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Speaker 2: different version of them. These people have. They come from
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Speaker 2: first inspirations, I remember me buying a fake leather jacket.
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Speaker 2: didn't feel right. I had to figure it. But I
Speaker 2: was trying to imitate them. I went and got gazelles,
Speaker 2: I went and did everything. I went and got the hats.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be like them, and in a lot
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Speaker 2: are icons. They are tycoons. They are the definition of pop.
Speaker 2: They are the definition of of of keeping it real.
Speaker 2: They are the definition of legends. They are a definition
Speaker 2: of icons. When I think of this, when I think
Speaker 2: of these people, that's who I got. When my dictionary,
Speaker 2: when I look up icon, that's who I see. In
Speaker 2: case you don't know who the fuck were talking about,
Speaker 2: We're talking about the one, the only, motherfucking d m
Speaker 2: c yo. I got a lie, crazy, what what is this? Okay?
Speaker 2: I want to start with this. This is a comic.
Speaker 3: Holy comic book I made for a song that I
Speaker 3: did with Chuck Dy, iced T and Jesse Jeff. He produced.
Speaker 2: It was Freddy rap on this one. He did okay.
Speaker 3: He was like, yo, I got icy Chuck Dy and
Speaker 3: d J J Jeff and d m C in the room.
Speaker 3: I don't need to be on it because he was
Speaker 3: like a fan, like he couldn't believe the moment. Song
Speaker 3: inspired the comic book. Yeah, the song is fun the
Speaker 3: comic book. Yeah, because bum was like, you guys the
Speaker 3: my superheroes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are my superheroes. Let's face anoy for that,
Speaker 2: spacenoy for that. So let's let's take it from the beginning, right.
Speaker 2: We just had Leo Cohns on right, and Leo Leo
Speaker 2: used to share rooms. He was yes, and he was
Speaker 2: only seeing with me because that was in neat cleaning.
Speaker 2: So we had him on and his claim to fame
Speaker 2: or his first you know a thing in this music
Speaker 2: business was he said role managing you guys. And then
Speaker 2: I asked him, I said, how did you become road
Speaker 2: manager for run DMC and he said simply because he
Speaker 2: had a passport. Yeah, was that how it happened?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because our first manager got fired. Oh wow, and
Speaker 3: then we needed a road manager and Lee was like,
Speaker 3: I'll do it correct and it was like, do you
Speaker 3: have a passport? But what was he But prior to that, well,
Speaker 3: Leo was in promoting hip hop parties. Really did have
Speaker 3: long hair. I feel like he had a long.
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't have hair.
Speaker 3: No, he was just a younger version of rocket hair
Speaker 3: with this guy and had this hip hop club in
Speaker 3: l a Wow, and once a week he would throw
Speaker 3: hip hop parties. So he booked run DMC. And when
Speaker 3: he booked run DMC, we played the show. You know,
Speaker 3: Damn Master Jay rest in peace. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: come hang with us. So Leo just started hanging out
Speaker 3: with us, and then I think he booked us again.
Speaker 3: But his was crazy after he booked run DMC because
Speaker 3: look now he got run DMC, right, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and it starts calling everybody I see this
Speaker 3: and that. But we were like to you know this,
Speaker 3: we was We was the ones that had all the
Speaker 3: hope to you know, part the red sea for hip hop.
Speaker 3: So Lea was funny every day he would call deaf
Speaker 3: jail after he booked Run DMC. Every go leo this,
Speaker 3: and NBA people hang up on him.
Speaker 2: He called back the mad Russell now Russell for assistance.
Speaker 3: So what had happened was he just woke up one
Speaker 3: day and just came to New York, showed up his
Speaker 3: office and we would go to death Gym every day,
Speaker 3: show up at the office. This and then Russell was funny.
Speaker 3: Russell would just give him crazy ship to do and
Speaker 3: he would make it happen right, right.
Speaker 2: So we had this.
Speaker 3: One of Jay's friends was in romanage, but he got
Speaker 3: fired because he was smoking crack on the plane.
Speaker 2: This is noise smoking crack on.
Speaker 5: The plane crack, But this is like one crack want
Speaker 5: I guess remember when crack first came up, he was
Speaker 5: smoking woolies.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of.
Speaker 3: A lot of normal people. But when it started turning
Speaker 3: the crack they was able to stop from in the beginning.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Jay's friend road manager was a crack fiend.
Speaker 3: The first day he spoke, he had to smoke it
Speaker 3: on a plane.
Speaker 2: So he got fired. But this was the time where
Speaker 2: you were suppos cigarettes a plane. Yes, okay, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: been traveling since there was and that shit made no
Speaker 2: sense because everybody's right here. Remember remember the other line
Speaker 2: USA Express Okay, okay, which directly the lad y'all remember
Speaker 2: that you would just take all your ship and get
Speaker 2: on a plane. So long story short, the manager got
Speaker 2: fired and Leo was always around. Okay.
Speaker 3: First he would call every day. Then he showed up
Speaker 3: just hanging out the office. Now, for anybody listening, that's
Speaker 3: very aggressive. Yeah, in that room all too right, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Cousins, Look, yes, a man on
Speaker 3: the mission. So we needed a road manager. I'll do
Speaker 3: it all right. And the question was you had a passport?
Speaker 3: And then ever since then, Wow, that's how it was,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: For me, it was like a blip. It was like
Speaker 2: Leo in New York was my role manage, shared movies
Speaker 2: with me, and in the next day they called them an
Speaker 2: executive Wow, which is a beautiful thing. Now, when I
Speaker 2: signed a deaf jam, I remember me walking in the building. Remember,
Speaker 2: I of God, He's telling me, he's like, you signed
Speaker 2: the death jam. I said yeah. He said, well, don't
Speaker 2: celebrate because you ain't win nothing. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: that was hard. And then I went to Leoll's office
Speaker 2: and Leon had this picture in his office with a
Speaker 2: bloody nose, and I said to Leon, did you have
Speaker 2: a fight, And he goes, no, I did so much
Speaker 2: blow that night.
Speaker 3: He said, he's in the road a lot of lot
Speaker 3: a lot of coke, like a whole lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of and my man Combat Jack.
Speaker 2: Recipes, Yes, great, so this and that.
Speaker 3: Man Cow from Chicago, big radio journalistic personality. Me and
Speaker 3: Combat and man Col we said, please, people, little kids,
Speaker 3: boys and girls, don't take this wrong way. And he
Speaker 3: said it though, Man Col said them and me and
Speaker 3: Combat we verified this.
Speaker 2: On his show. You know, the coke in the eighties
Speaker 2: was real good. Did you say the coke in the eighties,
Speaker 2: I'm keeping up right.
Speaker 6: For people it was it was it was like they
Speaker 6: cared about Did it influence the music? No, to coke
Speaker 6: was everywhere. For Leo to say that, that ship was
Speaker 6: every where.
Speaker 3: We used to just go to radio stations to give
Speaker 3: the program directors coke. I don't think it was even
Speaker 3: illegal when it first came on the scenes.
Speaker 2: What it was it was, it was it was an
Speaker 2: upscale social it was it was champagne, right.
Speaker 3: So I mean it's wrong for me to say that.
Speaker 3: So it's like me saying, you know, the champagne back
Speaker 3: then was very good. Right, that champagne has got has
Speaker 3: gotten better, right, coke has gotten worse. But for Leo
Speaker 3: to say that coke was every way like it was everywhere.
Speaker 2: Man, it's oh man when we came here, when we
Speaker 2: came here on the raising, hell too, we ain't see
Speaker 2: for three days running.
Speaker 3: You see hod L B C. But l didn't get high.
Speaker 3: But yo, I was doing it. Yeah, L was in
Speaker 3: the gym every morning. Lion said he had had it.
Speaker 3: It was hereditary.
Speaker 2: He said, I get all. He's there getting like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, the coke was everywhere. Forhlil to say that,
Speaker 2: I a lot of a whole lot of.
Speaker 3: Like Dad, I keep it real too, okay where I'm at,
Speaker 3: Like we had a high school. If you was able
Speaker 3: to go back and talk to the young Daryl mcdanneus
Speaker 3: when you first started the don't spend so much money
Speaker 3: on drugs.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of money, probably half a mill
Speaker 2: and half him three hundred and seventy two thousand.
Speaker 3: Me and sure was giving you for free.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, cold ship just to know a
Speaker 2: drug dealer. He looked at me like, I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: and I feel like is gonna come out Leo for
Speaker 2: Leo the City. He sniffed a whole lot of cook
Speaker 2: One of the one of the things that's so mysterious
Speaker 2: is I might have lost this argument. I never realized
Speaker 2: that you guys wasn't on depth Jam. I always always,
Speaker 2: I did everybody still we was on deaf Jam.
Speaker 3: So we were deaf Jam water coats.
Speaker 2: I'm from christ when that happened, What what what what happened?
Speaker 3: I think doctor dre Our doctor was in the room
Speaker 3: when Russell went to go start def Jam and it
Speaker 3: was basically, okay, mister Simmons, you know you're Curtius managing,
Speaker 3: and why should we give you a record deal? Well
Speaker 3: they did was just show a picture of the three
Speaker 3: baddest things in existence at the time we were. We
Speaker 3: were never able to get on different team because world understand,
Speaker 3: we were signed the Profile Record.
Speaker 2: Before the album. This is Profile Records exactly.
Speaker 3: So he was always on Profile Records and so so.
Speaker 2: It was Rush Management, which officially became Rush Management became
Speaker 2: Violator all years years okay, the little Violator became a
Speaker 2: part of Rush manage to get that whole thing. Random
Speaker 2: c was always on Profile records, came out on Profile
Speaker 2: records with its light than circum Seeds put the record out.
Speaker 2: It worked, sucam Seeds. Now a lot of people think
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Rock Box was the first hip hop video on MTV TV. Yes,
Speaker 2: and and it wasn't walked this way. It's a tongue twister,
Speaker 2: walked this way. The first rock rap record isn't walked
Speaker 2: this way. The first rock rap record is rock Box,
Speaker 2: which is a thing to put hip hop on MTV.
Speaker 2: But y'all record box, Yeah, okay, okay. What I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is our our our abilities started with Sucker
Speaker 2: and ceased because if you remember hip hop, everything was
Speaker 2: very musical in the beginning of everybody, which is sample
Speaker 2: the hot record on the radio. Oh let's do heartbeat,
Speaker 2: the R and B record, this and that. When when
Speaker 2: they c came along, we didn't use good Times, we
Speaker 2: didn't use ring my bell. We fucking came with boom
Speaker 2: tet tette in just the beat. And I remember that
Speaker 2: year the record dropped, hating my own record because everywhere
Speaker 2: I went, which season challenge because what you was doing
Speaker 2: is what I was.
Speaker 3: Doing for The Treacherous Three. Those were the records that.
Speaker 2: I want to hear.
Speaker 3: I don't want to even watch it, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So when my record started playing more than bands and flashing,
Speaker 2: it hurt. It bugged me up. Run knew what was
Speaker 2: going on because what people don't know. Run was a
Speaker 2: professional rapper at fifteen. He was the son of Curtis Blow.
Speaker 3: Run saw the business that's now in his living room.
Speaker 2: As a kid. He would come downstairs and curt As
Speaker 2: sleep on the chair. Jimmy Spice is over the hood.
Speaker 2: He needs over their Grandmaster Flash. Everybody's because Russ, who
Speaker 2: was Rus Russ Rushed Productions was a party. He was
Speaker 2: a party, put on it right, and he would hire
Speaker 2: a flashing bad He was so Run saw hip hop
Speaker 2: what the world is seeing now.
Speaker 3: Run saw that in his living room for four rappers
Speaker 3: to light drop Runners there. So Run new to business
Speaker 3: and this and that and run new entertainment. Shoub said me,
Speaker 3: I'm just a fucking kid hearing this hip hop. Shiit
Speaker 3: me and Run Running. Me and Run didn't meet until
Speaker 3: eighth grade. We didn't grow up together. Wow, my best
Speaker 3: friend growing up with this guy named Douglas Hayes. That's
Speaker 3: who I ran at and that's how I met Jane.
Speaker 3: That's how I met Hurricane, jam Messa J. You met
Speaker 3: jam Mester J before you met Run. Yes, Okay, continue.
Speaker 3: I met the jam Mass J through DJ Hurricane, who
Speaker 3: was EMC Hurricane down with Davy d and had a group.
Speaker 2: Called Solo Sounds Wiley Queens. So but the thing growing
Speaker 2: up the Run DMC is was how jam Master J.
Speaker 3: Hurricane was dressing in high school. Caine and Jay was
Speaker 3: going to school with the Godfather Heads and the matt
Speaker 3: Necks and Nadidas and the leather black in high school. Right,
Speaker 3: So that's why our style came.
Speaker 2: But what I wanted to say about circumcis when Sucker
Speaker 2: and Seas dropped, it was a game, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people and hip hop say, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: It was the game change because it was just the beat.
Speaker 3: It was the tape. We didn't want to do records.
Speaker 3: We wanted to me and Run had this team. We
Speaker 3: make beat jams, we make what's on the Haarlem World tape,
Speaker 3: we make what they doing in the te connection and
Speaker 3: the you know I'm saying. So when succer Seas came,
Speaker 3: it was the game changer and then everybody's oh, wow,
Speaker 3: you can do because.
Speaker 2: The greatest hip hop rappers in history. The greatest period
Speaker 2: in hip hop is the history before recorded rap.
Speaker 3: Now I can say that because I lived it. I
Speaker 3: understand the gams, the park jams. Yeah, just before rappers
Speaker 3: are like before we started making records. That was the
Speaker 3: best period of hip hop, which nobody even cares about now.
Speaker 3: I ain't even bring that ship up during the fiftieth
Speaker 3: year celebration hip Hop. I was saying about the fiftieth celebration,
Speaker 3: hipp only celebrated record making motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't. It wasn't. It wasn't the fiftieth It
Speaker 2: wasn't they said it was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't, And I can say this, It wasn't the
Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary of hip hop. It was the fifty anniversary
Speaker 3: of recorded guarded records.
Speaker 2: Go back and look at all the things and crazy.
Speaker 3: It wasn't about DJ and MC and break dancing, graffiti
Speaker 3: and the whole like the whole ship.
Speaker 2: So this is what I'm talking about. Said it wasn't
Speaker 2: or was it wasn't It was it was only a
Speaker 2: boy motherfuckers that make records.
Speaker 3: He said year, the celebration of it.
Speaker 2: What happened in the Bronx. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I want to see the fantastic fucking five we talked
Speaker 2: about all.
Speaker 3: I did shut it down. I didn't want to go
Speaker 3: so happy.
Speaker 2: Together. How long was that since y'all performed together? Since
Speaker 2: no we was doing show Okay, I wasn't.
Speaker 3: We was RENDMC was only doing festivals because I heard
Speaker 3: you guys wouldn't perform together since jam Master Jay had passed.
Speaker 3: We didn't want to, okay, but some of the checks
Speaker 3: were very nice.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, So that was it.
Speaker 3: But what I wanted to say about sucking, see, it
Speaker 3: was just about making be gems and we wanted to do.
Speaker 3: When we came in hip hop, we knew we had
Speaker 3: a responsibility for this. Anything that is wholly a sacred
Speaker 3: to a nation or community or of people whould get diluted,
Speaker 3: polluted and destroyed once it's commercialized. And a lot of
Speaker 3: the commercialization of that is very.
Speaker 2: Good, you know, financially in this and for the expansion
Speaker 2: of it. MTV and US being on records aided in
Speaker 2: the expansion of hip hop. But if there was no
Speaker 2: music business. We still had hip hop. So when Ren
Speaker 2: DMC and jmster J showed up, we wasn't thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: let's have hit records again. Money and this snana that
Speaker 2: run was doing it a little bit because you see
Speaker 2: you've been like that. But our things was to be
Speaker 2: the best DJs in MC's that people would ever see forever.
Speaker 2: Right Why because the people before us that art form
Speaker 2: the Melly Mels right to see. Everybody only knows Melly
Speaker 2: Mel for the message, but I got tapes of Melly
Speaker 2: Mel and Scorpio when he was mister ness.
Speaker 3: Rhyman like me and running.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows Melly Mel was Melly em Me, Ellie, em
Speaker 2: Me l and Melly Mel. Y'all rock well with echo
Speaker 2: chambers and flash drop and pieces of shiitn't nobody knows
Speaker 2: that I know that this record making ship don't excite me.
Speaker 2: So what you had to triple plattin that shit don't
Speaker 2: mean nothing because you didn't play Harlem World, motherfucker. So
Speaker 2: me and Ron came from that. We said we're gonna
Speaker 2: do and that ate it in our success. Everything we did.
Speaker 3: Was we were imagining.
Speaker 2: It was a cassette recording of us live, so we
Speaker 2: wanted to make rhyme routines. So when we did Suck
Speaker 2: and Seas, it gave permission everybody. Oh shit, we.
Speaker 3: Don't got the first rappers or the greatest rappers ever,
Speaker 3: But what was that Floyd? They had no rappers to
Speaker 3: look up to. So when the first rappers got into
Speaker 3: the music, you gotta understand what happened to our culture.
Speaker 2: We were a culture that is eternal, that never changes,
Speaker 2: That innovation gets better and better as we grow. Not
Speaker 2: that ship when you're thirty five and forty you can't rap.
Speaker 2: No is anybody going to go to Stevie Wonder and say, Stevie,
Speaker 2: you're fifty now you can't sit. Is anybody going to
Speaker 2: go to Patty Labella said, excuse me, Patty, you're fifty,
Speaker 2: you can't. Or Mick Jagger neither. The roman Stones won't
Speaker 2: have a fucking tour when they died and going. So
Speaker 2: we knew that before that, the ship that was going
Speaker 2: on that we were doing before rappers, the Light, that's
Speaker 2: the fucking its fucking turn. They could never take that
Speaker 2: ship from us. So we said we're gonna do that
Speaker 2: ship on records. And that's the thing that made the
Speaker 2: Jay never used the dat machine. They never did. It
Speaker 2: was when we played live Aid Motherfuckers that she was
Speaker 2: vinyl on the turntables enough rhyming.
Speaker 3: From sucking c to fucking jam ass to Jay.
Speaker 2: When we did hard Times, it's like that was Russell
Speaker 2: in the business.
Speaker 3: You got to make a commercial record. It's like so
Speaker 3: what we did was like that. We took because if
Speaker 3: you remember, the message came out first. So the message
Speaker 3: was the message. It's like a Jung Goose times broken
Speaker 3: last everywhere.
Speaker 2: But after that hip hop.
Speaker 3: Was able to say we can take you all to
Speaker 3: where you'll need to go. So bam and I'm so
Speaker 3: sounid force and so sound for Africa band, butter so
Speaker 3: solid force. They may't plant it rock. So when we
Speaker 3: made it like that, we said, you know what, we're
Speaker 3: tired of shit being separate. Let's put the message and
Speaker 3: the vision of Planet Rock. We know a place where
Speaker 3: everybody's eating and as safe. The students' like that. So
Speaker 3: when we did that with it, say if you.
Speaker 2: Listen to Planet Rock, if we were trying to make
Speaker 2: I mean, if you listen, it's like that we're trying
Speaker 2: to make Planet of Rocks and and but we wasn't
Speaker 2: good at it.
Speaker 3: We were just trying to make raw beats the way
Speaker 3: it was done in the streets.
Speaker 2: If you listen, you know it was the key to
Speaker 2: run to see success. It was It's like comic book
Speaker 2: Easter X. It was right up on your nose. When
Speaker 2: we made Adidas, we took the beat from the street
Speaker 2: and put it on TV as it is and it's
Speaker 2: formed no.
Speaker 3: Explanations to the ship. Take the beat like on DJ.
Speaker 3: But by us doing that, what the fuck were you?
Speaker 3: Nobody had never seen what we did in the hip
Speaker 3: hop be The people before us that created it didn't
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Meland Kas and all of
Speaker 2: them was mad at us when we first came out. Wait,
Speaker 2: what do you mean? We were fucking who the fuck
Speaker 2: is that they had on spikes? The fuck it was
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers from Queens with this badass attitude and they
Speaker 2: had on spikes. But you understand, that's what I wanted
Speaker 2: to say to you, Nori. The first MC, the first
Speaker 2: hip hoppers in the game, had no hip hoppers to
Speaker 2: look up to. But who were their idols in show business?
Speaker 2: Rolling Stones, Rick James and Bulman.
Speaker 3: Phone conte so because they coming into the music business
Speaker 3: and a lot of people do this in all forms
Speaker 3: of art and all forms of creativity. Now I'm in
Speaker 3: this Hollywood bullshit, so I got to change who I am.
Speaker 3: But they rightfully so, because what did I say when
Speaker 3: I first walked in there? This is like soul drainer,
Speaker 3: because this is what you're y'all are my Mike Douglass show.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're that young, So that's what you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that.
Speaker 3: So when the first hip hoppers got in a hip
Speaker 3: hop there was no fucking cool motherfucker because they were
Speaker 3: the cool motherfuck but because it was show business or
Speaker 3: I need to dress like bamin them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I need to dress like.
Speaker 3: You came doing this ship that they created. Russell being
Speaker 3: the show biz guy, entrepreneur, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: He's hitting me and run every minute. Y'all need stage clothes,
Speaker 3: y'all needed to y'all need to get me and rama say, yeah,
Speaker 3: we do, Russell, but we ain't war.
Speaker 2: But is it true that he told y'all to dress
Speaker 2: like the drug dealers from around the way. No, he didn't.
Speaker 2: He wanted us to. He wanted us to. I will
Speaker 2: look came from this. There's picture. There's a famous picture
Speaker 2: of me and Runner to Fever with check and jackets
Speaker 2: on no ants. Y'all might have seen his Me and
Speaker 2: run no Jay running now Russell at the fucking Fever.
Speaker 2: So what we I used to do? I used to
Speaker 2: go on my farmer closet. Okay, take this suit jacket.
Speaker 2: I had no fucking money and it so what ha
Speaker 2: happened once when we put Ja down the the DJ
Speaker 2: Jay's not in that picture because our first show at
Speaker 2: the Fever, our first show at the Fever, Jim Message
Speaker 2: Jay missed it because he went down to Jamaica Avenue
Speaker 2: the shop for year Rebel Knock Central E.
Speaker 3: I M so you know about this thing called sound check.
Speaker 3: So we played a Fever damn A six thirty. We
Speaker 3: had to leave Ja, so Jacob cried all ninety six.
Speaker 3: So the second time we played the Fever, Jay wasn't
Speaker 3: going to be late. But when we pull up to
Speaker 3: pick up Jake, like in the beginning, I was wearing
Speaker 3: Pullmans at show at in the beginning, blue poom with
Speaker 3: blue sweave pool with the white striped black flat lazers,
Speaker 3: a black yeah, flat.
Speaker 2: Lazers, Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Blue soup jacket and Kangles I was Kangle run was
Speaker 3: just his curly hair, side burned fly.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Sexy motherfucker. So this show,
Speaker 2: we pull up to Jay's.
Speaker 3: House on two thirty Hollards and Jay we beat him
Speaker 3: Horn for J and Larry Smith, the greatest hip hop
Speaker 3: producer ever that nobody knows about. Larry Smith, who held
Speaker 3: down four decades, I mean four years of hip hop
Speaker 3: by hisself. He produced the whole Rundium See album by herself,
Speaker 3: He produced the King of Rock album by himself, and
Speaker 3: he produced who Denie's groundbreaking the album French Freets Come
Speaker 3: Out the Night five by himself. So Larry Smith needs
Speaker 3: a movie, and he needs a documentary, and he fucking
Speaker 3: needs a fucking Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Award.
Speaker 2: Talk to d talk to Premier, talk to Doctor Dre,
Speaker 2: talk to Pete Rock, Talk to these DJ's Larry Smith.
Speaker 3: Our success was on Larry Smith. So lonso show, we
Speaker 3: pull up to Jay's house. He comes out the front
Speaker 3: door of his crib.
Speaker 2: He got the Godfather had on right, He got the
Speaker 2: black with the white stripe Adida jacking on.
Speaker 3: He got the black Lee's on. He got the brand
Speaker 3: new white Superstars with the black stripe on the side
Speaker 3: and the tongues is sticking up like tombstone. And he
Speaker 3: got the four speaker JVC box. As soon as he
Speaker 3: stepped on his stoop before Russell said that issue, Me
Speaker 3: and Room was like, that's our looks. So Jay was
Speaker 3: not only the sound, it was the.
Speaker 2: Fucking Me and Run was all over the place, Wow,
Speaker 2: all over the place. And you said your first was
Speaker 2: a seal sucker checker all tell all type of ship.
Speaker 2: But I was a cool motherfucker though, because I knew
Speaker 2: BVD nylons bb that motherfucker. I just a lot though
Speaker 2: that day were the worst for that. BBD have my
Speaker 2: red BBD all of that ship.
Speaker 3: Boy, Me and Run was all over the place until
Speaker 3: Jay came along and brought us together.
Speaker 2: J brought it all together. Now was was the gazelles.
Speaker 2: A part of that was this is funny.
Speaker 3: I love this because you said you never knew he
Speaker 3: wasn't on death Gennad something else I never wore as else.
Speaker 3: The glasses I wore were alter goliaths. They had the
Speaker 3: shape of the gazelles, but they never I never wore
Speaker 3: as else. Go back and look at all my pictures
Speaker 3: and before the offer and Leo had something to do
Speaker 3: with the altar garlias, before the alter calias. They were
Speaker 3: just my basic Cohen lenses that I was wearing the
Speaker 3: school wall, and Run was actually the guy that told
Speaker 3: me to wear the glasses because we went to I
Speaker 3: went to Catholic school my whole life, so I'm funny.
Speaker 3: I was always in the smart class. Rum was always
Speaker 3: in the other class because there was it was like
Speaker 3: one one one two two one two two. It's only
Speaker 3: two class and two grades for these class so Rum
Speaker 3: was always another class.
Speaker 2: I didn't know Run.
Speaker 3: The only reason Running I knew Running knew me is
Speaker 3: that when they do the rogue call in the morning
Speaker 3: and they founded the students things.
Speaker 2: You know what I said, Deborah Hamilton, So the whole
Speaker 2: school looks whole ship. That's never that's how you identify.
Speaker 3: So I'm in one day Joseph Simon, everybody, Oh that
Speaker 3: Joey the curly motherfucker, and then John mcdanels, Oh the
Speaker 3: big head motherfucker. Classes that read comic books and know
Speaker 3: how to jarge. So what had happened in eighth grade?
Speaker 3: This is how I mean and run at in eighth
Speaker 3: grade and we went to Saint Pascal Baylon Elementary School.
Speaker 3: It was the last Catholic school in the hood of Hollis.
Speaker 2: Wow. The nuns in the priests said, we can't give
Speaker 2: up on the black kids. We're gonna stay here for him.
Speaker 2: And they trooped that. We had a cool fucking basketball
Speaker 2: coach named Father Rudlaw who fucking left the priesthood because
Speaker 2: he found a black woman in the hood.
Speaker 3: Okay, so shout out the father.
Speaker 2: You know what I say. He was like, I ain't
Speaker 2: trying none of this pope shit and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Comrades abusing the kids.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out and give me some. So we
Speaker 2: had one rim in the bat in the school yard.
Speaker 3: And for the Catholic school kids, you couldn't go nowhere
Speaker 3: unless you went home and put on your play Clothes's
Speaker 3: in your uniform, yo, take your money, Smack you up
Speaker 3: sides your head.
Speaker 2: Take your kids. Are fucking mean. They would take other
Speaker 2: kid's shoes just to fucking take them and all that.
Speaker 3: So in eighth grade, David Mideachier, David mcgeecher comes to
Speaker 3: Saint Pascos and he's like six three and he dunks.
Speaker 2: On the rim and breaks it. So all the Catholic
Speaker 2: school we cried, hold on.
Speaker 3: You know, I got the best parents in the world,
Speaker 3: son of byfriend, brother of al Banna's. My mother runs
Speaker 3: my pal. It's McDaniel's, not McDonald's. These rhyms are darrels.
Speaker 3: Those Burghers are Ronald's. I ran down my family tree,
Speaker 3: my mother and father, my brother and me. I had
Speaker 3: the best parents in the world. My father put a
Speaker 3: rim in the backyard.
Speaker 2: So now don't cry, kids, The McDaniel's family got your back.
Speaker 2: Now all the kids after school could come to my house,
Speaker 2: which is like a five minute walter from school. Wow.
Speaker 3: So every every day after school it's about thirty kids
Speaker 3: from school playing ball. One particular day is just Joseph
Speaker 3: Simon home with his basketball. Comes over. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 3: we're Doug with Craig. Tell God to go to the dinners.
Speaker 3: Craig is on punishment. Okay, it's just me and you.
Speaker 3: So we play ball, right, one played one on one.
Speaker 3: I need to know who won this run? He was
Speaker 3: he was running, was running table the balls. I wasn't glad.
Speaker 3: I just played like you know, I just well, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to be cool.
Speaker 2: I'm a common real nerve.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm only playing ball for the same reason that I
Speaker 2: started fucking smoking weed and became an alcoholic. Now I
Speaker 2: didn't like I said no, So we played ball and
Speaker 2: we would get out of school too. Ten.
Speaker 3: My mother and father they get home from work at
Speaker 3: four pm. So when you was little, what was the
Speaker 3: rule when your parents wasn't home?
Speaker 2: No company? Yeah, no company, that's right kind now company.
Speaker 2: So what I usually do is when we finished playing ball,
Speaker 2: I go and get the juggle water. And you remember, Dixie,
Speaker 2: are they selling me cups?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You sure that not. I'm gonna be Daryl makes cups,
Speaker 2: bring back fucking cups. Don't wear disposable cups. Why is
Speaker 2: this Dixie stilling? Is this? It's how did the cookies
Speaker 2: in comic books. I'm just say she MOTHERFUCKERSNA say do
Speaker 2: that ship And I said, so run is the only
Speaker 2: kid this.
Speaker 3: So instead of bringing the water to him, I say,
Speaker 3: come in the house. So he comes in the house.
Speaker 3: He sees my brother's turntables and he goes, yo, do
Speaker 3: you do that?
Speaker 2: And I got to know because that was my hip
Speaker 2: hop to me was my little secret thing. But then
Speaker 2: he goes, yo, my brother is Russell Simmons this and
Speaker 2: they starts laying out to four women. Russell Simmons was
Speaker 2: known at this time huge. Okay, go ahead, continue, huge
Speaker 2: rush party.
Speaker 3: He was like, do you own the telephone poles? You
Speaker 3: ever see the flyers and the posters of the Rush party?
Speaker 3: So Russell was huge. Russell was known for arross was
Speaker 3: getting money.
Speaker 2: You know. Back then. He was like, I'm the son
Speaker 2: of Curtis Blow.
Speaker 3: So what we would do is before my mother and
Speaker 3: father come up, we played one game of basketball and
Speaker 3: going to basement and DJ.
Speaker 2: So that's how he knew that I had skilled.
Speaker 3: So when he was going to make a record as
Speaker 3: a solo artist because he was the son of Curtis Blow,
Speaker 3: Curtis Blower put out the Brakes, the first Christmas record
Speaker 3: DoD y'all know before Christmas in Hollis.
Speaker 2: It was a that was Curtis Christmas wrapping. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So run was always in Russel. Let me make a record,
Speaker 2: Let me make a record, Let me make a record,
Speaker 2: Let me make a record. Russell was like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no, you're too young. You're too young, too young.
Speaker 2: So Joe was persistent, and Russell says this to Joe. Okay, Joey,
Speaker 2: that's what Russell want to get last. Okay, Joey, you
Speaker 2: show me a high school diploma. I'll let you go
Speaker 2: in the studio and make a record. So Run was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. He was in what tenth grade,
Speaker 2: tenth grade, eleventh grade, twelfth grade. Here you go, Russell.
Speaker 2: So Run was going in the studio to make a record.
Speaker 3: He remembered the kid with the big hair and the
Speaker 3: glasses in the comic book dmc Darryl McDaniel's got some rhymes.
Speaker 2: So he calls me up, Chris, me and a group.
Speaker 2: That's what got me sitting here today. Well, like I
Speaker 2: wanted to do none of the show. I wrote rhymes
Speaker 2: for me, Nourie, not for you. They hate him.
Speaker 3: Shit, that's crazy, and I didn't want nobody that shit
Speaker 3: was like my diary.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me.
Speaker 3: This is damn near happened by accident.
Speaker 2: Run had a chance to go solo. He had a
Speaker 2: chance to do whatever he had a record court. He
Speaker 2: came over my house. He would he would come to
Speaker 2: my house and play me tape show last night. I
Speaker 2: was with Juelo Nation last night, I was with the
Speaker 2: Crash Crew. Shout out to the Crash Crew, one of
Speaker 2: the greatest groups in hip hop that they always forget about.
Speaker 2: He would show me these tapes of stuff. So he's
Speaker 2: I'm a fan and he's doing it. So I'm looking
Speaker 2: at him in awe and respect because he's doing He
Speaker 2: was with.
Speaker 3: Flash last night.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When he was going to make his record, he had
Speaker 3: a record called street Kid, I'm Just a street Kid.
Speaker 2: Street Kid, I'm just the street.
Speaker 3: Member rap used to be trying to make it and
Speaker 3: the music would play and sit like that, and he
Speaker 3: had his old record run out of his old raps,
Speaker 3: and I was like, O Joe and whatever whatever.
Speaker 2: But then he said, nah, fuck that DMC. I was
Speaker 2: int DMC. I was easy, D easy easy.
Speaker 3: They used to call me EASD because a rapt on
Speaker 3: a mic, so easily now they called me. I didn't
Speaker 3: become DMC. Tell Room put me in the group because
Speaker 3: then I had to go up another level. But that's
Speaker 3: a whole on story. So Run was going to be
Speaker 3: a solo artist, had a recon and everything was his
Speaker 3: name Run. Yeah, it was DJ Run, DJ DJ Run.
