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Speaker 1: In this week's episode, Trump's second trial and I don't
Speaker 1: know count them three sixty five is underway, but this
Speaker 1: one is a criminal indictment being bought by New York
Speaker 1: Prosecutor Alvin Bragg. The Stormy Daniels Hush money case and
Speaker 1: trial rather started on Monday with jury selection. The former
Speaker 1: president will beginning count them four free days of publicity
Speaker 1: every week for as long as a trial lasts. Due
Speaker 1: to his alleged propensity to what wrongdoing. Scotus also appears
Speaker 1: to be wild. And if this week's oral arguments and
Speaker 1: the obstruction of justice case are any indication of things
Speaker 1: to come about, the insurrection and its protests lots to
Speaker 1: get to on that. Then for this week's deep dive,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into minority rule, which happens when
Speaker 1: the minority of the population controls the levels of government,
Speaker 1: so that basically the rest of us, the majority, live
Speaker 1: under the control of a small minority. Is this what
Speaker 1: the Framers intendant? And is this the kind of democracy
Speaker 1: we're living under? Also, it is Black Maternal Health Week.
Speaker 1: Black mothers face disproportionately high rates of maternal and infant
Speaker 1: mortality and these are absolutely preventable deaths, which is why
Speaker 1: it's so important that we talk about them. We all
Speaker 1: know that politics are everywhere, and this week it is
Speaker 1: all about women's salaries in sports. College basketball star Caitlin
Speaker 1: Clark and some of our phase Angel Reese and Camilla Cardoza.
Speaker 1: We're just strafted into the WNBA and folks are surprised,
Speaker 1: maybe horrified, even outraged at how much, or rather how
Speaker 1: low women's salaries and sports still unfortunately are, and then
Speaker 1: commemorate along with my co host Tiffany Cross. We will
Speaker 1: not blaze it up like we did last week. No,
Speaker 1: we didn't. No, I'm messing with you. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: last year's episode. But we do want to ensure that
Speaker 1: you know that politics of cannabis are indeed everywhere. Stick
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Speaker 1: Lampod fam and of course our calls to actions from
Speaker 1: each of the hosts. Stay tuned. Everybody is gonna be
Speaker 1: a good one. Trump's trials continued this week. He's facing
Speaker 1: charges in New York for hush money payments that he
Speaker 1: made during the twenty sixteen election cycle to adult film
Speaker 1: stars Stormy Daniels. It's the first time in US history
Speaker 1: that a former president is being tried on criminal charges.
Speaker 1: Jury selection began on Monday, and the case that's expected,
Speaker 1: I don't know, disrupt. Maybe some might argue help Trump
Speaker 1: during this presidential contest, as he is going to be
Speaker 1: on trial at least we believe for the next month
Speaker 1: or two. Now, y'all, I understand yesterday, or rather earlier
Speaker 1: this week, seven jurors were chosen to serve as part
Speaker 1: of the official trial. They were sworn in. They make
Speaker 1: up only four men, three women. Among them are two lawyers.
Speaker 1: There are eleven more jurors to be selected. Thirty four
Speaker 1: counts of falsifying business records altogether is what is involved
Speaker 1: in this trial. And as I said, jury selection did
Speaker 1: begin earlier this weekend. It's expected to be over by
Speaker 1: the end of this week early next week, with statements
Speaker 1: for opening beginning on Monday. Now, y'all, Trump could not
Speaker 1: help himself. We heard earlier in the selection he was
Speaker 1: batting his eyes, maybe giving them a little bit of
Speaker 1: a rests throughout the process. But we know he was
Speaker 1: alive and in effect during the break. This is what
Speaker 1: he had to say when he was able to step
Speaker 1: out of the courtroom.
Speaker 4: If you look at Jonathan Jerremy, Andy mcgarthy, all ran
Speaker 4: legal scholars, there's no one that we've been able to
Speaker 4: find that said this should be a trial. I called
Speaker 4: a I was paying a lawyer and marked it down
Speaker 4: as a legal expense. Some account I should know marked
Speaker 4: it down as a legal expense. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 3: And you've been.
Speaker 5: Indicted over that.
Speaker 1: I was paying a lawyer and some accountant marked it
Speaker 1: down as a legal expense. Did I hear it at mission?
Speaker 6: Y'all?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think that I want to shout out the first
Speaker 3: black DA in Manhattan, Alvin Bragg, who was following in
Speaker 3: the successful footsteps of the dynamic Tiss James, indeed the
Speaker 3: second black attorney to be able to go after Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And and it's no wonder they are so afraid, as
Speaker 3: our good sister Joy said of DEI, because DEI is
Speaker 3: coming for this dude. I also think it's important to
Speaker 3: note that this is you said it in the Rundown Andrews.
Speaker 3: It's Donald Trump's first of several criminal trials, this one,
Speaker 3: of course, in New York. A lot of this could
Speaker 3: get put on hold based on what we talk about
Speaker 3: next in the Supreme Court, what they end up deciding
Speaker 3: in that presidential immunity case. A lot of this could
Speaker 3: end up being of no consequence when we get to
Speaker 3: where they land in June or July, when those decisions
Speaker 3: come out in summer.
Speaker 1: No, that's right. I just thought it was odd. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you for those who are listening to
Speaker 1: the audio and were looking at it, as Donald Trump says,
Speaker 1: I was talking to a lawyer, and I paid a lawyer.
Speaker 1: In some accountant wrote it down as a legal expense.
Speaker 1: His lawyers begin to look at each other in the
Speaker 1: back and they sort of start to confer, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy has gotta be making your job that much harder.
Speaker 1: But for him to admit I paid, I paid this
Speaker 1: guy my lawyer. And of course the allegation here is
Speaker 1: that he paid his lawyer to pay Stormy Daniels to endorsement.
Speaker 3: Trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael, correct, But because he didn't name check him,
Speaker 1: he just said I paid a lawyer, and it was
Speaker 1: later then noted as such. But he pays, he pays Cohen,
Speaker 1: reimburses co in an amount. They mark it down as
Speaker 1: a business expense, and that's exactly what is in the
Speaker 1: crosshairs here that you cannot write it down as an
Speaker 1: expense for business if it is in fact a payment
Speaker 1: for a bride or to solence someone's harsh money.
Speaker 3: Thirty four felony counts of falsifying business records to hide
Speaker 3: reimbursement payments to former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.
Speaker 2: Well, can I just say I think it's for Had
Speaker 2: I had time, I definitely would have pulled some soun
Speaker 2: from Stormy Daniels because I think it's important to remind
Speaker 2: people what happened exactly that evening. Stormy Daniels was twenty
Speaker 2: seven years old at the time Donald Trump was sixty.
Speaker 2: It was a really compelling interview that Anderson Cooper did.
Speaker 2: Solid journalist and a great journalist interview he did with
Speaker 2: her because he allowed her to tell her story. A
Speaker 2: twenty seven year old woman had gone to his room.
Speaker 2: She was an adult film star. She's very clear this
Speaker 2: was not a me too situation. She had gone to
Speaker 2: the bathroom and when she came out, he was on
Speaker 2: the bed propositioning her, and she just looked like Bloch.
Speaker 2: She said, you know, this was not something that she
Speaker 2: wanted to do. Milanya had just given birth to their son,
Speaker 2: just like maybe two or three months prior. He was
Speaker 2: offering her, asking her would she be willing to be
Speaker 2: a contestant on The Apprentice. Stormy Daniels is an adult
Speaker 2: film star. She is no fool. She actually ran for Senate.
Speaker 2: I want to say in twenty eighteen. She's been a
Speaker 2: well known adult film star but also has dabbled in
Speaker 2: politics and has been very well aware. This sixty year
Speaker 2: old man, before he was president, when he was having
Speaker 2: sex with her, did not wear a condom with her.
Speaker 2: So I think these things are important to note for
Speaker 2: this quote unquote conservative right wing self described pro life
Speaker 2: party that they are uplifting. This is your president. So
Speaker 2: outside of whatever moral or ethical issues you have, I
Speaker 2: am not here to make that judgment. I'm just putting
Speaker 2: out the story. But aside from these moral ethical judgments
Speaker 2: that people have, then you have the legal issue Andrew,
Speaker 2: which you just pointed out Michael Cohen paid her, and yes,
Speaker 2: very keen observation that he just came out and admitted it.
Speaker 2: What he didn't say is what he paid her for.
Speaker 2: So while that might not have been illegal, but certainly
Speaker 2: it's something that the American body politics should be reminded of.
Speaker 2: Because our attention span for such things is very short,
Speaker 2: and because there's been fifty eleven trials and updates and
Speaker 2: minutia e today on his legal troubles, people have a
Speaker 2: tendency to forget what this was actually all about. We
Speaker 2: can just reduce it to the hush money trial, but
Speaker 2: let's remember the actual details of it. I have to
Speaker 2: say what discussed me. To be honest, we have not
Speaker 2: learned our lesson. And I look at cable news and
Speaker 2: the anchors and the executives salivating and tripping over themselves
Speaker 2: to carry this wall to wall coverage. It's like, yes,
Speaker 2: we have our new you know, courtroom drama that we
Speaker 2: can you know, blanket our coverage with. And I do yes,
Speaker 2: and it's like we get to have our cable ratings
Speaker 2: boon again. We can have all these you know, people
Speaker 2: tune into the breaking news banner constantly, and just this
Speaker 2: week alone, and most people unfortunately do not consume papers.
