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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome to episode five thirty six with Matthew Ramsey,

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Speaker 2: lead singer of Old Dominion.

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Speaker 1: Really artsy guy.

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Speaker 2: Second time we've been able to sit with him for

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Speaker 2: We've been out on some of the same music festivals,

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Speaker 1: So really cool guy.

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Speaker 2: You know the fact that he went to college and

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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and we do reference his

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Speaker 2: he had a bad ATV accident, broke his pelvis, played shows.

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Speaker 1: On a like iess a throne, remember that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so really like him, really like them as a band.

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Speaker 2: They have a new record called Barbara that came out

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Speaker 2: August twenty second. They are out on tour right now

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Speaker 2: on the How Good is That World Tour? You go

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Speaker 2: to we Areoldominion dot com. They've won seven consecutive Cmas

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Speaker 2: for Vocal Group of the Year I think eight total.

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Speaker 2: They're crushing it. Check out we are Oldominion dot com.

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Speaker 2: And here is the episode with the lead singer of

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Speaker 2: Old Dominion, Matthew Ramsey. Hey, I'd like to start this

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Speaker 2: with little something I've I've started recently called pre show

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Speaker 2: chit chat. Well, we don't have anything to talk about.

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Speaker 1: How you been I've been good? I like that. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's let's force some small talk. Yeah yeah, I'm real

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Speaker 1: bad at small talk A little bit is this is

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Speaker 1: I actually just saw us a whole thing about small

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Speaker 2: Sure, like my friend Eddie excellent at small talk if

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Speaker 2: he's a Tom Brady of it, right, Like, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: How is traffic? And you're like, wow, this guy he's

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Speaker 1: That's quite the turn. Yeah, I like you? Do you

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Speaker 1: telling this story. Yeah, we got turned down by every

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00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: record label in this town multiple times. But at that

434
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: point we were fine with that because we were just

435
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: having fun and we were enjoying ourselves and our and

436
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: our manager at the time, he would kind of assemble

437
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: us at a lunch after we got rejected and be like, Okay, guys,

438
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: it's another no. What do you want to do? And

439
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: we were like, it's fine if if it's not for them,

440
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: that's fine. We're having a good time. So we just

441
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: kind of kept going. Now it helped that we were

442
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: having success as songwriters at that point, but you could eat, Yeah,

443
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: we could. We could at least do that. So what

444
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: was the idea behind you guys getting together as a band. Initially,

445
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: it just kind of randomly organically happened because I knew

446
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: what since I was in seventh grade. And then he

447
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: when he went to college, he was in a band

448
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: with Jeff and Brad was in that at that same college,

449
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: and they were all playing together and I was coming

450
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: up and opening shows for them, and you know, we

451
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: were friends. Then I moved to Nashville and I started

452
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: writing with Trevor. We were having all these songs I

453
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: couldn't afford. You know, I grew up in bands, and

454
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: even though I wasn't here to make it as an artist,

455
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: I still like playing my songs out, like playing bars,

456
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted to play. I wanted to

457
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: play these songs that I was writing, and so I

458
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: had buddies who would do it for free, and they

459
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 1: were good, and they were my favorite people and they

460
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: were my favorite musicians, and so they were like, yeah, sure,

461
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: we'll come play, and so we just started playing. And

462
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: then we realized, oh, well we could if we wanted to,

463
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: we could get in my van and drive to the

464
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: next state and make a little bit of money. And

465
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: we needed that at the time, so yeah, sure, let's

466
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: hop in the band and in the van and go

467
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: play a couple of shows. So it really was just

468
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: for fun and to make a little bit of money

469
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: and to showcase the songs that we were writing for

470
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: other people. And then it just kind of grew. It

471
00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: wasn't until we wrote break Up with Them. That's the

472
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: first song that we held back from anyone, first song

473
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: that we went wait a minute, there's something really different here. Dang,

474
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: did that feel risky?

475
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

476
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: It did. It felt kind of It was every It

477
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: was going against everything that we had for the past

478
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: decade been trying to do was just right and put

479
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: everything out to the world to try to get people

480
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: to record them. And then that one came along, and

481
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: it was also the first one that the five of

482
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: us had written together as a band, so there was

483
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: something kind of special about that that we were like, Okay,

484
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: don't play this for anybody. There's something going on here.

485
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: You're also committing to be in a band a little

486
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: more when you do that, Yeah, because that's money you

487
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: could be making somewhere else. If somebody cuts it, puts

488
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: it out as a single, right, but you're going we're

489
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: going to punt on making money with this, that's cements.

490
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: Hey, we're actually trying a band. Yeah, we're gonna make

491
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: a run for this. And I know it used to

492
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: frustrate some other people, some other artists that were kind

493
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: of on our same level, because we on the surface

494
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: didn't seem to care if it worked or not. And

495
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: there was a big part of us that didn't care

496
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: if it worked or not that we were just truly

497
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: enjoying ourselves. Of course, whenever something good would happen, we

498
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: would get excited, you know, but then we would quickly

499
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: tell ourselves this is never going to work. There's no

500
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: way this is going to work.

501
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: You think a little bit of that is because you guys,

502
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: you weren't twenty five, but so you'd been through a

503
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: lot of rejection. Sure, this business is natural for rejection. Yeah,

504
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't even mean you're not good, So it don't

505
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: take that in that way totally. If you're here long enough,

506
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: you're rejected a thousand times, Yeah, you have to get rejected.

507
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: Do you think a little bit is because you guys

508
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: had been rejected a bunch for sure that you're like,

509
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: we don't want to get too excited because we've been

510
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: down this road.

511
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some self preservation there for sure. So I

512
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: mean it took us until recently to be like, Okay,

513
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: I think we're I think we're good, you know, but yeah,

514
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: a lot of that self preservation that goes into that

515
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: mindset for sure.

516
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: Were you guys different minded on who's serious about it

517
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: and how serious about it?

