WEBVTT - Weed the People 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.440 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:10.600 with Recent Choice Media. Welcome Home, y'all. This is episode 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:15.000 fifteen of Native Land Pod, where we give you all 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.200 of our political takes on everything politics and culture and 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:26.720 a quick and easy digestible breakdown. We are your co 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:31.280 host Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and I am Andrew Gillim. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.479 What's going on, Tiff and Rye? How are you on 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:35.280 your part of the count? 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.239 Come home, y'all. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:37.240 Welcome home. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.400 I gotta say I don't like it because we're remote again, 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.080 and I feel like when we're together we have a 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.800 lot more fun. So it's like trying to hang out 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.400 with your people over a zoom call. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.000 I kind of think you've been having fun without us. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.000 Your shirt is speaking volumes. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.680 She telling on herself. It says weed is vegan for 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:05.640 those y'all can't say vegan. But we're lage reunited and 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.120 it is good. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:14.720 In this week's episode, Trump's second trial and I don't 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.560 know count them three sixty five is underway, but this 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.720 one is a criminal indictment being bought by New York 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:25.039 Prosecutor Alvin Bragg. The Stormy Daniels Hush money case and 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.400 trial rather started on Monday with jury selection. The former 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.600 president will beginning count them four free days of publicity 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.600 every week for as long as a trial lasts. Due 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:41.160 to his alleged propensity to what wrongdoing. Scotus also appears 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.679 to be wild. And if this week's oral arguments and 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.560 the obstruction of justice case are any indication of things 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.800 to come about, the insurrection and its protests lots to 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.480 get to on that. Then for this week's deep dive, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.040 we're going to get into minority rule, which happens when 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.680 the minority of the population controls the levels of government, 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.440 so that basically the rest of us, the majority, live 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.240 under the control of a small minority. Is this what 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.320 the Framers intendant? And is this the kind of democracy 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.800 we're living under? Also, it is Black Maternal Health Week. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.640 Black mothers face disproportionately high rates of maternal and infant 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.880 mortality and these are absolutely preventable deaths, which is why 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.040 it's so important that we talk about them. We all 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.080 know that politics are everywhere, and this week it is 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.720 all about women's salaries in sports. College basketball star Caitlin 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.160 Clark and some of our phase Angel Reese and Camilla Cardoza. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.800 We're just strafted into the WNBA and folks are surprised, 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:48.640 maybe horrified, even outraged at how much, or rather how 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:54.919 low women's salaries and sports still unfortunately are, and then 0:02:54.960 --> 0:03:00.960 commemorate along with my co host Tiffany Cross. We will 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:05.120 not blaze it up like we did last week. No, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.959 we didn't. No, I'm messing with you. I'm talking about 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.200 last year's episode. But we do want to ensure that 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.360 you know that politics of cannabis are indeed everywhere. Stick 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.720 around for some great questions and comments from our native 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:23.560 Lampod fam and of course our calls to actions from 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.840 each of the hosts. Stay tuned. Everybody is gonna be 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:32.840 a good one. Trump's trials continued this week. He's facing 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.440 charges in New York for hush money payments that he 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.200 made during the twenty sixteen election cycle to adult film 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.400 stars Stormy Daniels. It's the first time in US history 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.840 that a former president is being tried on criminal charges. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.600 Jury selection began on Monday, and the case that's expected, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.280 I don't know, disrupt. Maybe some might argue help Trump 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.760 during this presidential contest, as he is going to be 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.560 on trial at least we believe for the next month 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.960 or two. Now, y'all, I understand yesterday, or rather earlier 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:11.680 this week, seven jurors were chosen to serve as part 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.000 of the official trial. They were sworn in. They make 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.960 up only four men, three women. Among them are two lawyers. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.520 There are eleven more jurors to be selected. Thirty four 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.200 counts of falsifying business records altogether is what is involved 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.800 in this trial. And as I said, jury selection did 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.520 begin earlier this weekend. It's expected to be over by 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.839 the end of this week early next week, with statements 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.680 for opening beginning on Monday. Now, y'all, Trump could not 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:48.360 help himself. We heard earlier in the selection he was 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.600 batting his eyes, maybe giving them a little bit of 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.159 a rests throughout the process. But we know he was 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.320 alive and in effect during the break. This is what 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.320 he had to say when he was able to step 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:00.200 out of the courtroom. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:05.280 If you look at Jonathan Jerremy, Andy mcgarthy, all ran 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.479 legal scholars, there's no one that we've been able to 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.599 find that said this should be a trial. I called 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.920 a I was paying a lawyer and marked it down 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:21.160 as a legal expense. Some account I should know marked 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.680 it down as a legal expense. That's exactly what it was. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:26.279 And you've been. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:27.080 Indicted over that. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.920 I was paying a lawyer and some accountant marked it 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.080 down as a legal expense. Did I hear it at mission? 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:36.400 Y'all? 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:37.119 What do you think? 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.240 I think that I want to shout out the first 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:46.359 black DA in Manhattan, Alvin Bragg, who was following in 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:54.279 the successful footsteps of the dynamic Tiss James, indeed the 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.480 second black attorney to be able to go after Donald Trump. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.560 And and it's no wonder they are so afraid, as 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.120 our good sister Joy said of DEI, because DEI is 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.240 coming for this dude. I also think it's important to 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.880 note that this is you said it in the Rundown Andrews. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.800 It's Donald Trump's first of several criminal trials, this one, 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.479 of course, in New York. A lot of this could 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.000 get put on hold based on what we talk about 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.120 next in the Supreme Court, what they end up deciding 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.000 in that presidential immunity case. A lot of this could 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.760 end up being of no consequence when we get to 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.080 where they land in June or July, when those decisions 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:36.839 come out in summer. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.800 No, that's right. I just thought it was odd. I 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.279 don't know if you for those who are listening to 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.719 the audio and were looking at it, as Donald Trump says, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:53.000 I was talking to a lawyer, and I paid a lawyer. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.719 In some accountant wrote it down as a legal expense. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.040 His lawyers begin to look at each other in the 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:03.040 back and they sort of start to confer, and I'm like, man, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.200 this guy has gotta be making your job that much harder. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.400 But for him to admit I paid, I paid this 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:15.200 guy my lawyer. And of course the allegation here is 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:22.440 that he paid his lawyer to pay Stormy Daniels to endorsement. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:23.880 Trying to figure that out. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.840 Yeah, Michael, correct, But because he didn't name check him, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.880 he just said I paid a lawyer, and it was 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.880 later then noted as such. But he pays, he pays Cohen, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.760 reimburses co in an amount. They mark it down as 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.440 a business expense, and that's exactly what is in the 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.160 crosshairs here that you cannot write it down as an 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.679 expense for business if it is in fact a payment 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.960 for a bride or to solence someone's harsh money. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.360 Thirty four felony counts of falsifying business records to hide 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.480 reimbursement payments to former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.080 Well, can I just say I think it's for Had 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.960 I had time, I definitely would have pulled some soun 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.400 from Stormy Daniels because I think it's important to remind 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.760 people what happened exactly that evening. Stormy Daniels was twenty 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.960 seven years old at the time Donald Trump was sixty. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.040 It was a really compelling interview that Anderson Cooper did. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.280 Solid journalist and a great journalist interview he did with 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.960 her because he allowed her to tell her story. A 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.040 twenty seven year old woman had gone to his room. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.880 She was an adult film star. She's very clear this 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.960 was not a me too situation. She had gone to 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.760 the bathroom and when she came out, he was on 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.400 the bed propositioning her, and she just looked like Bloch. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:35.480 She said, you know, this was not something that she 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.920 wanted to do. Milanya had just given birth to their son, 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.880 just like maybe two or three months prior. He was 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.400 offering her, asking her would she be willing to be 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.960 a contestant on The Apprentice. Stormy Daniels is an adult 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.640 film star. She is no fool. She actually ran for Senate. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.640 I want to say in twenty eighteen. She's been a 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.360 well known adult film star but also has dabbled in 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.360 politics and has been very well aware. This sixty year 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.880 old man, before he was president, when he was having 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.000 sex with her, did not wear a condom with her. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.240 So I think these things are important to note for 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:18.160 this quote unquote conservative right wing self described pro life 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.440 party that they are uplifting. This is your president. So 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.679 outside of whatever moral or ethical issues you have, I 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.600 am not here to make that judgment. I'm just putting 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.600 out the story. But aside from these moral ethical judgments 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.480 that people have, then you have the legal issue Andrew, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.000 which you just pointed out Michael Cohen paid her, and yes, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.920 very keen observation that he just came out and admitted it. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.480 What he didn't say is what he paid her for. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.760 So while that might not have been illegal, but certainly 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:51.079 it's something that the American body politics should be reminded of. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.280 Because our attention span for such things is very short, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.840 and because there's been fifty eleven trials and updates and 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.160 minutia e today on his legal troubles, people have a 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.599 tendency to forget what this was actually all about. We 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.680 can just reduce it to the hush money trial, but 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.200 let's remember the actual details of it. I have to 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.720 say what discussed me. To be honest, we have not 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.320 learned our lesson. And I look at cable news and 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.720 the anchors and the executives salivating and tripping over themselves 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.880 to carry this wall to wall coverage. It's like, yes, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.920 we have our new you know, courtroom drama that we 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:30.360 can you know, blanket our coverage with. And I do yes, 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.680 and it's like we get to have our cable ratings 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.040 boon again. We can have all these you know, people 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.640 tune into the breaking news banner constantly, and just this 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.040 week alone, and most people unfortunately do not consume papers. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.960 So just this week alone, I think of all the 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.320 news that was not reported, that was overlooked. We're on 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.640 the brink of, I dare say, perhaps another Third World war, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.440 and we don't get to deep dive and dissect those 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.320 issues because we're looking at the reality TV show. Former 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:03.080 president turn our media industry and are electorate into another 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.640 reality TV show. So I just get really tired and 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.720 kind of checked out when I see it. I know 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.520 it's important, but when I look at it, it's huge 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:12.920 history time. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.280 I just think the president things. You know, Yeah, the 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.760 first time a former president has ever been charged like 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:21.360 charged criminally is a big deal. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.120 Completely. I just don't think it should be twenty four hours, like, Okay, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.040 we got the update, this whole thing, we. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:28.760 Can move on to the Supreme Court. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:29.480 Yeah, okay. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.480 Also, I mean I think part of it is, uh, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.120 Tiffany is I think we we oftentimes move very quickly 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.720 past things that are you know, that are in my opinion, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.960 considered important. And I do think it will weigh on 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.760 some people if this man is found guilty, because it 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.440 changes it's just right, right, He's been able to escape 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.280 all the way through this thing any real responsibility culpability 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.560 for what he does. And I'm wondering, really with bated breath, 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.160 whether or not the Supreme Court is about to allow 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.760 him to skate on something. Frankly, that would be yes 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.080 precedent setting, but I think would up end a lot 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.679 of people's faith and the Supreme Court and in our 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.760 quote unquote system of justice and accountability. And what I'm 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.400 referring to is the fact that there is a case 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.000 that was argued before the Supreme court this week around 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:28.520 whether or not two of the four charges that were 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.760 bought by Jack Smith, the special prosecutor here against Trump, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.360 are likely to be dropped or not. And because we've 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:41.240 got a how do I say, incredible attorney right here, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.000 as one of our co hosts, Angela, I love if 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.080 you could take a minute just to break down into 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.360 dissectible and understandable ways what the implications are from this 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.240 week's oral arguments. And obviously it's later decision which will 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.640 come from the court we believe in a month or so. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:01.200 Okay, So, this particular case is Fisher versus United States, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.160 and in this case, what is at issue is Section 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.800 fifteen twelve of Chapter eighteen of the United States Code. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.040 And here they are basing their entire argument, they being 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.880 Fisher's side, their entire argument over this particular clause. Whoever 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:22.320 corruptly alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.760 other object, or attempts to do so with the intent 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.680 to impair the object's integrity or availability for use in 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:33.160 an official preceding or And they go into other examples 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.960 of obstruction. Fisher's lawyer is trying to argue that this 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.960 statute is supposed to be about documents. However, if you 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.319 go down and notice I said or in law school 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.320 you learn a difference between an and or or there 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.160 are other places where you learn a difference between a 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.160 and or I don't know, first, second, third, fourth grade. Right, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:57.120 So there's a or here. It says or otherwise obstructs, influences, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:02.400 or impedes any official preceding, or attempts to do so. Right. 