WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 203 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.120 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.760 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.719 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.560 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.520 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.280 Welcome to take it up. And here a podcast where 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:35.080 the it is the authoritarian takeover of the city of Chicago. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.840 I'm your host, Mia Wong, and today is an episode 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.880 that was significantly delayed by the fact that our guest 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.400 got shot in the face by riot munitions while attempting 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.960 to cover an anti ice protest and an ice facility, 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.600 and then her coworker was fucking grabbed by the Feds 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.960 the next day, which she was also still out at 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.600 for reasons that are semi incomprehensible to me, because again, 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:03.960 she was just shot in the face. Since this is Raven, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.840 a journalist with the independent outlet Unraveled, which really truly 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.480 is doing a lot of incredible work on the incredible 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.480 proliferation of ice raids around Chicago. Raven, Welcome to the show. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.959 Oh boy, oh. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:27.160 Boys, is right? Thanks for that intro. Yeah, we're in 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.160 the ship right now, We're in it. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.399 Yeah, I guess I would to immediately start this with 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.000 you are mostly you're basically okay from my understanding, from 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.280 getting shot in the face of the right munition like 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:39.920 a week ago. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.800 I am. I am basically okay. I have like some 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.840 swelling still in my jaw. I'm going to the doctor. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.640 We'll see like if there's any soft tissue like lingering 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.560 effects later on down the line. But nothing's broken. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.960 Yeah, which, thank god, holy shit, thank god that I 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.280 can really fuck you up permanently. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.840 Like yeah, I mean it's spent several weeks now of 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:07.200 the FEDS just pummeling people with these stupid little pepper 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.680 ball rounds. Yep, And like the core of it is 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.480 like metal, you know, it's like this little bullet thing 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.799 with like the pepper powder on the outside. So if 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.520 you shoot someone in the face with those, I mean, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.720 like we've seen horrific injuries these last few weeks protesters 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.000 and also like people getting concussions from like you know, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.120 sear gas canisters exploding right by their heads and other things, 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:37.560 broken bones from these really violent arrests, and yeah, it's 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.840 just been awful. Not gonna lie. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:41.280 Yeah, I was. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.079 Shot at, like literally, I was like taking a photo 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.280 of a fed like an oppressed gaggle. We were all 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.720 hiding behind this van while we're just like being shot at. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.000 And this guy, I mean, he stared right at me 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:56.800 and like right down the barrel of my lens like 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:01.040 he knew what he was doing. She's christ Yeah, another 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.720 reporter it was like a similar situation where these guys 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.560 like fucking ambushed them. Like it was just two reporters 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.760 like hiding behind a van and these guys came up 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.200 along the side of the fence and just started like 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.360 shooting them in the face with these rounds. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.480 Yeah. So, and this has been at the protests at 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.520 the ice facility in Broadview. Yeah. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.040 Broadby is like just a tiny little suburb, like just 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.120 outside of Chicago. It's still in Cook County, majority black suburb, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.840 actually black working class, the mayors of Black Woman And 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:37.400 now this ice facility has been there for a while, obviously. Yeah, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.400 people were protesting there weekly for like over a decade, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.760 but nothing like what we've seen these last few weeks. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.480 Yeah, Okay, let's go back in time a little bit, 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.839 because in between the last time we spoke to you 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:58.320 and now there has been so much unbelievably horrible stuff 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.680 in Chicago. I guess. Yes, let's go back a couple 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.320 of weeks and talk about the guy they murdered. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:11.360 Yeah, so, shortly after this latest ICE surge began, they 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.000 sailed a man at a traffic stop. Two ICE agents 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.160 who were seemingly operating completely alone, didn't seem to have 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.960 any backup with them. It was just these two guys 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.360 in this car who jumped down on the sky. And yeah, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.840 it feels it feels like forever ago, but of course 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.920 it was only a few weeks ago. Yeah, and you know, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.560 that's that's an example of just like a police killing 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:41.600 that we may never learn more about because you know, 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.680 it involves the FEDS, right, you know, there's no timeline 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.240 under which they have to release any information or like 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.560 tell us anything about their their own investigation into it. Yeah, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:58.120 so that is of course really horrifying and horrifying to 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.159 know there's kind of these these missing a few seconds 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.839 of video right where we don't see the actual shot 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.760 fired yep, or shots excuse me, we can sort of 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.039 piece together what happened, but you know, this happened in 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:17.640 a working class Latino suburb, heavily Latino suburb, not not 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.880 very far down the road from the actual ice facility. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:22.880 Like as you were saying, the part of what's really 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.800 frustrating about this is we can't tell you why they 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:30.120 stopped this person, right, because they won't tell us. Right, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.040 we know very little about this other than they stopped 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.560 the guy, he tried to drive away and they shot him. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.960 That's like that's all we know effectively, right. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.840 I mean, they claim he had some traffic violations, which 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:44.720 is true, but I mean, like who doesn't. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.240 Yeah, Like, I don't know. If we're shooting people for 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.400 traffic violation, this country is going to have like ten 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:50.600 people in it by the end of it. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:55.000 Like, yeah, he wasn't suspected of any like crime. No, 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.640 I believe that it was just opportunistic Yeah, that they 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.520 were just looking for an easy target. And these guys 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.159 are acting like cowboys, I mean, like just doing this 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.000 jump out by themselves. And also to be clear, I 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.840 mean like when they say he drove away from them, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.800 I mean some of the video that we do have 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.560 it shows him slowly reversing backwards away from them. It's 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.080 not like he just drove over the agents. 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.040 No no, no, no, yeah, which is. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.640 Was of course their initial narrative that he like hit 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.599 one of them with his car and all this stuff 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.840 that of course turned out to be false. 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.360 Yeah, And it's also frustrating too, because you know, in 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.280 the app well, I would say, in the absence of 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.480 better information, but it's the media, they will just straight 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.200 up print, you know, no matter just how unbelievably absurd 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.200 the lies are, they will just straight up print Department 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:51.120 of Homeland Security press releases as if they have anything 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.679 to do with reality whatsoever. Even as it becomes increasingly clear, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.640 even more of a it's ever been that you simply 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.960 cannot rely on on police press reports to understand what 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.359 happened in the situation. People will just keep printing that. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.039 And so that's the first that's the version of the 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.920 story that goes out first, which is what everyone sees, yep, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.520 And they don't see the video where it's very clearly 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:13.200 not what happened. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:15.440 Yep. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.240 It is a maddening situation. So yeah, I mean, like 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:24.600 that happened, and then almost immediately and like concurrently, of course, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.160 all of this other ICE activity started ramping up. Yeah, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.640 and then around a week and a half ago, Bovino 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.520 showed up, and Border patrol showed up, And now it's 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.640 amped up even further because they are even worse than 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:40.840 our regular ICE guys. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.920 Bovino and the Border patrol people, those are the people 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.520 who seem to have been pulled out of Los Angeles 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:47.480 and deployed the Chicago. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:52.840 Yeah, Bovino moved this sort of larger border patrol operation 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.720 here to Chicago. So there are Border patrol units here 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:03.440 from you know, Arizona, from California, different places, and they've 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.920 been doing sort of a combination of like just strictly 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.880 cornyasque propaganda ops, you know, like driving around on their 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.960 boats for photos, combined with like actual terrors, like a 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.080 few nights ago, hundreds of FEDS rating an entire apartment 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.040 building of people in the middle of the night. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.280 Yeah, And I think we'll get to that rate in 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:30.240 a second, because it was unbelievable, sort of gruesome and horrible. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.480 But yeah, I wanted to talk to you just about 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.920 sort of what the general sort of ICE operations and 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.560 then the Border patrol operations have looked like in the 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.040 city and what it's been like being in a place 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.880 where there's just guys in masks gragging people off the street. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.480 It kind of feels like streaming underwater and no one 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.920 can hear you. Yeah, just sort of witnessing this every day. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:09:00.880 And it is still highly dispersed, right like Chicago and 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.640 the metro area and the suburban counties where this is happening. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.520 It's a huge, huge area. So like we talked about 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:13.240 last time, it's a real challenge to focus people's attention 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:17.480 on because it can appear like the waters are calm 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.040 like where you live, you know, like they're doing it 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.160 in these very fast strike teams in this very dispersed way, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.760 so by the time you even hear about it, they're 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.960 already gone. So many cars abandoned on the side of 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.640 the road. It's like windows smashed out, je it's christ 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.720 like landscapers, work bands and stuff. You know, Like people 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:39.200 are just rapid responders are just getting to sites where 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.560 someone's reported something happening and all they find is like 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.760 a busted out card and then they have to piece 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:51.880 together like potentially what happened. And additionally, the broad view, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:56.400 so like this ice facility where people are protesting regularly. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.800 You know, it's not set up to be a permanent 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.800 attention center. It's just supposed to be like a temporary 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:10.600 stopping point because Illinois doesn't have overnight immigration detention. So additionally, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.120 there are like so many extra people crammed into this 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.480 facility that wasn't designed to hold them. Yeah, and of 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.960 course the conditions are horrible, you know, like they don't 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.160 have privacy, they don't have enough bathrooms, they're not getting fed, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.920 they're not getting medication, you know, like after the kidnappings, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:31.679 after the disappearances, then there's this pipeline of detention horrors 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.760 that people are enduring. So this is this is why 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.120 people are protesting, you know. I mean, this is why 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.760 people are out there yelling at the fence. Because the 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.160 people who are who are brave enough to go out 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.760 there and yell at the fence or to take the 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:49.400 pepper balls or what have you, they they are in agony. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.920 They're aware of what's happening. They're witnessing all of this 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.680 and feeling like this needs to stop. And there are 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.600 a lot of people hiding in their homes. Yeah, you know, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.480 like like it it's true, like I don't always want 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.240 to make like Holocaust comparisons because I feel like that 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.160 that's what we always go to. But I mean, like 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.960 that's the most apt comparison that becomes to most people's mind. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.200 You know. They think of like and framekiding in your attic, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.640 like those kinds of things, And it's like that is 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.240 literally where we are at right now. People are literally 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.160 infiding because they are worried that if they go to 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.760 Sam's Club they will be kidnapped by secret police. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:27.760 Yeah. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.800 I think the behavior that they've been exhibiting against the 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.840 protesters too, has been very, very similar to what they've 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.040 been doing to the people that they're grabbing off the street. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.720 I want to talk to you a bit about like 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.960 what it's been like dealing with the way that the 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.000 Feds have been attacking the protesters constantly. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.480 Yeah, well, these guys are fucking monsters. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:53.240 Yeah. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.240 I'm trying to thread this needle for people of like 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.880 all policing is bad, right, Like a police is violent, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:06.280 All cops are violent, But there is something different happening 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.880 here as a result of the fact that there is 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.280 literally zero accountability. And I'm not suggesting that like police 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.719 accountability isn't a sham, because in general it kind of is. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.920 But I think, like, you know, when you take away 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.640 every single guardrail, these guys don't have to identify themselves 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.800 and they don't have to answer to anyone. Yeah, their 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.920 bosses aren't going to write them up. You know. It's 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.840 kind of like with any other job, right, you know, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.840 take a city cop here in Chicago. Of course, it's 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.320 rare that any of them ever actually get fired for 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.320 the horrible shit they do. But you know, there's this 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.920 sort of bise level of knowing, like, well, I got 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.760 to show up to work every day with my name 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.120 on my vest, and I also have like all these 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.600 other bosses and all these other people who are going 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.800 to like you know, maybe make my day harder if 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.720 I like really fuck something up, right, And so when 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.320 we're talking about the FEDS, there's just nothing. There's just 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.559 nothing there. They can literally do whatever they want. On 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.840 top of like just not having the same level of 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.559 like quote law enforcement training. I mean, we've been watching 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.200 these guys for weeks like fucking hurt themselves with their 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.480 pepper ball guns. Like they literally are like dropping shit 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:29.440 as they're like on the process, like like watching people 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.920 have made like call of duty comparisons, like Proud Boy comparisons, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:33.920 and like it. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:34.640 Is kind of like that. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.800 It's like if you just gave a bunch of chuds, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.720 a bunch of like military and police here, and we're like, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.960 all right, go out and like pretend to be a cop. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.040 And that's like literally what it feels like. And so 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.520 I'm trying to thread this deal for people of like, yeah, 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.280 all cops suck, but like what's going on with this 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.120 is like so much worse. Like they're just out there 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.920 like shooting at people randomly, like and you know, for 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.680 no reason. Like it is just one of the craziest 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:02.920 things I've ever seen in my life. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.200 Yeah, And I also I want to put this into perspective, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.360 like you have also covered a lot of protests in 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:07.760 the city. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.120 Yeah, I've covered a lot of pop violence. I've been 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.880 to a lot of protests, I mean hundreds and hundreds 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.520 and hundreds at this point, right, Yeah, And there's just 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.960 certain like things that you're used to seeing and certain 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.000 there's a certain predictability sometimes to like a lot of 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:22.560 their movement. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:23.120 Yeah. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.040 And what's interesting too, is like in some ways they 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.240 are actually more militarized just in terms of like their 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.760 riot formations and like how tightly coordinated their units are 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.640 because they practice and they train for like crowd control 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.280 stuff all the time. And then you have these just 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.480 like ice chuds running around with like way more gear 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.560 and they look way scarier, but they're like way less 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.960 organized and way more chaotic. Yeah, and there's not enough 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.520 of them right, so like they're not even like doing 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.000 a good job of like backing each other up, you know, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.880 like in the field. Like I'm just watching them like 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.680 leave their own back unwatched and you know, doing things 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.360 that are like dangerous for them, Like they want to 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.520 act like a military unit, but they're like definitely not. Yeah, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.280 it's I mean people have made the comparison of like 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.920 Proud Boys, which I think I don't know, it kind 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.040 of works in a sense like street fighters because what 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.000 they're acting like, you know, Yeah, it's just it's just 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:27.800 been super violent, super awful. Chicago does not have really 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.720 any experience with like these just FEDS in general, like 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.680 to this level. I know that out in Portland for 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.320 years now, like there have been various protests outside of 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.120 the Ice or something like there's just there's been like 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.040 a lot more a lot more fed presence out in Portland, Seattle. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.800 Throughout the past few years of protests, I've seen you know, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.120 people interact with them, and we just we've had nothing 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.200 like that here. So this is also like very unprecedented, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:56.640 like for this region. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:01.560 Yeah, because usually CPD is like brutal enough that they 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.560 don't you don't end up with like yeah, federal deployments. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:05.600 And now it's like oh. