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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media. Welcome Home, y'all. This is episode

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Speaker 1: fifteen of Native Land Pod, where we give you all

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Speaker 1: of our political takes on everything politics and culture and

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Speaker 1: a quick and easy digestible breakdown. We are your co

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Speaker 1: host Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and I am Andrew Gillim.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, Tiff and Rye? How are you on

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Speaker 1: your part of the count?

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Speaker 2: Come home, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Welcome home.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say I don't like it because we're remote again,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like when we're together we have a

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Speaker 2: lot more fun. So it's like trying to hang out

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Speaker 2: with your people over a zoom call.

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Speaker 1: I kind of think you've been having fun without us.

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Speaker 1: Your shirt is speaking volumes.

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Speaker 3: She telling on herself. It says weed is vegan for

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Speaker 3: those y'all can't say vegan. But we're lage reunited and

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Speaker 3: it is good.

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Speaker 1: In this week's episode, Trump's second trial and I don't

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Speaker 1: know count them three sixty five is underway, but this

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Speaker 1: one is a criminal indictment being bought by New York

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Alvin Bragg. The Stormy Daniels Hush money case and

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Speaker 1: trial rather started on Monday with jury selection. The former

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Speaker 1: president will beginning count them four free days of publicity

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Speaker 1: every week for as long as a trial lasts. Due

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Speaker 1: to his alleged propensity to what wrongdoing. Scotus also appears

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Speaker 1: to be wild. And if this week's oral arguments and

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Speaker 1: the obstruction of justice case are any indication of things

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Speaker 1: to come about, the insurrection and its protests lots to

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Speaker 1: get to on that. Then for this week's deep dive,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into minority rule, which happens when

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Speaker 1: the minority of the population controls the levels of government,

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Speaker 1: so that basically the rest of us, the majority, live

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Speaker 1: under the control of a small minority. Is this what

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Speaker 1: the Framers intendant? And is this the kind of democracy

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Speaker 1: we're living under? Also, it is Black Maternal Health Week.

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Speaker 1: Black mothers face disproportionately high rates of maternal and infant

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Speaker 1: mortality and these are absolutely preventable deaths, which is why

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Speaker 1: it's so important that we talk about them. We all

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Speaker 1: know that politics are everywhere, and this week it is

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Speaker 1: all about women's salaries in sports. College basketball star Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Clark and some of our phase Angel Reese and Camilla Cardoza.

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Speaker 1: We're just strafted into the WNBA and folks are surprised,

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Speaker 1: maybe horrified, even outraged at how much, or rather how

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Speaker 1: low women's salaries and sports still unfortunately are, and then

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Speaker 1: commemorate along with my co host Tiffany Cross. We will

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Speaker 1: not blaze it up like we did last week. No,

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Speaker 1: we didn't. No, I'm messing with you. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: last year's episode. But we do want to ensure that

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Speaker 1: you know that politics of cannabis are indeed everywhere. Stick

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Speaker 1: around for some great questions and comments from our native

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Speaker 1: Lampod fam and of course our calls to actions from

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Speaker 1: each of the hosts. Stay tuned. Everybody is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a good one. Trump's trials continued this week. He's facing

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Speaker 1: charges in New York for hush money payments that he

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Speaker 1: made during the twenty sixteen election cycle to adult film

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Speaker 1: stars Stormy Daniels. It's the first time in US history

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Speaker 1: that a former president is being tried on criminal charges.

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Speaker 1: Jury selection began on Monday, and the case that's expected,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, disrupt. Maybe some might argue help Trump

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Speaker 1: during this presidential contest, as he is going to be

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Speaker 1: on trial at least we believe for the next month

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Speaker 1: this week, seven jurors were chosen to serve as part

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Speaker 1: of the official trial. They were sworn in. They make

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Speaker 1: up only four men, three women. Among them are two lawyers.

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Speaker 1: There are eleven more jurors to be selected. Thirty four

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Speaker 1: counts of falsifying business records altogether is what is involved

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Speaker 1: in this trial. And as I said, jury selection did

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Speaker 1: the end of this week early next week, with statements

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Speaker 1: for opening beginning on Monday. Now, y'all, Trump could not

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Speaker 4: If you look at Jonathan Jerremy, Andy mcgarthy, all ran

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Speaker 4: legal scholars, there's no one that we've been able to

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Speaker 4: a I was paying a lawyer and marked it down

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Speaker 4: it down as a legal expense. That's exactly what it was.

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Speaker 3: And you've been.

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Speaker 5: Indicted over that.

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Speaker 1: I was paying a lawyer and some accountant marked it

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think that I want to shout out the first

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Speaker 3: black DA in Manhattan, Alvin Bragg, who was following in

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Speaker 3: the successful footsteps of the dynamic Tiss James, indeed the

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Speaker 3: second black attorney to be able to go after Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: And and it's no wonder they are so afraid, as

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Speaker 3: our good sister Joy said of DEI, because DEI is

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Speaker 3: coming for this dude. I also think it's important to

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Speaker 3: note that this is you said it in the Rundown Andrews.

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Speaker 3: It's Donald Trump's first of several criminal trials, this one,

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Speaker 3: of course, in New York. A lot of this could

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Speaker 3: in that presidential immunity case. A lot of this could

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Speaker 1: No, that's right. I just thought it was odd. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you for those who are listening to

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Speaker 1: the audio and were looking at it, as Donald Trump says,

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a lawyer, and I paid a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: In some accountant wrote it down as a legal expense.

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Speaker 1: this guy has gotta be making your job that much harder.

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Speaker 1: But for him to admit I paid, I paid this

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Speaker 3: Trying to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael, correct, But because he didn't name check him,

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Speaker 1: he just said I paid a lawyer, and it was

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Speaker 3: Thirty four felony counts of falsifying business records to hide

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Speaker 2: Well, can I just say I think it's for Had

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Speaker 2: I had time, I definitely would have pulled some soun

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Speaker 2: people what happened exactly that evening. Stormy Daniels was twenty

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Speaker 2: seven years old at the time Donald Trump was sixty.

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Speaker 2: It was a really compelling interview that Anderson Cooper did.

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Speaker 2: her because he allowed her to tell her story. A

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Speaker 2: She was an adult film star. She's very clear this

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Speaker 2: She said, you know, this was not something that she

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Speaker 2: a contestant on The Apprentice. Stormy Daniels is an adult

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Speaker 2: film star. She is no fool. She actually ran for Senate.

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Speaker 2: I want to say in twenty eighteen. She's been a

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Speaker 2: old man, before he was president, when he was having

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Speaker 2: So I think these things are important to note for

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Speaker 2: this quote unquote conservative right wing self described pro life

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Speaker 2: outside of whatever moral or ethical issues you have, I

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Speaker 2: am not here to make that judgment. I'm just putting

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Speaker 2: which you just pointed out Michael Cohen paid her, and yes,

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Speaker 2: very keen observation that he just came out and admitted it.

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Speaker 2: What he didn't say is what he paid her for.

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Speaker 2: So while that might not have been illegal, but certainly

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Speaker 2: it's something that the American body politics should be reminded of.

