1 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Hey everybody. Chris Heyrey with you on a brand new 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: episode of Chargers Weekly offseason edition, where we still have 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: a jampacked episode coming up. Joe Ready, Associated Press, Jeff 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Miller La Time's gonna join me for a beat writer's roundtable. 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: We'll react and get some takeaways from Tom t Leasco's 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: press conference on Thursday, which would typically be in Indianapolis, 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: but obviously twenty twenty one a little bit different. We 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: did it from Zoom, so that's coming up a little 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: bit later. But first, Ryan Wilson CBS Sports will join me. 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: I promised a draft analyst every single week leading up 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: to the draft. We had a fun exercise, make the 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: case five prospects at five different positions. Ryan makes the 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: case for each of them to the Chargers a number 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: thirteen overall. Couldn't be more pleased to have Ryan Wilson 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: of CBS joining me. And Ryan, I don't know even 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: know where to begin. We could talk justin Herbert, we 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: could talk Kenneth Murray, or we could talk about the 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: future this twenty twenty one draft, but let me just 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: start with Herbert in your thoughts on the season that 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: he had as well as Kenneth Murray, who played all 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: sixteen games. Yeah, let's start with Herbert, because every time 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: I talk about him, and it's been this case pretty 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: much since October, I apologize for not having faith in 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: how good he was going to be because I was 25 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: coming out of the draft. I had questions about the 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: last two years of Oregon and you know, you and 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: I were talking about this before before we started recording. 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he's playing with all pro wide receivers, He's 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: playing with so many great players, and in Oregon, what 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: he was asked to do is a lot different than 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: what he has been what he did as a rookie 32 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and I think I understood that. I 33 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: think some other people did too, but I will own it. 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: I am so happy for him. I was telling you 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: that I talked him a few times in the pre 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: draft process. Great dude, I mean, said and did all 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: the right things, took responsibility. I remember specifically asking about 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: the USC game his senior season where he didn't play 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: that well in the first half, and he can't. He 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: turned it on in the second half. He played some 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: of the best football. He was opening honest about it, 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: and I think what he has been able to do 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: in one year has been amazing, and you sort of 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: hinted at it. He was basically the first to overall pick. 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: If we're redrafting right now, he's going one or two. 46 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: And I don't think no disrespect too to a struggled 47 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: at times in Miami. Two was not in that conversation. 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: He may be at some point, but man, Justin Herbert 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: was so good and it was so so much fun 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: to watch. And I'll say it again. I say it 51 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: all the time when I'm talking to other folks from 52 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: arm On CBS. If Trevor Lawrence, who's gonna be the 53 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: first lall pick for Jacksonville, plays eighty five percent of 54 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and year one that type of football, the 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: Jaguards are over the moon. And look, this is a 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: situation and you know we'll probably talk about it. How 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: year two for Justin Herbert works. They have a new 58 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: coaching staff, and but there are a lot of expectations 59 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: I think for Jacksonville seven wins. If they have a 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: ton of Calgary cap space, they have a bunch of 61 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: draft picks, you get Trevor Lawrence and can surround with 62 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: some players. Perhaps they have a similar blueprint win seven 63 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: games in year one, and then you have the expectations 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: to get to the playoffs in year two. And I 65 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: think that's fair for the Chargers as well. Primarily, I 66 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: mean they have a lot of great players, but primarily 67 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: because of the steps that Justin Herbert took in those 68 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: first that first season a sire of relief, I think 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: when you know you got your guy. Yeah, there's there's 70 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of teams going into this upcoming draft, and 71 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: there's maybe five or six quarterbacks ran they could potentially 72 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: go in the first round, but there doesn't seem to 73 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: be a consensus after Trevor Lawrence. So at this point, 74 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, we could be talking a year from now 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: and saying, you know, Justin Fields should have been the 76 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: number one overall pick, or another guy, Mac Joe, should 77 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: have been higher than he was selected. But to be 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: in the Chargers vote knowing that you have your guy, 79 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: and you could start to build in a class that's 80 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: pretty deep, and you look at number thirteen overall, if 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: four quarterbacks go in the top twelve picks, maybe a 82 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: couple of wide receivers, you're gonna get some talented a 83 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: position of need at thirteen and feel pretty good about it, yeah, man, 84 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: And it's a great position to be. And obviously the 85 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Chargers wish they had won more games and gone to 86 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I get all that, but that's that's 87 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: in the past. Looking ahead here, it's the thirteenth pick. 88 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: As you know, there could be five five quarterbacks could 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: go before the Chargers make their pick. If they stick 90 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: at thirteen, they're gonna be some officsive linemen they go, 91 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna be some wide receivers as you mentioned, possibly 92 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: even a cornerback. So right, someone's getting pushed down. And 93 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: I've it's insane that then number of mock drafts I do. 94 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: They like me to do one a week, starting with 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: the beginning of the college football season, so I'm literally 96 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: on version twenty six as we sit here and talk. 97 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: So it's fun because you know, every week CBS tweets 98 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: out the link to the thing, so people can yell 99 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: and scream at me. This week it was Eagles fans 100 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: yelling at me because I had Matt Jones going that 101 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: high at number six, and people hate, absolutely despise Matt Jones. 102 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: But I've learned a lesson. I've learned a lesson that 103 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: number one. No one knows how these quarterbacks are gonna 104 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: turn out, see Justin Herbert. But year in and year out, 105 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: we go through this process. The Bears thought mister Bisky 106 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: was the best quarterback in that draft class. They missed. 107 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: It happens. But I like Mac Jones a lot more 108 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: than most people in the media. There's some NFL teams 109 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: that I know that like him, and I think the 110 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: media is starting to catch on to that. But the 111 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: point is that all these guys that are gonna go 112 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: because as you know, you're not going anywhere without a quarterback, 113 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: means that the Chargers are sitting pretty my last mock 114 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: draft they come out this week, I hadn't picking Kyle Pitts, 115 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: the tidy out of Florida, and oh we're getting into that. 116 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love Kyle Pitts so much. I think, 117 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens with Hunter Henry. He's 118 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: about to hit free agency unless they bring him back. 119 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: We'll see. But if Hunter Henry goes somewhere else, I 120 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: think Kyle Pitts, oh my gosh, I mean Chris, he 121 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: could end up being the best pass catcher in this 122 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: draft class. Three or four years from now we're talking about, 123 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how this guy fall to say thirteen 124 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: for example. So a couple of things Divis Smith and 125 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: Jalen wandle they don't dislike mac Jones. In fact, they 126 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: said that they prefer mac Jones. That's interesting. And then 127 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: before we get into we're gonna play a little game. 128 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna play make the case. And what I'm gonna 129 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: do right is, I'm gonna give you four guys that 130 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: you may or may not have had in your previous 131 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: mock drafts, and you're gonna make the case for why 132 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: this specific prospect makes the most sense for the Chargers. 