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.280 Boy, yeah, well, and also keep in mind, this is 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.840 all happening in broad View, so like they don't even 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.960 have I mean there's been there's been tensions and arguments 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.320 and discussions around what's happening with their local police department, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.000 and just sort of the interface here too, because it's 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.680 like this tiny little police department is now having to 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.080 sort of manage what's going on with this ICE facility, 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.520 and they're not directly like assisting ice with froud control, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.680 but they are like basically setting up a perimeter around 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.360 the area, right, and so then like their guys are 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.560 getting to your gas and like complaining about it. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.200 Yeah, was it broad to you? The police chief who 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.440 like finally was like, oh, holy shit, I've never been 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.640 treated this racistly by a police officer. Before I was like, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.720 Oh my fucking god, like, yeah, you're just now realizing 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.840 that you're the baddie, like when it finally like happens 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.680 to you, like come on. Yeah. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.880 He he went on on like ABC or whatever and 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.480 was just did this whole interview about like, well, ICE 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.520 is disrespecting me as the police chief, and it's just like, like, 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:12.680 what did you expect? 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.600 Yeah, man, you signed up for the racism organization and 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.240 you were like, ah, I'm in charge of my local 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.280 by local chapter of the Racist Association, so it'll never 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.679 happen to be And it is like, oh shit, you 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.399 mean there's other people who are higher up in the 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:32.560 racism police Like god, yeah. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.320 So that's been That's just been like a weird side 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.399 story to this of kind of like the mayor and 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.879 the police chief and the fire chief are not thrilled 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.040 about what's going on, and they're like looking into the 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.199 legality quote of the fence that ICE has put up 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.040 just like across this street that goes past their facility, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.480 which is in this kind of like tucked away sort 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.440 of industrial park thing, but there are homes like right 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.800 on the other side, and you know, they've just blocked 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.720 off this entire street and there was like a business 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.720 on the other side. You know, it's like obviously a 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.720 huge fire hazard to just like block a whole road 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.520 like that. They didn't ask permission to like put this up, ye, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.040 not to mention a hazard for the people in the 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.160 detention center, which is now boarded up and has this 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.320 huge fence across the street. It's like, oh my god, 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.600 if there's a fire or like an emergency and they 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.679 needed to evacuate the people inside, yeah, I mean, like 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.120 obviously people would die. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.520 It's this incredible mix of both blatant disregard for the 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.080 safety of anyone involved and also just wanting to hurt people. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.400 And it's this incredible fusion of they are both incompetent 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.760 and malicious, which is yeah. 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.720 Right, which is not a great combination. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:19:01.160 No, let's talk about this raid and self or Yeah. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.240 Well, you know, we don't have a we don't have 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:07.080 a ton of details on the true extent of this 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.480 because it happened at one in the morning. So two 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:16.600 nights ago, hundreds and hundreds of federal agents showed up 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.119 to an apartment building in the South Shore neighborhood, which 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:25.480 is a predominantly black neighborhood where a number of newly 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:30.080 arrived migrants settled because there's cheap housing there. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:30.720 Yep. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.440 So when Governor Abbott started busting people here a few 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.840 years ago, that is one place where you know a 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.080 number of people found housing. And unfortunately also too, there's 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:42.920 like a lot of slum boards down that way. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.000 Yeah, cheap housing being shit in Chicago, Yeah, of course. Okay, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.960 I see tents organizing that. I have seen shit that. Like, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.399 I have seen people sewage like running out of their bathtubs. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.080 I have seen I have seen places with no electric 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.000 like literally no electricity, no lights, no running water, like 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.840 actually literally like frozen solid in the winter, and no 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.639 one can contact the landlord. And those were in parts 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:09.479 of the city that were like not even that badly off. 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.359 The apartment that I had, they're almost fucking killed me 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.679 from dust inhalation, and like that's like that's like a 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.280 like a normal cheap apartment. It gets so much fucking worse. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.680 The pictures from like inside of the apartment, not even 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.080 just the parts, were like, yeah, the doors are blown off. 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.600 It's like these apartments fucking sucked because they're run by 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.640 They're run by fucking slanlords and yeah, like the housing 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.840 situation in Chicago, so much of it is so shit 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.080 is never gonna get repaired because these getting landlords don't 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.000 give a shit because they can just keep astracting money 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:48.400 from it because no one can go anywhere else. And yeah, yeah. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.679 I mean these people were living in really bad conditions. 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.040 I've heard that, like a lot of people were like strippled, 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.640 quadrupled up in units. You know, I don't I don't 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.840 know what it looked like before it was rated. Yeah, 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.840 but it's like virtually empty now. I mean like there 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.160 there were some and to be clear, like what happened 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.879 to back up a little bit, you know, they hundreds 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.320 and hundreds of FEDS showed up at this building in 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.919 the middle of the night and reportedly detained everyone in 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.479 the building. So there were like, yeah, you know people 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.119 in the building who aren't immigrants, like black people who 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:24.159 live in the neighborhood. 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:24.520 You know. 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.960 There was one woman being interviewed on broadcasts who's like 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.720 an older black woman, you know, who was just like, yeah, 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.679 I was like dechanged by the FBI, you know, like 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.639 in the middle of the night, like asking me if 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.280 I'm a citizen, you know, like, it's just absolutely fucking 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.520 wild that this happened. Also as of today, granted this 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:44.200 might change by the time your podcast is. 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:48.120 Out, importantly, So we were recording this the night of Wednesday, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:52.520 October first. Who fucking knows what we'll have learned about 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.440 this or what will happen in between this and when 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.720 it comes out probably Monday, Probably there will be new horrors. 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.680 If you've heard about like the horrors in Chicago and 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.760 it's not in this episode, is probably because it happened 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.440 after we recorded. Things are happening at a terrible rate. 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:12.040 Yeah, So as of today, Wednesday, October first, I could 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:15.080 not find a story on the Suntimes or the Tribute 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.440 website about this raid, and I think, yeah, of course, 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.320 a lot of people want to indict mainstream media for 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.920 not covering things, which like is fair sometimes, don't get 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:29.080 me wrong, They've been trying. Things are happening so fast 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.400 now and there are so many horrible things happening every 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.840 day that like no newsroom can keep up. 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.159 Wait alert, red alert. They did finally get a story 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:41.239 up five minutes ago, so I checked the book. They 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.960 got one up, They got one up the Tribute, The 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.920 Suntimes sometimes sometimes. 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.800 Okay, Okay, well it only took them two days. Okay, sure, 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.760 I haven't read it yet. Maybe maybe it's a good story. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.280 I don't know, maybe they went really in depth. 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.719 It's not terrible. It doesn't actually seem I mean, it's 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.240 pretty long. I mean, I'm going I'm going to read 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:04.040 one quote from it to get people at understand. This is, like, 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.440 I actually think is pretty representative of like the independent 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.000 media covers that I've read of. It aren't federal agents 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.640 and military fatigues busted down their doors overnight, pulling men, women, 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.960 and children from their apartments some naked residents. Witnesses said, 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.199 that is the thing I've seen in everything report about this, 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.320 is that a bunch of people just literally didn't have 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:22.880 clothes on because they were drag out of their bed. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.720 They were like fucking naked children, like naked like people 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.200 holding naked babies being pulled out of their fucking apartments. 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:34.440 Like Jesus fucking Christ God, And this. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.000 Was like such a huge number of beds that like 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.160 the buses were re routed around the scene. I mean, 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.560 like there's questions, there's questions right now over like the 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.840 level of CPD involvement in like protecting the scene. And 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.199 this was not just Ice. There were a ton of 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.919 FBI and a ton of atf. 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:57.200 Yeah yeah, which you know, it's like, Okay, what is 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.640 the FBI doing right now? They are fucking dragging naked 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.320 children and out of their fucking homes, like out of 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.399 their fucking apartment at one in the fucking morning. 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.760 Yeah, and they were they were in in fucking moving 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.480 vans like Patriot Front. 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.119 Like, yeah, fucking horrible. I mean, like I got I 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.000 ever seeing a statement where it was like they were 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:19.000 denying that they had loaded any immigrants into moving vans, yeah, which. 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:23.760 Like maybe that's I don't know, maybe only the FBI. Yeah, 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.439 beautiful halls, Like I don't know. 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.159 Yeah, I'm also just like haunted by like what O 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:31.760 the reports that I saw where they were talking about 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.720 like they separated all of the black people into like 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.480 one van and all of the non black people to 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.439 another one, and it was just like, oh God, like 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.280 these people. There's another thing. I think this is in 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.359 the story that you that you wrote about this or 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.679 they literally like fed literally said fuck them kids. 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.680 Oh my god. I don't I definitely didn't write that, 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.119 but I believe that someone said it. 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.399 Yeah, it was Oh my god. 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.320 I believe it. I'm I'm I mean, I'm glad to 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.320 hear that. Five minutes ago the sunset I covered it. 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:01.679 You know. 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.159 Yeah, they finally got around to it. 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:08.080 Yeah, good for them to be clear, Like they probably 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.399 interviewed a lot more people than we had capacity to. 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:14.520 You know, it's been obviously a huge challenge to even 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.640 cover all this stuff, like as this tiny, random weirdo 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:23.080 ass news outlet, like yeah, and we're still figuring out 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.679 as we go, but yeah, I mean this this I 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.240 am still it has been two days and I am 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.400 like still trying to wrap my head around this raid, 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:37.639 this specific raid, because it's just, yeah, so horrific that 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.320 this happened. And of course, like the timing, like they 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.600 knew what they were doing by timing it in the 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:44.400 middle of the night. 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.080 Of course. Yeah, I'm gonna fucking read the STIPs article 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.360 because I've just been reading it while you're doing it, 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.159 like Watson is. Somebody lists across the street said she 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.359 saw agents dragging residents, including kids, out of the building 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.160 without any clothes and into hu hole vans. Kids were 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:03.159 separated from their mothers. It was heartbreaking to watch sid Watson, 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.160 even if you're not a mother, seeing kids come out 0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:08.040 buck naked and taking from their mothers, it was horrible. 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:13.760 They're literally ripping kids from their fucking mothers at one 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.800 in the morning and throwing it apparently allegedly throwing them 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:17.800 at U haulvans. 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.760 Like yeah, I mean, this is like psycho shit. The 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:24.360 last three weeks four weeks has just spent a gradual 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.880 progression of like the most evil shit you've ever seen 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:28.720 in your life. I don't even know what to say 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.639 about anymore, honestly, because it feels like it feels like 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:34.679 our only way of grappling with things like this is 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.320 by making comparisons to other things. And I don't know 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:42.439 that that is really helping anybody right now. But you know, 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:48.080 it's ethnic cleansing, it's genocide. It's like literally, I was 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:49.800 just saying earlier today when like when you drill down 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:54.160 to it, like they're disappearing like vast majority Latino men. 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:56.960 There are some women, it's not only men, but like 0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:01.000 they are definitely targeting like mostly men, and like these 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.240 are people who are migrating here from Central America who 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.399 are like if you look at their lineage, mostly like 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:12.240 indigenous to this fucking continent on like white people. You know, 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:16.840 it's just an extension of like the American project, like 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:21.639 of the white nationalist like extermination of the people indigenous 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.679 to the Americas. Like that is literally what's happening like 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.080 right now. So yeah, it does not feel like, I 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.040 don't know, like like enough people get it to the 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:33.040 level that they should. 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.639 Yeah, well, and that's I think. Like one other thing 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.119 I wanted to talk to you about was like the 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:46.240 way the press bubble has worked around this, where again, 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:52.000 the fact that federal agents dragged naked children from their 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.679 homes at one in the morning in the third largest 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.439 city in the United States, That is a story that 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:04.320 is hitting the mainstream Chicago press today two days later, 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:09.040 and I think the only national coverage of it that 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:13.560 I've seen are from people who are basically like repeating 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.600 the scoop that was given to this, like unhinged UFO outlet. 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.480 Who were the people that got the exclusive? Oh have 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.719 yeah read into this yet? Oh God, no idea? What 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.280 hold on? Hold on, let me let me God fuck Okay, 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:29.560 I'm very excited to tell you about this is so unhinged. 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.760 I saw like the propaganda video that they made about it. 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.679 Yeah, so the group that got like the exclusive like 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.120 press release thing from the Feds, which is basically being 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.280 like reprinted by Newsweek, who are just a joke at 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.560 this point. Like their description of it is like a 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.440 federal agent's repelled from black cop helicopters and the rooftop 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:52.320 Chicago residential buildings targeting trend to AGAUA gang members according 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.120 to NewsNation, And I was like, what the fuck is 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.720 news Nation? Like, I've I have a pretty good grasp 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.680 on like all of the weird right wing news outwits, 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.040 I'd never heard of this one. I looked them up 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.400 and the first like big thing that I saw about 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.440 them was that, well, any they are the people. They 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.400 were the person that Chris Cuomo went to after he 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.040 was like publicly disgraced as a journalist. And the second 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:12.600 thing I saw about them was that their big thing 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.760 is that they like quote unquote take UFOs seriously. These 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.320 are the people who were given like the exclusive scoop 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:24.560 on this is like the UFO outlet. 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.080 That is so funny. That is when I watched the 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:30.000 propaganda video that we were watching about it, Yeah it 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.520 was News Nation. I just thought it was like I 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:36.040 don't know, some right wing outlet like any other. 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.320 Yeah, that's why I thought too that I looked at it 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.200 and like the Wikipedia article was like just when there's 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.520 a section titled UFOs, I was like, what the fuck? 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:45.200 Great? 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:46.120 Great? 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.040 I didn't know about the UFO connection. I mean I 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.760 saw them. I saw their reporters like actually at the protests, 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.600 like interviewing, like the one guy in a maga hat 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.320 who showed up to counter protests, Like of course that's 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:00.040 whom they inter. 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:01.560 Yeah, of course, of course. 0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:06.200 So that's good to know that they are UFO weirdos. 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.680 Regime approved of regieve approved media outlet, the UFO guys. 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.520 So, I mean, the the the official like like DHS 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.960 line on this entire thing is that trend de Aragua 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.040 was this, Like this entire apartment building was a trend 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:22.520 de Arragua hide. 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:26.360 Down just like No, it wasn't like. 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:28.920 Like it's literally just the same fucking thing that Israel 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.800 does about hamas right when they're like, oh, yeah, this 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:36.600 hospital that we're bombing, Yeah there's hamasoles underneath. I mean 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:37.920 it's like the exact same ship. 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:43.680 Yeah, the connection you made earlier to this functioning as 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:48.280 an extension of like the genocide that founded this country. 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.760 I think it might have been Hannah or Rent. Okay, 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.120 I want to attribute this to herr Hannah Rent, which 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:55.720 is I guess kind of a mess because of her. 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.720 Don't do not ever look up Hannah rent stuff on segregation, 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.040 or actually, maybe do if you want to see the 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.160 worst argument you've ever seen in your life, where like 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.640 famed intellectual Hannah or Rent says that segregation is like 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:14.800 a defining quality of like a free society. I'm not 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:15.760 like a. 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.440 Super expert on Hannah Rent, but I definitely did not 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:19.280 know that. 