Speaker 3: But then when he was about to go in to
Speaker 3: get the deal, he said, nah, putting my man now.
Speaker 3: And he called me up and he was like you
Speaker 3: and he told me this in eighth grade, d whenever
Speaker 3: Russell lets me make a record, I'm putting you in
Speaker 3: my group now. I remember that when he said that
Speaker 3: shit to me, it was like a foreign language. The
Speaker 3: fuck you. I don't do this, you mold y'all motherfuckers
Speaker 3: do this. And he said watch.
Speaker 2: So this was eighth grade, ninth grade, tenth grade, eleventh grade,
Speaker 2: twelve grade. We went to totally different schools. Run and
Speaker 2: Jay went to Andrew Jackson including Aja Ball and like that.
Speaker 2: I went to a school called Right High.
Speaker 3: School, call what Rice High School one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: fourth Street and Lenox Avenue was boys Athletic School, Parl
Speaker 3: Memorial Rice High School. So during that time Joe is
Speaker 3: getting his deal together, I'm just in Rice High School.
Speaker 3: But the beautiful thing for me, what happened to me
Speaker 3: is the reason why I'm so passionate about hip hop.
Speaker 2: I understand this. There's a dichotomy with our culture. Now
Speaker 2: there's the music business and then there's the culture. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred and fifty thousand percent culture that just
Speaker 2: happens to be in the music business. So that's why
Speaker 2: I didn't talk that much in the beginning.
Speaker 3: Let run all the talk. I'm just going to say
Speaker 3: my rom and go to fuck home.
Speaker 2: So what happened to me was this, So Nouri and
Speaker 2: e I get to Rice High School. It's one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty fourth Street in Harlem, all boys, Catholic high school,
Speaker 2: congregation of Irish Christian brothers.
Speaker 3: But what is so unique about this? Now, I don't
Speaker 3: know what's about to happen to me. This is purpose
Speaker 3: and destiny. I just go to Rice because my best
Speaker 3: friend Doug told me, We're going to Rice. Motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I get to Rice. But I get to
Speaker 2: Rice the boys and girls. The boys because of the
Speaker 2: old boys school, they would go to Rice. They from
Speaker 2: the Bronx, They from Harlem, from Manhattan. So when I
Speaker 2: get to Rice in ninth grade, they got all of
Speaker 2: the performances of hip hop before rappers Delight. So Terrorce
Speaker 2: Washington would come at the end of every school week
Speaker 2: with a cassette tape holder, open it up and he
Speaker 2: would sell the tapes like it was drugs, and it
Speaker 2: would be in the school, in the school, in the school.
Speaker 2: And what was beautiful about the congregation of Irish Christian
Speaker 2: Brothers to connect with the black kids. This is a
Speaker 2: lesson for the educational something about they let us do
Speaker 2: our hip hop, They let us do our graffiti, They
Speaker 2: let they they wanted our right on them do all
Speaker 2: that shit. And by letting us doing that, we had
Speaker 2: great students, no trouble or did trouble. Sent kid was
Speaker 2: a straight a student because he got to rhyme and
Speaker 2: beat on the table, he got to do his art.
Speaker 2: But Terrence Washington would have you know Funky four plus
Speaker 2: one nineteen seventy nine, Wow, Curtis Blow nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 2: when Curtis Blow was Flash MC Grandmaster Flash in the
Speaker 2: Furious Four because Raheem wasn't in the group yet, because
Speaker 2: Raheem was a member of the Funky Four. So I'm
Speaker 2: saving my allowance because i didn't have a job, and
Speaker 2: I'm buying all of these tapes. So from ninth grade
Speaker 2: to twelfth grade, I'm getting the first and course on
Speaker 2: how to be this hip hop shit, not how to
Speaker 2: do it how to beat the ship. So long story
Speaker 2: show again. Twelfth grade. I'm graduating, set out my resume
Speaker 2: to all the schools I get home from to college school. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no emails back then. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's still using payphones all that shit. There's a letter
Speaker 2: says Saint John's University on it. I opened up the letter.
Speaker 3: We're probably to inform you, mister McDaniels, and I felt
Speaker 3: good that they called me mister.
Speaker 2: Oh just you know what I'm saying, like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: isn't it? But I was also scared because that means
Speaker 2: I gotta grow up right.
Speaker 3: Saint John's is still on Queen's Correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, still there, Stell there, fucking Lucronoseca and fucking Walter Burry.
Speaker 2: I said, oh shit, I got accepted to Saint John's University.
Speaker 2: I run past my mother and father with the letter
Speaker 2: down into the basement to my turntables, put on Apache,
Speaker 2: and I write my rhyme, I'm dmc not go because
Speaker 2: I wasn't in it. I'm going to Saint John's University
Speaker 2: since kindergarten our quiet and knowledge, and that was just
Speaker 2: then we just so you got the college letter and
Speaker 2: you go downstairs and you premeditate, right Ryn ship get
Speaker 2: that's that's iconic. B get you.
Speaker 3: I go back uptairs. Mom, I got accepted Saint John's University.
Speaker 3: But again in Saint John's University and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: The phone rings, it's Joe run the same day. It's
Speaker 3: not the same day I get in. This is probably
Speaker 3: like the like the first week, because I'm an orient
Speaker 3: orientation college. It's Joe, yo, what's up? Deep? Remember four
Speaker 3: years ago when I said, if Russell lets me make
Speaker 3: correct it, Yeah, grab your ron book, We're going to
Speaker 3: make correct it. We go to Green Street Recording Student.
Speaker 3: It's like that and Suckerham seas Russell goals around the labels.
Speaker 3: Every label tells them, noahccept this one independent called Profile Records.
Speaker 2: Profile Records takes a chance with us. Here I am today.
Speaker 2: And then we made singles. Remember hip hop was your singles.
Speaker 2: So then we made another single called hard Times Jam Message.
Speaker 2: And that's why I brung rustling with the commercial things
Speaker 2: like that. Everybody say I did it.
Speaker 3: Everybody say that. So we made hard Times. Check this out.
Speaker 3: This is how deep this sh it is.
Speaker 2: We made hard Times, which is a Curtis Blow song.
Speaker 2: It's one of the first hip hop remakes. We heard it.
Speaker 2: What was Yeah, it was a cover song. Curtis Ball
Speaker 2: had a song called hard Times on his album where
Speaker 2: he wrapped it.
Speaker 3: We took it and did it.
Speaker 2: It's like this.
Speaker 3: So but at that time when we made us like
Speaker 3: that seas, we didn't have j yet. That's why the
Speaker 3: group's just run DMC. So after we put it the
Speaker 3: circum seas out. The record is getting hot, it's blowing
Speaker 3: up on the radio. Circum Season is killing the street,
Speaker 3: and it's like that. It's becoming a head across the nation.
Speaker 3: But people thought he was an R and B group.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, know what they thought?
Speaker 2: We was kind of like the TIMEX social club type group.
Speaker 2: We go on the shows. We're opening for Marvin Gaye,
Speaker 2: God damn it. We opening for Parliament Funk of delic
Speaker 2: We open him for the ZZ Top. How was the
Speaker 2: reception in the audience?
Speaker 3: How were they? I tell you we had twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: He was opening for the Barcades and Confunction and the
Speaker 3: Gap Band and all that shit. So we had twenty
Speaker 3: minutes on these only and that is because it's like that.
Speaker 3: It's on the radio and it's like that. So they
Speaker 3: thought we was a band. Russell was getting this cause
Speaker 3: and then we sent us we'd show up at sound
Speaker 3: check me Larry Smith running Jay with.
Speaker 2: Two turntables and a record bag. They wouldn't let us
Speaker 2: in BECAUSEFC you know you ain't.
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking yo word knocking three and four
Speaker 3: times where the bouncers go, motherfuckers, if you knock on
Speaker 3: this fucking door again, but we'll run DMC. Don't get
Speaker 3: the fucking promoter this and the promoter came to the door.
Speaker 2: This is him. But the promoters we was getting like
Speaker 2: because they didn't know how y'all look it was a promoter. Yes,
Speaker 2: so you understand what time this was. This is crazy.
Speaker 3: And the promoters would always go, you mean to pay
Speaker 3: I'm paying you twenty five hundred dollars was a lot
Speaker 3: of and that's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, The pomos like, we're paying your twenty five hundred
Speaker 2: fucking dollars just to play records.
Speaker 3: We say, yep, So you want to know what the
Speaker 3: reception is. We got twenty minutes. All right, Jay, go
Speaker 3: out to ladies and gentlemen, run DMC. Crowdler's like, okay,
Speaker 3: we're a fucking bad y'all wants up.
Speaker 2: Your My name is Shane Massa jay boom, boom, boom,
Speaker 2: put your hands in the air, boom. Somebody say run
Speaker 2: call me called DMC. I call run out, yo, killing them,
Speaker 2: killing them to the point where sometimes the whole audience
Speaker 2: we have twenty minutes during the Marvin Gaye show, no, no,
Speaker 2: bring them back on the brow?
Speaker 7: Is that hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Hol It felt fucking crazy, amazing, and we was
Speaker 2: opening up for fucking Marvin. It's crazy. So that's also
Speaker 2: where our great showmanship came. And we was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: this audience is like loving this ship that we do.
Speaker 2: So we we're not trying to be the best entertainers.
Speaker 2: We're trying to be the best DJs in them sees
Speaker 2: motherfuckers we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Which set up all of that exhilaration and influence for
Speaker 3: everybody following us. You know what I'm saying, because now
Speaker 3: we are. But when we was doing that, we knew
Speaker 3: damn we representing the fucking culture right, And Jave was like,
Speaker 3: we always got to watch what we say and we
Speaker 3: would never go for any fake shit, no fucking sarand rapping,
Speaker 3: no parody ship. We always got to be live, like
Speaker 3: it was a huge responsibility, Like it was so dope.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to bounce around. It was so dope to
Speaker 2: see you and Run on stage. And then it was
Speaker 2: even it was even more passionate. It almost made me
Speaker 2: feel like my childhood because he distinguished that this is
Speaker 2: not Reverend Run on stage right he started cursing. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you know what I'm saying, Like to
Speaker 2: see that, and it was like my childhood, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I can understand that, Like I
Speaker 2: just I just was like it felt so right, like
Speaker 2: to see y'all together, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 2: the way you want to see us exactly and headlining
Speaker 2: goddamn Yankee Stadium before.
Speaker 3: We went on Run. It's like, yo, d I guess
Speaker 3: we did something that all these mother focus want us
Speaker 3: to go on. Yes, that's what I think, you know,
Speaker 3: and you know, and it's just the thing that we
Speaker 3: feel that that thing that makes snoop, that thing that
Speaker 3: makes on face is the thing that might not have
Speaker 3: been there if it wasn't for RENDYMC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fact. They could have.
Speaker 3: Would have died with flashing them, even to the point where,
Speaker 3: like I said, Flash and Melon, all of them was
Speaker 3: mad at us ntil he started seeing our interviews.
Speaker 2: We would talk about them. And when you say that
Speaker 2: it was a mattitude, you say because of the commercial
Speaker 2: appealed that you guys was because.
Speaker 3: It changed the shift that they created. Yeah, we telled
Speaker 3: the ship.
Speaker 2: We came with fucking Adidas angles and gold and you
Speaker 2: could go find there's pictures of meiling them with sheep
Speaker 2: sins and shit. Like even Calz always says, damn man,
Speaker 2: if we had put those routines on records right nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty one and before this year is done, then motherfuckers
Speaker 2: said that's crazy. Catz said, and this is good for
Speaker 2: this time. What he said, anyone can ride around, he said,
Speaker 2: any this is what the rappers should be saying now.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 3: Anyone could write a rap and say yes, sure, but
Speaker 3: a real MC you do not call because you can't
Speaker 3: ride a rhyme at a quarter to two to be
Speaker 3: a real MC before the jam is true. For all
Speaker 3: you MC's that are like that, you gotta take a
Speaker 3: lesson from the good old Cap. You need a voice
Speaker 3: that is clear, a DJ like Chase, a good imagination
Speaker 3: and a strong, steady pace. You gotta have both feet
Speaker 3: on the ground and you can't be a duck. You
Speaker 3: gotta be down. You gotta represent the hood at all times. Plush,
Speaker 3: you gotta have tough and original rocks.
Speaker 2: Put all that together and you know what it brings
Speaker 2: The grand Master and I'm a running thing.
Speaker 3: So JD l hat over Big Beat.
Speaker 2: So we was like, we're gonna do this ship. You
Speaker 2: not fucking doing them.
Speaker 4: You're really influenced by them, that's the thing. But it
Speaker 4: was influenced by them.
Speaker 2: Yes, we Peter Piper, Pick Peppers.
Speaker 3: It was a party nine. Everybody was come on. Imagine
Speaker 3: if that was meiling a national record before the message,
Speaker 3: then it would be able to be doing that record
Speaker 3: and then the message. So that's why when we came along,
Speaker 3: we didn't want to separate what hip hop is.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Even Mo D before he battled out, most people know
Speaker 3: Mod from when he was a regarding artist, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But before that, Mod and the motherfuckers
Speaker 3: was Beace. You know what I'm saying. It's like the
Speaker 3: old school isn't a time period. The old school is
Speaker 3: a consciousness of how you present yourself, and that could
Speaker 3: be as a DJ could be, as an MC could be,
Speaker 3: as a graffiti artists could be as a break dancer.
Speaker 3: But if you break it down, could be as the music,
Speaker 3: could be, as the language, could be as the art,
Speaker 3: or could be as the fashion of it.
Speaker 2: So we knew we always got to be those elements.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you something because at one point, like
Speaker 2: when you hear like Eric being rock Kim, like the
Speaker 2: DJ came like before the act and the DJ was
Speaker 2: so much important, and then at some point it almost
Speaker 2: seemed like the DJ was obsolete. It seemed like nobody
Speaker 2: kids about the DJ more as opposed to your era,
Speaker 2: where the djk every minute. I was gonna say, we
Speaker 2: made hard times, right, So now we're doing all of
Speaker 2: these shows, barkads, Barkad's.
Speaker 3: Confunction and this and that. So the question is, Okay,
Speaker 3: I know that's Run and that's d MC, or okay,
Speaker 3: that's Run, that's d Where's and where's C? Where's the band?
Speaker 3: So there was confusion. They were C Run, DMC and
Speaker 3: the street people on stage.
Speaker 2: Who's that back there? Why is it? Why is that
Speaker 2: guy back there?
Speaker 3: Oh, y'all need and y'all need to know what this
Speaker 3: ship is doing.
Speaker 2: So I'm the run.
Speaker 3: Put me in the group because all I did was
Speaker 3: eat sleep hip hop.
Speaker 2: All I did eat sleep hip hop tapes. Who's the
Speaker 2: new tape? Who's a new song? He hated me because
Speaker 2: I would listen to the corny shit. But I wasn't
Speaker 2: trying to let anything get right exactly. I was like,
Speaker 2: this ship is on the record, It's gotta be some
Speaker 2: reason why this should be on earth. It might not
Speaker 2: even been the rabbit, might have just been the beat sound.
Speaker 2: So I was like the scientist of the group. So
Speaker 2: everybody was asking me, why is it three people? Don't
Speaker 2: worry j I got you. When we put j first down,
Speaker 2: he was jazzy J. Jazzy J.
Speaker 3: He can't be jazzy j J. I'm I'm I go
Speaker 3: to write song. Jay, you can't be Jazzy J. That's biting,
Speaker 3: you know. And Jay's so you know, Jaseke's looking at me.
Speaker 3: It's weird, motherfucker just biting you. You can't do that.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. J I got you. So I went home
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, what we're gonna call it? Jason.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, if you remember, the jam had
Speaker 2: two meetings back then, So DJ play my favorite jam.
Speaker 3: This right is the record and jar last night. Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Jay's the master of it all, and
Speaker 2: it just so happened his name was JA. So when
Speaker 2: I said he's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be he can't be the grand Master. We got
Speaker 3: a bunch of those motherfuckers. Definitely can't be grand with it,
Speaker 3: Like you can fuck with grand Mess, but you've got
Speaker 3: grahams it and you've got grand Mixer. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: my whole thing is I gotta even now at fifty
Speaker 3: nine years old, we gotta take caip up one more
Speaker 3: step than nobody hasn't done. So I was like, we're
Speaker 3: gonna name him the jam Master. So I go back
Speaker 3: to Janie College.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jay, I got it.
Speaker 3: Drum roll, your name is gonna be the jam master J.
Speaker 3: You see the way that hit jam master J.
Speaker 2: And then Jay's funny, he said, he says it to
Speaker 2: herself like this is gonna be in a movie, the
Speaker 2: active playing J gotta go master, and should motherfucker went out.
Speaker 2: I got a JMJ JJJ. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: so all of the it's like you said, all of
Speaker 2: the pieces were just falling in place, all right, And
Speaker 2: you and you used to DJ as well. Before run
Speaker 2: came in my basement, I had every Marvel comic book
Speaker 2: in existence.
Speaker 3: Stan Lee shut out to stan Lee. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you what. My brother still got his. Stan Lee
Speaker 3: created d m C. Stan Here's crazy. Stanley in the
Speaker 3: cold Crush created m C. But I had a huge
Speaker 3: All I used to do was read collect drawer, read
Speaker 3: collect draw Batman, Flash Green Lantern were all cool.
Speaker 2: But what was bad about d C was like, I
Speaker 2: don't like fake ship. I hate fake ship. So d
Speaker 2: C was cool to superhero but d C had a
Speaker 2: fake Metropolis and a fake god my mother trying to
Speaker 2: be New York. Stan Lee blew my fucking mind. He
Speaker 2: put to superheroes really right, So that ship is real
Speaker 2: to me. Spider Man from Wiside Queen, Yeah, sorry, I
Speaker 2: wasn't shouting out Queen's my whole record creator rep the
Speaker 2: fucking hood. I was shouting at because spider Man comes
Speaker 2: from where I come from. When I found I was,
Speaker 2: oh ship, you know what I'm saying. The other dude,
Speaker 2: he shouting grew. I don't know that shit. I can't
Speaker 2: leave the block.
Speaker 3: But I'm all I did was recollect and your comic books.
Speaker 3: So when hip hop came over the bridge from the Bronx.
Speaker 3: My brother's older than me, fifteen, the kids fifteen, eighteen
Speaker 3: years old, all of a sudden, everybody's getting turntables and
Speaker 3: queens in my neighborhood. And I remember Anthony Wallace was
Speaker 3: the first of my brother's friends to get turntable, but
Speaker 3: he had to make ship set. He had the BSR turntable,
Speaker 3: but the other mitchmatch one from your mother's high five stereo.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 3: Anthley was dope.
Speaker 2: He would take all the speakers and make his own
Speaker 2: sound system, so he had the creative records. He had
Speaker 2: all that bam shit. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: was full of bam shit. I ain't know what it was.
Speaker 3: And yet and then Booby Long, my brother's other friend. See,
Speaker 3: Booby had it better than me and my brother because
Speaker 3: you couldn't get no turntables back in the days.
Speaker 2: If you didn't sell reefer, right, guys, all right, cool,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put people there. You don't sell reefer,
Speaker 2: You're not a stick up kid. You don't rob houses
Speaker 2: and you don't steal cars. So me and my brother
Speaker 2: we Catholic.
Speaker 3: School, you know, suburban queens. Motherfuckers. We ain't got no money.
Speaker 3: But then my brother goes yo, and it was for him.
Speaker 3: He comes to me one day, Yo, Daryl, man, he's weed,
Speaker 3: but it's really him. We gotta get turned right, and
Speaker 3: he's like looking around the fucking attic at my shit,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh no, we need oh mother. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 3: come on, man, we gotta get turntables. This hip hop shit.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's doing whatever whatever.
Speaker 2: So I give in.
Speaker 3: So we do a comic book sale, right, and I
Speaker 3: checked this out. This is seventh grade, before run even
Speaker 3: came playball. We do a comic book sale. The McDaniels
Speaker 3: brothers is doing a comic book sales.
Speaker 2: So the doorbell was ringing all day.
Speaker 3: All we need to do is get one turntable because
Speaker 3: we had a high five system and a forty dollars
Speaker 3: Gemini mix up and down one the lowest one and
Speaker 3: then cross me. So we gotta get that. The doorbells
Speaker 3: ringing all days. Kiss from my neighborhood. Kiss from a
Speaker 3: school doorbell rings. It's Joseph Simmons. The other kid from
Speaker 3: the other class comes in with his friend Harold. He
Speaker 3: buys comic books and he goes home eight I mean
Speaker 3: a year later that happens.
Speaker 2: So we by the turntables. We get to turntables in
Speaker 2: the basement. Everybody's djaming, right, So I hear a Grand
Speaker 2: Master Flash tape of him spinning good times. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When I'm fourteen years old, So I hear this Grandmaster
Speaker 3: flash tape. The thing that caught my eye was Flash and.
Speaker 2: The comic book that's my fucking name is itself flash Tention.
Speaker 2: Now you know what I'm saying. It probably was always
Speaker 2: there because it was blocklast Gordon at right, Flash not Flash.
Speaker 2: Flash and a comic Bookarabos was my connection with that.
Speaker 2: So I hear Grandmaster flashap and he's spending good times,
Speaker 2: good times. Boom boom, but no boom boom boom, boom bron.
Speaker 3: Now you usually prior to the hip hop the DJ's
Speaker 3: is the block parties were the older DJs who would
Speaker 3: just play the records all the way through, play the
Speaker 3: record or the trou So I'm here in this flash
Speaker 3: tape this good Time's break comes, then it comes again.
Speaker 3: Now there's no video of this ship and it's just
Speaker 3: on the box playing and it does it again, good time,
Speaker 3: good time, and he makes it go.
Speaker 2: Good good, good good.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I gotta learn how to do that ship.
Speaker 3: So my brother when we brought the turntables, he scratch
Speaker 3: with my no that came. No, he's being brother who
Speaker 3: used my comic books to get this turntable, tells me
Speaker 3: this is big brother shit.
Speaker 2: Yo, when I'm not home, don't touch my turn what.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at that empty attic and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck you mean my turn to? I don't say this.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking this ship. But did I he sold
Speaker 2: your comic books to get Every time he would.
Speaker 3: Leave, I would go on the basement and I'm trying
Speaker 3: to figure out how flat.
Speaker 2: Like Step Brothers. You see the movie Step Brothers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would go.
Speaker 3: Down in the basement to a touch of ship. So
Speaker 3: I learned to DJ Good Times. I learned the DJ
Speaker 3: super sperm soup soups. I learned the DJ Paradise.
Speaker 2: It's very nice, paraded, Yeah, I got nice.
Speaker 3: So in my basement, norry. Before I was M. C.
Speaker 3: Eazy D like the m cum ship didn't come yet.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear that ship yet. I was grand Master
Speaker 3: to get high in my basement. Grandmaster, Yeah, because you
Speaker 3: didn't right now, you didn't need to read for alcohol
Speaker 3: to get intoxicated because my music was in.
Speaker 2: You know, so ding.
Speaker 3: When Joe came in my basement, I showed him with Grandmaster,
Speaker 3: Grandmaster get high. I could do me writing rhymes to
Speaker 3: where Joe discovered it when he saw after hanging with
Speaker 3: me came about because of this.
Speaker 2: I had heard spoony g the spoony gs. Okay, spoony
Speaker 2: gm boom boom, you say one for the oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: y'are a freak freak y'all. And I was driving down
Speaker 2: the street on the storm at night and then up
Speaker 2: the head. It was a terrible fight. It was a
Speaker 2: big Finally, so I heard spoony Gee's first one with
Speaker 2: the whistle work in the base of woom boom boom.
Speaker 3: So I had heard that, still didn't care about it yet.
Speaker 3: Then right after I heard that, I heard Rappers of Light.
Speaker 3: So everybody is getting turntables and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: this record rappers. The light is everywhere, But I still
Speaker 3: didn't care until I had Big Bang Hanks rhyme about Superman.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, like, I don't care about hip hop to
Speaker 3: him because people that mod talks about this too. At
Speaker 3: that time, I didn't notice there was an older hip
Speaker 3: hop and the younger hip hop. There was the DJ
Speaker 3: Hollywoods and the Eddie Cheebers and the Pete DJ Jones
Speaker 3: and those. There was the disco DJ rapping man, clap
Speaker 3: your hands.
Speaker 2: I'm in the disco. It was all disco, just sto
Speaker 2: he I'm a rapping man and on my hands. So
Speaker 2: it was those dudes, you know what I'm saying, The
Speaker 2: rappers the Light.
Speaker 3: That first rhyme was that to me, But then I
Speaker 3: heard Banks rhyme, not knowing that I would discover later
Speaker 3: on when the Cold Crush tapes came out dude that
Speaker 3: wrote that, but his was different.
Speaker 2: Emp to them. The ladies pimp the women, fight for
Speaker 2: my delight because I'm the grand master with the three
Speaker 2: because he was grand Master Kaz and he had he
Speaker 2: was a DJ and stuff that so long, Sir short,
Speaker 2: I hear Rappers the Light and the only reason I
Speaker 2: listen to Rappers of Light.
Speaker 3: Put it on the record and listen to it three
Speaker 3: times from start to finish.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: But that got me in trouble because now all the
Speaker 3: bullies and the hard rocks, you know, thugs, they were
Speaker 3: put hard rocks back.
Speaker 2: He got a fresh nigg and he walk hard. You
Speaker 2: gonna watch out put all rocks, you know, say go
Speaker 2: down the block. That's me.
Speaker 3: But now by me knowing Rappers of Light from start
Speaker 3: to finish, your motherfucker come over here.
Speaker 2: Sing Rappers.
Speaker 3: Wasn't a box around and how was that dude? So
Speaker 3: this happened on My brother brought Rappers the Light home,
Speaker 3: and I tell the story of the time. It was
Speaker 3: very attractive, light blue label with the rainbow, so it
Speaker 3: stood out. A couple of weeks later, he brings home
Speaker 3: this land. It was a white cutcase. In the red label.
Speaker 3: It just said in joy right.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So I'm busy doing the grand Master Flash it I
Speaker 3: read the label. It says grand Master Flash and the
Speaker 3: Furies Fire.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh ship, what the fuck like I'm trying
Speaker 2: to do that? Now?
Speaker 3: He got other motherfucker. But I didn't know what was
Speaker 3: about to happen to me. There was Grandmaster flashing Furries five,
Speaker 3: and I was like Okay, my brother put that ship
Speaker 3: on the turntable.
Speaker 2: Now if you put.
Speaker 3: Rappers of Light on Bloom Gloom. But it was dope
Speaker 3: because nobody was hearing it when you first heard that ship.
Speaker 2: But it ain't this ship. My father put that shit on.
Speaker 2: This ship said it was a party night. Everybody was
Speaker 2: breaking in the highs. What's screaming in the base, what's
Speaker 2: shaking in It won't be long till everybody knowing that
Speaker 2: flashes on the be box going and and then it
Speaker 2: goes shinin down. Now, if you listen to Rappers the Light,
Speaker 2: this ship is a long ash record eight minutes right
Speaker 2: with three motherfuckers rhyming individually, very long rhymes.
Speaker 3: My motherfucker go third month, second, third, break and do.
Speaker 2: It all again. This shit says shot out now and
Speaker 2: then the voice says this this blue my mom. I
Speaker 2: had heard Eddie Cheeba shout out to him one of
Speaker 2: the first radio hip hop radio shows. He was on
Speaker 2: w f u V.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get it in Queens unless I turned the
Speaker 3: antenna a certain way, but it was still statically. So
Speaker 3: I had first heard, excuse me, I had first heard
Speaker 3: Eddie Cheevers saying rhyme. He said, when you mess around
Speaker 3: in New York Town, you go down with the disco
Speaker 3: Chieber clown.
Speaker 2: You go down, go down, go down. You just keep
Speaker 2: the pep. It was very inspirational too. Keep the pep
Speaker 2: in your step. You don't stop till you get on
Speaker 2: the mountain top. And when you reach the top, you
Speaker 2: reach the peak. And then he says, that's when you
Speaker 2: hear Eddie Cheeber speak. And I'm like this motherfucker on
Speaker 2: top of mountains. You know, I'm a kid. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm it's going at the box. But this shit said,
Speaker 3: shot on now. And then the voice goes Italian, Caucasian, Japanese, Spanish, Indian,
Speaker 3: knee grow v at the knees, M see this jockeys,
Speaker 3: y'all fly kids for the young ladies.
Speaker 2: And then the beat drop, and this motherfucker said, introducing
Speaker 2: the crew, you got to see the belief. Five different
Speaker 2: voices were one, two, three, four, five, and sees. The
Speaker 2: first motherfucker said, I'm Melly Mail and a rocket so well.
Speaker 2: The second motherfucker said, and I'm missing this because I
Speaker 2: rocked the best. Third dude said rahem and all the
Speaker 2: ladies dreaming and the fourth dude said cow boy, and
Speaker 2: I make it jump for joy in the fifth dude
Speaker 2: just yells creole. The other forur motherfucker's gonna solid gold
Speaker 2: kid creole. They're going playing a role. And then Mel says,
Speaker 2: dig this where the furrious five plus grand Master flash
Speaker 2: giving you a blast to show enough class. So to
Speaker 2: prove to you all that was second enough, We're gonna
Speaker 2: make five MC sound like one. I went running, get
Speaker 2: me up.
Speaker 3: I'm running in the house getting me up.
Speaker 2: So that day this is how it became easy D
Speaker 2: in my basement. In my basement, I'm grand Master get high.
Speaker 2: But that just taught me the DJ. The grand Master
Speaker 2: has these rappers, so I also became MC easy D.
Speaker 2: I was my own MC in my basement. Oh shit.
Speaker 2: So by the time Run call, all of that shit
Speaker 2: was piled up.
Speaker 3: That's why I run said grab you around book when
Speaker 3: going to the studio, So all I had to do
Speaker 3: when it was time to make records, Run had the
Speaker 3: idea for us like that, Yo, we're gonna make he
Speaker 3: called me up. Yo, We're gonna write a record about
Speaker 3: how the world is. Because I was a straight a student,
Speaker 3: just write a bunch of rounds about how the world
Speaker 3: is cool.
Speaker 2: So we go in the studio.
Speaker 3: We make it like that, unemployed switching off stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Russell's still not impressed with me. People don't notice. Originally
Speaker 3: I think, I think search talk to you about this.
Speaker 3: Originally he's there, I saw that episode.
Speaker 2: Huh, he said. Run was originally a solo group.
Speaker 3: What Russell was gonna do is remember the early disco
Speaker 3: records where the fat black lady would sing, but the
Speaker 3: pretty model girls would go in to wash. So Russell
Speaker 3: let me make and perform in the studio. It's like
Speaker 3: that with Joe, but he was going to tour by hisself.
Speaker 3: And it was lucky I was Run DMC because if
Speaker 3: I didn't work out, it would have been Run the MC.
Speaker 3: So but this is what happened.
Speaker 2: We do it like that cool, and Russell was like,
Speaker 2: yode ghost to fuck down, get out the way.
Speaker 4: He's about to be the first ghost writer, not the first,
Speaker 4: but a ghost writer basically.
Speaker 3: So Run goes in there. He got sucking seeds already written.
Speaker 3: Why do you think he rhyme three times on a
Speaker 3: record that was one of his solo records for his career.
Speaker 3: So he go and drop the rhymes and then he
Speaker 3: comes out to booth and he says, d going in
Speaker 3: saying rhyme, and I go, nah man, trying to get
Speaker 3: me in trouble with this because Russell would come and
Speaker 3: after I made this, like russellould be on some ship
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: You know you're still here. It's like his whole ship
Speaker 2: was for his brother.
Speaker 3: He had, oh ship, Curtis Blow, You're gonna go to
Speaker 3: Europe just and that. Matter of fact, here's what's crazy
Speaker 3: runs D and and one of the reasons Runs wanted
Speaker 3: me in the group.
Speaker 2: And he was crying to me.
Speaker 3: Russell was going to have and she's documented in in London,
Speaker 3: there was a DJ named DJ Lady Blue and she
Speaker 3: was She was one of the first people to play
Speaker 3: hip hop. Russell was gonna make Lady Blue Runs DJ.
Speaker 3: But Lady Blue had a pantomime pop dancer, Crazy Ship,
Speaker 3: a pantomime locker dancer, and.
Speaker 2: Run with good. You gotta be in the group. He
Speaker 2: says to go, I want to be from the Pandemon
Speaker 2: saying back then it was like.
Speaker 3: So Brun says, motherfucker, just go in the booth and
Speaker 3: say your new rhyme.
Speaker 2: So I go in the room.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pass the mic with you, DMC. And if
Speaker 3: you're ready to people rock and steady. You're driving big cars.
Speaker 3: Get your gash from Getty, say something, motherfucker. So I'm
Speaker 3: in the boob.
Speaker 2: Okay, he going there, he lays it. I go in
Speaker 2: the booth.
Speaker 3: And then what did I do When I got my
Speaker 3: acceptance letter? He said, say your newest rhyme. I'm DMC
Speaker 3: and the place to be ill go to Saint John's University.
Speaker 3: And since kennygarn And out cried the knowledge and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna Shay Collins, I'm lights. That was really funny. People
Speaker 3: say you ain't light back then, I was like lighter.
Speaker 2: I'll show you.
Speaker 3: Be cause you ain't light skinned.
Speaker 2: No, back then I was really nice. No, I was red,
Speaker 2: like you could touch my skin. And on the turn
Speaker 2: I was light.
Speaker 3: So I kicked the rhyme of Larry Smith Roddy Hew
Speaker 3: engineer at Green Street.
Speaker 2: They're fucking losing it. But hold on, let me stop
Speaker 2: you for a second. Do you know how legendary that
Speaker 2: rhyme is? So you're telling me that's your first rhyme
Speaker 2: on record, can we say that over the town? The
Speaker 2: whole one I'm DMC in the place to be. I'll
Speaker 2: go to Saint Johne University. And since Kindergartland, I quiet
Speaker 2: and knowledge that the twelfth grade I went straight to college.