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.480 So that second part, that two, and not the one, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.080 but the two is what is at issue here with 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.320 all of the folks who went to Capitol Hill at 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.360 the behest of Donald Trump and his senior advisors to 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.760 try to stop the still as they called it. The 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.080 still was the election, them certifying the election in Congress, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:26.080 which is an official proceeding, which is absolutely obstruction. It's 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:31.200 obstruction of justice, is an obstruction of an official proceeding. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.680 And they said, say, they also are arguing corruptly, Well, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.040 can they argue corruptly? Yes? Because Donald Trump, who was 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.120 the leader of this movement, was trying to get folks 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.800 to go to Capitol Hill to stop the still. Meanwhile, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.280 that's exactly what he was trying to do. Still. So 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.360 that's what is is what is at issue here? And 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.000 what you saw the justice mostly arguing about is what 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.880 happens when you are on the outside of this statute, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.600 when the when you're really close to those parameters, and 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.800 you can you all can start to imagine if this 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.600 case was for something else, something that we were in 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.720 favor of, if we were concerned, you know, that something 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.840 else was going on, that they were about to pass 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.280 a law in Congress that was going to be super 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.760 harmful for us, and we're protesting it, which is going 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.720 to get us to our next case tiff. What happens? 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.720 What are the parameters there? So? How far are they 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.920 going to go here? And it's really unclear where they're 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.000 going to land because there were arguments and questions from 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.240 the more progressive justices as well as the super conservative ones. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.920 I don't know where they're gonna land here. Is very fascinating. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.400 Might be real frustrated if this dude escapes culpability yet again. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.960 Okay, I have a question. So one when you say 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.680 US code, I was just asking this when you say 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.720 the laws on the books, that's not the constitution, that 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:46.360 is federal law. 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.920 Yes, So the Congress has the responsibility of passing laws. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.280 Those things become United States code when the president signs 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.840 them into a right. We have criminal statutes, that's what 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.360 this is. We also have civil statutes, things like the 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.720 Cares Act, which we are familiar with. The Care Act 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.320 is something that is is code, but it is not 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.400 criminal code. This is criminal code. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.920 So then two questions. The trial in New York that 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.000 is a criminal case, were Donald Trump to be found guilty, 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.240 what could he potentially be facing? 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.640 Well that I think was it thirty four or forty 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.320 indictments just in that one case? 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:32.160 Yeah, thirty four, Yeah, indictments something, and that that also 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.760 is a state case and not a federal right. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.240 I get it, I guess, I'm just My real question, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.400 to be honest, is is there any scenario on which 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.760 Donald Trump will be sentenced to some sort of jail. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.760 Four years in prison potentially, okay, four years? 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.160 And so should this president thirty four can be convicted, 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.400 is there a realistic chance that he will walk into 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.520 prison with secret service and everything while running for president 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.800 and serve or will this case likely advance to the 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.960 Supreme Court at some point? The criminal case, I'm sorry, 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.720 Alvin Braggs, no, because it's not. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:12.000 Likely yes, But there are instances where state cases find 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.520 their way to the Supreme Court. It is when there 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.719 is a constitutional issue in question, even at the crux 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:23.040 of this particular statue, they're arguing the language in that statue. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.680 But also what is an issue here is right to protest, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.480 right to as symbol, which is exactly what happened in 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:34.000 Deray mckesson's case that the Supreme Court decided not to hear. So, Tif, 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.360 I know you had something on that, yes, yeah. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.600 Tip before you before you do that. Just wrapping this 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.119 piece the case that is right now being argued before 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:47.000 the US Supreme Court. The biggest impact we think can 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.000 come from it is it could upend both the trials 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:54.080 in Georgia as well as the trial in Miami because 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:59.040 both those cases, one deals with Trump's handling obviously of 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.520 classifying information and the other dealing with his actions in 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:10.919 Georgia to technically interfere with with this legislative process. So 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.720 I think we're gonna keep watching this. But the oral arguments, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:14.919 if you want to hear them, maybe we'll be able 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:16.720 to try and post them somewhere on our account. But 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.600 I know Tiff on the on the Deray peace, Yeah, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:20.480 you've got. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.359 A still cy Andrew. Just for clarification too, on this 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.520 last point you just raised. I think the bigger concern 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.359 is the presidential immunity piece, which they are deciding in 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.640 Junior or July, that that is really what could pend 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.600 those other cases. This is the the I guess you 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:40.320 could argue the obstruction related to the tampering of votes 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.280 in Atlanta, for or Georgia for sure, but I think 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.880 really everything gets upset if they end up saying. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.760 If they decide he can't be as president. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:50.600 Can't be prosecuted. 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.359 But you know, I have to say on that case, 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.600 as a lay person hearing some of the defense argument, 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.080 it is it's worth the conversation to have because I 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.640 get the point. It's like, well, if this president orders 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.679 the military to engage in, you know, an assassination of 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.640 someone that they're taking out, can they then later be prosecuted. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.160 I think these do get into legal waters that we've 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.199 you know, never before really swam in. But that's what 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.399 happens when uh never before had right, I was going 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.840 to say, that's what happens when you elect a clown 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.840 to the highest office of the land. You turn our 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.440 country into a Circus and we're seeing that happen right now. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.680 But you've brought up the point about Supreme work bar 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.520 that d Ray McKesson. So the Supreme Court refused, I 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.400 want to be clear, the Supreme Court refused to hear 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.119 this case, so it got kicked back down to the 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.160 lower court, the Fifth Circuit Court. Angelill correct me please 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.040 if I say anything wrong legally. So I just want 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.560 to really quickly try to say what is at issue here. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.679 So in twenty sixteen, d Ray McKesson, you guys know 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.760 d Ray McKesson and the blue vest and activist. He 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:54.360 was helping or was invited to organize or help participate 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:59.159 in a protest near police headquarters in Baton Ruge. This 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.480 was after police there shot Alton Sterling, a thirty seven 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.520 year old black man. They'd already immobilized him, pinned him 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.080 to the ground, but shot him six times, murdering him. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.840 And during that protest, we don't know who. During that protest, 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:17.080 someone threw a rock and injured severely injured a police officer. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:23.199 The police officer then to deray or deray rather, I 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.640 keep saying Deray like the comedian Deray. And I want 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.119 you all to hear directly from Deray what exactly happened 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.160 that evening from his perspective, take a listen. 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.520 So in November twenty sixteen, there was the police killed 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:40.800 Alton Sterling and they killed another man and it was 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.480 a big uproar in the country and the bat riage 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.280 organized us and like can you come down? I was 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.760 like yeah, and I'm in bad Ruge for like I 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.640 don't know fifteen hours. Like I wasn't in bad Ruge 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.160 a lot. I like literally landed. We met with some people, 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.080 and then I went to sleep because I was exhausted. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.240 Wake up and then we go out and it's sort 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.439 of like, you know, we blocked them this big highway. 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.199 The police were like on ten thousand. It was just 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.520 like a whole thing. And the police at one point 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.040 were like get out of the street, and I'm like cool, 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:08.720 I just started this job. I was achieving him in 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.480 the capitol for the school system. I told the superintendent 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.840 I wouldn't get in, like I'd sort of like lay low, 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.560 let me get out of street. So I videotaped him. 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.280 He's I got out of the street. I showed like the 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.840 line where like the street is. I'm like, I'm out 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.280 the street cool, and the next thing I know, people 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.600 are running. So I get caught in like this Russia 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:27.800 people running. I fall that a big deal. I go 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:29.320 to get up and I can't get up, and I'm 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.000 like dag. I'm like really, I'm like pinned down in 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.040 a sup of people. And I realized that the reason 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:34.919 I can't get up is actually the police are holding 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.480 the like pressing my shoulders down. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:38.000 Not good. 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:39.879 So then I throw my phone. 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:41.280 I didn't even know what I was thinking. I'd throw 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:42.600 my phone because I don't want the police to get 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:43.040 my phone. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.080 So I throw the phone, hoping. 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.600 My friends get it, and then I'm in custody for 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.760 like the next sixteen seventeen hours. So that started it. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.960 But you know, it was one of those things where 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.480 like the police, a police officer said that night that 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.199 he got hit by a rock and that I was 0:21:58.240 --> 0:21:59.760 the cause of him getting hit by rock. 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:02.239 So why this is interesting and I wanted you out 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.439