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.600 So oh yeah, no that people. People don't I'll say this, wait, 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.480 people do not be bringing that ship up. Everyone else 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.720 is like, oh god, holy shit. You were like a 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:34.840 major segregation like intellectual who got brought out to be 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:39.320 like segregation is actually good. No, this is free association. 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.640 But I think it might have been her. It mightn't 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.480 fit someone else. I've been trying to look for who 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.800 had this idea and I haven't been able to find 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.920 who it was. And I vaguely remember being a Rent, 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.680 but fuck her. This has all been a very long 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.200 whine saying like there's there's an idea that I ran 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.480 into you back when I was in my sort of 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:02.440 like days in the academy about the way that societies 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:06.000 reflect their founding violence. And you know, the sort of 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.960 like the founding violence of the United States is the 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:14.480 genocideviticious people and slavery, and you look at what they're 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:19.720 doing right now. You're just watching sort of in miniature, 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.520 that violence just being replicated over and over again, where 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.360 like you're tearing fucking mothers from their children in the 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:32.520 dead of night. And it's the same people, right, Like 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:36.240 this is an apartment building where almost everyone is black, 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.080 and the people who aren't black are immigrants, right and 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:40.880 obviously like some of them are both, but like you know, 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.040 but like you're just like watching the founding violence of 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.040 this country just being played out over and over and 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:51.280 over again every night. And it's this thing where like 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:56.480 I don't think on a fundamental level that this thing 0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.320 that we've built, this sort of like this conception of 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.000 what democracy is, like this conception of what the state is, 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:07.160 this conception of like what this country is, is going 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.640 to survive this moment. Either it's going to change completely 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.320 or the part of it that was nominally a democracy 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:15.800 is going to be consumed by the part of it 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.600 that's just doing this genocide over and over again. I 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.640 don't know. I quote this song a lot, Song of 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:25.600 Choice by Peggy Seeger. That's about the rise of fascism 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.560 that I think about a lot that has on one 0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.320 of the lines is today the soldiers took away one. 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.640 Tomorrow they may take away two. One April they took 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:39.920 away Greece, but surely they will never take you. And yeah, 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.720 they're just fucking taking people away in the night. Right now, 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.440 that's the stage of this where we're at. And either 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.840 something fundamentally changes or right, you know, like that the 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.160 end of that song is either like they take you 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:56.560 or at the end they don't take you because they 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.640 know you didn't care, right, And. 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:06.080 I mean, look, I've been I've been covering civil conflict 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.880 and violence, you know, like more or less for the 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.160 last five years. Right, I was at January sixth, like 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.640 literally in the middle of the mob. I've seen a 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:15.400 lot of shit. 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:21.080 Reporting on it. This very clear reporting on it. Clarify 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:21.640 I was there. 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:29.160 I was not, although my fashi uh stalkers might insist 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:31.759 I was part of like an Antifa conspiracy to. 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:34.759 Right, But. 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.880 But you know, I've seen a lot of shit the 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:43.520 last five years, obviously, and I think this particular moment 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:48.560 feels like, yeah, like we're kind of you know, like 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.840 we're a marble at the top of like a spiral, 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.680 and it's like either we're going to keep rolling down 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.640 or or somebody like jams it or takes the marble off, 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.080 you know, like there's just this is this is a spiral, 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.560 Like there are so many factors that are going to 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:09.160 contribute to this getting worse if we do not significantly 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.520 alter course. And I think, you know, this feeling that 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.160 we have locally of like we're screaming underwater and nobody 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.440 can hear us. I'm sure is share a sentiment that 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.040 is shared in LA, that is shared in DC, that 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.480 is shared in all of these cities all over where 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:30.840 Ice is doing similar shit. It can make us really angry. 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:32.960 I mean, I've been really angry at times in the 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:38.040 last month about the lack of like attention whatever. But 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:42.239 then I think about how everyone is overwhelmed because there's 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.680 so much horrible shit happening every day on so many places, 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.600 Like we just can't keep up anymore, Like none of 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:49.400 us can keep up. 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.759 Yeah, Like I mean, like, I'm in Portland right now, 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.840 and like it's my job to keep track of this, 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:58.440 and I can't tell you at this exact second weather 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.200 a federal deplay I'm to Portland is honor off. I 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.839 think it's currently off. But also by the time you're 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.239 listening to this, who the fuck knows? And like, yeah, 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.320 like right, I don't know. There's an aerid line about 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.239 how it's easier to hide a thousand atrocities than it 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:16.200 is to hide one because you can just keep ramping 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.080 the tempo up exactly. 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.719 I don't know. I'm not a historian. I'm just a journalist, 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.600 so maybe you would know better than me. But but 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.920 I feel like we are literally already in a civil war. 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.040 We just don't know it yet, or like we're waiting 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.920 for like some specific thing to like prove it, you know, 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.360 Like I don't, I don't know. Yeah, I think generally 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:51.239 nobody knows until it's like already you're you're already in it. 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.800 To me, it feels like we're in it, yeah, But 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.600 I but I also wonder if that's just the cognitive 0:36:56.640 --> 0:37:00.600 effect of like us being here literally in it because 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.200 so much is going on, and then thinking like well, 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.440 if the ice surge subsides two months from now, is 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.440 it going to still feel this way? I don't know. 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.359 I mean, yep, to me, it feels like we've got 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:16.160 several more years of the Trump regime at least. Ye 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:18.600 if we look at this in the sense of like, well, 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.759 they're escalating, and then also this is going to keep 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:26.000 going for several more years. Yeah, that's a terrifying concept. Yeah, 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.040 where do we go from here? If it's just gonna 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:30.160 like get even worse? 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.120 Yeah, And I don't know. I think I've been there 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.520 a lot recently. I don't know. It's the thing I've 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:42.120 been telling listeners of this show is that, like the 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.799 upside of all of this is that everyone hates them. Yeah, 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.319 oh yeah, Like their proof of ratings are so bad. 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.560 Everyone fucking hates them, and all of this stuff is 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.839 hideously unpopular. And the giant economic collapse that is very 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.360 obviously going to happen when the giant AI bubble that 0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.640 is like that is like a third of US's GDP 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.120 pops what it inevitably does because it doesn't make any money. 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.040 They're doing all of this in a situation where the 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:10.319 economy still appears to be functioning, and when that shit 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.839 implodes on them, shit is going to be even worse 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.520 for them than it is now. But also like on 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:21.839 the other hand, unless people do things about it, then 0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.319 it doesn't really matter how popular or not they are 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:26.719 if as long as no one is willing to like 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:30.520 stop them. And I guess that's like the last thing 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.320 I kind of want to close on is about, like 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.000 can you talk a little bit about like what you've 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.800 seen organizing wise that you can talk about that have 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:39.560 been effective. 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.359 Well, I think people here are still figuring it out 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:47.960 these protests. Outside of the ice facility. You know, there 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.800 hasn a lot of autonomous organizing. Chicago does not have 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:57.600 the same entrenched autonomous organizing culture that you see in 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.960 like Portland or Seattle for like a ton of reas 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:07.560 which are like on the scope of this episode series 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.200 the history the history of organizing in Chicago, and like 0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:12.800 how we're in this specific moment. You know, it's important 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:14.719 to remember like this is a city where like the 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:19.600 FBI murdered Fred Hampton, right, it is bad. So there's 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.840 a lot of tension between different organizing factions about how 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:25.719 they want things done, and a lot of it is 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.760 fear driven for a good reason, because people are terrified, 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.000 and yeah, they're still figuring stuff out. I mean, I think, 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.640 for lack of a better firm, last Saturday, people got 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:40.000 their ship rocked by Border patrol. You know, they were 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.480 so violent, they were so aggressive, they were just so 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.239 out of hand, just like immediately too. I mean it 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:49.200 was just like zero to sixty instantly, like there was 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:54.680 just a Saturday. We saw them just immediately tear gas 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.200 and and shoot at people over nothing, like nobody was 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.400 doing anything, and they just assaulted the crowd with like 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.959 the most tear gas I've ever seen in my life. 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:09.000 So I think folks were definitely under prepared for that, 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:13.160 But that doesn't mean that it's like insurmountable to resist 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.920 something like that. I think there are questions surrounding the 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:20.520 best way to protest this specific building because of the location, 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.279 and it's tough because it's not in Chicago, it's hard 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:24.880 to get to for some people. 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:25.960 Yep, yep. 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:27.839 But I don't want to. I don't want to write 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.040 anybody off. I mean, I think people are just still 0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:33.479 figuring things out, Like it's it's ice is adapting, Border 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.600 patrols adapting, and so then organizers also have to adapt, 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.320 like it's like this tennis match, right, yeah. Yeah, And 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:44.799 so you know, we are also very much here. Our 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:47.239 activists are not used to like a huge and our 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.239 press also by extension, are not used to like a 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:51.880 huge amount of chemical weapons. 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.080 Cargo doesn't use tear gas like historically, like they just 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.120 beat people, right or like shoot them with right munitions, 0:40:58.239 --> 0:40:59.759 like they don't tear gas. And I think I was 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:01.600 really always told, like growing up in the city as 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.560 an activist, was like if they start using tear guessing 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.960 once they way from shooting you, right. And they finally 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:07.359 did it in twenty twenty, which is the first time 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.920 anyone had seen it in like decades, right, and the 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.640 fact that like they're just doing it all the time now, 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:15.440 like Jesus Christ, well, the. 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.560 FEDS, I mean we saw this in LA at the 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:25.239 beginning of this summer, where like Border Patrol specifically just 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:28.880 has this enormous amount of chemical weapons that they like 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.640 I don't know, maybe maybe they're going to expire soon 0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:33.719 and they have to use them all like like I 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.120 don't know, I don't know what the rationale there is 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:40.000 other than just being evil. Yeah, but it's like literally 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.960 their first voice of like they're just I mean, they're 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:47.520 fucking enjoying it. They're fucking enjoying it. They're enjoying yeah, 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:51.279 shooting at people, tear gassing them, playing g. 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.239 I Joe, Like yeah, I mean, I will say it 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:55.800 does also raise the question, like how much of this 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.040 stuff do they actually have, because like twenty twenty, they 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.000 went through decades of stockpiles right right, And like this 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:02.480 is a thing that like, I don't know, someone who 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.240 has a lot of time and as an investigative journalist 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.800 should try to go track down how much of the 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.520 country's tear gas supplies they've been able to replenish, because 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.120 they used a lot of it on us in twenty twenty. 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.759 And like, I mean, this is I don't know if 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:19.920 it is famous. I guess in bicycles, it's kind of 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:22.920 a famous story that one of the one of the 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.240 South Korean military dictatorships was taken down by a student 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:30.040 like protest movement that calculated exactly how much tear gas 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:33.000 the police had and did this thing where they would 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.839 do these marches where they would whole bunch of people 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:37.680 would show up and the police start characterizing them, and 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:39.279 they would just slowly keep her treating and keep her 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.000 treating until they ran the state out of tear gas. 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.600 I mean, I know, I hope to see that level 0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:49.000 or strategy in America. 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:57.440 Yeah, law, like you know, like nothing nothing, nothing is 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:02.719 impossible with the power of really really pissed off students. 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.520 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:11.440 the I'm not familiar with the manufacturing process for these 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:13.200 kind of like how long does it take the like 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.640 replenish and where do they source it from? 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:20.600 Yeah, this is this is one hundred percent a Hey, 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:22.800 I know a bunch of journalists listen to this podcast. 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:24.320 If what if you wants to go do this, you 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.800 would be doing a great service to everyone in this country. 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.880 Like right, I'm like assuming that it's not made in 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:34.280 the United States and they're like importing these things. 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:38.400 A hug huge amount of Maybe I'm the American American 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.520 tear guys ends up like all over the world because 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.200 we're one of the big suppliers of it. 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.040 Okay, well, then I was mistaken. The popper Ball gun 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:51.399 dispenser company apparently is based in Lake Forest, so it's 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:52.080 actually local. 0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.680 Oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, since you're kind of oh. 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:59.560 Well, it's just like a glorified paintball gun. Basically. 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.560 Yeah, the thing I've been getting from listening to you 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.360 talk about this and from talking to other people is that, like, 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:12.800 both part of what's making this so horrible and also 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.440 maybe where they fail is that these people don't know 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:19.240 what they're doing. They just like violence, right, And liking 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.440 violence and being willing to hurt people is a very 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:26.800 effective short term strategy for causing violence, right, But it 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.040 remains to be seen whether it's an effective long term 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:32.400 strategy for like holding power and accomplishing their goals. 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:34.840 Yeah, I would agree with that for sure. It feels 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.800 like it feels like their operation is brittle, like it 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:43.440 wouldn't take a lot to like impede it. But because 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.640 they are so violent and so out of hand that 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:51.759 just like the slightest resistance, it's still really challenging to 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.080 figure out. I mean, and to your point earlier about 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.400 everybody hating them, I mean, that is palpable. I have 0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:01.600 heard the anger and the rage pouring out of people 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.560 at these guys, you know, like, yeah, of course it's 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.360 palpable how much people hate them, how much what's going on? 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.279 Of course they're struggling to hire, of course, they're all 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.400 wearing masks because they're fucking terrified they're going to be docs, 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:18.200 you know, like they know that they're hated. Yeah, but 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.520 that's also a double edge shore because I think knowing 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.480 that everybody hates you anyway, well, that's just also sometimes 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.759 going to make you even more violent because you don't 0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:27.320 care anymore. 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.560 Yeah, And I mean I think the traditional social movement 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.600 gambit has been like the more people can see how 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.520 violent they are, the more people will go out to 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.360 resist them. And I think right now we're in this 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.680 scenario where because of the sort of media blackout and 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.120 like the media bubble let's input around this, it just 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.719 hasn't been getting out the things that they've been doing. 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.440 And I think that is also a thing that you 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.360 random listener can do things about in terms of like 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:02.600 hey help people, you know that, Like, yeah, there's like 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:05.759 aking a federal occupation of a city and they're like 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:10.440 dragging naked children screaming from their homes, like tearing them 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.800 away from their parents. Like that's a thing that you can, like, 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:16.680 that's the thing you could directly do. That is a 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:18.000 very very low lift. 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:24.319 Yeah, and also countering this like national guard misdirection thing 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.600 that is just like constantly going on where it's like 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.640 every fucking two days, Trump and Pittsburgh are arguing about 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.160 you know, a hundred troops coming to town who are 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.960 essentially just infrastructure for ICE. They might block some roads, 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:40.960 but like they're not the main threat. 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.319 Yeah, Yeah, Do you have anything else that you want 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.759 to tell people? And then also, where can people find 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.839 and support your work as you go hopefully not get 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:49.480 shot again. 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.880 Well, I I've resigned myself to the fact that I 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:59.880 get shot again, but they can find us at Unraveled 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:05.279 on all the social platforms, you know, Unraveled, press, dot com. 