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Speaker 2: Because our attention span for such things is very short,

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Speaker 2: and because there's been fifty eleven trials and updates and

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Speaker 2: and we don't get to deep dive and dissect those

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Speaker 2: reality TV show. So I just get really tired and

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Speaker 3: I just think the president things. You know, Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Completely. I just don't think it should be twenty four hours, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we got the update, this whole thing, we.

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Speaker 3: Can move on to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Also, I mean I think part of it is, uh,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany is I think we we oftentimes move very quickly

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Speaker 1: past things that are you know, that are in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: some people if this man is found guilty, because it

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Speaker 1: him to skate on something. Frankly, that would be yes

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, this particular case is Fisher versus United States,

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Speaker 3: So that second part, that two, and not the one,

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Speaker 3: And they said, say, they also are arguing corruptly, Well,

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Speaker 3: What are the parameters there? So? How far are they

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question. So one when you say

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Speaker 3: Yes, So the Congress has the responsibility of passing laws.

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Speaker 3: Those things become United States code when the president signs

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Speaker 2: So then two questions. The trial in New York that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty four, Yeah, indictments something, and that that also

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Speaker 2: I get it, I guess, I'm just My real question,

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Speaker 1: Four years in prison potentially, okay, four years?

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Speaker 2: And so should this president thirty four can be convicted,

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Speaker 3: Likely yes, But there are instances where state cases find

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Speaker 3: But also what is an issue here is right to protest,

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Speaker 1: Tip before you before you do that. Just wrapping this

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Speaker 3: A still cy Andrew. Just for clarification too, on this

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Speaker 1: If they decide he can't be as president.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I have to say on that case,

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Speaker 2: I think these do get into legal waters that we've

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Speaker 2: But you've brought up the point about Supreme work bar

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Speaker 2: So in twenty sixteen, d Ray McKesson, you guys know

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Speaker 7: So in November twenty sixteen, there was the police killed

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Speaker 2: So why this is interesting and I wanted you out

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Speaker 3: Thinking while the other difference, sorry, go ahead. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 3: they're also they didn't they to be super clear. The

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court decided not to hear this case. They remanded

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Speaker 3: it back to the Fifth Circuit. The Fifth Circuit said

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Speaker 3: already that the police officer can sue deray because while

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Speaker 3: the right to assemble and the right to protest are

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Speaker 3: constitutionally protected, and whether or not you get sued for

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Speaker 3: what happens on the other side of that, whether you

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Speaker 3: can still be sued for a tort, it's something entirely different.

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Speaker 3: I think you'll be vindicated overall and probably win the

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Speaker 3: civil suit. But this is this is it is worth

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Speaker 3: a discussion, and certainly see the hypocrisy.

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Speaker 1: Who decide negligent of them all negligent protests. You know,

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Speaker 1: you got people like the governor of my state and

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Speaker 1: many others that are outlawing protests against law enforcement or

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Speaker 1: outlawing protests on issues that they consider to be quote

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Speaker 1: woke issues. Now, I think as these things are pushed

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Speaker 1: through the law on the other side, that hopefully right

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Speaker 1: will win out. But but I'll just say, regardless of

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Speaker 1: the outcome and what happens in Deray's case and those

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Speaker 1: that are similar to it, let's not mistake what this is.

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Speaker 1: This is a shot over the bow. This is a

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Speaker 1: if you want to try us, let me tell you

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Speaker 1: to the fullest extent of the law, all the parameters

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Speaker 1: and what's allowed, we can take this thing. So, if

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Speaker 1: you Angela Rie, Tiffanycross, Andrew Gillim want to use your

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Speaker 1: platform to promote I don't know, a rally in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: in defense of the former state attorney, and something goes

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Speaker 1: left for the law enforcement officers, who by the way,

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Speaker 1: sit at the epicenter of the issue regarding Marilyn Moseby,

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Speaker 1: that we can all of a sudden decide that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna come for you and we're gonna use

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Speaker 1: the instruments of the law to do so.

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Speaker 6: So I.

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Speaker 1: Think this is hugely problematic and we shouldn't understate what

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Speaker 1: this is intended to do. It's intended to have us

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Speaker 1: tremble before we ever decide to step out in this

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Speaker 1: way or any other against the powers that be. I

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Speaker 1: wish I wish brother Deray best as he moves forward.

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Speaker 1: Y'all want to take a quick break to pay some bills,

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Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll talk the power of

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Speaker 1: the minority.

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Speaker 8: Despite all the lofty rhetoric of democracy, when our political

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Speaker 8: institutions were set up in the seventeen eighties, they actually

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Speaker 8: were set up to benefit, in large part, a propertied

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Speaker 8: white male minority, a very affluent white male minority, of

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Speaker 8: many of whom were slaveholders, and in fact the public

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Speaker 8: were largely excluded from choosing the country's leaders, and far

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Speaker 8: from encouraging majority rule, the founding institutions of our country

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Speaker 8: facilitated minority rule instead.

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Speaker 1: So that was Ari Berman, a journalist and author talking

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Speaker 1: about this idea of minority rule. Already touched on it.

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Speaker 1: But we want to know, really, what are the primary

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Speaker 1: strategies that conservative white male minority in this country has

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Speaker 1: used and is using to enact policies and laws that

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Speaker 1: most of us frankly don't want. And if the majority

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Speaker 1: of us had the opportunity to vote, we wouldn't put

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Speaker 1: it on the books through a citizen vote. But what

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Speaker 1: he touches on, and I know it's touched on by

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Speaker 1: many other authors as well, is whether or not this

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Speaker 1: country is frankly truly acting as a democracy.

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Speaker 3: It's such a good and worthy conversation, you know. I

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Speaker 3: thought about some examples while Ari was speaking. I thought

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Speaker 3: about the filibuster in the Senate, the fact that a

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Speaker 3: simple majority isn't enough to pass legislation. I thought about

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Speaker 3: the electoral college. When folks often talk about us being

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Speaker 3: three fifths of a human being, it's because that's what

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Speaker 3: our slaveholders would could be. They were designated three fifths

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Speaker 3: of a vote based on our personhood, so it wasn't

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Speaker 3: one vote, one person, one vote. I also think about

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Speaker 3: authors like you just mentioned before, the Mayflower, Laron Bennett

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Speaker 3: sixteen nineteen Project, Nicole Hannah Jones, Black af History, our

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Speaker 3: good brother and friend, Michael Harriet. All these people are

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Speaker 3: our family, by the way, And I just think that

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Speaker 3: we often don't give credit to the fact that we

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Speaker 3: know what we poured into this country, literally our blood shed.

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Speaker 3: Crispus addicts, right in the Revolutionary War, we know what

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Speaker 3: we built, and yet we still don't have because there

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Speaker 3: were It was always designed to be for a select few.

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Speaker 3: I hate the concept of founding fathers because founding fathers

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Speaker 3: in and of itself is very exclusionary. It is a

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Speaker 3: small group of men that came together, white men, that

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Speaker 3: came together and said, how can we reenact the thing

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Speaker 3: that we tried to escape ourselves? And then how can

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Speaker 3: we put ourselves in power and make sure that that

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Speaker 3: power stays in the hands of a select few? And

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Speaker 3: then as time went on, they continued to morph this thing,

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Speaker 3: to evolve this thing, to say, and how can we

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Speaker 3: get people who look like us, who don't have what

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Speaker 3: we have, but will be in position mentally to keep

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Speaker 3: us with a little bit of power because they know

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Speaker 3: that there's something to aspire to. They can dream to

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Speaker 3: our status, even though they'll never reach it because this

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Speaker 3: is not for them. But if we can convince them

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Speaker 3: that they're better than everybody else who they're similarly situated with,

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Speaker 3: we are going to continue to keep this power in

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Speaker 3: the hands and select you. That is I think why

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump appeals to them in that way. It is

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Speaker 3: he is the American dream to these white folks that

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Speaker 3: are carved into the side of a mountain. They also

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Speaker 3: don't own and just colonize. So there's all of that.

