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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt. It's Wednesday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful Wednesday here in Pittsburginess. It's really weird weather.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's warm during the day and then it gets chilly,

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Speaker 2: and then it gets really cold at night. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: we're living in the desert.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has been weird, but it's been really clear

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Speaker 3: and nice.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know. I never know what

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Speaker 2: to wear though. I'll put on a jacket when I

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Speaker 2: leave in the morning. Then when I go outside to

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Speaker 2: watch practice and stuff, it's too hot for the jacket.

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Speaker 3: No, I can see that.

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Speaker 2: Then when I leave the show at night, it's too

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Speaker 2: cold not to have the jacket.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm always in shorts, you know, so

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Speaker 3: that part's easy. But from the waist up. I threw

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Speaker 3: on a hoodie today and I was like, I'm hot

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Speaker 3: around the house, get right, I mean, I'm just seeing

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Speaker 3: at the house doing podcasts and stuff, Like I'm too

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Speaker 3: hot but then I'm going to the restaurant after this,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, i'd be well, you'll get chili. I'll be

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Speaker 3: walking my car at eight freezing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just don't You don't know what to wear.

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Speaker 3: Yeap, layers is a way to go, but I just

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Speaker 3: don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Layers is the way to go. And speaking of layers, segue,

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, here we go. There's some layered stuff. So

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Speaker 2: yesterday we went over the FTN Fantasy DVOA odds for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers to make the playoffs. They were at fifty

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Speaker 2: four percent.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking here at the package that the

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Speaker 2: NFL sent out, and they do this every week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's good stuff, showing you, you know, what happens with

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Speaker 2: your start, how you start the season, and what happens

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Speaker 2: if the team gets a win. They have the little charter,

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Speaker 2: so eight no seven, one, six, two, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 3: History shows you this percentage you go.

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Speaker 2: They go back to nineteen ninety with this, which is

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Speaker 2: probably a better way to do it because what happened

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Speaker 2: before nineteen ninety Really.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I would say that's if anything too far back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, you didn't have as many wild

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Speaker 2: card teams divisions different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was different a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So the Steelers sit at five and three right now.

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Speaker 2: According to the NFL, over the last since nineteen ninety sixty,

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Speaker 2: three point eight percent of the teams that were five

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Speaker 2: and three through eight weeks or nine weeks whatever have

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Speaker 2: made the playoffs. That's one hundred and eighteen out of

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five teams.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that doesn't shock me.

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Speaker 2: Teams that have won their division that started five and

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Speaker 2: three twenty nine point two percent. Goes back to what

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Speaker 2: we were talking about yesterday. Yes, the Ravens should be

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Speaker 2: an overwhelming favorite right now because they have a two

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Speaker 2: game lead over everybody else, but maybe the odds shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be quite as high as what they are.

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Speaker 3: True, Yeah, right right, I'm on board with that.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, odds won the Super Bowl one point

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Speaker 2: six percent, three out of one hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 2: teams that started five and three actually went on to

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Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: How many three?

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Speaker 2: Three?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Over that and that is a tough one because there

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Speaker 3: That's the thing I mean, like people look at like.

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Speaker 2: Three is a high percentage of three is.

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Speaker 3: Not a terrible percent. I mean, I'm theer to eight

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Speaker 3: teams are probably a zero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, it never happened.

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Speaker 3: But I mean if you're a ten per if, by chance,

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Speaker 2: Let's not forget so last year at this time, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers were two and six. Two out of one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty six teams have made the playoffs after a two.

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Speaker 3: And six six and they ended up being right on

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Speaker 3: the cusps bump away, Yeah, right on the cusp.

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Speaker 2: Two out of twenty six of those teams won their division.

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Speaker 2: So you didn't make it as a wildcard, but you

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Speaker 2: won your division. That's what I said.

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Speaker 3: You're thinking, like we were having a Bills conversation off

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Speaker 3: the air, like some of these teams, like the NFC South,

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Speaker 3: you know, like someone's going to win that division, but

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Speaker 3: none of them are have great records at the moment,

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Speaker 2: So looking at this, we mentioned the Ravens are seven

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Speaker 3: I would think it'd even higher.

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Speaker 2: You would think it'd be higher than that. So it's

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Speaker 3: Divisionally is a halfway point, right. A lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: If the Steelers get to six and three this week,

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Speaker 2: their odds go up to seventy three point one percent

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Speaker 3: The play makes playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a big jump.

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Speaker 3: That's a huge jump. That's a huge jump in a

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Speaker 3: game they're favored in. Yeah, that they should probably win.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this chart doesn't know who their opponent is.

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Speaker 3: I mean it could be the eighty five bars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean you look at so you know,

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Speaker 2: Baltimore's hosting Cleveland this week. Baltimore is a big favorite

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Speaker 2: five and four. The difference between I'm curious six and three.

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Speaker 2: It's six and three. You've got a seventy three point

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Speaker 3: It's a massive difference. First one loss, yeah, or one win.

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Speaker 2: And that five and four record is where the Bills

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, they're in trouble. They're Truman, They're they're good,

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Speaker 3: but they're really predicament right now.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about this off the air. So the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills lost that game. They needed that game against

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Speaker 3: The Bengals would been tro if they lost it.

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Speaker 2: They would have been that was really really trouble.