518
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: At first, Like some of you guys were got really

519
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: in and some were just middle Not really, I think

520
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: we were pretty unified. I think I think one of

521
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: the early kind of I don't even want to call

522
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: it a struggle, it was just a mindset shift was

523
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: once we did have a hit and h and maybe two,

524
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: we were still going, this is temporary. This is there's

525
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: no way this lasts any longer than this. So you

526
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: guys have seen it be temporary for so many so well,

527
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: most of the time, if it works, it's very temporary.

528
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: So we had all we had laid so much groundwork

529
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: in the songwriting community and in that world. We didn't

530
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: want to let go of that. So it then became

531
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: a balance, a weird balancing act of like, okay, what

532
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: songs do we hold back and do we or do

533
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: we still hold back any or do we do we

534
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: push it all in here and cut off that faucet

535
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: and everything is for old dominion. Now that was a

536
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: hard switch to flip. It's a version of burn the boats,

537
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: like we don't want to weigh out, so we.

538
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: Got to burn the boats so we can't go sail

539
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: back to our country, right, I mean whenever I was

540
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: because I started in Austin and I did a show

541
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: in one city and I would buy these little two

542
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: thousand dollars equipment racks, and I had to learn how

543
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: to syndicate myself and my company.

544
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: They never said no, but they were like, okay, you're

545
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. What are you going to do? How

546
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: are you going to syndicate it?

547
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 2: So I started and I had all these we were

548
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: running at an intern that was an engineer. We made

549
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: that job up and I was on in like eleven

550
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: cities and then the company was like whoa, whoa, whoa,

551
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: this is kind of bigger than we thought. And it

552
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: ended up me going to Nashville. But I had to

553
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: burn all the boats every market that I had. When

554
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: I was doing pop and hip hop. Yeah, it all

555
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: had to go away for me to go and do this,

556
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: and I couldn't go back. That's terrifying because all the

557
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 2: stations that I left Elvis drand was going on these

558
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: other shows.

559
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: So once I committed, I was burning the boats. Yah. Yeah,

560
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: And it is a different level of I'm now freaking committed. Yeah.

561
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: And so I can see when you say that, that's

562
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: what that would feel like, because you have to you

563
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: have to commit. Yeah, it took us probably too long.

564
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still you know, it's still a question

565
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: that's in our head all the time, you know, because

566
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: we write all the time. So and especially if if I,

567
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: like if I'm a writer on a song with two

568
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: outside writers, it's a little bit harder to get it

569
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: into the old dominion world than it is if the

570
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: other guys are on it. And that goes for everybody.

571
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: But it's still do I pitch that song? Or do

572
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: I do I try to sell these guys on this one.

573
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: It's a it's a weird game to play. I was

574
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: talking earlier today about meeting heroes and.

575
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: Forever it was I want to meet them, and then

576
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 2: it was I don't want to meet them because I'm

577
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: all be disappointed.

578
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: Now, I'm kind of like, let's just give it a run. Sure,

579
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: let's just see what happens. Yeah, why not, because some

580
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: of them we're gonna be awesome and some aren't.

581
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: And in the end, again, I think I now I

582
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: have the luxury of knowing that it doesn't matter how

583
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: high up you are in the fame ladder, you're still

584
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: a person.

585
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: You're still an insecure person. Yeah, wildly insecure, or you

586
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't do this job totally. Like, this is a job where.

587
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: People are being creative. For the most part, they're searching

588
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: for something, some love, some fulfillment. You have to have

589
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: a screw loose to do it.

590
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that It's funny too, Like I think I

591
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: think that's still shocking in this day and age. It's

592
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: still shocking for fans to find out that their favorite

593
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: artists are just broken, insecure people.

594
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: But that's also what makes them their favorite artists. Like,

595
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have the ability to write, draw, create, see

596
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: things differently if you didn't feel things different.

597
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

598
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: So for me, it's always been like do I want

599
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: to be my heroes? And I was talking about it

600
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: because one of my heroes from when I.

601
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: Was kids coming to town and I'm like, do I

602
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: even go and be like, ah, I'm an adult man.

603
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Who is it? Can you say? Yeah? It's an athlete.

604
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: His name is Mark Grace. He played first base with

605
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: the Cubs. Yeah, I'm forty five. Do I walk up

606
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: and I'm a dude? I loved you when I was twelve. Yeah. Yeah,

607
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: So we were kind of having that debate.

608
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: And there's like four people on my list of folks

609
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: that I have never got to interview or spend time

610
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: with that I love, And that's Mark Grey's Sting, the wrestler,

611
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: David Letterman, who is my hero and my whole life

612
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: of Steve Martin, who is not so much for his

613
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: acting all the has been great, but his comedy is

614
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: like magic.

615
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: He's got my favorite book ever. That book is it Born?

616
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: This incredible book? My favorite book. Yeah. So it's those

617
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: are that and I haven't met any of them. When

618
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: you moved to town, did you ever have those moments

619
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: where it's like, I don't know, do I want to

620
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: meet my heroes? Did you meet any of your musical heroes?

621
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: I have now met some musical heroes. When I moved

622
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: to town, I was and Phil Vasser was was instrumental

623
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: in getting me to move to town. So I and

624
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: he was a songwriter that went on to have an

625
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: artist career too, and that I was excited to meet

626
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: him and kind of he sort of was a mentor

627
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: to me a big time and we're still close. So

628
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: I met him right off the bat. But other than that,

629
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I didn't really meet anybody. I remember actually there was

630
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: there was this club on Eighth Avenue that's called the Sutler,

631
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: which is I don't know if it's there any there's

632
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: a restaurant I think for a while called the Sutler,

633
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: but but it was this dirty little club that I

634
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: used to play at all the time. And I remember

635
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: setting up to play one afternoon and Kenny was sitting

636
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: at the table doing an interview. And you know, I

637
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: couldn't have known that at that point in time that

638
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: I was going to meet him and become friends with him.