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Speaker 3: And when I think about what democracy really is, we've

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Speaker 3: talked about it on this show a gazillion times. I

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Speaker 3: also think about the fact that we've never really had

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Speaker 3: what we rightfully deserve. It's never really been one person,

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Speaker 3: one vote. It's been one person, one fight for the

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Speaker 3: vote that you may or may not get. It has

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Speaker 3: been You're gonna have to fight to secure legislation and

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Speaker 3: rights just to survive in this country. Don't even worry

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Speaker 3: about thriving yet. Sis like, there are so many barriers

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Speaker 3: that exist to our true free existence and liberation in

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Speaker 3: this country. And it was built that way by design.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the way I think that's a great

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Speaker 2: historical perspective and a wrinkle in time it creates because

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Speaker 2: when you look at how it plays out today and

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Speaker 2: you consider the changing demographics of the country, we're going

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Speaker 2: to see that increasingly. So look, we're getting closer to

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Speaker 2: the point where there will not be a racial majority

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Speaker 2: in this country. And yet this very small population of

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Speaker 2: people have a stronghold the Congress last year or one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen, Congress, because it was such gridlock, only

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Speaker 2: passed thirty one bills, I believe, making it the least

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Speaker 2: effect of Congress since the Great Depression, to put that

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Speaker 2: in perspective, So it's a lot of things that get

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Speaker 2: left on the table. As of January of this year,

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Speaker 2: Republicans control twenty eight or twenty nine, twenty eight state

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Speaker 2: legislators state legislatures. Democrats control twenty one. And Andrew, you've

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Speaker 2: made the point so many times that people say the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party in Donald Trump as though they are two

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Speaker 2: separate things. They've merged into one. So when you consider

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Speaker 2: that these maga right wing zealot extremists are controlling most

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Speaker 2: of the state legislatures, where a lot of this shitty

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Speaker 2: policy bubbles up to federal policy that should concern us all.

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Speaker 2: They are out of step with the American people by

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Speaker 2: and large. They're out of step with the American people

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Speaker 2: when it comes to reproductive health. They're out of step

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Speaker 2: with the American people when it comes to gun laws.

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Speaker 2: They're out of step with the American people when it

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Speaker 2: comes to racial divide, They're out of step with the

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Speaker 2: American people. When it comes to criminal justice reform. They're

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Speaker 2: out of step with the American people when it comes

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Speaker 2: to climate change. So I don't know what to do

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Speaker 2: about it, you know. I mean, obviously we keep saying voting, voting, voting, voting,

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Speaker 2: But I'm a little concerned because I think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: at some point this country is fractured, and the civil

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Speaker 2: war doesn't start with the first, you know, the blow

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Speaker 2: that's struck. The civil war starts long before that. And

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Speaker 2: so that's why I say. Some people say that's dangerous,

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Speaker 2: language is hyperbolic. I don't think so. I think right

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Speaker 2: now we are seeing this country fracture, and not only

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Speaker 2: is it threatening our livelihood here, it is threatening our

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Speaker 2: place and global diplomacy as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you rightly tossed in some

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Speaker 1: ways to what happens in these states, even when we

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Speaker 1: get out of whack with where the people are. And

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Speaker 1: mind you, y'all, I'm not an extremist by any stretch,

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Speaker 1: and I get why it is that you want common

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Speaker 1: sense showing up on the playing field. For instance, if

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Speaker 1: Brown v. Board of Education had been put to a

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Speaker 1: popular vote at the time, my guess is the majority

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Speaker 1: of voting Americans at the time would not have reverse

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Speaker 1: right plus v ferguson right. And so we have Supreme courts.

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Speaker 1: But what Ari and so many others, Michael Herriott and

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Speaker 1: Nicolhanna Jones, many of those who are keepers of record,

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Speaker 1: our grios, if you will, are saying, is these institutions

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Speaker 1: were established as way by design, and they're only effectuating.

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Speaker 1: They're only doing what they're designed to do. The fact

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Speaker 1: that every single state, regardless of population, has two US Senators,

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Speaker 1: and the majority of those little small states get to

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Speaker 1: decide he sits on the Supreme Court. The fact that

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Speaker 1: when I told students that their direct vote on election

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Speaker 1: day didn't equal electing a president, they were baffled that

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Speaker 1: because we're a democracy, yes, when I go vote, I

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Speaker 1: elected president. Said nah, there's another special meeting that's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in December here at the state Capitol where

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Speaker 1: the electors for the state of Florida are going to come.

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Speaker 1: It's very little talked about, very little rigamarocas.

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Speaker 8: It's just following.

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Speaker 1: Process somebody's going to go into that room, one hundred

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Speaker 1: so odd of them, and they're going to vote on

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Speaker 1: electoral votes that will then be sent to Congress. It's

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Speaker 1: important we understand this, y'all, because a lot of us

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Speaker 1: don't realize that there is some distance between us and

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Speaker 1: direct democracy. And here are some of the ways in

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Speaker 1: which it plays out in our states. I want you

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Speaker 1: ought to hear it directly. We'll go first to Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: where we see a bill that bans the study. Hear

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Speaker 1: me a bill that bans the study of reparations. Let's

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Speaker 1: sear the sound.

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Speaker 9: The bill is sponsored by Republican Representative John Reagan of

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Speaker 9: Nashville and Memphis Senator Brent Taylor of Memphis. Before the

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Speaker 9: Senate approved the bill, Taylor pointed to Shelby County approving

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Speaker 9: five million dollars to study reparations.

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Speaker 5: So we know this is a very divisive issue, and

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Speaker 5: it's an important issue for many people in our communities.

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Speaker 5: It's an important issue in my community, But mister speaker,

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Speaker 5: it's an issue that cannot be resolved at the local level.

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Speaker 6: No one is alive today who was either a slave

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Speaker 6: or a slaveholder in the timeframe that slavery was legal

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Speaker 6: in this country. If there were to be a reparations program,

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Speaker 6: the question becomes from whom are these reparations taken? And

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Speaker 6: to whom are these reparations paid?

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Speaker 1: Aid y'all, I mean we could, we could go on

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Speaker 1: and on on that sound, but I will I will

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Speaker 1: say it's important to call out Tennessee Reverend Earl Fisher.

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Speaker 1: I think Angela, you know Earl Reverend Fisher rather personally,

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Speaker 1: who has been on the advocacy side here and has

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Speaker 1: been collecting signatures to a position basically telling them the

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Speaker 1: legislature to step back, step back, Angela, what are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on this?