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Speaker 3: I bet that's the most important game of the whole

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Speaker 2: Very well might be. The Bills play a stretch coming

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Speaker 3: You said this off the air, but keep in mind,

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Speaker 3: if you get the six conference losses, you have a

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Speaker 3: really slim chance to go into the playoffs no matter

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Speaker 2: Five means you're probably gonna lose a lot of tie breakers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean if you're eleven and five and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they already have. They already sitting with four

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Speaker 2: then they host the Jets. Okay, but they lost to

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Speaker 2: the Jets without Aaron Rodgers, right, and we know division

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Speaker 2: They also then have to come out of that game

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Speaker 3: Then they have their bye which they could use that

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Speaker 2: They come out of their bye week and they go

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's spreading that game? If it's in Buffalo today?

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Speaker 2: Cowboys by two?

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Speaker 3: You think Cowboys we favored in Buffalo too. They're playing better,

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Speaker 3: they're playing better than Buffalo they are.

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Speaker 2: Then after the game against the Cowboys, they got to

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Speaker 3: Which Chargers are starting to look all right.

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Speaker 2: Then they host the Patriots, and then they finish up

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Speaker 3: Like weirdly you mentioned this off the air too. Steeler

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Speaker 3: fans might want the Chargers to win that game for

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Speaker 2: Stuff, depending on what happens with.

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Speaker 3: These other games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if the Bills lose to the Eagles and Chiefs, Eagles,

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Speaker 2: Chiefs and Cowboys, or they go one and two in those.

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Speaker 3: Games, so you get one of them.

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Speaker 2: You're Steeler fans, you probably want the Bills to beat

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Speaker 3: M Yeah, that makes sense. The Bills might be in

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Speaker 2: You know, the point being, I don't think there's two

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Speaker 2: I thought Miami and Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go with Buffalo or Miami's hot start Buffalo being

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Speaker 3: who they are and who they've been, like, oh, those

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Speaker 2: But there's some loss I mean, I don't think two

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Speaker 2: in the opener, that's a killer. They lost to the Dolls.

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Speaker 2: They beat the Dolphins, but then they lost to the

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Speaker 3: Which is probably an even game now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you lost that game to the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's England. You want to talk about some bad losses, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jets and Patriots. Bill's team has some bad losses this year.

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Speaker 3: That's a game Rogers got hurt, right yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Four plays into it and they lost that game.

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Speaker 3: You end up losing anyways.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So you know, and I think McDermott's a good coach,

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Speaker 2: but you know, he might not make it this year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they because you lost some of

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Speaker 3: Close to being good enough. And their running game's gotten

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Speaker 3: so weird too that Alan when they need yard is

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Speaker 3: Allan runs a ball, you know, which he's good at it,

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Speaker 3: but that's not how you want to be built. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so they have some some issues. If they were to

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Speaker 3: beat the Chiefs, which they certainly could, then they'll be

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Speaker 3: back in it. I'm not saying they will, but they can.

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Speaker 2: They can, They're certainly capable. But they're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: like there's there's they're gonna need to win like they

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Speaker 2: had to win last week against Cincinnatian. Didn't get it done.

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Speaker 3: But we're having this conversation about the Bengals right now

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Speaker 3: if it went the other way, if it had gone

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Speaker 3: the other way, because they both dug themselves really tough

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Speaker 2: The Steelers did last year. Yeah, so six and if

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Speaker 2: the steel can get to six and three this week,

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Speaker 2: seventy three point two percent. That's one hundred and seventeen

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Speaker 2: out of one hundred and sixty teams that have started

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Speaker 2: six and three have made the playoffs. Thirty nine point

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Speaker 2: four percent of the teams that got to six and

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Speaker 2: three won their division, and then six out of one

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Speaker 2: So teams that have started nine and there have been

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Speaker 3: You're one game below five hundred, you're gonna.

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Speaker 2: That's I think because you know, just the the it's

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Speaker 3: Then say, there's more. I feel like we say this

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Speaker 3: So in our opinion, let's build a list real quick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't make it. I mean the Jets. The

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Speaker 2: No, I think they can make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: South definitely. Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's there there's that sides easier. The Bears

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Speaker 3: no can everyone in the South still go. No, not

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Speaker 2: Carolina can't go. Even Tampa Bay can't go.

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Speaker 3: It's none of it's good. No, Arizona can't go.

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Speaker 3: I think the Rams and Vikings still can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's time to think about next year almost.

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Speaker 2: They're so bad.

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Speaker 3: Here's the schedule. They've played the Lions and everyone else

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Speaker 2: They won at Chicago in Week one, thirty eight to twenty.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so real quick, on Love, I just want to

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Speaker 2: That's not going to con He just played the Bears.

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Speaker 3: The Bears, the Falcons, I think they had like thirty

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Speaker 2: They went that in eighteen seventeen at home, that's her home.

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Speaker 2: So then they lost their next four Detroit at home

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Speaker 2: Then they lost at the Raiders seventeen thirteen.

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Speaker 2: And then this week they beat a crippled Rams team

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Speaker 3: Cut their quarterback the next day. Yeah, cut the starter

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean everyone needs to think about that.

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Speaker 2: Honest, I mean, defensively, they're not even that. No, no,

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Speaker 2: Then you get Rider and you know what that is,

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Speaker 3: last year, it's still better than Ridder and Heinike this year. Yeah. Man. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: after Saints they.

448
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Speaker 2: Got you get Road Jared Goff and got beat bad

449
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Speaker 2: and got beat bad. Yeah yeah, then you played I

450
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Speaker 2: don't even think they got Jimmy g I think they.