Speaker 2: So just this week alone, I think of all the
Speaker 2: news that was not reported, that was overlooked. We're on
Speaker 2: the brink of, I dare say, perhaps another Third World war,
Speaker 2: and we don't get to deep dive and dissect those
Speaker 2: issues because we're looking at the reality TV show. Former
Speaker 2: president turn our media industry and are electorate into another
Speaker 2: reality TV show. So I just get really tired and
Speaker 2: kind of checked out when I see it. I know
Speaker 2: it's important, but when I look at it, it's huge
Speaker 2: history time.
Speaker 3: I just think the president things. You know, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: first time a former president has ever been charged like
Speaker 3: charged criminally is a big deal.
Speaker 2: Completely. I just don't think it should be twenty four hours, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we got the update, this whole thing, we.
Speaker 3: Can move on to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Also, I mean I think part of it is, uh,
Speaker 1: Tiffany is I think we we oftentimes move very quickly
Speaker 1: past things that are you know, that are in my opinion,
Speaker 1: considered important. And I do think it will weigh on
Speaker 1: some people if this man is found guilty, because it
Speaker 1: changes it's just right, right, He's been able to escape
Speaker 1: all the way through this thing any real responsibility culpability
Speaker 1: for what he does. And I'm wondering, really with bated breath,
Speaker 1: whether or not the Supreme Court is about to allow
Speaker 1: him to skate on something. Frankly, that would be yes
Speaker 1: precedent setting, but I think would up end a lot
Speaker 1: of people's faith and the Supreme Court and in our
Speaker 1: quote unquote system of justice and accountability. And what I'm
Speaker 1: referring to is the fact that there is a case
Speaker 1: that was argued before the Supreme court this week around
Speaker 1: whether or not two of the four charges that were
Speaker 1: bought by Jack Smith, the special prosecutor here against Trump,
Speaker 1: are likely to be dropped or not. And because we've
Speaker 1: got a how do I say, incredible attorney right here,
Speaker 1: as one of our co hosts, Angela, I love if
Speaker 1: you could take a minute just to break down into
Speaker 1: dissectible and understandable ways what the implications are from this
Speaker 1: week's oral arguments. And obviously it's later decision which will
Speaker 1: come from the court we believe in a month or so.
Speaker 3: Okay, So, this particular case is Fisher versus United States,
Speaker 3: and in this case, what is at issue is Section
Speaker 3: fifteen twelve of Chapter eighteen of the United States Code.
Speaker 3: And here they are basing their entire argument, they being
Speaker 3: Fisher's side, their entire argument over this particular clause. Whoever
Speaker 3: corruptly alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or
Speaker 3: other object, or attempts to do so with the intent
Speaker 3: to impair the object's integrity or availability for use in
Speaker 3: an official preceding or And they go into other examples
Speaker 3: of obstruction. Fisher's lawyer is trying to argue that this
Speaker 3: statute is supposed to be about documents. However, if you
Speaker 3: go down and notice I said or in law school
Speaker 3: you learn a difference between an and or or there
Speaker 3: are other places where you learn a difference between a
Speaker 3: and or I don't know, first, second, third, fourth grade. Right,
Speaker 3: So there's a or here. It says or otherwise obstructs, influences,
Speaker 3: or impedes any official preceding, or attempts to do so. Right.
Speaker 3: So that second part, that two, and not the one,
Speaker 3: but the two is what is at issue here with
Speaker 3: all of the folks who went to Capitol Hill at
Speaker 3: the behest of Donald Trump and his senior advisors to
Speaker 3: try to stop the still as they called it. The
Speaker 3: still was the election, them certifying the election in Congress,
Speaker 3: which is an official proceeding, which is absolutely obstruction. It's
Speaker 3: obstruction of justice, is an obstruction of an official proceeding.
Speaker 3: And they said, say, they also are arguing corruptly, Well,
Speaker 3: can they argue corruptly? Yes? Because Donald Trump, who was
Speaker 3: the leader of this movement, was trying to get folks
Speaker 3: to go to Capitol Hill to stop the still. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what he was trying to do. Still. So
Speaker 3: that's what is is what is at issue here? And
Speaker 3: what you saw the justice mostly arguing about is what
Speaker 3: happens when you are on the outside of this statute,
Speaker 3: when the when you're really close to those parameters, and
Speaker 3: you can you all can start to imagine if this
Speaker 3: case was for something else, something that we were in
Speaker 3: favor of, if we were concerned, you know, that something
Speaker 3: else was going on, that they were about to pass
Speaker 3: a law in Congress that was going to be super
Speaker 3: harmful for us, and we're protesting it, which is going
Speaker 3: to get us to our next case tiff. What happens?
Speaker 3: What are the parameters there? So? How far are they
Speaker 3: going to go here? And it's really unclear where they're
Speaker 3: going to land because there were arguments and questions from
Speaker 3: the more progressive justices as well as the super conservative ones.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they're gonna land here. Is very fascinating.
Speaker 3: Might be real frustrated if this dude escapes culpability yet again.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question. So one when you say
Speaker 2: US code, I was just asking this when you say
Speaker 2: the laws on the books, that's not the constitution, that
Speaker 2: is federal law.
Speaker 3: Yes, So the Congress has the responsibility of passing laws.
Speaker 3: Those things become United States code when the president signs
Speaker 3: them into a right. We have criminal statutes, that's what
Speaker 3: this is. We also have civil statutes, things like the
Speaker 3: Cares Act, which we are familiar with. The Care Act
Speaker 3: is something that is is code, but it is not
Speaker 3: criminal code. This is criminal code.
Speaker 2: So then two questions. The trial in New York that
Speaker 2: is a criminal case, were Donald Trump to be found guilty,
Speaker 2: what could he potentially be facing?
Speaker 3: Well that I think was it thirty four or forty
Speaker 3: indictments just in that one case?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty four, Yeah, indictments something, and that that also
Speaker 1: is a state case and not a federal right.
Speaker 2: I get it, I guess, I'm just My real question,
Speaker 2: to be honest, is is there any scenario on which
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be sentenced to some sort of jail.
Speaker 1: Four years in prison potentially, okay, four years?
Speaker 2: And so should this president thirty four can be convicted,
Speaker 2: is there a realistic chance that he will walk into
Speaker 2: prison with secret service and everything while running for president
Speaker 2: and serve or will this case likely advance to the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court at some point? The criminal case, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: Alvin Braggs, no, because it's not.
Speaker 3: Likely yes, But there are instances where state cases find
Speaker 3: their way to the Supreme Court. It is when there
Speaker 3: is a constitutional issue in question, even at the crux
Speaker 3: of this particular statue, they're arguing the language in that statue.
Speaker 3: But also what is an issue here is right to protest,
Speaker 3: right to as symbol, which is exactly what happened in
Speaker 3: Deray mckesson's case that the Supreme Court decided not to hear. So, Tif,
Speaker 3: I know you had something on that, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Tip before you before you do that. Just wrapping this
Speaker 1: piece the case that is right now being argued before
Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court. The biggest impact we think can
Speaker 1: come from it is it could upend both the trials
Speaker 1: in Georgia as well as the trial in Miami because
Speaker 1: both those cases, one deals with Trump's handling obviously of
Speaker 1: classifying information and the other dealing with his actions in
Speaker 1: Georgia to technically interfere with with this legislative process. So
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna keep watching this. But the oral arguments,
Speaker 1: if you want to hear them, maybe we'll be able
Speaker 1: to try and post them somewhere on our account. But
Speaker 1: I know Tiff on the on the Deray peace, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got.
Speaker 3: A still cy Andrew. Just for clarification too, on this
Speaker 3: last point you just raised. I think the bigger concern
Speaker 3: is the presidential immunity piece, which they are deciding in
Speaker 3: Junior or July, that that is really what could pend
Speaker 3: those other cases. This is the the I guess you
Speaker 3: could argue the obstruction related to the tampering of votes
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, for or Georgia for sure, but I think
Speaker 3: really everything gets upset if they end up saying.
Speaker 1: If they decide he can't be as president.
Speaker 3: Can't be prosecuted.
Speaker 2: But you know, I have to say on that case,
Speaker 2: as a lay person hearing some of the defense argument,
Speaker 2: it is it's worth the conversation to have because I
Speaker 2: get the point. It's like, well, if this president orders
Speaker 2: the military to engage in, you know, an assassination of
Speaker 2: someone that they're taking out, can they then later be prosecuted.
Speaker 2: I think these do get into legal waters that we've
Speaker 2: you know, never before really swam in. But that's what
Speaker 2: happens when uh never before had right, I was going
Speaker 2: to say, that's what happens when you elect a clown
Speaker 2: to the highest office of the land. You turn our
Speaker 2: country into a Circus and we're seeing that happen right now.
