1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: There's Charles w. Chucky Bryant, and there's Jerry uh the 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Delicious dish rolland and this is Stuff you should Know, 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: the vintage nostalgia addition that went off to China and 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: then got sold to a different company edition. So do 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: you want to have a rough list of classic toys 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: we've covered? You wanna hear it? Oh? Lay it on me. 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure I've missed something, but it did help me 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: think of some more that we should do. It. Slinky, 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: we did slinky. Oh yeah, we did slink. Okay, yeah, 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: Lego Oh yeah, of course. Barbie sure, her boyfriend g 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: I Joe. Yeah, that was a good one. Sorry, wait 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, I'm sorry. Did we just 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: specifically do a G I Joe winner in Action figures one? 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: I think both. We definitely did action figures, although probably not. Okay, 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: go ahead, I'll cross check that. Hot wheels, So so 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: this is a made up list, is what you're saying. 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: Hot wheels? Ye, I'm glad you didn't. You didn't call 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: it hot wheels. Easy bake oven m play dough, silly putty. 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: All right, do you count boomerangs? Yes, sure, do you 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: count Monopoly? Yeah, Yo yos. Of course, Hula Hoops. I 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: knew Hula Hoops was after Yo Yos. I just knew it. 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: Teddy Ruxpan, we we covered him in our Christmas show 25 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: this year. Oh yeah, that's a deep cut right there. 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: And then that's all I have. But um, I could 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: have sworn we did it on Frisbees, but I cannot 28 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: find it. Yeah. I feel like we did Frisbees too, 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: because I think we talked about like frall for something 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's out 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: there and I just didn't or maybe it's under a 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: flying disc or something. Oh that's possible. Yeah, we made 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: that joke about calling it a novelty flying disc because Frisbee, 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: like used to see everybody who called anything else to Frisbee. 35 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll have to look, but that there's probably more 36 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: out there. But that's a solid you know, twelve or thirteen. 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: That's pretty good, which leads us to edge sketch. Yes, 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: one of the hundred top hundred toys of the century, 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: according to UM, I want to say not the toy 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. It's just in the Toy Hall of Fame. 41 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Kid who makes lists online? All right, Uh, this is 42 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: the hundred best toys of the century. This is the 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: hundred best guitar solos of the seventies. Oh man, I'd 44 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: love to do a show on that. That would be 45 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: pretty cool. I can't remember who named that that who 46 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: made that list, but it's a high honor. It's a 47 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: high accolade, even if we can't remember who came up 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: with it. Like, it just catches the ubiquitous toy. Everybody 49 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: knows what an that just sketches unless you go to 50 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: France and then they'll say, oh, you mean like cro 51 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: magic and you you might say, like, well, why would 52 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: they have anything to say about the extra sketch in France? 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: Turns out, buddy, the a just sketch is actually French 54 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: in origin. Did you know that before this? I did not. 55 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: I didn't either, because it seems like super American, you know, 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: it looks like a TV and just feels like pure Americana. 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: So when I realized I had some French stank on it, uh, 58 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: my dreams were dashed. You like, it smells like champagne 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: and cheese. Which is kind of pleasant. No, I didn't 60 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: really care. I thought it was I thought it was great. Sketch, 61 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: erase and sketch again. The logline that will forever be 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: tied to this really interesting little toy. And um, I 63 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: can't remember who it is in this article, but they 64 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: were interviewing different folks. I think it was someone from 65 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: the company commented, and I totally agree that, like, it's 66 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: amazing that today, in in the digital world and Bluetooth 67 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: and WiFi and video gaming as it is, that this 68 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: little um low fi toy that doesn't even have batteries 69 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: in it, much less hook up to the internet is 70 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: still like super popular and still has a little bit 71 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: of mystique. And I agree with them, And I think 72 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: the reason why one of them is like you look 73 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: at it and you're still kind of like, how does 74 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: this thing work? Right, Well, we're going to ruin that 75 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: mystique for everybody because we're gonna explain how it works 76 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: actually in this episode. But hopefully it won't affect that 77 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: just sketch sales, because we love I just catch you know, 78 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: all right, should we go to France? We will go 79 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: to France sometime. It's apparently not clear whether it was 80 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five or nineteen fifty six, But in a 81 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: little town called Vitry Sir Sin, which means Victory on 82 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: the Sin River, there was a company called what was 83 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: the name of the company, chuck uh lynn crusta company name. 84 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: It is a terrible name. But the reason they called 85 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: themselves that is because Lynn Crusta is a type of 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: wall covering that was really popular in the nineteenth or 87 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: early twenty centuries. You know, like, have you ever been 88 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: into an old, creepy, abandoned house and like the walls 89 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: are covered in what looks like dimpled tin with like 90 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: some weird patterns to it or whatever. M m no, 91 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: but keep going, Okay, So where if you you could 92 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: rub your hand over it's very much it's like heavily embossed. 