1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to betting pros. It's time to place 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: your bets. It's bet Joey, p Joe Pi Zapia and 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: this is BP NFL. Joining me as always every Thursday 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: is the Undertaker himself, Andrew Erickson and Terrell Furman Junior, 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: and we're gonna go through and look at the best 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: bets for the week. For Week twelve, we got some 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: buys or we got plenty of football to bet on. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: And I gotta take the temperature because you're the one 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: person I haven't talked to about this yet, Terrell Furman, 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: You're New York Giants. They're starting Tommy DeVito, my Pizano. 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: How do you feel about the change of QB. 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: Well, I just have a simple question. If Daniel Jones 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: was so bad, how bad is Tommy DeVito that he. 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Was the third quarterback? And that's a good question. 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: Things may not be looking up, but you know what, 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: I'm perfectly fine losing as long as Daniel Jones is 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: in street clothes. And I don't even want him with 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: a headset in his ear. I don't want that energy 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: around any of my quarterbacks right now, simboy is I 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: want everybody to know and time of recording, Tim Boyle 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: is getting third QB reps over Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: is getting the fourth reps in practice after Tim Boyle, 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: who we just signed yesterday. So uh yeah, I am 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: very much, very much on the Faye Daniel Jones train. 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: And what is fourth team QB reps? Yeah, I look 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: like a one time. 27 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: He's with the practice squad guys getting a couple throws 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: just very very far away from the first team perhaps, Yeah, 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, but stout the same quarterback from Baker 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: and scout Saint Baker for us. 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, let's jump right into it. Let's 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: go right into it because your first pick, Torell is 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the Giants Bucks game. Yeah, the total for this game 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: is forty one and a half. So let's just talk 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: about your first pick because you went right after this one. 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Where do you see this one living at the end 37 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: of the day, getting Mike Evans returning to this game. 38 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: We know the struggles of the secondary so far this year, 39 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: giving up a ton of yards to opposing quarterbacks for 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But again it's Tommy DeVito playing quarterback, 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know how much you want to put 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: into that. So forty one and a half, where do 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: you lie? 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I am on the Giants and the Bucks 45 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: to go under forty one and a half here. I 46 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: think that this is a good spot where the Giants 47 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: defense is going to get be able to get up. 48 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: Kevon Thibodeau was talking about it in an interview and 49 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: they asked him about Daliel Jones and he was like, 50 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: hey man, when you're two and eight, nobody's job is secure, 51 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: So we all have to go out there and play well. 52 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: And I think that him coming back from that injury 53 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: and this defensive line and how good they've been over 54 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: the course of the season. They're second in the league 55 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: in sacks right now behind Denver, and so I think 56 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: that this is a good spot where they can take 57 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: advantage of the offensive line of the Bucks. But also, 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: I mean, this is Todd Bowles versus a younger quarterback here, 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: so I think that he's going to bring the blitz. 60 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: He's going to show a bunch of different looks and 61 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: try to get to Vito off his game. And even 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: though I do think the Giants will be able to 63 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 2: move the ball from twenty to twenty when they get 64 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: around the red zone. That's where I have the question mark. 65 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: So I think that it's gonna be a lot of 66 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: Feeld goals on both sides here. Forty one and a 67 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: half just feels like a lot of points for our 68 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: game that I think is a lot closer to, like, 69 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, a sixteen seventeen type of game rather 70 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: than over there in the twenties by boat team. I 71 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: don't think either team gets it's twenty here. 72 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew Ericksson. That being said, do you see this 73 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: being a one side of affair, because I know you've 74 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: got some feelings about this Bucks Giants game too. 75 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm taking the Buccaneers. Give me the Bucks minus 76 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: five and a half. I'm going to bet against Tommy 77 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: DeVito hot take Tommy Cutletz. So for me, I for me, 78 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: it's not even all about him necessarily too, It's about 79 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: how much I like the Buccaneers. I like them on 80 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: the road eleven and three against the spread on the 81 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: road under Baker Mayfield since he's became a Tampa Bay 82 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: buccaneer this year, they're three and one against the spread 83 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: on the road. They're only loss and the time they 84 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: didn't cover was in overtime against the Falcons, so a 85 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: very close game that could have gone either way that 86 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: went into overtime. So I think the Buccaneers don't necessarily 87 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: get their respect that they deserve when they're playing on 88 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: the road. I think they can have success rushing the football. 