Speaker 2: But you've brought up the point about Supreme work bar
Speaker 2: that d Ray McKesson. So the Supreme Court refused, I
Speaker 2: want to be clear, the Supreme Court refused to hear
Speaker 2: this case, so it got kicked back down to the
Speaker 2: lower court, the Fifth Circuit Court. Angelill correct me please
Speaker 2: if I say anything wrong legally. So I just want
Speaker 2: to really quickly try to say what is at issue here.
Speaker 2: So in twenty sixteen, d Ray McKesson, you guys know
Speaker 2: d Ray McKesson and the blue vest and activist. He
Speaker 2: was helping or was invited to organize or help participate
Speaker 2: in a protest near police headquarters in Baton Ruge. This
Speaker 2: was after police there shot Alton Sterling, a thirty seven
Speaker 2: year old black man. They'd already immobilized him, pinned him
Speaker 2: to the ground, but shot him six times, murdering him.
Speaker 2: And during that protest, we don't know who. During that protest,
Speaker 2: someone threw a rock and injured severely injured a police officer.
Speaker 2: The police officer then to deray or deray rather, I
Speaker 2: keep saying Deray like the comedian Deray. And I want
Speaker 2: you all to hear directly from Deray what exactly happened
Speaker 2: that evening from his perspective, take a listen.
Speaker 7: So in November twenty sixteen, there was the police killed
Speaker 7: Alton Sterling and they killed another man and it was
Speaker 7: a big uproar in the country and the bat riage
Speaker 7: organized us and like can you come down? I was
Speaker 7: like yeah, and I'm in bad Ruge for like I
Speaker 7: don't know fifteen hours. Like I wasn't in bad Ruge
Speaker 7: a lot. I like literally landed. We met with some people,
Speaker 7: and then I went to sleep because I was exhausted.
Speaker 7: Wake up and then we go out and it's sort
Speaker 7: of like, you know, we blocked them this big highway.
Speaker 7: The police were like on ten thousand. It was just
Speaker 7: like a whole thing. And the police at one point
Speaker 7: were like get out of the street, and I'm like cool,
Speaker 7: I just started this job. I was achieving him in
Speaker 7: the capitol for the school system. I told the superintendent
Speaker 7: I wouldn't get in, like I'd sort of like lay low,
Speaker 7: let me get out of street. So I videotaped him.
Speaker 7: He's I got out of the street. I showed like the
Speaker 7: line where like the street is. I'm like, I'm out
Speaker 7: the street cool, and the next thing I know, people
Speaker 7: are running. So I get caught in like this Russia
Speaker 7: people running. I fall that a big deal. I go
Speaker 7: to get up and I can't get up, and I'm
Speaker 7: like dag. I'm like really, I'm like pinned down in
Speaker 7: a sup of people. And I realized that the reason
Speaker 7: I can't get up is actually the police are holding
Speaker 7: the like pressing my shoulders down.
Speaker 1: Not good.
Speaker 2: So then I throw my phone.
Speaker 7: I didn't even know what I was thinking. I'd throw
Speaker 7: my phone because I don't want the police to get
Speaker 7: my phone.
Speaker 2: So I throw the phone, hoping.
Speaker 7: My friends get it, and then I'm in custody for
Speaker 7: like the next sixteen seventeen hours. So that started it.
Speaker 7: But you know, it was one of those things where
Speaker 7: like the police, a police officer said that night that
Speaker 7: he got hit by a rock and that I was
Speaker 7: the cause of him getting hit by rock.
Speaker 2: So why this is interesting and I wanted you out
Speaker 2: to hear directly from deray, is because this is a
Speaker 2: First Amendment issue. This is the right to gather in protests.
Speaker 2: So Ellie Massog does a great piece on this in
Speaker 2: the nation. I encourage you all to listen to it.
Speaker 2: But essentially anybody can show up to a protest, wreak havoc, disappear,
Speaker 2: and then ruin the protest. We saw during the unrest
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty a lot of people who didn't look
Speaker 2: like us coming into our neighborhoods, giving young black youth
Speaker 2: bricks to throw, inciting, encouraging violence. And so it's really
Speaker 2: interesting to see what will happen that the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: decided not to take up this case, which was essentially,
Speaker 2: I think making a statement that will impact how we
Speaker 2: all protests. And it comes down to, yes, you have
Speaker 2: the right to assemble and protest under the First Amendment,
Speaker 2: unless you are black. Now, when you look at what
Speaker 2: happened on January sixth, this is exactly what happened. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump incited a riot, he encouraged people to go, and
Speaker 2: certainly those police officers were injured by people he encouraged.
Speaker 2: So people like Harry Does who's now running for Congress,
Speaker 2: he was an assaulted. Can he now sue Donald Trump. Well,
Speaker 2: according to the law, he cannot because what Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is being accused of, I think there is obstruction of Congress,
Speaker 2: not negligently inciting a riot. What I ask is the difference.
Speaker 2: So I think this is an interesting case and I
Speaker 2: just thought the parallels between the two were quite striking.
Speaker 2: But be sure to read Elie Mastaal's piece in the
Speaker 2: Nation because he does a great job.
Speaker 3: Thinking while the other difference, sorry, go ahead. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 3: other difference is protesting another brutal police killing is not
Speaker 3: inciting a riot. It might be riot worthy, but it's
Speaker 3: not inciting a riot. It is a protest. It is
Speaker 3: the right to assemble. I think what's interesting here is
Speaker 3: they're also they didn't they to be super clear. The
Speaker 3: Supreme Court decided not to hear this case. They remanded
Speaker 3: it back to the Fifth Circuit. The Fifth Circuit said
Speaker 3: already that the police officer can sue deray because while
Speaker 3: the right to assemble and the right to protest are
Speaker 3: constitutionally protected, and whether or not you get sued for
Speaker 3: what happens on the other side of that, whether you
Speaker 3: can still be sued for a tort, it's something entirely different.
Speaker 3: I think you'll be vindicated overall and probably win the
Speaker 3: civil suit. But this is this is it is worth
Speaker 3: a discussion, and certainly see the hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: Who decide negligent of them all negligent protests. You know,
Speaker 1: you got people like the governor of my state and
Speaker 1: many others that are outlawing protests against law enforcement or
Speaker 1: outlawing protests on issues that they consider to be quote
Speaker 1: woke issues. Now, I think as these things are pushed
Speaker 1: through the law on the other side, that hopefully right
Speaker 1: will win out. But but I'll just say, regardless of
Speaker 1: the outcome and what happens in Deray's case and those
Speaker 1: that are similar to it, let's not mistake what this is.
Speaker 1: This is a shot over the bow. This is a
Speaker 1: if you want to try us, let me tell you
Speaker 1: to the fullest extent of the law, all the parameters
Speaker 1: and what's allowed, we can take this thing. So, if
Speaker 1: you Angela Rie, Tiffanycross, Andrew Gillim want to use your
Speaker 1: platform to promote I don't know, a rally in Baltimore
Speaker 1: in defense of the former state attorney, and something goes
Speaker 1: left for the law enforcement officers, who by the way,
Speaker 1: sit at the epicenter of the issue regarding Marilyn Moseby,
Speaker 1: that we can all of a sudden decide that we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna come for you and we're gonna use
Speaker 1: the instruments of the law to do so.
Speaker 6: So I.
Speaker 1: Think this is hugely problematic and we shouldn't understate what
Speaker 1: this is intended to do. It's intended to have us
Speaker 1: tremble before we ever decide to step out in this
Speaker 1: way or any other against the powers that be. I
Speaker 1: wish I wish brother Deray best as he moves forward.
Speaker 1: Y'all want to take a quick break to pay some bills,
Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll talk the power of
Speaker 1: the minority.
Speaker 8: Despite all the lofty rhetoric of democracy, when our political
Speaker 8: institutions were set up in the seventeen eighties, they actually
Speaker 8: were set up to benefit, in large part, a propertied
Speaker 8: white male minority, a very affluent white male minority, of
Speaker 8: many of whom were slaveholders, and in fact the public
Speaker 8: were largely excluded from choosing the country's leaders, and far
Speaker 8: from encouraging majority rule, the founding institutions of our country
Speaker 8: facilitated minority rule instead.
Speaker 1: So that was Ari Berman, a journalist and author talking
Speaker 1: about this idea of minority rule. Already touched on it.
Speaker 1: But we want to know, really, what are the primary
Speaker 1: strategies that conservative white male minority in this country has
Speaker 1: used and is using to enact policies and laws that
Speaker 1: most of us frankly don't want. And if the majority
Speaker 1: of us had the opportunity to vote, we wouldn't put
Speaker 1: it on the books through a citizen vote. But what
Speaker 1: he touches on, and I know it's touched on by
Speaker 1: many other authors as well, is whether or not this
Speaker 1: country is frankly truly acting as a democracy.
Speaker 3: It's such a good and worthy conversation, you know. I
Speaker 3: thought about some examples while Ari was speaking. I thought
Speaker 3: about the filibuster in the Senate, the fact that a
Speaker 3: simple majority isn't enough to pass legislation. I thought about
Speaker 3: the electoral college. When folks often talk about us being
Speaker 3: three fifths of a human being, it's because that's what
Speaker 3: our slaveholders would could be. They were designated three fifths
Speaker 3: of a vote based on our personhood, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: one vote, one person, one vote. I also think about
Speaker 3: authors like you just mentioned before, the Mayflower, Laron Bennett
Speaker 3: sixteen nineteen Project, Nicole Hannah Jones, Black af History, our
Speaker 3: good brother and friend, Michael Harriet. All these people are
Speaker 3: our family, by the way, And I just think that
Speaker 3: we often don't give credit to the fact that we
Speaker 3: know what we poured into this country, literally our blood shed.