93 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's painted and it's just imagined. That is like 94 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Wayne scouting in the house. That is Lynn Crusta. And 95 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: so that is one of the two things that this 96 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: company made in the fifties, Lynn crusta wall coverings and 97 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: artificial leather that is really neither here nor there, but 98 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: I could I was with you. I was like, what 99 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of a name is that for a company. I 100 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: looked it up. They just basically be like if you 101 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: and I called our podcast podcast, because that's what we did, 102 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: was make podcasts, crust pod Crusta, just the name crust Anyway. 103 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: I think I know what you're talking about because I have, 104 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: uh we have a pie safe that has that metal 105 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: tin stuff. But it's I've never seen it on a wall, 106 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: but I bet it's about the same thing, virtually the 107 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, okay, so that's link Crusta and that's 108 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: where this guy worked. His name was Andre Cassagnas. Well, 109 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: if it's French, wouldn't it be uh Caissan is that pronounced? Yeah, 110 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: I think you just nailed it. Actually, Andre Cassong. Well 111 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna call him. And we have gone 112 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: back in time. You didn't know fifty five or fifty six, 113 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I say we go to fifty four. Just play it safe, 114 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: setup shop in France and maybe get some emails done. 115 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: Alright for a couple of years. Why not we could 116 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: use a break um because you know, podcaster burnouts a 117 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: real thing. Really, we're dropping, We're dropping like flies, all right. 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: So he's working in this factory. It's north of Paris, 119 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: and they are making these uh wall coverings like you're 120 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: talking about. And he this is a little confusing how 121 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: this actually happens if you ask me, or at least 122 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: the way that the first article put it, it's confusing. 123 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: Oh you're leaving it to me. I noticed by your 124 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: by your pass after that, well, I mean no, let's 125 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: let's I'll start it. But I just still don't quite 126 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: get it. He marked up with pencil on a see 127 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: through decal, so like he was putting on an electrical plate, 128 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: um like a light switch. And on that plate, like 129 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: many things, has like a little see through plastic that 130 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: you peel off. Um, so he was writing on that 131 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: he peeled it off. But then that's where it loses me. 132 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: It's to exactly what took place. So okay, remember this 133 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: is link Crusta and they make metal wall coverings, which 134 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: means there's metal dust in the air, metal shavings everywhere, right, 135 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: all of them are. Um that's what's crazy. This guy 136 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: made it to that ripole age of eighty six after 137 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: breathing that for years. But um, so there's there's metal 138 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: dust everywhere, including on this electrical switch plate that he's installing. 139 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: And I guess the decal against the plate. And I 140 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: think what happened was when he marked on the decal 141 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: and pulled the decale off, he'd seen that he had 142 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: disturbed the metal shavings that were stuck to the underside 143 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: of the decal. Do you see what I mean? Like 144 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: he he had disturbed the shape, so so there was 145 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: like the whole decal is coated in a metal dust. 146 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: He marks on it with a pencil and the impression 147 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: that he makes like gouges out lines on the backside 148 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: the decal. But I know it's really tough. It was magic. Basically, 149 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: this man witnessed a feat of magic that still cannot 150 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: be explained to this day. And that's where he got 151 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: his idea for the etch just sketch amazing. So a big, 152 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: big moment he has that that literal lightbulb that goes 153 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: off of his or I'm not literal of course, light 154 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: bulb above his head, although you never know, there may 155 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: have been a light bulb in that factory right above 156 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: his head. Why not? Uh? And he said, all right, 157 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: this is uh, this, this can be something. He however, 158 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: did not have a lot of money to sink into 159 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: this weird idea, and so he had to partner with 160 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: somebody with money, man named Paul uh Chase c j 161 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: z E or maybe Shaw's if he's French. And this 162 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: guy had some dough because he owned a plastic injection 163 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: molding company. This is like early on, I wonder if 164 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: we could count. That's a toy, the the little plastic 165 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: machines that spent out little plastic guitars in Chicago and 166 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: it zoos. Yes, Rama, that would definitely count. Yeah, that 167 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: goes on the list. Yeah, so he didn't. It wasn't 168 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: mold rama, but it was plastic injection molding that this 169 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: guy made his money from. Uh. And this where things 170 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: get a little confusing historically because, uh, the man who 171 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: his accountant, his name was Arthur Grangenny. You are nailing 172 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: the French today. Try