Speaker 2: I'm light skin. I love in Queens. I love it
Speaker 2: live in Queens. I love each chicken and college. Hold on, yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody was doing that ship right.
Speaker 3: That was like I thought I owned.
Speaker 2: I was only a nigga eat chicken colle Queens at
Speaker 2: that time. And I said, wait a minute, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the beauty on my round. I dressed to kill. I
Speaker 2: love this stuff imming them. You know who's versatile, said,
Speaker 2: got good credit in your regards. I got my name,
Speaker 2: not numbers on my credit cards. Go uptown a come
Speaker 2: back home with foo, me and myself and my microphone.
Speaker 3: All my rhyms a sweet delight. So here's another one
Speaker 3: for y'all to bite. When a rhyme, I never quit
Speaker 3: and then forgot a new rhyme.
Speaker 2: I'll just say it because it takes a lot to entertain,
Speaker 2: and sucking cease can be a pain.
Speaker 3: You can't rock a party with a hip in hop.
Speaker 3: You gotta let him know you'll never stop. Your rhym's
Speaker 3: gotta make a lot of sense. You gotta know when
Speaker 3: to start one the beast coming.
Speaker 2: That one verse.
Speaker 3: It's like my introduction and my solidification.
Speaker 2: But here's a man dollar question. Yep, did you have
Speaker 2: good credit back then?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: I have no credit. I ain't no credit. Sorry.
Speaker 3: What the beauty about hip hoty? You don't realize how
Speaker 3: prophetic it is? All of before recorded wrap? What didn't meld?
Speaker 3: What did the first five four, Cold Course, Fantastic five,
Speaker 3: Crash Crew, Treacherous, three, Busy Beat, Starsky Love Books, Starsky.
Speaker 2: Uh spoony g? What did they all prophesy?
Speaker 3: Rock, shocking, amazing and make you feel shame one day?
Speaker 2: Our names that we found in the Hall of Fame, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they predicted it. Yeah. Man. So speaking on prediction, ship,
Speaker 2: my whole ship came from stan Lee because if you
Speaker 2: if you look at Wu Tang with the alter egos
Speaker 2: on the stocks that ship. Yeah, so we are all
Speaker 2: products of pop culture.
Speaker 3: All as I said before you, Yes, I'm cold crushed, Yes,
Speaker 3: all the metal songs that are there, but I'm also
Speaker 3: the Brady Bunch and Adams Fan and the Flintstones. All
Speaker 3: of that ship is like a part of me and
Speaker 3: Jeffersons and the Jeffersons and Archie Bunker.
Speaker 2: Queens.
Speaker 3: Fucking yes, the Honeymooners.
Speaker 2: On Sunday and.
Speaker 3: What's what's my girl?
Speaker 2: What's my girl? Lucy? All right, that's the first Cuban
Speaker 2: exactly when you be a Dominican too, you're talking about
Speaker 2: Chester you and me? Was wrong? No, it was he
Speaker 2: was about to say that.
Speaker 4: Day. He was like, we went before we get into
Speaker 4: that point, before we leave the Stanley's. Did did you
Speaker 4: get to meet Stanley? When I met him two times?
Speaker 4: We became homeboys. And it's crazy that because obviously this
Speaker 4: is you know, comic books were a passion that you
Speaker 4: sold stuff that was your passion for another passion and
Speaker 4: the full circle. Now come back and be able to
Speaker 4: do something that you were about and not planning on
Speaker 4: that crazy, that's Miles.
Speaker 2: But stan Lee came out and he talked, I go
Speaker 2: to schools and I talk about this ship. How did
Speaker 2: you meet him at Comic Connor said, I gotta go, mister,
Speaker 2: you're like some nurse. Listen, if you go over comic books,
Speaker 2: that's the really you gotta know about that weekend. You
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta be in tune to know about you
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna be honest. I watched uh arentearage
Speaker 2: where they where they went to comic com everybody is
Speaker 2: dressed like the superheroes that they like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, superheroes is comic books, as TV shows, the Star Wars,
Speaker 3: it's all of that ship. But stan Lee taught me
Speaker 3: something that set me up greatly to to fucking prosper
Speaker 3: in this ship. And I tell cares about this.
Speaker 2: Stan Lee taught me like when when when when I
Speaker 2: was reading the comic books, and I'm a school kid,
Speaker 2: so I was like, you know what the funk? I
Speaker 2: gotta know what the adjective is for. But the fact
Speaker 2: that I got taught with the adjective for, I noticed,
Speaker 2: if you notice what all the superheroes they ain't just
Speaker 2: who they are. If I say the amazing, you'll say
Speaker 2: if I say the amazing, you'll say.
Speaker 4: If I say the invincible, you'll say incredible, Hulk incredible.
Speaker 2: If I say incredible, you'll say the guy to him,
Speaker 2: or if I say mighty. So Stanley, tell who you are.
Speaker 3: Find an adjective this powerful, productive and positive, and put
Speaker 3: it before it so I get to rise high school.
Speaker 3: Spider Man's amazing, Iron Man's invincible Hulk is incredible, Thora
Speaker 3: is mighty. So I get to Rice High School now
Speaker 3: and I'm realizing, oh, this shit ain't just about making records.
Speaker 3: It's just like some real cultural way of life shit.
Speaker 3: So I'm buying all the tapes from Terrence Washington and
Speaker 3: this is twelfth grade now, so nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
Speaker 3: because I'm spending all my money on these tapes hearing
Speaker 3: the beats. When I was a kid, I grew up
Speaker 3: loving seventies rock radio. I'm here in Theodore and Bam
Speaker 3: and all of them used to break rock records to
Speaker 3: wrap over run MC didn't great rock wrap dated. We
Speaker 3: just did in the record and got all the money.
Speaker 2: Well, you popularized it, right. So I get the twelfth
Speaker 2: grade and there's one tape in the middle of the
Speaker 2: cassette thing. It says twelve dollars. I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 2: ain't got twelve dollars. Was that expecific back then? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 2: what was the tape? Five dollars? Yeah, the typical tapes
Speaker 2: was three to seven. Oh okay, oh wow, And that's good.
Speaker 2: Just you get caught, but.
Speaker 3: You're getting You're not a kid fight dolls in that era. Yeah,
Speaker 3: is there no fucking money and you broke it. Shit,
Speaker 3: I'm lying every day. My father was like starting to
Speaker 3: bug out on me. It was like, how come every
Speaker 3: day you fucking need a book?
Speaker 2: Dad? I need so you buy it. Tape somebody takes.
Speaker 3: But there was the one tape in the middle and
Speaker 3: that just said twelve dollars and it says c C
Speaker 3: four versus the Fantastic five. At harlemor So, I asked
Speaker 3: Tim and show what's that one?
Speaker 2: You can't have that one? No time with it. They
Speaker 2: don't even pay attention to that one. Wow.
Speaker 3: And then he hits me with this CEC is Cold Crush. Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't know that yet, Like, what's the CC four
Speaker 3: because I'm used to Treacher Street right, Funky four plus one,
Speaker 3: Fantastic five, first five, double trouble. He goes, that's the
Speaker 3: Cold Crush four. Now I had never heard. Fuck, it's
Speaker 3: the Now why can't it be the Fantastic for it?
Speaker 3: He says, you can't have that one?
Speaker 2: Now you know I want it.
Speaker 3: That was it's like telling us, now, what are you
Speaker 3: gonna do one?
Speaker 2: That's what you want? Cold Crush four vers The Fantastic five,
Speaker 2: And had the world you can't have that one yo.
Speaker 2: I gotta have that one man. Yo, I got eight
Speaker 2: dollars like he was, okay, here take this ship.
Speaker 3: You owe me four dollars, Get the fuck away from
Speaker 3: me like type like I took that ship home. Note
Speaker 3: heard yes, yes, y'are to the beach.
Speaker 2: Y'all Apache, super Sperm, Coumo d with the super Duper Party,
Speaker 2: Pooper Man with full of super due for disco band
Speaker 2: fast Fire and all of that ship.
Speaker 3: I hurd melly mal. I heard Shah Rock who inspired me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got my style. Using an echo
Speaker 2: from Shah Rock. A girl female, you say, I heard
Speaker 2: her go to all of you. My name is shah
Speaker 2: not a millionaire. I want to do that jay so Ja,
Speaker 2: my name is dm C see all time great great,
Speaker 2: but the most round rounds New York State, producing yap
Speaker 2: from Sharrock. I have Wow Rock you never smoked weed?
Speaker 2: You wo remember everything? No, it is smoked weed and
Speaker 2: he didn't some cocaine.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the picture.
Speaker 2: He was a rock. I said, you know, we didn't
Speaker 2: know get down like twenty second Street. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Forget, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: So I take this tape home and and and I
Speaker 3: remember when I played it for Joe too, it had
Speaker 3: the same effect. I put the tape on and my
Speaker 3: brother Samuel Box not too speaking. This single one for boomboxes.
Speaker 3: You know hip hop's crazy ear ring jukie ear rings.
Speaker 3: So this is before the Boom Boom box, okay everywhere.
Speaker 3: My brother didn't have enough money to look at Boom yet. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I put the ship on. This ship goes what's up?
Speaker 2: Fly Girls? No, what's up fly guy? Her little fly girls.
Speaker 3: It's the big throw down at Harlem World called Crush
Speaker 3: four versus Fantastic five. They ain't no cop.
Speaker 2: We'll eat them alive because we're the best when it
Speaker 2: comes to wrapping. And like the fly I said, it
Speaker 2: is bound to happen. So the bat time is now.
Speaker 3: Let the battle begin and let the crowd be the
Speaker 3: judge off who win, because we don't need tuxedos, because
Speaker 3: all we want to do is Dog Kevin Dot Master,
Speaker 3: Robin Whip and Ruby D like we always do, say
Speaker 3: what we bad Old Fantastic and here's a little gift
Speaker 3: so before they go, they all can know.
Speaker 2: Just who they're fucking that ship, like whoa what this is?
Speaker 2: And then it was where Charlie chased Tony Tone and
Speaker 2: I never heard this, the cold crushing, mother fucking tough
Speaker 2: ast for MC. Charlie chases to the Puerto Rican. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican DJ named John once again North, give me
Speaker 2: a pen, right, give me a pain, changing all of
Speaker 2: that living queens, and I'm just and that shit. I'm
Speaker 2: getting ready to fucking destroy motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Devastating by control of DMC and carectation. But here's what
Speaker 3: the reason why I made the comic book Amazing, Spider Man, Incredible,
Speaker 3: Hulk Invincible.
Speaker 2: I am inn.
Speaker 3: On that tape, they had names the Hutton Maker, J
Speaker 3: D L, The Almighty KD, the Girl Take It Easy
Speaker 3: a D.
Speaker 2: So I'm in Rice High School. I'm listening to this tape.
Speaker 2: I'm taking typing and that's the end of a letter.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to type your initials, right, So I'm still
Speaker 2: easy D. They drop rocking in the pocket Joom koom
Speaker 2: joom jen joom doom joom jun j joom dune joom
Speaker 2: jin juomo joo jump. Then they go, we're not talking
Speaker 2: about your mother, your mother, not talking about your uncle,
Speaker 2: your uncle, not talking about your father, your father, not
Speaker 2: your mother, no other, no other other other, and then
Speaker 2: over rocking in the pocket they start doing Yeah, all
Speaker 2: the other MC's can't deal with us because we are
Speaker 2: the four and on as the cold crush, putting fellas
Speaker 2: on the jock making fly girls rock. You know, we
Speaker 2: got a funky song and you can come and sing
Speaker 2: and dance up. Guse you g We got the two
Speaker 2: ms two DJs on the wheels are steal Charlie chasing
Speaker 2: tony tone at the top of the field telling all
Speaker 2: the competition got the b for real. We rock a
Speaker 2: party to the break of day, and this since our
Speaker 2: sound one we play. We are the four mcs with
Speaker 2: the most respect and if you want to throw joints,
Speaker 2: you gotta come correct. We might have to take you
Speaker 2: out and keep your crew in check because the CC
Speaker 2: four is number one. They got the walk before you won.
Speaker 2: What hell?
Speaker 3: The initials of my name g MC and it's gonna
Speaker 3: get the higher power body rocket in the galaxy. Oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: Then the L comes on the initials of my name
Speaker 2: jd L. I wanna go to heaven for I go
Speaker 2: to hell because I'm pushing more power than a door,
Speaker 2: self better than the oldest and the newest.
Speaker 3: What's your name? My name is Sherry d Lewis. Tenn
Speaker 3: has killed me. The initials of my name E A D.
Speaker 3: The baddest thing to hit New York since O E
Speaker 3: lost it. So I said, Darryl McDaniels is the initials
Speaker 3: of my name.
Speaker 2: D from Daryl. I'm becoming d m C because of GMC,
Speaker 2: and flat and Cast hated me. But then when I
Speaker 2: met him and told him that, he almost cried Grandma's cast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he hated you came d m C because of GMC,
Speaker 2: but he hated Holy Ship, hated us because they were like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck? Because we now, no, no, we had
Speaker 2: areas in Queens that f Hollis. No way, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that. No, No, that frack was known. Hollis got known.
Speaker 2: Hollis started to get known around when everybody was saying
Speaker 2: do a diabet side, okay, But we was this little
Speaker 2: click we was. We was a little and we was
Speaker 2: only like ten blocks and stuff. But we started getting
Speaker 2: known because we was fighting every We was fighting all
Speaker 2: the south side, the south side. This is Hollie, right,
Speaker 2: that little jigger night you said. But what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is they were like who are they now?
Speaker 2: If you listen to step off my grandmaster flashing the
Speaker 2: first fire, they were talking about us, saying all yourself here,
Speaker 2: and she's a perpetrating the fraud. Well, what did Mel say?
Speaker 2: What did Mel say? On the step step step step?
Speaker 2: I was sitting on the corner just to waste my time.
Speaker 3: When I realized it was the King of the rhyme,
Speaker 3: I got on the microphone and what do you see?
Speaker 2: The rest was my legacy. I was born to be
Speaker 2: the king of this bi boy thing, to have stallions
Speaker 2: and my downs, big diamond rings, hold a mansion in
Speaker 2: the rock, food men in the go because rap is
Speaker 2: the game. Because I like Shakespeare, I'm a pion. Then
Speaker 2: because there may wrap something people wanted there because before.
Speaker 3: My right now, he said, little pieces of a dream
Speaker 3: is all you mean?
Speaker 2: Ever since you stepped on the ncccene, biting your moves,
Speaker 2: taking fake awards, seeing everyone else was perpetrating the fraud,
Speaker 2: but you nothing, Mel says that on it, Mel thought
Speaker 2: he told you that we were getting on there at
Speaker 2: the New York Music he was getting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys were the eighty five getting.
Speaker 2: All those Never seemed happy. No, he's not but that's Mel.
Speaker 2: But Mel said he thought Run was talking about him
Speaker 2: on Stucker and seas you.
Speaker 4: Didn't feel brittle that they were coming at you. I
Speaker 4: would have thought them coming at Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was scared that.
Speaker 3: This is new to me, this is the hold, this
Speaker 3: is that like, and they was just I didn't know
Speaker 3: it was that level of competitive. Yes, and it was
Speaker 3: almost like I was Run got real mad at me.
Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta stop rapping, oh ship, And
Speaker 2: he was like wow, because Mel, but come on, man,
Speaker 2: but you got it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm a bedroom rapper, so this is Mel and more
Speaker 3: they mad at me. You know, you're like, the real
Speaker 3: dudes is mad right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like it's like.
Speaker 3: The ship where you're growing up in the hood and
Speaker 3: the dude say don't do that, and you don't do
Speaker 3: it like this fucking ship.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I can't do it no more because
Speaker 2: they don't want me to. Ron was like my Run
Speaker 2: rapp motherfucker.
Speaker 3: There was a time we was at the New York
Speaker 3: Music Awards and it was Run to him see Houdini,
Speaker 3: Curtis blow, Jimmy Spicer. So we was all together and
Speaker 3: Run was the son of Curtis Blow. So this day
Speaker 3: they the son grew up and cursed the father. We're
Speaker 3: sitting in the dressing room, so we had king I'm
Speaker 3: the King of rob. I'm saying this eighty five.
Speaker 2: I'm the king.
Speaker 3: I'm the King, I'm the King. Kurt was known as
Speaker 3: the King of Rap at the time. If you go
Speaker 3: look at Flyers and he was king of self imposed
Speaker 3: king of Rap was a King of Rap too.
Speaker 2: But run leaves the dressing room and I'm sitting in
Speaker 2: there with Kurk. Curtis Blow comes over to me and
Speaker 2: he says, now, you gotta understand, this is Curtis Blow
Speaker 2: to me. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm like Joe, I don't know Harlem, like I've never
Speaker 3: been to one hundred and twenty fifth Street.
Speaker 2: Tell him in the rice, right. So Curtis comes over
Speaker 2: to me and says, it's Curtis Ball, Yo, d you
Speaker 2: gotta stop saying king, You're the king. Now I would
Speaker 2: say I'm the King of Rock, but my king of Rock,
Speaker 2: they started calling me the king. Right.
Speaker 3: So he comes it is Curtis Flow, Yo, you gotta
Speaker 3: stop saying your king. So I don't know, no better
Speaker 3: know it okay because I'm taking like, did you Curtis blow.
Speaker 2: Way? So Ron comes back in and he's noticed my
Speaker 2: mood changed, right, so y yod, what's the matter And
Speaker 2: I innoctantly go, yeah, I'm trying to figure out who
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be. Now say why because Kurt told me
Speaker 2: I can't say king what in front of everyone?
Speaker 3: Mother fucker, you can't real Run went and on Kurt like, don't.
Speaker 2: You ever say that to my man? The character he
Speaker 2: wasn't Crush grovem right, right, Yo, he did that ship
Speaker 2: in real life. You gonna say that? And then Brenda's
Speaker 2: funny said, stream that shit hard and louder now, But
Speaker 2: that was the whole for me, that was the whole.
Speaker 4: That was the changing of the guards of anything, right,
Speaker 4: That's what was happening. It was right, but he wasn't
Speaker 4: ready to pass the tour.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: my attitude. Everybody, my attitude, our attitude collective. Especially after
Speaker 2: I played the Coal Crush tape.
Speaker 3: For Run and Ron was funny when he heard the
Speaker 3: ram he run goals. I don't like Jerry d Lewis
Speaker 3: I like JD l not known it's the same person,
Speaker 3: but we just saw they was their rymen and chases
Speaker 3: cutting while they rhymen. So we said, that's what we're
Speaker 3: going to do.
Speaker 2: So those moments where the game changes of run DMC's presence,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It wasn't about making them happen.
Speaker 2: We got crazy major major hit records because we were
Speaker 2: just doing routines.
Speaker 3: It was rap routines. The Funky Four, I mean the.
Speaker 2: Force mcs but to force some seas before they were
Speaker 2: to or some ds STEVD and there Yo, they had
Speaker 2: bars stevd and they had bars. So if you look,
Speaker 2: if you take Tricky, for example, which is a universal
Speaker 2: that was that was a big good that was supposed
Speaker 2: to be done over numbers Boom boom jack. It's tricky
Speaker 2: to rocker rock. Tricky is just hey, Mickey, oh, Mickey,
Speaker 2: you're so fine, so fine, you boma what the man?
Speaker 2: You take the melody of the hot song, and then
Speaker 2: you talk about.
Speaker 3: Which is a form of sampling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do they call it when they redo
Speaker 2: the record? No, no cover.
Speaker 3: But this is in a sense, it's an interpret We.
Speaker 2: Called the Force and C fifty J doctor Rock he
Speaker 2: d Jays.
Speaker 3: And when and you drop ladies and gentlemen, you drop
Speaker 3: in piece of President.
Speaker 2: B D Jays and we MC here We're gone. It
Speaker 2: was all rhymes, routines. I got the Cold Crush, it's
Speaker 2: gi gantar Ji Gan the Giganto Robot cards. So we
Speaker 2: was like, we're gonna do rhyms and routine. Here we go.
Speaker 3: It's just here we go.
Speaker 2: It's just we put the tape on and you hear
Speaker 2: mode s start the show, Ladies and gentlemen, cool mode
Speaker 2: to the highest screen, the place to be on the wheel,
Speaker 2: steals DJ Easy Lebel and you go into the song.
Speaker 2: So here we go came about because now we're playing
Speaker 2: the Roxy La no New York. Okay, we're playing Roxy.
Speaker 3: Were playing fucking the Fever, were playing Dance Materia, but
Speaker 3: we're playing Roxy. And what's special about the Roxy is
Speaker 3: the Jo Nation had had locked down every Thursday night.
Speaker 3: I think it was a Friday night. So here's run
Speaker 3: DMC and Jay had a broken leg too. She had
Speaker 3: a broken leg. So we playing the Roxy and run.
Speaker 3: He's like, yodd, you go start the show, motherfucker you
Speaker 3: you've been doing fifty put my out there. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: come out, you start sucking seas. I'm gonna come out
Speaker 3: for my part and I'm going back.
Speaker 2: To the stage. But he's like, nah, dude, you gotta
Speaker 2: do you know, you gotta do it. So we arguing
Speaker 2: on the side of the stage and I'm not knowing,
Speaker 2: like the stage is right there, so you go, you
Speaker 2: do it, you do it. As as he's coming at me,
Speaker 2: I'm walking backwards, so like this is you go down
Speaker 2: the stage.
Speaker 3: I walk up.
Speaker 2: When the people see me, I'm like, oh shit, what
Speaker 2: the fuck? So it kicked in to me.
Speaker 3: It was like, yo, just tell them who you are,
Speaker 3: like they do on the tapes. So I just turned
Speaker 3: to the crowd and I remember certain introductions.
Speaker 2: There was an introduction of this crew called the sure
Speaker 2: Shot Crew, but they used to do it with He
Speaker 2: used to go the sure Shot Crew crew crew starring
Speaker 2: DJ Cool, Cuts, Cuts Cool, c C, Sugar Bear Bear
Speaker 2: and the Three m Seeds That'll rock you on down
Speaker 2: down down to your knees. And they took a patche
Speaker 2: my Man Bill Blast Boom back, Sean c Voom back
Speaker 2: Raheem Voo back New York voom ah voom you vom
Speaker 2: Ready for voog vogal vocal vote look and then theyre
Speaker 2: going to the routine.
Speaker 3: So I was like that shit D one two three
Speaker 3: in the place to be as it is playing the Sea,
Speaker 3: and I pointed backstage he is DJ running and I
Speaker 3: am DMC and then oh shit, and then J I
Speaker 3: love J and provision.
Speaker 2: He just he's oh, I got it. He takes big
Speaker 2: B and sou's going voom fat boom boom boom fah.
Speaker 2: So he is DJ Running. I am DMC boom for
Speaker 2: Funky Fresh for nineteen eighty three. I'm suiting now DJ
Speaker 2: jam Master Jay inside the place with all of base
Speaker 2: see Lee's without a trade, and I'm telling the whole
Speaker 2: rocks he does. And we came here tonight to get
Speaker 2: on your case.
Speaker 3: And we the motherfucker from Queens, a whole nuther level
Speaker 3: ship and we are and I remembered Cold crushing, mother
Speaker 3: fucking tough ast far and we are. We had sucking
Speaker 3: seas was Crush Groove one, and then we did a
Speaker 3: song on the second album, Crushgroof two, and then we
Speaker 3: did the Tim Crush Group. But I remembered Cold Crash
Speaker 3: and we are the crush grooving.
Speaker 2: Body moving record making and record breaking and it goes
Speaker 2: a little something like this run came out. It goes
Speaker 2: to one, two.
Speaker 3: Three and here we boom, here we go. Biggie probably
Speaker 3: was there at night because he got a rhyme with
Speaker 3: I was snatching change, I was rubbing, I was.
Speaker 2: You go yeah.
Speaker 3: So all of that ship was connected, but it was
Speaker 3: just me being prophetic and not knowing it.
Speaker 2: If you listen to the jam Master J record, after
Speaker 2: I said Jay, your name's your message J, and I'm I'm, I'm.
Speaker 3: I guess I was like the cast of the group.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write a whole song about Jay to let
Speaker 3: people know who he is. So we did kick off
Speaker 3: your Shoes, Jump on the job. Listen to the jam
Speaker 3: Mess that's the rocky rock. His name is Jay and
Speaker 3: he's on his way to be the best DJ J
Speaker 3: a wild. So we made that record so that while
Speaker 3: we're opening for Parliament Funkadelic, we could tell the audience
Speaker 3: who the DJ guy is.
Speaker 2: But there's a rhyme in there. And my therapist told
Speaker 2: me about this too, Mom, there's a rhyme in there.
Speaker 3: Because even around that time the whole Curtis Blow, when
Speaker 3: we was coming up, we was getting so much success
Speaker 3: that number one, motherfuckers thought we were selling out.
Speaker 2: And number two if it thought you were selling out,
Speaker 2: they thought we were selling out because we you know,
Speaker 2: it's MTV.
Speaker 4: Whenever you reach a certain amount of success, everybody hating
Speaker 4: no hammer Hamma.
Speaker 2: Should fucking get should have got celebrated during the He
Speaker 2: was the big dolls. He had the endorsements before all
Speaker 2: and motherfucker's good deals and they don't even care. Motherfuckers
Speaker 2: don't care about the culture, but they their deals.
Speaker 3: But there's a rhyme I say, where lives can be
Speaker 3: never singing the Blues. We got to tell y'all all
Speaker 3: the good news. The good news is that.
Speaker 2: There is a crew. And I had wrote that rhyme
Speaker 2: when Joe put me in the group, but it was
Speaker 2: just pretend to make believe because I was sending in
Speaker 2: my basement one day and I said, what would I
Speaker 2: do if I had to battle by myself the Furies
Speaker 2: five Cluhit or in Treacherous three.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to be prepared where lives can be
Speaker 3: never singing the Blues got to tell y'all all the
Speaker 3: world all your fucking credits and say the good news,
Speaker 3: The good news is that there is a crew not five,
Speaker 3: not four, not three, just two two MC's who are
Speaker 3: claiming of fame and all other things won't be the
Speaker 3: same because it's about time for a brand new group
Speaker 3: run DMC to put you up on the.
Speaker 2: School you went out, I said, the battle rock. Goddamn.
Speaker 3: It's when I said that the industry started changing. It
Speaker 3: opened the door for l It opened the door for pe,
Speaker 3: It opened the door for all of us.
Speaker 2: When we got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame in nine, they called me over DMC, I
Speaker 2: gotta tell you something, you guys was prophetic. What do
Speaker 2: you mean?
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty five they told me, y'all made a
Speaker 3: record called the King of Rock. We had the balls
Speaker 3: and gus the screen that we were the King of Rock.
Speaker 3: A video with Larry Budd Melman from the David Letterman
Speaker 3: Show denying us entry into the Rock and Roll Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame. You guys can't come in here. This is
Speaker 3: a rock and roll museum. And then we screened we
Speaker 3: go in Trassey Museum. They hit me with this, don't
Speaker 3: you know that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: didn't exist in eighty five? It didn't start till eighty six.
Speaker 2: Shit, y'all made that in eighty five. Holy shit, no instance,
Speaker 2: at least the fifties.
Speaker 3: There's a rocker.
Speaker 2: It didn't start tell eighty six. How could the whole
Speaker 2: video it didn't start till eighty six. Lookrect the profits
Speaker 2: the fucking exactly, it's crazy so all in all, but
Speaker 2: I say all this because is even when hip hop
Speaker 2: changed and became the music industry and said, the thing
Speaker 2: that kept running Me running Jay did was nobody could
Speaker 2: outdo us on the show. Right.
Speaker 3: We opened for Big, we opened for Park, We opened
Speaker 3: for parking Big, and it was crazy about them. They
Speaker 3: didn't know no better pop. There's no way I'm going
Speaker 3: on after run DMC. And this was POC and is
Speaker 3: fucking prime.
Speaker 2: Here's the beautiful thing about it. The promoter is losing
Speaker 2: it because if we go, if POC goes on before us,
Speaker 2: paks not knowing, half the crowd gonna leave because all
Speaker 2: the half that crowds did because of him know my music.
Speaker 3: I heard of us, so me running. They have to
Speaker 3: go in the room and.
Speaker 2: Said Poc, we're very flat at and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but we have to tell Park, this is your audience
Speaker 2: see those people. We have to tell Park no, we
Speaker 2: we're happy, POC. You know we have an arsenal, but
Speaker 2: those people are here for you, and he tells the promoter.
Speaker 3: All right, fuck that ship. The only reason I'm going
Speaker 3: on is after run DMC is because they told me
Speaker 3: to and he went out there and been popped. We
Speaker 3: open for Big a couple of so Daddy would call us, Biggie.
Speaker 3: We want Joe to open for the bad Boy Reunion.
Speaker 3: This is when all the motherfuckers was together, Biggie sitting there.
Speaker 3: Ain't no way I'm going on after running MC. You
Speaker 3: get my ass kicked, y'all. Mothers got Peter Piper and
Speaker 3: beat the big big yes, oh big, yes you know that.
Speaker 3: But these people are hit you.
Speaker 2: So the reason why I say that it's not about us,
Speaker 2: It's about that thing that they know is untouchable. Like
Speaker 2: this hip hop shit is at old school. Isn't old
Speaker 2: or used to be. It's eternal. Right. Every time we
Speaker 2: would show up, even in the new era, motherfuckers would
Speaker 2: be like, oh shit, Pete Rock saved us. What's crazy
Speaker 2: about life? Is this The very things that you do
Speaker 2: down with people, The very things that you do for
Speaker 2: people with people, whether good or bad, will happen to you.
Speaker 2: So what did people say, run DMC did with Aerosmith,
Speaker 2: We brought him back. We did walked his way over
Speaker 2: with Aerosmith, brought him back.
Speaker 3: Going into the nineties, everybody that had said Park Big,
Speaker 3: Naughty by Nature list and that we opened the door,
Speaker 3: it was their show. But everywhere we went they were
Speaker 3: still worshiping us. And it's because you allen. We wasn't
Speaker 3: participating as much. We wasn't on the radio, wasn't on
Speaker 3: a charte and have a video. Pete rock comes along
Speaker 3: for the down with the King Red record, I Got
Speaker 3: your home, Come over my house. We go out to
Speaker 3: Mount Vernon to Pete Rock's house. We go down in
Speaker 3: the basement and this is Pete Rocky goes over to
Speaker 3: the NPC. It's the button that music comes on. It's
Speaker 3: the nineties now got all of the Coogi rap. Motherfucker's
Speaker 3: killed y'all. Motherfucker like the dope shit going on. But
Speaker 3: we still run the MC. But we're still eighties and
Speaker 3: find it. We're still working too, because we're doing a
Speaker 3: lot of the white rock shows. We ain't doing the
Speaker 3: New Ship. We're doing Jay's there hanging, but we don't
Speaker 3: have a song for that, so we go on the basement.
Speaker 3: He hit Pete Rock hit in PC and he hates
Speaker 3: to want to say that, well, running him. We see
Speaker 3: that for Aerosmith. Pete Rock did for us. He brought
Speaker 3: us back. Wow, he's running.
Speaker 2: Pete Rock saved our careers. Heat Rock.
Speaker 3: He hit the button that music came on. He goes
Speaker 3: over to the turntables, says he's a DJ. He takes
Speaker 3: runs house. The part of my verse will go. Name
Speaker 3: is mc all, Tom Gray Bust the most rhymes, Robers
Speaker 3: New York State Reporters, Clark produces y'all.
Speaker 2: They want to be done with the King and want
Speaker 2: that man for the he stays safe. Sat down with
Speaker 2: the King over that me. I posted that this morning
Speaker 2: and Sony Music made me take it down? Was the
Speaker 2: verse that just house? First they made you take it down?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. I was heated. They so go ahead, bad,
Speaker 2: We make down with the King, great record man. Then
Speaker 2: we make the video. Go look at the video. Right.
Speaker 2: We didn't invite his ass.
Speaker 4: He heard everybody wanted to be a part of it
Speaker 4: because let me, you did you doubt that that was
Speaker 4: something like that would happen where everybody wants to me.
Speaker 3: Were you guys not of us in the thought?
Speaker 2: But when it came, it's so humbling, right un whoever
Speaker 2: was in town came show love. But I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: you finish. But let me just stop me for one second,
Speaker 2: because you know all day you've been you've been saying
Speaker 2: how much stan Lee means to you and how much
Speaker 2: his superhero. Well, our show is about giving people they flowers,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to give you your flowers face to face,
Speaker 2: man man and tell you you you you you my hero.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You are heroes. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. We wanted to give you your flowers
Speaker 2: like man, like you know we've been doing this. We've
Speaker 2: been doing this for for seven years.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's day one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just tell you something. Let me just
Speaker 2: say something. When I knew I had you booked yesterday,
Speaker 2: I couldn't even sleep, like it was I felt like
Speaker 2: it was Christmas. Like I felt like today was Christmas.
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't sleep. I woke up. I wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure I did everything. I worked out, I made
Speaker 2: sure I didn't drink, I made sure, Like I just
Speaker 2: wanted to be everything, because that's what like I said
Speaker 2: it in the intro and I said, if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for a run DMC, they probably wouldn't be a Compona noriegga,
Speaker 2: which means it wouldn't be a nory, which means it
Speaker 2: might not be a drink champion, and so on and
Speaker 2: so forth with. You know the legacy that you guys
Speaker 2: laid down, and I want you to know face to
Speaker 2: face man, the man is that it takes nothing away
Speaker 2: from me to tell you how great you are. You
Speaker 2: guys are great. You guys are guys, are legends, you
Speaker 2: guys are icons, And I just want to continue to
Speaker 2: supported this is what this show is about. You know,
Speaker 2: so many people, so many people like they get ten
Speaker 2: years in this game, or they get twelve years or
Speaker 2: twenty years in this game, and they say that they
Speaker 2: washed up. You know that's not that doesn't this is
Speaker 2: no other genre of music, knowing the genre of music
Speaker 2: they says that. And you know, to celebrate Hip Hop
Speaker 2: fifty and the know that you guys got damned there
Speaker 2: forty of the.