Speaker 3: Crispus addicts, right in the Revolutionary War, we know what
Speaker 3: we built, and yet we still don't have because there
Speaker 3: were It was always designed to be for a select few.
Speaker 3: I hate the concept of founding fathers because founding fathers
Speaker 3: in and of itself is very exclusionary. It is a
Speaker 3: small group of men that came together, white men, that
Speaker 3: came together and said, how can we reenact the thing
Speaker 3: that we tried to escape ourselves? And then how can
Speaker 3: we put ourselves in power and make sure that that
Speaker 3: power stays in the hands of a select few? And
Speaker 3: then as time went on, they continued to morph this thing,
Speaker 3: to evolve this thing, to say, and how can we
Speaker 3: get people who look like us, who don't have what
Speaker 3: we have, but will be in position mentally to keep
Speaker 3: us with a little bit of power because they know
Speaker 3: that there's something to aspire to. They can dream to
Speaker 3: our status, even though they'll never reach it because this
Speaker 3: is not for them. But if we can convince them
Speaker 3: that they're better than everybody else who they're similarly situated with,
Speaker 3: we are going to continue to keep this power in
Speaker 3: the hands and select you. That is I think why
Speaker 3: Donald Trump appeals to them in that way. It is
Speaker 3: he is the American dream to these white folks that
Speaker 3: are carved into the side of a mountain. They also
Speaker 3: don't own and just colonize. So there's all of that.
Speaker 3: And when I think about what democracy really is, we've
Speaker 3: talked about it on this show a gazillion times. I
Speaker 3: also think about the fact that we've never really had
Speaker 3: what we rightfully deserve. It's never really been one person,
Speaker 3: one vote. It's been one person, one fight for the
Speaker 3: vote that you may or may not get. It has
Speaker 3: been You're gonna have to fight to secure legislation and
Speaker 3: rights just to survive in this country. Don't even worry
Speaker 3: about thriving yet. Sis like, there are so many barriers
Speaker 3: that exist to our true free existence and liberation in
Speaker 3: this country. And it was built that way by design.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the way I think that's a great
Speaker 2: historical perspective and a wrinkle in time it creates because
Speaker 2: when you look at how it plays out today and
Speaker 2: you consider the changing demographics of the country, we're going
Speaker 2: to see that increasingly. So look, we're getting closer to
Speaker 2: the point where there will not be a racial majority
Speaker 2: in this country. And yet this very small population of
Speaker 2: people have a stronghold the Congress last year or one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen, Congress, because it was such gridlock, only
Speaker 2: passed thirty one bills, I believe, making it the least
Speaker 2: effect of Congress since the Great Depression, to put that
Speaker 2: in perspective, So it's a lot of things that get
Speaker 2: left on the table. As of January of this year,
Speaker 2: Republicans control twenty eight or twenty nine, twenty eight state
Speaker 2: legislators state legislatures. Democrats control twenty one. And Andrew, you've
Speaker 2: made the point so many times that people say the
Speaker 2: Republican Party in Donald Trump as though they are two
Speaker 2: separate things. They've merged into one. So when you consider
Speaker 2: that these maga right wing zealot extremists are controlling most
Speaker 2: of the state legislatures, where a lot of this shitty
Speaker 2: policy bubbles up to federal policy that should concern us all.
Speaker 2: They are out of step with the American people by
Speaker 2: and large. They're out of step with the American people
Speaker 2: when it comes to reproductive health. They're out of step
Speaker 2: with the American people when it comes to gun laws.
Speaker 2: They're out of step with the American people when it
Speaker 2: comes to racial divide, They're out of step with the
Speaker 2: American people. When it comes to criminal justice reform. They're
Speaker 2: out of step with the American people when it comes
Speaker 2: to climate change. So I don't know what to do
Speaker 2: about it, you know. I mean, obviously we keep saying voting, voting, voting, voting,
Speaker 2: But I'm a little concerned because I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: at some point this country is fractured, and the civil
Speaker 2: war doesn't start with the first, you know, the blow
Speaker 2: that's struck. The civil war starts long before that. And
Speaker 2: so that's why I say. Some people say that's dangerous,
Speaker 2: language is hyperbolic. I don't think so. I think right
Speaker 2: now we are seeing this country fracture, and not only
Speaker 2: is it threatening our livelihood here, it is threatening our
Speaker 2: place and global diplomacy as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you rightly tossed in some
Speaker 1: ways to what happens in these states, even when we
Speaker 1: get out of whack with where the people are. And
Speaker 1: mind you, y'all, I'm not an extremist by any stretch,
Speaker 1: and I get why it is that you want common
Speaker 1: sense showing up on the playing field. For instance, if
Speaker 1: Brown v. Board of Education had been put to a
Speaker 1: popular vote at the time, my guess is the majority
Speaker 1: of voting Americans at the time would not have reverse
Speaker 1: right plus v ferguson right. And so we have Supreme courts.
Speaker 1: But what Ari and so many others, Michael Herriott and
Speaker 1: Nicolhanna Jones, many of those who are keepers of record,
Speaker 1: our grios, if you will, are saying, is these institutions
Speaker 1: were established as way by design, and they're only effectuating.
Speaker 1: They're only doing what they're designed to do. The fact
Speaker 1: that every single state, regardless of population, has two US Senators,
Speaker 1: and the majority of those little small states get to
Speaker 1: decide he sits on the Supreme Court. The fact that
Speaker 1: when I told students that their direct vote on election
Speaker 1: day didn't equal electing a president, they were baffled that
Speaker 1: because we're a democracy, yes, when I go vote, I
Speaker 1: elected president. Said nah, there's another special meeting that's going
Speaker 1: to happen in December here at the state Capitol where
Speaker 1: the electors for the state of Florida are going to come.
Speaker 1: It's very little talked about, very little rigamarocas.
Speaker 8: It's just following.
Speaker 1: Process somebody's going to go into that room, one hundred
Speaker 1: so odd of them, and they're going to vote on
Speaker 1: electoral votes that will then be sent to Congress. It's
Speaker 1: important we understand this, y'all, because a lot of us
Speaker 1: don't realize that there is some distance between us and
Speaker 1: direct democracy. And here are some of the ways in
Speaker 1: which it plays out in our states. I want you
Speaker 1: ought to hear it directly. We'll go first to Tennessee,
Speaker 1: where we see a bill that bans the study. Hear
Speaker 1: me a bill that bans the study of reparations. Let's
Speaker 1: sear the sound.
Speaker 9: The bill is sponsored by Republican Representative John Reagan of
Speaker 9: Nashville and Memphis Senator Brent Taylor of Memphis. Before the
Speaker 9: Senate approved the bill, Taylor pointed to Shelby County approving
Speaker 9: five million dollars to study reparations.
Speaker 5: So we know this is a very divisive issue, and
Speaker 5: it's an important issue for many people in our communities.
Speaker 5: It's an important issue in my community, But mister speaker,
Speaker 5: it's an issue that cannot be resolved at the local level.
Speaker 6: No one is alive today who was either a slave
Speaker 6: or a slaveholder in the timeframe that slavery was legal
Speaker 6: in this country. If there were to be a reparations program,
Speaker 6: the question becomes from whom are these reparations taken? And
Speaker 6: to whom are these reparations paid?
Speaker 1: Aid y'all, I mean we could, we could go on
Speaker 1: and on on that sound, but I will I will
Speaker 1: say it's important to call out Tennessee Reverend Earl Fisher.
Speaker 1: I think Angela, you know Earl Reverend Fisher rather personally,
Speaker 1: who has been on the advocacy side here and has
Speaker 1: been collecting signatures to a position basically telling them the
Speaker 1: legislature to step back, step back, Angela, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this?
Speaker 3: My thoughts are I don't have a whole lot of
Speaker 3: hope in the Tennessee State legislature. I just would take
Speaker 3: y'all back two episodes right, like, this is the same
Speaker 3: legislature that is trying to prevent paying Tennessee State University
Speaker 3: what they what they are, what they're owed that is
Speaker 3: modern reparations. And there are people who are alive who
Speaker 3: had everything to do with that name even trying to
Speaker 3: pay that. So I'm not confused about why they don't
Speaker 3: want to study. But here's what we also know. They
Speaker 3: don't want to study so much that they're taking history
Speaker 3: books out of class rooms. They don't want us to
Speaker 3: learn this for free or for pay. They don't want
Speaker 3: us to learn by their taxpayer dollars or our taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 3: There's no surprise here and again to the point, to
Speaker 3: the point of Tiffany's book, TI. If you want to
Speaker 3: shout out your book.
Speaker 2: Say it louder, Black voters, white narratives and saving our
Speaker 2: Democracy available everywhere books are soldiects say it, what's louder?
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 3: People in the bed louder say it like yeah, Hi,
Speaker 3: I'm just playing. But here's the thing we have to acknowledge.