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Speaker 3: My thoughts are I don't have a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: hope in the Tennessee State legislature. I just would take

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Speaker 3: y'all back two episodes right, like, this is the same

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Speaker 3: legislature that is trying to prevent paying Tennessee State University

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Speaker 3: what they what they are, what they're owed that is

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Speaker 3: modern reparations. And there are people who are alive who

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Speaker 3: had everything to do with that name even trying to

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Speaker 3: pay that. So I'm not confused about why they don't

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Speaker 3: want to study. But here's what we also know. They

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Speaker 3: don't want to study so much that they're taking history

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Speaker 3: books out of class rooms. They don't want us to

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Speaker 3: learn this for free or for pay. They don't want

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Speaker 3: us to learn by their taxpayer dollars or our taxpayer dollars.

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Speaker 3: There's no surprise here and again to the point, to

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Speaker 3: the point of Tiffany's book, TI. If you want to

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Speaker 3: shout out your book.

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Speaker 2: Say it louder, Black voters, white narratives and saving our

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Speaker 2: Democracy available everywhere books are soldiects say it, what's louder?

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Speaker 2: That's it?

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Speaker 3: People in the bed louder say it like yeah, Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm just playing. But here's the thing we have to acknowledge.

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Speaker 3: What is the elephant in the room? No pun intended.

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Speaker 3: Republicans like, we know exactly what you're doing. It is

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Speaker 3: by design. It is at every level. It is at

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Speaker 3: the level of a school board, It is at the

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Speaker 3: state legislature. It is trying to be back in the

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Speaker 3: White House, It is in the halls of Congress. They

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Speaker 3: just took out the d Office of Congress. What do

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Speaker 3: we expect. Of course, they're not trying to go backwards

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Speaker 3: and look at what they owe us and what was

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Speaker 3: done wrong and what is owed to a people that

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Speaker 3: have given everything to this country. They don't want to

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Speaker 3: give us what we deserve today. There's no surprises here.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about a wage gap, there's a

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Speaker 3: wage gap, and I'm trying to pay what they owe

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Speaker 3: us and paychecks today. Of course they're not trying to

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Speaker 3: look at what went wrong back in the day. Now,

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Speaker 3: Reverend ear Oh, you know that that does not mean

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna support the petition. I have posted it

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Speaker 3: twice on my stories. I'm gonna stand with you, good brother,

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Speaker 3: But I ain't got a lot of hope. Folks got

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Speaker 3: to go to the polls. And it's hard to get

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Speaker 3: folks to go to the polls when we're talking about

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Speaker 3: democracy and the ways, in the many ways in which

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Speaker 3: our votes have been suppressed, not counted, and tried to

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Speaker 3: be taken over by Donald Trump and Kanye West publicists.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, Angela, I mean, and if

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Speaker 1: you evoke this earlier on in your comments around the

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Speaker 1: emphasis on local, but maybe we aren't down your street

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Speaker 1: yet because we're talking about reparations. We're gonna move here

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Speaker 1: now to reproductive rights and see if we get any

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Speaker 1: closer to your street. What's in common here, y'all. You

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Speaker 1: heard it from the senator there. It's not a local

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Speaker 1: issue to decide reparations. So when they don't want to

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Speaker 1: deal with it, all right, they want to punt to

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Speaker 1: the federal. But when it gets down to reproductive health,

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Speaker 1: which was federally decided.

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Speaker 3: But either you do know state, the states paid slaveholders

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Speaker 3: reparations too, and not slave not slaves. Slaveholder states pay that.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying to the brothers or whatever he is.

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Speaker 3: They's saying that anyway.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, but we all see it for what it is. Correct,

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Speaker 1: This volleying back and forth between what is federal and

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Speaker 1: what is state at your convenience. So let's hear now

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Speaker 1: where they stand on who's responsible for women's reproductive health.

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Speaker 1: Certainly I'll go ahead and not bury the lead. It

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Speaker 1: ain't the woman herself. Let's hear the sound how about that.

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Speaker 10: Here's in a Supreme Court rule that prosecutors can enforce

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Speaker 10: a anti abortion law dating to eighteen sixty four. It

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Speaker 10: is a complete ban on nearly all abortions. It can

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Speaker 10: only be performed to save the life of the mother.

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Speaker 10: There's no exemptions for rape incest. Trump appointed three Supreme

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Speaker 10: Court justices. He remade the court during his tenure, moved

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Speaker 10: it decisively to the right, and paved the way for

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Speaker 10: the Dobs decision in twenty twenty two that ended the

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Speaker 10: constitutional national right to an abortion and return the issue

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Speaker 10: allowed states to come up with their own laws, like

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Speaker 10: the one in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: So this is where we are, folks. The two and

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Speaker 1: twenty four sitting Supreme Court in Arizona just gave way

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Speaker 1: toss back to a Civil rights era law that existed

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Speaker 1: on the books that basically prohibited any abortion except in

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Speaker 1: cases of the life of the mother. So which way

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Speaker 1: is it going to be? Is it states rights? Is

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Speaker 1: it a federal rights? Y'all please please understand that these

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Speaker 1: things are obviously being chosen at their convenience, which is

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Speaker 1: more important, which is less. But the argument is still fundamental,

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Speaker 1: which is who in the world gets to decide for

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Speaker 1: the majority of us what issues stand for the day.

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Speaker 1: We've had two presidents in the twentieth century so far

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Speaker 1: who were both elected sworn in without achieving the national

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Speaker 1: popular vote. Yeah, Arizona is now a swing state and

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Speaker 1: has been thrown back to before the Civil War was settled,

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Speaker 1: Before the Civil War was.

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Speaker 3: Ended before Juneteenth for US, Before enslaved people in Texas

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Speaker 3: were notified of their freedom right June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five,

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Speaker 3: this law was on the books in eighteen sixty four.

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Speaker 3: They said, let's harken back to what we know. You

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Speaker 3: know what this is also called, y'all know it make

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Speaker 3: America great again. That's what they mean. Everything before nineteen fifty,

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Speaker 3: that's what they mean.

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Speaker 1: If you follow, well, you are part of the press

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Speaker 1: and still are our resident press expert, media news expert.

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Speaker 1: How do people reconcile What's happened in Arizona with Trump's

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Speaker 1: decision and his appointments to the Supreme Court make it

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Speaker 1: makes sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is where I think from the judiciary

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Speaker 2: branch of government. I don't think that the left in

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Speaker 2: particular focuses as much because there are so many other

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Speaker 2: issues under attack. But this is precisely what happens. I

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Speaker 2: think during Donald Trump's reign in office, we focus a

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Speaker 2: lot on the Supreme Court. We don't focus as much

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Speaker 2: on the lower courts. During Donald Trump's reign in office,

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Speaker 2: he appointed over two hundred judges to lifetime appointments, predominantly

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Speaker 2: white men, and many of whom were completely inexperience for

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Speaker 2: the jobs. Some of these people had never even been

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Speaker 2: on the bench before they were attorneys. Right now we

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Speaker 2: have an actual handmaiden on the court, Amy Cony Barrett

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Speaker 2: was a literal handmaid. You can look it up and

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Speaker 2: google it if you don't believe me. But even when

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Speaker 2: you look at these folks, I mean, we all remember

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Speaker 2: what happened with the justice, the frat boy whose I

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Speaker 2: like beer Kavanaugh. When we saw his testimony, we could never,

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Speaker 2: would never. And then when you look at what they're

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Speaker 2: upholding at the federal level of government. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of consequences. And again, this is an

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Speaker 2: example of what you call my anority rule, Andrew. This

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Speaker 2: is a tiny amount of people enacting laws and policies

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Speaker 2: that run contrary to our interests. And I think the

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Speaker 2: question is what do we do about it? How do

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Speaker 2: we stop it? And a lot of this, unfortunately in

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Speaker 2: our lifetimes we may not see. But I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of this has to be reimagining the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: And people talked about expanding the Supreme Court, yes, but

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Speaker 2: also just reimagining democracy. That might be a good Evergreen

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Speaker 2: Andrew just reimagining a democracy that serves us.