Speaker 7: Fifty years of the goddamn fifty crazy goddamn Let's make
Speaker 7: some goddamn I mean yeah, I mean the same way y'all.
Speaker 7: For everybody said that, yo, you would. That's how it
Speaker 7: started comic books.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're no Riggs Morales of course,
Speaker 2: Dominicant partner part of this. Yeah, Riggs is my partner's amazing,
Speaker 2: So you're Dominicant. I just.
Speaker 3: Came about. I went to Riggs for some music stuff
Speaker 3: and when I sat down with Riggs, he was.
Speaker 2: Like this, and I was like, hey, Rix, he was
Speaker 2: and he used these words. He said, you DMC, you
Speaker 2: are my superhero. And he asked me what was it
Speaker 2: like when he was a kid, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I used to just reclare, recollect into a comic book.
Speaker 2: So we sat there. We didn't talk about hip hop
Speaker 2: or music. He said it for three hours and talked
Speaker 2: about comic book. After he heard me say all this
Speaker 2: stuff that I was doing, he said, d you should
Speaker 2: do a comic book. And I said, nope, don't get no,
Speaker 2: don't put me in that hell no, I know what
Speaker 2: you're trying to do. And he was like what, I
Speaker 2: didn't want to do a comic book and make the
Speaker 2: comic book culture thing. Oh, just because this motherfucker had
Speaker 2: a couple of hit records. Do anything because there's a
Speaker 2: that's how much you cared about it, right, But then
Speaker 2: Rick said, no, d us comic books for for hip
Speaker 2: hop and by you being hip hop, this will work.
Speaker 2: So Rigg is the guy that made the Darryl Man.
Speaker 2: He said, you can't use Marvel. I was pissed off.
Speaker 2: I want to use it. I've got to be Marble.
Speaker 3: Can't use DC, can't use Image, can't use value, and
Speaker 3: can't use milestone. What are you gonna call your comic
Speaker 3: book company?
Speaker 2: Now? This is a beauty of hip hop shit. I
Speaker 2: don't know DMN C d's for doing it all of
Speaker 2: the time. MS for the ROMs that all minds cease
Speaker 2: for cool cool ass can be run used to say,
Speaker 2: while you're wear those glasses, oh I can see what
Speaker 2: goodness day? Please for doing it all of the time.
Speaker 3: MS for the ROMs that on minds cease for cool
Speaker 3: cool ass can be why do I wear contacts?
Speaker 2: So you can see what do they start with? So
Speaker 2: it's it's relevant. But then I'll go, you know what, Riggs,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just be making comic books. And you know
Speaker 2: how Riggs is I'm gonna just call them my company.
Speaker 2: Daryl Makes Comics show. We're gonna do a gitar because
Speaker 2: thank you Riggs legend. It's part of shady Wreckage Sorcerers.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: That you understand inspirations are two way street. Why are
Speaker 3: you telling me that inspires me to still keep going?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you how much of a legend you
Speaker 2: guys are. Halloween had just passed, right, and then my wife,
Speaker 2: my wife comes in the house and she buys my
Speaker 2: son a fake run DMC outfit, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you gotta get that out of my house. I had
Speaker 2: two stripes. I was like, you cannot do that to
Speaker 2: my son. But my wife, not knowing, she's just thinking
Speaker 2: like she's thinking like they're paying homage, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: they're paying the wrong homage. Like if you're gonna do,
Speaker 2: you gotta go get this, Yes, yeah, I can't let
Speaker 2: go out like that. I was just like, yo, But
Speaker 2: that's how rariconic it is. People dress up like yeah
Speaker 2: off for a Halloween. That's crazy crazy. Did you ever
Speaker 2: see the fake one DMC constant? Yes, yeah, you gotta
Speaker 2: se what we do.
Speaker 3: Just so we went and went to court and all
Speaker 3: they can sell it because all I gotta do is
Speaker 3: change one little thing. Wow bullshit, you know, and the
Speaker 3: world knows where it's coming from, right, like to check
Speaker 3: just the one little thing, right, Why do you think
Speaker 3: some of these cars look like the Benzes and the
Speaker 3: Meschas thing we tried to see. You're crazy, it's great,
Speaker 3: But what we should do is put an official run DMC.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the key. That's because everybody will
Speaker 2: go by that anyway.
Speaker 3: I mean all I get, I get two things in
Speaker 3: the holiday season Christmas. I can't go to them all
Speaker 3: because Muslims, Jewish people, Chinese people, they screaming the rhyme
Speaker 3: Christmas E, Christmas, Halloween, Justice Halloween. My text message, my
Speaker 3: emails and everybody that sees me gets this.
Speaker 2: I'm in seven to eleven, I'm in the super Guests.
Speaker 3: All be tonight, you know, and then my text. But
Speaker 3: here's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: The kids going to school, right, the parents dressed them
Speaker 2: up over the last thirty six years since that record.
Speaker 2: But now kids that like it's tricky.
Speaker 3: Because it's hot on TikTok, go to discover and see
Speaker 3: who are the guys behind this record that they don't
Speaker 3: they don't know me like you let us know the
Speaker 3: song they kids in now saying mom, may I want
Speaker 3: to dress up like run DMC.
Speaker 2: That's the beautiful thing connecting with that next g right,
Speaker 2: you know what's even more beautiful is that you guys
Speaker 2: are timeless like that. That that's what's even more beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's just your timeless. Like I was speaking speaking the
Speaker 2: trust from Naughty by Nature and I was telling him,
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, like, most of the time, if
Speaker 2: I'm in the party and they're not playing at least
Speaker 2: one or two or three Norty by Nature part of
Speaker 2: the party, I don't want to be And if they
Speaker 2: were not playing Bets and they're not playing Run DMC
Speaker 2: at a party, I pretty much probably start don't like
Speaker 2: the DJ. We at that fucking fucking Rolling Stone level.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, Right, I did an interview
Speaker 2: with my friend Brian earlier and he had asked me
Speaker 2: this question. So I want to ask you this question.
Speaker 2: What was the moment when you felt like you made it? Oh,
Speaker 2: the moment that I felt like I made it was
Speaker 2: it was eighty six.
Speaker 3: Because of walk this way now to us to a
Speaker 3: whole other level. And this is a crazy moment. I'm
Speaker 3: on the Grand Central Parkway traffic. We're no no open road. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 3: the actually were Parsons Boulevard at something. I'm triving right there,
Speaker 3: and I'm driving and not knowing because because we used
Speaker 3: to I used to walk around as DMC because that's
Speaker 3: how everybody else was dressing.
Speaker 2: So I fit in and unless you knew it was
Speaker 2: run DMC.
Speaker 3: My man, Bud buddy, we used to stand in the
Speaker 3: corner hollis and but my boy would hit me CD.
Speaker 3: That's the hundredth time that car came around the block.
Speaker 3: And all the doing is looking and can't believe running
Speaker 3: J and Jay because run with the family man and
Speaker 3: Jay was still in the street on the corner.
Speaker 2: So here's the time.
Speaker 3: I'm driving on the Grand Central Parkway in my nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty six Fleetwood Caddy.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was a SOB Tobies in my back black
Speaker 2: Fleetwood with the wolf is in the behind the sea
Speaker 2: hall and I'm driving and I just look over at
Speaker 2: the car next to me and they crash. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: because they're staring at you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I pulled off the holl and said, oh shit, I
Speaker 2: can't walk around like this. They saw de glasses had
Speaker 2: Adida stripes. They didn't see the forty I was holding,
Speaker 2: but I look over and they crashed right, So.
Speaker 3: Then I knew that's the day. I said, Oh, now
Speaker 3: I know what Mick Jacker and Michael Jackson feel like.
Speaker 3: It was nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2: The game my Adida's first non athletic entity to receive
Speaker 2: a major sport like because I want to, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: cover walk this Way real quick, right, Okay, So the
Speaker 2: rumor has it is Rick. This is Rick Rubin's idea. No,
Speaker 2: oh wow. Now Rick is one of the greatest producer,
Speaker 2: but everybody will tell.
Speaker 3: You he don't create anything. Okay, he comes in and
Speaker 3: brings the best out of you. But you got let
Speaker 3: me see, he ain't coming. He's not like writing and
Speaker 3: this and that, and I got a song idea. The
Speaker 3: original idea came about like this. We was finishing and
Speaker 3: raising hell album. So Jay goes, Yo, we gotta make
Speaker 3: a beat jam. So we was just gonna sample toys
Speaker 3: an attic YO sample. We didn't know it was walked
Speaker 3: this Way. Me and Rovers said, Yo, get the album
Speaker 3: with the toys on the cover and loop number four
Speaker 3: because the DJs.
Speaker 2: We was scratched the title of the records house, so
Speaker 2: the rival DJs, we just knew we want.
Speaker 3: To step debt Step debt, and I remember that shit
Speaker 3: down there, bet. So it's gonna be three minutes and
Speaker 3: thirty seconds of a loop of that, because if y'all understand,
Speaker 3: Walk this Way, like I said, it was in the
Speaker 3: first rock record we had, Rock Box. It wasn't the
Speaker 3: first rock rapper record at King of Rock, people not
Speaker 3: Raising Hell. We had a song called Raising Hell and
Speaker 3: that was us making in us rhyming. So we was
Speaker 3: gonna loop walk this Way, and we was gonna rhyme
Speaker 3: about how good we were. And I still remember my
Speaker 3: rounds to this day. We had the whole rhyme thing done.
Speaker 3: It was gonna come on then, and I was supposed
Speaker 3: to go because we came out in eighty three.
Speaker 2: It's eighty six. Now I'll go, I'm DMC in the
Speaker 2: place to be, been wrapping on a mic since eighty three.
Speaker 3: I'm the greatest MC in history. They will never be
Speaker 3: an MC better than me. And it run was supposed
Speaker 3: to go. I'm DJ Run and I'm the more typical
Speaker 3: run the MC shit. So we had that going on.
Speaker 2: Rick Rubin, who was our producer Jomp, comes in.
Speaker 3: The studio and he says these words, Yo, y'all should
Speaker 3: do walk this way over. So we think it from
Speaker 3: a limited hip perspective. Motherfucker, what you think we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: We're gonna sample this ship. We're gonna rhyme over. He says, no,
Speaker 3: do the record over the way the band originally did it.
Speaker 3: So that was Rick Ruben's beautiful idea. And me and
Speaker 3: Run said no, hell no.
Speaker 2: Book running was funny because he used to always hold
Speaker 2: my books up and go got rhymes, rhymes? Why the
Speaker 2: fuck you want us to sing this?
Speaker 3: And we had never heard the lyrics because the DJ's
Speaker 3: never let it play that far. So Rick tapes the
Speaker 3: vinyl off the record, go in these basement, put the
Speaker 3: record on, take a pen and paper, let the record play,
Speaker 3: and write down the lyrics so y'all can learn them.
Speaker 3: So we drive, We leave grom chun King House of Metal.
Speaker 3: We drive from junk King back to my basement. We
Speaker 3: put the record on ben and they gotta understand anticipation.
Speaker 3: We never heard what was gonna happen then that she said,
Speaker 3: backshop lover, how you know there for Oh hell no, helly,
Speaker 3: we going no fuck that ship. No, we ain't doing
Speaker 3: this this hill billy gibberous this and Russell screaming that
Speaker 3: Joey motherfucking this and that run arguing with this, hell no,
Speaker 3: hell no, we ain't a fucking phone up.
Speaker 2: And I hated to do record at first. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: well what it was. We didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2: We don't do that that shop. But you understand it's
Speaker 2: our first time hearing it. It didn't digest. It was
Speaker 2: just that ship.
Speaker 3: Ain't fucking um um. People seem to think that. The
Speaker 3: people seem to think that the being them ce you
Speaker 3: need a closet full of clothes and ice up jewelry,
Speaker 3: pocket full of dollars, walkers every flavor, stuck up attitude
Speaker 3: and another kind of behavior. I'm sorry to say that's
Speaker 3: how it was before. But people ain't going for that
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 2: You gotta give a performance, because by now you should
Speaker 2: know that you're giving a party out a flash and
Speaker 2: show another grand mastercaso.
Speaker 3: That wasn't my I just those industry movers go up
Speaker 3: to Cassie, you know much, so we go, No, we hadn't.
Speaker 3: We didn't let it digest back showed love. However, he
Speaker 3: was doing it. No, no, no, no, no, hell no,
Speaker 3: hell no.
Speaker 2: Joey Smith was rhyming on on that. Let me show
Speaker 2: you what happened. We ain't doing that ship. That's corny.
Speaker 3: We want to fucking rhyme.
Speaker 2: Man. Run was like Jay, motherfucker, you are a king
Speaker 2: of rock, You're a rock box. This is what we do.
Speaker 3: So Jay's trying to convince us and we arguing on
Speaker 3: that message. Yeah, so then Jay goes slow the fuck down.
Speaker 3: Listen he uses these words and this was the game
Speaker 3: to listen to Steven's flow, Baci love, I need to come.
Speaker 3: Now we're hearing it. We wasn't before. Remember it was gibberish,
Speaker 3: but Ja listened to his flow. I understand that language.
Speaker 3: Vaccine lover. Oh shit, we can do this ship. So
Speaker 3: we learn the records. Now this is funny. Y'all can
Speaker 3: go to YouTube and hear this version. We still didn't
Speaker 3: want to do it. So the original demo of Walk
Speaker 3: This Way Run Winning.
Speaker 2: It took the whole first verse back seat love behind
Speaker 2: if to cover, talk to my daddy, say, I ain't
Speaker 2: seen nothing. Did it go you go? Dean? We went
Speaker 2: and just did them lamess version of that shit at all.
Speaker 2: When we tried to leave the studio, Jay was fucking
Speaker 2: standing at the fucking door with his hand like, if
Speaker 2: you don't go back in there and do this run
Speaker 2: demn shit, I'm shoot jumping.
Speaker 3: So we go in there and Jay said, let's flow it.
Speaker 3: He said, don't do it like Steven did it. Do
Speaker 3: it like run DMC would do it. That's another game too.
Speaker 3: Oh we can switch off like we didn't know. So
Speaker 3: that that's the version that's you her. So it was
Speaker 3: Rick Ruben's crown breaking, universal, brilliant idea.
Speaker 2: To do it with.
Speaker 3: To do it over now, his was crazy. It didn't
Speaker 3: in there with Rick. While we were doing that. Rick's
Speaker 3: on the phone calling Boston. My name is Rick. I
Speaker 3: know you know who run demn C is. We want
Speaker 3: to do your record over that?
Speaker 2: Don't want to do it? Hold on?
Speaker 3: This is an arrowsman, just to see the people. Okay,
Speaker 3: who is this?
Speaker 2: Imagine that? Then? This is Rick. My name is Rick Rubin.
Speaker 2: I know you know who run DMC is. Do you
Speaker 2: want to do the record over? Hold on? Some guy
Speaker 2: named Rick Ruben on the phone and they want to
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, and Steven say, yeah, we know what's run.
Speaker 3: DMC do what records you do? We want to do
Speaker 3: walk this way over. So Rick got them to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll do it with you. He got them to come
Speaker 3: to New York to do the record with us. So
Speaker 3: we walk in the studio one day and they in
Speaker 3: there in the first I'm more of the rock guy,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, But I'm not sure because
Speaker 3: I don't even.
Speaker 2: Know rocks from the radio. I didn't have the hour.
Speaker 2: So when I walk in the studio this day, I
Speaker 2: see Stephen and Joe Perry and the first thing out
Speaker 2: me and Run's mother is oh shit, it's the Rolling Stone.
Speaker 2: So you know that.
Speaker 3: People was like, you know what I'm saying. But that
Speaker 3: was like an icebreaker. Stephen Taller said, no, when out
Speaker 3: there rolling Stones? Where else Swift? Those are the other guys,
Speaker 3: And then we laughed it off. But let me tell
Speaker 3: you so much crazy about Rick's decision. If we would
Speaker 3: have did it over our way, just rhyming over it,
Speaker 3: or he's just been another DMC rock song, would have
Speaker 3: been cool. You probably listened to it on the way
Speaker 3: to work or something. Remember that came out. If we
Speaker 3: would have did it over the way they did it.
Speaker 3: Without them, it would have been oh okay, cool. But
Speaker 3: the only reason it was groundbreaking is because Rick made
Speaker 3: them do it with us on MTV. So now their
Speaker 3: fans is going, what the hell is Aero Smith doing
Speaker 3: with the rap dudes? And our fans is going, what
Speaker 3: the hell is run DMC doing.
Speaker 2: With the rock show? But if you look at that video,
Speaker 2: I've been to South Sudan, wow, to perform the War
Speaker 2: Zone of South Sudan, So Africa, where they had war
Speaker 2: chopping hands.
Speaker 3: The one week I go there, they ain't fighting. Why
Speaker 3: they love Run DMC. They love Naughty by Nature, they
Speaker 3: love pop, they love big. When I left him went
Speaker 3: back to fucking Jesus.
Speaker 2: But I bring that up.
Speaker 3: I've been in South student, I've been a Russian.
Speaker 2: About the publishing. Did you guys get publishing on the
Speaker 2: walk this way? No, it's all.
Speaker 3: That's great question, because great President, it's all. I only
Speaker 3: get money when I show up and performance. All they
Speaker 3: get all that right now?
Speaker 2: The original yes and that, so they was doing that
Speaker 2: back then. All they was a new version that they
Speaker 2: was doing.
Speaker 3: The only thing that's not live on that record is
Speaker 3: the drums he was the drummer ship.
Speaker 2: But they didn't write the Liric. They just read this
Speaker 2: ad in everything. They recreated everything. But people tell me
Speaker 2: from Ukraine, I've been to Ukraine to perform. I've been
Speaker 2: a Russia to perform. Shout out to Ukraine, Russia. Beautiful
Speaker 2: people in all those countries.
Speaker 3: That are walking around wearing Naughty by Nature, public Enemy Church,
Speaker 3: crazy shit. But everywhere I go they say DMC.
Speaker 2: Don't you know when Steven Tyler took that Mike's standing
Speaker 2: in that video and knock down the water which separating
Speaker 2: you on It didn't just happened in the video, happened
Speaker 2: in the world. It did. So that's the power of
Speaker 2: hip hop, that's power of music. It really has an
Speaker 2: effect on that. But it was Rix Brend.
Speaker 3: Now the reason why I say that, if Rick Pitton
Speaker 3: suggested to do that, it wouldn't have been what it is.
Speaker 2: What year did that record come out? Hast eighty six,
Speaker 2: eighty six, nineteen eighty and it gave birth to olymp
Speaker 2: Biscuit Okay, yeah, changed to razel conc. It was the
Speaker 2: first time I remember being in New York City and
Speaker 2: I remember a record, hearing a rap record playing on KTU,
Speaker 2: playing on the pop stations, playing on you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, not just about I crossed over that I
Speaker 2: believe at that time we only had w b LS.
Speaker 2: I don't ninety seven power that was the record that
Speaker 2: not and not that record was so dope that it
Speaker 2: was rod but it allowed all music to cross over.
Speaker 2: That's it wasn't happening until.
Speaker 4: And and did Aerosmith? Did they know and appreciate what
Speaker 4: you what you guys? Actually, yeah, it's funny footage of this.
Speaker 4: You could look it up.
Speaker 2: During the session, Jay shows them what he used to
Speaker 2: do as a DJ. He's cutting up, fucking walked this way,
Speaker 2: and Stephen Tyler on camera goes, when are you gonna
Speaker 2: hear me? And Jay Sop said, oh, that's it, Seve,
Speaker 2: we don't and everybody just claim and then Steve was like, yo,
Speaker 2: teach me the dj. Jay actually taught Steven Tyler the
Speaker 2: DJ ain't with his own record. Yeah, because then you know,
Speaker 2: they knew, they knew, they knew about hip hop, they
Speaker 2: knew about running m C and they were it was
Speaker 2: cool for them because you know, they say, we brought
Speaker 2: them back, But what we did was this was happening
Speaker 2: for them, and my joke is they could have made
Speaker 2: a record with God, Jesus and Moses for real and
Speaker 2: nobody would have cared.
Speaker 3: But they took a chance. You know what, we got
Speaker 3: to lose to do this for Brundy m C didn't
Speaker 3: just it changed the world.
Speaker 2: That's always so kids, man, always be open to try
Speaker 2: something new because it might not just change your life,
Speaker 2: will have changed the world. But that's to walk this
Speaker 2: way story.
Speaker 3: Because of Rick Ruper and when Rick was working with us,
Speaker 3: we had all the records I'm Racing Hell done. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you the coolert story about Rick. When he
Speaker 3: was doing Peter Piper. I didn't like my part when
Speaker 3: I come on and get the Piper Brighte repers right,
Speaker 3: but just the part where I break off and I go.
Speaker 3: Jay's like King Mida, since I was told everything that
Speaker 3: he touched turned to go.
Speaker 2: He's the greatest of the great. Get us traight, He's great.
Speaker 2: So I didn't like that.
Speaker 3: After we sat back and listened to you know, we
Speaker 3: had hit It run, I didn't like the way that
Speaker 3: sounded on a Racing Hell album. I was like, Rick,
Speaker 3: I gotta do it over this and over and he's
Speaker 3: telling me as a producer, no, leave it, leave it,
Speaker 3: And I couldn't see what he was was.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see or hear what he was saying. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, Rick, I got to do this over. So
Speaker 2: speaking of cocaine, cod tonguing house, some metal, it's like
Speaker 2: break thirty in the morning, turn House Metals. That's the
Speaker 2: one who was just in China.
Speaker 3: Town, right, yeah, on Center Street. So Rick goes, Rick, God,
Speaker 3: it's three thirty in the morning. Forties coke gosh, hell,
Speaker 3: that was the first Red Bull had. Yeah, wake up
Speaker 3: in the money then do it? Give me a forty?
Speaker 2: So Rick goes, all right, do you want to change it?
Speaker 2: Show up at eleven o'clock tomorrow morning? All right.
Speaker 3: So I probably didn't go to sleep. I think I
Speaker 3: went to the World or some shit like that, to
Speaker 3: the club where you come out in this morning.
Speaker 2: It's right.
Speaker 3: So I come back space all right, and I'm telling Rick, I.
Speaker 2: Gotta be right. We're running. Say it's got to be right.
Speaker 2: So the piper pepper, I don't like to wear a
Speaker 2: sound like this, So he says, okay, motherfucker going there
Speaker 2: and later verse So I go in there.
Speaker 3: Jays like King miny since I was told like yeah, like,
Speaker 3: so I come again and this is Rick's the coolest
Speaker 3: for this episode was back here. He says, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: play what you did just now. He plays it.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna play what you did last night and
Speaker 2: he plays at Jay's night, King Minus is ours. So
Speaker 2: he says, which one is better? And I go, oh,
Speaker 2: the one I did last night, And he says this.
Speaker 2: You don't have to work hard to be you, and
Speaker 2: you don't have to impress to be anybody. He said,
Speaker 2: you're so dope on the mic and a suit now
Speaker 2: that you are.
Speaker 3: Showing no effort and you better than half the motherfuckus
Speaker 3: on the microud we get the fuck out in. So
Speaker 3: he was, you know what I'm saying, But what he
Speaker 3: was saying was you didn't need to old Piper Peppers over,
Speaker 3: you know, little bo pee call losses shit.
Speaker 2: He said, nah, you're taking them somewhere else.
Speaker 3: And that's a producer you tell you know how guitar
Speaker 3: players or singers you gotta go side. I'm just a rapper.
Speaker 3: I'm not Freddie Mercury, I'm not a mager. But he
Speaker 3: was like, you take Jay's like King Midas as I
Speaker 3: was told everything that he told, and he said the
Speaker 3: music is open right now.
Speaker 2: He said, watch how hard that should be. So I'm
Speaker 2: thinking you gotta be a lesson for young people. I'm
Speaker 2: thinking you gotta be violent to be hard aggressing, you
Speaker 2: can lay back and be stronger than everyone else.
Speaker 3: So Rick, there was a rick walked this way in
Speaker 3: my Peter Piper rhyme. Thank you, Rick.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you. I always be wanting to
Speaker 2: ask you. Who is Mary Marian? Why she was bugging?
Speaker 2: That's another Rick? Really? Yeah, Rn was taking Mary Mary
Speaker 2: off of Super Disco Breaks. It's a monkey record. It's
Speaker 2: the monkeys Marry Mary? Where are you going to marry?
Speaker 2: And we come some monkeys on? Which was on Super
Speaker 2: Disco Break Volume three. It's on the break peece a wow.
Speaker 2: So Run was taking that and I can't stop. We
Speaker 2: were trying to think of a routine to make, so
Speaker 2: we sampled it. Rick comes in the studio and he says,
Speaker 2: you know, to the boof, you know you push the button,
Speaker 2: don't say Mary Mary? Where you going to say? Marry Mary?
Speaker 2: Why are you bugging? Okay, Boof, go very very why
Speaker 2: I can't stop? So marry not a real person. No,
Speaker 2: I wait for you to come back for a great
Speaker 2: time of slunt. Oh hold on cool? All right, you
Speaker 2: you talked too much? Is that ever? Shut up? Is
Speaker 2: that about a snitch? No, it's nothing, it's not about
Speaker 2: a snitchka.
Speaker 3: No, it's just it's just it's more of rundium cs, hilariomedy,
Speaker 3: comedic side right.
Speaker 2: It was just a record that we told. We got
Speaker 2: sued for that too and had to pay because we
Speaker 2: never heard the record. That's why these lawsuits are gonna
Speaker 2: be get getting crazy. We never heard the record.
Speaker 3: We didn't know there's a record from the fifties that goes,
Speaker 3: you talk too much and you never shut up.
Speaker 2: I said you talk.
Speaker 3: We didn't know that, get them. So yeah, we were
Speaker 3: just trying to be funny.
Speaker 2: Hey, you over there know about your can You're like
Speaker 2: the independent network news on channel. So it was just
Speaker 2: us trying to be funny. So there was nobody out
Speaker 2: your crew that talked too much. Run he ran his
Speaker 2: mouth once we made the record that was Run's record.
Speaker 2: Running would never shut up. Eric B prophesized, when one
Speaker 2: day you're going to be a reverend, I love what
Speaker 2: have Yeah, Run, I'll tell you that story. Eric b
Speaker 2: was like, what day you want to be here? Because
Speaker 2: that's why we call him run because he ran his mouth.
Speaker 2: I was a quiet run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he became running because of Rush, because Rush
Speaker 3: rus it was movement. But me, if you listen to
Speaker 3: my rhymes when I perform, many heart hearts are warm.
Speaker 3: I'm better known as the Quiet Storm. I don't talk
Speaker 3: too much, but I got beef. When I kill MC's,
Speaker 3: I caused grief devastate in my control.
Speaker 2: It's my main goal. My name is Daryl, his name is.
Speaker 3: Joe, So if you notice, and all through until the
Speaker 3: group broke up, people never heard me from me unless
Speaker 3: I spoke on the microphone. Run was always the voice
Speaker 3: in the lead. So he ran, and I was the
Speaker 3: quiet storm like so many East Sais was always there.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, right, But Run ran. He
Speaker 3: was the talk of the one.
Speaker 2: Holy Moly, grock Moly. The record Jam message. You spoke
Speaker 2: about it earlier. You said that it was made to
Speaker 2: because usually people make records like that where someone passed away.
Speaker 2: But it was like he was making this record about
Speaker 2: him as he was alive. He was actually giving him
Speaker 2: his flowers right then. And there was that something you
Speaker 2: plan was that because like how we spoke earlier, because
Speaker 2: the DJ was kind of like, well, right, that comes
Speaker 2: from this the show business, entertainment, music business, motherfuckers that
Speaker 2: rap right, right, which comes from a cultural hip hop right.
Speaker 2: And I can say this because people say, we know
Speaker 2: you're ain't creative, but run DMC created hip ups. So
Speaker 2: I guess I have the right to say this. I've
Speaker 2: been saying it. I'm not just saying it now because
Speaker 2: of conditions. What's going on.
Speaker 3: I've been saying it's since eighty three. There's it's not
Speaker 3: hip hop. If there's no DJ there, Wow, it's not
Speaker 3: hip hop.
Speaker 2: It's somebody wrapping over something recorded in the studio for
Speaker 2: record making purposes. Now you can tell you but it's
Speaker 2: hip hop, yes, but I'm telling you it's not. But
Speaker 2: it can be.
Speaker 3: It's just like I never thought hip hop would reach
Speaker 3: the point where it would be and this is nothing
Speaker 3: against it. You have Britney Spears and you have Sheryl Crow.
Speaker 3: So Britney needs choreography, she needs a writer, she needs.
Speaker 2: She needs therapy too. Yeah, she need all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just needs the guitar and a microphone. So I'm
Speaker 3: talking from an elemental standpoint. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: You can't say it's you can't say you're a painter
Speaker 3: and you're not using a paint BRUSHKA Like.
Speaker 2: My friend's Sonny, he thinks he's a step forward. He
Speaker 2: thinks he's a do artworks, and do artwork. So you
Speaker 2: can be an artist and rap and do a imitation
Speaker 2: of the hip hop culture. But the reason why we
Speaker 2: made records about DJ is the entertainment business is not
Speaker 2: in the business to keep anything holy and sacred. It's
Speaker 2: just got to move the records. So we wait as
Speaker 2: soon as they said something about who's that, we was
Speaker 2: letting people know hip hop.
Speaker 3: Right, it starts with the DJ. Starts with the DJ,
Speaker 3: then the MC's coming, or it starts with the music first.
Speaker 3: So the guy rapping his hip hop music, he's doing
Speaker 3: hip hop. But I'm talking about any hip hop with
Speaker 3: a DJ really doing it. So we made the jam
Speaker 3: Master the J record to let the people know it's
Speaker 3: DJ's and MC's coming up next to one and only
Speaker 3: jam Master back up from the rope punks. So that
Speaker 3: is so that the front of hip hop has done
Speaker 3: push the groups out the picture, and they don't push
Speaker 3: the DJs to the back. But the DJs is the
Speaker 3: foundation of the culture that when I show up, you
Speaker 3: always gonna see one.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna jay never push one. Like I said,
Speaker 2: technology is an assistant to make it easy. But now
Speaker 2: I don't have to carry a thousand records in the crate.
Speaker 2: I just have it on a hard drive.
Speaker 3: Last night I was in u DJ.
Speaker 2: Atlanta No not no more, Okay, no more. I write
Speaker 2: rhymes and using Atlanta.
Speaker 3: But the last night I was in Atlanta at this
Speaker 3: event is education conference because of my book Darryl's Dream,
Speaker 3: Everybody Go Get One. It is a story about me
Speaker 3: in the third grade that really happened. I do a
Speaker 3: lot of education.
Speaker 2: Your moves you was doing in the third grade. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had miss Banks. He's left, he left me back,
Speaker 2: that's all I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was talking out to this a bit and
Speaker 3: there was a DJ there with his the CD deck thing, right,
Speaker 3: And this is funny. You could ask my son before
Speaker 3: I was he knew I was leaving him. Go get
Speaker 3: your father, and he just had to tell me. And
Speaker 3: this is what I love about hip hop, Like it's
Speaker 3: all hip hop. But when we say real hip hop
Speaker 3: we just mean hip hop, that this music business is
Speaker 3: not the essence.
Speaker 2: They're not. You can't you can't comment on it matter.
Speaker 2: Fake can't even come to the party. But this DJ
Speaker 2: just had to show me coming to DMC and he
Speaker 2: just showed me a picture with him at two Techniques because.
Speaker 3: He didn't want to be considered not right, original or authentic.
Speaker 3: So for us, it was important that the group is
Speaker 3: run DMC and and people have a habit of and
Speaker 3: we have run d m C. These two people, somebody
Speaker 3: in the audience will interrupted or I will interrupt.
Speaker 2: It was three people. Oh yeah, that's right. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You're not gonna get But me, he
Speaker 2: as a fan, when I hear one DMC, I think right,
Speaker 2: but because you whip us. But overall, here's the question
Speaker 2: his wife, I'm so passionate. If you look at all
Speaker 2: the Run DMC covers except for Tougher than Leather, that's the.
Speaker 3: Only one that Jay was on the cover on the
Speaker 3: On the Run DMC album. He's on the back with
Speaker 3: us on the King of Rock album. This is crazy
Speaker 3: about the industry.
Speaker 2: He's on the back with his head down because he
Speaker 2: wasn't signed to Profile records, so they could.
Speaker 3: Not put him on there. All right, you're not going
Speaker 3: to show our DJ, so.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about them on every record. Go back
Speaker 2: and look at the albums.
Speaker 3: Oh what's crazy is on the on the Run? Actually
Speaker 3: Run was only signed to the to the Girl and
Speaker 3: we wasn't signing Profile. We signed to Rustle Russell was
Speaker 3: signing the Profiles. Run DMC did the deliver the Running
Speaker 3: see record. We will signed signing Rush Productions. But if
Speaker 3: you look at the album, I'm doing this.
Speaker 2: Because Fantastic Far's incredible in theaters, on the scene with
Speaker 2: the golden voice, through all the People's choice and we
Speaker 2: rock with the Kangs, still lean. We proved to the
Speaker 2: MC's that Fantastics number one and when we step on you,
Speaker 2: you're just like.
Speaker 3: A roach output it weighs a ton. He's the adoring,
Speaker 3: he's the ladies man. So can't you understand that I'm done?
Speaker 3: So it's always the DJ. We call him Flash Crab Master,
Speaker 3: Flash Disco, Be Easy Mic and I'm the MC. You
Speaker 3: walk in the place, you listen to the base, you
Speaker 3: see Melie mel with a smile on his face, King
Speaker 3: of the thrown of the microphone. You should nobody now
Speaker 3: should be left alone, Like when Mel came out with
Speaker 3: the disc to Eminem, he should have just went to
Speaker 3: fucking rappers might be willing, but they ain't able because
Speaker 3: I was there, king straight from my cradle, screamed in
Speaker 3: hollowd shook my rattle, drimed that defeat of them all
Speaker 3: in battle. There was no food in my silver spoon.