89 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: It's really been the Giants defense. He has talked about 90 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: the defensive line in terms of pass rush, but they 91 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: have been giving them a lot of rushing production. So 92 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: with Bucky Irving, with Rashad White, I think that the 93 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: Buccaneers can run the ball effectively, and I think they 94 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: can mitigate the Giants pass rush enough because what does 95 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield do so well in this offense? Gets the 96 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: ball quick, gets it to Kate Onten, gets it to 97 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: the other receivers, and they're getting Mike Evans back Like 98 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: that's a huge factor. He's a huge red zone weapon 99 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: for Buccaneers. 100 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: Square if you want a free square Mike Evans any 101 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: time touchdown? Sweet, yeah, just plug it in free free square. 102 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: What is the number on that too? Just out of curiosity, 103 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: like I imagine it's minus, but I'm curious if it's 104 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: even up yet. In some plass I'm looking on Betting 105 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: Pros right now, by the way, should download the app 106 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: wherever you get your apps, and you get the free 107 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: trial of premium when you do anytime touchdown. Looks like 108 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: the consensus number on Betting Pros is plus one fifty boys. 109 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, immediate free square, immediate free square it is. 110 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 3: And then on the giant side. So with Tommy DeVito, 111 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: I know that yes, last year was on fun. You know, 112 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: he's doing all these cool things with the cutlets and 113 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: all this stuff, and he went pretty well again as 114 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: the starter. He was three and three, he was four 115 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: and two against the spread. But when you look at 116 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: those actual games and what he did, he only had 117 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 3: two hundred passing yards one time, and it was against 118 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 3: the Commanders when their defense, when every single quarterback they 119 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: faced was giving up three hundred plus passing yards, and 120 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: he had an egregious pressure to sack rate. He almost 121 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: got sacked on forty percent of his pressures. What do he sacks? 122 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: Do? 123 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: They kill drives? So I'm not as optimistic that that 124 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: the Giants office is really going to be able to 125 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: move the ball effectively, even though Tampa Bay has not 126 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: been un great on defense, and when you look at 127 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: the games that they had won when Divido was the starter. 128 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 3: Last year, the Giants defense generated sixteen turnovers over his 129 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: six starts, so they had a plus eleven turnover margin. 130 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: So unless the Giants defense was really creating a lot 131 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: of opportunities for the Giants offense, they weren't covering the 132 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: spread and they weren't having success. So as good as 133 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: the Giants defense have been in terms of pass rush, 134 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: I think that the Buccaneers have the offensive philosophy and 135 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: system that kind of mitigates what the Giants can do best, 136 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: especially from a pass rush perspective. So I'm cool points 137 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: with the Bucks five and a half. 138 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: All right, The next wager here for the best best 139 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: for Week twelve goes back to Tourell. We're going to 140 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: talk about the Tennessee Titans of the Houston Texans. The 141 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: Texans at home seven and four. Uh, starting to, you know, 142 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: hopefully put things together. Getting Nico Collins back certainly a 143 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: big one. They beat up on the Cowboys last week, 144 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: but that's what everybody does. And then there's the two 145 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: and eight Tennessee Titans going on the road here. We've 146 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: had quarterback issues all season long. They have some defense 147 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: though too, and I wonder how much that plays into 148 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: your thought process. Tourell here with this total again, forty 149 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: and a half, is this number? Do you want to 150 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: go over or under this? Yeah? 151 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: I am going under, like under forty and a half here. 152 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: Both of these two teams bottom in the league in 153 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: terms of saxel out. I think that's going to be 154 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: the big factor in this game. Is the pressure that 155 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans can generate on CJ. Stroud And why 156 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: why has CJ. Stroud not looked as good over the 157 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: past really this entire season, but specifically over the past 158 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: number of weeks despite getting wins, is the fact that 159 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: they've been constantly able to get pressure on him. He 160 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: constantly feels like, hey there's pressure, this is closing out. 161 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: And I think personally he doesn't trust this offensive line anymore. 