451
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Speaker 3: Got I think it was aid O'Connell.

452
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Speaker 2: I think it was Aidan O'Connell in that game.

453
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Speaker 3: So it wasn't a Hoyer game, was it.

454
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Speaker 2: No.

455
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Speaker 3: Next week in Chicago, they benched them.

456
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Speaker 2: Then they had their buy. Then they lost the Russ

457
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen.

458
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Speaker 3: Okay, Denver's a little better now, but that's not a

459
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Speaker 3: good loss. Yeah, like those are equal teams to me.

460
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Speaker 2: Then they lost to the Vikings twenty four to ten.

461
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Speaker 2: That was the game Cousins got hurt.

462
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Speaker 3: That's the game he got hurt. I think, right, Yeah,

463
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Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean again, Cousins is good, not great.

464
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,399
Speaker 3: Golf is good, not great.

465
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Speaker 2: But they weren't competitive in those games, not right, They

466
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Speaker 2: got to be bad fourteen points in both games they lost.

467
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Speaker 3: No, it's this team is worrisome.

468
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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, both of those games were

469
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Speaker 2: at home.

470
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Speaker 3: Which used to be a really hard player they've lost.

471
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Speaker 2: They lost four by fourteen points in home to both

472
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Speaker 2: of those teams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they would lose nine out of ten to

474
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Speaker 3: those teams. Yeah. Yeah. I mean with.

475
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Speaker 2: Cousins at home, they ain't even a bad yeah. Yeah, yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: because it's just not a daunting task right now.

477
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Speaker 3: I mean, like you'll see a lot of things when

478
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Speaker 3: you start comparing Steeler Oh and Packer Oh, that they're

479
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Speaker 3: very similar.

480
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Speaker 2: They've played two completely different schedules.

481
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Speaker 3: Couldn't be any different. Yeah, i mean one played like

482
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Speaker 3: easiest slate, one played like the hardest late and it's

483
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Speaker 3: not through two games. I mean that's a we're halfway

484
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Speaker 3: through the year. Yeah.

485
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Speaker 2: I mean they've played some really bad defenses.

486
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Speaker 3: All the way through, all the way through, all the

487
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Speaker 3: way through.

488
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Speaker 2: The best defenses they've played has was was that that

489
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Speaker 2: game against the Lions.

490
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Speaker 3: At home and they got beat up as they lost Raiders, Falcons,

491
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Speaker 3: those type of teams. Yeah, Saints, okay, but you know, yeah,

492
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Speaker 3: Denver has been the worst defense in the league.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So you look at their i mean, do you

494
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Speaker 2: look at their overall numbers, You're like, okay, they're nineteenth

495
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Speaker 2: and passing EPA a lot. Their twentieth and rushing epare

496
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Speaker 2: a lot. Then you start thinking about who they've played

497
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Speaker 2: and you're.

498
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Speaker 3: Like, oh, they should be better. It should be twelve.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right right, that they're scoring defenses like tenth,

500
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Speaker 2: But that's why because they played crap.

501
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, Like if the Browns or Ravens or

502
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Speaker 3: Niners D or frankly Steelers D played that schedule, Oh,

503
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Speaker 3: it should be fifth, you know what I mean, not tenth.

504
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree, So.

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Speaker 3: So I urged you guys the rest of the week

506
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Speaker 3: when we start talking Packers, please remember who they played,

507
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Speaker 3: because it's easy slate.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this week, if the Steelers show up and

509
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Speaker 2: play reasonable football, it shouldn't be as the easiest late,

510
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Speaker 2: but we'll see it should.

511
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Speaker 3: Be one of the Packer's hardest games so far.

512
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Speaker 2: I would think so in Pittsburgh. Without a doubt, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna get to a break. He is Matt Williamson. I

514
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Speaker 2: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive. You're on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

517
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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and this is a drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

521
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Speaker 2: And Matt looking here at Derek Clawson's quarterback power rankings

522
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Speaker 2: on the thirty third team.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I get a little.

524
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Speaker 2: I did a little research today on some of this stuff.

525
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Speaker 2: I knew we were going to talk about this. I

526
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Speaker 2: wanted to have this this stat ready, Okay, great, got

527
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Speaker 2: to it here. So look this will go from the

528
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Speaker 2: bottom up.

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Speaker 3: So he's putting like the Vito on there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has Tommy DeVito's number thirty two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he was named started today, so he should be

532
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Speaker 3: on there end. He should be thirty two.

533
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Speaker 2: I can't believe they're starting that.

534
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Speaker 3: No, no, it's unbelievable to me. I'm gonna let him throw.

535
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Speaker 2: No, no, you.

536
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Speaker 3: Might as well play with direct snap at the saquon

537
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Speaker 3: and put an extra offensive lineman out there.

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Speaker 2: So Tommy DeVito's number thirty two, number thirty one, who

539
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Speaker 2: was number twenty nine going into last week is Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 2: So both New York quarterbacks, Oh thank god, they're you know,

541
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Speaker 2: I'm they're always on national always on National TV. That's fantastic. Yeah,

542
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Speaker 2: thank you. Is Zach Wilson really that bad? He's pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there's no Jalen Halls. I mean,

544
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Speaker 3: he's not better than he's better than Badge it though,

545
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Speaker 3: I mean t Bag's pretty bad.

546
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Okay, so you know my stat quarterback fumbles.

547
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a hunt. You're going there with this because.

548
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Speaker 2: Zach Wilson has fumbled eight times?