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:08.840 And I think the only other thing I want to 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:12.600 say is, you know, as bleak as this episode sounded, 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.200 we do have to keep the fighting spirit alive and 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:20.400 not just like, yeah, resign ourselves to total dumerism. We 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.799 have the moral high grounds here, like we are doing 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.840 the right thing and they are not. Yeah, and we 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:27.680 can win this. 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.759 I want to close on the story that came to 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.120 mind when you said that, which was the story of 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:39.520 the liberation of Turin in World War Two, where Turin 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:41.640 was like, you know, like one of the great industrial 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.320 cities of Italy and it's directly under the occupation of 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.920 the Nazis. By the end of the war and ahead 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.480 of the Allied advance, the city plans in uprising and 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:54.640 the SS commander who is running the city explicitly tells them, 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:56.319 if you like, if you do this, we will turn 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.840 this into another warsaw And they do it anyways, and 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.640 they beat them. All of these factory workers who had 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:06.640 guns smuggled in successfully do an uprising and defeat like 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.319 an SS panzer division and just kick the shit out 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.640 of them and liberate Turmin. And you know, those were 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.880 people facing odds that were so much worse than the 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.040 ones they were facing today. They were facing a straight 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:23.080 up military occupation by the SS. And they beat them 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.280 and they've freed themselves. And you know, history is replete 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:31.840 with dictators who thought that their occupations would last forever 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.560 until one day the Americans were withdrawing from Iraq, and 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.920 the only thing that's eternal is their fear of the uprising. 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:40.000 They will want to destroy them. 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.920 Welcome to a very special episode of It Could Happen Here, 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:09.800 reporting live from the sunny beaches of Riad, I'm Garrison Davis. 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.160 This episode joined by Mia Wong, James Stout and presenting 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:14.160 our special report. 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:18.040 Robert Evans, I am so happy to talk about our 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.600 favorite time of the year, which is of course the 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:24.759 Riod Comedy Festival, which occurs from September twenty sixth to 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:25.720 October ninth. 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:27.600 It's the highlight of my year each year. 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.839 Happy to say all of Cool Zone will be there 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:37.360 performing in Riod, immediately getting arrested. It's going to be 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:42.440 really good, very much excited, like all of your comedy favorites. 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:47.440 Dave Chappelle, Bill Burr asas En. Sorry, we will be 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:50.360 getting paid hundreds of thousands or over a million dollars 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:55.799 to pretend that the Saudi regime does not execute dissidence reporters, 0:49:56.400 --> 0:50:02.080 civil rights activists, whoever, and doesn't run a torture prison. Yeah, 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:04.480 so that that's what's happening this week. There's been a 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:08.160 big backlash against a bunch of very prominent comedians. 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:09.040 Louis c. 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:15.640 K it looks like a mix of guys. Okay, not 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.799 surprised David Chappelle. I'm surprised that old David Chappelle would 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:21.960 do this, but I'm not surprised that current David Chappelle 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:22.279 would do this. 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:23.360 Bilbert is disappointing. 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:27.000 Bilbert is disappointing that one hurts. Moe Ahmer, who is 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:30.280 a Palestinian American comedian who lives in Houston, has also 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:34.160 agreed to go to Riad and form not great. 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:37.600 Comrade Shane Gillis declined the offer. 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:38.880 Yeah, she and. 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.680 Gillis said yes and then said no. Let's be real 0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:46.000 fucking clear on what Shane Gillis did. Okay, I believe 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:47.560 he's the one that said yes and then said no. 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:51.319 You get you get a variety of responses from people 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:54.600 who were invited to this fucking thing. And I'll make 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:56.960 it clear kind of where my moral line stands. I 0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.640 don't actually believe it's inherently wrong to perform inside the 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.360 bounds of any country. It kind of depends on what 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:05.200 you're doing and how you do it, and this is 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:06.840 the wrong way to do it, because these are not 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:09.040 just people. If someone had just shown up at a 0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.839 nightclub in Saudi Arabia to do a stand up set, 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:14.600 I don't particularly care about that, even though there are 0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:16.759 lesma jest laws like I wouldn't care if someone did 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.040 a stand up comedy set that couldn't make fun of 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:22.279 the King of Thailand, right, which is a crime in Thailand. Yeah, 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:25.279 you know, people perform in parts of the world that 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.479 have different or bad laws. The US has bad laws. 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:29.479 We do bad things. 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.719 I don't think it's inherently evil to just perform at 0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.560 a random club there, which is not what the people 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:36.919 who are performing at the Yadd Comedy Festival are doing. 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.920 This whole convention is being put on by a guy 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.880 named Turkey, I'll shake. Turkey is the chairman of the 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:46.759 General Entertainment Authority, which is a Saudi government department. He 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.480 grew up with Mohammad Ben Salmon playing League of Legends, 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:52.640 and he's kind of like key to Ben Salomon's plan 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.000 to like make Saudi Arabia cool, to like bring it 0:51:55.080 --> 0:52:00.320 into the global entertainment and like social network without moderning 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.680 its laws or allowing people to, you know, make fun 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:05.520 of Mohamed Ben Salmon or his friends for an idea 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:07.840 of the kind of dude who hired Bill Burr and 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.359 all of these other guys and paid them so much money. 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.440 There is an entire wing of the All Higher Prison 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:17.760 called the Tutu Wing, which references al Shak's nickname Tutu, 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:22.120 where prisoners that he specifically pointed out. Often people who 0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:24.120 made fun of him or made jokes that he did 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.120 not appreciate are put in tortured. This guy has an 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:30.160 entire torture prison named after him. That is who's writing 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.840 checks to fucking Pete Davidson, whose dad died in Night eleven. 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:39.040 H Fuck, it's fucking shocking the fact that Pete Davidson 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:41.319 is at this thing, and he has been He's been 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:44.680 like questioned about it, and his answer, basically, I'll say 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:46.359 this repeat, was basically like, yeah, but there's a lot 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:49.640 of money, right, And I'm separating in my head to 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.719 a degree. I think it's bad to take money from 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:56.480 the Saudi government to do something like this that is 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:59.160 being used to like whitewash their human rights record to 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.399 make them look like cool part of global society, even 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:06.359 as they this week executed another journalist. I think that's bad. 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.560 I think it's worse if you're someone who stood for something. 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.400 This doesn't change my opinion about THEO Vaughn, who sucks 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:15.960 and it's like, yeah, he'll take money from Saudi Arabia. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:20.399 He's a huge asshole. I'm just I'm not surprised, right, 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:22.800 And there's some other guys in this that I'm not 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:24.880 necessarily like shocked about. 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.560 Did you see theo Von's beef with Ice this week? 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.919 Oh? Does theovon have beef with Ice this week? 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:30.440 Yeah? 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.239 They use video of him without his consent in one 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:34.440 of their marketing videos. 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:35.479 Yeah. Great. 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:40.120 So Jim Jeffries on August one on Theovon's podcast to 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.640 talk about agreeing to do this show, and he said 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.279 one reporter was killed by the government. Unfortunate, but not 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.400 a fucking hill that I'm gonna die on, and argued 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:52.080 that freedom of speech machines like himself would do good 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:56.080 by like, you know, making jokes in Saudi Arabia and 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.200 key in the men on the freedom of speech thing. Basically, 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.400 it'll be in net positive for freedom if I go 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.520 speak at this thing. And in the funniest possible follow up, 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:07.640 he was removed from the festival lineup because he acknowledged 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:12.759 that they killed a reporter and that you can't even 0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:16.439 do that on your own fucking podcast or fucking theo 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.919 Vod's goddamn podcast. I want to play a video clip 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.480 of Tim Dillon, because Tim Dillon is another guy who 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.560 agreed to show up and perform at this this fucking 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:29.920 nightmare event, and Dylan is why we know kind of 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:31.799 how much money is on the table at this thing, 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.160 because he has said that he was paid three hundred 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:37.000 and seventy five thousand. He was offered three hundred seventy 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.560 five thousand for one performance to be there. He said 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.120 the kind of the lowest number people were being offered 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.279 was about one hundred and fifty thousand, and the most 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:49.160 like highly paid people were being offered up to one 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.319 point six million dollars. So I mean it's possible see 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:55.000 people were getting more than that, but I'm guessing that's 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:59.399 closer to like where the Bill Burrs and the Dave 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:03.240 Chappelle you're getting right like in the one point six million. 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.439 So these guys were offered an insane amount of money. 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:09.880 And Tim Dillon went on and like talked about this 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:12.440 on a podcast, talked about like why he agreed to 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:16.160 do it, and defended and it's very funny. He like 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:20.840 brought up like slavery in Saudi Arabia, because Saudi Arabia 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.399 has slaves as a way to like to segue into 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.560 a defense of why it's fine for him to do this, 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:28.399 And this is just one of the funniest things I've 0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:30.080 ever heard, Well. 0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:33.239 They have slaves, then they kill everyone. Hey hey, hey, 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:39.520 hey hey hey, get over it. Get over it? 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:42.520 So what. 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:49.759 So what they have slaves? So what my friend, I 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:51.640 not a friend, somebody I don't even know. 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.759 I bumped into them in Tribeca and he goes, I 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:56.840 would never do that because I don't want to interact 0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:57.799 with slaves. 0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:00.200 I'm like, well why not. 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:08.440 They'd be deferential, right, I mean, I imagine the slaves 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.000 in those countries are good at what they do. 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.080 Okay, So that's that's the clip. I just wanted to 0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:19.799 have one of the most Yeah, and it got him 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:23.680 fired from the show. He's good bending them, he's big, 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:27.160 like slavery's not so bad, and he's still got fired. 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:32.239 That's the insane. That's like, yeah, it's nuts. Oh my god, 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:36.920 Like it's really bad. To cleanse our minds of whatever 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:38.600 that was. Here's an ad break. 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:50.560 Okay, we're back, Robert. 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:53.400 The degree to which everyone involved in this has just 0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:56.840 nuked whatever credibility they had is shocking. I want to 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:01.200 read you a quote from Bill Burr in January of twenty. 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:02.239 Ten to make me sad. 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:04.239 This is from a set he did at the time. 0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:07.399 This him talking about Beyonce. Uh, she's out there singing 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.279 about girl power, telling you to put a ring on it, 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:11.000 all that crap. And then what she does, She takes 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:12.919 a million bucks to go sing at some private party 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.439 for Gadafi's kid, Momar Kadaffi, you know, the guy who's 0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.920 been blowing stuff up and running a dictatorship forever. Like, 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:19.720 what the hell you're gonna jet off to Saint Bart 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:22.680 shake your ass for some terrorist dictator's family, pawking a million, 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:25.240 and then go back to preaching about empowerment. Come on, man, 0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:27.960 that's the hypocrisy of this whole thing. These celebrities, they'll 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.040 take any gig if the check's big enough. It's like, oh, 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.720 I'm all about the people, until some crazy dictator weaves 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.000 a stack of cash and then it's where's my private jet? 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:35.920 It's ridiculous. 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:39.880 This nus, Yes, Bill, it is fucks. This sucks to 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.560 be a Bill Bard defender for you. I notice truly 0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:46.760 the first, the first actual stain on Bill Bear's legacy. 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:48.480 That's a very good comedian. 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:50.520 That's quite a remarkable fucking stain. 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:54.640 Gold Comedians are evil. It's just it's that easy he address. 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.040 It's you know part of it is that and if all. Unfortunately, 0:57:58.200 --> 0:57:59.920 I kind of think the response of some of the 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:03.040 scumbags in comedy has been fair with its like, man, 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:04.880 it was too much money. It's just a shitload of money. 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:07.040 Like I'll do fucked up shit for a crazy amount 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:08.640 of money, and it's like that's bad, but at least 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.760 you're honest. Bill's response to this was like, it was 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.440 great to experience that part of the world, to be 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:16.800 part of the first comedy festival over there in Saudi Arabia. 0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:19.080 The royals loved the show. Everybody one was happy. The 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:21.160 people that were doing the festival were thrilled. The comedians 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:23.040 that I've been talking to are saying, dude, you can 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.040 feel that the audience wanted it. They wanted to see 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.760 real stand up comedy. It was a mind blowing experience. 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:29.960 Definitely top three experiences I've had. I think it's going 0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:33.120 to lead to a lot of positive things now. He 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:35.520 did talk a little bit about like the rules that 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:37.680 they had to bye bye and said that like when 0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:41.800 they were first handing around contracts, he pushed back and 0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:45.520 was like or people pushed back, or like comedians didn't 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:48.000 were like, you can't have all these restrictions and that 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.120 they whittled them down to just a couple of things, 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.680 which Bill sums up as don't make fun of royals 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:56.200 and religion right now, as pointed out by the fact 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:59.680 that Tim Dillon got canceled for talking positively about slavery 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:02.320 and the there were more restrictions than that. I do 0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:04.720 want to read from a Hollywood Reporter article talking about 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:07.560 like Bill's response to this, because it gets even worse 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:10.240 than what I've read already. Bill first described going to 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:12.760 the island country of Bahrain, which is more socially liberal 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.200 than Saudi Arabia, where a customs agent immediately clocked his 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:17.200 anxiety about doing stand up in the region and gave 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.280 him grief about it. When I was landing in Bahrain, 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:21.600 like I'm fucking nervous, right, and then the agent says, 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:23.280 you tell jokes about the Middle East, you think you're 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:25.320 going to come over here and get beheaded. Right after 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:27.680 a successful show in Bahrain, Burr was at a bar 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.280 where he was watching interactions among locals and decided, I'm like, 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.760 they're just like us. I don't speak the language, but 0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.200 I get it. When he flew to Saudi Arabia, Burr's 0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:37.160 nervousness crept back, but he was struck by the amount 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:39.400 of local Western influence. You think everyone's going to be 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:41.360 screaming death to America and they're going to have fucking 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:43.560 machetes and want to chop my head off, right, because 0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:44.920 this is what I've been fed about that part of 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:46.240 the world. I thought this place was going to be 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.080 really tense, and I'm thinking, like, is that a Starbucks 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:49.760 next to a Pieza Hut, next to a Burger King 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:52.600 next to McDonald's. They've got a fucking chili and yes, man, 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:55.840 they have stores. In the Middle East, you can. 0:59:57.000 --> 1:00:01.320 Restaurants that specific combination of kun like the Saudi is 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:04.840 the reason the current government of ba Raid is in 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:08.320 power is because the Saudis rolled tanks across the border 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:09.280 to crush the uprising. 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:11.880 There were twenty eleven like hideous. 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:14.480 There's so much that's fucked up just being like, well 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:17.080 to prepare for abiding by the laws of the fucking 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:20.080 royal family of Saudi Arabia. I went to Bahrain like 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:21.200 like that. 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:24.240 They're not the same place, no, Like, yeah, I wanted 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:26.720 to check out some brown Muslin people. Turns out that 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:29.080 people like that seems to be the gist of what 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:30.760 he's saying, and they like pizza too. 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:31.400 Fuck me. 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:35.440 You could go to again like Iraq and perform in 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:38.800 fucking uh. Yeah, you go to an ideal and it's nice. 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:42.120 It's nice, and you're not going to be performing at 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.560 the behest of the fucked up government, right, You'll just 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:46.760 be performing in a country with the fucked up government. 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:47.880 And there is a difference. 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:48.160 Right. 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:50.840 I'm not angry at the idea that some rando might 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:54.400 like perform at a nightclub in Saudi Arabia. The problem 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:57.120 is that you're performing at the behest of the Saudi government, 1:00:57.240 --> 1:00:58.520 at the behest of the regime. 1:00:58.760 --> 1:00:59.840 Yeah, that's a different thing. 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:02.240 I do think there's an argument for like, well, people 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:05.320 in countries with fucked up governments deserve to laugh. That 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:07.640 doesn't mean you have to take the money from their 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:11.240 fucked up government and say nice things about their fucked 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:14.400 up government like Kevin Hart just did. Because Kevin Hart 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.560 was also a part of this show, and he posted 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:19.800 a video on TikTok talking about how fucking awesome Saudi 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:22.960 Royal Turkey Al Shake is, and Turkey Al Shake has 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:25.520 now been sharing that video on all of his social 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:30.400 media accounts like you're holding water for people for a 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:32.680 guy he was a wing in a torture prison named 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:35.840 after him. That crosses a line for me. You know, 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:38.960 when we're talking about entertainment, we're talking about being ad 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:42.840 support all this stuff. There's compromises that everyone makes in 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:46.280 this business. There's compromises in what company you fucking work with, 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:49.800 right Like, if you're talking about, you know, make it 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:53.080 a TV show for Amazon's TV division or Disney's you know, 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:57.160 fucking streaming division, right, well, there's a degree of moral 1:01:57.280 --> 1:01:59.760 compromise there, and I think, depending on what you're doing 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:01.920 and what not, can be justified by the fact that 1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:05.320 number one, like that's just the way television works. There's 1:02:05.360 --> 1:02:08.520 no working with anyone completely clean in a company that 1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:11.280 has the ability to fund, you know, a production like that, 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:14.600 but taking money directly from the hands of the guy 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:17.320 with the torture prison, I think that crosses a line. 