Speaker 3: What is the elephant in the room? No pun intended.
Speaker 3: Republicans like, we know exactly what you're doing. It is
Speaker 3: by design. It is at every level. It is at
Speaker 3: the level of a school board, It is at the
Speaker 3: state legislature. It is trying to be back in the
Speaker 3: White House, It is in the halls of Congress. They
Speaker 3: just took out the d Office of Congress. What do
Speaker 3: we expect. Of course, they're not trying to go backwards
Speaker 3: and look at what they owe us and what was
Speaker 3: done wrong and what is owed to a people that
Speaker 3: have given everything to this country. They don't want to
Speaker 3: give us what we deserve today. There's no surprises here.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about a wage gap, there's a
Speaker 3: wage gap, and I'm trying to pay what they owe
Speaker 3: us and paychecks today. Of course they're not trying to
Speaker 3: look at what went wrong back in the day. Now,
Speaker 3: Reverend ear Oh, you know that that does not mean
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna support the petition. I have posted it
Speaker 3: twice on my stories. I'm gonna stand with you, good brother,
Speaker 3: But I ain't got a lot of hope. Folks got
Speaker 3: to go to the polls. And it's hard to get
Speaker 3: folks to go to the polls when we're talking about
Speaker 3: democracy and the ways, in the many ways in which
Speaker 3: our votes have been suppressed, not counted, and tried to
Speaker 3: be taken over by Donald Trump and Kanye West publicists.
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, Angela, I mean, and if
Speaker 1: you evoke this earlier on in your comments around the
Speaker 1: emphasis on local, but maybe we aren't down your street
Speaker 1: yet because we're talking about reparations. We're gonna move here
Speaker 1: now to reproductive rights and see if we get any
Speaker 1: closer to your street. What's in common here, y'all. You
Speaker 1: heard it from the senator there. It's not a local
Speaker 1: issue to decide reparations. So when they don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with it, all right, they want to punt to
Speaker 1: the federal. But when it gets down to reproductive health,
Speaker 1: which was federally decided.
Speaker 3: But either you do know state, the states paid slaveholders
Speaker 3: reparations too, and not slave not slaves. Slaveholder states pay that.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying to the brothers or whatever he is.
Speaker 3: They's saying that anyway.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but we all see it for what it is. Correct,
Speaker 1: This volleying back and forth between what is federal and
Speaker 1: what is state at your convenience. So let's hear now
Speaker 1: where they stand on who's responsible for women's reproductive health.
Speaker 1: Certainly I'll go ahead and not bury the lead. It
Speaker 1: ain't the woman herself. Let's hear the sound how about that.
Speaker 10: Here's in a Supreme Court rule that prosecutors can enforce
Speaker 10: a anti abortion law dating to eighteen sixty four. It
Speaker 10: is a complete ban on nearly all abortions. It can
Speaker 10: only be performed to save the life of the mother.
Speaker 10: There's no exemptions for rape incest. Trump appointed three Supreme
Speaker 10: Court justices. He remade the court during his tenure, moved
Speaker 10: it decisively to the right, and paved the way for
Speaker 10: the Dobs decision in twenty twenty two that ended the
Speaker 10: constitutional national right to an abortion and return the issue
Speaker 10: allowed states to come up with their own laws, like
Speaker 10: the one in Arizona.
Speaker 1: So this is where we are, folks. The two and
Speaker 1: twenty four sitting Supreme Court in Arizona just gave way
Speaker 1: toss back to a Civil rights era law that existed
Speaker 1: on the books that basically prohibited any abortion except in
Speaker 1: cases of the life of the mother. So which way
Speaker 1: is it going to be? Is it states rights? Is
Speaker 1: it a federal rights? Y'all please please understand that these
Speaker 1: things are obviously being chosen at their convenience, which is
Speaker 1: more important, which is less. But the argument is still fundamental,
Speaker 1: which is who in the world gets to decide for
Speaker 1: the majority of us what issues stand for the day.
Speaker 1: We've had two presidents in the twentieth century so far
Speaker 1: who were both elected sworn in without achieving the national
Speaker 1: popular vote. Yeah, Arizona is now a swing state and
Speaker 1: has been thrown back to before the Civil War was settled,
Speaker 1: Before the Civil War was.
Speaker 3: Ended before Juneteenth for US, Before enslaved people in Texas
Speaker 3: were notified of their freedom right June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five,
Speaker 3: this law was on the books in eighteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: They said, let's harken back to what we know. You
Speaker 3: know what this is also called, y'all know it make
Speaker 3: America great again. That's what they mean. Everything before nineteen fifty,
Speaker 3: that's what they mean.
Speaker 1: If you follow, well, you are part of the press
Speaker 1: and still are our resident press expert, media news expert.
Speaker 1: How do people reconcile What's happened in Arizona with Trump's
Speaker 1: decision and his appointments to the Supreme Court make it
Speaker 1: makes sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is where I think from the judiciary
Speaker 2: branch of government. I don't think that the left in
Speaker 2: particular focuses as much because there are so many other
Speaker 2: issues under attack. But this is precisely what happens. I
Speaker 2: think during Donald Trump's reign in office, we focus a
Speaker 2: lot on the Supreme Court. We don't focus as much
Speaker 2: on the lower courts. During Donald Trump's reign in office,
Speaker 2: he appointed over two hundred judges to lifetime appointments, predominantly
Speaker 2: white men, and many of whom were completely inexperience for
Speaker 2: the jobs. Some of these people had never even been
Speaker 2: on the bench before they were attorneys. Right now we
Speaker 2: have an actual handmaiden on the court, Amy Cony Barrett
Speaker 2: was a literal handmaid. You can look it up and
Speaker 2: google it if you don't believe me. But even when
Speaker 2: you look at these folks, I mean, we all remember
Speaker 2: what happened with the justice, the frat boy whose I
Speaker 2: like beer Kavanaugh. When we saw his testimony, we could never,
Speaker 2: would never. And then when you look at what they're
Speaker 2: upholding at the federal level of government. So I think
Speaker 2: it's a lot of consequences. And again, this is an
Speaker 2: example of what you call my anority rule, Andrew. This
Speaker 2: is a tiny amount of people enacting laws and policies
Speaker 2: that run contrary to our interests. And I think the
Speaker 2: question is what do we do about it? How do
Speaker 2: we stop it? And a lot of this, unfortunately in
Speaker 2: our lifetimes we may not see. But I think a
Speaker 2: lot of this has to be reimagining the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: And people talked about expanding the Supreme Court, yes, but
Speaker 2: also just reimagining democracy. That might be a good Evergreen
Speaker 2: Andrew just reimagining a democracy that serves us.
Speaker 3: This is one thing I just want to say here
Speaker 3: really quick. One key point is the very thing that
Speaker 3: you started with on the state level, which was this
Speaker 3: study of reparations, is the very thing that puts the
Speaker 3: minority in position to rule forever. That is financing. They
Speaker 3: have been able to pay their way to play at
Speaker 3: every single level. It is by design. We talked about
Speaker 3: Projects twenty twenty five. If y'all haven't watched that episode
Speaker 3: or listen to that episode, run that thing back because
Speaker 3: it has everything to do with what's happening now. Minority
Speaker 3: rule through lifetime judicial appointments, Minority rule through being able
Speaker 3: to buy your way into elected office at every single level.
Speaker 3: Minority rule through burrowing into career but level positions on
Speaker 3: the state, local, and federal level, government paid positions that
Speaker 3: y'all's tax period dollars are paying for. That is how
Speaker 3: the minority continues to rule through strategy, through money, and
Speaker 3: by occupying all of those seats. That is how so
Speaker 3: if we don't take that over through our act, our
Speaker 3: Jesus activism is all I'm trying to get out of
Speaker 3: my mouth. If we don't take it over, that way.
Speaker 3: I don't know that we can outpace them from a
Speaker 3: funding perspective. We fight to get our folks to see, hey,
Speaker 3: this America first legal thing that Steven Miller is doing,
Speaker 3: the stuff that Ed Bloom is doing, we need our
Speaker 3: own version of that. Not to counter those attacks, but
Speaker 3: to have some proactive attacks. We will not be able
Speaker 3: to win on a lot of those cases because minority
Speaker 3: rule has found itself into lifetime appointments in the judicial branch.
Speaker 3: We have to start planning for these things in a
Speaker 3: lot more strategic way, and it's very difficult to do
Speaker 3: when all we're trying to do is live when we
Speaker 3: interact with the police officer, and when all we're trying
Speaker 3: to do is make sure that we can make ends meet,
Speaker 3: when our wages aren't the same as everyone else. When
Speaker 3: all we're trying to do is make sure that on
Speaker 3: the other side of a rape situation or an incest
Speaker 3: or or a mistake one bad night, people aren't stuck
Speaker 3: with a lifetime of a decision. Because whatever anyway I'm down.
Speaker 1: The essentially I know you're going in there. It's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I would love for us to
Speaker 1: hear a listener question right after this break that hits
Speaker 1: a little bit on those themes, except in a way
Speaker 1: that I think you probably you probably wouldn't guess.