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Speaker 3: This is one thing I just want to say here

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Speaker 3: really quick. One key point is the very thing that

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Speaker 3: you started with on the state level, which was this

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Speaker 3: study of reparations, is the very thing that puts the

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Speaker 3: minority in position to rule forever. That is financing. They

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Speaker 3: have been able to pay their way to play at

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Speaker 3: every single level. It is by design. We talked about

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Speaker 3: Projects twenty twenty five. If y'all haven't watched that episode

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Speaker 3: or listen to that episode, run that thing back because

787
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Speaker 3: it has everything to do with what's happening now. Minority

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Speaker 3: rule through lifetime judicial appointments, Minority rule through being able

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Speaker 3: to buy your way into elected office at every single level.

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Speaker 3: Minority rule through burrowing into career but level positions on

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Speaker 3: the state, local, and federal level, government paid positions that

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Speaker 3: y'all's tax period dollars are paying for. That is how

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Speaker 3: the minority continues to rule through strategy, through money, and

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Speaker 3: by occupying all of those seats. That is how so

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Speaker 3: if we don't take that over through our act, our

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Speaker 3: Jesus activism is all I'm trying to get out of

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Speaker 3: my mouth. If we don't take it over, that way.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that we can outpace them from a

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Speaker 3: funding perspective. We fight to get our folks to see, hey,

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Speaker 3: this America first legal thing that Steven Miller is doing,

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Speaker 3: the stuff that Ed Bloom is doing, we need our

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Speaker 3: own version of that. Not to counter those attacks, but

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Speaker 3: to have some proactive attacks. We will not be able

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Speaker 3: to win on a lot of those cases because minority

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Speaker 3: rule has found itself into lifetime appointments in the judicial branch.

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Speaker 3: We have to start planning for these things in a

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Speaker 3: lot more strategic way, and it's very difficult to do

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Speaker 3: when all we're trying to do is live when we

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Speaker 3: interact with the police officer, and when all we're trying

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Speaker 3: to do is make sure that we can make ends meet,

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Speaker 3: when our wages aren't the same as everyone else. When

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Speaker 3: all we're trying to do is make sure that on

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Speaker 3: the other side of a rape situation or an incest

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Speaker 3: or or a mistake one bad night, people aren't stuck

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Speaker 3: with a lifetime of a decision. Because whatever anyway I'm down.

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Speaker 1: The essentially I know you're going in there. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why I would love for us to

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Speaker 1: hear a listener question right after this break that hits

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Speaker 1: a little bit on those themes, except in a way

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Speaker 1: that I think you probably you probably wouldn't guess.

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Speaker 11: A Native lampod. My name is Diallo. I'm based in Raleigh,

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Speaker 11: North Carolina. I'm twenty three years old. My question is,

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Speaker 11: is I feel like there's an elephant in the room,

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Speaker 11: especially being in the South, that even though a large

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Speaker 11: majority of black religious voters I subscribe to Christianity vote Democratic.

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Speaker 11: We also hold conservative and traditional values, but there seems

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Speaker 11: to be the Democratic Party not like a really planned

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Speaker 11: and robust way to reach the black religious voter. And

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Speaker 11: I think it can just be frustrating because anytime we

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Speaker 11: talk about faith, we're kind of lumped in with white evangelicalism,

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Speaker 11: even when it comes two different views. Even such things

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Speaker 11: as abortion. I think black people we have more of

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Speaker 11: a moderate view of abortion that is not necessarily aligning

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Speaker 11: with the Democratic Party and not necessarily aligning with the

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Speaker 11: Republican Party. So what do you guys think that we

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Speaker 11: can do to address this address these types of voters.

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Speaker 11: Have you guys seen this?

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that Dayalla.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Tim, I think he's saying a

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Speaker 2: lot of aoint making a very poignant point that is

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Speaker 2: often lost on both parties. And we've said this here

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Speaker 2: a lot. We are not a homogenous group of people.

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Speaker 2: We're not a homogeneous voting block. We have varying different

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Speaker 2: socioeconomic backgrounds that drive our interest here. I think it's

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Speaker 2: so unfortunate because where our commonality is, can we just live?

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Speaker 2: Can you stop shooting us? Can you allow us the

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Speaker 2: freedom to breathe and thrive and take care of our

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Speaker 2: children and pay our mortgage and all the things that

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Speaker 2: the rest of mostly white America gets to do. When

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Speaker 2: it comes to the conservative part of the black vote,

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Speaker 2: I think the media narrative has gotten a completely wrong,

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Speaker 2: suggesting that there's this drove of black men voting for

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I don't think that's true. I think there

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Speaker 2: are people who go to church every Sunday who probably

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Speaker 2: don't believe in gender some of the same loving gender

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Speaker 2: policies out there. I have a challenge with that. I

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Speaker 2: don't believe in that, and I don't support that kind

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Speaker 2: of discrimination. But certainly there are black folks who feel

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Speaker 2: that way. There's certainly a high pocket of black folks

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Speaker 2: who don't support marijuana legislation. I've seen a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of preachers in the pulpit talk about you know why

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Speaker 2: you want to support a law at a dulo mind

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Speaker 2: and make you think things. I think these things are

864
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Speaker 2: out of step with society, and I think that they

865
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: are out of step with the way most of America goes.

866
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: But there are people in my own family feel some

867
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: of these things. So I'm happy to get the question

868
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: because I think it shows that there is a wide

869
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: swath of people. The Democratic Party has to be a

870
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: big tent of folks and punctuates the point that we

871
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: have to have more than a two party system. I

872
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: would hope that this man can continue to vote in

873
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: the interests of the greater good. That's where we as

874
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: black folks, don't have the privilege to say I like

875
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: this person they speak directly to me. We have to

876
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: always think community. I might not agree with every single

877
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: thing this person says, but in the interests of my community,

878
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to vote in this particular party or for

879
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: this particular candidate.

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00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: That's real. That's real and really, ladies, in the spirit

881
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: of community. We all know and have been acknowledging this

882
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: past week Black Maternal Health Week, our mothers. We've got

883
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: to care for our mamas and those who are aspiring

884
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: in that way. And we all know the numbers are

885
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: staggering when it comes to infant mortality, Black infant mortality, mortality,

886
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: and Black maternal health. Angel I know this is an

887
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: issue that's also very very close to you. Building upon

888
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: this theme of us caring after all of those in

889
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: our community, what would be the charge as we close

890
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: out this acknowledgment, this recognition of Black maternal health and

891
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: infant mortality.