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:19.840 I think that crosses the line for a free speech activist. 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:22.640 It should across the line for Pete Davidson, who's dad 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:23.960 died at nine to eleven, but. 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:27.320 She's apparently not. That is a wild one. 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:30.600 That's the craziest one to me, that Davidson went over 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:37.280 to Saudi Arabia. Oh man, are you gonna it's just 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:39.840 mom sit on the scene. Oh man, she's probably getting 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:41.440 a lot of money if she is, So it's fine. 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:46.480 It's fine. I don't know like how much. And it 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:48.840 is one of those things I get the people who 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:51.080 are like, Okay, but you know, the US is fucked 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:53.400 up to and it is. And so if somebody is 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:55.680 getting paid directly by the Trump regime to perform at 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:58.760 the White House, I'd say pretty fucked up. But like, 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:01.680 that doesn't mean it's immoral to perform at like a 1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:03.960 nightclub in fucking Chicago, you know. 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:06.200 Yeah, And none of us are going to Guantanamo Bay 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:09.560 to like entertain the fucking prison. 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:13.240 Guards, right, Like, yeah, well hopefully none of us will 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:17.400 be going to Guantanamo Bay for any reason. As long 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:31.280 as we keep playing these ads, we're back. 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:33.840 I want to talk about this from the Saudi perspective, 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:35.960 because they have been doing really for the last half 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:38.320 a decade, a fallout pr blitz. Right, We've seen this 1:03:38.400 --> 1:03:40.840 in WWE. We've seen this with a whole bunch of 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:45.480 professional sports stuff. Like most of the esports is run 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:47.800 out of the esports World Cup in Saudi Arabia. Now 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:51.160 like the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund just helped Jared Kushner 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:54.960 buy EA, right, just like one of the largest video 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:56.760 game companies in the world. Right, they've been, you know, 1:03:56.800 --> 1:03:59.160 they've been doing this sort of whole sportsw washing strategy 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:04.000 of using these things to sort of normalize, normalize the regime. 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:08.560 And I think the actual genius of this right was 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:12.160 not that you can buy legitimacy with like sports and 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:15.240 with comedians. The genius of it was that they were 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.760 able to control the backlash because they ensured the backlash 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:21.800 to it would be done by sports journalists and entertainment 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:24.680 journalists who don't know anything about the Saudis and thus 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:27.360 assumed that the Saudis were attempting to whitewash their, you know, 1:04:27.960 --> 1:04:31.520 horrific domestic human rights record, and they were to some extent. 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:35.480 But even focusing on the Saudis domestic human rights record 1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:37.320 is a victory for the Saudist because it means that 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:39.439 nobody's talking about the stuff people were talking about last 1:04:39.520 --> 1:04:42.160 decade when they talked about the Saudis, which was things like, 1:04:42.320 --> 1:04:45.920 for example, the Sudanese child soldiers that they were deploying 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:49.280 in their war and Yemen, and these Sudanese child soldiers 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:51.920 were drawn from their connections bolstered by the UAE to 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:54.920 the Sudanese Rapid Support Forces, a group that is almost 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:58.360 entirely composed of the militias who did the genocide and 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:00.720 dart four. So these are the round troops that they're 1:05:00.760 --> 1:05:03.520 deploying in Yemen, are as Sudanese child soldiers drawn from 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:07.800 the people who did the genocide in Darfur in twenty eighteen, 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:10.640 which was not that long ago, Like I remember twenty eighteen, 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:12.800 So do you statistically if you're listening to the show 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:16.240 they carried out an airstrike on a school bus that 1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:19.560 killed twenty six children, right, no one is talking about 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:22.320 the air strikes on funerals that they absolutely love to do, like, 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:24.800 for example, there was a huge one in twenty sixteen 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:26.920 where they killed one hundred and forty people in one 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:29.560 air strike, after which the area was described by a 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:33.720 rescue worker as a quote lake of blood. And this 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:36.360 has been the really successful thing about about the Saudi 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:40.040 specifically targeting sports, specifically targeting entertainment, is that the people 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:43.840 covering this do not know anything about Saudi Arabia. Right, 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:45.360 And this is also partially what was going on Bill 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:47.960 Burv because they're just racists or their attempt could do 1:05:47.960 --> 1:05:50.280 a backlash, and they're trying to do a backlash with 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:53.520 things like Okay, they killed a journalist, which is really bad, right, 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:58.880 But like Jamal Kashogi was one guy out of thousands 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:01.439 and thousands in thousands of people that they were killing 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:04.960 and are continuing to kill to this day in Yemen. Right. 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:06.840 And this is one of the reasons people have been 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:08.480 able to get away with this, right, is that no 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:10.640 one has been walking up to them and going, what 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:13.160 do you think about the Sudanese child soldiers? Because nobody 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:15.760 knows about any of that. And this is one of 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:17.640 the thing that I want to just say at the 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:19.280 end of this, which is I know for a fact 1:06:19.480 --> 1:06:22.640 that journalists and editors listen to this show and please, 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:26.160 for the love of God, find someone who knows literally 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:29.360 anything about the Saudis war and Yemen and have them 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:32.560 write this piece on sportswashing for you, literally anyone. And 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:34.240 this is what this is what makes me insane about 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:36.600 all this coverage is that like, if you even a 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:38.680 little bit paid attention to what they were doing in 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:40.840 the twenty tens and what they're continuing to do now 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:44.560 in Yemen. You know about so many even I'm not 1:06:44.560 --> 1:06:47.360 even I'm not even talking about the starvation genocide here. 1:06:47.680 --> 1:06:50.800 There are so many things that they did, you know. 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:52.760 And like one of the common defenses is like, oh, 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:54.600 like you know, like we live in the US as 1:06:54.640 --> 1:06:57.120 the fucked up country, right, Like who cares about authoritarianism? 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.320 Just like, I don't know, it's harder to make that 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:02.080 argument when it's about Sudanese child soldiers. 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:06.080 Well, and it's just again, we're not pissed because some 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:10.400 guy performed at a nightclub in Riyad. It's it's that 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:14.160 you're taking money from the government to whitewash the government. 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:16.040 No, it's because they took money for the governments. All 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:17.680 these all of these things, all of these all of 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:19.800 like wwe like all of these sports events, these are 1:07:19.880 --> 1:07:22.040 funded directly by the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund, which is 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:25.360 the wealth fund of the Saudi government. The people who 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:29.240 were dropping bombs on school buses and sending child soldiers 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:30.360 to fight their warren Yemmen. 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:34.640 Yeah, there has been some good reporting on sportswashing. I 1:07:34.640 --> 1:07:37.120 would say like Ian Trello's done some excellent stuff. 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:40.120 The Guardian has a good article on this where they 1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:43.760 really coalate some of like the very worst responses, written 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:47.160 by Seth Simon. So I liked that this does seem 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.680 to be blowing up. Hollywood Reporters piece was pretty good. 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:51.840 Too, Hollywood Report to My friend was the editor of 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:54.360 that publication for years, and they have consistently done some 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:57.200 stuff that we wouldn't expect looking at the title of publication. 1:07:57.520 --> 1:07:59.280 Yeah, I'm not going to be silly enough to be 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:01.160 like I think this is going to cost any of 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:03.440 these people their career because it's I don't think it is. 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:07.160 But it does seem to be causing them some embarrassment. 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:08.520 Uh So I don't know. 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:12.080 Yeah, I mean they get called out, it shamed like 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:14.160 it's Yeah, it's a pretty shameful thing to do. 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:17.840 It's a shameful thing to do. It's a bummer. 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On the morning of Sunday, 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:13.600 September twenty eighth, a forty year old man drove a 1:09:13.640 --> 1:09:17.360 pickup truck into a Grand Blanc, Michigan church. The man 1:09:17.439 --> 1:09:20.880 started shooting people inside and then set the church on fire, 1:09:21.280 --> 1:09:25.800 burning the building down. Four churchgoers died, eight others were 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:29.200 injured but have survived, and police killed the shooter on 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:32.920 the scene. The President, the Vice president, and the rest 1:09:32.960 --> 1:09:35.519 of the right were quick to call this yet quote 1:09:35.960 --> 1:09:40.600 another targeted attack on Christians in the United States, to 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:44.960 quote Trump on truth social White House Press Secretary Carolyn 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.280 Leavitt went on Fox and Friends the day after the 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:48.479 shooting and said. 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:52.920 This, it's unfathomable and as the President rightfully put in 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:55.840 his true social yesterday, this appears to be yet another 1:09:56.040 --> 1:09:58.160 targeted attacked on Christians. 1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:02.559 As the church was still burning, right wing podcaster Betty Johnson, 1:10:02.720 --> 1:10:06.560 who recently rode with Ice in Chicago, posted on x 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:11.479 the everything app quote church is on fire, Christianity is 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:17.320 under attack. Pray unquote what Betty Johnson neglected to mention 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:21.320 this was a Mormon church, And pretty soon it became 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:26.640 clear the attacker was not some transgender leftist ANTIFA, but 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:31.040 a Christian Trump supporter who thought Mormon's were quote unquote 1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:34.960 the anti christ. According to Burton City council candidate Chris Johns, 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:36.800 who claims to have spoken with the shooter just days 1:10:36.880 --> 1:10:40.439 prior while canvassing, one of the shooter's friends told The 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:42.759 New York Times that the shooter believed that the Mormons 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:47.240 quote are going to take over the world unquote. This 1:10:47.360 --> 1:10:51.639 guy obsessively talked about his dislike of Mormon's stemming from 1:10:51.640 --> 1:10:54.639 a breakup with a Mormon girlfriend over a decade ago. 1:10:55.479 --> 1:10:58.000 After the background of this shooter and his apparent motive 1:10:58.160 --> 1:11:03.000 became more clear, the Trump dmen quite quickly stopped talking 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:08.760 about this specific attack, save for vague references to attacks 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:13.320 on Christianity. But this attack was more deadly than any 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:17.400 recent school shooting or any instance of targeted violence which 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:21.880 the administration has been framed as political violence happening this year. 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:26.280 After the shooter was identified, rather than talk about his 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:32.000 apparent motive, people online argued about his political orientation. A 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:35.320 picture spread online of him wearing a Trump twenty twenty 1:11:35.479 --> 1:11:40.680 camo shirt that read make Liberals Cry Again. The right 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:45.160 wing outlet The Daily Caller attacked Democrat Representative Eric Swalwell 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:48.240 for posting a photo of that shirt, claiming that the 1:11:48.400 --> 1:11:52.920 Trump graphic was photoshopped, with The Daily Caller sharing a 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:55.320 version of the shirt that they alleged to be the 1:11:55.400 --> 1:12:01.360 original unedited photo without the Trump graphic. Except that version 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:05.880 without the Trump graphic is in fact the doctored photo. 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:10.719 The Trump one is the authentic version. Right Wing users 1:12:10.800 --> 1:12:13.280 on x the Everything app spread a list of political 1:12:13.360 --> 1:12:16.360 donations to progressive organizations that they attributed to the shooter, 1:12:16.680 --> 1:12:19.160 as well as a screenshot of a Twitter account with 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:24.360 a bio that read politically Active Democratic Socialist. Except that 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:27.559 account and those donations were from a completely different person, 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:32.120 just with a similar name. Now, just because it's pretty 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:35.960 clear that this shooter supported Trump doesn't mean that we 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:40.800 should frame this as partisan political violence. This was a 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:45.200 classic American shooting. A marine veteran who moved to Utah 1:12:45.280 --> 1:12:48.639 after getting back from Iraq, got involved with a Mormon woman, 1:12:48.960 --> 1:12:52.879 had negative experiences with the Mormon Church, moved to Michigan, 1:12:52.960 --> 1:12:56.599 but continued to have very strong anti Mormon sentiments which 1:12:56.760 --> 1:13:00.240 he held until he acted on those sentiments' lead to 1:13:00.520 --> 1:13:03.920 his death and the deaths of four other people. And 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:08.800 extremely tragic yet extremely American sequence of events. But the 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:13.479 conversation and coverage surrounding this Mormon Church shooting is such 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:17.360 an open display of this game of picking and choosing 1:13:17.680 --> 1:13:20.440 shootings to care about and then which can be weaponized 1:13:20.760 --> 1:13:26.120 against political enemies. Former Assistant FBI Director Chris Swecker went 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:30.559 on Fox News to discuss this shooting, where he laid 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:34.640 blame on politicians rhetoric calling people Nazis. 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:38.720 So, you know, this is a situation of you find 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:42.200 a manufactured grievance, if you will, and that a whole 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:45.879 lot of stimulus from from people either on the Internet 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:47.320 or even politicians. 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:48.680 Theyrre responsible politicians. 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:50.360 We all know who they are. 1:13:50.800 --> 1:13:54.479 You know, they're talking about Nazis and anarchists and existential threats. 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:57.040 You know they need to crawl back into their dark places. 1:13:57.520 --> 1:13:59.920 These people are out there. That has to be taken 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:02.280 into account when you start firing off. 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:05.080 Your mouth that simply has nothing to do with this 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:09.280 specific attack. But both politicians and the media have this 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:13.960 obsession with only talking about shooters insofar as they can 1:14:14.000 --> 1:14:18.320 try to identify a shooter's orientation towards a political party 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:23.080 and then weaponize that suspected orientation against political opponents by 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:27.240 trying to frame every deranged shooter as emblematic of the 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:32.439 oppositional political project. Following Charlie Kirk's assassination and the media 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:36.479 blitz around it, fellow far right commentator Stephen Crowder has 1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:42.320 revived his long dormant college debate series Change My Mind Now, 1:14:42.479 --> 1:14:47.719 with the prompt they left is violent propagandists collapse political 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:51.720 violence into a simple binary, which is just a very 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:56.719 limited way in trying to actually understand public acts of violence, 1:14:57.200 --> 1:15:01.479 the idea that things can only happen because of of ideologies, 1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:08.160 not downstream of personal experiences, material conditions, or class This year, 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:11.400 there's been one other target attack that ties the Mormon 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:15.120 Church shooting for the highest fatalities in attacks this year, 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:17.960 and that was the Midtown Manhattan mass shooting in July, 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:20.879 where the gunmen attempted to shoot up the NFL offices, 1:15:21.400 --> 1:15:25.960 motivated by getting CTE from playing football in high school. 1:15:26.640 --> 1:15:41.559 No clear ideological motivations here. Lots of shooters aren't typically 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:46.880 ideological in like the ordinary political sense. The only recent 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:50.839 shooter that could be accurately categorized as quote unquote leftist 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:55.559 is the former PSL member who assassinated two Israeli embassy 1:15:55.640 --> 1:15:59.880 staffers in May of twenty twenty five. Now, under no 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:03.280 circumstances do you have to hand it to Bill Maherr. 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:07.120 But this exchange between him and Ben Shapiro, just two 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:10.800 days after the char Turk assassination, demonstrates this point about 1:16:10.800 --> 1:16:15.400 how media and politicians only understand and weaponize public acts 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:19.240 of violence through ideology, long before we have any actual 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:23.639 clear indication on what motivated a shooter to commit an attack. 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:26.280 There's a shooting at a synagogue, it is very likely 1:16:26.360 --> 1:16:28.479 to be either a white supremacist or a radical Muslim. 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:30.960 If it is shooting of a Republican politician, it is 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:35.680 very likely to be a trans Antifa marxishuan Is. 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:39.040 We don't know. We don't know what this kid is. Wait, 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:40.760 we do know this kid was of the left. We 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:42.519 do know that we do know what that this kid 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:43.519 was of the political left. 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:45.840 That is according to contemporarious reporting from The Guardian as 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:46.840 well as tablet magazines. 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.200 Today it's two days out. We don't know shit, but 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:50.320 here we don't know shit. 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:51.000 They never do. 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:54.240 The Internet is undefeated in getting it wrong to begin with. 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:55.400 It's not about the Internet. 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:57.240 That's about the that's about. 1:16:57.000 --> 1:17:00.800 The actual reporting by mainstream except the Guardian is not 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:01.120 right wing. 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:02.960 Here's what I here's what we heard. Here's what I 1:17:03.560 --> 1:17:05.519 was told so far, And I'll tell you what was wrong. 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:08.439 First I heard he's a registered Republican not not true. 1:17:08.720 --> 1:17:09.000 Okay. 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:11.320 Then he was a donor de Trump not true. His 1:17:11.439 --> 1:17:15.760 father works in the sheriff's office, not true. There was 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:18.240 a picture I'm wearing a pro Trump shirt not true. 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:22.200 A member of the Democratic Socialists of America not true. 1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:23.600 We don't know what he is. 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:27.639 Well, how are you so sure he's of the left? 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:27.800 Now? 1:17:27.920 --> 1:17:30.200 I agree? When you right on a bullet. 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:32.240 What did he write on the. 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:35.599 Bullet catches fascist? Which is also a gamer thing? Okay? 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:38.200 But now I'm hearing he may have been part of 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:42.080 that group for whom Charlie Kirk was not right wing enough. 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:46.000 Yes, I mean so that you're sure he's not that 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:49.439 I'm not sure that he's not there you were was 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:51.839 hold on, hold on, no, hold on, okay, because. 