1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show, Money Making Conversations Masterclass. I'm your 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: host with Sean McDonald. I recognize that we all have 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: different definitions of success. For you, it may be the 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: size of your paycheck. Mine is inspiring people to develop 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: a plan to reach their dreams. It's time to stop 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: reading other people's success stories to start writing your own. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: You can only exceed expectations by believing in yourself. Know 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: that people always talk about your purpose of gifts. If 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: you have a gift, then leave with your gift and 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: don't let your friends, family, or co worker stop you 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: from planning or living your dream. My guest today is 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: a Riva Martin. She's an award winning civil rights attorney, 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: best selling Arthur Media personality, and child advocate. Reva Martin 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: served as a CNN and h l n N legal 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: analysts and contributor, as well as host of her own 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: web based, in depth current affairs talk show called The 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: Special Report with the Riva Martin. She also has a 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: weekend show and The Tavis Smile at kbl A talk 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: station fifteen eighty called Riva Martin Out Loud. On the 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: show today, we'll be discussing this her new book Awakening Ladies, 21 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Leader Shift and Lies We've Been Told is a three 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: prong approach to defining, exploring, and solving the five key 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: falsehoods that have historically historically kept women in an inequitable 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: position in society. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Master Class. 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: She always isn't a joy and always educates me A 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: Reva Martin, Hello, my friend. Always a pleasure to see you. 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: Where was the pleasure that I got this book in 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: the mail? And you know, I read all my books 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: now and so and this was a good fun read. 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: And the reason I say it's fun read is that 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: you know, when you get when you get my age 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: and uh over fifty, and then you tend to have 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: have shared some of these life experiences. And then you 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: then you wonder, is that you in the book that 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: she's talking about or did you share some of those values? 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: You know, because we always like to say we grow 37 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: and we learn and we mature. And this book is 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: a is a book about I put the word must 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: read because it taught me some things about myself. It 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: made me look at the world and say, really, this 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: is really happening. And also I have a have a daughter. 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: She's twenty five and she's going out into the corporate world. 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: She just graduated from college. And I think this is 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: a book, this type of book I would like for 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: to read. So why did you write the book other 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: than me introducing it saying it was a mush read 47 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: for your daughter and women like your daughter, because I 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: have two daughters that are in the same age, because 49 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: your daughters, and I wanted those women like our kids, 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,279 Speaker 1: who are going into the workforce to have some understanding 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: about what they are going to face. We live in 52 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: a culture right now. You've seen it, Rashaan, where the 53 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: hashtag girl boss and that hashtag and that whole phenomenon 54 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: around you know what it means to be a boss. 55 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to help dispel some of the myths about 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: what people may think it means and give some reality 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: to what they're going to face in the workplace. And 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: I don't have per se a problem with the hash 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: tag girl boss of people calling themselves girl bosses. I've 60 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: done it myself. But I do want people to understand 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: that we live in this society where even some women 62 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: have bought into this meritocracy concept, this concept that being 63 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: successful as a woman means striving and climbing the corporate ladder, 64 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: and the higher up that ladder I get, then the 65 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, the I can say to other women, look 66 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: at me. If I did it that way, you two 67 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: can do it that way. It's some people call it 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: corporate feminism, this notion again that being a you know, 69 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: feminist is all about how much you can attain, how 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: much money, how much status, how many things, how much stuff, uh, 71 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: and less about the systems that oppressed women, the systems 72 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: that oppressed minorities. And I just wanted to give people 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: some grounding and you know, make them realize that we 74 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: still live in a world that no matter how great 75 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: you are individually, that if you are a woman, particularly 76 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: if you are a woman of color, you are still 77 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: likely to run head straight into some systems that might 78 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: hold you back, that might create some barriers. And we 79 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: still have a lot of work to do. And as 80 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: women that make it to the top, we've got to 81 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: not just focus on our own personal gains financially and 82 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: status wise. We've got to get in those positions and 83 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: use our status to disrupt some of these systems so 84 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: that other women, other minorities can walk through the doors. 