639
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I stopped myself from saying anything there. But

640
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: who now have you met? And it doesn't have to

641
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: be in music? Yeah, Well I got to I'm huge

642
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen fan and I got to meet him, which

643
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: was crazy. Were you able to be yourself as much

644
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah, this is a funny story because I went.

645
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: So I'm such a huge nerd for his music. He

646
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: did this Broadway play one Man Show thing, which you

647
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: know was on Netflix too. Yeah, and I wanted to go,

648
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go by myself. I didn't want

649
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: anybody to know that I was going because I didn't

650
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: want anybody sitting next to me talking through the whole thing.

651
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: I just wanted to focus on it. So I decided

652
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: to go by myself. And I never do this, but

653
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I messaged our manager and I was like, hey, man,

654
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I've never asked you to pull any strings, but if

655
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: you can pull some strings and I could get to

656
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: meet Springsteen, that would be incredible. And so he's like,

657
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: I'll see what I can come up with. And he

658
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: wound up getting in touch with them and the and

659
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: the and his tour manager and and they texted me

660
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: and said, Hey, it's up to Bruce whether or not

661
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: he wants to meet you. It's either going to before

662
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: or after the show. I but just let us know

663
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: when you're here. So I got there like two hours early,

664
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm here then, and he was like,

665
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: all right, Bruce says he'll meet you after the show.

666
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: So so I go in and I take my seat

667
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful seat, and seat next to me

668
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: is empty, and finally they fill in and I hear

669
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: this guy. He says, a beautiful seat. Yeah, I mean beautiful,

670
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: all right, seat was so plush, but so I can

671
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: recognize this guy's voice next to me. I was like,

672
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: who is this? And I kind of put it together.

673
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Finally I was like, oh, that's Adam Durtz from my

674
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: favorite singer of all time. So also huge, huge influence.

675
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: So I'm all excited, huge, We'll go there in a minute.

676
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: So so I'm sitting there going, okay, I gotta waiting

677
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: to break in this conversation to introduce myself. And so

678
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: the conversation lulls and I turned to him and he

679
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: turns to me and he goes, you're an old dominion,

680
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: are you? And I was like, holy shit, like you know,

681
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: I was not expecting him to recognize me. And so

682
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: then we were just fanboying. I'm sitting there fanboying with

683
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 1: Adam Durtz over Bruce, and they come and they take

684
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: me and him backstage afterwards, and we were just hanging

685
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: out in the dressing room and he used you know, Springsteen,

686
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: treating us like peers, just asking us how our tour

687
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: is going, and it was just total shop talk. So

688
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: he made it easy to just be yourself. That's a

689
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: great story. It was amazing. Had Adam met Bruce. He

690
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: had met him one time before, I think, but they

691
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: weren't friends, so he was also Yeah, he was also

692
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: geeking out.

693
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if I could have enjoyed

694
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: the show the same knowing that I was probably going

695
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: to go back and meet him after.

696
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: It was. It was hard, but I don't know. It

697
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: was beautiful seat. He had a beautiful seat. It was

698
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: if you would have felt the cushions, it would have

699
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: put you at ease. That's pretty cool. It was. It

700
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: was pretty rad.

701
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

702
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

703
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: Did you tell anybody afterwards that you went to the show? Oh? Yeah,

704
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: I told him, Like why didn't you tell us? Well,

705
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: it was funny because we were playing like we were

706
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: playing a private show in New York the night before that,

707
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: and so I told them after like like that day,

708
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not flying home with you, guys,

709
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to this Springsteen show. And they were fine,

710
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: that's cool. You like musicals. I love musicals. Yeah, I've

711
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: kind of become a musical guy. I didn't think I

712
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: would be. Yeah, I've always loved them. I've always loved them.

713
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: They all make me cry. I cry at the end

714
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: of every one of them. I love them.

715
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Wasn't exposed to them growing up in a small town

716
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: in Arkansas, and so I was kind of like, I.

717
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Don't want to hear people singing.

718
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: But man, you go to one or two yeah, and

719
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this is a different level of talent,

720
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: and it's a different type of performer.

721
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: And the fact that they do eight shows in a week,

722
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: it's wild. I don't know how they do that. That's

723
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: a grind. And NBA players like, we're doing home and

724
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: back back to back games. Bro, you see these Broadway performers,

725
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: they're doing two a day and some day, I mean

726
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: that's their entire life. Yeah, it's crazy. What's the best

727
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: one you've ever seen? Oh? Gosh, probably The Color Purple

728
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: was really good. The first ones I went to, I

729
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: was in high school and I was on the yearbook

730
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: and I got my first trip to New York City

731
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: through the like yearbook, we tagged along with another school

732
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: and every night we would go. So I got to

733
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: see the Who's Tommy, which was incredible. How to succeed

734
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: in business without really trying and miss Saigon all of

735
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 1: them bloom. You got to go to like the major leagues,

736
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: to the first games or a Yankee Stadium. Yeah, it

737
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: was incredible. Yeah, that's and I was immediately like, whoa,

738
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: this is wild. And now I've seen uh, you know,

739
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: obviously I've been to Hamilton, and you know, i'd say

740
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: it every I say, they all make me cry. I

741
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: went to SpongeBob at tea pack and it made me

742
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: cry at the end. Hamilton.

743
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: I went to see Hamilton and I didn't know what

744
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: I was getting into and that I go in and

745
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 2: I called my agent and it was when the show

746
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: was popping hard.

747
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: So I was just like, hey, can you get me in?

748
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: I just want to go. I'm here.

749
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm up there working and I was like,

750
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: I'm here, Is there any way you can get me

751
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: a ticket? So I went to that show by myself

752
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: and like two hours before and she was like got it.

753
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: You know. At the time, I was in sah like

754
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: we have some seat, there have these seats and I

755
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: go and they start and they're like, so here we

756
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: are happened, and I'm like, man, I can't wait to

757
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: catch up. When they start talking, like when they start

758
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: actually doing dialogue that's not rapping.