Speaker 2: But I grew up hard, and I grew up soon.
Speaker 2: I'm a righteous king and I'm hungry too, and I
Speaker 2: eat a punks that rap like you.
Speaker 3: And he should have told he should have did that
Speaker 3: to Eminem and just called it a rap to you. Mel,
Speaker 3: don't try to get noon new standard to know. Nobody
Speaker 3: never know. These motherfuckers don't know.
Speaker 2: You do that, I do.
Speaker 3: Focos don't know that melt rhyme like me and running
Speaker 3: rock him.
Speaker 2: This is shocking. This shit should go viral. Y'all don't
Speaker 2: know Mel Scorpio raheem rhyme like fucking Big Daddy Kane.
Speaker 2: You just never heard it because they were making records.
Speaker 2: They wasn't fucking put They got bars that will out
Speaker 2: bar all these guys. You see you look what the
Speaker 2: fuck he said, rappers might be willing, but they ain't
Speaker 2: able because I was the king straight from my cradle,
Speaker 2: screamed in hollowd shook my rattle. I dreamt out the
Speaker 2: feet of them all in battle. There was no food
Speaker 2: in my silver'spooon. But I grew up hard, and I
Speaker 2: grew up soon. And then mol said, I'm a righteous
Speaker 2: king and I'm hungry too. We should have told him,
Speaker 2: and I eat up chumpster wrap like you.
Speaker 3: I met this shark his name was George.
Speaker 2: Started writing the rhymes like y'all right yo no, started
Speaker 2: biting mormes, like y'all bite yaws. I started writing morons,
Speaker 2: shark crew and crew, but I was writing more rhymes
Speaker 2: than the shark at chew. Then the shark got sick,
Speaker 2: and then he exploded because he didn't realize that Marobs
Speaker 2: was loaded.
Speaker 3: Flew in the air and into the sea, and the
Speaker 3: whole universe knew.
Speaker 2: The king was me. You don't wonder battle. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying and what what I'm sweating now, em
Speaker 2: you didn't go back at him, No, you have to.
Speaker 2: He killed him, and I'm saying, but everybody happened, didn't
Speaker 2: they even.
Speaker 3: Even he got a out of heat for that, But
Speaker 3: I thought it was hip hop what he did.
Speaker 2: It was who he came back.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying me a cast that he should have
Speaker 3: went Like I was sitting on a corner just to
Speaker 3: waste so much time. When I realized I was king
Speaker 3: of the rhyme, I got on the microphone and what
Speaker 3: do you see? The rest was my legacy.
Speaker 2: I was born to be the king of the hip
Speaker 2: hop thing like that.
Speaker 3: They had this.
Speaker 2: When I came along. Like what was good about Pete
Speaker 2: Rocker is when we came back with Down with the King,
Speaker 2: Down with the King. After did that, it was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: we're making that ship. And it's funny. When Jay heard
Speaker 2: that ship, Jay says this, that's the name of the
Speaker 2: album and that's the single, right, And that was that
Speaker 2: was one little thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Bruce Lee says, I'm not afraid of.
Speaker 2: The man who fucking practices a thousand techniques. I'm afraid
Speaker 2: of the man that practices one. I'm living with that
Speaker 2: that work because when we went to the studio, YO,
Speaker 2: were making that ship, this and that. So Pete comes
Speaker 2: to me and he's like, Yo, you ain't gotta be king.
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta be Rock him, you ain't gotta be
Speaker 2: jay Z, you ain't gotta I want that DMC ship.
Speaker 2: I'm confused.
Speaker 3: I'm like, because I'm thinking that I got to write
Speaker 3: differently now shit, And do you know, motherfucker is the
Speaker 3: name the shit that we do? Ad libs and fucking
Speaker 3: metaphors and shit, I don't I just think of my
Speaker 3: round and say it over to beat.
Speaker 2: Give me that DMC shit. And I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do in the nineties. I'm fucking thirty five years
Speaker 2: old and hip hosterilia change and shit like that. No,
Speaker 2: but what I'm just saying, I'm at another water. So
Speaker 2: Pete Rock says, he just asked me, what the fuck
Speaker 2: are you doing right now? DMC.
Speaker 3: But you're like, because remember I wrote I'm DMC in
Speaker 3: a place to be a true thing about me, son
Speaker 3: of Byford Brooke DMC for Hollins Queens, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, well, I'm on tour ill right about that shit.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, I'm taking the tours. I'm
Speaker 2: wrecking the land.
Speaker 3: Hip hop could change and they could have all the
Speaker 3: metaphors and shit, but I keep it hardcore because it's dope, man.
Speaker 3: That's just the raw old shit that I was doing
Speaker 3: in seventy six, and it's my turn to get on
Speaker 3: the mic. I'm gonna do that shit now because this
Speaker 3: audience never seen it, so I'm stand out.
Speaker 2: I learned that. So I'm taking the toys, wrecking the
Speaker 2: land and keeping hardcore because it's dope. Man.
Speaker 3: These are the roughest, toughest word you ever wrote.
Speaker 2: And it's not meant for and I don't usually used profanity,
Speaker 2: but it's not meant for a hole like a slow
Speaker 2: jam sucker.
Speaker 3: MCS could never swing with me because of all the
Speaker 3: things that I bring with me. Only God could be
Speaker 3: a king to me. And if the go od b
Speaker 3: and me ken king of p rockets like rhyme other
Speaker 3: fucking year, and.
Speaker 2: Then I did. I just went me in DMC and
Speaker 2: everywhere I go, cool g rolled up on me, can ship,
Speaker 2: rolled up on me, bumping knuckles, rolled up on me.
Speaker 2: What you said, if the G O D E BM me,
Speaker 2: then the key of.
Speaker 3: The microphone is branded when it's handed to me, or
Speaker 3: what I say, racophone is branded when it's handed to me.
Speaker 3: I'm just standing on this planet and I plant m C.
Speaker 3: The MC fiends always seem to agree that because rocking
Speaker 3: told me the microphone fiend said, nahed your shit rock
Speaker 3: him Coogie Rap and Bumpy imagine them three telling you
Speaker 3: you the dope its motherfucker ever. I was so fucking
Speaker 3: me about But down with the King, Like I said,
Speaker 3: down with the King brought us back.
Speaker 2: And because of Down with the King, we was able
Speaker 2: to go tour. We was back on MTV with the video,
Speaker 2: We was back on the radio. That's what hip hop.
Speaker 2: That's why I say hip hop is it's not old school.
Speaker 2: Isn't old right? You know what I'm saying. You might
Speaker 2: know what I did in eighty six, but the twelve
Speaker 2: year old.
Speaker 3: Kid, now don't. So when he see that shit, he's new.
Speaker 3: Kids always had to ask me, now, shit, yo og,
Speaker 3: you put it down harder than I'm youngins. But I'm
Speaker 3: putting it down at fifty nine like I did when
Speaker 3: I was twelve years old. I'm not thinking I'm going
Speaker 3: into the studio to sell records. I ain't thinking about
Speaker 3: chart position. I'm thinking, how can I make this fucking dope?
Speaker 3: What did you do when you was in your room
Speaker 3: in fifteen? So that's how I approached this craft of minds.
Speaker 2: God damn.
Speaker 3: And it's fucking fun. But it's fucking fun.
Speaker 2: Man. What's one of the places that you've been through,
Speaker 2: been through the tour in the world that she was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck am I doing here? Look, you said
Speaker 2: Sudan earlier, But.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was.
Speaker 2: It was definitely South Sudan because everybody was walking around
Speaker 2: with machine guns.
Speaker 3: And then the student, well the person that brought me
Speaker 3: out there. The police and the National Guard are the
Speaker 3: two warring factions, so at any time, all you got
Speaker 3: to do is just say one little wrong thing about
Speaker 3: the tribe or some shit about the king. Because South
Speaker 3: Sudan has all the oil. North Sudan has all the reserves,
Speaker 3: so they constant fight over money and shit like that.
Speaker 3: But it definitely was South student because this is scary,
Speaker 3: so we get in town for the sad. Oh, let
Speaker 3: me shout out to God that brought me. This guy
Speaker 3: named Emmanuel Jaw he was a boys child soldier.
Speaker 2: At nine.
Speaker 3: When he was nine years old, the rebel army came
Speaker 3: into his village and killed all the adults and took
Speaker 3: all the hills and gave them guns to fight against
Speaker 3: the government, said nine years old him and is forty
Speaker 3: Hold up? They come into your village and kill all
Speaker 3: the parents guts And he's the most well smoking, well
Speaker 3: spoken person you had ever seen.
Speaker 2: Was a child killer who was killed at nine years
Speaker 2: old to arm to cut all that shit. So when
Speaker 2: he was nine years old, he was fighting, him and
Speaker 2: his forty friends and he was out in the wilderness fighting.
Speaker 2: So they got tired of killing their own people, so
Speaker 2: they said, we're gonna go a one and escape. Now
Speaker 2: the problem is when you escape, the soldiers you're running
Speaker 2: from are gonna kill you first on a site, and
Speaker 2: then the other soldiers from the government are gonna shoot
Speaker 2: you because even if you say I'm coming there, they
Speaker 2: think you got bombs or whatever, so they ain't trusting you.
Speaker 2: So what they would do was what they would do
Speaker 2: was when the people that they ate were from would
Speaker 2: go raid a village, the kids would go in there
Speaker 2: and eat the scraps. But it got to the point
Speaker 2: where the other soldiers wasn't leaving us. So lonstory short,
Speaker 2: his friends were dying a starvation. So it's just him
Speaker 2: and his boy, right, And imagine me and you and Norri.
Speaker 2: All our boys are dead, It's just me and you.
Speaker 3: Thirty eight or died at starvation, and I turned to
Speaker 3: you because I'm dying and I look at you and
Speaker 3: I'm your boy, and I say, Nori, if I die tonight,
Speaker 3: it's okay if you eat me. Imagine that. So Joll
Speaker 3: said his prayer to God wasn't delivering me this and that?
Speaker 3: This serious pread? God, God, what's the pros and cons
Speaker 3: of if I eat my friend? And what's the pros
Speaker 3: and cons if I don't eat my friend? So that's
Speaker 3: where he was at right then and there he can
Speaker 3: saved by the un They take him from. Didn't have to, Okay, alright, cool,
Speaker 3: heake him to not roby to the rehabilitation center. He's
Speaker 3: a wild kid that was illing, so they trying to
Speaker 3: educate him. He's a fucking beast. He said he was
Speaker 3: getting the beef for of his students. You ever see
Speaker 3: the horror movie Shits and said the students say something
Speaker 3: to him. He taking a pen and pointing it and
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's that kid, He's he's wild.
Speaker 2: So one of the counselors and it's the promoter that
Speaker 2: brought you od there.
Speaker 3: Yeah I did him, but he said, I'm gonna tell you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's been a big white track this out. One of
Speaker 3: the counselors is playing run dmc ughdy by Nature Public Enemy.
Speaker 2: So he hears it, what's the what's that? The counselor
Speaker 2: is like, oh, so you like this? What's that? What's that?
Speaker 3: He said that was the only time he felt something
Speaker 3: that was good to him.
Speaker 2: Oh you want to hit it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know imagine crazy, crazy African killer machine.
Speaker 2: Here's naughty native stuff. The councilors play, Okay, here's the deal,
Speaker 2: stick gild Man. You start going to school, this and
Speaker 2: that just to hit the tape.
Speaker 3: Okay, So he hit the tape, goes to school, show
Speaker 3: me something, becomes a straight at student, makes it to
Speaker 3: the university, goes into the university majors in communications and music,
Speaker 3: starts to becoming a MC for his from Sudan, who
Speaker 3: gets to open for Nelson Mandela, this and that, whatever,
Speaker 3: whatever whatever.
Speaker 2: So he does because of hip hop. He said it
Speaker 2: was the.
Speaker 3: Only thing that made him feel like he was working.
Speaker 3: He correlates. So then he does all of that. He
Speaker 3: does all of this great stuff for his country. They
Speaker 3: bring him to New York City to get honored by
Speaker 3: the hard Rock This is before hard Rock Ain's ownership
Speaker 3: because the hard rockers and the big.
Speaker 2: Philanthropy stuff like that. So they bring them in and
Speaker 2: one of the ladies from the Harrrock movie there was like, DMC,
Speaker 2: we have this kid, tells me a story.
Speaker 3: Come tomorrow. We want to surprise him with you cool.
Speaker 2: So I come to the luncheon and it's a bunch
Speaker 2: of people in there, like he does some incredible ship.
Speaker 2: So they said just go sit at the end of
Speaker 2: the table. Sitting at the end of the table and
Speaker 2: he's speaking. He's meeting all these people and sending nobody
Speaker 2: announces me, and then he looks and he sees me
Speaker 2: just so and he comes over to me and he
Speaker 2: just cries on me and he's like, yo, run DMC
Speaker 2: know that my nature hip hop saying man, he just
Speaker 2: tells me the story, and I'm like, I'm like blowing away.
Speaker 2: So then he goes, will you come to my country?
Speaker 2: And this is what I'm answering your question now, So
Speaker 2: I'm thinking yeah. I answered yeah immediately, but I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: j you know what I'm saying. So we fly out
Speaker 2: to South student we say we run engine no, no, no,
Speaker 2: just me, my DJ Eric and my security and well
Speaker 2: it's funny this is not. When they showed me the
Speaker 2: brochure of where we're staying at, it's like, oh, ship,
Speaker 2: a pool, air conditioning building. But we get there, it's
Speaker 2: just huts. No toilet ball, no toilet ball, no toilet
Speaker 2: Hold up.
Speaker 3: The cut us is fucking bugs.
Speaker 2: Everywhere, to the point where it's so many bugs and
Speaker 2: they so big, you just get it's a waste of
Speaker 2: time and.
Speaker 3: Fu show time like to that point. So that was
Speaker 3: my wildest place off Cudent. But the beauty of it
Speaker 3: is that they know our hip hop right and they
Speaker 3: value it. So we go to sound check and if
Speaker 3: you look him up right now, he's the vice president
Speaker 3: of Sudan.
Speaker 2: Yeah he wears cowboy hat and cowboy boots. So we
Speaker 2: see we ain't we ain't seen none of this the
Speaker 2: whole time. All of a sudden, we look up. We
Speaker 2: see range rovers, we see escalades, we see Mercedes Bens
Speaker 2: and we see BMW And it looked like something out
Speaker 2: of a Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie. They moving like that.
Speaker 2: We just see this ent roge of cars coming up
Speaker 2: to the place of the ship right pulls up to
Speaker 2: like the ship in the movies.
Speaker 3: Those stunt drivers, the motherfuckers exist, they pull up, security
Speaker 3: gets out right, so the Vice President of South Sudan
Speaker 3: gets out and we in the sound check and the
Speaker 3: vice president walks in there and this shit is scary man,
Speaker 3: motherfuckers with machine huns this and there, and you know,
Speaker 3: the vice president, he's different.
Speaker 2: Where's the rapper? Where's I'm come to see the like
Speaker 2: with that idiot, I mean ship? Where's the high My
Speaker 2: DJ his ful like, he's right here. So I come.
Speaker 2: The guy comes to me and he's literally taking me
Speaker 2: like this. He comes, I want to see the all
Speaker 2: this the wrapper rapp and he's fuck yo, He's like,
Speaker 2: start right, He's shaking me the wrappers and like that.
Speaker 2: So then you I want to see your show. And
Speaker 2: then he sits down in the showtime and he's sitting there.
Speaker 2: The thing what's funny about this story is that he's
Speaker 2: fucking the you know, the one like the mean ship
Speaker 2: like war lord. I want to see your show and
Speaker 2: he said, and he's sitting there. So I'm thinking, yo,
Speaker 2: if I ain't dope, it's my right, you know. But
Speaker 2: he's sitting there.
Speaker 3: Everybody's around him and all the people it's about or
Speaker 3: what do you say about two andre and fift people.
Speaker 2: They all in the back like his soldiers. The regular okay,
Speaker 2: the regular people, okay, crowd. You know, first one I
Speaker 2: was in like this, they like, oh, it's damnsey. But
Speaker 2: when he came, oh oh, when he came, okay, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like some scary dictator shape, like I'm thank
Speaker 2: you damn. If I ain't dope, this is gonna be crazy.
Speaker 2: So then my DJ Charlie Chan, he just go, yo,
Speaker 2: d just do what the fuck you do? So I said,
Speaker 2: all right, you know he's thinking, you know, fift week,
Speaker 2: So yo, y'all come up to the front. We pull
Speaker 2: the people up the front. We performed like forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: We had those aft your hands and the records Breakdow
Speaker 2: knew the recket so but that was my craziest experience ever.
Speaker 3: But you know, Russia's cool. We went into Moscow. They know,
Speaker 3: they fucking know mob deep there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They know they know underground and ship like that. But
Speaker 3: South Sudan, what was beautiful is they knew Park, they
Speaker 3: knew Big, they knew.
Speaker 2: Our hip hop. But it was the scariest trip of
Speaker 2: my life. Let me ask you, because You mentioned Poking
Speaker 2: Big a couple of times, right, and you said that
Speaker 2: you was on tour with Parc and Big together. No not,
Speaker 2: you opened up separate, separate, right, We opened up for them.
Speaker 2: So two pac question, you saw the relationship that they
Speaker 2: were cool? No? No, I never seen them together. They
Speaker 2: opened up for pucking Big at two times. This was
Speaker 2: after they split.
Speaker 3: When I first met Park. What was crazy about?
Speaker 2: What park? We played?
Speaker 3: What's the biggest mall in the world, I think was
Speaker 3: Minnesota or something like that, all of America. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so we was we was, we was doing the show.
Speaker 3: They was open for Park and Yo, let's go to
Speaker 3: the mall. You know, that's what you do when you
Speaker 3: go to So we go to the mall and it
Speaker 3: was just crazy about I saw this happened when we
Speaker 3: walked in the mall. I don't know if they got
Speaker 3: a single Park out, but the security, the police officer
Speaker 3: just walked over there and said, you take your hat
Speaker 3: off like were walking in the mall.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Jay got his hand, but
Speaker 2: the police off and then poked you like what the fuck? Seman?
Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking yo, Pop calm now, and
Speaker 2: this is that boom boom boom boom boom, whatever what
Speaker 2: I mean. Jay's like, yo, man, how you gonna tell
Speaker 2: Park to You ain't tell me to take my minds off.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a pop thing police No,
Speaker 2: probably yeah, yeah, yeah that's probably why. Yeah, that's probably why.
Speaker 2: But I saw that. But overall, Park was brilliant.
Speaker 3: He was cool, he was funny, and all he could
Speaker 3: fucking talk about was the fuck he I think he
Speaker 3: even made a whole record about it. His whole ship
Speaker 3: was trying to convince me that I'm legit, Like if
Speaker 3: you like you know what I'm saying, which is beautiful,
Speaker 3: Which is beautiful. But yeah, we hung went Park, We
Speaker 3: hung went Big. Big was just like Big was like
Speaker 3: who could I describe Big? Right?
Speaker 2: Big was just like fucking he was just lovable, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm saying he was.
Speaker 3: He was just a funny, lovable like him and Jay
Speaker 3: really got along because you know, Jay flying Jason moved
Speaker 3: a lot of weed too, and sh yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah they have blunts. Yeah you know, so where was
Speaker 2: you at when you kind of like see you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're they're like this, this is like this is
Speaker 2: like I want to say, there's always been beef and
Speaker 2: hip hop because like there's always been like the battles
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and these battles kind of like
Speaker 2: sometimes it into something. Of course, this was the first,
Speaker 2: like this was the first difference was like, how did
Speaker 2: you feel like, you know what I mean, you being
Speaker 2: one of the architects of hip hop and these people
Speaker 2: taking it this far? And well, I kind of understood it,
Speaker 2: but I don't think people, I don't think the media,
Speaker 2: and I don't think people like us. We didn't get
Speaker 2: vocal enough because what was happening in the beginning of it,
Speaker 2: it was almost like the two rival the two rival
Speaker 2: high school teams. The players settled a beef on the field.
Speaker 2: But if I see you fuck you, this and that,
Speaker 2: this and that. So there was no there was no
Speaker 2: this did not this, There was no determined there was
Speaker 2: no describing that this should just stay on record. But
Speaker 2: then it was it was different. It was more deeper
Speaker 2: because Pop felt something personally was done to him. But
Speaker 2: but the East coast, West coast ward, we never seen it. Right,
Speaker 2: we was going over there, but see it's a little
Speaker 2: different LUs the same thing. We just interviewed him and
Speaker 2: he said he was never affected by the East Coast West.
Speaker 3: He was another col sug Knight was gonna buy us.
Speaker 3: Sug Knight was gonna put run DMC on death row
Speaker 3: records proper they were starting.
Speaker 2: He was going not definitely, No, he's gonna put us
Speaker 2: on death row. We had a meeting with him at
Speaker 2: and Beverly Hill. We had a big the Beverly Hill. James. No,
Speaker 2: I don't think we.
Speaker 3: Would have had to neither.
Speaker 2: We had meeting with Sure. This was like when death
Speaker 2: Row was right at their height.
Speaker 3: Before, right before U the downfall of it. I do
Speaker 3: remember these rooms, you know, I'm saying. We sat there
Speaker 3: with him and he said, buy you off that you're
Speaker 3: running them. See, I mean a lot to this culture.
Speaker 3: And they said, you know you got to say something
Speaker 3: about sugar.
Speaker 2: Sugar aright.
Speaker 3: He had right intention because every time I see him,
Speaker 3: me ma Orka, he used to just show up and
Speaker 3: come and sit down and say, man, you know it
Speaker 3: used to come here.
Speaker 2: Huh No.
Speaker 3: No, this was in a sushi restaurant, or it was
Speaker 3: at the Mandrion Club or whatever. And he said, you know,
Speaker 3: we was just amazed and he said, Shug said this.
Speaker 3: We were just so amazed that when your cast came
Speaker 3: here from New York and he said this, we were
Speaker 3: just so amazed to see how you're stuck together because
Speaker 3: remember running m CLL this and we moved together.
Speaker 2: It was just something about I don't know boy, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, and he talked about that. But he
Speaker 2: said he was gonna buyas bring us on to death
Speaker 2: Row because he says, death Row we at the top
Speaker 2: right now, and you should be with the top row,
Speaker 2: you know, that whole ship. And then somebody else had
Speaker 2: told me now that motherfucker was doing that ship so
Speaker 2: he can fucking take the kings from the East and
Speaker 2: throw it in their face. Yeah, I don't even got
Speaker 2: your run DMCs. Now, I didn't think about it like that.
Speaker 4: I don't you know what I'm saying, because he did
Speaker 4: that with with Hammer too, where he brought Hammer.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Hammer's on the West. But I think
Speaker 3: he genuinely appreciated it.
Speaker 2: No, he did. The two three times that I sat
Speaker 2: with Shook personally with no rud Ro, I didn't see
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 3: He generally like, was they they they wanted to have
Speaker 3: the thing I talked about that we were doing with
Speaker 3: hip hop outside of the business. So I think Shug
Speaker 3: wanted to have run DMC as the the holy grail.
Speaker 4: It's like the ultimate trophy, right if you're a hip
Speaker 4: hop head and you have power money, what's.
Speaker 2: The un see? And I gave a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And I remember the night Pop died, we was the
Speaker 2: what was the club that they had in Vegas? Vegas?
Speaker 2: Seven Biggies six Yeah, yeah, yeah like that.
Speaker 3: So we was hired by them to perform at the
Speaker 3: after party m for the Tyson Fight.
Speaker 2: For the Tyson Fight.
Speaker 3: Wow, bro, this is this is one. This is when
Speaker 3: the Luxe was. I got married with the Luxey. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this one was new like it was flash it so
Speaker 3: I'll never forget. Brought us there, paid for everything we
Speaker 3: used to hire in entertainment.
Speaker 2: So y'all was there that night in Vegas. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you what holy ship. So we get a call
Speaker 2: against the call. It shook, Yo. This is a funny jay. Sorry, Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm coming to me and Pop coming and get y'all
Speaker 2: you're gonna ride to the fight with us, because remember
Speaker 2: who was in the in the in the in the
Speaker 2: the seven fifteen with them. Nobody was in the back seat.
Speaker 2: Me running Ja was supposed to be in that back seat.
Speaker 3: Whoa, he calls, calls a look, say yo, I'm coming
Speaker 3: to get y'all park. We want you to ride to
Speaker 3: the fight with us. Y'all going ahead without us? Why,
Speaker 3: what's the problem Jay's getting dressed? What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Just show Dn standing there. When Jay would get dressed,
Speaker 3: Jay would have all his clothes out there. It's worse
Speaker 3: than your wife or girl. Again, how does this look?
Speaker 3: Just in that for like three hours.
Speaker 2: The reason why we didn't ride to the fight with
Speaker 2: Pocket because Jay was getting dressed.
Speaker 8: Jay would spend hours. He's seriously, you'll be telling us
Speaker 8: that's coolk hold and you would like it would be
Speaker 8: a fashion show.
Speaker 2: That reget my lion. Day's getting dressed. This case is
Speaker 2: a blessing, right, so huge blessing. So we say we
Speaker 2: meet at the after part. We get to the after party.
Speaker 2: Hammer's there, the whole crew, everybody's there, melm and everybody's there,
Speaker 2: this and that. So yeah, yeah, did he have one
Speaker 2: little pants? No, he didn't have a pan.
Speaker 3: This was the suit rich tuxedo, joins Hammer. So we
Speaker 3: in the club waiting for the fight to end. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, one dude comes in. It's about maybe
Speaker 3: one hundred people in there. They all leave, empty cup
Speaker 3: music all. A guy comes in with a briefcase.
Speaker 2: To me running Jay. Everybody leaves. God comes with the briefcase.
Speaker 2: Put the briefcase, opens it up. It's all casts two
Speaker 2: grand cash. Yeah, y'all getting paid to nine No show,
Speaker 2: go home. Wow, we got to pay like we didn't
Speaker 2: know what's going on. So next morning I had an
Speaker 2: afternoon flight. I'm in the gym on a on a treadmill.
Speaker 2: And then CNN last night in Vegas, Tupacus show. Oh Ship,
Speaker 2: that's why it happened.
Speaker 3: So I didn't find out Pa got shot till the
Speaker 3: next morning, and I find out that's why, y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about we in the club like this, honey,
Speaker 2: my phone. One dude comes in, the whole.
Speaker 3: Guy comes in like Ship out of the movies. Briefcake
Speaker 3: paid us in cash, y'all go home, no show tonight.
Speaker 3: I didn't find out till the next morning night Paca show.
Speaker 3: But the reason why you could ask Eric, we coming
Speaker 3: to get y'all and.
Speaker 2: We I'm like, oh shit, I'm begging with pocket Shug.
Speaker 2: No you're not why Eric, Because he's getting dressed and
Speaker 2: he was at the Luxe. Aw as well, because that
Speaker 2: picture with Pocket and Shug is in front of the Luxe.
Speaker 3: I said, one in the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in front of the luxew That's what I
Speaker 2: said tonight. Yeah, they left and we had to wait
Speaker 2: for Jay to get dressed. Yeah, that's my favorite hotel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, I love Yeah, came out there exactly we did.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: I would have I would have never put you guys
Speaker 3: in that scenario.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have never said that. I would have never.
Speaker 2: But you know it's like, yo, who were going to
Speaker 2: get to put run DMC alright, It's like, oh ship right,
Speaker 2: so that's honorable. It's like but you know, I say,
Speaker 2: they could have win, got pop, could have did the afterpart.
Speaker 2: They wanted to death Row wanted us to so they
Speaker 2: can sit there as the audience. That's flysh what man wild?
Speaker 3: Do you want to go back to the Dominican thing?
Speaker 2: Oh? All right? So what did I hear that you
Speaker 2: was Dominican? Where's this our MTV or something? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I did a special my adoption journey. Okay,
Speaker 3: when Down with the King came out right, Uh, put
Speaker 3: us back on the road, back on the charge video
Speaker 3: on it. The very next day after the video, I
Speaker 3: woke up and I wanted to kill myself.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know. I just woke up.
Speaker 3: I said, I don't want to live no more. Wow,
Speaker 3: God bless, And it was just void in me and
Speaker 3: I ain't know what it was. And I said to
Speaker 3: why am I for the fuck? And I sat and
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, you back at where you was
Speaker 3: this and that that's not enough. Something's missing. It was
Speaker 3: just something missing, and I was like, okay, let me
Speaker 3: look at my life. John McDaniels for Hollis Queens, New
Speaker 3: York Banners, my mother Bifer's, my father office, my brother runs,
Speaker 3: my pal, Jay's, my DJ.
Speaker 2: This hip hop thing.
Speaker 3: I went first to go go first of all, platic first,
Speaker 3: and the covered room stone first, went to sneaker deals
Speaker 3: this and now I'm back with you, said why am
Speaker 3: I fucking feeling like this? And I didn't know what
Speaker 3: the fuck that shit was and feeling just stuck with me,
Speaker 3: just stuck with me, stuck with me, suck with me,
Speaker 3: and I'm living with it, functioning. And what was crazy
Speaker 3: at this time was in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: I got diagnosed with a cute pancreatitis because I was
Speaker 2: drinking a case of forties a day, and I want
Speaker 2: to tease a case, a case six or twelve forty.
Speaker 3: I put refrigerator in the back of my truck so
Speaker 3: I didn't have to stop at the grocery sevice.
Speaker 2: And this is OEO say not fake all right? Cool?
Speaker 3: I told you earlier I hate fake shit. That's when
Speaker 3: I shot so human.
Speaker 2: That's fake shit. You don't even you don't even take
Speaker 2: that conversation about more liquor. But it's gotta be old
Speaker 2: old gold more liquor too, or yes, old English eight hundred.
Speaker 2: The VC boys brass Monkey is because we wrote slow
Speaker 2: and low with them, poor Revere slow.
Speaker 3: We wrote slow and load for them. We wrote poor
Speaker 3: Revere for them and their brass monkey. Opening rhyme is
Speaker 3: from my old English rhyme. I had a rhyme that
Speaker 3: was about old English. I got this rhyme that's more
Speaker 3: than real. When you drink all English, it's how you
Speaker 3: feel you're reaching the freezer for forty ounce or thirty
Speaker 3: two ounce, whichever counts, you feel each bottle for the
Speaker 3: one that's cold. It's got to be cold when you're
Speaker 3: drinking no gold, but you might get the one that
Speaker 3: you gotta get it hot. That's all they've got a
Speaker 3: dollar thirty five. That is the price. That's not too much.
Speaker 3: If you want to get nice, you pay your money.
Speaker 3: Walk out the door. You say to yourself, I remember
Speaker 3: that store. You're looking around for a place to stem,
Speaker 3: and with a quarter old English inside your hand, you
Speaker 3: crack the cort. You put it to your lip, you
Speaker 3: tilt it slightly, and you take a ship now. And
Speaker 3: by now you should know the deal, because that one
Speaker 3: ship you already feel. You feel in bold. So you
Speaker 3: try to guzzle, and you do it again, because it
Speaker 3: ain't no puzzle. Sat this own English ride that they
Speaker 3: just said, we got this ride, and that's on than meal.
Speaker 3: When you drink braskemall get is how you feel. So
Speaker 3: I was drinking a case of forty is a day
Speaker 3: and I got a q pancreatitis I.
Speaker 2: Was going through.
Speaker 3: I didn't have no well. I guess this is a
Speaker 3: symptom of depression. I can't drink no more but then
Speaker 3: down when the king comes out. So when that elevation came,
Speaker 3: it pushed me further down. So I got to the
Speaker 3: point where I didn't want to live with this feeling
Speaker 3: in me right, so I said him, I kill myself.
Speaker 3: But before I go, I got records, I got videos.
Speaker 3: I think there's two books on us. I want to
Speaker 3: leave a book because I want people to know Daryl,
Speaker 3: the guy behind it, King of Rock. So I came
Speaker 3: up with the idea, just in case I kill myself tomorrow,
Speaker 3: I want to write a book and I'm gona go, Yo,
Speaker 3: what's up, world, I'm Darald McDaniels. You know me DMC
Speaker 3: from the groundbreaking rap group Run DMC first to Go
Speaker 3: Go First, to Go Platinum first, and a cover of
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone First.
Speaker 2: With the secret deals. Everything that hip hop is doing.
Speaker 3: They say it's because of me Running Jay, but I'm
Speaker 3: really just Daryl McDaniels, no different from any boiled girl
Speaker 3: on the face of the earth. I was born May
Speaker 3: thirty first, nineteen sixty four, and and I was like
Speaker 3: I was going to make that.
Speaker 2: I realized I didn't know no details about the day
Speaker 2: was going, so I called my mom's up.
Speaker 3: Now at this time, for anybody listening, I should have said, Mom,
Speaker 3: I want to kill like I should have let it out,
Speaker 3: but guilt, shame, not wanting to be vulnerable. Plus I'm
Speaker 3: a rap I gotta be cool, and I'm a black
Speaker 3: man and all that shit. And I don't want to
Speaker 3: bother on my mother with this stuff that I'll do
Speaker 3: it by myself. That's just the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 3: But I said, Mom, I'm writing this book, and just
Speaker 3: to make it more interesting for the reader, I want
Speaker 3: to know three things about the day was born.
Speaker 2: How much should I wait? What time? What hospital?
Speaker 3: So she tells me, I love you, I love you,
Speaker 3: so I love you to my hump. The phone, ourl
Speaker 3: goes by. She calls back with my father.
Speaker 2: At this point in my life, I'm an alcoholic suicide
Speaker 2: of metaphysical spiritual record's thinking of killing himself. Who can't
Speaker 2: drink no more? Because I wanted to drink to help
Speaker 2: me deal with emotions and stuff that I was feeling,
Speaker 2: so I could suppress those emotions.
Speaker 3: And the phone rings and my mother says, it's my
Speaker 3: mother and father. So I'm thirty five years old. Now
Speaker 3: I went the king is killing and I'm suicidal. We
Speaker 3: have something else to tell.