162 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: That's what it is for me. He doesn't trust the 163 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: offensive line. He's trying to make quick throws. He's trying 164 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: to make the right read and get the ball out 165 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: fast because he doesn't want to take that hit. And nonetheless, 166 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: either it's not open for him or he makes the 167 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: wrong decision. It those interceptions time around, and so I 168 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: think that the Titans can actually turn the ball over. 169 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: Make this Sexans team turn the ball over in this game. 170 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: I think that they're going to struggle moving the ball. 171 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: I see a lot of punts to three and outs 172 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball. I think the Texans 173 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: are going to go ahead and get the job done. 174 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's going to be pretty. I 175 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: think it's going to be ugly before it looks good. 176 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: So I like an under forty and a half. Both 177 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: of these two teams, I think are going to run 178 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: the ball, run a lot of plays, kill a lot 179 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: of clock, and not put a lot of points on board. 180 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: All right, Andrew Eerckson. Ever since you decide to get 181 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: out of the business of the Carolina Panthers, Well, the 182 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers went on a streak, so clearly it's you. 183 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: You were the problem. It was you. They are now 184 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: a three win team, which makes me nervous because I 185 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: don't want them to win any more games because I have, 186 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 1: you know, the under on them for the season. So look, 187 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: they're probably going to get their buck kicked by Kansas City. 188 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: That's what Vegas thinks. It's ten and a half in 189 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: many markets, some even have it at eleven right now, 190 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: but that is a lot of points for a Chiefs 191 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: team that again hasn't been blowing people out. However, this 192 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: is the Carolina Panthers. So, Andrew, I know it's been 193 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: a rough couple weeks having to watch this from AFAR, 194 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: But you're diving back into the Carolina Panthers team, are 195 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: you not. 196 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: Yes, I am. Carol Panthers. Give me all the points 197 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: that they get at home, because I'm just trusting the 198 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: process here. I'm always going to take home teams getting 199 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: double digit points playing at home, especially when it's against 200 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs. Like you allude to, Joe, they 201 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: don't care. They're not trying to beat the Panthers by ten, fourteen, 202 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: twenty one points. They just want to win the game 203 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: and go home like that's all they care about doing. 204 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: So away teams laying ten and a half points in 205 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: two thousand and three forty two percent against the spread. 206 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: So again, I'm looking for process plays here. It's just 207 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: good process too. Better of the teams that are getting 208 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: this many points playing at home. Look at the Chiefs 209 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: this year. Seven of the chiefs nine wins the season 210 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: have been close games go looting to your point, where 211 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: they don't blow teams out as a road favorite. Chiefs 212 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 3: seven nine and one against the spread. The last time 213 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: the Chiefs played a team with the rest advantage was 214 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos because they were coming off a Monday 215 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: night football game. Took a block field goal for them 216 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: to win that game. So yes, it is the Carolina Panthers. 217 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: And this team has seemingly always been the outlier in 218 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: terms of all the trends of oh you gotta bet 219 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers, and they've always killed exactly as Firman knows. 220 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: But the fact that they have been playing winter, I mean, 221 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: we're talking about which team is coming in on the 222 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: winning streak here between the Panthers and Chiefs. Not the Chiefs. 223 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 3: It's it's the Carolina Panthers that are coming in on 224 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: a streak. So yeah, I think Bryce sung these buildings 225 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: and confidence. They're playing at home, and the Chiefs don't 226 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: blow teams out, So I think it's just too many points. 227 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: I think that it's closer to maybe a touchdown game 228 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: than people are giving credit for. So I'm going to 229 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: take the Panthers plus ten and a half plus at. 230 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: Arson any concern for said winning streak that the Panthers 231 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: are on. We're against the Alliance and the Aints, the 232 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: Saints and the Giants. Is there any concern that said 233 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: said two game winning streak is against two of possibly 234 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: the worst teams in football. 235 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: Well, of course there's cause for concern, but it's it's 236 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 3: just too many points. 