549
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Speaker 3: Has he really yeah good?

550
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Speaker 2: Which isn't doesn't lead the league? That's actually a tie.

551
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Speaker 3: For third third most third most. Ok and he's played

552
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Speaker 3: basically every snap, but it's a lot.

553
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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically I won a game that you're putting on

554
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Speaker 2: the ground.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not good. And it's not a feather in

556
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Speaker 3: his cap. I just wonder. I'm not even giving c

557
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Speaker 3: loss On a hard time. If t Bag was the

558
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Speaker 3: second pick in the draft and Wilson was an undrafted

559
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Speaker 3: free agent, might we flip them?

560
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Speaker 2: Maybe? Maybe if we didn't have to see him on

561
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Speaker 2: national television all week time? Right, you know that might

562
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Speaker 2: have something to do with it. Badging is number thirty.

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Speaker 2: He was thirty two going into last week. He has

564
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Speaker 2: to be above the video The Vito.

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Speaker 3: He's above the Vito. Yeah yeah, I mean I didn't

566
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Speaker 3: think t Bag was gonna be twenty.

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Speaker 2: At twenty nine down from twenty six is Gardner Minshew.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he's a professional quarterback that gets more

569
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Speaker 3: and more exposed. They're not a bad team or a

570
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Speaker 3: bad offense.

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Speaker 2: Though it was four point nine yards per a ten minutes.

572
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Speaker 3: He does also not have to do a lot.

573
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Speaker 2: They're not asking him to do anything.

574
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot of taming me.

575
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Speaker 2: You look at Michael Pittman's stat line every week and

576
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Speaker 2: it's like eight for sixty two.

577
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Speaker 3: Same with downs. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: At twenty eight down from twenty four is Kenny Pickett.

579
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Speaker 2: Here's what he has to say. I know the Steelers

580
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Speaker 2: are winning games. I know Kenny Pickett makes some plays

581
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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, but I cannot get over the

582
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Speaker 2: down to down inconsistency. Inconsistency with this offense, and Pickett

583
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Speaker 2: is the source of that. Pickett has a thirty nine

584
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Speaker 2: point two percent success rate this season. I don't know

585
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Speaker 2: what that means, No I do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's that's a that's a consistency stat you know,

587
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Speaker 3: like on first down, are you getting four yards or more?

588
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Speaker 3: On second down? Are you getting half the down and

589
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Speaker 3: distance remains okay? On third down? Are you converting?

590
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Speaker 2: Among quarterbacks with at least one hundred attempts, only Zach Wilson,

591
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Speaker 2: mac Jones, and Ryan Tanneyhill are worse. Well, he has

592
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Speaker 2: mac Jones much higher on this list, which doesn't make

593
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Speaker 2: sense to me.

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Speaker 3: If that's there's no way mac Jones is not playing

595
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Speaker 3: Pickett the fourth quarter. No, yeah, he does mass that.

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Speaker 2: Matters to her. But right two of these guys are playing.

597
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: Two of those guys are playing behind some of the

598
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Speaker 2: worst offensive line in the league, and the other is Wilson.

599
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Speaker 2: That's terrible company to keep for a second year quarterback

600
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Speaker 2: with decent weapons to throw to.

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Speaker 3: Wilson's playing behind one of the worst lines in the league.

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Speaker 2: I still think pick can turn things around. He's a

603
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Speaker 2: better He's a plus athlete with an NFL arm and

604
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Speaker 2: flashes some awesome playmaking ability, but the consistency has to

605
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Speaker 2: improve by a lot.

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Speaker 3: Now, I agree with a lot of those words. I

607
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Speaker 3: don't think i'd have him this low, though.

608
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Speaker 2: Can you pick at this season? Has thrown four interceptions

609
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Speaker 2: none in his last one hundred and twenty four attempts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, he has a game streak going one hundred.

611
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Speaker 2: And twenty four straight attempts without an interception. He's also

612
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Speaker 2: only fumbled once this season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that yeah, so he I mean, is he hurting

614
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Speaker 3: the team?

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Speaker 2: You know, the guys who there There are only three

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the league who have played more than one

617
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Speaker 2: hundred more than a hundred temps who have fewer.

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Speaker 3: Than one or fewer fumbles. Okay, nobody has zero. Nobody

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Speaker 3: has zero. So I mean it happens with some regular.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, which was kind of surprising to me, But

621
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Speaker 2: he's not a guy that puts the ball in harms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He also doesn't have as many snaps as Kenny.

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Speaker 2: You know and Dak Prescott that used to be the

624
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Speaker 2: b Prescott he fumbled the ball up.

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Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't have guessed him either, But I do

626
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Speaker 3: think Dak's having a pretty good year. Interesting. I mean,

627
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Speaker 3: the down to down stuff with Kenny, I think is indisputable.

628
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of mis receivers.

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Speaker 2: He's missed some receivers, there's no doubt, but valuing the football.

630
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Speaker 2: But to me higher than twenty eighth exactly, you're the

631
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Speaker 2: reason why your team is capable of winning these games

632
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Speaker 2: because you're not losing them exactly.

633
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Speaker 3: I mean I wrote an article about this just a

634
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Speaker 3: week ago. I mean that the Steelers are excelling at

635
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Speaker 3: not losing games.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of a quarterback stat.

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Speaker 3: It is it is, I mean turnovers, things like that,

638
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: making field goals, not throwing you know, I'm sure they're

639
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: coaching Kenny to be risk adverse. Yes, I mean, and

640
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Speaker 3: when in doubt, either throw it in the seats or

641
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: check driving. Yeah, yeah, don't drive it into triple coverage.