1:17:51.640 --> 1:17:56.519 I've Another thing that can be tricky to understand is 1:17:56.920 --> 1:18:00.759 just because the target of violence is as a political 1:18:00.840 --> 1:18:05.960 figure does not mean that it's political violence. The attempted 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:08.960 assassination of Ronald Reagan is a key example of this, 1:18:09.840 --> 1:18:13.920 and for the Kirk assassination, available evidence points towards more 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:17.760 of a personal motivation based on romantic attraction on a 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:23.920 dog day afternoon over any larger partisan political motivation. It 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:26.479 doesn't even make sense to view the first attempted Trump 1:18:26.479 --> 1:18:31.760 assassination as political violence. Thomas Crooks searched online for a 1:18:31.960 --> 1:18:35.000 variety of events to commit a shooting at. In the 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:37.479 month prior to the shooting, he did more than sixty 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:41.000 internet searches related to Biden, Trump and information about the 1:18:41.080 --> 1:18:46.280 upcoming DNC and RNC conventions. Donald Trump's campaign event in Butler, 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:49.599 Pennsylvania just happened to fall into the right place at 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:53.519 the right time. The mass killer obsessed school shooter from 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:56.040 last August who shot two kids at a Catholic school 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:59.599 in Minneapolis, which the right branded as a trans terrorist 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:03.800 originally planned to do the shooting at a small LGBTQ 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:08.200 music venue, but feared that trans girls attending the concert 1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:12.320 would be armed for self defense. As I've previously reported 1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:16.800 on this show, this shooting bared similarity to TCC or 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:21.160 True Crime community, not as in true crime podcasts, but 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:25.080 an online community of usually young people obsessed with school 1:19:25.120 --> 1:19:30.639 shooters or mass shooters, akin to neo columnbiners, who encourage 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:33.479 each other online to then commit their own acts of 1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:39.240 violence inspired by or replicating those of previous school shootings 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:44.240 or mass shootings. This pseudo mass shooter fandom demonstrates the 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:47.120 extent to which the role of quote unquote the shooter 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:52.280 can be its own motivating force, beyond any culture, war 1:19:52.400 --> 1:19:56.960 issues or ordinary partisan politics that might get sprinkled on 1:19:57.200 --> 1:20:02.479 top as seasoning. On Wednesday, September twenty fourth, the twenty 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:05.639 nine year old open fire with a bolt action rifle 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:10.639 targeting an ICE Field office in Dallas, Texas. This attack 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:15.240 claimed the lives of three immigrants who were detained by Ice. 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:19.960 In a copycat style following the Kirk assassination and the 1:20:20.080 --> 1:20:25.040 United Healthcare CEO assassination. This shooter allegedly wrote anti ice 1:20:25.600 --> 1:20:30.120 on unfired bullet casings. In the immediate wake of this attack, 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:34.519 the right attributed this shooting to the radical left and 1:20:34.720 --> 1:20:39.560 blamed Democrat politicians for spreading anti ICE rhetoric. At a 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:43.280 North Carolina event, JD. Vance said, quote, Here's what happens 1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:46.960 when Democrats like Gavin Newsom say these people are part 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:51.120 of an authoritarian government. When the left wing media lies 1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:54.400 about what they're doing, when they lie about who they're arresting, 1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:57.160 when they lie about the actual job of law enforcement, 1:20:57.439 --> 1:21:00.840 what they are doing is encouraging crazy peaceopull to go 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:04.960 and commit violence. Here's a brief Fox News report. 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:07.480 We have a problem America. 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:11.240 We are living through a scourge of left wing political 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:14.120 violence that three weeks into this month has made it 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:18.520 bloody September today, another attack. 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:22.760 On ice as is not uncommon with mass shooters. This 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:26.679 guy was a registered independent, and the shooter's brother told 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:29.640 NBC News that he wasn't really interested in politics. I 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:32.639 find it highly unlikely that this millennial and other gen 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:37.960 Z shooters are regularly watching liberal news, getting their opinions 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:44.599 from politicians and news anchors on MSNBC or CNN. Journalist 1:21:44.720 --> 1:21:48.839 Ken Klippenstein spoke with friends of this shooter, who described 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:52.840 him as a libertarian leaning four Chan edge lord who 1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:58.719 hated both political parties and most mainstream politicians. Friends believed 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:01.560 that the bullet inscription could have been written as a 1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:06.120 joke intended to rile people up. They told Klippenstein the 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:10.839 shooter became more isolated in recent years as friends drifted 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:15.800 away due to his continuous anti social edgelord behavior in 1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:20.360 regular day to day interactions. Nancy Larson, the acting of 1:22:20.400 --> 1:22:22.720 his attorney for the Northern District of Texas, said the 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:25.479 shooter left behind a writing where he referred to ICE 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:30.040 operations as human trafficking. Larsen says the shooter did not 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:34.120 mention any government agency besides ICE, but left a note 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:38.240 for police reading quote good luck with the digital footprint. 1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:43.200 This shooter killed himself after the attack. These public acts 1:22:43.200 --> 1:22:47.160 of violence usually have a suicidal component, a drive for 1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:51.880 self annihilation while simultaneously gaining some final sense of meaning 1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:56.280 or purpose by crudely emblazoning yourself in history through a 1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:59.160 violent act. What causes someone to do this can be 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:04.320 a mix of many factors, including access to guns, individual motivations, 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:08.720 social alienation, self annihilation in so far as there is 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:12.360 an overtly political element, it's often the result of a 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:16.320 political alienation. Usually, the type of person who commits a 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:21.960 bloody act of violence lacks a recognizably coherent political philosophy 1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:26.120 that can be easily grafted onto our Democrat Republican binary, 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:30.240 with there sometimes being a mix of political beliefs across 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:34.080 the left right spectrum. Mass shootings which are accompanied by 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:38.080 express political motivations usually stem from anti Muslim or great 1:23:38.240 --> 1:23:42.439 replacement rhetoric, the idea that white people in Western culture 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:57.479 will slowly be replaced by brown immigrants. But throughout the 1:23:57.640 --> 1:24:01.599 next three years, under Trump's federal government and the right 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:06.280 wing anti woke backlash currently flexing dominance over our culture, 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:11.320 nihilistic self destructive acts against American society may take a 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:15.919 form which could be characterized as quote unquote left wing violence, 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:19.000 despite most of these shooters being far from your average 1:24:19.439 --> 1:24:25.200 DNC acolyte or bread tube watching leftist. Considering the Mormon 1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:28.960 church shooting, the Kirk assassination, the Iced Dtaee shooting, and 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:32.200 the Minneapolis Catholic School shooting in the Year of Our 1:24:32.240 --> 1:24:35.000 Brain Rot twenty twenty five, I think it's pretty clear 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:38.240 that the current US state apparatus does not need to 1:24:38.400 --> 1:24:43.160 stage false flags. The state just tries to take advantage 1:24:43.320 --> 1:24:48.080 of naturally emergent events, twisting them to fit narratives. In 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:53.840 an ad hoc manipulation of consensus reality, no crude fabrication 1:24:54.160 --> 1:24:57.639 of physical reality is needed. They are more than happy 1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:01.920 to simply pick and choose, and magnify and obscure various 1:25:02.080 --> 1:25:06.760 events to fit their preferred version of reality. The night 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:10.400 before the shooting at the Mormon Church, another Iraq war 1:25:10.560 --> 1:25:14.599 veteran did a mass shooting in North Carolina, which did 1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:18.679 not result in nearly as many national headlines. The shooter 1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:24.120 targeted a waterfront bar, killing three people injuring six others. 1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:27.799 The suspect rowed a boat up to the bar, fired 1:25:27.840 --> 1:25:31.280 with an ar mounted with a scope and silencer, before 1:25:31.400 --> 1:25:35.160 speeding off on water. Police have also deemed this a 1:25:35.320 --> 1:25:39.839 targeted attack, but without a tangential link to culture war issues, 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:45.960 this event will be quickly forgotten. As I'm recording this episode, 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:50.760 Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced that he's launching undercover 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:56.639 operations to infiltrate and uproot quote leftist terror cells in Texas. 1:25:57.200 --> 1:26:00.599 Leftist political terrorism is a clear and present ding there 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:04.919 can be no compromise with those who want us dead unquote. 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:09.599 This mirrors President Trump's National Security Presdential Memorandum Number seven, 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:15.560 which targets quote unquote, domestic terrorism indicators like anti Christianity, 1:26:15.680 --> 1:26:21.840 anti capitalism, anti Americanism, extremism on race, gender, immigration, and 1:26:22.000 --> 1:26:26.840 hostility towards traditional American values. All this partisan rhetoric on 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:30.680 targeted violence and political violence is in service of authoritarian 1:26:30.720 --> 1:26:36.120 crackdowns and enhanced surveillance against their political opposition. Meanwhile, this 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:39.719 passed Saturday morning, the home of a South Carolina Circuit 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:44.400 Court judge was burned down, hospitalizing her husband, a former 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:47.479 state senator, and their son. The judge was out of 1:26:47.520 --> 1:26:50.920 the house at the time. Last month, the judge temporarily 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:54.920 blocked a voter suppression executive order signed by President Trump. 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:58.040 In the weeks leading up to the fire, the judge 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:02.000 had received death threats. This has been it could happen here, 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:03.920 see you on the other. 1:27:03.920 --> 1:27:23.679 Side, Well, can it could happen here? A podcast beset 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:26.880 by horrors of such magnitude that sometimes you have to 1:27:26.960 --> 1:27:29.000 go back to a thing that you just talked about 1:27:29.040 --> 1:27:31.400 because there were more horrors in it. That you didn't 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:33.320 have time to cover the first time you went through 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:35.160 the horror, sorry, the first two times you went through 1:27:35.160 --> 1:27:39.160 the horse and with me to talk about the horrors? 1:27:39.760 --> 1:27:43.160 Is doctor cave Hoda, who is a doctor? I guess, 1:27:43.200 --> 1:27:46.519 as you probably could have guessed from the title. You know, 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:50.280 I scripted this out very poorly. Uh oh, this is great, 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:54.960 you're doing great, keep going, I say, scripted this out. Literally. 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:57.680 The only part of this introduction that was in my 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:01.120 notes was cave Hoda, doc you're at host of House 1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:03.400 of Pod and friend of the show, which was not 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:06.120 in my notes either. But that's right, friend. The energy 1:28:06.200 --> 1:28:07.000 is chaotic today. 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:10.519 Friend, Most importantly, it has to be that is the 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:13.439 normal response to what is happening in this world. If 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:16.000 we don't embrace a little chaos, then we will lose 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:16.519 our minds. 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:18.639 So I am. I am loving how this is going 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:21.880 so far. I am so glad because there is so 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:25.640 much chaos. One of the chaos things that we have 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:28.760 been tracking, and that you spend a hideous amount of 1:28:28.800 --> 1:28:30.920 time tracking too much on your show. 1:28:31.080 --> 1:28:31.439 Too much. 1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:35.320 Yes, it's not good, it's very bad. Please stop doing 1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:37.000 this stuff so we can all go back to doing 1:28:37.040 --> 1:28:38.080 normal things. In our lives. 1:28:38.520 --> 1:28:42.040 I would love to just do more fart jokes and 1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:48.080 episodes on poop, but people in power keep saying and 1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:53.040 doing terrible things. You have crazy, terrible things that make 1:28:53.200 --> 1:28:56.640 me feel like I'm losing my mind. So I have 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:58.680 to keep doing this from Ultaris one because someone's got 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:03.600 to talk about it too. It's sort of therapy for me, Like, 1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:07.000 if I just internalize this, I'm gonna I'm gonna be 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:08.000 a miserable person. 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:11.599 So thanks, thanks for having me on. Yeah, I'm excited 1:29:11.600 --> 1:29:14.719 to talk to you about well, Okay, see this Literally 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:16.920 every single time I do an episode, it's like, I'm 1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:19.120 really excited to talk to you. And also, Jesus Christ, 1:29:19.160 --> 1:29:20.439 I wish we did not have to talk about this. 1:29:22.280 --> 1:29:26.200 That's how everyone feels. That's how my feel, that's feel 1:29:26.200 --> 1:29:30.280 when they see me. It's terrible. God, really, truly, we 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:34.040 got to stop meeting like this. One day. We'll do 1:29:34.120 --> 1:29:36.519 a fun episode one day, and I swear to God. Okay, 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:38.720 But the thing that I've been talking about that we've 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:42.760 both been covering is basically the annihilation of the entire 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:46.920 US medical establishment at the federal level. It is being 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:51.360 systematically dismantled and One of the ways that's being sematically 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:53.080 dismantled is that a bunch of people have been put 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:59.040 in charge of it who are I mean two years ago, 1:29:59.439 --> 1:30:04.640 were fringe anti vaccine cranks and are now running like 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:10.679 the most sophisticated like public health institutions that have ever existed. 1:30:11.200 --> 1:30:15.960 Yeah, as a producer extraordinaire, Sophie Liechttermann once said, you 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:19.160 can't put a hater in charge of the thing that 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:22.679 they hate the most. And that is what has happened, 1:30:22.800 --> 1:30:26.880 completely and fully, almost at every step of this government. Yeah, 1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:29.640 they find the person that hates it the most and 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:31.080 they put that person in. 1:30:31.920 --> 1:30:32.120 Yeah. 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:34.880 And you know, one of the big sort of I 1:30:34.880 --> 1:30:36.560 don't know if turning points is the right word, but 1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:38.400 one of the major events we've been covering from this 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:45.960 was the announcement by Rfkjunior and Trump that they had 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:51.400 found what causes autism and also ADHD too, which I 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:54.160 got very little coverage. I think I said this last 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:55.880 time I talked about this. It was very baffling. But 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:58.280 there's just there was so much in that whole thing 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:01.519 that I think a lot of the stuff kind of 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:05.240 fell through the cracks inside of like, well, there was 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:08.200 a lot. There was a lot to digest. There so much. 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.320 There's so much, and so I guess I want to 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:14.400 we wanted to talk about mostly the hepatitis B thing, 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:18.160 but also just sort of the broader anti vax stuff 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:23.120 that was in this before we get into I don't know, 1:31:23.320 --> 1:31:27.240 like the weirder, more boutique anti vax stuff, which is 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:30.320 like the anti hepatitis B vagazine stuff, a thing that 1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:34.160 I didn't realize people were against like children getting until 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:38.719 like now, and like I follow these things decently closely, 1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:43.760 Let's start a little bit with like, let's let's ease 1:31:43.840 --> 1:31:46.920 the audience into this by by going back to the classics, 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:50.680 the greatest hits. We didn't really have one hit, the 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:54.960 one hit of the anti vaccine movement, which was Trump's 1:31:54.960 --> 1:32:00.960 stuff about separating the MMR vaccine. Yeah, soh yeah. 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:04.960 Recently during that press conference where he really threw tylern 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:09.759 All under the bus, he also really it was weird 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:12.160 because there's no new evidence. I want to make that clear. 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:14.800 There was no new evidence that they presented about vaccines. 1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:19.479 But Trump actually really harped on vaccines and his thoughts, 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:24.400 his medical opinion, and his advice on how to manage 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:28.600 vaccines is truly bizarre. Never seen a president say or 1:32:28.640 --> 1:32:31.680 do those sorts of things. But one of the things 1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:35.200 he mentioned was the MMR vaccine, the measles, mumps, rubella, 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.320 and he said that it should be split into three 1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:43.320 separate shots. Again medically unfounded. It really, as you have 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:49.560 alluded to, echoes, these long debunked claims, these Wakefield like claims, 1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:53.360 from starting from back in nineteen ninety eight. Again, Wakefield 1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:58.479 was the disgraced author of that vaccine study that tied 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:01.800 it to autism, lost his men license for that. But 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:04.680 that has persisted and carried on, and the seeds of 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:08.599 that are still growing terrible, terrible plants in trees today. 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:10.880 And one of them was this fruit of Trump saying 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:14.880 we should break up the MMR vaccine. So I'll just 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:18.240 say it up front. One, there's no reason to do that. 1:33:18.320 --> 1:33:22.000 There's no reason that shows improved safety. There's no credible 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:25.640 evidence to suggest that at least, and more importantly, the 1:33:25.760 --> 1:33:28.920 more you split these things up, the more likely you're 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:30.040 gonna end up missing doses. 1:33:30.400 --> 1:33:32.160 That is like a known fact. 1:33:33.040 --> 1:33:36.559 If you delay vaccines, if you split them up more 1:33:36.600 --> 1:33:39.160 than they need to be, there is a much greater 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:42.519 chance you will miss that. In case this is not clear, 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:45.160 measles is bad. It is one of the most contagious 1:33:45.240 --> 1:33:49.439 viruses out there, and lower vaccination rates quickly lead to outbreaks, 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:52.719 as we're already starting to see, and when there's already 1:33:52.760 --> 1:33:55.920 some hesitancy in the community, pushing it like this is 1:33:56.000 --> 1:33:58.799 a terrible thing. So even though that was a throwaway 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:01.599 statement from the presentident of the United States, it could 1:34:01.640 --> 1:34:05.800 have serious repercussions. And it's it's very concerning, and I've 1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:08.920 also I have committed myself every single time this comes 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:11.800 up that the Wakefield study, which is where this this 1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:15.760 whole separate da war thing like came up as it's 1:34:15.840 --> 1:34:18.760 not even a conclusion that even even if you take 1:34:18.920 --> 1:34:22.280 his completely fake premise that he made up, it doesn't 1:34:22.320 --> 1:34:24.640 actually follow that you should split the vaccines up. 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:27.720 It's baffling. But the second thing is the reason he 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:29.360 wanted to split the vaccines up was that he was 1:34:29.400 --> 1:34:33.400 trying to sell his own vaccines. Correct, he was just 1:34:33.479 --> 1:34:35.680 trying to sell his own vaccin I it makes me 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:38.800 insane every single time this has talked about, because this 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:42.439 whole thing is sibbetically, it's literally an industrial complex it's 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:44.600 like the y vaccine industrial complex. They're all trying to 1:34:44.640 --> 1:34:46.479 sell you something. That's the whole thing. 1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:51.360 I was watching Trump give this talk this press conference, 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:54.439 and I said, I think I said this on another 1:34:54.840 --> 1:34:56.360 show here on this channel. 1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:59.880 I started to disassociate. I'm like, yeah, this can't be real. 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:01.280 I am I dreaming? 1:35:01.560 --> 1:35:01.680 Is this? 1:35:02.360 --> 1:35:05.120 It felt like I was having an out of body experience. 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:08.280 It did not feel real to me. To be fully transparent, 1:35:08.520 --> 1:35:10.800 I did not make it through that press conference. Watching 1:35:10.840 --> 1:35:13.519 it on video. About like four minutes in, I was like, 1:35:13.640 --> 1:35:16.519 fuck this, I'm going to read the transcript. So I'm 1:35:16.560 --> 1:35:19.679 just working off the transcript because I was like I can't. 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:20.800 It was tough. I can't do this. 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:23.679 So on my podcast, The House of Pod you should 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:28.639 all listen to it, I played a clip from Trump 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:32.599 talking about Tylan All and another clip of him talking 1:35:32.600 --> 1:35:36.400 about heptiz B and when you listen to it. When 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:38.320 I listened back to it as I was editing it, 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:42.120 it sounded like I edited his clips to make him 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:43.040 sound crazy. 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:44.040 I did not. 1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:47.200 I just took straight from what he says, and it 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:49.880 just the way he was talking. It's hard to listen to. 1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:52.160 I mean, it's hard to read too. But the way 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:54.240 he talks, it's so disjointed, and he just goes from 1:35:54.240 --> 1:35:56.479 one thought to the next. Hey, does this weave thing 1:35:56.560 --> 1:35:58.759 that he thinks is so clever, But it's just lost. 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:02.080 The threads are never brought together. It's just an unraveled, 1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:05.680 terrible rug of lies. And that is that is why 1:36:05.680 --> 1:36:07.560 it's so hard to like listen to him. I I 1:36:07.800 --> 1:36:08.639 totally understand. 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:10.960 Yeah, well, but and this has also been you know, 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:12.559 one of the things that most of the media has 1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:14.439 done is that you know, in order to be able 1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:18.160 to like play a listenable clip on air, right, and 1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:22.400 also in sort of innservative power, they edit the clips 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:25.960 to make him sound like a normal human being. Right, 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:28.560 So the version of it that people are seeing is 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:30.760 not the version where he's just sort of completely ranting 1:36:30.800 --> 1:36:33.960 incoherently and like, you know, you just see these clips. 1:36:34.000 --> 1:36:36.360 But then also because they're because they're they're editing it 1:36:36.600 --> 1:36:41.960 down progressively more and more, like just more stuff more, 1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:45.320 just like information content gets lost every time, which is 1:36:45.360 --> 1:36:48.920 the problem because there's just like so much yea, the 1:36:49.040 --> 1:36:51.240 fire Hose of Nonsense. 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:59.360 Yeah, title of my first album, incredible, incredible, Oh god, Okay, 1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:02.400 so you know what, right, we're going to a second 1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:03.479 fire hose of nonsense. 