759
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna catch up and because I

760
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: and then I realized about a third the way through

761
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: the whole thing is that. And then I got in

762
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: and loved you.

763
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to relax. You have to be like

764
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: what am I missing? You're like, it's okay, there's there's enough.

765
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: There's going to give me enough information. I really was

766
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: like I'm lost, So I'm just gonna wait until they talk.

767
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: And they never talked, and it was at that point

768
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, they're never going to talk. Take

769
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: it in. Yeah, And then then it was amazing, like

770
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I really liked it, but I did not know what

771
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: I was getting myself into.

772
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: I saw Kiki Boots, thought that was really good. I've

773
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: seen Wicked twice and I don't even like watching movie twice.

774
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: Dude. That's it's that's it's amazing. I've never got to

775
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: see that. It's amazing on Broadway. I've not seen it

776
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: on Disney. Plus, Mike, you watched the movie. Yeah, movie

777
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: is good. Yeah, movie, that's good. I've not seen the movie.

778
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: I loved the Broadway production, and then I watched it

779
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: when it came here off Broadway.

780
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: It was it was great eight and so that was good.

781
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: And then Book Mormon hilarious. Yeah, that's great, love Book Mormon.

782
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Well wicked that I'm terrible at actors' names, and she's

783
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: giant Christian Chenowith. But the girl who played cyndiaoo, yes,

784
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: oh the movie, Yeah, the movie got it. She was

785
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: when I said, the best one I saw was Color Purple.

786
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: She was the lead in the Color and I cried

787
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: because of her talent. I was just like, I can't

788
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: believe I'm in the same room as this person right

789
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: now doing what she's doing. She was that good, it

790
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: was wild.

791
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: I've spent time with her, but I was on American

792
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: Idol for four years and she came in as a

793
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: guest judge, and so I spent a whole day with her.

794
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: She was as nice as could be. Yeah, but she

795
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: never sang right, and everybody can sing like, I'm sure

796
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: she's good. Yeah, but it's different. Huh, yeah, it's wild.

797
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: It was. It was really incrediblely a small theater too,

798
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: so you could just feel everything. It was really I'm

799
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: sad it's not there anymore. It's great. Do you ever

800
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: do musical theater? No? I never did. But it's funny,

801
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: like we just had this conversation talking about with again.

802
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: We had this conversation kind of similar to what we're

803
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: talking about just this past winter, about musicals and how

804
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: much I like them, and he was like, I'm understanding

805
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: you so much now hearing this, and he was he

806
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: was like, man, I get what you're trying to do

807
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: with the show now, I get what you're after. And

808
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't even put it together that there was probably

809
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: some theatrical musical thing that I was feeling and channeling

810
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. He was like, Okay, well whatever, whenever

811
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: i'm fighting you on this stuff, just don't listen to me.

812
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't, but you know, you

813
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: mentioned Adam Duritz. That's one of he was on the

814
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: list of people that I hadn't met. Yeah, and a

815
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: couple of times, and he brought this up the last

816
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: time we were together. He said, I remember the first

817
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: time that I heard your name. They were like, hey,

818
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: Bobby Bones was going to come back and meet you,

819
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: and you didn't show up. And I was like, yeah,

820
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to meet you, That's what I said.

821
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: Scar.

822
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to not like you because

823
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: it's my favorite band of all time.

824
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: And he was like, I get it, because he's neurotic hit.

825
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: I think we all have a form of neurosis, and

826
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: he has definitely has a form that I understand and

827
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: in a way relate to. And he was like, oh,

828
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: I get it. There are people that I don't want

829
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: to ruin that image of. And then he was going

830
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: to come over to the house and then COVID hit

831
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: right Mike and so it got shut down. So then

832
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: he came to the studio and he had a reputation

833
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: of because I was a big fan, and so his

834
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: reputation was he doesn't give a lot in interviews. Not

835
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: because he doesn't want to give a lot, that's just

836
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: not his personality to be mister interview.

837
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: He was awesome. Now yeah, he's he's all over the

838
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: place talking now, it's pretty Yeah, it was so great.

839
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: And then they were coming back through town and he

840
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: was like, hey, I'm coming by and I'll come play.

841
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: I would never have asked him to play because they're

842
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: on that level of I don't want to bother them.

843
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: Sure yeah, And he was like, no, we'll play. He

844
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: will play whatever you want. And I was like, are

845
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: you kidding? That's awesome? Yeah, it was awesome because I'm

846
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: such a fan.

847
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: The only time I've had that experience as well, like

848
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: being in a room going I cannot believe this is

849
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: actually happening.

850
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Is I love Ben Folds? Oh yeah? And those the

851
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: Ben diagrams have been Folds and Adam or think they

852
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: cross over in a lot of Sure love Ben Folds.

853
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: And he played and was like, hey, I'll play. He's like, hey,

854
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I got an hour, I'll play whatever you want. And

855
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you kidding? That enters into that musical

856
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: theater type of world too. Yeah, so cool.

857
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: I thought it was so cool to be able to

858
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: have something that I love my whole life and be

859
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: able to semi dictate. Yeah, what I want is sure

860
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: you ever get in a room with it, because again,

861
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: your peers are creators. Yeah, and even like Bruce Springston,

862
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: do they have a piano back there? Like who who

863
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: have you been playing around or had they've been playing

864
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: around you? And you're like, Man, if I could have

865
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: told myself that I'm in this room with people just

866
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: dicking around, but it's people that I love that myself

867
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: fifteen years.

868
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Ago to have freaked out man, trying even like a

869
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: writer's room.

870
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we get jaded sometimes or all the

871
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: stuff that we do that we forget sometimes.

872
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are big These are big dudes, These are

873
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: big deals. There's a funny story. This isn't like that.

874
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: But the first thing that came to mind was when

875
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: it was backstage at an award show. Walked into the

876
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: bathroom and Tim McGraw was warming up for his study

877
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: Youth Mision. Yeah, he was warming up singing. He was

878
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: warming up for his for his performance, and there was

879
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: no way to get to the urinal without running into him.