642
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Speaker 3: Fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: We have to lose that out, which leads you to

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00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: that some of that thirty nine point two percent. If

645
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna look, take a look at your first read.

646
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: If it's not there, check it down now.

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Speaker 3: If you're clossing, you don't care that he had bad

648
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: ribs last week. I mean, Herbert's got a broken finger.

649
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like, yeah, they're all dealing with something at

650
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: this word.

651
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: But last week doesn't help. Well, maybe it does in

652
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: terms of success rate because he was completing a lot

653
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Speaker 3: I mean the sideways stuff. You know, it's a little harsh,

654
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Speaker 3: but okay.

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Speaker 2: At twenty seventy is will Levis I can't go there yet.

656
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Speaker 2: I don't know where you put him. I can't go

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Speaker 2: there yet.

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Speaker 3: I was impressed with him against the Steelers. I thought

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Speaker 3: he was overrated in the first one. I mean, I

660
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Speaker 3: don't know that he's a better player right this minute

661
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Speaker 3: than pick It, but he's promising at twenty six. Is

662
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Speaker 3: Aiden flipping O'Connell Like.

663
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Speaker 2: That's that's where i's that's malpracticed by him.

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Speaker 3: Like even just putting O'Connell versus Levis, one of them

665
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Speaker 3: is way more gifted, way more, way harder to play against.

666
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: Just put it that.

667
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ask DeVante Adams what he thinks of Aidan

668
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: o'connellan he's not getting the football the entire game.

669
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I know they won big this past week

670
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: against a terrible team, but he didn't. He threw for

671
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: like two hundred thirteen yards.

672
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't impressive.

673
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he's fine for a fourth round pick or

674
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: fifth round pick.

675
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: At twenty five. He has Taylor Heineke.

676
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: Who I was mentioned last segment, how bad his accuracy

677
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: has been not the Kenny's has been great. But I

678
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: mean I'd put Levis over Heineke. I'd put pick It

679
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: over heineke, heinekey be closer to like twenty nine.

680
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: Here's where I get a room.

681
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna have a love conversation here.

682
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: At twenty four, up from twenty seven, he has Josh Dobbs.

683
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: Now here's the staff for you.

684
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Dobbs.

685
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: Is one and nine in his career as a starter.

686
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: I love Josh Dobbs, sure, but he's one and nine

687
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: in his career as a starter.

688
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: Which doesn't count.

689
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: Last week came up. He leads NFL quarterbacks this year,

690
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: leads the league actually in fumbles. He has eleven in

691
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: nine games.

692
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: And he's not good enough to get away with that.

693
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: If Brett fav leads the league interceptions, I can live

694
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: you can live with it, you know what I mean.

695
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: But Josh Dobbs has to play close to the vest.

696
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: He's so smart, you know that kind of stuff.

697
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: Not good. What he did was really cool. Yeah, it

698
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: was really cool. He'll get ten more years in the

699
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: NFL because.

700
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt about it. He'll play as long

701
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: as he wants.

702
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: But he's learned that one in nine in his career

703
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: as a starter.

704
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Vikings fans are going to quickly find out this.

705
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: I can see why people trade him a lot.

706
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's eleven fumble.

707
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy. And he hasn't played nearly as much as.

708
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: That shouldn't matter, and it's it's just never factored into this.

709
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: It's the next name.

710
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: It's never a factor in the quarterback play.

711
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: No, I think I think it's a good suggestion, and

712
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: Jordan Love should have been listed.

713
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: By now at twenty three down from twenty one. Is

714
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: Bryce Young. He's had a really Bryce Young is not

715
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: playing better than Kenny Pickett.

716
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: He's had one good game that was against the Texans

717
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: two weeks.

718
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: Ago and they scored seventeen points and it wasn't that impressive. Yeah,

719
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: it wasn't that good. No, he looks like a very

720
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: two pick six is last week.

721
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: Even if you love them coming out of school, you

722
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 3: can't say what he's done in the NFL level is

723
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: better than a couple of those guys imagined.

724
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: Now, winning the games matter should matter too. Who would you.

725
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: Put I mean this is kind of a goofy question,

726
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: but who would you put Bryce Young or Heineke? Yeah, like,

727
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: right now, Heineke might be the better player. Yeah, because

728
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: he's been around the block and he knows what he's doing.

729
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: He's not good.

730
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: But so according to this the way he has these

731
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: guys ranked, if the Steelers had Bryce Young right now

732
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: as opposed to Kenny Pickett, they'd be a better team.

733
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: They'd be better or for that matter, fumble dude, we

734
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: just talked about the market better. Yeah, they would not

735
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: be better.

736
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: They'd they'd be two and six right now.

737
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: If there if Josh Dobbs is playing quarterback for him,

738
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: he lost eleven, had eleven fumbles. Yeah, maybe it's complete

739
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: to go along with his like six interceptions, so people

740
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: will figure this out real quick. But Love and Picket

741
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: are at the bottom the league and completion percentage, but

742
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: Dobbs is right there too. Yeah, I mean that it's

743
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: kind of a misnomer, like it wouldn't be like boy

744
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: he hit although we'll think about all those times Dobbs

745
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: would have connected with pickings that he missed. Well, No,

746
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: his completion is just as best as except he's fumbling

747
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: every other snap.