133 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: Before I do that, I want to hit on Kenneth 134 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: Murray and just your thoughts on how he played. And 135 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: I am trying to envision this Brandon Staley defense having 136 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: a healthy Darwin James, Kenneth Murray, and Joey Bosa on 137 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: each level of your defense. I've said this, and I 138 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: know Chargers fans have heard me say this. Over the 139 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: last several months. We haven't seen a one hundred percent 140 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: Darwin James and a one hundred percent Joey Bosa on 141 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: the field at the same time. Yet you add in 142 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: second year player now and Kenneth Murray, who played started 143 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: all sixteen games. You have a difference maker on each 144 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: level of your defense. Now, I'm just curious where you 145 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: think Kenneth Murray can go under Brandon Staley. Yeah, that's 146 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: sort of the interesting thing. Every want to bringing in 147 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: a Staley that the hire was a defensive guy, because 148 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: now we're in you know, everything must be offensive, offensive offense. 149 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: But by all accounts, and you certainly know better than 150 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: I do, but from the outside looking in, Staley seems 151 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: like a good fit. He seems to sort of understand 152 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: the culture, and you know there are Anthony Lynn was 153 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: a great guy. The bridge has to be being a 154 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: great guy and being consistent playing a playout and we'll 155 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: see how that unfolds. But I think it's a really 156 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: intriguing higher, especially in the defense side of the ball, 157 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 1: in terms of making these guys, these younger guys better. 158 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: So last year, a year ago, when we spoke, we 159 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: were we were talking ourselves into a defensive player and 160 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Derwin James is that first round pick, something like Jeffrey A. 161 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: Cooter or Isaiah Simmons and were sort of they did both. 162 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: They got the best of both worlds, they got their quarterback. 163 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: At the time, I remember being a little apprehensive about 164 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: the Chargers trading up because I think they gave up 165 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. I can't remember specifically to get 166 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: back into the first round to get Kenneth Murray's like, 167 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: is that too much? But Kenneth Murray is a first 168 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: round talent without a doubt. He is the linebacker. The 169 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: evolution of the linebacker is what Kenneth Murray is. It's 170 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: what Devin White is, who went to the Super Bowl, 171 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: played out of his mind. Devin Bush is another example 172 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: of how these young, fast, physical linebackers you can coverage 173 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: about anyone in cover ton of space. And I loved 174 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Murray at Oklahoma and he led the team in snaps 175 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: in terms of among the linebackers you mentioned. He started 176 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: all sixteen games. He's only going to get better. And 177 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: the athleticism is something that that's typically the difference in 178 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: the NFL the way that the NFL has played today. 179 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: And you have Bosa upfront, as you mentioned, you have 180 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: Murray continuing to grow into that role and Staley finding 181 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: ways to use them and fingers crossed a healthy um 182 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: Derwin James and uh it's it's crazy and these are 183 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: And the reason we were talking about Isaias Sims, Jeffrey 184 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: Coot the last year with Derwin James, because you got 185 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: to stop Patrick Mahomes. That's that's that's where we're at 186 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: and that this is a great blueprint to do it. 187 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: And the good news is, I mean, there are so 188 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: many great athletes in this draft class, guys on defense 189 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: who maybe a raw that you can get late Day 190 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: two or Day three, but they can come in and 191 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: give you the type of physical skills you need to 192 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 1: fly around the field and try to keep pace with 193 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: the Tyreek Hills and the Travis Kelsey's and the Patrick Mahomes. Is. Yeah, 194 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: I think Kenneth Murray, you know, Mike tom and I'm 195 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: a Steeves Homer. Mike Thomas has a saying the arrows 196 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: pointing up or down, the arrows pointing up on Kenneth Murray, 197 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: and I think Staley will find a way to get 198 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: the most out of him based on what we saw, 199 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: if it's anything like what we saw the Rams do 200 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: last year or that defense, because that defense was all 201 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: over the place, man. And I think given how the 202 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: offense is hopefully going to be set up with Justin 203 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: Herbert puts less pressure on the defense. It's sort of 204 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: a Yin and Yang in terms of the defense doesn't 205 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: have to do everything, the offense doesn't have to do everything. 206 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: And I think having these athletes on defense is a huge, 207 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: huge boon. If fingers crossed, these guys can stay healthy. 208 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: So funny because last year we talked about slowing Patrick Mahomes. 209 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: This year we may be talking about outscoring Patrick Bones 210 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: because you have the quarterback to do it. So let's 211 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: let's play a little game here, make the case, and 212 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna start with Kyle Pitts. You alluded to it. 213 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: He is number thirteen overall in your latest block draft 214 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: to the Chargers. This guy is an absolute stud six 215 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: six two or forty six pounds. He would be the 216 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: ideal weapon for Justin Herbert. When you talk about the 217 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: other players around him, why would Kyle Pitts make the 218 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: most sense for the Chargers? He is so fun like 219 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: he is here. I've been saying that since the fall. 220 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: He's Darren Waller. And if you think Darren Waller makes 221 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: your team better, maybe that's someone you should look into. 222 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: And Kyle Pitts, I mean he takes over games. So yes, 223 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: he's listed his tight end and he gets knocked for 224 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: his blocking. He can blocked, but you don't draft him 225 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: to block anyone. That's not why he's out there. He 226 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: can play the Why you can move him out to 227 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: the slot, you can move him out, why you can 228 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: have him in motion, You can have him do any 229 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: number of things. And in every situation he is going 230 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: to be the one the difference maker, like he will 231 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: always be the one causing problems no matter who he's 232 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: lined up against. He can win deep. There's a I 233 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: was watching the Kentucky game the other day because I 234 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: was watching Kelvin Joseph who's a corner back, a really 235 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: good cornerback for Kentucky, and he joked Kelvin jo Joseph 236 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: out of his shoes and then out ran him to 237 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: the end zone. And Kelvin Joseph is a Day two 238 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: pick all day long. He probably has some first round talent, 239 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: but there may be some some off field concerns or whatever, 240 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: but the guy's a player. And I was like, this 241 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: is special and that translates. And it wasn't like he 242 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: was playing at some FCS school where he wasn't he 243 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: was the best man on the field. He was the 244 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: best man on the field in the sec and time 245 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: and time again, he is finding ways to get open 246 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: time and time again. He's making contested catches. So even 247 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: when the window is closer or closed closer to being closed, 248 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: he's still making plays. And Justin Herbert has I mean, 249 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't have issues with the arm strength, he doesn't 250 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: have issues with the accuracy, he doesn't have issues with 251 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: getting the ball out of time. So it's not like 252 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: this is going to be a security blanket for Justin Herbert. 253 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: That's something that he needs. I feel like they'll feed 254 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: off each other much in the same way that he 255 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: and Keatan Allen did, he and Hunter and Henry did, 256 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: and it's gonna make that offense that much more explosive. 