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:05.479 This is slightly early to be doing this, but fuck it, 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:08.560 it's chaos week. We're doing it. Do you know what 1:37:08.600 --> 1:37:10.639 else is a fire hose of nonsense? Oh? 1:37:10.920 --> 1:37:12.760 Well, I wouldn't say it's nonsense. I would say it's 1:37:12.920 --> 1:37:16.160 very important in these bills. So it's very very important 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:18.400 I believe in. I don't end up just kidding. I'm 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:21.200 assuming ads and services. Yeah, this is the froucess services 1:37:21.240 --> 1:37:22.280 to support this podcast. 1:37:34.960 --> 1:37:40.120 We are back. So it makes the torrent of you know, 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:42.840 the the MMR stuff, which also I do want to say, 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:46.200 very briefly, is sort of a baffling thing to be 1:37:46.320 --> 1:37:49.000 talking about in a thing where you're not blaming the 1:37:49.120 --> 1:37:51.880 vaccines for autism, you're blaming Thailand all but then you're 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:55.679 still also mad at the vaccine. It's very weird. Yeah. 1:37:55.800 --> 1:37:56.720 I had thoughts about that. 1:37:57.240 --> 1:38:00.400 You know, I felt like what Trump was doing with 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:03.960 that by bringing up the vaccine stuff was I felt 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:07.680 he was trying to console RFK Junior in a way. 1:38:08.520 --> 1:38:10.360 I felt like he was like, Okay, hey, we're moving 1:38:10.400 --> 1:38:13.280 away from the vaccine stuff to focus on this tile 1:38:13.360 --> 1:38:15.760 law stuff. But I know how much you love the 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:19.200 vaccine stuff, AREFK, So let's talk about that. 1:38:19.360 --> 1:38:21.240 So I felt like he was just throwing that out 1:38:21.280 --> 1:38:25.200 there to play k RFK Junior. That was my guess. 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:27.720 But I don't know how to read sociopaths very well, 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:31.599 so this could also just be like what comes into 1:38:31.680 --> 1:38:35.360 his mind when he thinks about medicine, right, so you know, 1:38:35.960 --> 1:38:39.360 oh yeah, again, weird to me that this president was 1:38:39.439 --> 1:38:43.040 giving medical advice. I mean, he was making statements, do 1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:45.800 not take time. He said that multiple times. He talked 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:48.920 about breaking up the hepatitis B vaccine and changing the 1:38:48.920 --> 1:38:50.960 heptides B vaccine, that the times of it, which I 1:38:51.000 --> 1:38:52.920 think we're going to talk about because that is very 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:57.120 important to me, and things that doctors would have a 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:01.000 little pause to say so strongly, and even the people 1:39:01.160 --> 1:39:05.280 whose paper he's citing would say, oh, slow down a 1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:08.240 little bit with that. You know, it's very important. I 1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:11.479 think it's super impactful, and you're right, it's slipping under 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:13.880 the radar. So I would love to talk about the 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:16.000 hepatitis B stuff. Yeah, let's do this. 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:19.519 So I'll give a little background for your listeners who 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:23.559 don't know me. I am a gastroentrologist and hepatologist. That's liver, 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:26.759 not herpetologist, which is a study of snakes, which sometimes 1:39:26.840 --> 1:39:30.920 people think online. I am a doctor that looks at 1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:34.200 the liver, and hepatitis B has an important place in 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:38.360 my heart. It's a disease that can be incredibly devastating. 1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:42.720 It's incredibly common, it has so many complications, It has 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:46.560 such long term ramifications on someone's life if they have it, 1:39:47.200 --> 1:39:49.439 so many things they have to consider, do follow up, 1:39:49.840 --> 1:39:51.720 so many possible things that can happen with it. And 1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:54.800 the thing about it is we have a vaccine for 1:39:54.960 --> 1:40:01.200 it that is very safe and super efficacious, works really well, 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:05.639 and when we use it, it works amazing. In Trump 1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:09.799 during this conference through that a couple of passing shots 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:12.760 as he was doing this this whole rant about tile 1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:15.800 mall et cetera, and those passing shots can have a 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:19.519 huge impact on uptake in this country. I think it 1:40:19.680 --> 1:40:21.840 really needs to be discussed. So I'll stop there. I'll 1:40:21.880 --> 1:40:23.439 let you see what questions do you have for me 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:25.640 of hepatities because I could talk about hepatitis B for 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:26.280 a long time. 1:40:26.560 --> 1:40:29.040 Yeah, okay, let's let's let's go back to like the 1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:33.000 very basic How would you explain hepatitis be to our 1:40:33.040 --> 1:40:35.600 dear listener who knows many things, but what hepatitis B 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:36.760 is is not one of them. 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:43.280 Yes, so hepatitis just means inflammation of the liver. Anything 1:40:43.320 --> 1:40:46.519 with itis means inflammation. And there are different ways of 1:40:46.560 --> 1:40:51.880 getting hepatitis or inflammation of the liver. They range from alcohol, medications, 1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:57.120 autoimmune problems to viral things. And there are viral things 1:40:57.160 --> 1:41:02.880 that can cause bad hepatitis affect the liver, primarily hepatitis A, B, C. 1:41:03.080 --> 1:41:07.000 You've heard of some of these hepatides, and hepatitis B 1:41:07.680 --> 1:41:10.360 is a very common one in the world. It's about 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:13.360 two billion people in the world have either had it 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:18.160 or presently have it. About eight hundred and eighty thousand 1:41:18.479 --> 1:41:22.720 people in the US alone have chronic hepatitis B, but 1:41:22.880 --> 1:41:25.800 if you actually look at studies that include more immigrant populations, 1:41:25.840 --> 1:41:27.880 that number can go up to about two point two million. 1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:33.439 It is something that can when you get it at 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:36.880 an early age, when you're young and you're a baby 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:39.840 or an infant, you're young and your immune system is 1:41:39.920 --> 1:41:43.599 not super robust yet. It's very likely about ninety percent 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:46.040 or more that if you are exposed to it. You'll 1:41:46.040 --> 1:41:50.120 get chronic infection from it. If you get it when 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:52.800 you're older, it's a little different. You can have a 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:56.839 pretty strong reaction to it. You'll get really sick, potentially 1:41:57.000 --> 1:42:00.720 sometimes to the point where the liver fails, but most 1:42:00.800 --> 1:42:03.679 people are when they're older able to clear it. They're 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.559 going to eventually get rid of the virus point where 1:42:06.640 --> 1:42:09.080 the liver is fine and it manages, but it lives 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:12.280 in the liver indefinitely. Once you get the hepatitis B, 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:15.200 it's a very good chance you will have it forever. 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:18.080 Whether or not it's causing you problems is another thing. 1:42:18.160 --> 1:42:19.640 A lot of people can live with it not have 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:22.000 any problems, but a lot of people will get it 1:42:22.080 --> 1:42:25.600 and they will be very sick in the beginning. And 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:28.040 when you get it as an infant, you have a 1:42:28.200 --> 1:42:30.439 very good chance of having it for the rest of 1:42:30.479 --> 1:42:34.639 your life. And that can be a major problem because 1:42:35.520 --> 1:42:38.040 like all viruses that go into the liver like this, 1:42:38.400 --> 1:42:42.960 all these viral hepatities, what can happen is it can 1:42:43.040 --> 1:42:46.160 cause scarring, which you might have heard of when it's 1:42:46.200 --> 1:42:49.920 really bad, called cirrhosis. When that happens, the liver can 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:54.240 stop working. You can get cancer of the liver. You 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:58.559 can get big blood vessels in your esophagus called esophageal varices, 1:42:58.600 --> 1:42:59.519 and vomited blood. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:03.280 You can get a lot of bad things that happen. 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:08.160 Now, what makes heptities be particularly insidious, It makes it 1:43:08.200 --> 1:43:11.320 a little bit even my opinion, more dangerous than a 1:43:11.400 --> 1:43:17.360 lot of other viral hepatides is that you don't always 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:19.880 have to go through these phases to get to the 1:43:19.960 --> 1:43:22.879 really bad part. Like when you have hepatitis C, for example, 1:43:23.439 --> 1:43:26.400 you get bad scarring over a long time that can 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:30.160 cause that cirrhosis, and that cirrrosis can lead to cancer. 1:43:30.920 --> 1:43:35.240 But since hepatitis B is a DNA virus, that DNA 1:43:35.360 --> 1:43:38.120 can get into the DNA of your liver cells and 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:41.400 it can cause cancer without even having to go through 1:43:41.439 --> 1:43:46.519 those steps of cirrhosis. That obviously terrible, and that can 1:43:46.600 --> 1:43:49.080 happen to young people, and I've seen it and it's awful. 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:51.960 So I'm saying all these terrible things about hepatitis B 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:56.360 because it's one of these things that does not need 1:43:56.520 --> 1:43:58.720 to be I didn't mean to say that like that, No, 1:43:59.479 --> 1:44:01.000 I didn't mean to make a play on words there. 1:44:01.200 --> 1:44:03.880 But it doesn't need to happen because we have this 1:44:04.320 --> 1:44:08.559 great vaccine that can manage this and when we use 1:44:08.640 --> 1:44:11.519 this vaccine, it works. In fact, in the US, they 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.400 looked at it between nineteen ninety it was introduced in 1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:17.120 this country, like for infants in nineteen ninety one, and 1:44:17.160 --> 1:44:19.840 when they looked from nineteen ninety to two thousand and four, 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:23.760 they saw a ninety four percent decrease in kids in 1:44:23.800 --> 1:44:28.080 adolescents who have hepatitis being incredible, I mean, that's amazing. 1:44:28.600 --> 1:44:31.519 That's really good. Like this is a great success story. 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:35.000 And part of the reason people like Trump don't recognize 1:44:35.040 --> 1:44:38.240 that this is an issue because it's done well, because 1:44:38.320 --> 1:44:42.000 this vaccine works and it does a good job. Now, 1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:45.800 the other thing to discuss is how it is transmitted, 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:48.040 because that's a big part of what Trump was saying 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:53.600 during this press conference. Yeah, and he said it's sexually transmitted, 1:44:53.880 --> 1:44:57.040 which is true. That is one of the ways that 1:44:57.120 --> 1:44:59.679 you get it, but you also get. 1:44:59.560 --> 1:45:00.880 It from the mother. 1:45:01.040 --> 1:45:03.759 The mother when you're having a pregnancy and a delivery, 1:45:03.840 --> 1:45:08.479 it's a messy, bloody process and that is a huge 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:11.840 risk factor for the infant getting hepatized b from the mother. 1:45:12.360 --> 1:45:15.240 There's also household things that can happen. You know, people 1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:19.200 share razors, that's a risk factor. Toothbrushes, small things, bites 1:45:19.680 --> 1:45:23.520 at daycare centers. All these things are small risks. They're 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:28.000 not as common as sex or the childbirth ways of transmission, 1:45:28.280 --> 1:45:32.600 but there are other modes of transmission for getting hepatitis B, 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:36.240 not just sex like Trump was saying. So, I think 1:45:36.280 --> 1:45:40.120 that's super important to be clear that. I think that 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:42.439 is one of the major things he said that was wrong. 1:45:42.479 --> 1:45:43.800 He said a lot of things are wrong, but that's 1:45:43.840 --> 1:45:45.840 probably the biggest easiest one to point out. 1:45:46.800 --> 1:45:48.640 Yeah, And I think it also was interesting because that 1:45:48.760 --> 1:45:50.080 was one of the things that got followed up on 1:45:50.200 --> 1:45:52.120 by reporters. But the reporter was like, well, you can 1:45:52.160 --> 1:45:56.360 also get it from like reusing needles, which like yeah, 1:45:56.520 --> 1:45:59.800 but like not mentioning the whole. You can get it 1:45:59.840 --> 1:46:03.120 for being born, a thing that everyone has to do. Statistically, 1:46:03.640 --> 1:46:07.680 this is the statistics bear that out. 1:46:07.800 --> 1:46:08.320 That is true. 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:11.880 Yeah, but a percent rate of being born in order to. 1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:16.560 Exist, that's exactly that's exactly right. You know why I 1:46:16.680 --> 1:46:20.200 realized why Trump says this. This is the realization I 1:46:20.280 --> 1:46:22.400 came to. He doesn't even think about this as a 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:26.080 possible mode of transmission. If you've ever seen a delivery, 1:46:26.120 --> 1:46:27.920 I don't know if you have mia, but if you've 1:46:27.960 --> 1:46:32.680 ever seen someone give birth, whether it's natural, vaginal or 1:46:32.920 --> 1:46:38.679 cesarean or whatever, whatever method, there is a lot of fluids, blood, mucus. 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:41.800 There's a lot of fluids happening during this time exchange 1:46:41.880 --> 1:46:45.560 between mother and baby. And if you saw that, I 1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:49.200 think you'd be like, oh, well, yeah, that makes sense 1:46:49.200 --> 1:46:50.320 that you would get it that way. If you do 1:46:50.439 --> 1:46:52.680 get it through sex, why couldn't you get it through that? 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:55.640 You know, if you could get it by putting a 1:46:55.840 --> 1:46:58.160 penis into a vagina, for example, why couldn't you get 1:46:58.200 --> 1:47:01.240 it from being birth from one? So you would you 1:47:01.240 --> 1:47:02.760 would see that, and you would it would make sense 1:47:02.800 --> 1:47:06.559 to you inherently and automatically. My guess is that Trump 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:10.400 has not seen any of his kids delivered that that 1:47:10.479 --> 1:47:13.560 would not surprise me. I mean, if he was in 1:47:13.640 --> 1:47:17.439 a nearby room, I would be impressed in edwa cast 1:47:17.520 --> 1:47:18.839 aspersions on our president. 1:47:18.920 --> 1:47:19.240 I don't know. 1:47:19.360 --> 1:47:22.200 Maybe he was there, you know, cutting the umbilical corridor. 1:47:22.240 --> 1:47:23.920 I don't know, but I get the sense he was not, 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:26.519 And I feel like that's why in his mind he 1:47:26.600 --> 1:47:27.760 doesn't even register it. 1:47:28.520 --> 1:47:30.200 And then then the other thing that makes that's weird 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:32.080 about this is he's like, Oh, it's just me. 1:47:32.240 --> 1:47:34.760 I say that they get the shot at the age 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:38.360 of twelve because it's sexually transmitted, and that makes me wonder. 1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:41.519 I'm surprised no one's brought this up. Why does he 1:47:41.600 --> 1:47:44.280 think that's okay? Then does he think that kids are 1:47:44.280 --> 1:47:46.280 having sex at the age of twelve and that's okay? 1:47:47.120 --> 1:47:49.120 Why did why did twelve become the number for him? 1:47:49.840 --> 1:47:55.240 It's so weird and I don't know that's truly one 1:47:55.320 --> 1:48:00.760 of the There is something just deeply evil going on 1:48:00.920 --> 1:48:03.560 in his mind, but I have no idea what it is, 1:48:03.640 --> 1:48:06.240 and I can't follow the path of logic because I'm 1:48:06.320 --> 1:48:10.920 not like a billionaire who was born in like the 1:48:11.040 --> 1:48:17.040 fifties or whatever. I don't know that that guy has 1:48:17.200 --> 1:48:21.600 seen That guy has gotten brainword from things that like 1:48:21.840 --> 1:48:25.960 don't exist anymore. No, he was born in the forties. Sorry, 1:48:26.000 --> 1:48:29.679 my apologies for thinking he was born a full decade 1:48:29.760 --> 1:48:33.960 later than he actually was. Good lord, Yeah, I mean 1:48:35.080 --> 1:48:37.200 I think the results are still the same. Yeah, But 1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:39.160 I mean it's like, you know, there's just like there's 1:48:39.240 --> 1:48:42.400 prejudices and weird stuff that he picked up rattling around 1:48:42.439 --> 1:48:45.479 there that like who knows where they came from. And 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:48.040 I think also, you know, one of the other ankles 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:52.960 about this that's sort of really distressing is this like 1:48:53.160 --> 1:48:55.600 what feels like the sort of stigmatizing aspect of it 1:48:56.479 --> 1:48:58.040 of just being like, oh, well, there's something you can 1:48:58.120 --> 1:49:00.920 only get like sexually transmitted, like why are we giving 1:49:00.960 --> 1:49:03.400 this to kids? And it's like, well, yeah, but like 1:49:03.439 --> 1:49:04.840 there's just like a bunch of other ways that you 1:49:04.920 --> 1:49:07.439 can get it, and like only talking about that one 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:10.519 and then having it as an excuse to raise the 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:13.559 vaccination age for no reason, and that. 1:49:14.200 --> 1:49:17.479 You know, again goes back to the MMR thing, because 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:20.479 you know, when we talk about giving these doses, the 1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:24.120 who the CDC, they recommend the birth vaccine within twenty 1:49:24.160 --> 1:49:27.360 four hours or the first at least. Then the current 1:49:27.400 --> 1:49:29.559 schedule is you get at birth and follow up set 1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:31.479 one to two months, and then again at six to 1:49:31.560 --> 1:49:35.960 fifteen months. And part of the thing of stretching that out, 1:49:36.160 --> 1:49:39.000 pushing that out further again same thing as the MMR, 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:41.800 which is the more likely you are to not do 1:49:41.880 --> 1:49:43.840 it at all and to have decreased uptake. 1:49:44.200 --> 1:49:47.840 Yeah, so this is the real reason why that's a concern. Yeah, 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:53.040 and it's this sort of decreased uptake is their goal, right, 1:49:53.240 --> 1:49:56.400 Like that's what they want. Like that's why RFKI Junior, 1:49:56.479 --> 1:50:00.240 for example, is making it increasingly difficult to get the 1:50:00.360 --> 1:50:02.800 COVID vaccine and the flu vaccine and stuff like that. 1:50:03.439 --> 1:50:05.400 And it's you know, they're doing this sort of like 1:50:05.520 --> 1:50:10.400 double pronged approach of both establishing it from the top 1:50:10.479 --> 1:50:12.960 down through the medical bureaucracy of taking control of and 1:50:13.280 --> 1:50:18.439 also just like spreading it among their supporters and among 1:50:18.520 --> 1:50:22.320 people who are like, oh that the President wouldn't just 1:50:22.479 --> 1:50:28.120 like lie to me about medical stuff, right, that's unreasonable. 1:50:29.200 --> 1:50:32.759 And I mean if you didn't know, if you didn't 1:50:32.920 --> 1:50:36.560 know that there was another means of transmission, what he 1:50:36.760 --> 1:50:40.800 said is reasonable. You know, why would you give an 1:50:40.920 --> 1:50:46.439 infant a vaccine for something they could only get through sex. 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:49.760 I mean, yeah, you bet sure that makes sense, but 1:50:49.880 --> 1:51:02.760 it's just wrong. Yeah, it's kind of pointless to ask 1:51:02.800 --> 1:51:05.880 the question does he know he's lying on this one? 1:51:07.040 --> 1:51:10.439 But I don't think he is. I honestly don't think 1:51:10.479 --> 1:51:11.200 he understands. 1:51:11.640 --> 1:51:15.240 I think he probably did hear that there are some 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:20.480 other modes of transmission, and in his mind, it requires 1:51:20.560 --> 1:51:24.000 some sort of blood contact or some sort of mucosal 1:51:24.080 --> 1:51:27.240 contact in his mind, and that's how he interpreted it. 1:51:27.600 --> 1:51:31.600 And I think he just doesn't equate that with childbirth. 1:51:31.840 --> 1:51:34.400 I think he assumes it like because the child he 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:37.840 sees comes out like perfectly wrapped and cleaned and you know, 1:51:38.040 --> 1:51:41.599 looks like a little baby in like a blanket when 1:51:41.680 --> 1:51:44.000 he sees it. Yeah, So I think I think that's 1:51:44.080 --> 1:51:45.479 the thing. I think he believes this. 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:48.040 I don't think he's lying on purpose on this one. Yeah, 1:51:49.080 --> 1:51:51.360 that makes sense, And I think I don't know. I 1:51:51.400 --> 1:51:52.960 think it's an interesting aspect of this is that this 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:56.360 is like it was kind of just a Trump thing, right, 1:51:57.080 --> 1:51:58.720 Like this is like one of the parts of it 1:51:58.800 --> 1:52:04.200 that like RFK Junior and Martin McCarry didn't really talk about. 1:52:04.320 --> 1:52:07.960 It was just Trump kind of just like started talking 1:52:08.000 --> 1:52:10.840 about it for reasons that are deeply unclear. Yeah. 1:52:11.080 --> 1:52:15.240 I mean, Martin McCarry is an interesting guy, and I 1:52:15.360 --> 1:52:17.200 think he did some good things in the past and 1:52:17.479 --> 1:52:21.920 done some not so great things. Some bad things, Yeah, 1:52:22.040 --> 1:52:26.000 would not be serve this administration. This may shock you, Mia, 1:52:26.800 --> 1:52:29.920 but Trump picked somebody for a high level position that 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:31.240 might be a little problematic. 1:52:31.479 --> 1:52:34.320 Well, especially this version of the administration too, where it's 1:52:34.400 --> 1:52:37.240 like in Trump won it was possible for them for 1:52:37.360 --> 1:52:40.200 him to appoint someone random and it kind of be 1:52:40.439 --> 1:52:43.679 like Department of Energy, right right, They put Rick Perry, 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:46.360 who famously would call to a well forgot that it 1:52:46.439 --> 1:52:49.040 was the thing that he wanted to abolish. But then 1:52:49.160 --> 1:52:51.479 he got in charge of it, and the Department of 1:52:51.560 --> 1:52:54.760 Energy of people like explained to him this is where 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:56.960 the nuke stuff is. And then he was like, sure, whatever, 1:52:57.160 --> 1:53:00.439 fucking go run this. I'll just stay out of everyone's way. 1:53:00.479 --> 1:53:02.880 And that kind of works fine. That he's not happening 1:53:02.960 --> 1:53:07.320 this administration. You are not kidding, You're actual Rick Perry 1:53:07.520 --> 1:53:11.519 going to like a make workshop, letting the bureaucrats run 1:53:11.600 --> 1:53:15.200 the actual stuff. How wild it is that we long 1:53:15.320 --> 1:53:22.280 for the days of Rick Perry. Yeah, the days when 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:25.240 someone could explain to you, hey, this is the department 1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:27.280 that does the nukes, and they'd be and they would 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:33.320 change their opinion about it. Staggering incredible. So let me 1:53:33.400 --> 1:53:36.360 tell you a little bit more about this McCrary character. 1:53:37.040 --> 1:53:39.679 So he is a surgeon. I don't think he practice 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:42.439 as a surgeon, anymore. But he's sort of a health 1:53:42.520 --> 1:53:46.679 policy expertly self fashioned as one, and he's the person 1:53:46.800 --> 1:53:50.559 that was tapped by Donald Trump to leave the FDA. 1:53:51.120 --> 1:53:55.200 You've seen him on Fox News a lot, and he's 1:53:55.360 --> 1:53:59.040 been very outspoken about pandemic policies in the past. He 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:02.920 was noted as one of the greatest perpetrators of COVID 1:54:03.200 --> 1:54:06.640 misinformation during those times when the people fact checked him 1:54:06.680 --> 1:54:10.120 again and again found that he was wrong. But the 1:54:10.200 --> 1:54:12.920 thing about him that you may or may not know 1:54:13.320 --> 1:54:16.080 how I first learned of him and how he popped 1:54:16.160 --> 1:54:19.040 up on my radar a while back, was he is 1:54:19.200 --> 1:54:22.559 the person that's responsible for this claim that medical error 1:54:23.120 --> 1:54:24.280 is the third. 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:27.360 Leading cause of death in the United States. Sometimes that's 1:54:27.439 --> 1:54:32.320 cited as second. Yes, that's him, he's the person, oh boy, right, 1:54:32.640 --> 1:54:35.560 Which there's a lot of issues with this claim. It 1:54:35.720 --> 1:54:41.240 is at best controversial. It's based on extrapolated data. There 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:44.080 was no formal methodology that went into him doing this. 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:49.000 It totally misrepresents the complexity of healthcare and healthcare outcomes. 1:54:49.560 --> 1:54:54.120 But it's like the herpees of medical misinformation because it 1:54:54.240 --> 1:54:57.080 always comes back no matter how many times it gets 1:54:57.120 --> 1:55:00.320 disproven or people talk about it. It always comes back, 1:55:00.640 --> 1:55:04.320 and it's always used as this. It's an inherent part 1:55:04.400 --> 1:55:08.000 of the belief structure of these anti vaxxers. It is 1:55:08.440 --> 1:55:11.839 taken as gospel now. But back in twenty sixteen, basically 1:55:11.880 --> 1:55:14.880 he wrote this BMJ paper that estimated something like two 1:55:14.960 --> 1:55:18.120 hundred and fifty thousand deaths per year in US hospitals 1:55:18.160 --> 1:55:21.240 were due to medical errors. But again, was not a 1:55:21.320 --> 1:55:26.040 formal study. It presented no new data, and it didn't 1:55:26.080 --> 1:55:29.600 have any sort of real rigorous statistical method behind it. 1:55:30.000 --> 1:55:33.920 It kind of averaged figures from different sources. It doesn't 1:55:34.280 --> 1:55:39.120 actually even work because death certificates don't capture medical error, 1:55:39.200 --> 1:55:41.200 so it's hard to really study that even if you 1:55:41.280 --> 1:55:44.880 wanted to. But anyways, long story short, no matter how 1:55:44.920 --> 1:55:48.680 many times people disprove this or make arguments that work 1:55:48.840 --> 1:55:50.520 against it, it never goes away. 1:55:50.560 --> 1:55:54.720 So that's him. That's McCary, Oh boy, oh boy. And 1:55:54.760 --> 1:55:57.640 he's not running the FDA, which is oh yeah, which 1:55:57.760 --> 1:55:58.160 is great. 1:55:58.600 --> 1:56:02.680 We put the war people in charge of quite possibly 1:56:02.720 --> 1:56:05.680 the most important part of our country. 1:56:06.240 --> 1:56:08.760 Yeah, I mean just the Health and Human Service is 1:56:08.840 --> 1:56:12.760 run by RFK Junior. Is just when he first took 1:56:12.840 --> 1:56:14.960 off as my line on it was millions will die, 1:56:15.240 --> 1:56:20.800 and we are so incredibly on track for millions to 1:56:20.960 --> 1:56:25.720 die from just this guy and his people being put 1:56:25.760 --> 1:56:26.280 in charge. 1:56:27.240 --> 1:56:29.680 Yeah, I mean, I should say one more thing about 1:56:29.960 --> 1:56:33.360 maccarury before we move on from him that claim. You know, 1:56:33.880 --> 1:56:36.280 I wouldn't say that medical error isn't an issue. I 1:56:36.280 --> 1:56:38.000 think it is a very serious issue. Even if there's 1:56:38.200 --> 1:56:40.760 one or two cases in the whole country, it's a 1:56:40.880 --> 1:56:44.360 serious issue and that should be addressed. But what he's 1:56:44.440 --> 1:56:47.520 doing is I think harmful. I don't think that is 1:56:47.640 --> 1:56:50.360 helping in any way. I think it's only made things 1:56:50.440 --> 1:56:53.680 worse by contributing to where we're at today with our 1:56:53.720 --> 1:56:58.839 anti vax stance, our whole anti intellectual approach to medicine. 