880
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: And he was just a full voice back there, singing

881
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: that's how you talk to a woman. And he locks

882
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: eyes with me and he's just singing. And I looked

883
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: at him and I was like, for sure he's gonna

884
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: stop at some point and break. He didn't. He just

885
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: kept going and I looked at him in the face

886
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is the most surreal moment

887
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: of my entire life right now. That didn't break him.

888
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: He just kept on going and then walked out of

889
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: the of the bathroom, And I was like, what the

890
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: that's does? Have you spent much time around Tim? No? No,

891
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: super cerebral guy, very well read, Yeah, like consumes books. Yeah.

892
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing to me about Tim mcgroth, how

893
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: high he still sings His voice is crazy crazy because yeah,

894
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: you see and you know the hits, but whenever he

895
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: sings in person, he sings so high. It's it's a

896
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: very difficult place to sing. Yeah, you don't, and he

897
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: lives in it. You don't visually it doesn't match up.

898
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: You're like, any I mean, he's got a pretty good

899
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: range too. He can he doesn't always showcase how high

900
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: he can sing, but man, yeah he gets so good

901
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: he gets after it. Well, what did you listen to

902
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: growing up? Bruce Springston? Obviously later once was like appreciating, Yeah,

903
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen came in like probably college before that. I

904
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: was full in nineties grunge. That was huge, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Nirvana,

905
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: all those guys. But I also was I was exposed

906
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: to a lot of different music. My dad is a

907
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: huge music fan. He's not a musician, but had a

908
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: pretty eclectic record collection and he would just sit there

909
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: and play DJ and you know, he would pull the

910
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: record out, put one song on, and while that was playing,

911
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: he was finding another one. And it was everything from

912
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: old school country to the Temptations and stuff like that.

913
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: So I just was from an early age exposed to

914
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: all different types of music and loved it all. So

915
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: my friends would be would make fun of me for,

916
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, taking out the Nirvana City and putting in

917
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: the Temptations and listening to that and being just as

918
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: happy with it. So I kind of listened to everything.

919
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: I used to say that country music was about where

920
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: I was from and that's why it was prominent in

921
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: my life. But like the alternative stuff was like how

922
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: I felt, yeah, because I was like an angsty team.

923
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: I'm so sad the first time. I the first time

924
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: when we went to Seattle, I was like, oh, I

925
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: was like walking around in my seventeen year old head, like,

926
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, like, look at this place. What was your

927
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: first concert? Huey Lewis in the news. Was my first concert?

928
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: I was probably eleven, so a parent wanted to go No,

929
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: I was that was back to the future time power love.

930
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: So I loved Huey Lewis, and I was young enough

931
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: for those tickets to show up in my Easter basket.

932
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. Who went with you? My mom like yeah, yeah,

933
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: so that was That was also the moment too where

934
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: I was like looking around this arena watching people lose

935
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: their minds, going how do I do this for a living?

936
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: How do I affect people like this? This is crazy best.

937
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: Huey Lewis songs so power Love awesome because it's back

938
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: to the future, right, It's that's back to the.

939
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Future, righteah. Hip to B square kind of the jam

940
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: back in the day. There's so many good ones because

941
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: it's hip to be square. If this is it? Oh,

942
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: this is it?

943
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: Oh?

944
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: That was so good because I kind of like a

945
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: do wop thing in the eighties. It had like the

946
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: sonically sound like an eighties instrumentation, yeah, but still had

947
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: the this is it prob Oh man, that's a good one.

948
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: So we and we actually on this record, we've kind

949
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: of ripped off he Lewis as close as we could.

950
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: We definitely went it. There's one song in particularly where

951
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: we were like, let's just make a huge Lewis track.

952
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: Let's just do all Hugh Lewis. Let's go full Huey

953
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Lewis and see what happens, and it's awesome. I was

954
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: talking to Dirk's and he was talking about his song

955
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: called She Hates Me, and.

956
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: They were like, well, it has the same title as

957
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: the Puddle of Mud song. It kind of sounds like it.

958
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: So if we don't get ahead of this, we know

959
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: what's going to get it. Sure.

960
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, he was like, some writers. That's all we did.

961
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: We added writers on it. Has that ever happened to you, guys? No, No,

962
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: thankfully that hasn't happened, because I think there's probably a

963
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: couple of times where it could have, but so far

964
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: it hasn't.

965
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: Ever had the thing happen where you don't even realize

966
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: you're doing it, but then you're like, oh, I think

967
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: I might have been affected by this.

968
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, Trevor's actually gotten into a situation with that too,

969
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: was just completely random coincidence. What about the other way around?

970
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: And we've been called before, We've been called by some

971
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: writers before and so we weren't added to it. But

972
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, there are friends and you know, and some

973
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: of these other artists and they've called us and been like, hey,

974
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: we didn't realize this when we wrote this, but it

975
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: sounds an awful like like one of your songs, and

976
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: we just want to talk to you about it. And

977
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: we were just like, hey, you're good. What are your

978
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: feelings on that?

979
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: Because there are are only so many chord progressions and

980
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: chords and yeah, and I guess limitless melodies.

981
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: But even then you're going to step on something, right,

982
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: you're going to So it's a gray area for sure.

983
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: I mean, do you ever hear a song go that's

984
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: for sure our song? And they just need to tell us. No,

985
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: there's definitely some there's been some where I've been like, oh,

986
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: it's definitely at least stylistically sounds familiar. But I don't

987
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: think anybody's ever trying to. I try to think better

988
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: of people, but I mean you may do it not

989
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: even trying. Yeah, because for you know, this year, not

990
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: at all. But before I shot my comedy special, I

991
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: had to shut off anything funny, sure, because I wouldn't

992
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: mean to, but if somebody says something funny, it got

993
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: stored and maybe I found it and the next thing

994
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, oh god, it's a great like comparison,

995
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: because comedy is the same way. Man, Like, there's only

996
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: so many things you can talk about. We're all experiencing

997
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: the same things. I remember, like for a while there,

998
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: when you know, self checkouts became a thing at the

999
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: grocery store, that's what That's all any comedian talked about.