237 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Trust the process points Rocher just making sure, just trust 238 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: in the. 239 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: Prom at least they won the games better than they lost. 240 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: Well, the debate always continues, especially on our discord. 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Oh 266 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: my god, this guy is falling, and then they go 267 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: out there and beat Green Bay. You're on the other 268 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: side of this game with the Green Bay Packers. The 269 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: Packers were lucky to come out with the victory last week. 270 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. They did not deserve to win that 271 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: football game. They made a play at the end. I 272 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: am all over the forty nine Ers. More on that later, 273 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: but give me the counter argument that about the Packers. 274 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: Nonetheless, it was a division game, and division games are 275 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: always really, really feisty, and you can see from the 276 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: forty nine Ers losing to the Seahawks. Nonetheless, I think 277 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: that the forty nine Ers have completely like this is 278 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: a clear hangover team. It's not just the play on 279 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: the field. They don't have the players who actually play 280 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: the game. Joey Bosa did not practice yesterday. I don't 281 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: understand how you could at all at any point take 282 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: a forty nine Ers team that had Bosa at any 283 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: point during the week as a DMP like that. That 284 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: is one of the most important parts of his defense 285 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: right now, and if he's not there helped wreaking have 286 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: it on the defensive line, the defense actually doesn't look 287 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: that good and they've given up big spots at the 288 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: end of the game. 289 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Harder because especially because Joey plays for the Chargers. 290 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: That's so whatever, it doesn't matter. Mosa is whatever, Bosa 291 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 2: two doesn't matter. 292 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: Whatever, they're time. 293 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, they both do the same thing, sit at home 294 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: on the couch and so both of them. So at 295 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: this point I'm done fading. I'm done backing the forty 296 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: nine ers at any point. I think that Jordan Love 297 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: and this Packers team had this game circled since last 298 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: year when Jordan Love lost in the game, and I 299 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: think this is gonna be a good opportunity at home 300 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: where this is only two you're only laying two year 301 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: and it's because of the respect that this is the 302 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: forty nine ers and not acknowledging that they're not good 303 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: this year. What have they been doing. They've been playing 304 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: close games all year and they haven't been dominating in 305 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: those close games. The only reason that they got to 306 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: win over the Bucks is because the Bucks allowed them 307 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: to walk out of there without a kicker. They didn't 308 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: have a kicker in the game, and they let the 309 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: game be closed. The game against the Vikings looked a 310 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: lot closer than what it was really supposed to be. 311 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: They lost the game against the Cardinals. I think that 312 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: this is a spot where everybody's like, the forty nine 313 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: ers are gonna get right, the forty nine ers are 314 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: gonna get right, and I don't think it is. I 315 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: just think they're not that good of a team. They're 316 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: two beat up. 317 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Oh, They're not that good of a team, and no 318 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: one's fitted the forty nine ers more than me going 319 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: into the season. August is all. So why because because 320 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: everybody is overrating the Packers win and everybody's over ready 321 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: to hold on a second, hold on, I'll let you go. Now, 322 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take a step here, because what happened 323 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: is the same thing happened with the Eagles last year, 324 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: where we would have these moments where everybody go out like, hey, 325 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: we're throwing the towel here, let's just go against Eagles 326 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: the rest of the season. And that backfired on you 327 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: too at certain points. So you have to kind of 328 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: pick your spots with a team like the four it 329 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: did and go back and look at the game. 330 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: They look at the games they lost seven of their last. 331 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: Eight and they still made the playoffs? Did they got destroyed? 