257 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Love it, And you know, I look at the division, 258 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: Travis Kelce, Darren Waller, Fan Chargers, Hunter, Henry has been 259 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: one of those guys that they've drafted and developed. And 260 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Hunter and free agency. But 261 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts just an interesting name overall because he's going 262 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: to make some team better. Just I think you mentioned it, 263 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: probably maybe the best pure pass catcher in the draft 264 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: as a tight end, and he may not even be 265 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: there at thirteen. Like there, if you tell me that, 266 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: if you tell me Kyle Pitts went before Jamar Chase 267 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and DeVante Smith and Jalen Bottle, I'd be like, Okay, 268 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: I could see that. I'm sure like to the Eagles, 269 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: for example, if they took him at six, I mean, 270 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: Eagle stands would hate it. They have all sorts of needs. 271 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: But I'd be like, Okay, yeah, I can understand that 272 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: he's special. And look, he's just listed at tight end. 273 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver, he's a pass catcher. You know. 274 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: He just happens to block a little more often than 275 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: the other guys that I mentioned, maybe less than DeVonta Smith. 276 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: I don't have Dante Smith's pretty tough, but he's a 277 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: special dude. And I don't know if he'll be there thirteen, 278 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: but if he is, I would imagine the Chargers are 279 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: taking a long, a long look at him there. All right, 280 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: let's make the case for Rashawn Slater Northwestern, a guy 281 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: that can probably play across the line, opted out, didn't 282 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: play last year, had some good reps against Chase Young 283 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: the season before why would Rashawn Slater make the most 284 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: sense for the charges at thirteen? Yeah, his versatility sticks out. 285 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: So here will be the knock. If we were having 286 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: the combine, we would already heard of this because he 287 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: would have been measured. But Rashawn Slater has short arms 288 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: is the word of the street, and sometimes that's an 289 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: issue for some NFL teams. They have sort of guidelines 290 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: and if you have short arms, you can't play tackle. 291 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: But you just mentioned the Ohio State game where he 292 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: not only held his own against Chase Young, he had 293 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: some really really good reps. And I always go back 294 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: to Jonah Williams, who was two years ago drafted by 295 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals. He had quote unquote short arms, and that 296 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: was a talking point. And at the time I remember 297 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: talking at the Super Bowl. I was talking to them 298 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: the defensive line coach for the Patriots, Dante Scarnekia, and 299 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: he's like, well, short arms don't necessarily matter because if 300 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: you have a long if you have long arms and 301 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: you're blocking, like with your hands close to your chest, 302 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: you essentially have short arm. So it's just how you're 303 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: coached up and how your technique and your footwork, how 304 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: it's married together, and Reshawn's later to a lot of 305 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: things will and you touched on it. He can play tackle, 306 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: he can play guard. During the time when he opted 307 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: out during the season, he was training to take snaps 308 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: as a center. So that's five position versatility there. And 309 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: I know the Chargers are losing some guys in free 310 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: agency or perhaps will lose some guys in free agency 311 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: up and down the line. So this is a guy 312 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: who can come in and play anywhere you want and 313 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: probably play immediately. I like Penney Sewell, he's my number 314 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: one d offensive tackle, but there are people that like 315 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: reshawns Later and it's close for me. I mean, they 316 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: are both really good guys in both are top fifteen 317 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: talents in my mind, and guys that can come in 318 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: and help a football team. And look, Justin Harbert took 319 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: some hits last year, So if that's something you're interested 320 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: in reducing at the cost of missing out on a 321 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, I would certainly understand that. And of course 322 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: we haven't had free agency yet, so we'll see how 323 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: that unfolds. The needs some of these will be there, 324 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: But man, Rashawn Slater, it's not a sexy pick. If 325 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: you're a fan, like you don't get excited about an 326 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: offensive lineman necessarily, but he has a chance to be 327 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: really good and someone that I would imatch that Justin 328 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: Herbert would love to have in front of him. You know, 329 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: I've asked a lot of people that's right in your opinion, 330 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: the drop off between a guy like Sewel and Slater 331 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: and then you have Dressoul and Elijah Vita Tucker and 332 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: then you know maybe some second round guys. Is there 333 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: a huge gap when it comes to the offensive line 334 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: class between maybe the first and second guy and you 335 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: know the six and seventh tackle in this draft. Yeah, 336 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: when you get when you get into six and seven, 337 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: there there's a little drop up. But it's interesting, Like 338 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned some guys like Rashawn Slater better. I've talked 339 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: to teams that like Elijahvirta Tucker a lot, and he's 340 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: another guy with the versatility and I think in some 341 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: of my MO drafts I've head Bear Tucker going to 342 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: the charters as well. Um you know, he played guard 343 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: at USC Austin Jackson got drafted by the by the 344 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: Dolphins last year, so very Tucker kicks out, they need 345 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: help there and not only is he playing well, he's 346 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: doing some really good things. And I know I've talked 347 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: to Scott said they were blown away at how good 348 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: he was. So I think he's in the mix. Darre 349 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: Saw is a great athlete. I've talked to some teams 350 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: that they are worried about his focus from play one 351 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: play to the next. But you know, great, that's why 352 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: you have NFL coaching to make you to coach that 353 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: out of you. That's a concern that you may have 354 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: as one of the teams. So there's you get those 355 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: four there, there's Tevin Jenkins, the right tackle at Oklahoma 356 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: State who plays at a He's plays very angry and 357 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: you want a guy to play with the nash. But 358 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: you get down to six and seven, Well, there's Sam 359 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: coach to me out of Texas. Jalen Mayfield out of 360 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: Michigan's the right tackle, a guy who who's still growing. 361 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: He doesn't his anchor isn't always the best in terms 362 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: of going up against stout pass rushers. But again he's 363 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two years old. That's not an issue. 364 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: But I do think that you have a drop off 365 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: from those top three or four guys. But that's always 366 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: the case. You know, it's a matter of give and 367 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: take and what you're willing to settle for and what 368 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: you like about a guy and where you're drafting, of course, 369 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, you can find guys day second round. You 370 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: can find guys in the third round and the trade 371 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: office of course, Okay, how polished are they is the 372 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: athleticism there, But there are guys that can help you 373 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: right away. Definitely on day two charges with nine picks too. 374 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: So it's interesting to see what position groups are deep 375 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: that maybe you can wait around or two um cornerback, 376 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: make the case for Patrick Curtan. And this is interesting 377 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: to me. I'm following little bread pumps here, Ryan, because 378 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: Charles Kelly was at FSU with Derwin James and Jalen Ramsey, 379 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: right Brandon there was with Jalen Ramsey. Ramsey and Derwin 380 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: are best friends. Kelly compared Ramsey and Certan in terms of, 381 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, being a lockdown corner. Make the case for 382 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Certan as an LA charger at thirteen. It's funny 383 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: you use the Jalen Ramsey comparison. I was talking to 384 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: someone in the league a few months ago about certain 385 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: and Caleb Farley. Calen Farley's my cornerback one CB one, 386 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: but it's close. It's like they're it's like inches. But 387 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: the scout I was talking to compared Caleb Farley to 388 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: Jaylen Ramsey, and I think the takeaway is both these 389 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: players are big, they are physical, they are athletic, they 390 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: are playmakers. Caleb Farley is a lot less experience in 391 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: the position. He's a converted wide receiver. And we know 392 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Hurtan, I mean, he has delineas his dad was 393 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: a really good player in the NFL for a long time. 394 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: This is one of those picks where it makes me 395 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: feel old when I when I cause I think of 396 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: Patrick's Chirtan in Miami, right with the Sam Madison. That 397 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: makes me feel old. That's right. Yeah, No, I'm so old. 398 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: I could be a lot of these guys dads, That's 399 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: how old I am. But Pat, I mean, there's a 400 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: lot to like about what Patrick Hurtan does. Now, he's 401 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: not as athletic as Caleb Farley, but as I mentioned, 402 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: he is much more nuanced and experienced in terms of 403 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: playing the position, and that's just virtue of doing it 404 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: for so much longer. Could Caleb Farley end up being better. 