to run French people, You can't. 173 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Chuck is pronouncing your words just beautifully. So his accountant 174 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: is actually given credit a lot of times because he 175 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: filed the patent under his name, which I'm curious about 176 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: how that works legally. Uh. He so he was do 177 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: you remember the first time we did south By Southwest 178 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: and on the sign it had like somebody I can't 179 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: remember whose name it was, but whoever had like filed 180 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: the application to get us into south By Southwest. It 181 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: said that like, that's who was performing in the room 182 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: that day. I think this is the same, basically the 183 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: same thing. Where as like the US government bureaucracy, the 184 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: Patent and UM Trademark office basically said, whoever his name 185 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: is on there, that is, who is the patent holder. 186 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: And since um Grand Gene, who was the accountant of Chaise, 187 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: who was the partner of qusayan Um, since he was 188 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: the one who actually filled out the application and paid 189 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: for the application for the patent, as far as the 190 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: government was concerned, he was the person who patented the 191 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: just catch in the United States, even though grand made 192 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: no claim on it whatsoever, immediately transferred the title over 193 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: to Shase. He's for for decades, everybody thought Arthur grand 194 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: Jean was the guy who invented the A sketch. Interesting, alright, 195 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: so that was July nine fifty nine was when this 196 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: patent was granted. And um, I guess we should just 197 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: look at the little guy itself, the little TV, looking 198 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: that iconic red frame with the two dials which it 199 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: didn't have initially. Well we'll get to that. But um, 200 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: the underside of the screen here has what's known in 201 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: the patent as a pull virulent material such as aluminum powder. 202 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: Is that French as well? I don't know, uh? And 203 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: then to keep that from clumping up there a little 204 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: tiny plastic beads and then the two knobs control um 205 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: again from the patent, a movable tracing stylus, although initially 206 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: it was a joystick, isn't that right? Yeah, yeah, basically 207 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: like an atari um, but it served the same purpose 208 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: and it was it was um held together the same 209 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: way through an intricate system of pulleys and gears that 210 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: that moved the stylus either upward or downward. And then 211 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: if you combine the upward and downward together you could 212 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: make the diagonals and circles and stuff like that. But 213 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: it's if you it's really tough to describe what's going 214 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: on and and and that's just sketch. But there's an 215 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: House Stuff Works article from years back called Inside and 216 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: that just sketch where the people the House of Verse 217 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: like took one apart and photographed it and explained it 218 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: step by step, and it really becomes much simpler and 219 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: ruins any bit of magic. There is to it when 220 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: you see inside ants just sketch, but it's still kind 221 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: of wondrous, you know, like the engineer and you was like, wow, 222 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's sort of like, Um, I mean, 223 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: it's not a negative image, I don't think. But what's 224 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: going on when you're moving those knobs, Uh, there's a 225 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: stylist that's actually removing like the screen is coated with 226 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: this powder. So it's actually removing powder, not adding something 227 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: to the screen. Yes, exactly. And of course if you 228 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: want to get that away and start a new picture, 229 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: you just shake that thing up and that recoads the 230 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: screen once again with that powder. Yeah. So like you 231 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: know how your TV screen always has tons of dust 232 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: on it, no matter how often you dust it. Sure, 233 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: So that's because like that dust is attracted electrostatically through 234 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: an electrical charge to the glass. That's they take advantage 235 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: of that same thing with the underside of the um 236 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: etch a sketch and that aluminum dust which sticks to everything, 237 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: like it wants to stick to the glass because I 238 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: think it's missing some electrons or something. And then when 239 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: you move the stylus through it, you're just removing that 240 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: that dust. Like you said, it's not a negative. It's 241 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: the removal of dust. And that's the next that just 242 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: sketch like at its at its core. And what's interesting, 243 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: Chuck is like, that is how a nuts just sketch 244 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: today works. That's how ants just sketch worked in nineteen 245 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: sixty two, like the two meaning like also but that 246 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: that that dude, Andre Cassaigne said, this is how this 247 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: is gonna work. And it's it's basically the same thing. 248 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome. Uh, let's take a break. Yes, we're 249 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: gonna come back and talk about coming stateside right after this. Alright, So, Chuck, 250 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: so how did we agree on his last name? I 251 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: think I'm butchering it still. And I even took years 252 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: of French in high school. I think he said casserole. 