85 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: Well know, It's really interesting because I have, you know, 86 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: my company, fifteen Media, Inc. I represent talent, and some 87 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: of my talents are entrepreneurs. So I have two female entrepreneurs. 88 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: One owns a nothing but Buntcaches franchise and one is 89 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: a founder of a pancake, biscuit and waffle mix. And 90 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: I took one out to dinner one Saturday night and 91 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: just talking about a career, where where she was at. 92 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: And as soon as I she left, it was about 93 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: eight thirty night, she went back to work. This is Saturday, right, 94 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: And in the following weekend, I the other person out 95 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: to dinner and uh, the exact same place, and we 96 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: wrapped about nine thirty and she went back to work. 97 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: And both these ladies are single. And I talked to 98 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: the next goo, I said, where is the personal life? 99 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, see, this lifestyle has always been somewhat acceptable, 100 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: and men, you know, they go to work and and 101 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: just work work, work, work, work, and sometimes the woman's 102 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: they're waiting and their life moves on because the woman's 103 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: their wait. Now with the women taking on that similar role, 104 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: who's waiting on them? And that's well, that was some 105 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: of the strong takeaway I took from the book as well, 106 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: and I wanted to share that story because as women 107 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: grow as entrepreneurs or boss ladies, something else is, something 108 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: else is being carved away, and that's their social life. 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: How do they balance that? Talk to me, Well, first 110 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: of all, I think you make a great observation is 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: that traditionally, society is used to men playing that role, 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: the role of working extra hours, the role of being 113 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: away from the household. And you know, our patriarchal system 114 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: acknowledges that, rewards men for that, applause them for that. 115 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: But when a woman takes on that same role, somehow 116 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: people start asking her this very question you just asked, Well, 117 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: how do you balance that? I want you to think 118 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: about how many men have you asked? And I know 119 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: you represent a lot of high powered men, very successful men, 120 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: and you know, oftentimes you may have done it because 121 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: you're progressive, but I don't see a lot of folks 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: asking men that question. So let's start there. We've got 123 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: to change this notion that there are traditional roles and 124 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: their roles that women play and their roles that men play, 125 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: because women have every right to just like the two 126 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs you represent, to be as hard charging as they 127 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: want to, as they choosed to be in their careers, 128 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: and and there shouldn't be any judgment around that. And 129 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: it is a lot of pressure for women to constantly here, well, 130 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: how are you gonna make time for a man? How 131 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: are you gonna take make time for a family, How 132 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: are you gonna make time for kids? What about your 133 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: social life? I'm good with that as long as we're 134 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: asking our sons, our brothers, and the men in our 135 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: lives those same questions. And that's what this whole book 136 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: is about, because a woman has every right to make 137 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: her career her first priority in the same way that 138 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: men have done throughout the ages. So if those women 139 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: you represent are fine going to work at nine three, 140 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: I used to be that person. I'm good with it. 141 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: So I know. Come on, now, you have a beautiful family, Okay, 142 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: I do, But so I worked those hours. You are 143 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: not building anything. Ain't nobody building no business nine to five? 144 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: That saith the way the world works. I wish we 145 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: could do it. I didn't build mine, not run several 146 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: very successful companies that in the debate. In the debate, 147 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: this conversation is that you have the married woman with 148 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: a structure you know if she left at nine thirty 149 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: after dinner or eight thirty after dinner went back to work. 150 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: That lifestyle is you know, understood. But when you still 151 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: trying to pursue or maybe trying to have a life 152 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: where you want to bring another partner into your life, 153 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: how do you know whether it's a man? Fine ways, 154 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: My point is that woman is smart enough to run 155 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: that business. Only that coming. She knows when let's go home, 156 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: she knows when to go to the club, she knows 157 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: when to jump online and gold end or whatever we 158 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,239 Speaker 1: gotta check for her like that. That's my point. Every option, 159 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: that ability to manage her business, manage social wife. That's 160 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: what I tell you. I love this book. You see 161 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: this book creates conversation. That is why I was so 162 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: excited because with her and we're in a dialogue. We've 163 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: never been a dialogue. I'm cutting off, she cutting me 164 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: off because there are stereotypes we have to delive with 165 