405 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: I think maybe he could, but again, you know what 406 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: you're getting in Patrick's hurtan And the weird thing is, 407 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: and it's funny, we talked about this all the time, 408 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: Like we were talking about Jeffrey Couter a year ago, 409 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: were talking about Zaia Simmons. Both those guys struggled. Isaiah 410 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: Simmons struggled early in his rookie season and he got 411 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: better sort of as he found his position. But Jeffrey 412 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Couo struggled for most of that season. He battled some 413 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: injuries as well. There's coaching turnover and all that, but 414 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: we just don't know. But you can go based on 415 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: what you saw. A Kuda was dominant Ohio State, and 416 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: certain was dominant at Alabama. He was the best cornerback 417 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: on the team this year obviously, but last year too. 418 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: And they had Trevon Diggs, the second round pick for 419 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and another big, sort of physical, strapping cornerback. 420 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, it's funny you talk to 421 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: teams and they have two views on the cornerbacks, like 422 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: do you want you don't want your cornerback to be 423 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: too big in that he can't bend and get in 424 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: and out of breaks. But he can't also be five 425 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: eight and get pushed around by the Keaton Allens of 426 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: the world. So you need to find that happy medium. 427 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: And I think certain is a big guy, but I 428 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: think he moves like a much smaller cornerback. All Right, 429 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: fourth one, we're on a wide receiver. Christo Teffasser came 430 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: on last week and had Jaylen Wildle to the Chargers. 431 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Jayala Waddle in terms 432 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: of speed, and we talked about going toe to toe 433 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs. You know, this is this 434 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: is your Tyreek Hill, right, this is this is your speed. 435 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: Sure to go with your jumpball guy and Mike Williams, 436 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: you're Christine route Runner and Keenan Allen Austin equally coming 437 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: out of the backfield, a tight end like Hunter Henry 438 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: potentially make the case for Jalen Waddle and what the 439 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: offense would look like with Justin Herbert throwing the ball deep, 440 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: because I believe eleven of Jaylen Waddle's twenty touchdowns were 441 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: fifty yards or more. I mean, just thinking about the 442 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: sentence you just said out loud, I mean it is 443 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: boggers again. There's so many guys that I love this 444 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: draft class. I Jaylen Waddle, in my mind, is gonna 445 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: be better than Henry Ruggs. He was better than Henry 446 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: Ruggs at Alabama, and that's no disrespect to Henry Ruggs 447 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: was the first wide receiver drafted last year. But he 448 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: is much more versatile and nuance in terms of his 449 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: approach to the game. You know, it felt like Henry 450 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: Ruggs was just run as fast you can and we'll 451 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: try to out the or everyone and see if he 452 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: gets you down there, and that was more of his game, 453 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: or catch a quick slant. Jalen Widdle seems is much 454 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: better at doing a lot more things. He also returns kicks. 455 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: That's how he got hurt. But on that freak injury 456 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: he gets Tennessee. But he is so explosive. And for 457 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: an idea of how explosive he is, you know, you're 458 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: watching the National Championship game and he had just come 459 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: he had finally come back from that ankle injury, and 460 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: you know, he was limping through warmups and he was 461 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: still the fastest player in the field by what felt 462 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: like two or three tenths of a of a of 463 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: a second, he was just so fast and he got 464 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: out there and he'd run arount and limp and then 465 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: he would catch the ball and out run everyone to 466 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: the sideline. And not only is he tough and we 467 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: saw that with him out there, but he is just 468 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: so he's a game changer. And you mentioned sort of 469 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: the Tyreek Hill thing. He's that type of talent that 470 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: just scares defenses to death. And I think Trepasso had 471 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: him as his number one wide receiver. Did Yeah, he's 472 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: crazy like that. I'm not gonna go that far, but 473 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: he's good. Man. Look if he was the second wide 474 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: receiver taken, I could totally understand it. And maybe they're 475 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: I mean, Henry Rugs went first, and you know, I 476 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 1: liked Jerry Judy better. I liked the what's his name, 477 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: Stedee Lamb better, but Henry that's who the Raiders liked, 478 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: and that's who they took. And maybe that happens with Waddle, 479 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: but I think Waddle is a better player, and oh 480 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: I got him, And imagine him with Keenan Allen and 481 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: Mike Williams and acclar as you mentioned, and impossibly Hunter 482 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: Henry that's nasty. And by the way, that's actually nastier 483 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: than what the Chiefs could potentially have next year because 484 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: they're losing potentially Sammy Watkins. They have Clydd Hilaire who 485 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: had a pretty good seat rookie season. But that's a 486 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: lot of firepower, especially when you know I didn't mention 487 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: Jalen Guyden and Tyron Johnson, and those were the deep 488 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: threat guys for Herbert last year. As a matter of fact, 489 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: I believe it was overtime where he hit Guyden to 490 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: beat the Raiders. Yeah, I think a couple of plays 491 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: later he had bombs to Guyden and Tyron Johnson against 492 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay in Week four, going toe to toe with Brady. 493 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: So when you go one to five, I mean, if 494 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: you really want to stack weapons, charges could put together 495 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: a pretty potent combo or not combo, but really just 496 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: one to five when you talk about wide receiver, and 497 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: that's the thing. We're not in an NFL anymore where 498 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: you only need two or three good wide receivers. I mean, 499 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: look at the Buccaneers. They had a slew of good 500 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: wide receivers and you can never have enough. So I know, 501 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: sometimes fans get angry on Twitter if I the wide 502 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: receiver goes to a team that their team and they 503 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: don't want one. Man, Listen, take them. You can never 504 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: have enough. You need guys who can get open because 505 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: defensive backs, as you know, are getting faster, more physical, 506 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: to getting stronger, the nickel backs, the dime backs. So 507 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: you need guys to be able to beat those guys. 508 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: And the Chiefs have almost perfected it. They didn't do 509 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: it in the Super Bowl, but but the Buccaneers certainly 510 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: did a lot there. And I think, man, Jalen Waddle 511 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: or Kyle Pitts, that's just one more huge weapon and 512 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: not a fourth or fifth option. Those are like number 513 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: one number two guys to go along with all the 514 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: number one and the number two guys you already have. Man, 515 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: it would make the AFC West just wild if that 516 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: were to happen. All right, I'm gonna give you a 517 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: solcard here. You pick a guy make the case for 518 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: another player that we didn't talk about to the Chargers 519 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: at number thirteen. Overall, we mentioned there is a lot 520 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: of scenarios in which the Chargers may have a really 521 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: blue chip player kind of fall in their lap at thirteen. Yeah, 522 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: so it's funny we haven't talked about any of the 523 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: defensive guy. We we we talk about Keith Murray a little bit. 524 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: But in terms of my mock drafts, I'm looking through 525 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: some of the names I've had go there in recent weeks, 526 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: and here's the guy I'll mention now. He will probably 527 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: you look at the sort of media mock drafts, he's 528 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: going probably twenty or later. But I really like this guy, 529 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: and I think we'll see what happens with Melvin Ingram. 