892
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the most important thing is that

893
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: people understand the disparities that exist. Oftentimes, when folks are

894
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: fighting the ghost of racism that they think does not exist,

895
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 3: they fail to take data into consideration. So if Black

896
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: women are dying in childbirth three times at a rate

897
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 3: three times higher than white women, I think that speaks volumes.

898
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: I know we have a clip from doctor Cleopatra Campervine

899
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: who speaks about the prejudice brain and why it's so

900
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: important to care about black maternal health.

901
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 12: My brain is prejudiced, and your brain is prejudice, and

902
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 12: this prejudice accounts for the up to eighty percent of

903
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 12: maternal deaths that are preventable I'm doctor Cleopatra fertility scientists,

904
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 12: and I want to show you how our brains use

905
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 12: mental shortcuts called schemas to quickly process information. This allowed

906
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 12: our ancestors to survive, but today it divides us into

907
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 12: us versus them, and when they become less human in

908
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 12: the eyes of us, it leads directly to the tragedy

909
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 12: of lives lost, of mothers who could have been saved,

910
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 12: mothers like my own mother, who I lost at birth.

911
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 12: I know it's tough to hear, and I promise you

912
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 12: it's even tougher to live. That's why we need urgent

913
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 12: systems in place that actively counter the human brain's natural

914
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 12: tendency toward prejudice and bias. Our color me mommy toolkit,

915
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 12: the mom Nebus built. These are not just initiatives, they

916
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 12: are actual lifelines.

917
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Speaker 3: She raises some really good points, and I know we

918
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: also have a question on this issue.

919
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Speaker 13: Hey, hello Native Land Pod. My name's Olivia Attlee. I'm

920
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 13: from glambas, Ohio. I'm a full spectrum doula and a

921
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Speaker 13: mama of two. My question for you all is, as

922
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 13: we know, the awful state of maternal and infant mortality

923
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Speaker 13: in our country, especially as it pertains to black and

924
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Speaker 13: brown individuals. I'm wanting to know y'all's opinion and advice

925
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 13: on how we keep the very important agenda in front

926
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Speaker 13: of our legislators to improve these rates in a way

927
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Speaker 13: that is fresh and relevant so that they won't forget

928
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 13: it and they won't think that it's no longer a

929
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 13: problem or an issue.

930
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Speaker 3: Just wanting some.

931
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 13: More advice on how we continue to push this agenda

932
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 13: full what else can and should we be doing.

933
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Speaker 3: Thank you, you know, I think about the work that

934
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: Kamala was engaging in as a senator, and now many

935
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Speaker 3: others continue that work, including Congresswoman Lauren Underwood and so

936
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Speaker 3: many other black women. Shout out to the CBC women.

937
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 3: There's a Black Maternal Health Momnibus Act that works to

938
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Speaker 3: create conditions conducive to safe birthing experiences. A lot of

939
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 3: times when black women are talking about any pain they're experiencing,

940
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 3: they're not believed, and that is how many of these

941
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: deaths occur. Just simple belief. If someone is telling you

942
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: they're in pain or something doesn't feel right. This woman

943
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: has lived in her body her whole life. You should

944
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: probably listen to her. So this bill as well as

945
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: many others, works to protect Black women and their birthing

946
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: experiences shouldn't be traumatic. It should be the most joyful

947
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: time of their lives. I know, I'm working to become

948
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: a mom. The fertility journey's been a brutal one for me.

949
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you the truth. I'm like, okay, after

950
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: we can get an embryo made and it implants, and

951
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: I just hope that I can have a safe birth.

952
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 3: A dear friend of ours, Stephanie Young, recently gave birth

953
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: to a beautiful baby. And even hearing about some of

954
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: Steph's complications, you know, you hit forty and the things

955
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: just it gets really challenging. Thank god she has a

956
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: healthy baby. Thank god she's healthy. But all along the

957
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 3: journey there are different things. They just hit us differently.

958
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: So we need to be made aware and shout out

959
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: to all of the folks who work so diligently to

960
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: create Black Maternal Health Week.

961
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, even not dealing with you know,

962
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: pregnancies in advanced age or what is considered more advanced

963
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: higher risk age, you have the issues of women who

964
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: report pain while still in the hospital or immediately after release.

965
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: And you have doctors who chalk it up to, Oh,

966
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: she just wants to prescribe to a painkiller, you know,

967
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, take some toallet On, It'll be okay. And

968
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: days later if that the woman perishes and nobody has

969
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: as inexplicable reason as to why have had it happened

970
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: to classmates, to friends, to others, kids who have been

971
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: orphaned while their mothers lay, you know, practically on the

972
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: delivery table. So the our need to give voice to

973
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: this is important and I appreciate you lifting this up.

974
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: As we close out Black Maternal Health Week. This out

975
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: of be a topic that's three sixty five, So y'all

976
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: keep the conversation going and speaking of women and their value.

977
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to be out of tune by making

978
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: this connection. But when we talk about what is being

979
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: paid offered women for their work, it doesn't just happen

980
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: in corporate places. It's not just happening in chains. It's

981
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: happening in some of the most high profile environments that

982
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 1: you and I know, the w n B A let's

983
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: hear from w NBA star Kelsey Plumb, who explains how

984
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: the NBA and the w NBA players are paid so differentferently,

985
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: you know.

986
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 14: We talk about the CBA, right, so the collected and

987
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 14: Bargaining agreement, and in the NBA they have percentages of

988
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 14: revenue shared for the players, right, So Jersey sales obviously

989
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 14: their TV contracts, you see these every year, these contracts

990
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 14: get bigger and bigger and bigger, right, yeah, massive, But

991
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 14: that's because their CBA negotiates where the you know, if

992
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 14: the owners are making certain types of money, they get

993
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 14: that as well. In the WNBA that's not the case.

994
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 14: So in twenty twenty five, that's our new you know,

995
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 14: opportunity to renegotiate or opt out. So there are definitely

996
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 14: future opportunities coming. But I will say that it's one

997
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 14: of those things that we are not asking to get

998
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 14: paid what the men get paid. We're asking to get

999
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 14: paid the same percentage of revenue shared.

1000
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I'm saying. So that's a huge misconception.

1001
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: That's a huge missiness for.

1002
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 8: Sure, because every video is like, oh, this person can

1003
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 8: pay this this.

1004
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1005
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 14: So I want to be really clear about that, Like

1006
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 14: I don't think I should get paid the same as

1007
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 14: Lebron right, but the percentage of revenue like for example,

1008
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 14: they sell my jersey in Midla BA. I don't get

1009
00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 14: a dime, you don't.

1010
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: Get need money from Jersey sales shots.

1011
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is one Tiff. I know you're

1012
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: a resident sports expert, but I saw you know what.

1013
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm a wait, thank you because you guys like a

1014
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: couple of my toes when it comes to sports, and

1015
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: you know that's my thing. So if I may have

1016
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 2: the floor for a second, Kelsey plumb, I don't want

1017
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: to outshine anybody, so I'll let Angela tell us who

1018
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: she plays for. But she is an amazing w NBA star.

1019
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: And I thought this was such a poignant point because

1020
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: I get so tired of hearing the men talk about

1021
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: you know, well they don't make as much money, or

1022
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: not even just the men, but people make the point

1023
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: that they don't make as much money as the men,

1024
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: so why should they get paid. I love how she

1025
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: broke this down. It is all about collective bargaining, the

1026
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: collective bargaining agreement the CBA. This is a union issue.