332 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: Because it is. 333 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, boys, just like you guys 334 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: were pounding me last week about all the Cleveland Browns 335 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: and Cleveland Browns, everything clean Browns like that didn't work 336 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: out either. Sometimes you guys are wrong about stuff. I 337 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: get that the Green Bay Packers took them to their 338 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: limit last year in the playoffs. I get the Green 339 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: Bay Packers this year are starting to show some of 340 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: their youth. I think at times they are not a 341 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: team that looks I think, nearly as fresh and clean 342 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: as they did last year. And this is the classic 343 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: trap I think everybody falls into where everyone's like, well, 344 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: forget it, forty hundreds can't win another football game and 345 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: won't ever. I don't think they're going to go into this, 346 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: whether it's Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, or Terrell Furman Bosa, 347 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: any of the Bosa's maybe playing or not. I still 348 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: think they find a way to win this football game. 349 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are going to 350 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: lose their shirts on this one. So I hope you 351 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: guys did your laundry. Let's go to the Colts next year. 352 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: Andrew Erickson your take on this one. Because the Colts 353 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: made a change of quarterback that worked out. They beat 354 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: up on the Jets. Hooray. That's always a good time. 355 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: I always enjoy that. This time, though, they are seven 356 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: and a half point underdogs at home against the Detroy Lyons, 357 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: which I'm not even sure if that's enough. So let's 358 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: talk about this one. How do you want to approach 359 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: this game? 360 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna bet on Anthony Richardson, right, because he 361 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: is the ultimate wildcard when it comes to any of 362 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: these Colts games. And you look at what he's when 363 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: he's been at his best, it's really been when his 364 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: back's against the wall, right when everyone is counting out 365 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. Oh, this guy can't complete the past. This 366 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: guy can't do anything, and what does he Dolast week 367 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: he shows up massive against the New York Jets. Now 368 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: again totally different teams that they're facing, but with Richardson 369 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: six and two against the spread as an underdog the season. 370 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: He says a four to zero as a home underdog 371 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: this season. So I think Richardson and the Colts can 372 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: do a lot in this particular matchup. They have only 373 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: played in close contests all year long the twenty twenty 374 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: four Colts. Ten of their eleven games this year have 375 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: been decided by one possession, and they're five and five 376 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: overall in close games. So they find a way to 377 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: keep games close within striking distance. And because Richardson is 378 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: such a unique player at the quarterback position, well, he 379 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: can do certain things that your defenses can't account for. 380 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: The Lions lost one of their stud linebackers last week 381 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: Alex Denzeloni, he's on injured reserve. They don't have Aden 382 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: hutcheson obviously, that hasn't shown up and he's lost a 383 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: couple matchups because they've played a lot of really bad teams. 384 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: But I think the Colts can be feisty in this 385 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: particular match. Again, they're playing at home. You have the fit, 386 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: you have the Thanksgiving factor where Detroit looking maybe looking 387 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: ahead a little bit to Thursday, or they're playing an 388 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: early game on Thanksgiving in the same exact spot last season, 389 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: before the Thanksgiving game for the Detroit Lions, that was 390 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: the game where the Lions should have lost to the 391 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: Chicago Bears, and justin Fields, they had a ninety three 392 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: percent probability of losing that game before Thanksgiving. So I 393 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: know that Dan Campbell keeps his team buttoned up, keeps 394 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: them focused on the task at hand, but you can't 395 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 3: help them think the Lions, you're thinking, Hey, I thanks 396 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: gifts coming up next week and to see my family 397 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: looking forward to it. So look, that's why I like 398 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 3: taking the Colts. They're playing at home and they keep 399 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: games close. But they've done it all season long. So 400 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: at plus seven and a half. I'll take the home team. 401 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: All right. I'll be on the line side of that 402 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: game too. This is fun. This is gonna be a 403 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: fun week to look back on. By the way, I'm 404 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: looking back at the Eagles schedule last year. After they 405 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: lost to the Jets and it was doom and gloom, 406 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: they went and they beat the Dolphins thirty one seventeen, 407 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: the Commander's thirty eight to thirty one. Then they beat 408 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: the Cowboys twenty eight to twenty three, and then they 409 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: beat the Eagles. Excuse me, they beat the Chiefs twenty 410 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: one to seventeen, and then oh wait, the Bills after that. 411 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: So they won a bunch of games, and then the 412 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: forty nine ers came in and whooped on them a 413 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: little bit. The Cowboys got them back there, and yes, 414 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: things did fall apart towards the very end. But again, 415 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: it is the Jeckel High team that you're gonna see 416 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: with San Francisco all year long. And I just don't 417 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: think the Green Bay Packers are playing their best football 418 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: at any time right now in the last couple of weeks. 