530 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: Melvin's thirty one, I think, so he's up there like 531 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: like along with Von Miller. So we'll see what happens 532 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: with him. But if if the Chargers will look into 533 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: bolster the edge Jalen Phillips out of and you guys 534 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: are probably familiar with them from Ucla, like he went 535 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: to the U. He trance. He started at UCLA, got 536 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: injured and he retired in twenty eighteen, transferred to the U, 537 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: came out of retirement, was healthy, and he just absolutely 538 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: bald out this year. He's six five, two sixty five 539 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: things way he's listed that and he is every bit 540 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: of that. So the visual of him opposite Joey Bosa, 541 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: along with Kenneth Murray and Drwin James. That's a scary 542 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: proposition because he is stout against the run. He is 543 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: nasty as a pass rusher. And again we talked about this, 544 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: if your goal is to slow up Patrick Mahomes, there's 545 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: a lot of ways you can do. You can try 546 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: to outscore him, and that's a dicey proposition, but you 547 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: can also get after make it uncomfortable. And we saw 548 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: what that look like in the super Bowl, and large 549 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: part because the Buccaneers had so much firepower in that 550 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: defensive line. And I think you can never have enough, 551 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: just like enough sort of receivers and targets, you can 552 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: never enough pass rushers. So Jaalen Phillips is a guy 553 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: that I think that there'll be some questions about his 554 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: medical If teams are okay with it, he can sneak 555 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: into the top fifteen. And this is not a pass 556 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: rush an edge rush class where we have a Chase Young. 557 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: But there'll be a guy, a bunch of guys, four 558 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: or five or six guys that go in a group 559 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: anywhere from thirteen to thirty two, and it'll be hard 560 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: to figure out how they're going to turn out. We 561 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: have to wait and see because so many of these 562 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: guys are early on in their career and sort of 563 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: growing into these roles as young players. But Jayalen Phillips 564 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: is a guy that I like a lot and had 565 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: a great season and made himself a lot of money 566 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: when he played twenty twenty with the Hurricanes. I love 567 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: that you mentioned that because I think to prior stops 568 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: Brandon's daily had with Khalil Mack at Chicago and then 569 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: having Chubb and Miller in Denver. Imagine a Phillips Bosa 570 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: pass Russian combo with you Chenning Wosu coming in there 571 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: as well. That could be something. And I love that 572 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: you also said, how can you beat Patrick Mahomes? You 573 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: could do it with the stout secondary, You could do 574 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: it getting out to the quarterback. You try to outscore them. 575 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: We've kind of listed out a bunch of different options 576 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: to better equip the Chargers to beat the Chiefs, whether 577 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: it's on offense, ve or defense. Yeah, And that's the thing. 578 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: It's sort of funny because you know you're trying to 579 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: take the big picture, like, well, you have to play 580 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: fourteen other games. You do, but at the end of 581 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: the day, you still got to go through Kansas City. 582 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: Because if you're in the playoffs, there's a pretty good 583 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: chance you're either going to Arrowhead if you're lucky, that 584 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: they're coming to see you, and that's going to determine 585 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: how far you get. Tom Brady's no longer in the conference. 586 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: You have to worry about that. Patrick Mahomes is now, 587 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: there's Josh Allen, there's Lamar Jackson, all that. But look, man, 588 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: Justin Justin Herberts is every bit as good as those guys, 589 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: and a year from now he may be even clearly 590 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: the best of the bunch. But I think you gotta 591 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: beat Andy Reid, you gotta be Patrick Mahomes. And that's 592 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: the same conversation that we had with Tom Brady for 593 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: for twenty years. I mean, you're not talking about beating 594 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the Steelers because at the end of the day, the 595 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: Steelers can't be the Patriots. So you can talk about, 596 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, the other the Bills, for example, but they're 597 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: not beating the Chiefs yet. And that's where we have 598 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: to That's where you have to get as an organization. 599 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: And I think, how do you do it? You do 600 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: it with speed, you do with creating pressure, and you 601 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: do it with scoring points and God, the Chargers are 602 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: in good position. I know they were only won seven games, 603 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: but you and I were talking, they certainly could have 604 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: won two or three more than that of the ball 605 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: a bounced a certain way. And they're an organization where 606 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, as I mentioned, the arrow is pointing up there, 607 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna be exciting. It's gonna be fun to see. 608 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: You know, you get two cracks at the Chiefs, and 609 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: winning in your division is so important. That they had 610 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: lost nine straight up until the last three weeks of 611 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: last year where they won three straight division games four 612 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: in a row to end the year. So you want 613 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: to keep that momentum going. You have to win in 614 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: the division to get into the playoffs. Ryan Wilson Man, 615 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: I always loved this conversation. This was a lot of 616 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: fun making the case for five different dudes at five 617 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: different positions that could all help the Chargers. You mentioned 618 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: you're doing a mock draft every single week. Let fans 619 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: know what you're doing on the podcast side, writing everything 620 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: you have going on leading up to the draft. Yeah. So, uh, 621 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: they do a podcast, So every Tuesday at four pm 622 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: on CBS Sports, HQ, SO Roku, Apple TV, wherever you 623 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: get your online view. And you can watch that there. 624 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: I do the PI six podcast where your buddy and 625 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: my buddy Will Brentson. We do that three or four 626 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: times a week. I can find that where we get 627 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: your podcasts and right. So once a week the mock 628 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: drafts come out. They've been doing that since September and 629 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: breaking news Chris next week. I've been in for him 630 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: of doing a three round mock draft, so I'll be 631 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: so we're breaking out the three rounds and before it's 632 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: all setting down, I'm sure to the seven round er. 633 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: So that is something to look forward to if that's 634 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: your thing. A three rounder next week, man, I can't wait. 635 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: Ran Wilson. Always appreciate the time. Brother, We'll see you soon. 636 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. Gras. All right, as we roll on here 637 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: on Chargers Weekly, Little Beat Writer's round Table, Joe Ready 638 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: Associated Press, Jeff Miller La Times Fresh Haircut. It's been 639 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: ten months since a cut, Jeff at ten months is 640 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 1: long long overdue of all the roster moves that had 641 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: to be made this up season. Me cutting my hair 642 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: was number one on my h was on my to 643 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: do list. Believe me, it's strong. Strong. Guys were taping 644 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: this right after Thom Celesko's pressor would normally be in Indianapolis, 645 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: and we talk about free agency in the draft, and 646 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: obviously we heard from Tom when Brandon Saley was introduced 647 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: as head coach. Not a lot has really happened or 648 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: changed since then, but just general takeaways, Joe, I'll start 649 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: with you. I think the word of the day was adaptability, 650 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: just in the talks with coaches and college scouts and 651 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: the GM and the personnel guys, because the coaches are 652 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: the ones that have to discuss the type of players 653 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: that they want the scouts to get for them. And 654 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, it almost sounded like this soft season, or 655 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: leading up to this season, maybe there was instructions from Tom, 656 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: or maybe the college scouts took it on their own 657 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: that there might be transition coming into this soft season. 