253 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: All right, Andre Casserole. That seems it seems wrong. Yeah, 254 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm still gonna go with Cassan. Okay, there you go. 255 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: Andre Cassan. Um, he knew he was onto something like 256 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: this guy was an electrician. He was like, this is 257 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: a great idea, this is a prototype I made, This 258 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: is this is worth something? So he um and Cruise, 259 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: I guess funded a trip to the Nuremberg Toy Fair 260 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: UM in ninety nine. And uh, it was there that 261 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: Cassan was walking around saying, check this thing out. It 262 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: is yours for a mere hundred thousand dollars, which at 263 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: the time was a lot of money. I think it 264 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: was eight hundred and seventy thou dollars today. And that's 265 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: what this guy wanted for the for the right to 266 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: produce this um. And every toymaker at the place said no, 267 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: including a little toymaker called ohio Art Um. Everybody turned 268 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: it down, and Cassan went home from the toy fair 269 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: empty handed. But he he didn't give up. He still persisted. 270 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: But that was a big strikeout for him right out 271 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: of the gate. Yes, so Ohio Art eventually settles on 272 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: a number of grand for the rights to make this 273 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: thing in the United States. Uh. It is still called 274 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: La Chrome Magique in France because they had a different 275 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: licensing deal over there. From the from the get go 276 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: Um and Ohio Art company is pretty interesting. It started, 277 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: did you see that thing? Should? Yeah? They started out 278 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: in nineteen o eight, founded by a man named a 279 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: dentist named Dr Henry S. WinCE Winsler in Archibald Ohio. 280 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: He gets out of dentistry because he's like, hey, man, 281 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: toys is the future. Toys is There's no future in teeth. 282 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: In a decade, no one in America is gonna have teeth. 283 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: It's just a losing trade to be in his dentistry. Yeah, 284 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: so he uh all the way forward. He rented a 285 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: UM musical, hired fifteen women and they were making metal 286 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: picture frames at first, to great great success. M hmm yeah. Um. 287 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: So they they use something called the metal lithography, which 288 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: is a type of printing, and I think the metal 289 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: refers to like the medium that you're using to print with, 290 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: like the like you carve a picture out of metal 291 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: and you put inc it and then you print on 292 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: whatever you want. But they were printing on to metal. 293 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Like they had like these UM picture frames and pictures 294 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: that were like a huge seller of a Cupid. It 295 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: was a pair of like oval plates basically, but they 296 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: were metal printed printed pictures on them, like a Cupid 297 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: hanging out and then the same Cupid sleeping, and it's 298 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: just kind of like whatever, Like these days, it seems 299 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of it's got a tinge of old timey creepiness. 300 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: But in the first half of the twentieth century, there 301 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: were fifty million sets of those things sold in the 302 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: United States, which is an astounding amount. It's basically every 303 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: house in America had a pair of this, and that 304 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: really kind of made Ohio art like a very viable business. 305 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: But they eventually got into things like sand pails and 306 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: little trucks and that kind of thing. Anything that was 307 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: printed with metal before the time that plastic toys came along, 308 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: they were into so it wasn't a huge leap into 309 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: the edge just sketch, but the edge sketch was definitely 310 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: different than anything that they'd ever kind of messed around 311 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: with for Did you know I've done metal lithography? No? Yeah, 312 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: it was one of our in industrial arts. It was, 313 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, and at least at my school, each quarter 314 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: you did a different medium or whatever, and uh, lithography 315 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: was something we did one quarter. Do you remember what 316 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: you printed? I'm trying to remember what I printed. It's 317 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: funny I can remember that because we also at one 318 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: quarter was screen printing. Remember the T shirts? I did 319 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: monkeys T shirts like this, see no evil here, No 320 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: evil monkeys. No, the Band of Monkeys. They're there their 321 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: logo with the guitar spelled out as monkeys, Like, wow, 322 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: did you draw it yourself? No? No, no, of course 323 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: not um, but we did metal sheet lithography. I don't 324 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: remember all of the process, but what I do remember 325 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: was essentially was like burning chemically burning images onto metal 326 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: plates and then that metal plate was used to print. Okay, 327 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: So so the metal and metal lithography does it talks 328 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: about the metal press that you're using to print with 329 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: like at the end of There may be different processes, 330 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: but in my class, we would um do this thing 331 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: and apply this like uh image with like this gel 332 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: onto a metal sheet and use this combination of chemicals 333 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: that would burn that into like make it part of 334 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: the metal. And then all of a sudden you would 335 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: have a metal sheet within thing on it like a 336 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: negative image, and then you would use that in the 337 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: printing process to print a positive image, right, and you 338 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: could print use that to print onto anything including other metal. Right. 