1027
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: They the w NBA has a players association, just like

1028
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: the NBA does. Somebody who goes to the bargaining table

1029
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: and set these contracts. As we know, Caitlin Clark at

1030
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: no point in her contract will make six figures. Now,

1031
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: her endorsements will carry her over. She'll be fine. But

1032
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: that's one player, Angel Recent That's one player. There are

1033
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: hundreds of players in the w NBA who will never

1034
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 2: make that much money. I have to say too, even

1035
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: though I completely support Kelsey Plump's point, the other challenge

1036
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: I will make is to consumers viewers, women in particular,

1037
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: I'm calling on you watch the w NBA. Get into it. I,

1038
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: despite being a sports expert, don't always watch every single game.

1039
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 2: And I've been into it. We Angel our group chat,

1040
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: we are in it. We were watching the draft. We

1041
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: were talking about what people were wearing, who was going

1042
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: to what team. It was so exciting. Watching the playoffs

1043
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: at the college level was so exciting for me. And

1044
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: I have to say I think any made this point too.

1045
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like the women's sports arm of

1046
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: this is a lot more interesting in the than the

1047
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: w n b A. I look at the coaches on

1048
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: the sideline watching Don Staley coach. I mean that is

1049
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: watching magic. I'm getting so excited watching it. Women watch

1050
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: the watch the sports more excited than the w n

1051
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: b A. I just wanted to fix it. What did

1052
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: I say? You said the w NBA, that's still women.

1053
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: I just think, why get so excited we talk about

1054
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: sports because I'm so passionate about this subject. So I

1055
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: may have missed spoke, but really, if you if you

1056
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: want to see these women make more money, one thing

1057
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: you can do is watch the WNBA. And I personally

1058
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: am looking for a team. And I said, wherever angel

1059
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: Reese went to play will be my team. And she's

1060
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: going to Chicago, so that might be my team. I'm

1061
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: not fully committed yet, but that might be my team.

1062
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: They tuned.

1063
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: I think they should draft you, Kiff.

1064
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: I honestly would love to do some sort of commentary,

1065
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: color commentary, the tout, whatever I need to do. I

1066
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: want to be a part of it. I would like

1067
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: to be a part of it.

1068
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 3: Oh, she doesn't want to play, Andrew shit, I know, right.

1069
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: Here's here's the one thing that I was going to say,

1070
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: and it goes right to the heart of what Tiff

1071
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: was saying around consumers. I know she hasn't a weed

1072
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: as vegan shirt, but we're not quite at that consumption

1073
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: piece yet. We're just talking about consuming the sport. What

1074
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: I think we also need to understand is the importance

1075
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: of ticket sales. People need to go to the games them.

1076
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Speaker 3: Don't be like, oh, these salaries are such a shame.

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Speaker 3: But you know that you're buying Lamello sneak, but you

1078
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: ain't never picked up a Stewey sneaker, Like what are

1079
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 3: we even talking about? So I think that you got

1080
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: to understand the role that we also play in this.

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00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: We go to the polls, we also got to go

1082
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 3: to the courts and go to the courts for the girls.

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00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: To tips point, I was making the argument and the

1084
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: numbers reflect the same. The Final four NCAA Final four

1085
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: championship for the women outpace the men. So let's just

1086
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: be very it really. Yeah, it's amazing more viewers because

1087
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: it was a it was anyway, it was a way

1088
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: more exciting game. And I also think that we have

1089
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: to understand that that has to translate over to the

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00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: w NBA. I love the folks talking about salaries. It

1091
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: is not an issue that we know, again that's exclusive

1092
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: to the w NBA. We have pay disparities across the board,

1093
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 3: but this is one where we could really run the

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00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: court on no pun intention to ensure that that.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask the quick question? This is to Angela.

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00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: Are the Machetes our group chat? What game are we

1097
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: going to? What game should we go to?

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00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: Can I tell I'm biased because you know I don't

1099
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 3: have my sonics anymore in Seattle. So Andrew, you're also invited.

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Speaker 3: You can be honorary Machete. We got some guys and

1101
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: it's honorary Machete. The thing that I would say is,

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: I would love to go to the Seattle Storm. We

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: have a black coach, she is incredible. We have Uhka's

1104
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: now on the team. We got Skylar on the team.

1105
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: We lost Steuwie, but we have a we have a

1106
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: good bench, and Sue Byrd of course is retired. But

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: I think this is going to be a like a.

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00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: Premiere game though, like the season.

1109
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: If you're their friend, if you're there, it's.

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00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: A premier Thank you and no sorry. Noel Quinn is

1111
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: who I'm talking about. I love Noel. She is incredible.

1112
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: Uh she's the coach of the Seattle Storm. So y'all

1113
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: are always welcome to support my team. I'm trying to

1114
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: get seasoned takes.

1115
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: I just want to go and I want to be

1116
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: courtsied like the season opener, premiere game, and cheer on

1117
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: the premier if you're there windows the season.

1118
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: But all the points are well well made in the comments.

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Speaker 2: Tell me when the May start May fourteenth.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah bad Andrews.

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01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: Look, I just want to make sure we get it

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Speaker 1: all in. And speaking of getting it in, after this

1124
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: commercial break, have a quick little highlight to celebrate the

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Speaker 1: one and only four twenty not FAU twenty.

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Speaker 3: Note of this group needs help, We'll.

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: Be right back. As we considered the state of play

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Speaker 1: on this four twenty, this approaching for twenty, I didn't

1129
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Speaker 1: get the memo for, you know, broadcasting my position on this.

1130
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Speaker 1: When I was running for governor, I was for full

1131
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: recreational and medical legalization thumbs up. But my friend over here, Tiff,

1132
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: came fully prepared. But before all right, toss it over

1133
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: to you, Tip, and you just want to acknowledge that

1134
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: and the time the ways we have come, if you will.

1135
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: I threw a map up on the screen here which

1136
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: just shows that the overwhelming majority of states have already

1137
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Speaker 1: legalized some form of medicinal use of marijuana. And for

1138
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: those who get it confused and think you gotta clutch

1139
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: your pearls. When we mentioned this, I got a couple

1140
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: of aunties and uncles and stuff who are on the

1141
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: gummies that help them sleep and rest. So don't judge

1142
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: too quickly because we don't know what's in your medicine

1143
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: box yet. Then they're right outstanding. Part of this is

1144
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily the medical or the recreational catching up, but

1145
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: really the federal government catching up with states with states

1146
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: and what they are already doing to reduce the stigma

1147
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: around medical marijuana. Now, Tiff, I think your shirt applies

1148
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: whether we're talking about medicinally or recreationally. But tell us

1149
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: where do you stay?

1150
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Speaker 2: Well, this may shock you, but I am pro legalization

1151
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: of marijuana. Listen on Saturday exactly if you're watching this

1152
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: on this Saturday, happy for twenty to you. Saturday is

1153
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: the day that weed smokers unite, I would say, in

1154
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: one big puff puff pass communion. But before you celebrate

1155
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: that sticky ichy, I think it's important that you know,

1156
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 2: take a climback to win. And we were alive during

1157
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: this time that these Mary Jane exchanges were confined to

1158
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: street corners, or you had your your dude so to speak,

1159
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: on speed dial. But now just as the Andrew pointed

1160
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: out that most of the country has legalized the drug.