1000
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: Was like, whoa, I don't want to roll about to

1001
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: do my job for me, you know. It was like,

1002
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: it's so it's it's out there. You're gonna have to

1003
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: make it your own in some way. So it's the

1004
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: same with songwriting. There's only so many things you can

1005
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: write about, talk about so many melodies, twelve notes. You

1006
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: know you're going to land somewhere familiar at some point.

1007
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: Do you ever accidentally rewrite an old song? Mmmmm, No,

1008
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I have. I don't think I have.

1009
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: Or how about a song that you wrote a long

1010
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: time ago that never got cut and you're like, man,

1011
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just wasn't there then. But what

1012
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: if we try to rewrite something like that.

1013
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: I suck at that. I'm not good at that. I

1014
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: wish I was better at that because I do know

1015
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: there's ideas out there that I've missed on, but the

1016
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: idea is there. But typically I'm just I usually am

1017
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: like now, missed it onto the next I don't don't

1018
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: look back through stuff that often. How often do you

1019
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: write now? Now, I've never been an everyday writer. Some

1020
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: of the guys in the band, Trevor could write every

1021
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: He could write five songs a day, and Brad can

1022
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: write a lot too. I probably when I'm at my highest,

1023
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: it's probably three times a week at the most. But

1024
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I typically will hit it hard for a couple of

1025
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: weeks and then a couple of weeks nothing, and then

1026
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm always writing ideas and and you know,

1027
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: concepts down, but to actually sit down and write a song,

1028
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: it's not that often.

1029
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

1030
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1031
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: Extremely vague question, what's Old Dominion's best song? Whoosh best song?

1032
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: From a writing standpoint, there there are no parameters. Yeah, okay,

1033
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: let's do parameters. From a writing standpoint, man, I really

1034
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: love the song of ours called My Heart is a Bar.

1035
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: That one is one of my favorites. I think We

1036
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: kind of captured something there that is not talked about much,

1037
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: but it's kind of hidden a little bit in the

1038
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a Irish barroom kind of song,

1039
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: but there's some heartbreaking lines in there that that I

1040
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: really like. I also would say Written in the Sand

1041
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: is a song of ours that we nailed and and

1042
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: became a big hit, and I feel like that one

1043
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: is pretty perfect. What's the best song that you guys

1044
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: play live? I would say Memory Lane, probably because that

1045
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: one is a moment where we first of all, you

1046
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: can hear the crowd singing that song louder than anything

1047
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: that we play all night, you know, and especially when

1048
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the band is full volume and you've got your in

1049
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: ears in and you typically can't hear that much crowd,

1050
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: you can hear them singing louder than the entire set.

1051
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: So I love that feeling and and we've kind of

1052
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: extended it from in a live form. We just rock

1053
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: it out and it's a It's a cool moment for

1054
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: us as a band to feel like a band and

1055
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: to be a band on stage, and there's so much

1056
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: energy in the room around it. It's it's a high

1057
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: point for me. How did you guys. Opening for people

1058
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: affect how you treat your openers now tremendously, because I

1059
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: mean and honestly, we opened for Kenny for so long

1060
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: and they treated us so well. We just thought that's

1061
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: how it was until we went out on some other

1062
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: tours and we're like, oh, I'm not welcome here, you know.

1063
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: So so we we knew pretty pretty quickly how we

1064
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: like to be treated, and so we try to we

1065
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: try to take everything we learned from Kenny into that

1066
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: into that realm. What's Kenny like, He's such a great dude, man,

1067
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: He's a he's a great friend man. He's he's you know,

1068
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: just like the rest of us artists, like we talked about,

1069
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: weird and self conscious and also confident and completely knows Yeah.

1070
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: The reality of being an artist because you have to

1071
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: have irrational confidence, yeah, yet the most insecure.

1072
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. You have to balance this total belief in yourself

1073
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: and total self doubt at the same time and hopefully

1074
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: land more towards the belief. And if it doesn't do drugs. Yeah,

1075
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: that's what always said to young kids, come in, yeahrug

1076
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: do drugs? Kids do this record?

1077
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: And I feel like any body of work that comes

1078
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: out now, the goals are so different now than even

1079
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: three to five years ago.

1080
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: Like, what's best case scenario with this record anymore? Man?

1081
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: Best case scenario is our fans love it, you know,

1082
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: and we get we get a whole new crop of

1083
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: songs to put into our set. We're super fortunate, man,

1084
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: that we have built this fan base in this culture

1085
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: where we don't have to worry too much outside of that.

1086
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: You know. We we know, we have our people, and

1087
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: there's a real vibe when they show up and when

1088
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: we're all together. So I just hope they like it,

1089
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: and I hope that they can use it in some way,

1090
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: shape or form, whether that be to help them through

1091
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: something or you know, make the party better. Uh that's

1092
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: to me, is we're already successful, man, Like, Yeah, that

1093
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: was my question. Is I feel like the pressure is

1094
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: different now. You don't need you don't have to have

1095
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: three number ones or it's not a success. Yeah, I mean,

1096
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: and it's the industry's changed so much, so you know,

1097
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: you've got several artists that are just parked at the

1098
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: top number one all the time. You're never gonna you're

1099
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: never going to pop above them. We aren't, you know,

1100
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: So we don't really think about that too much. Yes,

1101
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: a hit would be awesome, you know, that allows us

1102
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: to keep doing this. But a hit, the definition of

1103
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: a hit is changing daily, so you know, what does

1104
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: that even mean anymore? So is there like forty one

1105
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: ways to have a hit now? Yeah? Yeah, it's just

1106
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: getting eyeballs and earballs. Yeah, like that's a hit. Yeah,

1107
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: and if people are singing it at the shows, I'm happy.