658 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: So maybe on the scouting keep as wide a lens 659 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: as possible just stin case, which it sounds like they 660 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: did do that. But you know, we're two weeks from 661 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: the start of the league year and things are even 662 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: more unsettled than what I can remember for a long time. 663 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: We don't know the final salary cap numbers. Teams are 664 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: in the process of tagging now, but you don't know 665 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: what those tag numbers are going to be, and just 666 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: a whole lot of unknowns until we get that final 667 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: salary cap number. And I think a lot of that 668 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: is contingent on the new League TV deals to maybe 669 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: bump up the number this year to where you know 670 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: you've got maybe a few more teams that are comfortable 671 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: instead of right being at that cap number and having 672 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: to renegotiate deals. Jeff, I think it would be silly 673 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: for any of us to know what's going to happen 674 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: over the next five or six weeks, with potential cuts 675 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: happening over the next couple of weeks free agency and 676 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: then the draft, and really having this kind of uncharted 677 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: territory for all thirty two NFL teams who won't have 678 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: the combine as it normally looks, may not have a 679 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: full body of work in terms of film, and then, 680 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: as Joe alluded to, just having to navigate around this 681 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: salary cap, maybe having to cut key veterans that you 682 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to in any other year. Absolutely, one thing 683 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: I do want to say first, Chris, is I think 684 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: it's so fitting where we are right now in the 685 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: timeline of the world that we're on a zoom meeting 686 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: and Joe has cutouts in his background of his zoom. 687 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: Does that summarize where we are? Hey, if we were 688 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: if we were doing this a year ago and somebody 689 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: was just watching this for the first time, it's all 690 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: Joe with two gunouts of his dogs and us on zoom, 691 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: I think they'd have a few questions. Oh exactly, the 692 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: one that year a hundred percent right? And the thing 693 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: to me that is of all that thing that is 694 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think these guys will they'll figure out 695 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the evaluation and they'll they'll h a 696 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: lot of that Stuff's gonna gonna work out. The issue. 697 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: The biggest issue is the salary cap and the fact 698 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: that is going down, which is something that nobody you know, 699 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: you talk about a year ago. Nobody would have seen 700 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: this coming. Um, So that's that's really I think the 701 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: thing that's going to be the biggest obstacle to overcome here. 702 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the stuff they're gonna figure out. 703 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: The Like I said, the evaluation was with these pro 704 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: days and these guys, you know, they grind over this 705 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: tape for hours and hours. So I think they're the 706 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: probably most teams are going to be able to figure 707 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: out a lot of that um, and as we know, 708 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: after the first round or two, the draft really becomes 709 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: sort of a crapshoot anyway every year, So that to 710 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: me probably isn't as big of a deal as my 711 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: phone rings UM. But really, that salary cap is the 712 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: one that I think is causing teams the most consternation. 713 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: A lot of team the charges are in a good, 714 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: pretty good spot compared to some teams. Some teams are 715 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: on a really bad spot. Teams like New Orleans, I 716 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: mean they you know, we're I think we're going to 717 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: see a lot of players get cut over here that 718 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks, and there's gonna be 719 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: a lot of surprise. I think there'll be some real 720 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: surprises where teams are just gonna have to cut guys 721 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: they don't want to cut. So I think that's probably 722 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: the biggest obstacle that teams are facing. Joe one of 723 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: the things that stood out to me, I think towards 724 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: the end of Thomas press conference is talking about Staley 725 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: and how in tune he is with the league, and 726 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: I think about the unpredictability of the next couple of 727 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: weeks and Jeff mentioned team like the Saints. There's a 728 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: lot of teams that have cap issues right now, far 729 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: worse than anything the Chargers are in. Thoms said, they 730 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: may not be big spenders, but they're in a pretty 731 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: good space. But the fact that Staley is so in 732 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: tune with what's going on on both sides of the 733 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: football around the league, it may present, Okay, we didn't 734 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: expect this guy to get released. He fits with what 735 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: we want to do offensively, or he fits with what 736 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,959 Speaker 1: we want to do defensively. And I get that sense 737 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: just you know, having from his ninety minute pressor it's 738 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: what we've seen from from Staley help in tune. He 739 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: is with what the league is today, and that could 740 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: be an advantage for the Chargers. I think the one thing, too, Chris, 741 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: that a lot of people around the league aren't talking about. 742 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: But I think that is bigger this year, maybe compared 743 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: to last year, is if a guy gets cut or 744 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: even on free agency visits, teams are going to be 745 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: allowed to bring them into the complex. So I think 746 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: that will get some deals done quicker because you can 747 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: do the medical, you can find out, Okay, this guy 748 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: was cut because of this and salary, but there was 749 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: an underlying medical issue also which I think, which I 750 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: think will will help further things. But I know the 751 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: one thing Tom said too is he's switching from a 752 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: four to three to a three to four. Don't get 753 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: caught up in the numbers and in the base on that, 754 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: because I think, yeah, it'll be a base three four, 755 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: but they might run that fifteen twenty percent of the time, 756 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: might be more of a five two at times, might 757 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: be a lot more nickel. Just I think the adaptability, 758 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: and it seemed like we heard that word at nauseum 759 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: during the forty forty five minutes. It's going to be 760 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 1: the main thing I think on both sides of the ball. 761 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: Jeff Tom was pretty direct on where the team needs 762 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: to improve in all three phases. He's talked about being 763 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: more efficient running the football and in the red zone. 764 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: Defensively obviously getting takeaways and getting more pressure on the quarterback, 765 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: and then special teams said fuel position must improve a 766 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: lot of things I think need to improve special teams wise, 767 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: Does that give you any any hints into what you 768 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: think this team they want to be pursuing here in 769 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: the draft and free agency? Maybe maybe a little bit. 770 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's vastly different than maybe what 771 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: it would have been. I think we all know everyone 772 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: knows their offensive line. Anything on the offense has got 773 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: to start with the line in terms of improvement that 774 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: there's no question about that. And this. You know, the 775 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: short yardage and they've read zone. That's been an issue 776 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: for the last couple of seasons for this