748
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: At twenty two. Deshaun Watson. I've heard people talk about

749
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson's game last week. He was nineteen or thirty

750
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: for two hundred and nineteen yards and two touchdowns with

751
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: no picks in a game they weren't challenged at all. Yeah, yeah, Well,

752
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson's really turning the corner here, is he?

753
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 3: I will say about Clawson though, like preseason lists, Watson

754
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: was even lower than this, Like he killed Watson. He's

755
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: a tough one to rank.

756
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: Here you go, all but eight of Watson's throws were

757
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: within five yards of the line of scrimmage.

758
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, he's not doing a whole lot of it.

759
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: So he's throwing the ball sideways.

760
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: You know, he's I'm not going to by any means

761
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: say last week puts him over the hump. But he's

762
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: not exactly in Montana elway. But he's not either, you know, right,

763
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: he's not.

764
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: But I've heard people talk about him like, oh, he's

765
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: moving forward. They're in great shape now quarterback. He looks

766
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: like his old self. The shoulders heeled. I don't know

767
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: about that.

768
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: These kind of conversations. I love to look at it

769
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: as who would I rather play against? You know, like

770
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: I do this all time with like Hall of famers

771
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: like Tory Holt's a tremendous player, but I'd rather play

772
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: against him than Calvin Johnson. You know what I mean.

773
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: Would you rather play against Levis or Watson? I think

774
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: I'd rather play against Watson one game. You gotta win

775
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: the game, and in that man.

776
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: I'd probably rather play against Levis just because of his inexperience.

777
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to me, that's about where Watson's at.

778
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: Though he's dangerous, he's talented. You can see the trade.

779
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: He hasn't been dangerous since he came back to Yeah

780
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: at twenty one up from twenty two. Sam Howe, I

781
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: think he's my favorite so far. They throw a lot,

782
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: they throw every down.

783
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's Kansas City West.

784
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: It used to be.

785
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: If you, if you, the sacks are starting to come down.

786
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: Finally, I firmly believe that if you let Kenny pick

787
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: a drop back, he fifty one dropbacks last week. If

788
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: Kenny pick a drop back to pass fifty one times,

789
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: he would put up three hundred yards.

790
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: I agree with.

791
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Those weapons and in the same weapons and all that.

792
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: Oh and that many dropbacks, and we need you to throw,

793
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: and if you throw.

794
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: The Steelers don't want to play that way.

795
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: Like I don't think the Steelers would have as good

796
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: a record with how No. You know, I think I'm

797
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: not sure Kenny would have as good as stats as how,

798
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: but it'd be a lot better if he was a commander.

799
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: They might have an extra win or two maybe because

800
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Yeah, anyways, but.

801
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: In terms of that back to being tough to play against.

802
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: When he misses throws, he's not hard tough to play against,

803
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: but when he never hands you on at midfield and

804
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: gives you three easy points, yeah, that makes things you

805
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: can't screw up then, right? You know? Is Jordan love

806
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: Love and Pickett's numbers are like the same. But back

807
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: to the first segment, who's played? Is so much love us?

808
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: Throwing way more interceptions? I think he is eight. Yeah,

809
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: he has eight interceptions.

810
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: He's there all recently.

811
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 2: He's also fumbled five times this year.

812
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: Okay, so I think all I think all of his

813
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: interceptions have come four times.

814
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, four times four give one extra one.

815
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: All of his interceptions have come cenamore yards downfield, and

816
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: they're all recent.

817
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: He had none through three weeks.

818
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, any last week, so they were all basically four

819
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: the last five weeks or whatever. Yeah, And it's a problem.

820
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: They throw deep a lot and he's bad at it.

821
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, other than that, right right at nineteen, up a

822
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: spot mac Jones, And.

823
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: We have enlisted a lot of great guys, but I'm

824
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 3: would not have mac Jones. Is what eighteenth? Did he say?

825
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: Nineteenth?

826
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: Nineteenth? Yeah, I think I can come up with twenty

827
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: quarterbacks or other than mac Jones. Yeah, I got a

828
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: whole lot of a whole lot of.

829
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: Fight at eighteen Baker Mayfield.

830
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: Okay, is he really any different than Heineke? No at

831
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: this stage. I mean one was perst pick overall and

832
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: one had no track record. But they're kind the same guy.

833
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: This version of Mayfield is funny. He's tough and aggressive

834
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. Yeah, he doesn't win games.

835
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: Doesn't win games. Yeah, everyone will try to replace him.

836
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: Seventeen's Russell Wilson. That's down a spot.

837
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: I think he's playing better this year though he is. Yeah,

838
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: I mean I have a problem with that.

839
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: Sixteen is Derek Carr.

840
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: I mean, take a chance once in a while.

841
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: Fifteen is brock Party.

842
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: Okay, he was higher than that.

843
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: Brock Party's up to six fumbles this year, and he's

844
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: throwing interceptions now it's part of the interception thing, right, Yeah,

845
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: that's part of the problem for the forty nine. He's

846
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: got three interceptions the last two games, and he's fumbled

847
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: six times for the season.

848
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: We've brought this up a lot with Party, but his

849
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: rookie year he had remarkable interception lock. Yeah, I mean

850
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: it's starting to catch up. He start to catch up

851
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: with him.

852
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Jared Goff at fourteen, that's down from twelve.

853
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: I think he's clearly the best guy we've mentioned yet.

854
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: Thirteen down from eleven is Tua Okay.