339 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: Well hey man, that's where my knowledge and again this 340 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: was ninth grade me, so I've I've forgotten a lot 341 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: of things over that time period, right, And I'm sure 342 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: I just butchered that. But that's my one little dance 343 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: with metal lithography. Well, I'll tell you who would be 344 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: able to tell us exactly how you could, um, how 345 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: metal lithography works. It's anybody who works at Ohio Art, 346 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: because not only was that their bread and butter before 347 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: the atch just catch it still is today. Actually so 348 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: so Ohio Art, like I guess, gets in touch with 349 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: um Andre Cassan and and either he got in touch 350 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: with them again or they got in touch with him. 351 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: I think it was the ladder of the two and said, hey, 352 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: we heard you're selling this for a hundred grand. It's 353 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: way too rich for our blood. How about either fifteen 354 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: thousand or twenty five thousand, depending on who you ask 355 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: in the future. And Cassan is like, what are you 356 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: talking about there, Like, just take the money. And so 357 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: they either got it for fifteen thousand or twenty five thousand, 358 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: which is still substantial. I mean it was like around 359 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: a hundred k or um two k something like that, 360 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: depending on which one it was, and Cassan was quite 361 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: a happy man. There was a story where Um, the 362 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: guy who was running the show at Ohio Art and 363 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: his wife went over to meet Andre Cassan and just 364 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: kind of have like an initial eating and like shake 365 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: his hand and all that and buy the license from him, 366 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: and Cassan was like welcome and had like this huge 367 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: spread of baguettes and champagne and everything at his house, 368 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: which is pretty cute because there was just like this 369 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: humble guy who came up with a really great idea 370 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: for a toy and was finally like selling it for 371 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of cash. Interesting, what the baggetts in champagne? Yeah, 372 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: but you know what are you gonna do? Well? Went 373 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: in France, right, so he is. Once he's on board 374 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: with Ohio Art, he gets together with their chief engineer, 375 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Burger and says, and Burger's like, listen here, frenchie, 376 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: you need to drop the joystick. It's all knobs these days. 377 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: And he said, what does that knob? And he was like, well, 378 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: let me show you, and he he introduced the idea 379 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: of UM, the same system like you were talking about, 380 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: but knobs instead of a joystick to move that little 381 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: line horizontal or vertical, or as you pointed out, if 382 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: you're really talented and you can master both at once, 383 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: you can actually do UM rooted. Well, if you're really good, 384 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: you can do very nice current lines. But beyond rudimentary. 385 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: No neither am I I can make a line go 386 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: up and a line go to the left or right. Yeah, 387 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: well we'll get you can't even make it go down. 388 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: We'll get to the art of it. Um maybe at 389 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: the end. But because there are some serious artists out 390 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: there doing some cool stuff, but at any rate, at 391 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: just sketch. It was rebranded as etch a sketch in 392 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: the United States, Ohio Arts producing them for the nineteen 393 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: six holiday season and they sold about six hundred thousand 394 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: of these um that year, which is a it's a lot, yeah, 395 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: and they sold it for a lot of money too. 396 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: They they went for sale at two dollars and nine 397 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: cents apiece, which is sixty four in today's money. Um. 398 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: But I mean if you go by and it's just 399 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: sketched today, it's between and in fifteen bucks. So that 400 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: was a lot of money, especially to sell six hundred 401 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: thousand of these things, especially if you were selling like 402 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: creepy you know, metal waste baskets with an unsettling clown 403 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: painted on it are printed on it like right before this. 404 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: This is a huge it was. It was a good 405 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: move by the people at Ohio Art to buy the 406 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: license of this thing, in other words, and they say, 407 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: chook that it coincided really perfectly with television, so much 408 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: so that that they believe like that is one of 409 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: the reasons why Jerry Burger was like, you need knobs, 410 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: this thing needs to look like a TV set, because 411 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: that's what's all the rage with the kids right now. Yeah, 412 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: and he um. It was one of the first toys 413 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: to actually do a TV commercial. And so if it's 414 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: NIX and you're a child watching, first of all, your 415 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: mind is blown because you're watching in television to begin with. 416 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: It's just like you, I can't believe this. I can't 417 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: believe what's going on right now. Then a TV commercial 418 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: comes on for a toy uh uh, and this toy 419 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 1: has animation in it to where like they would at 420 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: just sketch a little rocket ship and then that rocket 421 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: ship that rocket ship would animate and take off. And 422 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: this was like these kids might have I mean, keep 423 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: in mind, kids in nineteen sixty were idiots, but they 424 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: might as well have been dosed with lsd mm hmm. 425 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: You know, they just kept fainting over and over again 426 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: throughout the commercial because they could not believe what they 427 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: were seeing. And it's just it's just an etch, just sketch, 428 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but it's genius. I love it. It is, 429 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: but it really I think the point was though that 430 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: like taking advantage of the novelty of TV and also 431 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: now having away like if you we just tried to 432 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: explain and that just sketch over a podcast prior to TV, 433 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: if that just sketch you come out during like the 434 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: Little Orphan, any radio era, they would have had to 435 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: have done the same thing. It wouldn't have landed quite 436 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: as well. The fact that a kid could see this 437 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: happening on their TV screen, it was pretty awesome. And 438 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: then also to say and then you just shake it, 439 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: turn it upside down and shake it and code the 440 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: glass screen again and you're you're drawing is gone forever. 441 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: Like to be able to see that TV made the 442 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: it just gets what it was like. For sure. It 443 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 1: definitely ushered into a position where it could become like 444 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: a cultural icon of a nostalgia. Yeah, I mean, you know, 445 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: they perfected it by the time they started rolling off 446 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty. Prior to that, like any product like this, 447 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: there was a lot of R and d um. One 448 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: of the people who worked there, talked about the mountain 449 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: of red frames behind the factory while they were trying 450 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: to get it right. Um, and it was such a 451 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: huge smash it out of the gate that uh As 452 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: legend has it they were manufacturing up until noon on 453 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve just to get them to the West Coast 454 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: in time for Christmas morning. Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty cool. 455 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they really wanted those kids to have those 456 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: Thats Just catches. They really wanted that money. Should we 457 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: take another break, Yeah, all right, we'll talk about some 458 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: some ways at Just Sketches ebbed and flowed and popularity 459 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: in pop culture over the years. Right for this, Chuck, 460 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if we said it or not, but 461 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: from what I've seen, more than a hundred and seventy 462 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: five million ET Just sketches have been sold since nineteen six. 463 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: And we should point out we're not just like ticking 464 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: off a list of pop culture references. Like every time 465 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: this happened, uh ET Just Sketch sales would go up. Yeah, 466 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: like the Romney one increased sales like thirty percent. I 467 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: guess everybody was like, Oh, I just guess I forgot 468 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: about that. I think I'll go buy one right now. Well, 469 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: they actually branded after that, UM, Republican and Democrat sketches, 470 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: that didn't they Yeah, so you could buy a red 471 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: one or a blue one, but both of them came 472 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: with a sticker which I'm I'm assuming that they printed 473 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: on their metal lithography presses of a donkey and an elephant, 474 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: like playing Tugo war on the front of the White 475 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: House lawn. Yeah, that's just crazy, it is, but it's 476 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: also that's smart. You know, that's how you that's how 477 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: you make the money. UM. And then of course in 478 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: the movie Toy Story from Pixar, uh, that was UM 479 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: Like one of the character's name was and had the 480 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: fastest knobs in the West, and that was that was 481 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: always a very fun uh character. I think to see 482 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: them drawing things out really fast to communicate. Yeah, and 483 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, you said something earlier, you were you were 484 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: talking about how like despite the fact that it doesn't 485 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: even have batteries, it's had the staying power for you know, 486 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: fifty something years, almost sixty years it's been around, UM 487 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: and it's a really simple thing that that the design 488 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: hasn't changed. And I think even more of a testimony 489 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: to you know, the the staying power of the etch 490 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: A Sketch is the fact that they have tried stuff 491 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: with batteries and like like things that connect to your 492 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: computer over the years, and nothing has managed to improve 493 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: on the original etch A sketch. Like there was do 494 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: you remember that at Just Sketch Animator? So I I 495 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: couldn't quite place it either, but I went and watched 496 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: an old ad. It was big in the eighties and 497 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: it was basically like an et just sketch, but there 498 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: was nothing mechanical about it. It was digital. You're creating 499 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: like a bit map digital picture and um. Then you'd 500 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: press like I guess play or something like that, and 501 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: it would just kind of run it um like a 502 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: flipbook over and over again. So your it just skets 503 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: drawing like came to life. But kids were like, no, 504 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: I'd rather have the original ETU sketch because that Sketch 505 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: Animator went away and the I just sketches still available today. Yeah, 506 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean there have been um other variations. They had 507 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: the doodle sketch, Um, the plug in play, which this 508 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: sounds like a bad IDEA plug in play allows you 509 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: to draw on the TV screen. That's just asking for 510 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: trouble as a parent. UM and then the mobile app, 511 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: which I've been playing with today. Oh, how's it going? Well? 512 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think of this picture? Oh? 513 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: That's it's not bad. It looks kind of edges sketchy, 514 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So what you can do is it's 515 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: kind of fun. UM. You can you can upload or 516 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: take a photo UM on your smartphone, plug it into 517 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: the app, and then it will instantly etchify it. And 518 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: what I've learned is that it's UM the more basic, 519 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: like a picture of your face, works much better than 520 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: something with a lot of stuff in the background. But 521 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: it's fun, right, yeah, you know, yeah, I like it. 522 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: I was reading reviews of the app. I didn't try 523 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: it myself like you, but it's uh it did say 524 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: like if it's a basic picture, you'll look way more 525 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: etch just sketchy. Yeah. So my official review is not bad. 526 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: So three stars out of six. Sure. I mean for 527 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: something that downloaded in thirty seconds and was free, I'm 528 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: gonna give it a half of them up, you know. 529 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: So UM one of the things that that has kind 530 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: of kept at just sketch alive for like the younger kids. 531 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: If I read this article about UM that's just sketch, 532 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 1: and it was right before they sold, so a lot 533 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: of people don't know ohio Art doesn't make that just 534 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: sketch anymore. They sold it to a brand called spin Master, 535 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: and I didn't I didn't see that. Yeah it's not 536 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: it's not ohio Art. Ohio Are it said we're going 537 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: back to metal lithography, and that's what they did. So 538 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: they sold that just sketch off to spin Master. Spin 539 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: Masters like, that's fine with us, baby, thanks for all 540 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: these licenses. Um, I mean I just sketch a frozen 541 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: branded that just sketches it. You might as well just 542 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: be like a printing press for money, right, So it 543 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: was probably a pretty goodbye for spin Master in Ohio Ar. 544 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: It was like this thing is it was great. It 545 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: was a good run while it lasted, but they all 546 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: so I had to oversee it through some really dark 547 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: times because, um, well, for one thing, like I just sketched, 548 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: is it landing with the millennials? I get the impression 549 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: like it used to um with the baby boomers. That 550 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: was one thing. Um. And Ohio Art also almost went 551 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: bankrupt because of it back in like two thousand one. 552 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: They managed to get some more money back into the 553 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: business and and stay afloat. But part of that also 554 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: was they had to send the manufacturing of that just 555 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: sketched off to China, which they were really unhappy about 556 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: because they lost like thirty five jobs in tiny little Brian, Ohio. 557 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: But eventually, like fifteen years later, they said, you know 558 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: what we're getting out that that's just sketch business and 559 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: sold it off to spin Master, which is a weird name. 560 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: But the but then one of the things, it's a 561 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: little weird, Ohio art's a little weird too. You don't 562 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: associate Ohio with art, you know, you just don't. I'll 563 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: say it again to Chrissy Hind. Chrissy Hind gets what 564 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying for sure. Um So the thing that one 565 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: of the things that that is keeping it just sketch relevant. 566 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: The reason why, like if you walk up to like 567 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old and say what do you think 568 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: about that? Just catch you say, oh, yeah, I've heard 569 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: of that. Because every once in a while you'll see 570 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: on the internets a photo or two of somebody who 571 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: is really really good at that just sketch and it 572 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: just kind of makes the rounds on social media. Yeah, 573 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean everything from like the Mona Lisa to just 574 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: like portraits of people to landscapes. Uh. What's really fun 575 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: is you can go on YouTube and look at time 576 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: laps um renderings at just sketch renderings, which when you're 577 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: seeing it done super fast like that, you kind of 578 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: think like, I feel like I could do that, But 579 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: you really have to be a a master with those knobs. 