team, So 777 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: that that was going to be an issue no matter 778 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: what what what was happening coaching wise, or scheme wise, 779 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: or any of that stuff. The one thing on defense 780 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: is I would say is I think Brandon Staley's defense 781 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: is going to be more of an aggressive They're I 782 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: think they're going to try to They're going to try 783 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: to manufacture more pressure just naturally, and they're gonna they're 784 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: going to try to bring more pressure than what the 785 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: Chargers did under gust Bradley. So I think, just sort 786 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: of organically, you would think just in play calling and 787 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: some of the stuff they're gonna do, that should that 788 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: what they're doing should lend itself to more of that 789 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: in which, in turn, in theory, should you know, open 790 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: up more possibilities for turnovers. The flip side being they 791 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: could be more susceptible to the big play and stuff 792 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: that that Gus was trying to prevent. So I think 793 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: that you know that that scheme change and that sort 794 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: of philosophy change a little bit. Even though as Tom 795 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: mentioned that Joe mentioned that you don't want to get 796 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: too caught up in three four versus four to three. 797 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times it's not going to 798 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: look at that much difference just as you're watching the 799 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: games on TV, as fans are sitting there in their 800 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: living room, they may not even notice much of a 801 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: difference unless they really break it down. But I think 802 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: the fact that they Staleley's philosophy, it's going to be 803 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: it will look different what they're doing on defense in 804 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: terms of some of the some of the chances they 805 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: might take, and some of the positions they might put 806 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: Guys like Derwin James. You know, I think I would 807 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: be shocked if we didn't see Derwin h blitzing more 808 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 1: than we have in the past. And obviously we haven't 809 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: seen Derwin play a whole lot the last couple of 810 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: seasons as it is. But I think when you know, 811 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: during his rookie year he saw a little bit of that. 812 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: I think that's something just as an example we'll probably 813 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: see more of with this new scheme and this new philosophy. 814 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: I want to throw this up to both of you guys, 815 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: because with the salary cap that Joe mentioned, the fact 816 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: that the Chargers have nine picks, this could be a 817 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: year where again, the film is going to be a 818 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: little bit different for guys who opted out or you 819 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: may not have that full sample size. So if you 820 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: can hit on some of these draft picks and they 821 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: can become contributors. I go back like twenty eighteen when 822 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 1: Darwin played all sixteen games, Chenna and Justin Jones came 823 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: on late in the year. Guys were pretty productive from 824 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: that draft class. Justin Jackson had had a couple of 825 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: big games. He was a seventh ron pick. If you 826 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: can get contributors from this draft class on rookie deals 827 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: and you have nine selections, maybe a few of these 828 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,280 Speaker 1: guys slipped through the cracks because the lack of film. 829 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's where the scouting and the scouting 830 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: department really comes into play this offseason. Joe, you also 831 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: got draft capital with nine picks too. You can move up, 832 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: You can move Yeah, into maybe a second or third 833 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: round and get an extra second round pick depending on 834 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, depending on what's out there. You know, we 835 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: talk about guys on rookie deals. You know, it's an 836 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: advantage that you have a quarterback on a rookie deal. 837 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: But also this twenty nineteen class, a lot of those 838 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: guys are going into the third year of a four 839 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: year deal. That group, we need to see a lot 840 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,280 Speaker 1: more consistent production out of that group because that group 841 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: right now, to put it kindly, is struggling a bit. 842 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: So you know, see a march out of them. And 843 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: then you know with the rookies, there were you know, 844 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 1: everybody is caught up on Justin but you know, Kenneth 845 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: Murray had a good rookie season, Josh Kelly had a 846 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: nice burst early on. kJ Hill showed some stuff late 847 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: in the year. You know, Joe Reid as far as 848 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: his returnability and stuff, didn't see it that much last 849 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: year because of maybe some struggles at wide receiver and 850 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: building the game day roster. It's really you know, hopefully 851 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: get a couple impact rookie starters this year, but also 852 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: you know, the last two draft classes, there's got to 853 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: be that more consistent grouping too, and also going back 854 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: to something that Jeff was talking about earlier with Durwin, 855 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: I kind of see maybe Brandon, going back to the 856 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: tape of Durwin and his Florida State days, kind of 857 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: playing that star position where he might line up at 858 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: linebacker more than we've seen in the past, I mean hacked. 859 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: There were there were times at Florida State where even 860 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: Durwin was lining up on the defensive line outside of 861 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: it as a rush ends. So it'll be interesting with 862 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: Brandon to see what happens with Durwin. Joe, you bring 863 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: up a good point about the twenty nineteen class, and Jeff, 864 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: it's guys like Tillery, Adderleie and Trey Pipkins, specifically those 865 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: two guys on defense. Perhaps Staley can find a role 866 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: that cansistently fits with what they do best. And then 867 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: a guy like Trey Pipkins. We talked about developing the 868 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: offensive line. Trey Pipkins was drafting a twenty nineteen to 869 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: not play right away. So this is a pivotal, pivotal 870 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: year for Trey Pipkins to see if he can be 871 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: a part of that starting rotation. Oh absolutely, And you 872 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: know we've everyone knows, like I mentioned about the offensive 873 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: line issue shoes that this team has and Trey I 874 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: don't know what really happened with him last year. He 875 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, there there obviously was a new UH offensive 876 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: line coaching. Maybe there was, It didn't quite you know, 877 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: yeah what I don't know. It just maybe they didn't 878 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,479 Speaker 1: mesh there. Who knows. I mean, he he did play 879 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: a decent amount, but he it looked like he struggled, 880 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: looked like he was really inconsistent. And by the end 881 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: of the season, you know, he was not playing and 882 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: Storm Norton was in there and they weren't even playing Tray. 883 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: So he definitely you know, we say this a lot 884 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 1: about with these rookie guys, but it definitely applies here. Again, 885 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: a huge offseason for him. They need him to step 886 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: forward if he's going to and and maybe new coaching staff, 887 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,760 Speaker 1: maybe fresh start a little bit of that. It certainly 888 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: can't hurt him, I mean, but he but he you're 889 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: right here, it's time for him to show whether he 890 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: can develop into what they what they thought he might 891 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: be when they took him as a project admittedly UH 892 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and it's you know, the NFL, time 893 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: moves fast. You don't have there's not a lot of 894 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of time, a lot of 895 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, open roster spots to just kind of developed guys. 896 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: It's it's an unforgiving league in that regard, and so 897 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: they need to figure out where this is. And I 898 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: think you know where Trey is. And I think probably 899 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: they're hoping that given a new coaching staff, that maybe 900 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: he can find maybe a comfort zone and he'll be 901 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: able to take a pretty big step forward that he's 902 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: going to need to take if he's gonna have a 903 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: future in this team, on this team and in this league. 