855
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: I know Derek's not super blown away with Tua because

856
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: he does certain things but doesn't do everything.

857
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: I would have him ahead of this. Next guy. Twelve

858
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: is Gino Smith down.

859
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: For Yeah, I would have two or three of them.

860
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: Ihead of Gino.

861
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Eleven he brings in Kyler Murray.

862
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: Who knows, but I'm excited to see him. Yeah, I

863
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: have no idea.

864
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tennis c J. Stroud, that's up from thirteen.

865
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that the way he's playing right now. Yeah.

866
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: Nine is Jalen Hurts holding steady.

867
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: I'm not doubting Stroud, but I'd like, let's see ten

868
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: games of it, let's see fifteen, you know. Yeah, I'm impressed.

869
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: With him. Yeah.

870
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: Who is Nine is Jalen Hurts.

871
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: Okay, a little rough on Hurts, but okay. Eight is

872
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford playing great. His completion percentage is very low too, Yeah,

873
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: which shocks.

874
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: But he's the two guys.

875
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has a very high degree of difficulty

876
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: throw too.

877
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: Seven is Joe Burrow.

878
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: He'd be higher, he'd be two from me.

879
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's up from eight last week.

880
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I know he's judging on the

881
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: here and now, but some of these guys you got

882
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: to realize. I mean, I don't play against Joe Burrow.

883
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: Six is Dak Prescott, fine, good bye. Too is lost

884
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: too is fumbled eight times, same number as Zach Wilson.

885
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: He's known for it. I mean when he gets hit

886
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: in the pocket, bad things happen, he gets hurt, fumbles,

887
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: you know, it's like a train wreck.

888
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: Five is Justin Herbert.

889
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's had a down game or two though in

890
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 3: the last month. I mean he's got a bone coming

891
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: through his right finger or left middle finger.

892
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 2: But uh. Seven is Trevor Lawrence. Okay, he's fumbled six

893
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: times this year.

894
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't chuck me.

895
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

896
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

897
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: Three is in Josh Allen who hasn't fumbled as much

898
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: this year. He's been he's been great. Last year he

899
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: had he had like fifteen.

900
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a lot of turnovers in his career period.

901
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: He still throws the interceptions that you.

902
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: Guys was I think they're always going to be in

903
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: his DNA.

904
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: That leaves Lamar at two. Really well, Lamar has only

905
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: thrown three interceptions this year, But Lamar has fumbled ten times?

906
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: Has he really ten times?

907
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: You're not kind of by fumbles loss, you're just fumbled

908
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: the ball out of your hands.

909
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: He's fumbled ten times, he's lost six, So he's turned

910
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: the ball over nine times.

911
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously runners are going to fumble more, but

912
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: tends way too many.

913
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: Tens, way too many right right? That it led directly

914
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: to the loss against the Steelers. He had an interception

915
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: and lost a fumble that led to the Steelers beating

916
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: them seventeen to ten.

917
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I can live with a higher number

918
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: of fumbles from runners, but it can't be a running

919
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: back plus a quarterback number.

920
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, have twenty fumbles that year. That too many, and

921
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: some of it's that you know, he almost lost one

922
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: last game. Watching that game, and it's it's the mesh

923
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: point stuff where they're they're doing the option stuff and

924
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: they're putting different backs in there with him constantly, and

925
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: he's and in there and he's pulling it out and

926
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: the back's keeping a hold of it and then.

927
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: Bog goes on the ground one of the you know,

928
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: Mitchell's a lot different than Edwards and yeah, right, and

929
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: that leaves Pat mahomes and he'd have to do a

930
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: lot to fall from number one. Yore right, Absolutely understandable.

931
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: But that's the that's the list there. From Derek Clausen

932
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: on the thirty third team, we're gonna get to another break.

933
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening

934
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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

935
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Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

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941
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942
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948
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: we have the injury reports here.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've been anxiously awaiting Green Bays. I have a

950
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 3: feeling I'm not optimistic about from a packer's perspective.

951
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: No, it's a long list here, is it good?

952
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

953
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: Jaire Alexander we were just talking about him off the air. Uh.

954
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: He has a shoulder and did not participate. Shoulder injury.

955
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I think I thought he played every

956
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: snap last week.

957
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: He may just be nurse and something.

958
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: Okay.

959
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark with a shoulder injury. He was limited.

960
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so he was out there a little bit.

961
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: But it's a shoulder injury because he left.

962
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: The game and did not come back. But they were

963
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: winning big.

964
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: Rudy Ford of safety as a calf injury, he was limited.

965
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: Elkton Jenkins has a knee and was limited.

966
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: That's their best lineman.

967
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Aaron Jones with the hamstring was limited.

968
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: I think that's just him. Then we get to yosh Neheman.

969
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 3: Who starting.

970
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: He's their starting left. He's got a back issue and

971
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: did not participate.

972
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: Okay, him and Clark were ones I thought were unlikely

973
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: to play US Steelers.

974
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: Maybe Clark will John Runyon, starting guard with a neck,

975
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: did not participate. Kway Walker with a groin, did not participate.

976
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: Christian Watson, however, with the back injury, they just listed

977
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: as the back. Now he was a full participant.

978
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: I know his concussion stuff got cleared. Yeah, not as

979
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: bad as I thought for them.

980
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: I feel like two offensive linemen offensive line starting offensive

981
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: line problematically, well three three total if you consider Jenkins

982
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: there as well.

983
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: Right, Jenkins sounds like there's a good chance he plays,

984
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: but who knows. But I mean the other two could

985
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: be a problem.