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: and stereotypes that women are dealing with. Is that you're 166 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be there. It's a very very good, uh 167 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: drama I call it's called the Johnson's. It's on Bounce 168 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: TV about these four black males. It's called Johns because 169 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: all of them last name in high school last name 170 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: of Johnson. And one of the characters played by Thomas Q. 171 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: Jones is his name is Omar, and he's the more 172 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: chauvinistic and his wife is the more aggressive, righte. You know, 173 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: she's out there with on business mind and he carries 174 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: those little stereotypes. You know, she's trying to ward the 175 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: parents in the family. You know, you know, I want 176 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: her at home when I get at home, I want 177 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: her cooking. And a lot of men are still dealing 178 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: with that mentality, and a lot of women have to 179 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: deal with it at the work environment. Correct, Oh, absolutely, 180 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: Now how do they get dude, Well, I guess what 181 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying is that I'm all about women being successful. 182 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: But but the stereotypes and the expectations and the ability 183 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: and then the look, because you talk about that, apparents 184 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: plays a role. You know, how you come to work 185 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: versus how man comes to work, or a man doesn't 186 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: wear makeup to work, a woman don't wear makeup to work. 187 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: There's a problem. Okay, while you looking like that, while 188 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: your hair is not like this way, So a man 189 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: is delivered gives give us a lot of days off 190 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: where you know, a woman can't have a bad hair day, 191 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: so these things are we transitioning a word from that? 192 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Are we getting better out of the REVA? Talk to me, Oh, 193 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: you know what we are doing. We're having these conversations. 194 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that we are active. We're changing the systems, 195 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: but we can't fix what we don't acknowledge. So we 196 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: are taking a very big step, I would say. And 197 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: books like these and other books are are starting to 198 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: bring into the light the issues because for years we've 199 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: been in denial because a lot of men will say 200 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: what a woman complained about. I worked next to a woman, 201 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: or my boss is a woman, and they can point 202 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: to Hama Haris or Nancy Pelosi or you know, Kesha 203 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: lands Bottoms, or they'll they'll point to one or two 204 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: successful women and say, we don't have a problem. And 205 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: that's a mistake because you know, in every industry, right, 206 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: you can always point to some superstars, right, you can 207 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: always point to those guys that are in the NBA 208 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: that are you know, have a hundred million plus contract, 209 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: But we know that's not the majority of those folks 210 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: that make it into the NBA. They get you know, 211 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: shuttled out, that end up in injuries, that end up 212 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: broke at the end of their careers, who never make 213 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: that kind of money. So you never study a problem 214 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: by looking at the outliers. So when we look at 215 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: the issues with women, we can't just look at the outliers. 216 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: We got to look at the majority. And we know 217 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: the majority of women still make less per dollar than men. 218 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: And we know, as it relates to Black and brown women, 219 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: even though we're the most educated Black women demographic in 220 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: this country, we still don't make the same amount of 221 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: money as black men and as white men and even 222 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: white women. So we gotta look at, you know, the macro, 223 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: and in terms of the macro, women are nowhere near 224 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: where we should be. Forty four CEO's female of Fortune 225 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: five companies, two or three of those forty four black. 226 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: That's that's an abysmal number to have to report out. 227 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: And in any given year, that number for Black women 228 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: CEOs of Fortune five companies, despite our gains and education, 229 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: that number zero. So when you say are we're making progress, 230 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the civil rights movement and the 231 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: progress we make as African Americans. There's this yan and 232 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: yang after George Floyd Murder visual on TV. Everybody is, 233 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, changing their social media feeds, bringing in diversity trainers, 234 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: donating money to black causes and organizations. Six months after that, 235 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about suppressive voting laws. We're talking 236 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: about preventing schools from teaching critical race theory or black 237 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: history at all, even using the word slavery to describe slavery, 238 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: trying to come up with some words to sugarcoat that. 239 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: So I think with the women's movement, we've seen the 240 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: same kind of reaction in this country. They're periods of 241 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,479 Speaker 1: great advance and then there's periods of you know, regression. 242 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: And I would say, right now, this is pretty much 243 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: a satis quo. We're having the conversations, but a lot 244 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: of folks are still in denial. We'll be right back 245 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, 246 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Uh. 247 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: The thing about I'm speaking to Reva Martina, very talented, 248 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: bestselling authur, civil rights advocate, attorney, health advocate, her book Awakening. 