Speaker 2: You, So I'm thinking she's gonna go, Well, when you
Speaker 2: was born, there was a power outist in the hospital
Speaker 2: who gave birth to you by canadlelight. No, she hit
Speaker 2: me with this. We have something else to tell you.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: You was a month old when we brought you home,
Speaker 3: and you're adopted and we love.
Speaker 2: You by click that They didn't when she hung up
Speaker 2: the phone. Know my mother and father.
Speaker 3: Honey, honey, he's asking it is We gotta tell him
Speaker 3: right now, so they rushed the phone.
Speaker 2: You tell him, No, you tell I can see my
Speaker 2: mother yet you It was my fucker. When you take
Speaker 2: people by thirty five years old and you at a
Speaker 2: month old. I found out I was adopted at thirty five.
Speaker 2: Then I found out that I was a foster kid.
Speaker 2: So long story short, that made me really want to
Speaker 2: kill myself. Because of that revelation, I started drinking again.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not supposed to be drinking, and my wife
Speaker 2: love my wife, Surrey. She keeps it well. I say
Speaker 2: I'm drinking because making excuses. I'm drinking because I'm celebrating
Speaker 2: newfound part of my identity that I didn't know about.
Speaker 2: She looked me in my eye. I love women.
Speaker 3: Motherfucker.
Speaker 2: You fucking drinking because you can't handle the fact that
Speaker 2: you just found out that you was adopted, because think
Speaker 2: about my whole career. Christmas timing, don't stop doing my show.
Speaker 2: I was thirty.
Speaker 3: I found out that I was adopted when I was
Speaker 3: thirty five years old. Okay, and then the Dominican thing came.
Speaker 3: They called back, They called back Rain and this is fun.
Speaker 2: Are you okay?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because he just released and
Speaker 3: then they goes, well, all we know is your mother
Speaker 3: was in Hamilton Heights right up to above Washington Heights.
Speaker 3: Where who's in Washington Heights? And we think you're Dominicans.
Speaker 3: So this is my mother and father. I'm dealing with
Speaker 3: all this ancients in motion. They tell her I'm Dominican.
Speaker 3: So from that day for five years, I'm running around
Speaker 3: the world telling everybody I just found out that I'm
Speaker 3: adopted Dominican and the Dominicans. I love my wife for
Speaker 3: my wife's.
Speaker 2: Know.
Speaker 3: You want to know.
Speaker 2: I went out.
Speaker 3: There's a Dominican rapper, anybody knows name Alpha. It's a fake.
Speaker 2: No, no, he said, oh Meg, somebody tiego from Budemco's
Speaker 2: a Dominican rapper who's face.
Speaker 3: So I go out and buy all this Dominican rapmer.
Speaker 3: I'm going buy Dominican cook books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Daddy, Yankee tells me, and I believe in her, say,
Speaker 2: I'll do it.
Speaker 3: You should be the grand Marshrew of the Dominican Parade.
Speaker 3: I'm going fall I'm telling Bill Adler, I'm telling Bill
Speaker 3: asked Bill, I'm calling him, telling him give me everything
Speaker 3: on Dominican art.
Speaker 2: That's Bill Ella and all of this. Suffen.
Speaker 3: I love my wife, my wife, Sorry, she the whole time, Darryl.
Speaker 3: Don't you think you should find out?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, my mother and fall Byford in bed they know what.
Speaker 3: So going on going on, going on on, So long
Speaker 3: story short, I do it, search and I find my
Speaker 3: birth mother. I grew up in Queens. She was in
Speaker 3: Stanton Island all the time. Wow, Just which is Craig
Speaker 3: Burrow kind of like right over?
Speaker 2: And the reason why she was in Hamilton Heights she
Speaker 2: was living in Hamilton Heights at the time she was
Speaker 2: pregnant with me. No, she was living in Hamilton Heights
Speaker 2: before she got pregnant with me. Her father moved the
Speaker 2: family to Stanton Island, but her boyfriend was there, so
Speaker 2: she would always leave.
Speaker 3: Stanton Island go back to Hamilton Heights to see her boyfriend.
Speaker 3: And the thing was, she was like eighteen years old.
Speaker 3: She was like, yo, don't fuck around and get pregnant.
Speaker 3: So she went around and got pregnant.
Speaker 2: With my first brother and in Normatti yet and they
Speaker 2: were say, yo, don't do the city. She got pregnant
Speaker 2: with me. When she came over with me, there was
Speaker 2: no way they could keep me, so they gave me up.
Speaker 2: So to answer you a question, so I figure, I
Speaker 2: see my birth bumping. I yeah, this is that boombering.
Speaker 2: It's good to meet you. And she I go, who's
Speaker 2: Dominican then? And I said, I'm Dominican, right. She says, no,
Speaker 2: who told you that Dominican? And I'm like, oh, because
Speaker 2: that the month before me My wife.
Speaker 3: Is a Dominican publication that I just ran into this
Speaker 3: guy walking down on Broadway by asked the place.
Speaker 2: And he was like, yo, DMC, you what we wanted
Speaker 2: a venue for hip hop? And I'm like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm Dominican too. I did a whole interview about
Speaker 2: being a Dominican, so my mama to be I had
Speaker 2: to call it the guy up. Yoh, yo.
Speaker 3: We got a problem. We got a big problem. We
Speaker 3: got a big problem was that I just found my birth.
Speaker 3: When I found out that I ain't Dominican, should have
Speaker 3: hurt his for Oh that's not good, bro y'all like
Speaker 3: that whole thing. But then we squared it up.
Speaker 2: But the cool thing about it was he got back
Speaker 2: on the phone and said, I told my whole audience
Speaker 2: and stuff like that video. But he said, no, you're
Speaker 2: down with us anyway, because you're DMC. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But I thought I was Dominican, nor because
Speaker 2: I found out at age thirty five that I was
Speaker 2: adopted and blew.
Speaker 3: And after me and my mother had those two conversations,
Speaker 3: the next thing that happened was this. The phone rang
Speaker 3: for a week because there's all my cousins that I
Speaker 3: grew up with who are now thirty five forty fish.
Speaker 2: No right, they're not my blood cousins. OK.
Speaker 3: These are family. I'm thanking and I'm one of them.
Speaker 3: They call and go, oh, dar, we're so glad your
Speaker 3: mother we helped that in for thirty five, Oh, Derek, Samantha, Eve, Craig, Sharon, Sonya,
Speaker 3: all of them when they Christmas in Hollish right in
Speaker 3: my in my house in Hollie Queen's. If it was Christmas, Thanksgiving, graduation, wedding,
Speaker 3: it was always at the McDaniel's family house. Everything my
Speaker 3: mount's putting on you. So my cousins reveal this to me,
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about since they were little, every time.
Speaker 3: We're going over to McDaniels for Thanksgiving, we're going over
Speaker 3: to McDaniels for Christmas, We're going over to McDaniels for
Speaker 3: the birthday. We're going on over McDaniels because such and
Speaker 3: such graduating kids, kids come to the room. Sit down,
Speaker 3: these kids for thirty five years. What's the rule when
Speaker 3: we go over to mister and mister McDaniels house. Nobody
Speaker 3: let Darryl know he's adopted. Oh my god, Oh my god, so,
Speaker 3: oh my yeah.
Speaker 2: Here, I'm getting ready to do a movie about not
Speaker 2: a biopic, you're ready to do a movie about that situation.
Speaker 2: And no, that's and to think the thing about it was,
Speaker 2: it's it's just just two things. When I met other
Speaker 2: adopted people.
Speaker 3: I love my parents for not telling me because they
Speaker 3: were afraid that it might do something. Because my brother
Speaker 3: who's there, biological Alfred, he says, what happened was my
Speaker 3: mother had other Forster kids that went back to the families,
Speaker 3: because I remember cousins that I had that I didn't
Speaker 3: see nowise we were growing up. Those were kids that
Speaker 3: went back, and my parents officially adopted me when I
Speaker 3: was five years old. But my brother Alfred said, we
Speaker 3: had this other kid, what was the same name as Oscar.
Speaker 3: I remember the day he left, and I just remember
Speaker 3: my brother's three. I think my brother was six, and
Speaker 3: I just remember my brother telling me because mother's here
Speaker 3: to get him, and I'm like, okay, my aunt's here
Speaker 3: to get Oscar. I'm gona see him next week. Never
Speaker 3: saw him again. Then there was other little girls and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But my brother said this would happen
Speaker 3: and this is what's crazy about all the comic books
Speaker 3: and all the shit, and this has to do with
Speaker 3: rigs too. So every kid went back. And I'm in
Speaker 3: there playing with my toys in the porch and anest
Speaker 3: queens and my my mother. But dounthin Mather looks over
Speaker 3: at my father and this is funny. What are we
Speaker 3: gonna do with this one? It's like a you know,
Speaker 3: a pet. Take him back to the shelf. My father
Speaker 3: says this. My brother says, Oh, you know what, I
Speaker 3: think we all adopt this one because you never know
Speaker 3: he might grow up and do something that will change
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: So it's in front of you, you, in front of
Speaker 2: my brother. Oh okay, okay. Even though I'm little, he
Speaker 2: heard them say that, and then you know, he even
Speaker 2: called Daryn, I'm so glad Mama tell you that, because
Speaker 2: I didn't want you to find out on their deathbed,
Speaker 2: because a lot of time docs that don't get told.
Speaker 2: We cleaning out the house and I'm going, what's these papers?
Speaker 2: That would have been really crazy, So at least they
Speaker 2: got to get it out before they passed away.
Speaker 3: So my brother, what I was gonna say was his
Speaker 3: was crazy about all the superheroes. When I was growing up.
Speaker 3: The only people that I felt I could connect to
Speaker 3: what the superheroes and the comic books. And if you
Speaker 3: think about it, most superheroes are nerdy, geeky, awkward people
Speaker 3: struggling in their regular lives. But then rig Sent meet
Speaker 3: but they turned into these people when I met is
Speaker 3: spider Man often. I was just gonna say that, talk
Speaker 3: about Rix. So Riggs, we have this comic book meeting
Speaker 3: and we're doing that and boom ban Man. About two
Speaker 3: or three weeks later, Riggs discovers my adoption story theself.
Speaker 3: So I come back in the office and he's doing
Speaker 3: this and I'm like, hi, Rick, same way when they
Speaker 3: meant and he goes like this, Jo D, this is
Speaker 3: fucking crazy. And Rix says, Yo, D, you are really
Speaker 3: on some superhero shit. I was like, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 2: Says Yo.
Speaker 3: Most superheroes are adopted or have a family issue, or
Speaker 3: Superman came from someone that. That's what my mother and
Speaker 3: father did. Clark, there's something we need to tell You're
Speaker 3: not really from We love you, but you're not what
Speaker 3: you have this thing, that's what that Spider Man from Queens.
Speaker 3: It had to be raised my aunt May Batman what
Speaker 3: happened seeing his parents get killed in front. So everybody
Speaker 3: has those issues. But all of that led to me
Speaker 3: when when I first met Rix, he goes, do you
Speaker 3: look my superhero? But going back to that, when I
Speaker 3: found my birth mother, she goes, I know you're dying
Speaker 3: to know why I gave you up.
Speaker 2: My birth mom is his name is bern Senia.
Speaker 3: My adopted parents thought I was actually Dominican because of
Speaker 3: the whole Washington House Hamilton Heights. But when they was
Speaker 3: doing the adoption transaction, they just remember they thought my
Speaker 3: mother's name was Bernarda, so Bernarda and Dominic in the area.
Speaker 3: That's what they thought about. My mother's name is Brincinia.
Speaker 3: But she says, I know you're dying to know why
Speaker 3: I gave you up. And I was like shit, Lady
Speaker 3: that said, I understand, and she hit me with this,
Speaker 3: I gave you up to give you a chance. So
Speaker 3: then all of this and went back to the void.
Speaker 3: When down went the King went back up. When down
Speaker 3: with the King went up, and I went into the depression,
Speaker 3: that was you know, it's like one of the gods
Speaker 3: just says, Mercury, fly down and revealed to him.
Speaker 2: Who he really is.
Speaker 3: When I went into the depression. It's same when I
Speaker 3: met my birthfather. She said, you was going through a
Speaker 3: depression right that time. Nineteen ninety three, Down went the King,
Speaker 3: she said, in nineteen ninety three, her secret that she
Speaker 3: knew she had given me up. Her best friend turns
Speaker 3: to her, No, her daughter turns to.
Speaker 2: My sister. Jeeta turns they're watching an adoption thing on TV.
Speaker 2: And my sister turns to my mother joking you, I
Speaker 2: have no secrets out there. My mother says, yes, I do.
Speaker 2: Geter goes what we gave this kissing so they never
Speaker 2: knew it was me. My brother I found out had
Speaker 2: a sister and two brothers. I didn't know about my
Speaker 2: older brother. Mark to this day.
Speaker 3: Looks like the eighty six DMC glasses goatey and this
Speaker 3: is gonna blow your mind, he draws. So his whole
Speaker 3: life from rock box to downwent the king, his whole life.
Speaker 3: He got this, Mark, Mark, come here that god DMC
Speaker 3: could be your brother. Eighty six Mark markham by eighty eight,
Speaker 3: I know, motherfucking DMC could be my brother.
Speaker 2: Come to find out DMC. How crazy is that? So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I found out that I was adopted. I thought
Speaker 3: I was diminishing because I was trying to grasp on
Speaker 3: any identifying and understandable to.
Speaker 4: Fill the boys and all of this is how you
Speaker 4: segued into advocating for mental health.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: And can you talk about some of the stuff you're
Speaker 3: doing in that?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So out of that that whole brought up this
Speaker 2: is just crazy.
Speaker 3: It didn't end it though, Alcoholic suicide and metaphysical wreck
Speaker 3: who just found out that he was adopted and was
Speaker 3: a forster kid. Jim I said, Jay, get shine help
Speaker 3: and then and then and there yet I remember my
Speaker 3: mother father. Three months later, my father died. I remember
Speaker 3: the night Jay died. My father goes, why would anybody
Speaker 3: want to kill Jay? This is such a then my father,
Speaker 3: so imagine what I was dealing with. But then I
Speaker 3: met another adopted person who said thee there's something that
Speaker 3: you need to do.
Speaker 2: I was like, what's that? And when I found out
Speaker 2: I was adopted, Remember.
Speaker 3: I had pancreatitis, I started drinking again and so I'm
Speaker 3: drinking and someff.
Speaker 2: But then somebody said, deep, you need to go to therapy.
Speaker 3: At first, I ain't going to no fucking therapy that
Speaker 3: and then I said, okay, fuck it with Tony Stark,
Speaker 3: so Peter Parker go to therapy.
Speaker 2: I had to depend on my coun So I went
Speaker 2: to therapy and I found out therapy it's really ooh.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't ashamed to talk about it because hip
Speaker 2: hop has taught me or keep it real. So how
Speaker 2: the work started was I go to therapy and in therapy,
Speaker 2: the therapist doesn't help you. Therapy helps you. The therapist
Speaker 2: doesn't help you. So a lot of people don't want
Speaker 2: to do. No, you gotta go because the therapist is
Speaker 2: just a decoy to do two things for you, because
Speaker 2: you haven't done it with yourself. Two things happen.
Speaker 3: You say stuff to yourself that you said before but
Speaker 3: you didn't listen to. Or you say stuff that you
Speaker 3: need to hear. You say to yourself but you don't
Speaker 3: want to say it to you in the mirror. That's
Speaker 3: hard facing yourself, so you face So I went to therapy.
Speaker 3: It's cool, I got clean and sob.
Speaker 2: And whatever whatever.
Speaker 3: So when I get out of therapy. The reason why
Speaker 3: this book happened and the reason why home I do
Speaker 3: what I do is for a very funny reason. My
Speaker 3: partner Run during that time had Runs House, very successful show.
Speaker 3: Ten seasons of it was in the bathtob of the BlackBerry.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 3: So the first season people would watch it and they know,
Speaker 3: I know at the inn finale, DMC is gonna show up.
Speaker 2: I didn't show up season one. I know this shit.
Speaker 2: I didn't show up the three. So after I get
Speaker 2: our therapy and rehab, I get this question, Norri, everywhere
Speaker 2: I go, why you ain't on Runs House?
Speaker 3: What's the beef the whole social media shit, and that's
Speaker 3: in that they GMC's pouring and cared Russell and run
Speaker 3: got Bentley's and this and that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the reason why I run.
Speaker 3: DMC ain't together is because Jay's dead out about that.
Speaker 3: We can't replace our fucking drama. Oh I forgot about that?
Speaker 3: So where you been DMC and me? Keeping it real?
Speaker 3: I go, well, I was gonna kill my I tell
Speaker 3: people this, but I just told you so. These people
Speaker 3: are coming at me on the celebrity DMC shit. They
Speaker 3: see the mighty king of rock who walked his way
Speaker 3: in as Adidas while telling the world how tricky life
Speaker 3: could be.
Speaker 2: But now I'm saying, you know, I was gonna kill myself.
Speaker 2: I was alcoholic and everybody was going twelve I want
Speaker 2: to say the forty, twelve forty, and then two things,
Speaker 2: twelve fucking forties. Yet over the phone, yere this and that.
Speaker 2: But every time I would do that E I would
Speaker 2: get this reaction. These people would stop, look around like
Speaker 2: the CIA was around, and.
Speaker 3: They would whisper to me, I've never told anybody this,
Speaker 3: d me to wow. Now they're telling they didn't tell that.
Speaker 3: Workers family, They struggling like ours. But because I'm damn
Speaker 3: c adda my ada, and I just revealed at them.
Speaker 2: Now they're safe.
Speaker 3: They would tell me, but this isn't when that hurt me,
Speaker 3: This is what got me working. If it wasn't them,
Speaker 3: they would look around, and this is what stigma exists.
Speaker 3: People are guilty and shame and afraid. But this is
Speaker 3: the one that I hate the most. They were looking
Speaker 3: around and.
Speaker 2: If they didn't say me too, they would go I've
Speaker 2: never told anybody this, but my mother, my daughter, my father.
Speaker 2: So that hit me up. You mean, for the last
Speaker 2: eight ish your daughter's home smoking meth and struggling, and
Speaker 2: you're worried about how people going to think about you
Speaker 2: for having that daughter. So I said, let me get
Speaker 2: more vocal about So I just started going to wherever
Speaker 2: I was invited. Once people on my story, I was sharp,
Speaker 2: and I'd tell my story. I would go to high schools,
Speaker 2: I would go to middle schools. I would go to
Speaker 2: group homes. I would go to Forster Care Agency. I
Speaker 2: would go to hospitals. I would go to fire departments.
Speaker 2: I would go to police since because a lot of
Speaker 2: police are having mental issues across the board. Every time
Speaker 2: I talked, I realized what this world has been preparing
Speaker 2: me for through the hip hop the King of Rock.
Speaker 2: Shit was just to set up for what I was
Speaker 2: really put here to do.
Speaker 3: I found out that I'm a billion times more powerful
Speaker 3: telling people when shit isn't going good for me. My
Speaker 3: whole care read was Christmas Tim Hollis Queen's I'm the
Speaker 3: Devastating This and I always reported to y'all my goodness,
Speaker 3: and it was very inspiring. It's even more inspiring when
Speaker 3: I met that a vulnerable, scared, afraid, weak and confused,
Speaker 3: because then those people go, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go get help to you. So that that's why I
Speaker 3: do it. Because of my joke is because of Pete
Speaker 3: rocking Down went the King. I talk about mental health
Speaker 3: because that was a catalyst.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Because in eighty eight, if y'all remember and from No.
Speaker 3: Eighty nine we put out a flop album. We put
Speaker 3: out a flop album called Back from Hell. Y'all don't
Speaker 3: remember it. I don't remember that. You remember the ad?
Speaker 2: No? Do you remember pause when he's doing nw Jack swinging?
Speaker 2: That was part of my depression. I talk about his book.
Speaker 3: Jay was flying, he was doing that. So Jay had
Speaker 3: us doing these new jack swing records and then pause
Speaker 3: was good. People say, oh, that was good and this
Speaker 3: and that. I didn't want to do it, but I
Speaker 3: did it to please then, and it made me drink
Speaker 3: because when Jay said let's do now, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with nu jack swing and all of that shit, I
Speaker 3: just don't like it. Right, This wasn't I don't want
Speaker 3: to rap over that shit. But when I was in therapy,
Speaker 3: my therapist said, motherfucker you. I was diagnosed with suppressed emotions.
Speaker 3: All the drinking I was doing is was because I
Speaker 3: didn't want to tell people the truth.
Speaker 2: About I don't want to do that record. I don't
Speaker 2: want to go to there. I did so much people
Speaker 2: pleasing that I was suppressing with the alcohol.
Speaker 3: So when I got out of rehab, my when I
Speaker 3: got into rehab just happened to me.
Speaker 2: My therapist was I was, what thirty six, so my
Speaker 2: therapist probably was like forty six, forty eight white guy.
Speaker 2: It's a white doctor thing and a clipboard. So he
Speaker 2: comes in for my first therapy session in rehabit and
Speaker 2: he sits down and he says, Darryl during your career.
Speaker 2: Referend DMC that runs Russell or anybody at the record
Speaker 2: company do anything to get you upset. And I'm said,
Speaker 2: and I lie no, And you know, he's said he's
Speaker 2: the doctor, and he got his glasses and I go no.
Speaker 2: He looks up at me and glasses and he does this,
Speaker 2: alasses all start some button in the white cloak. So
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there with just my fucker gonna hear some shit.
Speaker 3: And he sits down and it's crazy. He had I
Speaker 3: weigh him all the time. He had on an AC
Speaker 3: DC shirt. I guess he did that to break the ice.
Speaker 2: He sat there and he looked at me and E
Speaker 2: and he sent you a goddamn mother fucking liar. And
Speaker 2: when he said that to me, yeah, man in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three, must nineteen eighty So I started the man
Speaker 2: Russell did this. I started remember everything profile of you.
Speaker 2: It all poured out of me.
Speaker 3: So when I got out of rehab, this is funny,
Speaker 3: he says to me.
Speaker 2: From now on, D be hip hop, keep it real,
Speaker 2: always tell the truth. And he said it might have
Speaker 2: it might have set some people. They might not like
Speaker 2: you for that moment, but they'll fucking get over it.
Speaker 2: But I also got to be ready to receive it
Speaker 2: to when they do it. But then he says this,
Speaker 2: He says, from now on, speak your truth, Tell the truth,
Speaker 2: no matter what right, and I go. Even if my
Speaker 2: wife asked me if she's sat in this true story.
Speaker 3: Not that one, she all this says out there, this
Speaker 3: is life for not that one. But now you ask
Speaker 3: me my opinion, I give it true truth. I don't
Speaker 3: even want to say truth. Such a free he just said,
Speaker 3: from now on. My manager Eric hates me. Sometimes they're
Speaker 3: going to give you five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Who is it? What is it doing with it?
Speaker 6: For?
Speaker 2: I don't like it? Nope, he think I'm crazy. But
Speaker 2: I'd rather make a hundred thousand dollars five times and
Speaker 2: take to five hundred thousand dollars. I'd rather one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars do the math to get to I'd
Speaker 2: rather make a hundred dollars a thousand, ten thousand times
Speaker 2: to get the million than taking the million foot And
Speaker 2: that's what I was doing my whole career and the
Speaker 2: reason why I bring up the Back from Hell album.
Speaker 2: If you listen to Back from.
Speaker 3: Hell album, The only guy that knew something was going
Speaker 3: wrong artistically run with front of C was Dante Ross.
Speaker 3: But you know what, when we put back from Hell
Speaker 3: Out and Paus out, he was that motherfucker must have
Speaker 3: been in therapy.
Speaker 2: That motherfucker. What the fuck is running deep see doing
Speaker 2: new jack Fish's bullshit like he went him? No, he
Speaker 2: Kevin real, Kevin real.
Speaker 3: But that's what I should have did, and it could
Speaker 3: have went like this, Yo, Then y'all do the records, y'all.
Speaker 3: Ud you know, I have no problem, only want to
Speaker 3: be on the record in the first place I was
Speaker 3: gonna be, so I'm already there. But then the whole
Speaker 3: thing was I mean, when I lost my voice. Russell
Speaker 3: even told one day and day, but you gotta show up.
Speaker 3: The motherfuckers ain't buying Run. They buying Run DMC. So
Speaker 3: you're standing there, shut up. I did millions of show
Speaker 3: when I couldn't rhyme. Imagine that, and you was lip syncing, well,
Speaker 3: Jay was playing the vocals and rhyming over with me.
Speaker 3: So in course of the moment, people don't know, but
Speaker 3: that went on for probably like maybe two and a
Speaker 3: half years maybe, so imagine how I felt. And then
Speaker 3: I even realized those are part of the suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 3: I talk about it in the book I can't. I'm
Speaker 3: thinking I was only put here to rhyme.
Speaker 2: So if you keep superpower, the superhero lose the superpower.
Speaker 3: What happens, But then you realize who you really are.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to go get to operation for my voice.
Speaker 2: It just came back. I was hanging with Chuck d
Speaker 2: one day and it's like that superhero. I started glowing
Speaker 2: and ship like it was. You didn't get an operation nothing,
Speaker 2: So you're just sitting there with Chuck. But well, well
Speaker 2: too to the mental health thing is it's all very mental.
Speaker 2: When I was in therapy, my therapist said, don't let
Speaker 2: nothing define you or your situations or your operations. And
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean, how do you
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 3: She said, you've been doing it your whole life, and
Speaker 3: I never knew this. She said, she brought up to
Speaker 3: where lives can be never singing. The good news is
Speaker 3: that there is a crew. It's about time for a
Speaker 3: brand new group. All other things won't be the same.
Speaker 3: But then she said, don't you know all of your
Speaker 3: most powerful lyrics, like the one that you got just
Speaker 3: ended with you start with this is crazy. And now
Speaker 3: I'm not religious. I think religious to bide. I think
Speaker 3: politics the bid. The arts is the only thing that
Speaker 3: succeeds where politics and religion fails.
Speaker 2: Politics and religion fails us. I agree, I'm saying it, yeah, Religi, yes,
Speaker 2: you holy motherfuckers. That shit fails us. But the arts
Speaker 2: succeeds where politics and religion fail. But she said to
Speaker 2: me this, She said, don't you know most of your
Speaker 2: powerful rhymes start with the two words I am. I'm DMC,
Speaker 2: I'm the son of byfriend, I'm the king of rock,
Speaker 2: I'm the devastating my control of d MC. All my
Speaker 2: i ams manifested into them. I was imperfect. I didn't
Speaker 2: need nothing else.
Speaker 3: But when I forgot about that and I went I
Speaker 3: went to a bunch of voice doctors. One doctor told me,
Speaker 3: and this is before I knew it was mental, there's
Speaker 3: nothing physically wrong with you.
Speaker 2: Your voice is a little red, your throat is a
Speaker 2: little red. Because you're out there every night pushing it.
Speaker 2: Nothing's coming out. You know.
Speaker 3: Obama had wrote a book, and in the book he said,
Speaker 3: your voice isn't how you sound, your voice is who
Speaker 3: you are. So when I found when I'm adopted, Oh
Speaker 3: there's my birth mother screwing the missing pop pop.
Speaker 2: It was all mental was full to Vni Sigul because
Speaker 2: he lost his voice. I haven't spoken to I knew
Speaker 2: what's his name, the DC. He was in a car,
Speaker 2: but I was.
Speaker 3: I was diagnosed with the thing called spasmodic dysphonia, which
Speaker 3: is involuntary spasms of your vocal cord. But my crazy
Speaker 3: diagnosis was you even have one or the other.
Speaker 2: It's abductor or ad doctor like in the gym, they
Speaker 2: have an abductor machine for your length and added the
Speaker 2: doctor diagnosed me with both of them, and then I
Speaker 2: would They gave me the botox shot with the needle.
Speaker 2: The needles about this long.
Speaker 3: I went to Mount Sign and they put both tooks
Speaker 3: in your vocal cords to stop the electric impulses from
Speaker 3: your brain getting there. So they did it to me
Speaker 3: and I passed out and it was like here for
Speaker 3: the number of days that the voice number came back
Speaker 3: until I found my birth It's crazy. So now I
Speaker 3: think what's healing me is therapy is addressing your issues
Speaker 3: because when I.
Speaker 2: Speak, wonders like DMC, I ain't got no money. Like you,
Speaker 2: I can't afford a therapist.
Speaker 3: So what do you tell somebody struggling with an emotion
Speaker 3: or condition, suicidal whatever whatever? I say, Sometimes you don't
Speaker 3: need money for therapy. I say, in your darkest hour,
Speaker 3: when even if you can't smile, there's somebody that you
Speaker 3: think about that brings a smile to your spirit. That's
Speaker 3: the person you go to and do what people was
Speaker 3: doing to me. But I had to get it out
Speaker 3: of you go to I said, it might be you
Speaker 3: know how you grew up in the neighborhood, and you
Speaker 3: love mister Hooper who runs the store, and I've known
Speaker 3: you sent you or the barber that cut your hand.
Speaker 3: Those are the people you go up to here and say, yo,
Speaker 3: I've never told anybody you got to integrat storing like
Speaker 3: this so they understand when it's coming.
Speaker 2: I've never told anybody this. But I want to kill myself.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: And when I speak, there's nothing wrong with a person
Speaker 3: saying they feel like killing themselves. And what you mean
Speaker 3: it's a no, no, no, it's not a good thing,
Speaker 3: but it's nothing wrong with it. For instance, if it's
Speaker 3: hot in here, could I tell you not to feel
Speaker 3: hot if it's a hundred degrees in there?
Speaker 2: Can I tell you not if it's cold outside, Can
Speaker 2: I tell you go out there nor it's Timblau and
Speaker 2: not feel cold? No? Can I tell you not to
Speaker 2: feel hungry? So I'm realizing it's a feeling that they
Speaker 2: have what you have to do when your approach with
Speaker 2: that sit down with the person. And even if it's chemical,
Speaker 2: there's a catalyst, a who, what, when, where and why
Speaker 2: that causes that feeling.
Speaker 3: Find out who, what, when or why it's doing it.
Speaker 3: And here remove my strength of not drinking again. And
Speaker 3: I went to rehab. And when I was in rehab,
Speaker 3: I was in there for thirty days. Oh, I was
Speaker 3: going to do this at Leo's thing, But I get that.
Speaker 2: Don't need you to speak. Just come on stage with me.
Speaker 3: For the fuck out of kot prepare. The whole fuck
Speaker 3: is about your ass.
Speaker 2: I ain't got nothing to do with this fucking music. Pullshit,
Speaker 2: I got you. You can't get it. You know, think
Speaker 2: you forgot because he's telling he's calling Eric and wanted
Speaker 2: me to come.
Speaker 3: And I'm getting back. I gotta speak.
Speaker 2: I speak about him and Kathy, and you'll be in
Speaker 2: my role I get that. I don't need you to
Speaker 2: speak this coming. See.
Speaker 3: I went hit in the back, you know, because I
Speaker 3: don't like to be here. But I gotta come in
Speaker 3: Leon because Leo is part of the people that saved
Speaker 3: my life. Because when I was going through this, Leo
Speaker 3: actually paid for my rehab for me to go to.
Speaker 2: The Rihow darylstricky.
Speaker 3: He can't fucking die.
Speaker 2: We can't have Daryl died. And it was Kathy. I
Speaker 2: love Kathy sime oneas I was disappointed she wasn't in
Speaker 2: l a leor fuck is up with that? Well, okay,
Speaker 2: it was blood.
Speaker 3: So Kathy went to Leo and Leo was I paid
Speaker 3: for Daryl go to fucking meet. I went to fucking
Speaker 3: so I gotta come in and I tell Leo it
Speaker 3: wasn't because of this music shit. I was gonna need you.
Speaker 2: At a die. The reason why we met was much
Speaker 2: deeper in this music shit. But it's cut that to
Speaker 2: hip hop brought us together. So I got out of
Speaker 2: rehabit now I go.
Speaker 3: I did a book called Darryl's Dream, which is a
Speaker 3: story about me in third grade getting teased, bullied, and
Speaker 3: picked on because I want to save my poem and
Speaker 3: other kids don't think it's cool. But then I save
Speaker 3: my poem, I get a standing ovation. Now all the
Speaker 3: motherfucking kids want me to teach them how to say bowdream.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, my cool, just like Nori. All
Speaker 3: the motherfucks that was coming in, motherfucker run. All the
Speaker 3: bullies in the hard rocks, Oh, now you want to
Speaker 3: be my friend?
Speaker 2: Mother. They ain't even waving at me. Now you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You know, motherfucker that took my sneakers
Speaker 2: over there, and the motherfuckers snapped here. You made me Rhyn.
Speaker 3: Now all the hard rocks want to be but it's
Speaker 3: the same stories.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now you know, every year since my childhood,
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like this holiday unless I hear this record, right,
Speaker 2: and I will also give it to Mariah Carry as well.
Speaker 2: Every year. So let me ask you, every year at
Speaker 2: Christmas time, we're cooler because it's hip hop. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah platinum every year Christmas time. No, because all the
Speaker 2: money goes to the special Olympics, Pubblish shit, hel all
Speaker 2: the money was trying to be good niggas back then. No,
Speaker 2: we didn't want to do that shit either. No, No,
Speaker 2: let me tell you another.
Speaker 3: We didn't want to do that ship when they approached us.
Speaker 3: When they want you to know, that's corny fake. There
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be no Christmas wrapping elves like we thought
Speaker 3: it was gonna be corny shit. No, we didn't want
Speaker 3: to do it. It's for the special Olympics. Let them
Speaker 3: find somebody else. Bill Adler shout out to Bill Adler.
Speaker 2: He comes to it. Y'all could do what y'all want
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: He Bill comes and plays us the music, the back
Speaker 3: Door Santa sample.
Speaker 2: Because at first meet Me and Run wasn't gonna do it.
Speaker 2: But when we heard don't.