1161
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: It's a multi billion dollar industry. So while some of

1162
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: us are certainly enjoying one kind of green, there's a

1163
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: whole other group of people pocketing another kind of green.

1164
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: And what's worse is marijuana laws still devastated communities. They

1165
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: still put are ensnared a bunch of black people into

1166
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: a very unforgiving criminal justic system, which we talked about

1167
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: on this show. According to the a c o U,

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01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: marijuana arrests wants accounted for over half the drug arrest

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01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: in this country. So think about that. And while people

1170
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: are still building wealth, there are people who are still

1171
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Speaker 2: in jail today because of laws having to do with marijuana.

1172
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,479
Speaker 2: So if you want to sell we legally today, which

1173
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: I think is a really big issue in the black community.

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01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: Shout out to Andre Iguadala, Out Harrington and other people

1175
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: out there who are trying to get into the dispensary game.

1176
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: But you need a license to sell. That can cost

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01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: you up to one hundred and twenty thousand dollars if

1178
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: not more. Now go in legal fees, insurance, rental fees,

1179
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: marketing taxes, and your costs can literally balloon into the

1180
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. And with the wealth gap, I don't

1181
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: have to tell you guys about that, Black folks are

1182
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: far less likely to get loans to support this kind

1183
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: of business. So in some regards we are left out

1184
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: of the rotation. There are some programs intending to address this,

1185
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: but they have a long way to go. So, as

1186
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: you're doing your puff puff pass, however you're celebrating four

1187
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: to twenty, before you roll up those backwoods, just put

1188
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: a lot more thought and energy out. Invite you into

1189
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: the kind of green you can pocket, not just the

1190
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: kind of green you can inhale.

1191
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: All right, co hosts, we're at the point of our

1192
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: calls to actions. What what's the altar call this week?

1193
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: I like the altar call call.

1194
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be sacriligious, so.

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01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: Can we say and not everybody goes to church. We

1196
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: have plenty of people who listen who don't go to church.

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Speaker 1: The altar of the pod, but I'm safe. What you got, Angela?

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: What you thinking this week? First?

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Speaker 3: You know, I like where Tiff was in this section.

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01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: We talked about supporting women's sports. So join us as

1201
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 3: we all go to a season opener. I think this

1202
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 3: is a good challenge. Tif hopefully we all can get

1203
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: to Seattle on May fourteenth. If not, find one in

1204
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 3: your hometown or near a hometown, go support these incredible

1205
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: women hooping, like running circles around some of these dudes

1206
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 3: out here. So that is gonna be my call to action.

1207
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: Support the w n B. A don't just post about it,

1208
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: don't just complain about it. Go buy a ticket about it.

1209
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: I love that, and tell us in the comments, which team,

1210
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: which opener we should go to, what team we should

1211
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: be supporting. I'm curious to hear from you guys as

1212
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: I navigate my journey into the w n B action. No,

1213
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: I was just echoing my assister Angela, because we need

1214
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: input from the group at large to see where we're

1215
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 2: gonna which game we're gonna go to. My qual action

1216
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: is I know you are, but I mean for our

1217
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: whole group to go together. I'm down to go to Seattle,

1218
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: but I want to see where everybody else has said.

1219
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: My call to action this week it's a very niche

1220
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: so I apologize for the people this doesn't apply to.

1221
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: It's a call to action and a shout out. I

1222
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: want We've shouted out to Nicole Hannah Jones a few

1223
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: times on this episode, but I want to shout her

1224
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 2: out again. I attended an event that she did last

1225
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: night at Howard University with her journalism students. There were

1226
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: probably two three hundred people there, and her students love

1227
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: her like everyone in the I think the Comms apartment

1228
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: who are learning from her. And it made me think,

1229
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 2: because I get so much outreach from students when I

1230
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 2: meet people when I'm out. I just did an event

1231
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: at the gathering spot shout out to the gathering spot

1232
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: by the way where I broadcast from. I did an

1233
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: event at the gathering Spot in Atlanta, and so many

1234
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 2: people will come up to me and say, I want

1235
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: to do what you do. I want to be a journalist.

1236
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: And when I start asking those questions, what papers do

1237
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: you read every day? What niche are you interested in?

1238
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: Who are some of your favorite bylines? They can't answer.

1239
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: So my heart was full last night watching these students

1240
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: really study the craft, really understand what it is to

1241
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: be a journalist, understanding she's teaching them about sourcing, about

1242
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: fact finding, about reporting. I think some people conflate that

1243
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 2: a lot of you guys out there who ask me

1244
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: what you know that you want to do?

1245
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 7: What I do?

1246
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: You think it's about going on TV giving your opinion,

1247
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: and that's not it. I don't care about your opinion.

1248
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: Maybe some people do, but mostly I don't care. Why

1249
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: if you haven't Angelo worked on Capitol Hill. It was

1250
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: a strategist, Andrew was a politician. Like, these were jobs

1251
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: and careers that that people have, and so you know

1252
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: you have to kind of earn that place to give

1253
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: your opinion. Journalism is reporting, it's fact finding, it's news gathering.

1254
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: So if that is a career that you want to pursue,

1255
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: young people, I beg you take it seriously. Get into

1256
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 2: a great JA school, learn how to do it as

1257
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: an art to sharing information, to fact finding to a

1258
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: fact checking learn it, understand it, study it, take it seriously,

1259
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: and then enter the profession and honor it as it

1260
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: should be because it has such credo in the black

1261
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: community about bearing witness and coming back and reporting what

1262
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: you've uncovered.

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Speaker 1: I feel that you remind me of like one of

1264
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: my PD professional development teachers who would always just call

1265
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: us a higher service, higher delivery. If you want to

1266
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: do this, there's some things you got to get in

1267
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: place before you get there. Yeah, I feel that. I

1268
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: often share that when I'm talking to folks about running

1269
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: for office. Look, what do you care about, what motivates you,

1270
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: what gives you that you know, fire and the abillity

1271
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: to go get it done well? My CTA, y'all one

1272
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: join me in finding a constructive way to celebrate four twenty.

1273
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: It will be my first time trying to do that

1274
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: in real form. And then I want to reiterate a

1275
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: CTA that was I think issued last week or the

1276
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: week before. I would love, love, love to keep hearing

1277
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: from you all about the kinds of ads you want

1278
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: to hear in the political season. I think it's just

1279
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: so Angela Rift real strong on, I thought was an

1280
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: ideal ad from someone putting you know, their circumstance centerfold

1281
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: and then letting that power through commercial speak for themselves.

1282
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: Put at the epicenter of the issue of I don't know,

1283
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: black inclusion, the folks who have been left out. I

1284
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: gave the example of my kids who never had a

1285
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: black teacher, and so it mattered to see a black

1286
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: person in the front of the classroom. I just saw

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Speaker 1: us because you don't know who we know. It might

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Speaker 1: that you think might be good to move, motivate and

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Speaker 1: inspire you to get to the polls. And before we

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Speaker 1: wrap this episode, y'all, we can't leave without asking.

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Speaker 1: if not exactly, two hundred days until election day.

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