1108
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: Did you feel ever or did you worry about if

1109
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: you got successful it would kill your drive?

1110
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: And I don't never thought about that.

1111
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 4: No.

1112
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: I think I spent so much time not being successful

1113
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: and convincing myself that even after success that I probably

1114
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: wasn't successful as successful as I probably was. But the

1115
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: drive really was was creativity based more than anything. You know,

1116
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: I just wanted to I just want to keep creating,

1117
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: keep writing, and keep making stuff and have this job

1118
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: that allows me to do that. It's such a cool thing.

1119
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: It's such a fun, magical little job.

1120
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: Do you ever end up in your life now in

1121
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: a place where this is like, oh this is from

1122
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: Matthew plays music and you grab a guitar and you

1123
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: can still like shock the crap.

1124
00:55:59,520 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: Out of people.

1125
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 4: I never do that.

1126
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: I would never well, like someone, I would be like no, no, no, no, no,

1127
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: get that guitar away from me. Like if you go

1128
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: to a wedding that like they expect you to get

1129
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: up and sing no, no, no, everyone, I'm on the

1130
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: I'm the guy in the corner for sure. I'm not. Uh,

1131
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm not one. I've never been one to perform at

1132
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: parties or anything like that, even if you're godd like,

1133
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: come on, man, never, No, I wouldn't do it. You

1134
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: don't want to do it? No, it's that's terrifying. Is

1135
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: it more awkward with less eyeballs? Yes, a wedding would be.

1136
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: I've sung it a couple of weddings, and that's the

1137
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: only time I've ever been shaking nervous. Why do you

1138
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: think that is? I feel so important, you know, it

1139
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: feels so important in that moment, I think, I don't

1140
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: want to screw it up. What'd you sing at a wedding?

1141
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. I remember I played at one

1142
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: of my friend's weddings. I played an Alman Brothers song.

1143
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: I can't quite remember which one it was. That's a

1144
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: weird to ask for a friend, because I when we

1145
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: got married.

1146
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: A lot of our friends are artists, and there's this

1147
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: weird land of if I don't ask them, they might

1148
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: be insulted. If I do ask them, I don't want

1149
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: to ask them because I don't want them to think

1150
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm their friend for that reason.

1151
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: Sure, and.

1152
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: We got married and we had it at our house

1153
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: and it was excellent because we had a couple friends

1154
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: that jumped up and said, hey, we want to sing,

1155
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: so like Dan and Shay sang our first dance song,

1156
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: which was from Full House. It was Forever Jesse and

1157
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: the Rippers, but it was a beach boy song. Brian

1158
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: went and sunk. So once they did that, I know

1159
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: for a fact I had a couple of friends that

1160
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: were going to get insulted if I didn't ask them.

1161
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: And it was and I want everybody to have a

1162
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: good time. We had, but it was a weird thing

1163
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: like going because I knew some of them. Maybe I

1164
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: didn't want to ask because I knew they wouldn't want

1165
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: to do it, but I wasn't sure if they'd be

1166
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: insulted if I didn't.

1167
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: It's it was a weird Yeah, it's funny because on

1168
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 1: the if it was me in that situation, I would

1169
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: be my natural instinct, like your natural instinct is I

1170
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: don't want to bother them, never when it's when, it's

1171
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: probably not going to bother them. You know, that's what

1172
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: they do for a living. It's probably not going to

1173
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: bother them. And for me, if I was asked, my

1174
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: natural instinct would be I don't want to make this

1175
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: about me. I don't this is your night. I don't

1176
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: want to make this about me, when in reality I

1177
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: should probably just be like, of course it's not about me.

1178
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: Of course this is a gift for them. And you know,

1179
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: why would I be so egotistical to think like, oh,

1180
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: it's going to be about me. And I never want

1181
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: to bother anybody.

1182
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: I know, I feel guilty having people have to come

1183
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 2: to the studio do interviews. Yeah, I'm like, I don't

1184
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: want to come up here, when in reality it's very

1185
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: much a symbiotic relationship.

1186
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I'm like, I don't know.

1187
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: I don't think they want to come, so let's not

1188
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: let's let's not make them get up er.

1189
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: I think that's probably like in our career too, Like

1190
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: I think that's probably stopped us from you know, because

1191
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: we don't do a lot of collaborations and stuff like that,

1192
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's basically why. It's because we've been like,

1193
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to put them in

1194
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: a position where they have to say no.

1195
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: And I always feel like a boy. Two other things, One,

1196
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: how are you taking compliments terrible? I wouldn't have thought

1197
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: of that question, but hearing you talk, if you feel

1198
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: like you'd be terrible at taking.

1199
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: Compliment, terrible at it. I've worked on it over the

1200
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: past few years, and same thing like i've it is

1201
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: someone explained to me, like, you know, my instinct would

1202
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: be to be self deprecating when receiving a compliment, but

1203
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: that's a little bit. It's been described to me as

1204
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: if someone's handing you a gift and you slap it

1205
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: out of their hand. It's pretty rude. So I'm I've

1206
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: had to learn to, you know, relax my jaw. And

1207
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable take that compliment in because it's really tough.

1208
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: And you know, when I give someone a compliment, because

1209
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't do implements well at all, right, I don't either, But.

1210
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: When I give someone one and they like kick it off,

1211
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh man, I wish they would have accepted that. Yeah,

1212
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: yet I don't do that to myself, which isn't fair.

1213
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: It isn't fair, and I try to do the same thing. Yeah,

1214
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: I want.

1215
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to allow this to be a precious moment.

1216
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's hard, though, It's so hard because they

1217
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: don't feel like I deserve it.