419 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: I just don't see it. And I think we're gonna 420 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: fall into this trap and the like, No they're not, 421 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: they're not. But when you talk about the personnel and 422 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: you talk about the preparedness and the desperation that I 423 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: think the forty nine ers have right now, which is real, 424 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a very dangerous thing. Andrew, you know, 425 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: I hate we call them the fraudy Niners. 426 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 3: That's what I mean. So why are you backing them 427 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: at anything? 428 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: Because I because this is because it's the classic time 429 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: where we are now all of a sudden, they're underdogs, 430 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: and teams take that personally sometimes. Look, I know the 431 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: the last week did not work out with the Patrick Mahomes. 432 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: We all thought it would and it didn't, so we 433 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: all ate the hell. 434 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: On this, wonders, should you take it personally that they're 435 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: not three point favorites? 436 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: Why is this not three? 437 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: There is no Packers are good. 438 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: Let's go to those bears that lost to the Packers 439 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: last week, because I know, Trel, you've got some feelings here. 440 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings are going to go into Chicago now 441 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know here, I don't know what we're 442 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: talking about. Because you also like this upset. You're gonna 443 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: have to convince me here, not only do you like 444 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the Bears, but you like them on the money line 445 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: as well, So talk to me about this one, Dar. 446 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: I mean, if her starts with the spot, it's a 447 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: horrible spot. The Vikings are playing the third straight road game. 448 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: This doesn't happen often in the NFL, and so in fact, actually, 449 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one, teams that are playing their third 450 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: straight road game are six and nine ats forty against 451 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: the spread. I'm perfectly fine fading that. I look at 452 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 2: this Vikings team and they are also another team on 453 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 2: the way down, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna sit 454 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: here and play the team that's showing right in front 455 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: of me. Sam Darnold has turned the ball over all 456 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: season and nobody talks about it consistently all season. They 457 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: turned the ball over. They didn't look good in the 458 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: Titans game. They didn't look good in the Jags game. 459 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: They shoot, if it wasn't for Joe Flacco, they probably 460 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: would have lost the Colts game. Like so, I think 461 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: that this team is been going down ever since they 462 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: took that loss to the Lions, and we've started to 463 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: see this team for who we thought they were closer 464 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: to the beginning of the season. And it kind of 465 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: just proved to me that the beginning of their season 466 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: was really just an outlier where they put together a 467 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: really good string of defenses. Brian Floor's defense was great 468 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: in the beginning of the year, but then other teams 469 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: got a little tape on them. They started to prepare, 470 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: and you can still pass the ball on this front 471 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: like they are not stopping anybody in the past. They're 472 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 2: actually twenty ninth in term of receiving yards allowed. So 473 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: if you give Caleb Williams chances to make those crazy throws, 474 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: get outside the pocket and push the ball downfield, He's 475 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: absolutely gonna do it. And I don't think he's a 476 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: horrible quarterback. It's just that the Bears are just a 477 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: horrible organization. But this is a great spot to fade 478 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: a team that just showed me life in competing with 479 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers. So yeah, I love that they're 480 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: catching the hook. Here. Give me the Bears plus three 481 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 2: and a half and I'll take the money line as well. 482 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: All right, Erickson, you've got some feelings about this game too, 483 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: so is your approach. 484 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 3: There's no point it's gonna be scoring this game. That's 485 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: what I'm betting. I'm taking the under thirty nine and 486 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: a half points. Here are the trends. Nine of the 487 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: Bears last ten games is underdogs under the total. They're 488 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: eleven to four to one under the point total in 489 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: their last fifteen overall games. And you look at the 490 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: Vikings when they've been favorited, Eleven the Vikings last thirteen 491 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: games have favorites have gone under the total seventy three 492 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: towards the under. This season, these teams have combined for 493 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: a record of six and fourteen over under record. The 494 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 3: Vikings have the number one defense in terms of quick passes. 