249 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: I think it's perfectly named Awakening, Ladies leadership in your lives. 250 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: We've been told there are a couple of things. There 251 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of the chapters are just uh that 252 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: the chapters draw you in. Working within the sisters is 253 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: not enough rebuilding this US since benefits everyone. Expectations, norms, 254 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: and cultural are holding us back. I think that's what 255 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: we just talked about, the culture of what people think, 256 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: mentors of men and leaning into closed doors. How did 257 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: we get here? How did we get here? Are we 258 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: just deal on that same train and so much that 259 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: when you go back to go back to Europe, the 260 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: culture came over with Columbus and it just carried over 261 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: and the in the society, and it may side of 262 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: the women can vote, you know, women can where many 263 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: skirt if they want to. But still then you get 264 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: roll versus Wade overturned by the Supreme Court. So talk 265 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: to me, Yeah, how do we get here? We got 266 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: here because you know, from the beginning of the founding 267 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: of the US, it was always uh designed to be 268 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: a patriarchal structure where men were at the top and 269 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: women were subjugated to men. For many years, women couldn't 270 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: even own property in this country. We had to whole 271 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: property in the names of hold it through our relationship 272 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: with our fathers, our brothers, or through to a man. 273 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: So women have always been second class citizens. It was 274 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: designed that way. The white men that founded this country 275 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: did not view women as being equals, as they did 276 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: not view the African slave that they had brought over 277 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: to the US as being equals either. Now women gained 278 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: more rights than African Americans in this country, they gained 279 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: them sooner. But still this is a patriarchal society. So 280 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: it's by design that we are here, Richie. It's not 281 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: by happenstances. It's not by accident. This was the way 282 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: the country was was designed to be, and we are 283 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: now in a country that is particularly as it relates 284 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: to voters. More than voters in this country are women. 285 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: So we we are at a point where we have 286 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: the mass where we can challenge some of these systems, 287 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: where we can say, okay, that might have been the 288 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: ideal of the founding fathers, but we you know, when 289 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: you know more, you do differently, right, when you know better, 290 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: you do better. So now we know that there is 291 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: no g uh, you know, the genetic differences there there 292 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: are no biological differences that dictate men having superiority over women, 293 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: and we have to change that because I don't want 294 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: my daughters. You don't want your daughters. Not that men 295 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: all the time, men who refuse to accept that sexism 296 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: and gender bias is real. I say, well, you want 297 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: to send your daughter into a company where all the 298 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: people in the c suite are white men? What message 299 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: does that send to your daughter about her opportunities and 300 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: her chances of getting to the c suite? Don't you 301 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: think your daughter is worthy if she works hard enough, 302 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: if she has the expertise, the talent, the skills, that 303 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: she should have an opportunity to be in the top 304 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: positions corporation. So men, are you know? You guys are funny. 305 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: You have this compartmentalizing, It goes it in your brain. 306 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: You can go into a company, uh and feel completely 307 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: from you said you guys, You said you guys, man brothers. 308 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: You hang out with some of those companies that can 309 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: go into those companies and see that every man, every 310 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: position at the top of that company is filled by 311 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: a man. But yet I have daughters at home that 312 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: they want to have the best, They want to have 313 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: every opportunity. So you know, I often challengement when Wait 314 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: a minute, what's gonna happen when your daughter walks into 315 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: that corporation those same men that you hang out with 316 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: on the golf course and the club and the cigar 317 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: bar and get five to that. You know, systemically and 318 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: systematically excluding women. Why are you gonna treat your daughter 319 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: any differently? Right that you just read it. Now, you 320 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: know you said something that the women in America are 321 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: qualified to vote. Now we can pour fingers that man. 322 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: We said, hey, man, you're the problem. But we also 323 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: know that as a percentage of women that are holding 324 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: the line for these stereotypes. Oh my god, Yes, we're 325 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: talking about let's get to our sisters. Yeah, equal opportunity, color, 326 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: outer right. So you're right. And here's why, you know why, 327 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: rich Out, you're so right. A lot of women we 328 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: have bought into these patriots are goal concepts, norms, and traditions. Yes, 329 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: sometimes a woman in a job is another woman's worst. 