Speaker 11: A Native lampod. My name is Diallo. I'm based in Raleigh,
Speaker 11: North Carolina. I'm twenty three years old. My question is,
Speaker 11: is I feel like there's an elephant in the room,
Speaker 11: especially being in the South, that even though a large
Speaker 11: majority of black religious voters I subscribe to Christianity vote Democratic.
Speaker 11: We also hold conservative and traditional values, but there seems
Speaker 11: to be the Democratic Party not like a really planned
Speaker 11: and robust way to reach the black religious voter. And
Speaker 11: I think it can just be frustrating because anytime we
Speaker 11: talk about faith, we're kind of lumped in with white evangelicalism,
Speaker 11: even when it comes two different views. Even such things
Speaker 11: as abortion. I think black people we have more of
Speaker 11: a moderate view of abortion that is not necessarily aligning
Speaker 11: with the Democratic Party and not necessarily aligning with the
Speaker 11: Republican Party. So what do you guys think that we
Speaker 11: can do to address this address these types of voters.
Speaker 11: Have you guys seen this?
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Dayalla.
Speaker 2: What do you think Tim, I think he's saying a
Speaker 2: lot of aoint making a very poignant point that is
Speaker 2: often lost on both parties. And we've said this here
Speaker 2: a lot. We are not a homogenous group of people.
Speaker 2: We're not a homogeneous voting block. We have varying different
Speaker 2: socioeconomic backgrounds that drive our interest here. I think it's
Speaker 2: so unfortunate because where our commonality is, can we just live?
Speaker 2: Can you stop shooting us? Can you allow us the
Speaker 2: freedom to breathe and thrive and take care of our
Speaker 2: children and pay our mortgage and all the things that
Speaker 2: the rest of mostly white America gets to do. When
Speaker 2: it comes to the conservative part of the black vote,
Speaker 2: I think the media narrative has gotten a completely wrong,
Speaker 2: suggesting that there's this drove of black men voting for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I don't think that's true. I think there
Speaker 2: are people who go to church every Sunday who probably
Speaker 2: don't believe in gender some of the same loving gender
Speaker 2: policies out there. I have a challenge with that. I
Speaker 2: don't believe in that, and I don't support that kind
Speaker 2: of discrimination. But certainly there are black folks who feel
Speaker 2: that way. There's certainly a high pocket of black folks
Speaker 2: who don't support marijuana legislation. I've seen a whole lot
Speaker 2: of preachers in the pulpit talk about you know why
Speaker 2: you want to support a law at a dulo mind
Speaker 2: and make you think things. I think these things are
Speaker 2: out of step with society, and I think that they
Speaker 2: are out of step with the way most of America goes.
Speaker 2: But there are people in my own family feel some
Speaker 2: of these things. So I'm happy to get the question
Speaker 2: because I think it shows that there is a wide
Speaker 2: swath of people. The Democratic Party has to be a
Speaker 2: big tent of folks and punctuates the point that we
Speaker 2: have to have more than a two party system. I
Speaker 2: would hope that this man can continue to vote in
Speaker 2: the interests of the greater good. That's where we as
Speaker 2: black folks, don't have the privilege to say I like
Speaker 2: this person they speak directly to me. We have to
Speaker 2: always think community. I might not agree with every single
Speaker 2: thing this person says, but in the interests of my community,
Speaker 2: I'm going to vote in this particular party or for
Speaker 2: this particular candidate.
Speaker 1: That's real. That's real and really, ladies, in the spirit
Speaker 1: of community. We all know and have been acknowledging this
Speaker 1: past week Black Maternal Health Week, our mothers. We've got
Speaker 1: to care for our mamas and those who are aspiring
Speaker 1: in that way. And we all know the numbers are
Speaker 1: staggering when it comes to infant mortality, Black infant mortality, mortality,
Speaker 1: and Black maternal health. Angel I know this is an
Speaker 1: issue that's also very very close to you. Building upon
Speaker 1: this theme of us caring after all of those in
Speaker 1: our community, what would be the charge as we close
Speaker 1: out this acknowledgment, this recognition of Black maternal health and
Speaker 1: infant mortality.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the most important thing is that
Speaker 3: people understand the disparities that exist. Oftentimes, when folks are
Speaker 3: fighting the ghost of racism that they think does not exist,
Speaker 3: they fail to take data into consideration. So if Black
Speaker 3: women are dying in childbirth three times at a rate
Speaker 3: three times higher than white women, I think that speaks volumes.
Speaker 3: I know we have a clip from doctor Cleopatra Campervine
Speaker 3: who speaks about the prejudice brain and why it's so
Speaker 3: important to care about black maternal health.
Speaker 12: My brain is prejudiced, and your brain is prejudice, and
Speaker 12: this prejudice accounts for the up to eighty percent of
Speaker 12: maternal deaths that are preventable I'm doctor Cleopatra fertility scientists,
Speaker 12: and I want to show you how our brains use
Speaker 12: mental shortcuts called schemas to quickly process information. This allowed
Speaker 12: our ancestors to survive, but today it divides us into
Speaker 12: us versus them, and when they become less human in
Speaker 12: the eyes of us, it leads directly to the tragedy
Speaker 12: of lives lost, of mothers who could have been saved,
Speaker 12: mothers like my own mother, who I lost at birth.
Speaker 12: I know it's tough to hear, and I promise you
Speaker 12: it's even tougher to live. That's why we need urgent
Speaker 12: systems in place that actively counter the human brain's natural
Speaker 12: tendency toward prejudice and bias. Our color me mommy toolkit,
Speaker 12: the mom Nebus built. These are not just initiatives, they
Speaker 12: are actual lifelines.
Speaker 3: She raises some really good points, and I know we
Speaker 3: also have a question on this issue.
Speaker 13: Hey, hello Native Land Pod. My name's Olivia Attlee. I'm
Speaker 13: from glambas, Ohio. I'm a full spectrum doula and a
Speaker 13: mama of two. My question for you all is, as
Speaker 13: we know, the awful state of maternal and infant mortality
Speaker 13: in our country, especially as it pertains to black and
Speaker 13: brown individuals. I'm wanting to know y'all's opinion and advice
Speaker 13: on how we keep the very important agenda in front
Speaker 13: of our legislators to improve these rates in a way
Speaker 13: that is fresh and relevant so that they won't forget
Speaker 13: it and they won't think that it's no longer a
Speaker 13: problem or an issue.
Speaker 3: Just wanting some.
Speaker 13: More advice on how we continue to push this agenda
Speaker 13: full what else can and should we be doing.
Speaker 3: Thank you, you know, I think about the work that
Speaker 3: Kamala was engaging in as a senator, and now many
Speaker 3: others continue that work, including Congresswoman Lauren Underwood and so
Speaker 3: many other black women. Shout out to the CBC women.
Speaker 3: There's a Black Maternal Health Momnibus Act that works to
Speaker 3: create conditions conducive to safe birthing experiences. A lot of
Speaker 3: times when black women are talking about any pain they're experiencing,
Speaker 3: they're not believed, and that is how many of these
Speaker 3: deaths occur. Just simple belief. If someone is telling you
Speaker 3: they're in pain or something doesn't feel right. This woman
Speaker 3: has lived in her body her whole life. You should
Speaker 3: probably listen to her. So this bill as well as
Speaker 3: many others, works to protect Black women and their birthing
Speaker 3: experiences shouldn't be traumatic. It should be the most joyful
Speaker 3: time of their lives. I know, I'm working to become
Speaker 3: a mom. The fertility journey's been a brutal one for me.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you the truth. I'm like, okay, after
Speaker 3: we can get an embryo made and it implants, and
Speaker 3: I just hope that I can have a safe birth.
Speaker 3: A dear friend of ours, Stephanie Young, recently gave birth
Speaker 3: to a beautiful baby. And even hearing about some of
Speaker 3: Steph's complications, you know, you hit forty and the things
Speaker 3: just it gets really challenging. Thank god she has a
Speaker 3: healthy baby. Thank god she's healthy. But all along the
Speaker 3: journey there are different things. They just hit us differently.
Speaker 3: So we need to be made aware and shout out
Speaker 3: to all of the folks who work so diligently to
Speaker 3: create Black Maternal Health Week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, even not dealing with you know,
Speaker 1: pregnancies in advanced age or what is considered more advanced
Speaker 1: higher risk age, you have the issues of women who
Speaker 1: report pain while still in the hospital or immediately after release.
Speaker 1: And you have doctors who chalk it up to, Oh,
Speaker 1: she just wants to prescribe to a painkiller, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, take some toallet On, It'll be okay. And
Speaker 1: days later if that the woman perishes and nobody has
Speaker 1: as inexplicable reason as to why have had it happened
Speaker 1: to classmates, to friends, to others, kids who have been
Speaker 1: orphaned while their mothers lay, you know, practically on the
Speaker 1: delivery table. So the our need to give voice to
Speaker 1: this is important and I appreciate you lifting this up.