Speaker 3: We could do that shit give me a pinion. So
Speaker 3: Me and Run we went and wrote our rhymes. But
Speaker 3: every year we don't see no money from that.
Speaker 2: That's all wow. Start to end. Well, let me just
Speaker 2: tell you do this. If I don't hear that record,
Speaker 2: it's not no. Here's where we are with that. And
Speaker 2: this is so cool about hip hop. This was about
Speaker 2: four years ago.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a journalist or is
Speaker 3: doing an interview or whatever they said.
Speaker 2: Who would have thought.
Speaker 3: In the existence of this universe that hip hop would
Speaker 3: do something, would continue to do something phenomenal. After all
Speaker 3: the phenomenal stuff that is done. That's why I believe
Speaker 3: this fifty years of hip hop, yall, we just getting started.
Speaker 3: Still got more to do, innovation, creativity. We got Hollywood
Speaker 3: to take over now and conquer different stories.
Speaker 2: So much to do.
Speaker 3: They said, Christmas used to be Justice Laurie, the black
Speaker 3: guy Nat King Cole singing just not roasting on an
Speaker 3: opening fire right all. The white guy Ben Crosby actually
Speaker 3: singing I'm dreamy. Remember that's Christmas who in a million
Speaker 3: years said that's just going to change. Now they say,
Speaker 3: for the rest of the existence of this universe, it's
Speaker 3: Nat King Cole, Ben Crosby and run MCS Christmas in Hollis.
Speaker 3: That's guy that me my mom. I was like, whoa
Speaker 3: you mean? I'm like Curry Cuomo now. But it's but
Speaker 3: it's a hip hop shit.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying. That's a huge achievement,
Speaker 3: even the Rockawall Hall of Fame. I want people to
Speaker 3: understand something. People always go, d you don't know who
Speaker 3: you are. I do know I am, But that's why
Speaker 3: I have to wring that out of it. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't want free shit, this and that, but I
Speaker 3: don't want appreciate this this in that point the Rock
Speaker 3: and Roll Hall of Fame. Y'all got to understand something.
Speaker 3: We did the video about us being denied entry into
Speaker 3: the place that don't exist. Now when we're allowed to
Speaker 3: get any motherfucker's man. Jeane Simmons, all these mother fucus
Speaker 3: is mad. Jane yeah from kids, Yeah, he was mad.
Speaker 3: He respects us now.
Speaker 7: But.
Speaker 2: Well he was making it hating the point that we
Speaker 2: don't play instruments, so is denied entry into the rock
Speaker 2: roll of Fame. My thing is this.
Speaker 3: You gotta understand. I think this is my most valuable award,
Speaker 3: and let me tell you why, because it's from people.
Speaker 3: Yeah right that my genre and my culture this and that.
Speaker 3: But the Rock Roll of Fame is cool, but me
Speaker 3: having the trophy is not great as this.
Speaker 2: I don't want people to understand this my victory, our victory,
Speaker 2: anybody's victory, but more importantly hip hop's victory. Let them
Speaker 2: all bicker and beef and have the criticism that they
Speaker 2: say that first of all, the blues is the roots, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Everything else is the fruits.
Speaker 2: Number one.
Speaker 3: They got it from all the black blues, all this music,
Speaker 3: alternative hip hop, the black blues artists. And if you
Speaker 3: sit down with Keith Richard's, sit down with Vick Jaggers,
Speaker 3: sit down with Steven Tyler Aerosmith, you sit down with
Speaker 3: Eric Clapton, you got white people.
Speaker 2: And when you talk about rock music, they mentioned the
Speaker 2: blues artists, which is why all of these artists and
Speaker 2: hip hop should know who the fuck supoon these is
Speaker 2: a jazz motherfucker knows who's Miles Davison culture.
Speaker 3: But our victory is this Nori and E. The trophy's cool,
Speaker 3: but I already won when I was just considered. Worry
Speaker 3: enough for the nomination because that tells you your work
Speaker 3: is done. So we're looking for it just to be considered.
Speaker 3: Where don't you got to take her home? But you
Speaker 3: that's your victory. So they can say it's not a genre,
Speaker 3: this and that. When we had walked to Sway in Adidas,
Speaker 3: we do press conferences. Excuse me, run DNJ, Where do
Speaker 3: you think you'll be in three years? They thought we
Speaker 3: was a fat, they thought we was old. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, So it ain't about what other people think,
Speaker 3: It's about what you know.
Speaker 2: You know, a great philosopher once said, I don't fuck
Speaker 2: with people that's talking say I believe, I believe. I believe,
Speaker 2: you don't hear. And that's what's really crazy about religion.
Speaker 2: You believe that shit. You could believe. What the fuck
Speaker 2: you want? One person, I believe it, this is it.
Speaker 2: I believed it. No, no, no, do you know when
Speaker 2: I speak, I see, I know that I know this.
Speaker 2: I know I know. How do you know?
Speaker 3: Because I experience it? And y'all calling me legendary. I
Speaker 3: got hit with this about a couple of months ago.
Speaker 3: I forgot what I was watching and they saying, you know,
Speaker 3: one person isn't legendary. The people calling legendary don't mean
Speaker 3: don't know that. They're part of the legend because they
Speaker 3: were there. It's not about who, it's about who experienced
Speaker 3: it all.
Speaker 2: The person that's calling me a lego, gmory, you a
Speaker 2: fucking legend, they're talking to themselves. The guy said, a
Speaker 2: legend means the people who were there to experience the
Speaker 2: legend of Billy the Kid. It only exists because the saloon.
Speaker 3: Guy saw it and passed it.
Speaker 4: The original term of that word is passing on that
Speaker 4: story from someone who saw it.
Speaker 2: So I always say we are reluctant.
Speaker 3: And since it's the fiftieth year of hip hop, it
Speaker 3: should be demanded that we talk about the pioneers before
Speaker 3: recorded rap.
Speaker 2: And he mentioned the need to be talked about Hollywood.
Speaker 2: You're coming out of there, Reich, DJ Hollywood, all of them. Okay,
Speaker 2: DJ Hollywood, are you so Hollywood? Yeah, we're out of
Speaker 2: Hollywood when we come. We don't need no more. I
Speaker 2: was a drug dealer, now I'm a rapper. Story. I
Speaker 2: was a gangbinger and a rapper.
Speaker 3: Think about this story from seventy four to seventy I
Speaker 3: mean from seventy one to seventy four. There are so
Speaker 3: many stories of our people. And okay, they were DJing
Speaker 3: and breakdancing and doing graffiti. What was happening economically? What
Speaker 3: was happening politically?
Speaker 2: What was happening?
Speaker 3: We gotta go into Hollywood now and tell all of
Speaker 3: the stories. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And hip hop is fifty years old now we're just
Speaker 2: getting started. We gotta dominate the airways, we gotta dominate
Speaker 2: the screen, we gotta dominate literature. Now we can start
Speaker 2: telling all the other stories that need to be heard.
Speaker 2: Or else they're going to get lost. Let me ask you,
Speaker 2: because you was saying this earlier. One of the first
Speaker 2: people to have a sneaker endorsement, You guys have a
Speaker 2: stock in Adidas. I think Eric said he's working on
Speaker 2: that for us right now.
Speaker 3: That needs.
Speaker 2: Adidas need to you know, I mean because like you
Speaker 2: were saying it earlier. You know, curls, no braids, pis
Speaker 2: he heads still get paid. I'm one of the good
Speaker 2: reasons why yezies can get made. I'm about to ask
Speaker 2: you to get he really just does not need to
Speaker 2: write to check. He gave him promotion in market and
Speaker 2: we solidified them. See, we took them to lifestyle in fashion.
Speaker 2: They were just forcing them for what made job? What
Speaker 2: made job? Because, like you were saying earlier, you was
Speaker 2: like everyone was wearing Pulmas at the time.
Speaker 3: What major was an economic decision to select Adidas?
Speaker 2: What do you mean economic?
Speaker 3: You mean like right now, no Pumas was dope and
Speaker 3: that Pumas and Adidas is connected. Do you know the
Speaker 3: story two brothers of the Dalcin then had an argument,
Speaker 3: Fuck you, I'm gonna go start my own company, went
Speaker 3: and started Pumas. He left the fist up. So Pumas
Speaker 3: Adidas were simultaneously come up in New York City. But
Speaker 3: here's the problem. Persuade Pumas. Somebody step on and you fucked,
Speaker 3: uterrain fucked.
Speaker 2: The leather ones were cool, lasted a little longer than
Speaker 2: the suede ones, but they would bend and they would
Speaker 2: start to crack.
Speaker 3: This is an economic decision. Do I spend my thirty
Speaker 3: five dollars on the pumas somebody step on in the ring,
Speaker 3: or do I get to shelter that all I need
Speaker 3: to do? Why do you think I carry rags at
Speaker 3: the end of the night when I get back to
Speaker 3: my room, I just went it and wipe it off.
Speaker 3: His look brand new. It was the economic descent. They're
Speaker 3: more durable. I didn't know I was going to get
Speaker 3: a sneaker deal. So my first pair of Adidas. I
Speaker 3: don't play ball, so Mosco last three years. So it
Speaker 3: was an economic decision that we did.
Speaker 2: In Betas. The shoelaces thing came out because of this
Speaker 2: hold on. I figure the shoel thing. Let me ask
Speaker 2: you this one thing. Have you ever owned a pair
Speaker 2: of Nikes? Yeah? Recently two thousand.
Speaker 3: And Nelly and put out.
Speaker 2: Air Force You mean to tell me that you Yeah,
Speaker 2: what year was that? Well, it's Nelly and jay Z
Speaker 2: because jay Z.
Speaker 3: Was infamous for rocking the the for swimming, right, what
Speaker 3: year was that? So here's the story. I'm in New
Speaker 3: York City, the foot locker on Broadway by the McDonald
Speaker 3: ash to place McDonald's Broadway before Houston.
Speaker 2: There's a foot locker right.
Speaker 3: By McDonald's were profile records used to. So I forgot
Speaker 3: I was going to an interview. This was like two thousand.
Speaker 3: It was when Nelly and when air Force ones was popping.
Speaker 3: So I go in the foot locker.
Speaker 2: I got on a blue T shirt, I got on
Speaker 2: blue Levis, and I got on white on white Adidas.
Speaker 2: So in my crazy mind, I need Adidas with the
Speaker 2: blue stripe. I ain't right. And I had a new
Speaker 2: white on white white superst with the white side. But
Speaker 2: I'm very old CD. It was hurting me. So I
Speaker 2: go in the foot locker on Broadway and I go
Speaker 2: in there. Yeo, I looked everywhere. I need the white Superstars.
Speaker 2: I thirteen with the blue stripe, go on the back.
Speaker 2: We don't got them? Did you do twelve? No? Twelve
Speaker 2: hurt my feet. So over there on the podium, I
Speaker 2: told this story. I had Adidas basically do. Over there
Speaker 2: on the podium is an air Force one spinning with
Speaker 2: a blue stripe and it got lights around it. It's
Speaker 2: a true story. So I look give me those hmm stopping.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, no, no, because you know why because the
Speaker 3: workers were young.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they didn't get it. Okay, who the fuck
Speaker 2: I am? You know what I'm saying. Manager was young too.
Speaker 2: You know, I walk in foot.
Speaker 3: I could think everybody gonna know, but like a lot
Speaker 3: of times, if they're young.
Speaker 2: They don't know. So I put them on.
Speaker 3: I walk out the door and I'm walking down. I said,
Speaker 3: I'm walking a garbage truck. True story. What's up with
Speaker 3: the fuck? And that's what the driver says. I keep
Speaker 3: walking right. I get to the corner Broadway and Fourth
Speaker 3: Street where Tower Records used to be.
Speaker 2: The bus driver boo d man, Come on, man, that's wrong.
Speaker 3: Whatever you doing. I get to the corner of Broadway
Speaker 3: house police officers standing there. I come over and one
Speaker 3: guess he probably was Puerto Rican.
Speaker 2: Dude. You I'm saying, you know, they standing there, and
Speaker 2: be it comes up to It'll be able again. He didn't.
Speaker 2: He was like, yo, man, what are you doing? Why
Speaker 2: you got a niks around? I walked back.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you this.
Speaker 2: I walked back to the foot lock because you gotta
Speaker 2: understand I left the white on white send there, okay,
Speaker 2: ain't one on one, yo, take these sneakers. Give me
Speaker 2: my white on once. Do you want your money? Know
Speaker 2: you can give them this summery never will attempt to
Speaker 2: put on anything else because the people won't let me do.
Speaker 2: That is such a dope story. That is like in
Speaker 2: the b Boy, bush Driver, garbage man and police go
Speaker 2: on for that. I can't win else. I'm married to
Speaker 2: the motherfuckers for life. So they really got and and
Speaker 2: you don't pay for Adidas at this When was the
Speaker 2: last time you paid for a pair of Didas about
Speaker 2: a week ago? Because you just rush yeah, yeah, called
Speaker 2: up no, I don't want to go FLA and they
Speaker 2: tell me no, don't do it. But you know I
Speaker 2: get them because I want them. So if you had
Speaker 2: to pick Adidas right now, Parrals or all Easy Superstars,
Speaker 2: well you ain't with either one of the.
Speaker 3: I'm not ins like people say running your ce created
Speaker 3: the sneaker. It was a culture that already exists, but
Speaker 3: Adidas created it. Everybody told the convention writes about it.
Speaker 3: It started then, it was there, but we identified it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So if I'm dressing one run dmc attire and
Speaker 2: I have on the Swist suit. But I go to
Speaker 2: the store and it's only Stan Smith's there. Does that
Speaker 2: complete my mom? No, you gotta you gotta go find
Speaker 2: a super star if you got to swis Okay. We
Speaker 2: was in the Stan Smith documentary.
Speaker 3: I hang with Stan Smith all the time, and even
Speaker 3: Stan Smith said, run you have seen he's a lifetime
Speaker 3: deal if he got one.
Speaker 2: He said that Wow.
Speaker 3: But the Stan Smith's you gotta go watch the Stan
Speaker 3: Smith document.
Speaker 2: How definitely I'm I'm watching it. I get his credit.
Speaker 2: He had to interview us and it Stan Smith is
Speaker 2: more of the the casual. It doesn't represent what the
Speaker 2: superstar represents with the sweatshirt tennis player. Correct, yes, exactly. No,
Speaker 2: he can't put the stand smiff. That's that's like wearing
Speaker 2: slippers the grocery store. Yes, it's wrong. He said. It's
Speaker 2: Miami people. They slip the grocery store. Notice. Everybody was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, the motherfucker isn't wearing cracks now, No,
Speaker 2: but to stand Smith, it doesn't complete. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you could do it. You can put your idea with
Speaker 2: Sain Smith, but it's not that thing. Okay, So you've
Speaker 2: never wore any other athletic uh again Arl? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I could tell you. I think the year Jay died.
Speaker 2: What's Awful Awfl's last name, Eric Awful who used to
Speaker 2: work for yeah, Orval Hall.
Speaker 3: Used to work for Adidas. When he left Adidas. He
Speaker 3: was member of the Cocksport Teeth. Yeah yeah, they still popping.
Speaker 3: Oh really, I got the pictures of me doing the alligator,
Speaker 3: but the peacock okay, yeah, yeah, yeah I did. I
Speaker 3: did with the roost. That's across the allegation the rooster.
Speaker 2: I was repping the cox sportise for like three months when.
Speaker 3: You playing it, when he was right after that, right
Speaker 3: after that. But I did it for my friend and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But then it didn't feel right. It's
Speaker 3: in awable, I can't you know. I did it for
Speaker 3: him so he could get to check and ship like that, but.
Speaker 2: This didn't feel It's just what me with and on
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 3: I didn't like he I did the Cocksports team. Oh
Speaker 3: oh shoot, yeah, damn Back from Hell. We was wearing ewings.
Speaker 2: I'm about to ask you about it. On the car.
Speaker 2: We wore ewings for like a whole fucking year. That's
Speaker 2: when we wore ewings when Ewan was sweating at the bowline. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we wore ewings when the Ewins first came out, And yeah,
Speaker 2: we want they on cover. That's crazy. I'm I'm so happy.
Speaker 2: You know, people don't know anything. Y'all know your assual
Speaker 2: y'all know about Back from Hell and your abb No, no,
Speaker 2: let's just keep it. Yes on that album. We got
Speaker 2: on fucking we got on the fucking Ewings three on
Speaker 2: the back. Yeah, we was walking draft first game. But
Speaker 2: see that kind of gets to pass because that's when
Speaker 2: you and left Adidas started his own sneaker, so it's
Speaker 2: kind of still in the same family. So it was
Speaker 2: more of a New York thing. But that was wrong too.
Speaker 2: My wife always told me she hated them seekers, and
Speaker 2: my wife was funny, she I'm gonna be Tenue, but
Speaker 2: the fucking Adida's hard. I'm like, no, I'm doing this
Speaker 2: for Jay and Patrick Ewing. That's funny. Me wearing Humans
Speaker 2: was part of my depression. I know, I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Wear them, but Jay was like, Yo, we're gonna be
Speaker 3: a flying and we was.
Speaker 2: Wearing April wears. Again, we were wearing a Jay wearing
Speaker 2: April Walker apparel and ship like that. Like, but I
Speaker 2: should have said that ship is cool for me walk.
Speaker 3: Away like you know everybody was, man, I didn't want
Speaker 3: to wear that shit, wear my fucking souper. That was
Speaker 3: during Down with the King era, I remember, right, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But like, I know, there's a Biggie Smallest line where
Speaker 2: it says, you know you have to think that hip
Speaker 2: hop and make it this far, like did you ever
Speaker 2: think like? Because honestly, like, I'm born in seventy seven.
Speaker 2: I can't remember where Adidas is not related to you guys.
Speaker 2: I like, I I'm born in seventy seven, forty six
Speaker 2: years old. Some people call me an old man, right,
Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to tell you is I can't
Speaker 2: remember a time where Adidas wasn't attached to run DMC,
Speaker 2: you know, at all. So to me, it's like anonymous
Speaker 2: yeah yeah to me. To me, whenever I see somebody
Speaker 2: where the suit run, like, I'm not thinking Adidas no,
Speaker 2: like I think, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Pip
Speaker 2: hop for sure, exactly for sure. Yeah you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I think that's what I've made to my
Speaker 2: Adidas told my your are our Idias. All the mother
Speaker 2: shis is yours. These are my that.
Speaker 3: Oh look at all and every fashion design and every Harlem,
Speaker 3: I mean every fashion week. All you have to do
Speaker 3: is put on the run DM track suit with the
Speaker 3: Adidas and walk down and run ring.
Speaker 2: It never gets all. You put on a leather blazer
Speaker 2: with the leather pants like golf and walk down and
Speaker 2: right right. It's not true? Is it true that that
Speaker 2: you guys were trying to do a deal with Adidas.
Speaker 2: But then you guys had a show of Madison Square
Speaker 2: Garden and I believe you are run and told me
Speaker 2: take it off, and they held it, take it off
Speaker 2: and held it up. What had happened was they didn't
Speaker 2: understand wild. Yeah, they didn't understand. They're checking the weekly
Speaker 2: sales of product and the shelter was in the closet,
Speaker 2: in the back of the closet, but they couldn't understand
Speaker 2: why was out selling everything?
Speaker 3: And you know how they do the grass, They didn't
Speaker 3: have enough room on the wall do the progression of
Speaker 3: the girl for the sailing and sneaker. So word has
Speaker 3: it that there was an intern there.
Speaker 2: Dudes, you don't know.
Speaker 3: Run DMC made a hip hop song about.
Speaker 2: Your sneakers, So didas is the holdor helo? Look? Come?
Speaker 2: What the hell is a run DMC? And what the
Speaker 2: hell is hip hop? So the dude was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this code it is the shoot. Now you know how
Speaker 2: exactly it's this true? JB.
Speaker 3: This this must be true. So they sent the spy.
Speaker 3: His name was Angelo Anastasio. It was the head guy
Speaker 3: of Adidas America. Like they have a head dude over
Speaker 3: out in La So he calls the office Snooper and
Speaker 3: you know, I want to come to the Rundem Sea show.
Speaker 3: Can I get some tickets? Come the show? So he
Speaker 3: comes to the show. It's the Raising Hell and Madison
Speaker 3: Square Garden. We seven records and runs. Run says, take
Speaker 3: it off, mee, I take it off, hold it up,
Speaker 3: I hold it up twenty nine thousand. I think, what's
Speaker 3: the capacity to guard twenty nine thousand people who hold up.
Speaker 2: The brand new Adidas? And you know, looks goes running.
Speaker 3: It's you no Instagram, no twists, yep and no said yeah,
Speaker 3: they give us a million dollar deal.
Speaker 2: We got that. Yeah. That we put out the Cadillacs,
Speaker 2: El Dorado and the fleet was it was the first time,
Speaker 2: in addition to the run DM Sea Show Toe, it
Speaker 2: was the first time in the history of the company
Speaker 2: that they changed the color of the box because.
Speaker 3: The box was always like blue. When we put out
Speaker 3: the Eldorado, Fleetwood and the the Felder Lot of Fleetwood
Speaker 3: in the Sedannahville, they made the black box all black
Speaker 3: box with.
Speaker 2: The rendym C logo. Was the first time in the
Speaker 2: history of the country company. So game changing. We changed fashion,
Speaker 2: we change marketing, we change advertising, we change music. Like
Speaker 2: they changed the culture completely. What's left for you to do?
Speaker 3: Change Hollywood? That's my next mission.
Speaker 2: I don't want to everybody. I get calls all the
Speaker 2: fucking time about p I don't want to be an actor,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I don't want to. I
Speaker 2: want to get behind the camera.
Speaker 3: I want to sign. I want to sign.
Speaker 2: I want to. I want us to stop telling the
Speaker 2: same stories. Hip hop has a habit that's telling the
Speaker 2: same stories, but Hollywood does too. They just tell Cinderella
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over. There's news, there's
Speaker 2: this new princesses and kings and adventures and entrepreneurs and.
Speaker 3: School lasst education, educational situations to tell. So what I
Speaker 3: want to do in my pos this and especially since
Speaker 3: I'm here, I could have condmmenced suicide. I'm not shot
Speaker 3: in OD. I didn't kill myself. I ain't get shot.
Speaker 3: So I feel that I have a responsibility. So what's
Speaker 3: left for me to do is take this and make
Speaker 3: this cartoons in live action films, just like my idol
Speaker 3: Spider Man and the Hawk and stuff like that. So
Speaker 3: it's fifty years of hip hop, were just getting started.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of we have a lot of creativity.
Speaker 3: So I want to be part just like I was
Speaker 3: here to do the records, do the sneaker deals, this
Speaker 3: and that. I said, I'm like, man, if I could
Speaker 3: do that, I could do the same thing in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: And the good thing about me is I can call
Speaker 3: and get those meetings.
Speaker 2: But I don't want to go into meetings and have
Speaker 2: Hollywood sain't No, it'd be better if you do.
Speaker 3: To know, we don't have to be negroes and they
Speaker 3: have to be Gangbang. There could be so much other
Speaker 3: stories to tell, like who would have thought this Catholic
Speaker 3: school comic, reading classic classes, wearing nerd, We'll grow up
Speaker 3: not to be just a part of hip hop, but
Speaker 3: one of the kings of hip hop, pillas who was
Speaker 3: able to change every associated genre or entity that we
Speaker 3: came in to connect with. Who whatever thought about that?
Speaker 3: So those are the stories that.
Speaker 2: Which changed the world exactly. I mean, Bust has said it. Man,
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers didn't just change music. They changed you know,
Speaker 2: buss it.
Speaker 3: They changed everything absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And the beautiful thing Kaz always says that hip hop
Speaker 3: didn't really create anything, wereated everything. So it's that we're
Speaker 3: not what I don't want us to get and especially
Speaker 3: don't want this generation that's looking at the celebration. Don't
Speaker 3: get caught up in the fiftieth celebration being over, because
Speaker 3: if we change music and we changed fashion, that means
Speaker 3: we can change. When we say jam message, everything that
Speaker 3: he touched turns the goal, Everything that we touch turns
Speaker 3: the goal.
Speaker 2: So like when you said I really meant that, I
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, this is like me coming on soul train.
Speaker 2: You know, I went on soul train, of course.
Speaker 3: But for me coming here, this is me being here
Speaker 3: with you know, you guys are my fucking Mike Douglass,
Speaker 3: is Merv Griffins.
Speaker 2: You'all guys are min Johnny Cars got so the kids,
Speaker 2: the kids need to see that. Let me ask you
Speaker 2: something because you said it earlier. I think you said
Speaker 2: your father said it. You said, why would anybody hurt Jay?
Speaker 2: Right me, you know, as a younger, and you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't understand that at all, Like like I couldn't
Speaker 2: comprehend it. I couldn't comprehend it. I couldn't understand. I
Speaker 2: couldn't identify because every time I seen Jay, it was
Speaker 2: just always love. It's like, especially in Queens. Happened in Queens,
Speaker 2: it was like very shocking to me, and especially in
Speaker 2: his studio, you know, I mean, and the jam Master
Speaker 2: J documentary Who Killed jam Master J? On Netflix? And
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of confused, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I just want to ask your perspective for that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or that night when you
Speaker 2: got the phone call, right when.
Speaker 3: It first happened. First thing that happened was ten o'clock
Speaker 3: news Channel nine, Channel five and eleven not channel CBS,
Speaker 3: ABC and eleven ten o'clock news Channel five, Channel nine,
Speaker 3: Channel eleven breaking news ham Master j Shine. The study consumed.
Speaker 2: Now when I'm hearing this, I'm going, okay, somebody did
Speaker 2: get shot, right, but it's not j So Hour goes
Speaker 2: by and his what's crazy. The next day we were
Speaker 2: supposed to go play beaver and and j was supposed
Speaker 2: to go perform at the Washington Wizards halftime basketball some
Speaker 2: package when Jordan was on. I don't know if no, no,
Speaker 2: this was after Jordan. Okay, cool, we're supposed to play halftime,
Speaker 2: remember it, so eleven o'clock news Channel two, Channel four,
Speaker 2: Channel seven.
Speaker 3: So now by this time, I'm seeing the pictures of
Speaker 3: the body bag being and then again all right, somebody
Speaker 3: ours Hollie, fuck, somebody dig get shot, but it's not Jay.
Speaker 2: Eric's daughter Erica calls me crying, Hey, coot, j whatever woe.
Speaker 2: This might be serious.
Speaker 3: I tell my wife. My wife goes sixth door. We
Speaker 3: give my son, who said with us he was a
Speaker 3: little baby, to the babysitter. So we jump in the
Speaker 3: car and we jet to Queen's. We're living in Jersey
Speaker 3: right now. Jet to Queens.
Speaker 2: I pull up to the studio, which was about a
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen ninth Street bus terminal by the
Speaker 2: New York Public Library on the other side and the
Speaker 2: bus seven er. So I pull up. This is when
Speaker 2: I know it was reality. I get out the car.
Speaker 2: I see Chuck Deer public enemy in Ed Lover cry
Speaker 2: and I know it was for real. So that's it.
Speaker 3: I get out the car, see Ed Luck crying like this,
Speaker 3: Chuck d crying. All happened so fast, So police come
Speaker 3: grab me. The priestcint is right across the street.
Speaker 2: Take me to the priests and sit me down and
Speaker 2: asked me all of these questions this, and then boom
Speaker 2: if you was there? Boom boom asked if it's there,
Speaker 2: and also did you see this? What was they like
Speaker 2: this in boombe I don't know. We toured this and
Speaker 2: the boom just a whar wind. So that that's that's
Speaker 2: how I found out. And then as time went on,
Speaker 2: I remember might have been on my Space or something,
Speaker 2: but somewhere you know, it was coming up.
Speaker 3: Everybody was disappointed, whatever, and then I just nonchalantly and
Speaker 3: innestly innocently posted I'm not mad at the guy that
Speaker 3: shot Jay should have never did that.
Speaker 2: Man, the whole world cursed me like like crazy. So
Speaker 2: I said, okay, let me, let let me elaborate on
Speaker 2: what I just said. I'm not mad at the guy
Speaker 2: that shot Jay. The guy that shot J personally is
Speaker 2: it my problem and that's not my fight. My struggle
Speaker 2: and people understood this. My struggle is the mindset that
Speaker 2: would cause an individual to do those things. And not
Speaker 2: only for jam Master J, but for Park, for Big
Speaker 2: Scotland Rock, for Freaky Tie, but not only for them.
Speaker 2: What about the jam Master J, Parks and bigs that
Speaker 2: are getting shot in our communities all day. So we
Speaker 2: as hip hop we got an assignment and then people, okay,
Speaker 2: we underste what you said. I know I feel about that,
Speaker 2: about the god and stuff like that, but that's not
Speaker 2: my fight. It's not the individual, because we have the
Speaker 2: ability to change those persectives.
Speaker 3: But speaking on that, it is what it is. The
Speaker 3: dudes they did or whatever they did, they did what
Speaker 3: he did. But what hurts me is this Jay could
Speaker 3: have had his studio in Manhattan and around the corner
Speaker 3: from Diddy's. He can had a studio in La He
Speaker 3: chose to put his studio, five minutes from where he
Speaker 3: came from.
Speaker 2: He opened a door to let everybody else in and
Speaker 2: you could talk to people.
Speaker 3: Jay was like if you can't replicand the secretary, he
Speaker 3: was a mass of creating opportunities, you know. And then
Speaker 3: the whole thing was, Look, all my friends are even
Speaker 3: dead in jail or they stick up kids. And then
Speaker 3: drug dealers. So I'm connected to drug dealers and I
Speaker 3: know a lot of it. Am I doing dally Joe?
Speaker 3: Am I around it?
Speaker 2: Am I involved through those transactions? No?
Speaker 3: But all my friends are drug deals. But Jay was
Speaker 3: five minutes from where he came from. He opened that
Speaker 3: door for the soul. It's a shame that the very
Speaker 3: thing Jay escaped from is the very thing that killed
Speaker 3: him because he was trying to deliver other people's from.
Speaker 3: So I'm still it's still confused to me. I only
Speaker 3: get reminded about it when people bring it up.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, that shit
Speaker 2: is crazy. But even the ogs, like everybody crossed the
Speaker 2: board was like, we don't care what that shit was.
Speaker 2: You don't shoot j That's true, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Wow, that's like that, you know, so,
Speaker 2: and then and and and for years it was like
Speaker 2: we didn't see Run DMC together, right, was that like
Speaker 2: the major reason? Yes, all, I said, we can't be
Speaker 2: the only reason, and I said that run DMC, we
Speaker 2: can't replace our dramma. But then Tom went on, and
Speaker 2: then we started getting requests to do festivals, so we
Speaker 2: was like, okay, but even now, I mean, you was
Speaker 2: fortunate and everybody was fortunate to see the show at
Speaker 2: Yankee Statement because we looked great, sounded great, and it
Speaker 2: was flawless, you know what I'm saying. But probably leading
Speaker 2: up to that stay even at.
Speaker 3: That show, you're not seeing Run DMC as Run DMC
Speaker 3: j message. It's seeing the two members formally of that
Speaker 3: great band. It's like, what I'm trying to say is
Speaker 3: it's still in me phenomenal. It's like seeing Paul McCartney
Speaker 3: and Ringo. It's just not the same, right, It's not
Speaker 3: run It's running d m C, but it's not Run DMC.
Speaker 2: And then who was the DJ for y'all that night?
Speaker 2: We had two DJs, DJ Kellie Champ which is Mine DJ,
Speaker 2: and DJ Ruckets which is Runs DJ. Because when we
Speaker 2: came back together. We had to compromise. Yeah, you ain't usual.
Speaker 2: I'm not just using your DJ.
Speaker 3: You a little kids shit you us, so we both
Speaker 3: use our DC so everybody could shine, but y'all on
Speaker 3: the same records. So don't get that part because and
Speaker 3: when it.
Speaker 2: Goes to your part, your DJ goes on your party,
Speaker 2: they alternate. That'd be crazy.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, that's really Yeah, that's Fay taking it.
Speaker 2: But it's like.
Speaker 3: Now, if Run DMC was to record again, if we
Speaker 3: was to record again, we couldn't record as run DMC.
Speaker 3: Why because when in the overall picture of of.
Speaker 2: Music, musical ship, musicianship, in the overall picture of musicianship,
Speaker 2: what we would do is we form a new band.
Speaker 2: When you look at I said, when you look at
Speaker 2: Audio Slave, they they was audio Slave, and then there
Speaker 2: was what's the other band? They became.
Speaker 3: Oh you look at perfect example David Grold and you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you have bands who changed
Speaker 3: the name with some of the original members. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So me and Ron would have to
Speaker 3: figure out what we're gonna call this recording entity because
Speaker 3: we can't come as you Run DMC.
Speaker 2: It'll be running DMC and the champs with feature. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, we would have to give you
Speaker 2: another when you see us now that's run in DMC
Speaker 2: doing run DMC. But for us to record, no, because
Speaker 2: that it wouldn't tarnish that ship because we dope anyway.
Speaker 3: But it's more respect right to form a new band,
Speaker 3: which is really kind of cool to sound Garden. It
Speaker 3: was Soundgarden and Audio'll say you morph into if me
Speaker 3: and Run say we're going to record now. We said
Speaker 3: it was the last show at at Yankee Stadium. It's
Speaker 3: the last show. Everybody ever said you got the last
Speaker 3: show in New York and Yankee Stadium. We can do, Oh,
Speaker 3: run DMC's last show in l A right, we can
Speaker 3: do run DMC's last show. Ran into it if if
Speaker 3: that comes up, but forced to record, and for me,
Speaker 3: for my adventurous creative spirit, I would want to do
Speaker 3: it under a new name. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Your room we're gonna be angel Dust.
Speaker 4: But the last room, the last tour of doing all
Speaker 4: the last shows would be kind of ill everybody.
Speaker 2: How about a versus huh? How about a versus with
Speaker 2: who would bring DMC verse against the verse. Yeah, the verses, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know public enemy to.