330 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: In a lot of women, they get to the top. 331 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: I just had this conversation with an author of a book. 332 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: Her name is called Beck, wrote a book called white Feminism, 333 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: and she talked about herself. She's a woman of color. 334 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: But when you get into these positions of power. You 335 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: gotta make sure that you don't take on the attributes 336 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: of the men who are in those positions, because some 337 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: people get comfortable being the only one. Some women want 338 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: to be the only person in that c suite. They 339 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: want to be the only woman, you know, that's that's 340 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: ever held the title or vice president or president or 341 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: whatever that title may be. So women can fall into 342 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: those just like black folks can take on the attributes 343 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: of white supremacists. They don't come white supremacists, but they 344 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: can take on the norms and the traditions and start 345 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: talking like them and acting like that. We see that, 346 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: We had examples of that where there's Clarence Thomas or uh, 347 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: you know Tim Scott in South Carolina. These are black 348 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: men who talk about how they pull themselves up by 349 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: their boot strings, who deny, in many cases the barriers 350 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: that black folks face because of systemic racism. So we're 351 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: not gonna call them white supremacists, but they have ideologies 352 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: that mirror those of white supremacists, and so many women 353 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: can do the same. We can take on uh. And 354 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: we have to check ourselves because if you are constantly 355 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: inundated with those messages is very easy for you to 356 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: fall prey to those very messages that that you should 357 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: be fighting against as um. You know, first of all, 358 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: you know me, I'm enjoying this. It's just like I 359 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: said this this That's why I enjoyed this book because 360 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: it's going to create conversation. Uh definitely, UM, positive debate. 361 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: I think because I think that it's about the education 362 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: speaking of Reva national bestselling author Reva Martin, ladies leadership 363 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: and the lies we've been told. The book is called awakening. 364 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: I said the word of breakning because whenever you start 365 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: shifting gears on people, they feel that they're about to 366 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: get left out. In a very popular word that's been 367 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: generating a lot of buzz the last couple years has 368 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: been the word counseled. You know, counsel culture. And then 369 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: you talk about men are being afraid, have a fear 370 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: of being canceled. Talk about that, well, yeah, a lot 371 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: of men. And again, this book is not about attacking men. 372 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: I am all about inclusivity and collaboration. I know that 373 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: we get before you say that, let me let me 374 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: let me say that for you know, this book is 375 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: not about attacking men. This book is about educating everybody 376 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: about awareness, about about the stereotype apes that a person 377 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: like with Sean McDonald may assume it's normal and it's 378 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: not normal makes people feel uncomfortable. What we've learned through 379 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: education is that you know saying if you're an employer 380 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: and the and one of your workers comes in and 381 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: wear something nice, you might say something or you look 382 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: really good, but you never said anything about her work, 383 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: but you quick to say something about something that she wears, 384 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: or her hair or her makeup. So these are the 385 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: things that we're talking about in this conversation. It's like, 386 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: you cannot become a better country, you cannot become a 387 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: better community unless you're willing to change or questioning your habits. 388 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: And not all habits are good habits. And so I 389 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: just wanted to say that before she had to feel 390 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: that she had to defend her book. Her book needs 391 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: no defense. It's an awakening. It's a something like knowledgement, 392 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: no information that we as a people black, white, brown Asian, 393 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: he need to understand that we need to change. If 394 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: we don't change, then the world doesn't get any better. 395 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: And we stand in this little narrow scope. It's a 396 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: beautiful book. So you can continue your statement, but I 397 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: need to step in on my friend and let her know, 398 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: don't defend yourself. Your ball is awoke. Thank you. I 399 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: appreciate that and that that is so important, and you 400 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: said that very well. Yeah, we don't get better if 401 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: we don't acknowledge where we need to do better. And 402 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: all of us, everybody, we should all be lifelong learners. 