580 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: Like UM, what I found is the thing you really 581 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: need to master to do everything um that you want 582 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: to do is being able to retrace well because as 583 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: everyone knows, it's not like a pencil can't pick it 584 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: up off the paper and start somewhere else. You have 585 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: to if you want to go somewhere else, you have 586 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: to retrace as closely to that original line as you can, 587 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: all the way back to that point that you want 588 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: to be at, or else it's just gonna look like 589 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: something you're that I did, which looks like something at 590 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: Toddler did. Yeah, And I mean like that's a it's 591 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: a really good point. When you're making a good at 592 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: just sketch drawing, it is all one single line, so 593 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: frequently double back over and that's just sketch. Artists will 594 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: use like that frame. They'll create a line frame around 595 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: the edges that they can travel back out to and 596 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: move around the picture like that. Pretty brilliant. Yeah, there's 597 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: a guy named m. George Vlosits the third who's known 598 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: for some pretty amazing portraits of Muhammad Ali, Barack Obama, 599 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: Lebron James. There's a an artist named Jane lab A 600 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Witch or Labovich maybe she calls herself Princess at just sketch, 601 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: sent some amazing like architectural detail with it. And then 602 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: there's a guy named Ryan Burton who does erotic Simpsons art. 603 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: There you go with the etch just sketching. All three 604 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: of them are like really good at the drawings. Yeah, 605 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: the fan fick of just sketch our artists. And then 606 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: apparently if you when you're very satisfied with your et 607 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: just sketch and you don't want anything to happen to it, 608 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: you drill a hole in the back and get the 609 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: aluminum powder out, and then you lock the knobs to 610 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: keep them from being turned in. You have a net 611 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: just sketch masterpiece that you can hang in a museum. 612 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh so that makes it permanent. So when the little 613 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: uh so, when a kid comes in the museum and 614 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: rips it off the wall and shakes that nothing happens. No, no, 615 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: And I think by law you're allowed to pick up 616 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: that kid and shake it. Yes, so as long as 617 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: it's not a baby, you never shake a baby. Come on, 618 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: I would never advocate shaking a baby. Everybody just want 619 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: to go on record to say that there was you know, 620 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: the comedian Nate Bargatzi. He has a he's great. He's 621 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: got a very funny bit about shaking babies. Believe it 622 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: or not, it takes a lot to turn that into 623 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: something funny. Yeah, he did it. Man, good for him. 624 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: Nate BURGOTSI huh Nate Burgotti, dude, you would love him. 625 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: He's great. So Nate Burgotti just became a cultural icon 626 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: because we did not see him coming up in this episode. 627 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, well, if you want to know more 628 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: about Nate Burgotti, you should go check him out on 629 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: the internet like I'm going to. And uh, since I 630 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: said na Purgatzi, it's time for listener mayo. Man, if 631 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: someone tells Nate, we're plugging him, plugging away, plugging Nate. 632 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: All right here, I'm gonna mention this is about Jerry 633 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: and her eating and this is from Kim Cooper. Did 634 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: you see this Jerry? She says, no, Hey, guys, I 635 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: notice that you often mentioned what Jerry is eating a 636 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: lot during the podcast. I don't know how close to 637 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: you she how close she is to your microphones. I'll 638 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: go ahead and say that from your side over there, 639 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: she's about five ft Like. All I have to do 640 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: is lean in my seat a little bit and I 641 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: can touch Jerry's miso soup. That's right. You could dip 642 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: your bumb in her soup sometimes, I threatened, I don't 643 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: know how she close she is to your microphones, but 644 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: I never hear her eating, which is good for your 645 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: fans with Misa Ponia. But I'm curious why she chooses 646 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: this time to eat. Do you guys spend all day 647 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: podcasting and that's the only time she can fit it in? 648 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: No silly question that popped into my head listening to 649 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: This Week this week after Josh said, and there's Jerry eating. 650 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: God knows what um Anyway, Guys, she's got me interested 651 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: in trying me. So I tell her she's doing a 652 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: great job because I don't know, because I know she 653 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: doesn't get too many shout outs and Josh and Chuck, 654 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: you guys are pretty great too. That is from Kim Cooper. 655 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: Thanks Kim, that's funny. She went all the way around. 656 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: Is it basically say? I guess what I'm trying to 657 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: say is I've always wanted to try me so yeah, 658 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: pretty much, we'll go try to me, so, Kim. I mean, 659 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: you can buy it at like any grocery store. Just 660 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: go get a tub of it, get a big old 661 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: spoon try your first spoonful. You can go from there. 662 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: I do you ever eat just miso paste? It's good 663 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: if you're craving something salty and savory and new. Mommy, 664 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: let's just say, um, it's good, but you can't. You 665 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: can't eat very much. But I'm just teasing him, like 666 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: a spoonful is a lot of me so paste, Okay, 667 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: what do you just add that to? Is it an ingredient? Yeah, 668 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: for like soup stuff like that. Yeah, but you can't 669 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: just seat the paste and live to tell about it. 670 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm proof. Well, if you want to get in 671 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: touch with us to talk about Jerry, we're always fine 672 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: with that. Um, you can go to stuff you should 673 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: Know dot com find out all of our social links 674 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: and you can always send us an email attention to everybody. 675 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: We have a new email address. 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