986
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: Is jy R. Alexander doesn't play.

987
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: It's a problem, huge problem. Kway Walker is an interesting

988
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: one too. I can't remember if he played last week

989
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: or not. I need to double check that because he's

990
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: been fighting stuff. He's got some length and athleticism to him.

991
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: And yeah, first round pick for the Steelers.

992
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: On the Steelers side of things, micka Fitzpatrick did not participate.

993
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 2: I didn't think he would, nor did Montres. I don't

994
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: think so. But you know, I'd never say never with

995
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: great athletes like they may not feel like they need to.

996
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: I don't know who i'd push them, especially with Cam back.

997
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, Montrevius Adams with the ankle did not participate.

998
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: That was kind of expected as well.

999
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: Behind that one Tomorrow limited with the.

1000
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: Knee was Landon Roberts and Cam Heyward was limited with

1001
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: the groin. It just that's there's a that's a maintenance.

1002
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 3: Thing, Okay. And Roberts at first, I've heard of anything

1003
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: with him.

1004
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: It'll be fine.

1005
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: I would be shocked if that one's lingering. They can't

1006
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: afford another linebacker injury though.

1007
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: No, they can't. I don't expect that to be an issue.

1008
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: An issue, Okay, not bad.

1009
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: So that's the Steelers injury report heading into this game

1010
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: against Packers and vice versa. But overall, I mean again,

1011
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: I just keep looking at this, this Packers team and.

1012
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I mean, what do they do well? It

1013
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: should be noted that on opening day, and I assume

1014
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: it's very close to being true if it still isn't,

1015
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: they were the youngest roster in the entire league. You know,

1016
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: that's that's by design. I mean, all their past all

1017
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: their pass catchers, and even their quarterback might be not

1018
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: a twenty year old, but he's hardly played. So their

1019
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 3: whole passing game is very, very unproven. There's talent there,

1020
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 3: but it's very unproven. And it shows they keep drafting

1021
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: defense like crazy. So all those guys are reasonably young,

1022
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, so I think that they know

1023
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: this is a rebuild, post Rogers type of year. But

1024
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what their strengths are. There's not many. No,

1025
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: I mean, look, they rushed, the pass are okay, they

1026
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: pass protect pretty well, but I mean they're not horrible

1027
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: at things either. But I mean, I don't think they're

1028
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: one of the worst teams in the league. But I

1029
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: think they're the tier above the worst teams in the league.

1030
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think they're there with the Raiders.

1031
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they're not the Giants.

1032
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: No, No, they're not that, right, right, not that.

1033
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're like the Raiders or Denver or team

1034
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: like that.

1035
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: And this is a team that you don't want to

1036
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: start slow against.

1037
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: They start so slow, they start so and the Steelers

1038
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: starts slow. That's a really interesting the.

1039
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: Packers are averaging in the first half of their games

1040
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: four point five points per game.

1041
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: I know.

1042
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean the Steelers are at six point nine.

1043
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: So people think the Steelers starts slow. This is insane.

1044
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yards per play for the Packers in the first

1045
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: half three point nine. The Steelers are at four point one,

1046
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: which is not good. No, three point nine.

1047
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: But they're worse. I mean they make a big jump

1048
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: after halftime. Yeah, but their first half, the first half

1049
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: is gonna be big, like, could be six to two

1050
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: after half half. Times.

1051
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think if you're the Steelers, you'd like to

1052
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: be at up, you know, ten to three or ten,

1053
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: you know, something like that.

1054
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: More team, it would be huge.

1055
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: Total yards per first half, it's awful for them. One

1056
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: oh two point one for the Packers, one ten point

1057
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: four for the Steelers.

1058
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean think about that.

1059
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: Passing yards for first for first half. The Steelers are

1060
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 2: at seventy five point one, which is obviously very low.

1061
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: The Packers are fifty three, fifty three.

1062
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they come out fifty three. They go into half

1063
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: on pace to throw for one hundred and sixty yards

1064
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: per game. I mean it's hard, man, I mean, it

1065
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: is hard to be that slow in the first half,

1066
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: and that both these teams are Could it be the

1067
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: opposite this week or that both It's going to be

1068
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: really slow, it's the first half. Could be hard to watch.

1069
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what to expect.

1070
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect either, but I will

1071
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: say the Steelers came out last week against the Tennessee

1072
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: Titans and scored on their opening drive. Looks a lot

1073
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: better if you can do that against this team.

1074
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: It's a long way, especially.

1075
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: Looking at the offensive lineman that they may be missing.

1076
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: Plus Love is so much worse under pressure too.

1077
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they haven't faced a pass rush like

1078
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: that of the Steelers.

1079
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: No, and he doesn't deal with pressure well at all.

1080
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: And they alignment out. You know, the Steelers line is

1081
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: going to be healthy, and they could play with some

1082
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: sort of a lead go a really long way. And

1083
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: they're very Aaron Jones dependent.

1084
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: And if you can take him out of the game,

1085
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: not completely, can he catch his passage.

1086
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put some yardage up. But yeah, I mean,

1087
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: but he's their most important offensive player, which isn't exactly

1088
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: how you want to be set up.

1089
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: No, No, not in today's NFL.

1090
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 3: No, We're going to get to another break.

1091
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: Hey Matt Williamson, I am Dale. Lollett, you're listening to

1092
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: the Drive. We'll be back with our number two right

1093
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: after this