Speaker 1: As we close out Black Maternal Health Week. This out
Speaker 1: of be a topic that's three sixty five, So y'all
Speaker 1: keep the conversation going and speaking of women and their value.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be out of tune by making
Speaker 1: this connection. But when we talk about what is being
Speaker 1: paid offered women for their work, it doesn't just happen
Speaker 1: in corporate places. It's not just happening in chains. It's
Speaker 1: happening in some of the most high profile environments that
Speaker 1: you and I know, the w n B A let's
Speaker 1: hear from w NBA star Kelsey Plumb, who explains how
Speaker 1: the NBA and the w NBA players are paid so differentferently,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 14: We talk about the CBA, right, so the collected and
Speaker 14: Bargaining agreement, and in the NBA they have percentages of
Speaker 14: revenue shared for the players, right, So Jersey sales obviously
Speaker 14: their TV contracts, you see these every year, these contracts
Speaker 14: get bigger and bigger and bigger, right, yeah, massive, But
Speaker 14: that's because their CBA negotiates where the you know, if
Speaker 14: the owners are making certain types of money, they get
Speaker 14: that as well. In the WNBA that's not the case.
Speaker 14: So in twenty twenty five, that's our new you know,
Speaker 14: opportunity to renegotiate or opt out. So there are definitely
Speaker 14: future opportunities coming. But I will say that it's one
Speaker 14: of those things that we are not asking to get
Speaker 14: paid what the men get paid. We're asking to get
Speaker 14: paid the same percentage of revenue shared.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I'm saying. So that's a huge misconception.
Speaker 2: That's a huge missiness for.
Speaker 8: Sure, because every video is like, oh, this person can
Speaker 8: pay this this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So I want to be really clear about that, Like
Speaker 14: I don't think I should get paid the same as
Speaker 14: Lebron right, but the percentage of revenue like for example,
Speaker 14: they sell my jersey in Midla BA. I don't get
Speaker 14: a dime, you don't.
Speaker 1: Get need money from Jersey sales shots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is one Tiff. I know you're
Speaker 3: a resident sports expert, but I saw you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm a wait, thank you because you guys like a
Speaker 2: couple of my toes when it comes to sports, and
Speaker 2: you know that's my thing. So if I may have
Speaker 2: the floor for a second, Kelsey plumb, I don't want
Speaker 2: to outshine anybody, so I'll let Angela tell us who
Speaker 2: she plays for. But she is an amazing w NBA star.
Speaker 2: And I thought this was such a poignant point because
Speaker 2: I get so tired of hearing the men talk about
Speaker 2: you know, well they don't make as much money, or
Speaker 2: not even just the men, but people make the point
Speaker 2: that they don't make as much money as the men,
Speaker 2: so why should they get paid. I love how she
Speaker 2: broke this down. It is all about collective bargaining, the
Speaker 2: collective bargaining agreement the CBA. This is a union issue.
Speaker 2: They the w NBA has a players association, just like
Speaker 2: the NBA does. Somebody who goes to the bargaining table
Speaker 2: and set these contracts. As we know, Caitlin Clark at
Speaker 2: no point in her contract will make six figures. Now,
Speaker 2: her endorsements will carry her over. She'll be fine. But
Speaker 2: that's one player, Angel Recent That's one player. There are
Speaker 2: hundreds of players in the w NBA who will never
Speaker 2: make that much money. I have to say too, even
Speaker 2: though I completely support Kelsey Plump's point, the other challenge
Speaker 2: I will make is to consumers viewers, women in particular,
Speaker 2: I'm calling on you watch the w NBA. Get into it. I,
Speaker 2: despite being a sports expert, don't always watch every single game.
Speaker 2: And I've been into it. We Angel our group chat,
Speaker 2: we are in it. We were watching the draft. We
Speaker 2: were talking about what people were wearing, who was going
Speaker 2: to what team. It was so exciting. Watching the playoffs
Speaker 2: at the college level was so exciting for me. And
Speaker 2: I have to say I think any made this point too.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like the women's sports arm of
Speaker 2: this is a lot more interesting in the than the
Speaker 2: w n b A. I look at the coaches on
Speaker 2: the sideline watching Don Staley coach. I mean that is
Speaker 2: watching magic. I'm getting so excited watching it. Women watch
Speaker 2: the watch the sports more excited than the w n
Speaker 2: b A. I just wanted to fix it. What did
Speaker 2: I say? You said the w NBA, that's still women.
Speaker 2: I just think, why get so excited we talk about
Speaker 2: sports because I'm so passionate about this subject. So I
Speaker 2: may have missed spoke, but really, if you if you
Speaker 2: want to see these women make more money, one thing
Speaker 2: you can do is watch the WNBA. And I personally
Speaker 2: am looking for a team. And I said, wherever angel
Speaker 2: Reese went to play will be my team. And she's
Speaker 2: going to Chicago, so that might be my team. I'm
Speaker 2: not fully committed yet, but that might be my team.
Speaker 2: They tuned.
Speaker 3: I think they should draft you, Kiff.
Speaker 2: I honestly would love to do some sort of commentary,
Speaker 2: color commentary, the tout, whatever I need to do. I
Speaker 2: want to be a part of it. I would like
Speaker 2: to be a part of it.
Speaker 3: Oh, she doesn't want to play, Andrew shit, I know, right.
Speaker 3: Here's here's the one thing that I was going to say,
Speaker 3: and it goes right to the heart of what Tiff
Speaker 3: was saying around consumers. I know she hasn't a weed
Speaker 3: as vegan shirt, but we're not quite at that consumption
Speaker 3: piece yet. We're just talking about consuming the sport. What
Speaker 3: I think we also need to understand is the importance
Speaker 3: of ticket sales. People need to go to the games them.
Speaker 3: Don't be like, oh, these salaries are such a shame.
Speaker 3: But you know that you're buying Lamello sneak, but you
Speaker 3: ain't never picked up a Stewey sneaker, Like what are
Speaker 3: we even talking about? So I think that you got
Speaker 3: to understand the role that we also play in this.
Speaker 3: We go to the polls, we also got to go
Speaker 3: to the courts and go to the courts for the girls.
Speaker 3: To tips point, I was making the argument and the
Speaker 3: numbers reflect the same. The Final four NCAA Final four
Speaker 3: championship for the women outpace the men. So let's just
Speaker 3: be very it really. Yeah, it's amazing more viewers because
Speaker 3: it was a it was anyway, it was a way
Speaker 3: more exciting game. And I also think that we have
Speaker 3: to understand that that has to translate over to the
Speaker 3: w NBA. I love the folks talking about salaries. It
Speaker 3: is not an issue that we know, again that's exclusive
Speaker 3: to the w NBA. We have pay disparities across the board,
Speaker 3: but this is one where we could really run the
Speaker 3: court on no pun intention to ensure that that.
Speaker 2: Can I ask the quick question? This is to Angela.
Speaker 2: Are the Machetes our group chat? What game are we
Speaker 2: going to? What game should we go to?
Speaker 3: Can I tell I'm biased because you know I don't
Speaker 3: have my sonics anymore in Seattle. So Andrew, you're also invited.
Speaker 3: You can be honorary Machete. We got some guys and
Speaker 3: it's honorary Machete. The thing that I would say is,
Speaker 3: I would love to go to the Seattle Storm. We
Speaker 3: have a black coach, she is incredible. We have Uhka's
Speaker 3: now on the team. We got Skylar on the team.
Speaker 3: We lost Steuwie, but we have a we have a
Speaker 3: good bench, and Sue Byrd of course is retired. But
Speaker 3: I think this is going to be a like a.
Speaker 2: Premiere game though, like the season.
Speaker 1: If you're their friend, if you're there, it's.
Speaker 3: A premier Thank you and no sorry. Noel Quinn is
Speaker 3: who I'm talking about. I love Noel. She is incredible.
Speaker 3: Uh she's the coach of the Seattle Storm. So y'all
Speaker 3: are always welcome to support my team. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get seasoned takes.
Speaker 2: I just want to go and I want to be
Speaker 2: courtsied like the season opener, premiere game, and cheer on
Speaker 2: the premier if you're there windows the season.
Speaker 1: But all the points are well well made in the comments.
Speaker 2: Tell me when the May start May fourteenth.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: Yeah bad Andrews.
Speaker 1: Look, I just want to make sure we get it
Speaker 1: all in. And speaking of getting it in, after this
Speaker 1: commercial break, have a quick little highlight to celebrate the
Speaker 1: one and only four twenty not FAU twenty.
Speaker 3: Note of this group needs help, We'll.
Speaker 1: Be right back. As we considered the state of play
Speaker 1: on this four twenty, this approaching for twenty, I didn't
Speaker 1: get the memo for, you know, broadcasting my position on this.
Speaker 1: When I was running for governor, I was for full
Speaker 1: recreational and medical legalization thumbs up. But my friend over here, Tiff,
Speaker 1: came fully prepared. But before all right, toss it over
Speaker 1: to you, Tip, and you just want to acknowledge that
Speaker 1: and the time the ways we have come, if you will.
Speaker 1: I threw a map up on the screen here which
Speaker 1: just shows that the overwhelming majority of states have already
Speaker 1: legalized some form of medicinal use of marijuana. And for
Speaker 1: those who get it confused and think you gotta clutch
Speaker 1: your pearls. When we mentioned this, I got a couple
Speaker 1: of aunties and uncles and stuff who are on the
Speaker 1: gummies that help them sleep and rest. So don't judge
Speaker 1: too quickly because we don't know what's in your medicine
Speaker 1: box yet. Then they're right outstanding. Part of this is
Speaker 1: not necessarily the medical or the recreational catching up, but
Speaker 1: really the federal government catching up with states with states
Speaker 1: and what they are already doing to reduce the stigma
Speaker 1: around medical marijuana. Now, Tiff, I think your shirt applies
Speaker 1: whether we're talking about medicinally or recreationally. But tell us
Speaker 1: where do you stay?
