So if you pull a military style lockdown 253 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: on a place during a festive event, know that you 254 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: are going counter to what people are expecting when they 255 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: spend money. 256 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: And these institutions look to these homecoming events as an 257 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: economic as an economic. 258 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: Catalyst, so to the cities by the way, Oh that's true. 259 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: And so I don't think we want to say them 260 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 4: down on anything. 261 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: That's right, but I do want to give a condolence 262 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: to I know there's one student at least who lost 263 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: their lives that was at South Carolina State. I think 264 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: other individuals who may have lost their lives were not students, 265 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: but still deserve the same respect. I hope Alcorn and 266 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: Jackson and State and Howard, and I believe Lincoln University 267 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: can all bounce back. 268 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: I hope their presidents are clear out about it. Yeah. 269 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: I hope they think through it, and I hope that 270 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: they work with their local officials and mayors and chiefs 271 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: of police to ensure that you can have that that 272 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: fun for lack of a better term, and make sure 273 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: everybody feel safe. 274 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: Well, I think they can do it, so long as 275 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: we see each other's humanity right and see what we hear. 276 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: We have in comment. I've go to a football game. 277 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 3: I want to have a good time. Don't want the 278 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: law to be uphill, but but I'm not arresting everybody 279 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 3: who I see drinking in public because everybody would be 280 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: in jail. 281 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, Yeah, so thank you. 282 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: I just this was on my heart for about twenty minutes, 283 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: so I wanted to make sure we can have this conversation. 284 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 4: We have twenty minutes worth. Come home. Welcome Home. 285 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: Native is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with Reason 286 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 287 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.