904 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: I want to get you guys out of here on this. 905 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: I've been doing this every week, getting a draft analyst 906 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: on just to talk about what the Charges could possibly do. 907 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: It's it's one of those exercises that changes every single week, 908 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: and it's really just for fun because we have no 909 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: idea what's going to happen. But at thirteen overall, there 910 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: are a number of ways they could go. I think 911 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: everybody is thinking offensive line is priority A, B, and C. 912 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: But if you have a deep class, and I was 913 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: just having this conversation with Ryan Wilson CBS. If you 914 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: have a deep tackle class and a guy like Jalen 915 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: Waddle or Kyle Pitts is a bail at number thirteen, 916 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: and you look around that division and you see all 917 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: the weapons at Denver has and what Vegas did in 918 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: getting rugs, and we obviously know Kelsey and Tyreek Hill 919 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: and all the weapons the Chiefs have. Would it be 920 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: crazy to say, all right, Chargers, let's add Jalen Waddle 921 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: to the mix. Well, we'll see your Tyree Hill and 922 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: we'll raise you a jail and Waddle, or we'll see 923 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: your Travis Kelsey will raise you a Kyle Pitts for 924 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. He's got Mike Williams, he's got Keenan Allen, 925 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: he's got all these other guys that we talked about 926 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: last year, Tyrann Johnson, Jail and Guiden Neckla out of 927 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: the backfield. But when getting him another weapon in the 928 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: first round be a crazy idea, Joe, No, not at all. 929 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: I think if Kyle Pitts is there, you run, you 930 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: run to I don't know if the drafts still going 931 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: to be in Cleveland or not, or whether we're going 932 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: to be doing virtual again. You get that card in 933 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: as soon as possible. I think with the receiving tight end, 934 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: I think they would love to have Hunter Henry back, 935 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: but you know, the Kyle Pitts would be a heck 936 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: of a upgrade. Jalen Waddle, I do have some injury 937 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: concerns just and especially this team's history with injuries. Is 938 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: that is that a wise move? Do you get? I 939 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: know Mike Williams is in the last year of his 940 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: deal and stuff, but considering the overarching need to tackle, 941 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: do you maybe go that way instead of player with 942 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: a little bit of an injury history? And I think 943 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: that's one of the things. Not having to combine an 944 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: injury in India is the biggest factor that teams can't 945 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 1: do the medicals. So it's how much can you rely 946 00:46:51,800 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: on what the Bama doctors have? Do you you? I 947 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to be doing draft visit 948 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: or not. Do you use one of those thirty draft 949 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: visits on a jail and waddle to get the due 950 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: diligence on medical? How much do you send a guide 951 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: to Alabama's Pro day and get all of that? But 952 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: I think at thirteen, I know we're fixated on the 953 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: offensive line and deservedly so. But there's you know, there's 954 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways they can go. And if 955 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: it's a deep class as far as offensive tackle, if 956 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,760 Speaker 1: they get an offer and they can't refuse at thirteen, 957 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: do they trade down and Jeff, let me throw another 958 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: position at you again. We just had this conversation Patrick 959 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: Certain from Alabama, a shutdown corner who was coached by 960 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: Charles Kelly, the Associated DC and safety's coach at Alabama. 961 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: He coached Ramsey and Derwin James at FSU. Compare Certain 962 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 1: to Ramsey. So if you pair a guy like Drwin 963 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 1: with Patrick Curt hand it again. These conversations are all 964 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: hypothetical with tackle and offensive weapon and corner. I just 965 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of options. You can a continue 966 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 1: to boost your secondary, be protect Justin Herbert in the 967 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: first round, or see go toe for toe with the 968 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. In terms of offensive weapons, there's really 969 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: no shortage of possibilities because there's gonna be a really 970 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: good player there in one of those three positions or 971 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: maybe even another position exactly like you you asked, Joe, 972 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: I would agree right now, sitting here in the middle 973 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: of March it's approaching the middle of March, or I 974 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: guess we're in the first week of March. Stone these 975 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: months are longer stand snow, Jeff, So sitting here in 976 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: the first week of March, let me rephrase that's it's 977 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: really difficult to tell because, for one thing, by the 978 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: time we get to the draft, who knows, you know, 979 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: they may have addressed their offensive line exactly early in 980 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,479 Speaker 1: the free agency for one thing, and we, like we've 981 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: been talking, we don't know who still might be available. 982 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: Is in terms of free agency, let alone the guys 983 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: that we think are going to be available. There may 984 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: be some guys that that aren't that expensive, who are 985 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: pretty good players who become available, and you could they 986 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: may build that way a little bit and all of 987 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, now the idea of going to a different 988 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: position is not ridiculous at all. So there's still some 989 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,800 Speaker 1: time to sort that up. But you mentioned the corner 990 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: corners of a need. I don't think there's any question 991 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: about that with this team, they they could use another cornerback. 992 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: We I think we all sort of assume that Michael 993 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: Davis will get resigned somehow and will be will be 994 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,760 Speaker 1: on this team next year. And I think they they're 995 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: certainly the previous regime was high on Michael and I 996 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 1: guess I'm guessing these coaches of seeing this, watching the tape, 997 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: and they're familiar with him and would also be high 998 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: on him. But they know Casey Hareward had a tough season. 999 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 1: We all know that he had some injuries. And as 1000 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: players get older, that's not a position that again it's 1001 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: it's just not a position that's it is really good 1002 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: for it as an age player, it's very difficult to 1003 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 1: play cornerback in the NFL as you age, and when 1004 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: you've got anybody, when you've got any kind of player 1005 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 1: who they're comparing, you know, Jalen Ramsey to you, that's 1006 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: going to you know, perk up your your ears. And 1007 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: I think certainly Certan as everybody knows what kind of 1008 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: a career he's had so far in college, and any 1009 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: team in the NFL I think would take him right now, 1010 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,359 Speaker 1: including the Charger, So um now that right now, it's 1011 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: there's just there's so much unknown and so much uncertainty 1012 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,839 Speaker 1: that all of these things are worth talking about because 1013 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: they're all viable options. None of this is crazy or 1014 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 1: you know, completely coming out of left field. It gives 1015 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: us great content, if nothing else, for the next six 1016 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: seven weeks. We could talk about these guys, and you know, 1017 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: these mock drafts kind of provide a leaping off point 1018 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: just to learn more about each of these prospects. You know, 1019 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: there's this tackle class seems to be pretty deep, and 1020 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: talk about the skill position players dB. So you know 1021 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking probably in the next three or 1022 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: four weeks and having a completely different conversation about something 1023 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 1: that we didn't even mention in this roundtable. I look 1024 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: forward to it. Joe Ready, Associated Press, Jeff Miller, La 1025 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: Times gentlemen, always appreciate it, and we'll see you next time. 1026 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: All right, thanks guys, than gross. All right, guys, this's 1027 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. A big thanks to Jeff Miller, 1028 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: Joe Ready, and Ryan Wilson for joining me, and of 1029 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 1: course thanks to you all for listening. Be sure to 1030 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: download and subscribe to the Chargers Podcast Network wherever you 1031 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,439 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. Have a great weekend, and until next time, 1032 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hary.