495 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: That was the only thing that changed with the Bears 496 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: offense last week. It's like, hey, let's get DJ Moore 497 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 3: ten bubble screens and that's that We're going to move 498 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 3: the ball offensively, and the Vikings are going to stop 499 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: that in its tracks because that the number one defense 500 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: against the quick passing game. So Bears games this year 501 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 3: have averaged under three eight points per game anyway at 502 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: home this season, and the only games that have gone 503 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: over playing in Chicago were when the Bears scored twenty 504 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: four plus points. The Bears are not going to score 505 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 3: twenty four plus points with bubble screens against the Vikings. 506 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: This is not is not going to happen. So given 507 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: that they also still have they have the number one 508 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 3: red zone def in the NFL. Obviously firm and laid out, 509 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: Sam Donald, the turnovers, they're not gonna be all sustain drives. 510 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: Easy under for me, all. 511 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: Right, easy under for you? One more pick and they 512 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: will get to the upset special and the parlay of 513 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: the week here and you guys again holding hands, what 514 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: could go wrong? The Cardinals on the money line to 515 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: win straight up here? They are going to Seattle. Seattle's 516 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: feeling good about themselves. They're at five and five, Arizona 517 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: six and four. They're in control here. This is kind 518 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: of uncharted territory for this Cardinals team to have a 519 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: lead in the division. That doesn't feel right for a 520 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: lot of reasons. But they're coming off a bye. Are 521 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: they refreshed? We'll find out. Let's start with you Terrell here, 522 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: because you've got them on the money line. It's practically 523 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: a pick them here. So why the Cardinals? Why do 524 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: they come out as the victors on the road here 525 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: in Seattle? 526 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: Because I think the Cardinals are good and the Seahawks aren't. 527 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: I think the Seahawks are not good at all. Like 528 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: the defense. Mike mc donald is still trying to figure 529 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: out a way to get his defensive philosophy to carry 530 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: over from the Ravens over to the Seahawks. They are 531 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: towards the bottom of the league and reception yards allowed. 532 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: They can't stop anything on the ground at all, and 533 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: I think that's really gonna be the thing, like if 534 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: you let Kyler Murray and James Conner just be able 535 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: to run up and down on the field on you 536 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: at Kyler Murray has now gotten to the point where 537 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: he is making some incredible throws, incredible plays for this team, 538 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 2: and I think he's an outside shot at MVP, not 539 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: saying that he's anywhere close to winning it, but if 540 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 2: you had a preseason Kyler Murray MVP, bet you're not 541 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: feeling horrible right now. Like I think, Kyler Murray and 542 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: this offense has been great, but the defense is really 543 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: the thing that's surprised me. And the fact that the 544 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 2: defense has been able to step up fifth in the 545 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: NFL in reception yards allowed and so they are slowing 546 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: down the pass. It seems that again and it's finally 547 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: got his defense to turn the corner and they're playing really, 548 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: really solid ball, and Gino Smith is going to make 549 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: bad decisions. He's gonna turn the ball over, He's gonna 550 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: get them off the field and give more chances to 551 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: this Cardinals offense that I like so much right now, Yeah, 552 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: I like the Cardinals Guinny time Kyler. 553 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: Murray plus thirty five hundred right now for MVP. In 554 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: case you're interested, anybody, Andrew Erickson, you're on this bandwagon, 555 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: let's talk more about your reasons why Arizona separates from 556 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: the herd here against Seattle. 557 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 3: We had to give the Cardinals some love because we 558 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: forgot to talk about it on the Early look Ahead show. 559 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: Because we did, we were listed. I don't know how 560 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: that happened. We were just so excited for Week twelve. 561 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: We missed it. But I did respond to people on Twitter, 562 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: and it's great that people are listening so heartily that 563 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: they realized. 564 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: That that's why we needed to give the Cardinals Seahawks 565 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: matchup extra love here by betting against Seattle because I 566 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: think Furman hit the nail on the head. The Seattle 567 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: team is so hot and cold every single week, like 568 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 3: what Like, I don't think I've ever. I don't know 569 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: if I've made a bet on them confidently at any 570 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: point this season, because you don't know which team is 571 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: going to show up which week, and it really depends 572 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: on what other team they're playing. So the Cardinals, they've 573 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 3: won four games in a row, they're the number three 574 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: seed in the NFC right now, at the top of 575 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: the NFC West, and given the rest of the schedule, 576 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: they got a chance to really make a run here. 577 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: So I think that the Arizona Cardinals again, if they 578 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 3: have these lines flipped, because the Cardinals were dogs at 579 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: one point, are they favored now? 580 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: I won It depends on where. 