Speaker 3: BCS, don't want to do definitely don't want to do
Speaker 3: something because they can't do it without m C. A See,
Speaker 3: I was a little that me and Ron could do
Speaker 3: it because Jay wasn't a MC, right, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like they like soul Oh, shout out to
Speaker 3: true By. I got a record on Spotify and you
Speaker 3: two called Kingdom come where. I pay my respects to
Speaker 3: true By because every time I was around true By,
Speaker 3: he just looked at me like I was the greatest
Speaker 3: thing in the world. And he was like, I mean,
Speaker 3: like really and he would tell me, oh no that
Speaker 3: you don't know the like you don't know like I
Speaker 3: loved him like I love true like recip.
Speaker 2: So. But in a versus d P M, d M, yeah,
Speaker 2: they but yeah, a little too hard. We would have
Speaker 2: to run DMC. We would have to go up against
Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift for someone. You know, I'm just saying
Speaker 2: that we would run the MC who would run DMC
Speaker 2: in a versus Because you gotta understand it, Doug running
Speaker 2: m C is just a little unique because a lot
Speaker 2: nique you know, you know, if yeah, a lot unique
Speaker 2: because one of the things that we always did, Pete
Speaker 2: Rock did it in a way that it's fucking you know,
Speaker 2: they said we were the Kings, but Pete Rock made
Speaker 2: the world bout. But one of the things that would
Speaker 2: always pushed me and run off now and I get
Speaker 2: upseted about now is we would always get those instances
Speaker 2: where people is like running, Sea's already falling off.
Speaker 3: So the first time that they started thinking that we did,
Speaker 3: here we go to let motherfuckers know it ain't about
Speaker 3: these fucking wrecords in the studio, Dre drop Big B.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying I'm from Hollis Queen's in the
Speaker 3: games we play, see here we go. Listen, Here we
Speaker 3: go right now from start and it's the one of
Speaker 3: the most perfected performances of hip hop.
Speaker 2: DJ ain't in bars. Turn your fucking record off, motherfucking
Speaker 2: Let's go down to the park and see you can
Speaker 2: perform for a hour. A lot of motherfuckers can't do that,
Speaker 2: So here we go. Then, if you remember y'all forgot.
Speaker 3: Red Men and Dayla Sol shout out to them when
Speaker 3: they did party people Loom killing your dreams. Have me
Speaker 3: and run made that ship because motherfuckers was popping ship
Speaker 3: thinking that we ain't dope. Motherfucker dope. I'm dope eternally.
Speaker 3: So we did party. People, your dreams have now been fulfilled.
Speaker 3: Get out your seat and let's get ill. That's right, y'all.
Speaker 3: We're not just rough. We're more than tough. And when
Speaker 3: it comes to run, but then we got enough. We're
Speaker 3: ill with chill with scar so dope.
Speaker 2: That just suit me up too. Y'all know I did
Speaker 2: a song with Biggie right, don't don't get twisted my
Speaker 2: downfall that.
Speaker 3: I'm at home just being DMC.
Speaker 2: I get a call, yo, BI want to make your
Speaker 2: verse to chorus and ship he could relate to that ship.
Speaker 2: That's not all MC's have the gall to pray and
Speaker 2: plan for my downfall.
Speaker 3: But my rhyme was, I'm not running. I'm just stunning smart,
Speaker 3: not stupid, because I'm so cunning and she's regretting. I'm
Speaker 3: upsetting my recitals take titles in dollars.
Speaker 2: I'm betting.
Speaker 3: But we made together forever, we say, yo. Just put
Speaker 3: the eight o eight on because think about a New
Speaker 3: York City was doing that eight o eight before the
Speaker 3: South the South got it from us dumb dumb, dumb, dumb,
Speaker 3: dump dumb girl as Jamaine dupri We was fucking eight
Speaker 3: o eight and now asses off. But we put out
Speaker 3: party people. We had to shut you all up in
Speaker 3: the Then when we was doing Raising Hell, Run came along.
Speaker 3: Run came with UV Yelling, which was just all have.
Speaker 2: Calling, but he wrote he came when You'll be Yelling,
Speaker 2: which was his version of a print song. He was
Speaker 2: inspired by Dove's cry I can see you See that
Speaker 2: was one.
Speaker 3: So he comes in to the studio and raising Hell.
Speaker 3: I got this idea, So him and Jay lay it
Speaker 3: down and then me and Ray did the ad libs.
Speaker 3: So Run leaves because Run always had kids. He was like,
Speaker 3: I think he was three kids deep by this time.
Speaker 3: First in a hand, Yeah, married, yep, exactly. Didn't make
Speaker 3: those numbers, but you know he was good running. So
Speaker 3: when he left, Jay, this is why I love Jay.
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there now. That would have could have
Speaker 3: been just record. Jay turns to me and he says, Deed,
Speaker 3: so what are you gonna do now?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what do you mean? Jay? This is
Speaker 2: why you gotta love Jay. Run got his record? Where's
Speaker 2: your record, and I was like, thanks for asking Jay,
Speaker 2: because I was always writing to be writing anyway.
Speaker 3: I never wrote for records. I was just always writing,
Speaker 3: put the beat on, let me figure it out. So
Speaker 3: I say, Jay, motherfucker, it's trying to say that we
Speaker 3: ain't on that King rock him terrorist one level. I
Speaker 3: beg to differ. So he said, what do you want
Speaker 3: to do? I said, I got these rhymes. Now I
Speaker 3: didn't know what the song was going to be. I said,
Speaker 3: I got these rhyms, and you said, let me hit
Speaker 3: a rhyme. I'm the devastating my control the DMC, and
Speaker 3: can't nobody mess around with me. I'm the king of rock,
Speaker 3: rap and of rhymes. So I could just end the
Speaker 3: conversation right there. I'm not only king of rock, I'm
Speaker 3: the rapping and you want to run whatever they or
Speaker 3: king of rock, rap and of rhyme. I deal what
Speaker 3: I feel and it feels fine. If it's okay to Jay,
Speaker 3: then I will play around a sound with put down
Speaker 3: for the rhymes.
Speaker 2: I say. Then I went into.
Speaker 3: You jock watching clock while I rocked the spot better
Speaker 3: known to the world as the King of Rock.
Speaker 2: I like to speak my piece when I'm on the mic.
Speaker 2: I'm the best, or at least I'm the one you like.
Speaker 3: So I had these rhymes and the day was like, oh,
Speaker 3: here's what we're gonna do in eighty five. And when
Speaker 3: we was touring with the Fat Boys, watching them ted
Speaker 3: down coliseums, Run used to do this thing where he
Speaker 3: would imitate Buffy. I would holler, hit it run. If
Speaker 3: you listen to hit It run, that's Run imitating Buffy,
Speaker 3: which was a joke that Run always did on his tour.
Speaker 3: So Jay goes yo.
Speaker 2: That thing Run used to do on the Freshfest, which
Speaker 2: is hip hop's first tour before Raising Hell Freshfest one,
Speaker 2: Fresh Fest two Run dmc Curtis Blow Houdini.
Speaker 3: Jermaine dupri was a dancer with Houdini. So Jay says,
Speaker 3: we're gonna make hit It Run. So I said, Jay,
Speaker 3: just give me a beat that is fucking fucking pulsating.
Speaker 3: So we went and we made hit It Run. I
Speaker 3: had to right hit it run. So I don't want
Speaker 3: motherfucker's thinking that we just fucking it's tricky.
Speaker 2: It's like that, motherfuckers. So at every cusps, at every
Speaker 2: transformation on hip hop, we were we were in a
Speaker 2: position to do all of it that stuff, but we
Speaker 2: didn't have to because, like you said, we found a
Speaker 2: niche with making records like Tricky, but we also had
Speaker 2: Sucking Seas right. We had Down Went the King, but
Speaker 2: we also had Mary Mary.
Speaker 3: So our presentation and presence in hip hop was very versatile.
Speaker 3: That's why chuck y y'all kind of would like the
Speaker 3: Beatles because when you think a round to see, you
Speaker 3: think of all the songs. But most of those songs
Speaker 3: that y'all don't know were just rap routines that kind
Speaker 3: of went on cassette tapes in seventy nine. So is
Speaker 3: it seventy nine or is it two thousand and four?
Speaker 3: I got a song out right now produced by Bombinuck
Speaker 3: Who's That's Me Iced Tea Chuck and and shit is
Speaker 3: killing you know? And I love Rick Rubin saying your
Speaker 3: old stuff ain't better than your new stuff, and your
Speaker 3: new stuff ain't better than your It's just it is it.
Speaker 2: Is, you know what I'm saying. So let's talk about
Speaker 2: this one record, Beats to the Robs. I forgot about
Speaker 2: that one that was before It's time. It's been a
Speaker 2: sample a lot, yep, yep. That record was like.
Speaker 3: The current hip hop people didn't understand it, but every producer,
Speaker 3: every MC, every.
Speaker 2: You said you been carrying at that time, that's yeah,
Speaker 2: because it was like beat but everybody was like that.
Speaker 3: When Beast of Rhyme came out, everybody in the industry
Speaker 3: was kind of like when we walked through the door,
Speaker 3: they move out their way, like oh, like beacing around
Speaker 3: with just that ship beats to the ram and rama
Speaker 3: is part of you, Like it's that ship a man,
Speaker 3: it is around. It's that like, go listen to pieces
Speaker 3: of rhyme. Everybody shut the fuck out before you got
Speaker 3: that ship is crazy. What I say, hard core rhyms
Speaker 3: go on. Like I said before my beasts.
Speaker 2: Were played in may RUMs laid j d J and
Speaker 2: I got paid me something and of nothing yo, d
Speaker 2: that you Yes, my brother, I'm gonna do it for you,
Speaker 2: roaming the zone of the microphone and I'll hold the throne.
Speaker 2: But I'm not alone. Got bone of stealing, not a stone.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be prone to.
Speaker 3: Make your mama moone.
Speaker 2: Time for the rhyme and let the shart seine came
Speaker 2: with the game and the name company run having fun.
Speaker 3: Let me give your ring Joe gotta go now. Word
Speaker 3: from the like, yeah beaston rhyme is that ship?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just say something in dmc man so.
Speaker 3: And I like I like being.
Speaker 2: I like being not being in your top five?
Speaker 3: Who you know when top five? Yeah, I like to
Speaker 3: because I'm in a class by myself.
Speaker 2: Absolutely can't put me in it.
Speaker 3: So I'm better than the top five. That's why I
Speaker 3: don't come up. You can't put me in that ship.
Speaker 3: That's limitating in my presence and my abilities.
Speaker 2: So I know. I actually this a little earlier, but
Speaker 2: we got we got the single, we got the use,
Speaker 2: this is, this is, this is this is, this is
Speaker 2: a this is a cartoon as well. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: and off.
Speaker 3: Collaboration is the key to transformation.
Speaker 2: And then the kids book and then another kinds of book,
Speaker 2: the kids book I did with collaboration with Nickelodeon. It's
Speaker 2: the first book in a series of books I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do like ten books. The first one is Daryl's Dream,
Speaker 2: next want to be Daryl's Decision, next one to It's
Speaker 2: all gonna be dilemmas.
Speaker 3: That's the children.
Speaker 2: Is this going to turn into like series like Chris
Speaker 2: Rock Everybody hates Krits It could be live action. I
Speaker 2: gave you, I gave you, yeah, sitcom. So as I
Speaker 2: look at it, I feel like everybody's, well, it's.
Speaker 9: Definitely gonna be a cartoon. Yeah, it's needed, But I
Speaker 9: didn't think of that. Yeah, hell yeah, I think that.
Speaker 9: I think the hip hop we should get everything from
Speaker 9: hip hop. Like, if you're gonna watch cartoons, you're gonna
Speaker 9: do that's what. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna order a
Speaker 9: mil prep. I think it should what it is if
Speaker 9: you're gonna hire a train.
Speaker 2: No, we at that point that it's so hip hop
Speaker 2: that you don't even realize that exactly. It's it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like when our parents was able to
Speaker 2: go see Temptations and four times.
Speaker 3: It's like look the Stones Kiss.
Speaker 2: We at that point with us right now.
Speaker 3: And it's good because the older, the o gs and
Speaker 3: the eldest can now get work without even trying for it,
Speaker 3: because it's just the thing where now I've read an article.
Speaker 2: Now we are starting to sell tickets again. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, we at that point right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm saying it's dope. That's the good thing. I am now.
Speaker 2: What I saw on American Band standing and soul train.
Speaker 2: We are now that crazy right? Crazy right. It's a
Speaker 2: cliche question, and I'm not sure if I answered it.
Speaker 2: I asked you this earlier, but did you ever think
Speaker 2: that hip hop would make it this far? Nobody didn't?
Speaker 2: You did?
Speaker 3: I didn't answer, you know, I didn't Jay did. Jay
Speaker 3: would answer that and say, yes, I knew it would
Speaker 3: because it was so big when I first heard it,
Speaker 3: and then I read well, like all the shit that
Speaker 3: I do when I run the cold, crush it and
Speaker 3: mod shit, that should have been a signal to me.
Speaker 2: But I didn't think that.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just gonna stay in our region.
Speaker 2: I thought what I thought it was going to do
Speaker 2: was I tell her was going to.
Speaker 3: Stay in our rear. I thought he's gonna have great records,
Speaker 3: do some chart shit, grammy shit. But I thought it
Speaker 3: would eventually become you know, last night in Atlanta, I
Speaker 3: spoke with somebody in DC about that where Go Go
Speaker 3: is the one thing I can respect about Go Go.
Speaker 3: They didn't let the industry determine the life or death
Speaker 3: of their job. Yeah thing, even at the height of
Speaker 3: Go Go.
Speaker 2: Well, I speaking to the guy last night eighty six
Speaker 2: to eighty eight, we's coming through the met to run DMC,
Speaker 2: Dougie Fresh, I'm talking about all of us.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the night, after the Rags
Speaker 3: in Hell tour, after all ll.
Speaker 2: Did it, after we did buy all go back fucking home,
Speaker 2: their go go and exactly yeah, and they know me that.
Speaker 2: I was like, I've never seen fish so cool. And
Speaker 2: then they combined it with the hip hop. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But for me, I thought hip hop
Speaker 2: would be just go go, it would just be our
Speaker 2: cultural thing, like you know how different cities have New
Speaker 2: Orleans have their things and that I didn't think it
Speaker 2: was going to do this type of shit. But Jay
Speaker 2: always said this. I knew it were because it was
Speaker 2: so big when I first heard it. So imagine what
Speaker 2: Jay is saying is that's what the kids in Germany heard,
Speaker 2: That's what the kids in Africa felt, That's what the
Speaker 2: kids in When we first went over to Japan in
Speaker 2: eighty six, we get off the plane, I would say
Speaker 2: about sixty percent understand English, forty percent then for me
Speaker 2: were talking about the flyg in the communication. Communication is
Speaker 2: a cool thing and sometimes you didn't even got to
Speaker 2: say it work. The kids the audience over there would
Speaker 2: go win WMC, you know in the Japanese dialect, and
Speaker 2: they went saying work. They would just do this with
Speaker 2: the suit and we would go. That was the language.
Speaker 2: That was it. It was communicating. So when Jay I
Speaker 2: didn't think like Biggy said, did you, some people might say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. If kaz in them. Every kaz answer
Speaker 2: that question. He said no.
Speaker 3: He said he said if he would, if he would
Speaker 3: have would.
Speaker 2: But I didn't take that. Me and Run always said this,
Speaker 2: me running, Jay always said this. If it didn't have
Speaker 2: industrial successes and commercial successes, we would be the guys,
Speaker 2: you know, forty fifty years old, the post office dude,
Speaker 2: just self employed businessman making the teacher no no, no,
Speaker 2: coming to the cookouts and the parties, putting the turntables
Speaker 2: up and rapid right in front of all the little
Speaker 2: It's now looking like, yeah, exactly. But let's talk about
Speaker 2: these cookies before we get up out of here. Daryl
Speaker 2: makes cookies, Okay, I like doing stuff to make people happy.
Speaker 3: Are you making these yourself? I have a baker who's
Speaker 3: doing my recipe. Okay, So just tell about comics.
Speaker 2: I'm like stan Lee. Think of the ideas take up
Speaker 2: to heroes.
Speaker 3: But then I go get artists, anchors, pencillers, colorists and
Speaker 3: writers to write it for me. So I'm my company
Speaker 3: is I'm Daryl's Mint producing the cookies. Is the greater
Speaker 3: director of everything.
Speaker 2: They look good. I'm taking no no, you got So
Speaker 2: that came about. That came about from I said, Well,
Speaker 2: from day one, I'm always on a movie set. It's
Speaker 2: always a craft table.
Speaker 3: I'm always at an event, show, whatever, and it's always
Speaker 3: like munchy stuff there.
Speaker 2: So about seven years ago, I was at.
Speaker 3: An event in the city where a lady from Harlem
Speaker 3: was debuting her big goods, and I'm one of my favorite.
Speaker 2: I eat a lot of sweets. People ask me, what's
Speaker 2: the suc secret to my weight maintenance. I eat a
Speaker 2: lot of sweets. Sometimes I eat sweets and don't eat
Speaker 2: regular food. But organic said, I want to do no
Speaker 2: chips the Hoy type ship chips o oy. I hate yeah,
Speaker 2: damn chips a hoy, red velvet cake, apple pie hoy. No,
Speaker 2: I'm red velvet chips a Hoy. I ain't gonna I'll
Speaker 2: be I'll be I'll be destroying it and I'll be
Speaker 2: at like, where's the cookies. APT like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: why are you asking? I'll be speaking. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: are you looking at me? I was like knowing my
Speaker 2: my back of my teeth is mad red velvet cake.
Speaker 2: Back then, I eat a lot of sweets. But makes
Speaker 2: me go to the gym. M. That's a balance. I
Speaker 2: want to eat them. I gotta do the work. So
Speaker 2: the cookies came about.
Speaker 3: It was this lady for Harlem showcasing her cookies and
Speaker 3: her cakes and the cupcakes and all that ship. And
Speaker 3: I'm always around kids and family, so I just particted sandwich. Oh,
Speaker 3: these cookies are good. And then I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make cookies. I'm calling my cookie company. Jarrold makes cookies.
Speaker 3: And I just said that, and everybody in the room
Speaker 3: stop and said we'll buy him.
Speaker 2: So LUNs. Moving ahead, fast forward ahead. I said, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing good with this comic books. I
Speaker 2: can do. Darln makes cookies, I can do Daryl makes chocolate,
Speaker 2: I could do, Dohl Mikes candy.
Speaker 3: A lot of cool stuff that I like. I can't drink,
Speaker 3: so I can't make my own liquor. I don't think
Speaker 3: Adidas is my company, so I don't need to make
Speaker 3: a DFC homeanalize.
Speaker 2: So I decided to do the cookies because.
Speaker 3: I'm always around kids, families, and I go to schools
Speaker 3: all the time. So I want to have a product
Speaker 3: that's affiliated with something that I'm really part of. And
Speaker 3: Riggs told me this, He said, Deep, you can do
Speaker 3: with this book what you've been doing with your music
Speaker 3: all the time. What do you mean inspire, motivate, educate
Speaker 3: while you entertain or smiles on people's faces.
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to come up with products that
Speaker 2: could really make me iconic in lifestyle other than what
Speaker 2: everybody's already doing. So comics is a you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I don't know about yourself. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: have to be in the competition. My competition is but
Speaker 2: you know, coming in cookies, Okay, nobody really has cookies.
Speaker 2: So now I can move only marijuana cookies. Well there's
Speaker 2: what I can do. I can put Daryl makes cookies,
Speaker 2: marijuana cookies inside the dispensery. I'll be I'd be an endorser. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's because I'm speaking of that. But everything's good. See
Speaker 2: I didn't just come to do your show. See whatever
Speaker 2: you want, we're gonna really do it and you're gonna
Speaker 2: end it. No, I can really do it, Dad, I
Speaker 2: lost my treads on Daryl makes cookies. You're endorse it.
Speaker 2: I want to do stuff that's that I'm able to
Speaker 2: do that is not what everybody else is doing. So
Speaker 2: I can't do jam Assa Jay's kids speaking of none,
Speaker 2: they got t shirts for you that I got. Jam
Speaker 2: Master Jay's kids do the pre road joints called Jamj's
Speaker 2: like coming a cassette thing. Oh jamjs Oh was that right? Exactly?
Speaker 2: That's why. But yeah, the cookies is just another thing
Speaker 2: that I want to do that makes people happy. And
Speaker 2: oh here's my train of thought. When I did the
Speaker 2: cookie things, everybody at my gym is like, yo, what's
Speaker 2: so with the protein cookies? So I'm doing these cookies.
Speaker 2: The next cookie is the protein cookies. But it's not
Speaker 2: a healthy cookie. Don't even remember, right, it's a cookie
Speaker 2: with protein in it that for your protein. I thinks, no, no, no, never,
Speaker 2: that never did. I'm gonna make them vegan, not caring,
Speaker 2: no koe. Yeah, I had kel chips and ship brew
Speaker 2: in my life. But it's like, so.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to put that and it's common.
Speaker 3: My whole thing is this, and when me and Rick
Speaker 3: started to Comic book Company, this ain't just the thing
Speaker 3: where I don't want five years and ten years or
Speaker 3: even twenty years and people go, remember that common book
Speaker 3: DMC had one hundred years from now, two hundred years
Speaker 3: from now, when they people talk about Fred Flintstone, spider Man, Superman, and.
Speaker 2: I don't even you don't even gotta like my hero.
Speaker 2: You ain't even gonna like my character. I want you
Speaker 2: to connect with the character that you feel closer to you.
Speaker 2: So just like my cookies, I want my cookies to
Speaker 2: be writer. Oh you got Nobisco, you got Keebler, you
Speaker 2: got Tats, you got Petrits for him, and kids fifty
Speaker 2: years ago will be able to their parents and their
Speaker 2: grandparent will say, Yo, this is this hip hop god.
Speaker 2: This is good for our culture and our cultural existence.
Speaker 2: Like he was saying, I'm gonna tell you something. What
Speaker 2: I want DMC the comic book to be. I want
Speaker 2: you to get with Snoop and have Snoop's own version
Speaker 2: of that, right, so it'd be a crossover, like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then you get with like,
Speaker 2: for instance, a minute, I thought of that. I thought
Speaker 2: of Kodak Black, Right, Kodak Black is this new guy
Speaker 2: from this new generator. But he's a superhero too, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. His superhero strengths might be different
Speaker 2: from a na superhero strength. Oh no, what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is I think you should go to give each individual,
Speaker 2: like to me generation, every artist has a version of
Speaker 2: a superhero, like how he said, So why not why
Speaker 2: not come on off top like and it's crazy. I
Speaker 2: would think of you God, like that character of you hard, like,
Speaker 2: like you know you God, and like you know, make
Speaker 2: a whole little.
Speaker 3: A cartoon out of that.
Speaker 2: That's something that I'm just being honest with you because
Speaker 2: that's something that we when I get my network on
Speaker 2: Cartoon Network. Okay, that's what I'm going ship. Damn.
Speaker 3: See that's what I'm thinking. I even want to do
Speaker 3: d m C TV. You know what my tagline is,
Speaker 3: and everybody loves to do that. Ship d d m
Speaker 3: C TV what MTV used to be and show videos
Speaker 3: and no reality and show bands and new ship young
Speaker 3: and all talent. I said that the other day, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, WHOA, I'm gonna have to go sit down
Speaker 3: with like an investment company saying.
Speaker 2: Let's do this ship and advertisers killed to be on
Speaker 2: DMC TV. Absolutely before you know the diversity of our
Speaker 2: culture musically sing us new bands, all that shit, Like,
Speaker 2: there's so many day lost souls and slick ricks of
Speaker 2: this yearneration. They're just not getting their opportunity, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So us as people who who walk
Speaker 2: the walk and talk to talk, we walk.
Speaker 3: This way moving, Yeah, all of us who walk this
Speaker 3: way in this very tricky business, no unentertendent. Now I'm
Speaker 3: trying to encourage around.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. It's trickery, very trickery around and we
Speaker 2: made it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But now hip hop is fifty years old, we just
Speaker 3: get started. Not only do do we need more artists
Speaker 3: and talent ownership is stuff like that, we need more
Speaker 3: suits behind the desk in the corporations. So if we
Speaker 3: include everything that hip hop is capable of, we can.
Speaker 2: Accomplish those things to the point where we can be
Speaker 2: so potent that damn nobody's buying Louis anymore. The all
Speaker 2: the Louis people. When I'm talking about generationally, the old
Speaker 2: eighty six year old lady walking in stores that we
Speaker 2: created with our designers and buying those pieces for those
Speaker 2: same price points. We can do that, and all we
Speaker 2: got to do is turn that focus of their.
Speaker 3: Energy, give the appreciation and intention of why you buying
Speaker 3: it for in the first place to the people that's
Speaker 3: right here in our communities, so that we can become
Speaker 3: the next Horrist docles like I don't need to start
Speaker 3: another sneaker company. I need to be a partner and
Speaker 3: owner in Adidas moving forward. So we are all of
Speaker 3: those things. And I think this is just the sort.
Speaker 3: But me Race only did this to here. If you're
Speaker 3: if you're a comic book artist and now you know
Speaker 3: you gotta go.
Speaker 2: Through the you gotta sign me to super Dog. Got
Speaker 2: y'all sorry about you got it? Super Dog? Yeah, gotcha
Speaker 2: is done, is done. I don't worry about it. That
Speaker 2: would definitely with dogs does Answerer Hero. Here's how deep
Speaker 2: hip hop we are when we do we have artists
Speaker 2: do the work. Yeah, you know, I was fire because
Speaker 2: after we finished the whole book, we invite a Griffiti
Speaker 2: artist to come tag the universe. So you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of times the artists will do the graffiti. No,
Speaker 2: you did the artwork.
Speaker 3: Now I get the book in the art to graffiti
Speaker 3: artists and they go into my universe and really tag it.
Speaker 3: So that's how delicate and fun tune we gotta get
Speaker 3: with this hip hop ship. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: and that I believe that's what we're edited. No, I
Speaker 3: don't like believing. I know that's because if I believe it,
Speaker 3: it might not happen for everybody else. But if I know,
Speaker 3: that's what can't happen for you.
Speaker 2: Yo, Man, I'm just being honest with you. This is
Speaker 2: such a pleasure, This is such an honor, This was
Speaker 2: such a a fulfiller for me. Man, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, you truly are a hero. You truly
Speaker 2: are a legend. You truly are I car and you
Speaker 2: truly are tight and you truly are you know everything
Speaker 2: that you deserve. So we wanted to really give you
Speaker 2: your flowers, man, because I got them. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, you wanted to.
Speaker 10: I mean, you know that's physically but even you know
Speaker 10: what I mean, because mant.
Speaker 2: Misday No, No, but that's the purpose of this exactly.
Speaker 2: But you know you are.
Speaker 10: You are the definition of longevity. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 10: Like so many people. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 10: say I laugh at people sometimes, but sometimes I see
Speaker 10: people coming in this game. They got a hot one year.
Speaker 2: And boy ask these people in the world to order
Speaker 2: the people that came before them. And then then that
Speaker 2: next year you see them go away. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So in order to be here for this
Speaker 2: this year is you had to see if I see it,
Speaker 2: I know how many people you saw come and go.
Speaker 2: I don't see how many people. So what we wanted
Speaker 2: to do is praise our legends man, and you are
Speaker 2: one of them. You are definitely well. You know what
Speaker 2: you You did something that needed to be done because
Speaker 2: when I was thinking about all like hip hop, you're
Speaker 2: doing what needs to be done while setting an example.
Speaker 2: Because the beautiful thing what I noticed when you speak
Speaker 2: to Mick and Keith or Joe and see from Ryl
Speaker 2: Smith it's an interview about them, but they go into
Speaker 2: the black blues artists. Ye as big, as as huge
Speaker 2: as the Stones is, as rich as the Stones is.
Speaker 2: So y'all doing something that Bump talks about a lot.
Speaker 2: I hear Harris want talk about it that in ll
Speaker 2: just he's doing wonders with rock bells. He came. He
Speaker 2: was like, off man, when you see Miles Davis, you
Speaker 2: ain't thinking about his make account, right, Yeah, I heard
Speaker 2: him say that because the richest number one selling artists
Speaker 2: that add their little one hit wonder that it's a
Speaker 2: celebrity and really famous.
Speaker 3: Still they'll get on Entertainment tonight before them. But Ella saying,
Speaker 3: now this ship right here that we have, it's beautiful
Speaker 3: that y'all taking upon yourselves to acknowledge that, but not
Speaker 3: only talk about your showcasing. It's one thing. You know,
Speaker 3: you could just have your podcast and at the end
Speaker 3: of every record shout out to the legs y'all bringing them.
Speaker 2: On because you know what it is. You know, that's
Speaker 2: one of the beautiful, beauty, beautifulest parts of this show
Speaker 2: is you know, sometimes we will interview an artist and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I just look at their
Speaker 2: Instagram and they out every weekend after that, and you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, it's just like and that's
Speaker 2: the best point because because what it is is sometimes
Speaker 2: it's just an unforgetting herod. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: like a lot of us and then, yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: want us to be like the veterans, like these wars
Speaker 2: for right exactly. So I want to keep us alive,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I want to keep us.
Speaker 3: This is a reminders of the audience. They know about
Speaker 3: me now while I'm living and not finding out about
Speaker 3: you talking about me.
Speaker 2: What about legends? DMC? I know what he did? He does? Oh,
Speaker 2: so I want you to This is your house. Anytime
Speaker 2: you want to promote. I don't even even care if
Speaker 2: you want to promote eyebrows. It's okay. You can come
Speaker 2: over here and come over here anytime you want your
Speaker 2: new news. But your little toe now, no matter what
Speaker 2: you want to out here. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: we we here. This is your house. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. This is run dmc house, you know. So
Speaker 2: I want you to know that, man, I want you
Speaker 2: to know how important you are. You're like that big
Speaker 2: Daddy Cane and Bismarck to me because they were my
Speaker 2: drunk run, my forty drinking run. I would always go
Speaker 2: to Cane Hut. I'm surprised y'all didn't ask him. There
Speaker 2: was crazy Kane only drink red wine now, well, but
Speaker 2: back then he wasn't drinking the forties. He would invite
Speaker 2: me over his house. I would go over his house
Speaker 2: and empty out his fidget sh and fill it up
Speaker 2: with forties. And he called his mother, Mom, you would
Speaker 2: have no idea what's going on? That's how all that
Speaker 2: I was DMC. Yes, Mom, that DMC just came in
Speaker 2: and took all my food and shit and filled the
Speaker 2: refrigerator with forties. Rest in peace of biz Mark, Rest
Speaker 2: in peace.
Speaker 3: Right before he passed, his wife was calling people for
Speaker 3: words of encouragement.
Speaker 2: Okay, I heard.
Speaker 3: About Yes, called me and said, I need you. You
Speaker 3: know he can hear us this and that boom. He
Speaker 3: can't respond, but we know he can hear us. I
Speaker 3: need something for you to tell Bismark And she said, wow,
Speaker 3: this is that's that's.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like crying. I said, tell Biz and
Speaker 2: he's going to know what I'm talking about. Just whispering
Speaker 2: is the DMC says thanks for letting me in. I
Speaker 2: would be in a drunk stupor three two in the morning, No,
Speaker 2: Matt and I would go to Bi's house and.
Speaker 3: And if it wasn't his family, Steve c at the
Speaker 3: don't let him in. This would always let me in
Speaker 3: long Holes. No in Long nine, Long Island when he
Speaker 3: lived in Jersey. I think it was any of my
Speaker 3: house in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Three, you know, one in four and to the point
Speaker 2: where he would be on the road, it's hold on
Speaker 2: and if people would let me in his house. And
Speaker 2: I looked back and I said, I look back and
Speaker 2: what I was doing now? But biz Marky will always
Speaker 2: let me in, and Kane would always let me. I
Speaker 2: love King God, Damn, I spake some noise for that moment.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Let me just reveal one
Speaker 3: thing I never thought I would be on the show Man.
Speaker 3: We've been trying though. No, was not drinking when when
Speaker 3: my managers, Bro Little little Eric Blam was saying this
Speaker 3: and that they really they want me, Like.
Speaker 2: Just for some reason, I didn't think I was cool enough. Really,
Speaker 2: you're cool enough for you to be here. Yes, I
Speaker 2: think you. Thank you. That's a compliment to yo, the compliment.
Speaker 2: I'm honored and humble to sat that that was on
Speaker 2: your mind. I'm gonna be honest with you. Like I
Speaker 2: said earlier, I wasn't saying this because it sounds good
Speaker 2: like in a lot of ways. You was the first
Speaker 2: commercial successful coming out of our burrow like you was.
Speaker 2: I want to say national, but I want to say
Speaker 2: world wide. You know what I mean? Like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like before that we had records in
Speaker 2: Queens and things like that. But like the first time
Speaker 2: I seen Walk this Way, that was on MTV, this
Speaker 2: SUPERSTI you guys, was in between like five different like
Speaker 2: you know, white category videos and this remember right over that.
Speaker 2: I can see that level that's crazy to me. And
Speaker 2: like and then then it's from Queens. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I know him being a DJ, you know
Speaker 2: with Jam Message J. I know this guy, where's Adidas
Speaker 2: to this day?
Speaker 3: Cose of you guys?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So this means the world to us.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Big up. First off, I
Speaker 2: want to say rest in pieces of Jam Massa J,
Speaker 2: his family, my condolass and also you know know, big
Speaker 2: up to I'm gonna call him DJ Ryn, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And big up to the whole run
Speaker 2: DMC family. Because in all honesty, like I said, if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for y'all, I don't think this show would
Speaker 2: even exist. I don't think I would exist as the
Speaker 2: artists don't think he would. This is a DJ and
Speaker 2: that's that's that's no exaggeration, real talk. We love you, man,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for stopping by said we love you.
Speaker 3: This is your show.
Speaker 2: Anytime you want to come through here, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what you want to promote my brother.
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