Speaker 2: Well, this may shock you, but I am pro legalization
Speaker 2: of marijuana. Listen on Saturday exactly if you're watching this
Speaker 2: on this Saturday, happy for twenty to you. Saturday is
Speaker 2: the day that weed smokers unite, I would say, in
Speaker 2: one big puff puff pass communion. But before you celebrate
Speaker 2: that sticky ichy, I think it's important that you know,
Speaker 2: take a climback to win. And we were alive during
Speaker 2: this time that these Mary Jane exchanges were confined to
Speaker 2: street corners, or you had your your dude so to speak,
Speaker 2: on speed dial. But now just as the Andrew pointed
Speaker 2: out that most of the country has legalized the drug.
Speaker 2: It's a multi billion dollar industry. So while some of
Speaker 2: us are certainly enjoying one kind of green, there's a
Speaker 2: whole other group of people pocketing another kind of green.
Speaker 2: And what's worse is marijuana laws still devastated communities. They
Speaker 2: still put are ensnared a bunch of black people into
Speaker 2: a very unforgiving criminal justic system, which we talked about
Speaker 2: on this show. According to the a c o U,
Speaker 2: marijuana arrests wants accounted for over half the drug arrest
Speaker 2: in this country. So think about that. And while people
Speaker 2: are still building wealth, there are people who are still
Speaker 2: in jail today because of laws having to do with marijuana.
Speaker 2: So if you want to sell we legally today, which
Speaker 2: I think is a really big issue in the black community.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Andre Iguadala, Out Harrington and other people
Speaker 2: out there who are trying to get into the dispensary game.
Speaker 2: But you need a license to sell. That can cost
Speaker 2: you up to one hundred and twenty thousand dollars if
Speaker 2: not more. Now go in legal fees, insurance, rental fees,
Speaker 2: marketing taxes, and your costs can literally balloon into the
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. And with the wealth gap, I don't
Speaker 2: have to tell you guys about that, Black folks are
Speaker 2: far less likely to get loans to support this kind
Speaker 2: of business. So in some regards we are left out
Speaker 2: of the rotation. There are some programs intending to address this,
Speaker 2: but they have a long way to go. So, as
Speaker 2: you're doing your puff puff pass, however you're celebrating four
Speaker 2: to twenty, before you roll up those backwoods, just put
Speaker 2: a lot more thought and energy out. Invite you into
Speaker 2: the kind of green you can pocket, not just the
Speaker 2: kind of green you can inhale.
Speaker 1: All right, co hosts, we're at the point of our
Speaker 1: calls to actions. What what's the altar call this week?
Speaker 2: I like the altar call call.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be sacriligious, so.
Speaker 2: Can we say and not everybody goes to church. We
Speaker 2: have plenty of people who listen who don't go to church.
Speaker 1: The altar of the pod, but I'm safe. What you got, Angela?
Speaker 1: What you thinking this week? First?
Speaker 3: You know, I like where Tiff was in this section.
Speaker 3: We talked about supporting women's sports. So join us as
Speaker 3: we all go to a season opener. I think this
Speaker 3: is a good challenge. Tif hopefully we all can get
Speaker 3: to Seattle on May fourteenth. If not, find one in
Speaker 3: your hometown or near a hometown, go support these incredible
Speaker 3: women hooping, like running circles around some of these dudes
Speaker 3: out here. So that is gonna be my call to action.
Speaker 3: Support the w n B. A don't just post about it,
Speaker 3: don't just complain about it. Go buy a ticket about it.
Speaker 2: I love that, and tell us in the comments, which team,
Speaker 2: which opener we should go to, what team we should
Speaker 2: be supporting. I'm curious to hear from you guys as
Speaker 2: I navigate my journey into the w n B action. No,
Speaker 2: I was just echoing my assister Angela, because we need
Speaker 2: input from the group at large to see where we're
Speaker 2: gonna which game we're gonna go to. My qual action
Speaker 2: is I know you are, but I mean for our
Speaker 2: whole group to go together. I'm down to go to Seattle,
Speaker 2: but I want to see where everybody else has said.
Speaker 2: My call to action this week it's a very niche
Speaker 2: so I apologize for the people this doesn't apply to.
Speaker 2: It's a call to action and a shout out. I
Speaker 2: want We've shouted out to Nicole Hannah Jones a few
Speaker 2: times on this episode, but I want to shout her
Speaker 2: out again. I attended an event that she did last
Speaker 2: night at Howard University with her journalism students. There were
Speaker 2: probably two three hundred people there, and her students love
Speaker 2: her like everyone in the I think the Comms apartment
Speaker 2: who are learning from her. And it made me think,
Speaker 2: because I get so much outreach from students when I
Speaker 2: meet people when I'm out. I just did an event
Speaker 2: at the gathering spot shout out to the gathering spot
Speaker 2: by the way where I broadcast from. I did an
Speaker 2: event at the gathering Spot in Atlanta, and so many
Speaker 2: people will come up to me and say, I want
Speaker 2: to do what you do. I want to be a journalist.
Speaker 2: And when I start asking those questions, what papers do
Speaker 2: you read every day? What niche are you interested in?
Speaker 2: Who are some of your favorite bylines? They can't answer.
Speaker 2: So my heart was full last night watching these students
Speaker 2: really study the craft, really understand what it is to
Speaker 2: be a journalist, understanding she's teaching them about sourcing, about
Speaker 2: fact finding, about reporting. I think some people conflate that
Speaker 2: a lot of you guys out there who ask me
Speaker 2: what you know that you want to do?
Speaker 7: What I do?
Speaker 2: You think it's about going on TV giving your opinion,
Speaker 2: and that's not it. I don't care about your opinion.
Speaker 2: Maybe some people do, but mostly I don't care. Why
Speaker 2: if you haven't Angelo worked on Capitol Hill. It was
Speaker 2: a strategist, Andrew was a politician. Like, these were jobs
Speaker 2: and careers that that people have, and so you know
Speaker 2: you have to kind of earn that place to give
Speaker 2: your opinion. Journalism is reporting, it's fact finding, it's news gathering.
Speaker 2: So if that is a career that you want to pursue,
Speaker 2: young people, I beg you take it seriously. Get into
Speaker 2: a great JA school, learn how to do it as
Speaker 2: an art to sharing information, to fact finding to a
Speaker 2: fact checking learn it, understand it, study it, take it seriously,
Speaker 2: and then enter the profession and honor it as it
Speaker 2: should be because it has such credo in the black
Speaker 2: community about bearing witness and coming back and reporting what
Speaker 2: you've uncovered.
Speaker 1: I feel that you remind me of like one of
Speaker 1: my PD professional development teachers who would always just call
Speaker 1: us a higher service, higher delivery. If you want to
Speaker 1: do this, there's some things you got to get in
Speaker 1: place before you get there. Yeah, I feel that. I
Speaker 1: often share that when I'm talking to folks about running
Speaker 1: for office. Look, what do you care about, what motivates you,
Speaker 1: what gives you that you know, fire and the abillity
Speaker 1: to go get it done well? My CTA, y'all one
Speaker 1: join me in finding a constructive way to celebrate four twenty.
Speaker 1: It will be my first time trying to do that
Speaker 1: in real form. And then I want to reiterate a
Speaker 1: CTA that was I think issued last week or the
Speaker 1: week before. I would love, love, love to keep hearing
Speaker 1: from you all about the kinds of ads you want
Speaker 1: to hear in the political season. I think it's just
Speaker 1: so Angela Rift real strong on, I thought was an
Speaker 1: ideal ad from someone putting you know, their circumstance centerfold
Speaker 1: and then letting that power through commercial speak for themselves.
Speaker 1: Put at the epicenter of the issue of I don't know,
Speaker 1: black inclusion, the folks who have been left out. I
Speaker 1: gave the example of my kids who never had a
Speaker 1: black teacher, and so it mattered to see a black
Speaker 1: person in the front of the classroom. I just saw
Speaker 1: the cast of a different world getting their roses while
Speaker 1: they're here. If I could tell them myself, I would
Speaker 1: say they are the reason I went to college. I
Speaker 1: tried to go to Hillman, but I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was fake. I learned that in the process of sending
Speaker 1: my SAT scores out and I couldn't find the code
Speaker 1: for heal Men, so it didn't go to Hillman. But
Speaker 1: whatever that might be, that thing that brings you in,
Speaker 1: that reels you in, that story that you hear that says, man,
Speaker 1: they are walking down my street, keep sharing those with
Speaker 1: us because you don't know who we know. It might
Speaker 1: end up in an ad somewhere. You may end up
Speaker 1: in an add somewhere. So keep giving us those ideas
Speaker 1: that you think might be good to move, motivate and
Speaker 1: inspire you to get to the polls. And before we
Speaker 1: wrap this episode, y'all, we can't leave without asking.
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