1218
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1219
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: I think there's well, there's the nagging part of you

1220
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: that knows who you are that you think no one

1221
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: else knows you know or you know you're You're trying

1222
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: to hide whatever, that part of you that you don't

1223
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: like from the world, and allowing someone to see you

1224
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: at all is you're in danger of them seeing that

1225
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: part of you too. I'm a big I need to

1226
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: control the narrative. So I don't want anyone saying nice

1227
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: things about me or bad things about me, because I'm

1228
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: going to say both. I'm going to do both. I

1229
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: got plenty of bad I got plenty of bad things,

1230
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: but I'm also going to tell you what's good. But

1231
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't want you saying anything good or but I

1232
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: don't have control of that. It is hard to be

1233
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: a human man. Yeah, it is how you Physically, I'm good,

1234
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm good, better than I have been in years. Filled

1235
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: from all the accident, yueled up and you know, I've

1236
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: got a trainer now. I haven't worked out in a

1237
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: couple of weeks now, but just because I'm completely exhausted.

1238
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, man, I feel really good. Feel

1239
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: Does anything hurt? When it weather changes? Everything hurts all

1240
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: the time. I have a new sort of Your baseline

1241
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: is different. My baseline is different. You know. Once you've

1242
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: once you've been through a few of the injuries that

1243
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: I've had, your baseline changes. But yeah, you know I

1244
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: can't sleep in one position all night long. Once it

1245
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: starts hurting, I roll over and I'm good. Drugs, man,

1246
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: I tell you what I tell the kids, More drugs.

1247
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: Drugs do hell, but you sleep more drugs. Okay. One

1248
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: last thing about the tour.

1249
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: When you guys go, because I was looking, you guys

1250
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: are doing a bunch of UK shows, Europe shows.

1251
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you have to go? Okay? The

1252
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: crowds are gonna be a little smaller or in a

1253
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: little different. Is that a thing? Yeah?

1254
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Like brace yourselves cause it's going to

1255
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: feel different, and don't be insulted.

1256
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care. About the small part. You know,

1257
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: that's natural. We can go to you know, Alabama and

1258
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: the crowd is going to be smaller than it is

1259
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: in the Northeast for us, you know, so that's natural,

1260
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: and especially overseas, there's no way we would expect it

1261
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: to be as big. But we do have to sort

1262
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: of adjust our show a little bit. And it's a

1263
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: different audience for sure. You know. I think in America

1264
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: it's as much about the party as it is about

1265
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: the music sometimes, and over there it's more about the music,

1266
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: and they want to hear more talking and more stories.

1267
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: And I remember the first la. Yeah, the first time

1268
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: we went out there. We came out for the party

1269
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: and trying to throw the party, and we're like, these

1270
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: people aren't partying again, They're just staring at us and

1271
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: listening very intently to every thing we're doing. So then

1272
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: like next she'll be like, Okay, let's just let's just

1273
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: take a step back and engage with them and talk

1274
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: to them a little bit more. And that tends to work. Well.

1275
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: Is that European running because you never get to go home?

1276
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: Is that a little harder on you? Yeah? This time

1277
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: we were a little bit smarter about it because usually

1278
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: when we wind up in Europe, it's usually at the

1279
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: end of the US tour and we're exhausted, and then

1280
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Speaker 1: you go over there and you have to adjust the time.

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Speaker 1: So this time we blocked a couple of weeks off

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Speaker 1: before we go over there, so we're going to have

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Speaker 1: like two weeks to just chill and then we go

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Speaker 1: over there and we're going to have a couple of

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Speaker 1: days before the first show. First time we were going

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Speaker 1: over there, we'd land stage half asleep. Yeah, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: They had to wake us up. The first time we

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Speaker 1: went over there. I was asleep on like four barstools

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Speaker 1: that I'd pushed together, and there was a towel that

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Speaker 1: I was using as a pillow, and I'm laying across

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Speaker 1: these bar stools and they come and like shake me,

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Speaker 1: wake me up, Hey dude, it's time. And I went

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Speaker 1: on stage with like the towel print on my base.

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Speaker 1: Gad to like tell the audience like, this is not

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Speaker 1: a burn scar, this is a towel. I was asleep

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Speaker 1: two minutes ago. Final Final, final question. A favorite country

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Speaker 1: that's not America that you've been in. I really really

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Speaker 1: like Scotland. We haven't got to spend a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of time. Also Portugal. I would say, go to Portugal

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Speaker 1: if you get a chance. Uh. We got to spend

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Speaker 1: a few days off in Lisbon, which is beautiful. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: love it over there. I haven't been to Portugal we

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Speaker 1: were doing this. Austria is my favorite. I've never been there.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah, but I think you know, it's we're

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Speaker 1: only there for a day.

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Speaker 2: It's like going to an away football game, like if

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Speaker 2: that if that small part of the way that that

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Speaker 2: crowd is nice to you, you're like, well, it's a

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Speaker 2: great fan base. But if like one idiot's like I

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Speaker 2: hate Texas, you know, and it's really just who you.

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Speaker 1: Were with at that time. Sure, Austria was pretty fantastic.

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Speaker 1: We were in. We were in when we went to Lisbon.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have a show. We just we had like

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Speaker 1: three days off and we were like, let's go to Lisbon.

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Speaker 1: So that was fun to just kind of see the culture. Scotland.

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Speaker 1: We've been to enough. I say that because we've been

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Speaker 1: there enough times now that it's become sort of familiar.

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Speaker 1: Just like any other city that we've been to eight

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Speaker 1: or nine times, we know where the coffee shop is

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Speaker 1: in the restaurant in the bar that we like, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we can land and just be there and

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Speaker 1: kind of appreciate it for what it is a little

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Speaker 1: bit more than the other ones. That's awesome. Well, congrats

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Speaker 1: on the record. Thank you very much. The record is

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Speaker 1: Barbara and the Tour.

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Speaker 2: And you're not going to go to any like I

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Speaker 2: don't know, maybe some Copenhagen listeners out there, but maybe,

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Speaker 2: but you still have some American dates left up here.

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Speaker 2: But you guys can go to we areoldominion dot com.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the time. Always like spending time with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's it's very much ship's passing then. I always in

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Speaker 2: this town, I know, so to get an hour to sit,

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. I appreciate the time. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.