581 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: You look, because they're now laying one. 582 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: They're laying one in some spots, but their minus one 583 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: on bet MGM, they're plus one on DK there, minus 584 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: one and a half on FANDULE and even money like 585 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of all over the board. You basically 586 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: choose your own adventure, which is why you know you 587 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: go to betting pros and find the line it like 588 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: the most with the best juice and go ahead and 589 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: bet it there. That's the whole point. 590 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, So again, just Cardinals, I think you're gonna win 591 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: this game, you look at some of the factors that 592 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: I'm looking at, I think one of the underrated parts 593 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: of Gannon's success with this team is discipline. The Cardinals 594 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 3: are the number one team in terms of fewest penalties 595 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: this season. That matters a lot because you know what, 596 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: the Seahawks rank twenty ninth in penalties. So if you're 597 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: looking for factors that kind of sway games, well, the 598 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: Seahawks are the more likely team to have that backbreaking 599 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: penalty that kills them at the end of the game 600 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. So that's also why, like Arizona, 601 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: Ferman pointed out about how the Cardinals are one of 602 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: the best teams running the football. They are six and 603 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: one agaets the spread when they rush for at least 604 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 3: one hundred yards. The Seahawks ranks sixth in terms of 605 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: rushing yards allowed per game this season. So, Arizona, this 606 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: is a team I liked a lot in the offseason. 607 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: Give me them winning on the road. The Seahawks have 608 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: not been a good team to covering the spread at home. 609 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 3: They failed to cover the spread in six of their 610 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: last seven home games. This Seahawks twelfth man home field 611 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: advantage is Fugazi it doesn't exist. If anything, I like 612 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: the over in this game too. Think this game is 613 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: gonna be shoot. I think it'd be fun, but ultimately 614 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 3: I think the Cardinals is gonna come out with the win. 615 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 3: So give me the red Birds. 616 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: All right, there you have it, everybody. Let's continue on 617 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: to the upset of the week, and it's no surprise 618 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: where I'm going for this one. Give me the forty 619 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: nine ers plus one fourteen. Let's go just enough to 620 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: make everybody furious at betting at football, because no, the 621 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: forty nine ers are not a great team. Yes, they 622 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: have a terrible hangover. This is the exact game that 623 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: ruins everybody Sunday except for me, because I'm betting the 624 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. And then I'm sure they'll drop another 625 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: game that they're supposed to win. It's point and we'll 626 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: all go I can't believe they did it again, because 627 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: that's the nature of the beast. And if you take 628 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: those forty nine Ers on the money line, along with 629 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: the Chiefs on the money line and the Eagles on 630 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: the money line, three straight money lines, you get plus 631 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: three sixteen and Joe three to sixteen, says I just 632 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: one sday That's what I say, Terrell Furman Junior. Always 633 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: a pleasure, I am. I'm going to enjoy watching your 634 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: giants because Tommy DeVito is going to be entertaining if 635 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: nothing else, and it might be the only savior. It 636 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: might be the only savior for those Thanksgiving games? Game 637 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: did we get Cooper Rush and Tommy DeVito on Thanksgiving? Terrell? 638 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: Come on, how excited are you about Thanksgiving? 639 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 2: Now you get to this Giving is gonna be Trey 640 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: Lance versus Tommy DeVito, and it's actually gonna be pretty interesting. 641 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna. 642 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: Lie poor Drew Locke. He just wants to play football somewhere, 643 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: all right, Everybody, make sure you download the app right 644 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: now and again use the tools over at Betting Pros. 645 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: That'll do it for us. But the story of the 646 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: game goes on for Andrew Erickson and Terrell Furman Junior. 647 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time, Gids Go Packers. 648 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to the Betting Pros Podcast. If you 649 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 4: love the show, the best freeway to support us is 650 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. 651 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: Follow us on x and TikTok at Betting Pros and 652 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 4: Instagram at Betting Pros NFL. Also subscribe to our YouTube 653 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: channel at YouTube dot com Slash Betting Pros