403 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody gets to where they are unless they 404 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: are willing to be open to new ideas, new concepts, 405 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: and to challenging their old ways of thinking. And I 406 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: had to do that. In the book, I talked about 407 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: the lies that women have been told. I recount five. 408 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: Of course there are a lot more than five, top five, 409 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: and even one of those lies that was told to 410 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: me by the strong black women they raised me. It 411 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: was painful for me having to work through uh saying 412 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: something that could be perceived as negative about what they 413 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: taught me, because I revere these women in such an 414 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: amazing way. But sometimes even thing is that your mama 415 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: and your grandmama and people you love you have to 416 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: challenge what they told you, not because they were maliciously 417 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: told to you, but you know, our parents teach us 418 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: what they were taught and a lot of times what 419 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: they have been talked could be wrong, and so they've 420 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: passed down to you disinformation or wrong information, and you 421 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: gotta break out of that. So this is all about 422 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: all of our awakening mind as well, coming to grips 423 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: with a lot of what I was taught as a 424 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: younger woman. Uh doesn't serve me well in the country 425 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: that we live in today, and that I had to 426 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: shed some of the notions I had. You know, I'm 427 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: wound work aholic what people call work aholic. I don't 428 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: call myself a workholig. I love when I love something, 429 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: I work hard at it, and to me, it's not 430 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: work when you love what you do. But work aholic 431 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: is a maejority term that we often used to describe 432 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: people that spent a lot of time, you know, in 433 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: their profession or what they do. And I always thought, 434 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: if I just worked hard, I could solve every problem. 435 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: Biggest joke in my family. Whenever you know my kid's husband, 436 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: we ever they talking about someone that has a problem, 437 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: my first question is will they have a second job? 438 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: The job doesn't solve every problem. You know what I 439 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: was growing up, problem just got a second job. The 440 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: money will solve a lot of problem. Let's be real, 441 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: light bills, a lot of gas bills, lot card notes. 442 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: You know's inflation. We need to three jobs with this inflation. 443 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: There are times we're living in right now, We'll be 444 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: right back with more money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, 445 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: let's return to money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald 446 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: before I wrap up, because there was a couple of 447 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: things I want to talk that just show your fastist 448 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: conversations going. And it is a conversation, a conversation that 449 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: involves a lot of stereotypes that we live with and 450 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: probably die with. Because stereotypes are what they are. They 451 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: don't change. Stereotypes allows people to think that racing is 452 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: all right because they live in a community where it's 453 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: all right. And so if we don't pull down these 454 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: for color only signs, or we don't pull down these 455 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: these you can't go there. These transgender signs that are 456 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: that are really as well educating ourselves. The beauty of 457 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: what I like about your book is that you have 458 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: to change. There are people are sitting out there going 459 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: why do I have to Why do I have to 460 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: feel comfortable because because of the fact that there are 461 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: a group of people out there, people of color, people 462 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: of different genders who have never been comfortable, why can't 463 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: they be in American be comfortable too, just because these 464 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 1: stereotypes or quote unquote norms have told you it's all 465 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: right to think that way. And before I wrap up, 466 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the Mike Pence role. And 467 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: there's something that really stood out for me in this book, 468 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: and I think that it is the hierarchy of stereotypes 469 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: that women have to deal with. Talk about the Mike 470 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: Pence role. What are Mike Pence uh professors to be 471 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: very devout Christian? I don't you know, professor to know 472 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: what his his commitment is or his relationship with God is. 473 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: So it's not about that. But he talked about taking 474 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: his wife with him into meetings with women and not 475 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 1: basically taking any meetings with a woman alone. That didn't 476 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: you know that his wife wasn't a part of And 477 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: as much as he thought that that was, I don't know, 478 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: a good ideal, maybe made him seem like a pious 479 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: Christian man. That's very hormful to women because that says that, 480 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 1: you know, women are going to be excluded from a 481 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: lot of meetings. If you have to a man bring 482 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: your wife to every meeting with a woman, you're that's 483 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: gonna buy definition of women the number of meetings that 484 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: you have with your wife. And it says that men 485 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: and women can't be professional without there being some kind 486 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: of sexual tension or some kind of you know, inappropriate 487 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: conduct going on. And that's just foolishness to me. I 488 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: spent the while first him, fifteen years of my career 489 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: as a lawyer, working pretty one on one with my 490 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: law partner. We would travel together across Los Angeles and 491 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: a car to three hours meeting clients, going to court, 492 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: going to business meetings, going to business events. We spent 493 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: hours along. We'd be in our law firm at night 494 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: alone together to eleven twelve o'clock at night working on cases, 495 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: getting ready for trials. He was married, I was married. 496 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: I respected his boundaries, he respected my boundaries, And I 497 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 1: don't want my daughter, your daughter, twenty five year old 498 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: women going into a workplace having to meet with men 499 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: who are so insecure, are so out of control, so 500 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, can't control there. I don't know their their 501 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 1: hormones or whatever, that they can't have a business meeting 502 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't involve some kind of sexual like his attention 503 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: or any windows or something. So that's ridiculous. This two. 504 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: Everybody should be able to control their impulses. I should 505 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: be able to meet with you married single. You should 506 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: be able to meet with me married. Things shouldn't matter. 507 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: You know, we gotta hand sometimes you just gotta handle 508 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: the business. And everybody doesn't have the luxury of traveling 509 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: with their spouse and being able to take them into 510 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: a meeting. The lot of times a spouse and the 511 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: meeting is a distraction. If your wife doesn't have anything 512 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: to do with our business, why do I want her 513 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: in this meeting? Well, I'll tell you this. This book 514 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: has a lot of compelling stories just like this. You know, 515 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: it's a story about the dentists. Uh, it's a lot 516 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: of really great stories and that and I would say 517 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: this is that it really does. I think that Mike 518 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: Pence rule is the most the most It is the 519 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: most harmful rule because it does stereotype women to be 520 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: the aggressor, like they have an agenda. Like if you're 521 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: in the rown in the room along with a woman, 522 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen. You know what they're gonna think. 523 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: You know, you know, come out of the room. You'all 524 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: only two been in the room. Somebody gonna take a 525 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: picture you. It leads to a lot of things that 526 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: that that mislead relationships that should be effective, should be wholesome, 527 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: should be But then, but then he's operating in the 528 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: world that that situation has happened many times, the Gary 529 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: Hearts that you know, former President Jim Jimmy, you know 530 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. So it's a lot of situations out there. 531 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: They have exploded to the level I don't respect it, 532 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: and I acknowledge that he may be overly concerned about 533 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: being in the room with a group of women, all 534 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: single woman without his wife. He should stop that practice. 535 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: But again, your book, UH sparked a lot of conversation. 536 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: We're going on thirty minutes, my friend, it doesn't feel 537 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: like thirty minutes. It's called the Awakening. I'm talking to, UH. 538 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: Civil rights advocate, attorney, health advocate. UH. Great, great personality 539 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: you see on CNN Headline News. UH. You can catch 540 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: you on kt kpl A that ha a Smile East 541 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: radio station in Los Angeles Talk eighty or Reva Martin 542 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: or Reva Martin out loud. Her book is out loud. 543 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: Please get it. Awakening Ladies, Leadership lies We've been told. 544 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to my show again, Miss Martin. 545 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: Thank you Quick Club. I don't know when this will air, 546 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: but hopefully uh August twelve, you haven't, I think it is. 547 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: I will be talking about my book at Edgartown Books 548 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: in Martha's Vineyard. So if any of your viewers are 549 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: going to be in the vineyard on Martha's Vineyard on 550 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: this Thursday, I would go up for you to stop 551 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: by at two o'clock at one because it would air 552 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: before that date. Give me the information one more time. Thursday, 553 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: August eleven, Edgartown Books in Martha's Vineyard, I will be 554 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: there talking about Awakening at two pm that's Eastern Standard time. 555 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Stop by. I'd love to say hello to you at 556 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: your comments, your feedback on the book, and whatever else 557 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: you may be thinking about. But yeah, I'm super excited. 558 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: I'll be in Martha's Vineyard for the week of August 559 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: eighth through the thirteenth. There's tons of great stuff going on, 560 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: film festival, comedy festival, lots of political events going on, 561 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: and I said I'll be presenting Awakening at Edgar Town 562 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: Books on Thursday Day. Obviously you have a two pm awesome. 563 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: Thank you Riva Morting for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass. 564 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: You are amazing. Thank you cool. I always tell people, 565 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: if you have a gift, always leave with your gifts. 566 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: And then again, thank you for listening watching. If you 567 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: want to see any of my episodes, please go to 568 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: money Making Conversation dot com. I'm Sean McDonald. 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