1:56:59.480 --> 1:57:01.920 And that's that's a thing that they do. This is 1:57:01.960 --> 1:57:04.320 the thing they take a little kernel of truth. If 1:57:04.360 --> 1:57:07.920 there is any lack of knowledge, that there's any slight 1:57:08.160 --> 1:57:11.800 vacuum in understanding, it gets filled with these bad actors, 1:57:11.920 --> 1:57:14.360 these people, and he is, in my opinion, one of them, 1:57:14.880 --> 1:57:20.240 but still somehow not the worst, you know, not the worst. 1:57:20.480 --> 1:57:22.680 Is one of those bars in the Trump administration where 1:57:22.720 --> 1:57:24.840 it's not even the bar solo. It's on the ground. 1:57:24.880 --> 1:57:26.960 The bar is so low that like you have to 1:57:27.040 --> 1:57:30.080 go digging to get under the bar. And it's not 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:32.360 like a little bit of digging, it's a lot of 1:57:32.440 --> 1:57:37.360 digging because the bar truly is below hell. There's like 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:41.120 a second hell down there to find this bar for 1:57:41.120 --> 1:57:46.960 where these people are. Oh god, it's second hell. Every 1:57:47.040 --> 1:57:51.400 time I look into any of these people, just yeah, no, no, 1:57:51.720 --> 1:57:55.120 you're never going to be surprised. Has get hit or 1:57:55.200 --> 1:57:59.560 mariad with an axe? Like this guy's just the secretary 1:57:59.560 --> 1:58:01.360 of Defense now he's like, he's the guy going in 1:58:01.560 --> 1:58:03.680 yelling at the generals. This is the guy who was 1:58:03.760 --> 1:58:06.160 on Fox News and he threw he just throwing an 1:58:06.200 --> 1:58:08.120 axe and he threw it over the target and it 1:58:08.240 --> 1:58:11.320 hit a bunch of marines. Like what are we doing here? 1:58:11.480 --> 1:58:14.680 Well, whom amongst us hasn't done that? Maybe he is 1:58:14.720 --> 1:58:15.480 the real Antifa. 1:58:17.520 --> 1:58:19.640 Yeah that's true. True. I have never hit a marine 1:58:19.680 --> 1:58:22.560 with an axe. Yeah. So now well there you go. 1:58:23.080 --> 1:58:31.440 Huh tragic, Tavia, Do you have anything else that you 1:58:31.520 --> 1:58:37.640 want to tell our dear listeners about this whole debacle? 1:58:38.560 --> 1:58:42.720 Get your vaccines? Yeah, you know, get your vaccines. Get vaccinated. 1:58:42.920 --> 1:58:46.680 Now's the time to start doing it for flu and COVID. 1:58:46.720 --> 1:58:49.360 If you can talk to your doctor. If you're having 1:58:49.800 --> 1:58:54.120 difficulty getting your vaccine from your local places, your regular places, 1:58:54.240 --> 1:58:55.600 talk to your doctor about getting it. 1:58:56.840 --> 1:58:59.160 You should still be able to in most cases, So 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:00.800 do it while you can. 1:59:01.200 --> 1:59:04.280 And if you want to hear more about this stuff, 1:59:04.800 --> 1:59:08.080 make sure to check out my podcast, The House of Pod. 1:59:08.560 --> 1:59:11.400 We're going to talk about the stuff a lot more. 1:59:11.520 --> 1:59:14.680 We'll talk about other stuff too, but you'll hear more 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:18.160 on this along the way as well. And you know, 1:59:18.360 --> 1:59:21.560 I like that people are questioning some of these things. 1:59:21.800 --> 1:59:24.840 I don't think it's unreasonable. Some of these topics are 1:59:24.960 --> 1:59:29.320 not unreasonable to have. You know, we as I discussed 1:59:29.400 --> 1:59:34.520 earlier on another podcast on this channel, Channels that we 1:59:34.640 --> 1:59:37.840 say on this network, I should say the title and 1:59:37.880 --> 1:59:42.040 all autism question is not like a totally wacky crazy one. 1:59:42.680 --> 1:59:46.520 It was a decent question to ask. There was some correlation, 1:59:47.280 --> 1:59:49.960 but the evidence when you look at it, shows that 1:59:50.240 --> 1:59:54.600 it is very likely not a causal relationship when you 1:59:54.680 --> 1:59:56.360 look at the evidence. And I think it's okay to 1:59:56.440 --> 1:59:59.000 have some of these conversations, and sometimes it takes a 1:59:59.000 --> 2:00:01.880 little nuance when you look at them, but I encourage 2:00:01.920 --> 2:00:05.800 people to continue to do so, and to keep reading 2:00:05.960 --> 2:00:09.520 and to find trusted sources and look at those and 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:12.320 learn about them yourself. I think if nothing else good 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:14.640 comes from all this, it's that people are starting to 2:00:14.680 --> 2:00:18.880 have an understanding of antibodies and the science behind vaccines. 2:00:18.920 --> 2:00:21.600 And I think that's not a bad thing. So, I mean, 2:00:22.040 --> 2:00:24.880 things are terrible. Things are terrible. There's so many bad 2:00:24.960 --> 2:00:27.000 things in the world. But I will say this, I 2:00:27.120 --> 2:00:30.600 see bright spots constantly. I see more and more people 2:00:30.600 --> 2:00:33.560 who care about science. I see more and more people 2:00:33.680 --> 2:00:36.480 than I ever have before care about important topics across 2:00:36.520 --> 2:00:39.840 the world. They're not scientific, like gaza, for example. I've 2:00:39.880 --> 2:00:43.120 seen more people care about things that I've ever seen 2:00:43.160 --> 2:00:47.280 before in my long life, and I feel like that's 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:50.000 a good thing. There are bright spots out there and 2:00:50.080 --> 2:00:53.240 that's what I cling to. And I see more people 2:00:53.280 --> 2:00:56.200 interested in this. People want to talk to me about 2:00:56.360 --> 2:00:59.040 hepatitis B and what it is and how to avoid it. 2:00:59.280 --> 2:01:01.640 And I think that's great. So there's some good coming 2:01:01.720 --> 2:01:01.960 from this. 2:01:03.000 --> 2:01:04.640 Yeah. And you know, and this is I think the 2:01:04.680 --> 2:01:07.320 fundamental thing that both the media apparatus and the regime 2:01:07.360 --> 2:01:09.280 are trying to conceal which is that there are more 2:01:09.320 --> 2:01:12.600 of us than there are of them. There always have been, 2:01:12.880 --> 2:01:16.600 and especially right now, there are way more of us. 2:01:17.360 --> 2:01:21.280 And you know, their ability to shape the world is disastrous, 2:01:21.320 --> 2:01:25.280 but their ability to shape the world as fundamentally a 2:01:25.400 --> 2:01:29.480 minoritarian force in this country right with like thirty to 2:01:29.560 --> 2:01:32.280 forty percent of the population, is always going to be 2:01:32.400 --> 2:01:35.200 limited and always is always going to be in danger 2:01:35.480 --> 2:01:39.680 of simply being reversed. And we can be that reversal, 2:01:39.800 --> 2:01:43.040 one person at a time. Yeah, I love that. Well, Kaye, 2:01:43.160 --> 2:01:46.040 thank you for being on the show, and go listen 2:01:46.080 --> 2:01:49.720 to House of Pod is great. It's all thank you. Yeah, 2:01:50.440 --> 2:01:53.680 we're okay. 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You 2:03:45.280 --> 2:03:48.520 can find them by tagging Robert on social media at 2:03:49.680 --> 2:03:52.880 why Sophie, Why We're finishing our twenty part series. 2:03:53.480 --> 2:03:56.440 People have asked for episodes on how to be a 2:03:56.480 --> 2:03:58.280 gun owner, and so we're putting together a twenty part 2:03:58.360 --> 2:04:00.680 series on how not to shoot your own penis off. 2:04:01.320 --> 2:04:03.600 So law enforcement officers in the audience, you'll want to 2:04:03.640 --> 2:04:04.360 check that one out. 2:04:04.880 --> 2:04:07.320 I just got a notification that Sophie had canceled ed. 2:04:07.640 --> 2:04:10.520 Which are things from responds to what we're doing right now. 2:04:11.520 --> 2:04:13.360 Let's start because there's a lot of news this week 2:04:13.400 --> 2:04:16.120 by talking about, frankly, the most important news story in 2:04:16.200 --> 2:04:19.840 the whole nation right now. On Thursday October second, right 2:04:19.880 --> 2:04:22.840 wing influencer Nick Sorder, along with two other people. 2:04:24.960 --> 2:04:25.240 I know. 2:04:28.840 --> 2:04:31.040 It's stupid, Oh, it's really stupid. 2:04:30.920 --> 2:04:33.400 Along with two other people were arrested by the Portland 2:04:33.440 --> 2:04:36.200 Police Bureau in connection with a fight outside of the 2:04:36.240 --> 2:04:40.080 Ice Building during a protest. Sorder was provoking reactions from 2:04:40.120 --> 2:04:42.760 protesters when he was then chased down the street by 2:04:43.600 --> 2:04:48.240 a woman in a bird cost bird costume quote swinging 2:04:48.320 --> 2:04:50.040 a large stick covered. 2:04:49.720 --> 2:04:53.360 With feathers resulted by Big Bird. 2:04:54.560 --> 2:04:58.080 According to court documents, The three people were arrested at 2:04:58.080 --> 2:05:01.960 all charged with disorderly conduct, though charges have since been dropped. 2:05:02.760 --> 2:05:07.200 Sordi's arrest ignited a right wing firestorm the likes of 2:05:07.280 --> 2:05:10.520 which I have not seen since Charlie Kirk was assassinated. 2:05:10.840 --> 2:05:13.400 I'm glad people are finally waking up to the antifa 2:05:13.480 --> 2:05:16.320 police department that rules Portland with an iron fist. 2:05:17.400 --> 2:05:18.200 For a long time. 2:05:18.880 --> 2:05:22.080 Tim Poole posted on x the Everything app, I'm calling 2:05:22.120 --> 2:05:24.960 on the Trump administration to launch a legal challenge against 2:05:25.000 --> 2:05:28.240 Oregon following the arrest of Nick Sorter and if necessary, 2:05:28.320 --> 2:05:33.000 deployed National Guard Organs failed to uphold federal and state 2:05:33.080 --> 2:05:34.360 law and we should not tolerate it. 2:05:35.880 --> 2:05:40.480 Oh and like, yeah, there was like a fight and 2:05:40.640 --> 2:05:44.080 they detained people, and then the DA didn't press charges 2:05:44.120 --> 2:05:47.160 against Sorter, and it's it's just it couldn't be more 2:05:47.200 --> 2:05:49.360 of a nothing burger as an actual story. 2:05:49.520 --> 2:05:53.440 Nothing than nothing burger. Yeah, but oh boy, but not 2:05:53.560 --> 2:05:57.760 according to the AG's office, who quickly responded on it 2:05:58.520 --> 2:06:01.840 to Tim Poole's request, and by Friday morning, the White House, 2:06:01.880 --> 2:06:04.320 the Attorney General, and the Justice Department announced a quote 2:06:04.360 --> 2:06:08.640 unquote full investigation into the arrest and the conduct of 2:06:08.840 --> 2:06:14.040 the Portland Police bureau. Finally, conservative influencer Benny Johnson, who's 2:06:14.040 --> 2:06:16.200 been embedded with ICE this past week, posted on x 2:06:16.320 --> 2:06:20.839 Everything app quote important news. I spoke with DHS Secretary Christinome. 2:06:21.040 --> 2:06:23.800 She's been briefed on the attack and arrest of journalist 2:06:24.000 --> 2:06:28.040 Nick Sorder. Secretary Nome tells me DHS will surge ICE 2:06:28.080 --> 2:06:30.760 resources in Portland. Quote Antifa is a terrorist group and 2:06:30.840 --> 2:06:34.520 will not control our streets unquote. Thank you, Secretary Nome. 2:06:35.080 --> 2:06:39.600 Benny Johnson later shared video captioned breaking. DHS Secretary Christinome 2:06:39.600 --> 2:06:43.160 has announced the Department of War will deploy to Portland 2:06:43.280 --> 2:06:46.960 and Chicago within twenty four hours to crush left wing 2:06:47.240 --> 2:06:51.920 violence unquote. And here is the video with Christinome talking 2:06:51.960 --> 2:06:55.720 about the quote unquote Antifa affiliated anti ICE protests. 2:06:56.480 --> 2:06:59.000 Well, you've got a presence in Portland as that is 2:06:59.160 --> 2:07:04.080 Antifa ali and so that is a situation where you 2:07:04.240 --> 2:07:08.200 have known professionals targeted violence that want to tear down 2:07:08.240 --> 2:07:11.680 America and will apparently attack anyone, even journalists. 2:07:11.680 --> 2:07:13.400 They're just trying to report the truth of what's happening 2:07:13.440 --> 2:07:14.000 on the streets. 2:07:14.080 --> 2:07:15.920 So we're not just going to be rolling out of 2:07:16.000 --> 2:07:18.840 Chicago here, but we're sending in the Department of War 2:07:19.760 --> 2:07:23.280 at the request that I made to Secretary Headset, They're 2:07:23.280 --> 2:07:25.000 going to be rolling in here within the next twenty 2:07:25.040 --> 2:07:25.560 four hours. 2:07:25.920 --> 2:07:27.200 They'll be coming to Chicago too. 2:07:27.240 --> 2:07:28.920 I put a request in today for them to come 2:07:29.000 --> 2:07:31.880 to Chicago, and we're going to not only have our 2:07:32.000 --> 2:07:34.880 officers that are out there with HSI and Space, but 2:07:34.920 --> 2:07:37.720 we're also going to have backup from our military, because 2:07:37.720 --> 2:07:40.200 everybody deserves that. And so what we saw happened to 2:07:40.280 --> 2:07:43.040 that journalist last night will not happen again. 2:07:43.680 --> 2:07:47.600 Okay, Yeah, Benny Johnson showing a very professional journalism there 2:07:47.680 --> 2:07:49.240 by just saying wow a lot. 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:55.240 It's a pretty wild scene having like troops walk behind 2:07:55.640 --> 2:07:59.800 Christy Nome as this podcast or Grills Grills are on it, 2:08:00.160 --> 2:08:03.160 sending the military to cities, Yeah, in front of a backcat. 2:08:03.600 --> 2:08:09.640 The reactions from the after Nick Sorder's arrest were pretty wild, 2:08:09.880 --> 2:08:12.920 with journalists going on Fox News claiming that the Portland 2:08:13.080 --> 2:08:19.080 Police are affiliated with Antifa, and popular right wing influencers 2:08:19.200 --> 2:08:22.560 on x like Amuse saying, quote, the Portland police are 2:08:22.600 --> 2:08:26.400 now colluding with Antifa to prosecute federal officers protecting the 2:08:26.600 --> 2:08:27.600 ICE facility. 2:08:28.080 --> 2:08:29.400 When has that happened. 2:08:30.560 --> 2:08:33.800 Each time federal officers engage with Antifa. Portland Police Liaison's 2:08:33.840 --> 2:08:37.080 clutch statements and videos from Antifa to facilitate state criminal 2:08:37.160 --> 2:08:41.440 charges against DHS. So somehow, in the year of Our 2:08:41.480 --> 2:08:45.160 Lord twenty twenty five, the Portland Police Bureau is now Antifa, 2:08:45.720 --> 2:08:49.080 which is a truly miraculous state of affairs. After his 2:08:49.440 --> 2:08:54.160 release Friday morning, next Order posted on x quote You've 2:08:54.280 --> 2:08:56.919 proved what we've all been saying for years. You're corrupt 2:08:57.080 --> 2:09:01.200 and controlled by violent Antifa thugs who terrorize the streets. 2:09:01.440 --> 2:09:04.200 Referring to the Portland Police, I have been in direct 2:09:04.280 --> 2:09:07.240 contact with top officials at DHS. What's coming in Portland 2:09:07.520 --> 2:09:11.120 is unprecedented, all thanks to Portland police exposing themselves by 2:09:11.200 --> 2:09:17.120 arresting journalists. Great work, Portland unquote. A day later, on 2:09:17.360 --> 2:09:21.440 October fourth, a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state 2:09:21.520 --> 2:09:24.360 of Oregon and the City of Portland a temporary restraining 2:09:24.440 --> 2:09:28.960 order blocking trumpenheag sess federalization and deployment of two hundred 2:09:29.120 --> 2:09:32.640 organ National Guard against the wishes of Oregon Governor Tina Cotec. 2:09:33.120 --> 2:09:36.520 The judge found that existing local and federal law enforcement 2:09:36.560 --> 2:09:39.720 were sufficient to police protests, that the Trump admin had 2:09:39.800 --> 2:09:42.600 mischaracterized the reality of the current protests outside of the 2:09:42.680 --> 2:09:46.440 ICE facility, and that violence against ICE in other parts 2:09:46.480 --> 2:09:50.320 of the country is not sufficient justification for a local 2:09:50.480 --> 2:09:51.760 military deployment. 2:09:52.040 --> 2:09:55.960 It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immerget number one, not 2:09:56.120 --> 2:09:59.640 a woke judge, was literally if you go back and 2:09:59.760 --> 2:10:03.440 you watched the Monica Lewinsky hearings or the I mean, 2:10:03.480 --> 2:10:05.760 this is the Clinton sex scandal hearings, but this is 2:10:05.840 --> 2:10:08.120 the part of it in which Lewinsky was being grilled. 2:10:08.560 --> 2:10:11.320 Immigrant was the female lawyer that they brought out to 2:10:11.440 --> 2:10:14.480 be incredibly cruel to Monica Lewinsky because it wouldn't look 2:10:14.520 --> 2:10:16.120 as often putting and wound up. 2:10:16.120 --> 2:10:16.640 She wound up. 2:10:16.680 --> 2:10:18.839 Part of why Monica Lewinsky became so is she immigrant 2:10:18.880 --> 2:10:22.560 looked fucking nuts and immigrant is the person who is 2:10:22.600 --> 2:10:24.280 looking at it, who is going through all of the 2:10:24.320 --> 2:10:27.200 claims made by the administration and going there's literally not 2:10:27.280 --> 2:10:30.160 only is there no justification for the deployment of troops 2:10:30.200 --> 2:10:34.640 in Portland, but everyone calling the shots at FPS and 2:10:34.800 --> 2:10:37.720 ICE is like everything's under control, we have no need 2:10:37.800 --> 2:10:40.960 for additional people. Yeah, there's no real danger here, Like 2:10:42.080 --> 2:10:45.240 this is not a leftist judge. This is not a 2:10:45.360 --> 2:10:48.280 judge with a political act to grind. This is a judge. 2:10:48.520 --> 2:10:51.360 But thirty years ago you would have called a far 2:10:51.600 --> 2:10:53.400 right extremist kah. 2:10:53.840 --> 2:10:55.720 I will quote a little bit from her ruling here 2:10:55.840 --> 2:10:59.120 quote to accept the defendants arguments, that's the federal's government 2:10:59.640 --> 2:11:04.720 would see to render meaningless the extraordinary requirements of ten USC. 2:11:05.120 --> 2:11:08.680 One two four six by allowing the president to federalize 2:11:08.800 --> 2:11:11.440 one state's national guard based on the events in a 2:11:11.600 --> 2:11:16.120 different state or mere speculation about future events. In other words, 2:11:16.360 --> 2:11:20.640 violence elsewhere cannot support troop deployments here, and concern about 2:11:20.760 --> 2:11:24.240 hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to 2:11:24.320 --> 2:11:29.080 execute the laws using non military federal law enforcement unquote. 2:11:29.840 --> 2:11:32.760 On the Trump Admin's argument that the presidents authorized to 2:11:32.840 --> 2:11:36.840 federalize state national guard in the case of rebellion or invasion, 2:11:37.200 --> 2:11:42.160 the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires quote, First, 2:11:42.240 --> 2:11:45.760 a rebellion must not only be violent, but also armed. Second, 2:11:45.920 --> 2:11:49.400 a rebellion must be organized. Third, a rebellion must be 2:11:49.520 --> 2:11:52.920 open and avowed. Fourth, rebellion must be against the government 2:11:52.960 --> 2:11:55.440 as a whole, often with the aim of overthrowing the government, 2:11:55.760 --> 2:11:59.360 rather than in opposition to a single law or issue. Here, 2:11:59.520 --> 2:12:02.000 the protest in Portland were not a rebellion and did 2:12:02.040 --> 2:12:05.120 not pose a danger of rebellion, especially in the days 2:12:05.200 --> 2:12:09.680 leading up to the federalization unquote. The judge found that 2:12:09.800 --> 2:12:12.760 the president's federalization of the Organ National Guard without proper 2:12:12.800 --> 2:12:17.040 statutory authority under ten USC. One two four h six, 2:12:17.440 --> 2:12:22.040 exceeded the president's constitutional authority, undermined Organ's sovereignty, and violated 2:12:22.080 --> 2:12:25.040 the Tenth Amendment by infringing on Organ's constitutional power to 2:12:25.080 --> 2:12:27.760 control its own national Guard, writing that the Trump admin 2:12:28.120 --> 2:12:31.680 quote interfered with the constitutional balance of power between the 2:12:31.760 --> 2:12:33.360 federal and state governments. 2:12:33.600 --> 2:12:34.160 Unquote. 2:12:34.920 --> 2:12:36.760 Yeah, is that the one where she she said their 2:12:36.880 --> 2:12:38.960 argument was untethered from the facts. 2:12:39.320 --> 2:12:39.560 Yeah. 2:12:39.840 --> 2:12:42.120 Yeah, I think that was a pretty good, uh good 2:12:42.200 --> 2:12:44.320 summary of what's going on here. 2:12:45.600 --> 2:12:49.080 Later that day, Stephen Miller went on News Nation to 2:12:49.200 --> 2:12:54.240 talk about the quote unquote insurrectionists interesting word in Portland 2:12:54.640 --> 2:12:57.879 and the new National Security presidential memorandum to investigate dismantle 2:12:57.960 --> 2:12:59.920 so called left wing terrorist networks. 2:13:00.560 --> 2:13:02.960 We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate 2:13:03.040 --> 2:13:06.000 a lawless insurrection. We are not going to tolerate domestic terrorism. 2:13:06.360 --> 2:13:09.840 And we are going after the Antifa, rioters, the insurrectionists, 2:13:10.520 --> 2:13:13.000 the violent assaulters, and we are not only going after them, 2:13:13.000 --> 2:13:14.680 we are going after their network. We are going after 2:13:14.760 --> 2:13:17.280 their funders. Every time we make an arrest, we are 2:13:17.320 --> 2:13:22.840 initiating an investigation into the entire domestic terrorist network. The 2:13:22.920 --> 2:13:27.320 President issued a National Security Presidential Memorandum in NSPN making 2:13:27.400 --> 2:13:30.360 clear that it is the national security priority of United 2:13:30.360 --> 2:13:35.080 States law enforcement to dismantle, disrupt, defeat, and destroy these 2:13:35.160 --> 2:13:39.160 domestic terror networks. And that is exactly what is taking place. 2:13:39.280 --> 2:13:41.320 It is what we are doing, it is what will happen. 2:13:42.080 --> 2:13:45.000 His use of the word insurrection there is important. 2:13:45.120 --> 2:13:45.320 Yeah. 2:13:45.320 --> 2:13:49.360 A day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists 2:13:49.800 --> 2:13:53.080 to describe protests in Portland and complain about the federal 2:13:53.160 --> 2:13:55.960 judge who blocked the deployment of National Guard, saying, quote, 2:13:56.200 --> 2:13:59.840 Portland is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. 2:14:00.160 --> 2:14:02.240 All you got to do is look at the television. 2:14:02.560 --> 2:14:05.080 It's burning to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the 2:14:05.120 --> 2:14:08.840 politicians are petrified for their lives. That judge ought to 2:14:08.880 --> 2:14:09.720 be ashamed. 2:14:09.880 --> 2:14:12.600 And again nothing's been burnt down. Nothing was burnt down 2:14:12.640 --> 2:14:15.880 in twenty twenty. Most of the big nights that I 2:14:16.160 --> 2:14:19.160 slately have been maybe two hundred people. You know, You've 2:14:19.200 --> 2:14:21.560 had some more on a few occasions, but like it's 2:14:21.680 --> 2:14:25.320 usually a lot less. It's probably just unnecessary for me 2:14:25.400 --> 2:14:27.560 to correct all this, but I guess I can't fight 2:14:27.600 --> 2:14:29.680 the urge to be like, none of this is accurate 2:14:29.720 --> 2:14:30.400 to what's happening. 2:14:30.760 --> 2:14:34.360 Yeah, yeah, the simulation is more important than the reality. 2:14:34.480 --> 2:14:37.680 Yeah, Miller has done this before, right, Like he kind 2:14:37.680 --> 2:14:40.680 of likes to use these words that exist in legislation 2:14:40.920 --> 2:14:44.000 and sort of point to the direction he wants things 2:14:44.080 --> 2:14:46.480 to go. I guess, yeah, Like he did this by 2:14:46.560 --> 2:14:49.240 calling anti for an enterprise. We sort as to an 2:14:49.240 --> 2:14:52.080 extent with Title forty two and his reference to migrants 2:14:52.120 --> 2:14:54.360 to the public health threat. This is kind of a 2:14:54.840 --> 2:14:55.760 trademark move for him. 2:14:55.800 --> 2:14:59.919 Almost no hours after the federal judge blocked the federalism 2:15:00.240 --> 2:15:04.160 of Oregon National Guard, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered 2:15:04.280 --> 2:15:08.480 three hundred California National Guard to be deployed to Portland. 2:15:08.600 --> 2:15:11.280 In the next day, Texas Governor Greg Abbott authorized four 2:15:11.400 --> 2:15:14.160 hundred Texas National Guard to be sent to Orgon and 2:15:14.400 --> 2:15:18.600 Illinois in coordination with the Department of War. On Sunday night, 2:15:18.640 --> 2:15:21.400 the federal judge that previously blocked the organ National Guard 2:15:21.480 --> 2:15:25.040 federalization made another ruling blocking the deployment of troops from 2:15:25.160 --> 2:15:28.760 California and Texas, finding that it was quote, in direct 2:15:28.920 --> 2:15:34.320 contravention of her earlier tro This secondary toro halted any 2:15:34.440 --> 2:15:39.360 Federalization relocation or deployment of any Guard members to organ 2:15:39.600 --> 2:15:43.480 from any state. The Trump administration has appealed these rulings 2:15:43.560 --> 2:15:47.000 and oral arguments will be heard on Thursday, October ninth 2:15:47.560 --> 2:15:51.040 in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Stephen Miller called 2:15:51.080 --> 2:15:54.000 this ruling quote one of the most egregious and thunderous 2:15:54.080 --> 2:15:57.640 violations of constitutional order we have ever seen, and is 2:15:57.800 --> 2:16:01.400 yet the latest example of unceasing efforts to nullify the 2:16:01.520 --> 2:16:07.240 twenty twenty fourth election by fiacht. By Monday, Miller told reporters, 2:16:07.280 --> 2:16:10.320 without going to specifics, that the president quote has a 2:16:10.480 --> 2:16:13.280 very broad range and set of authorities when it comes 2:16:13.320 --> 2:16:15.000 to deploying federal assets. 2:16:15.480 --> 2:16:15.800 Quote. 2:16:16.640 --> 2:16:21.200 That same day, Monday, Trump discussed the possibility of invoking 2:16:21.280 --> 2:16:24.440 the Insurrection Act in a White House press conference. 2:16:25.720 --> 2:16:26.960 The Insurrection Act. 2:16:26.880 --> 2:16:29.840 Sir, what the Insurrection Act under what conditions or terms 2:16:29.840 --> 2:16:30.120 would you? 2:16:30.360 --> 2:16:32.240 Well, I do it if it was necessary. So far 2:16:32.280 --> 2:16:35.000 it hasn't been necessary. But we have an Insurrection Act 2:16:35.040 --> 2:16:37.800 for a reason. If I had to enacted, I'd do 2:16:37.920 --> 2:16:41.800 that if people were being killed and courts were holding 2:16:41.920 --> 2:16:44.840 us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up. 2:16:45.320 --> 2:16:46.080 Sure I do that. 2:16:46.200 --> 2:16:48.199 I mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed. 2:16:48.560 --> 2:16:50.760 We have to make sure that our cities are safe. 2:16:51.640 --> 2:16:55.720 And it's turning out, and we started with DC it's 2:16:55.800 --> 2:16:58.920 been so successful. You look at what's happened with Portland 2:16:58.959 --> 2:17:03.240 over the years. It's a burning hell hall. And then 2:17:03.320 --> 2:17:08.720 you have a judge that lost a way, that tries 2:17:08.800 --> 2:17:12.760 to pretend that there's no problem. Actually she's not even 2:17:12.840 --> 2:17:15.600 saying that there's a huge problem. Important. I'll tell you 2:17:15.680 --> 2:17:16.400 what the problem is. 2:17:16.600 --> 2:17:16.920 Crime. 2:17:17.480 --> 2:17:21.760 Okay, crime. There's a huge problem in Chicago. It's called crime. 2:17:22.640 --> 2:17:24.520 And we want to put out the crime, and they 2:17:24.600 --> 2:17:25.640 want to inflame the crime. 2:17:26.959 --> 2:17:27.480 Oooo. 2:17:28.160 --> 2:17:31.440 Sure, that's the clearest statement we've gotten from the President 2:17:31.720 --> 2:17:36.080 on the conditions in which he would invoke the Insurrection Act. 2:17:36.120 --> 2:17:39.960 I think, specifically pointing towards governors, mayors or courts that 2:17:40.760 --> 2:17:46.160 prevent ice from completing immigration actions in those cities and counties. 2:17:46.879 --> 2:17:48.600 Yeah, and that's the thing that we've gotten for him. 2:17:48.600 --> 2:17:52.280 That's the most specific indication of things that are happening 2:17:53.200 --> 2:17:55.280 right now that could cause him to do it. We 2:17:55.320 --> 2:17:57.120 still don't have a direct I'm going to do it, 2:17:57.400 --> 2:18:00.120 but I think it's pretty clear from this that he 2:18:00.560 --> 2:18:03.840 wants to these people in circles. I'm talking about wanting 2:18:03.879 --> 2:18:05.160 to do it for a long time, and I think 2:18:05.200 --> 2:18:07.400 this is in some ways the closest we've gotten to it. 2:18:07.959 --> 2:18:09.920 Yeah, and that's why you have people like Miller and 2:18:10.400 --> 2:18:14.440 Trump himself using the word insurrection when describing what's happening, 2:18:14.920 --> 2:18:18.560 to establish a pretext to actually follow through on that 2:18:18.760 --> 2:18:21.040 and declare the Insurrection Act when it suits them. 2:18:21.520 --> 2:18:21.760 Yeah. 2:18:21.879 --> 2:18:24.440 I think it's worth noting Mellos doing Miller is often 2:18:24.520 --> 2:18:27.640 the originator of many of these kind of legal theories. 2:18:28.600 --> 2:18:30.040 This one has made its way to Trump. 2:18:30.800 --> 2:18:33.440 I'm going to declare an ad break and then we 2:18:33.480 --> 2:18:49.680 will return to finish our reporting on war ravage Portland. Okay, 2:18:49.800 --> 2:18:55.520 we are back. DHS Secretary Christy Nome has made some 2:18:56.640 --> 2:19:01.120 pretty fantastic claims about the nature of these protests and 2:19:01.160 --> 2:19:05.280 the threats facing ICE agents both in Chicago and Portland. 2:19:05.680 --> 2:19:08.040 And I'm just going to play her clip from Fox 2:19:08.160 --> 2:19:10.920 News here talking about the threats to ICE. 2:19:11.760 --> 2:19:15.400 Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized. They're getting 2:19:15.440 --> 2:19:18.000 more and more people on their team as far as 2:19:18.080 --> 2:19:21.160 attacking officers, and they're making plans to ambush them and 2:19:21.320 --> 2:19:24.560 to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that 2:19:24.680 --> 2:19:26.600 have bounties that have been put out on their heads. 2:19:27.080 --> 2:19:29.760 It's been two thousand dollars to kidnap them, ten thousand 2:19:29.800 --> 2:19:32.640 dollars to kill them. They've released their pictures, they've sent 2:19:32.760 --> 2:19:36.560 them between their networks, and it's an extremely dangerous situation 2:19:36.760 --> 2:19:40.840 and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals, 2:19:40.959 --> 2:19:43.520 change some of our operations to keep our officers safe. 2:19:43.600 --> 2:19:47.240 But make no mistake, this isn't just about protesting free 2:19:47.280 --> 2:19:50.040 speech or that they don't like that people out here 2:19:50.080 --> 2:19:53.560 are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going 2:19:53.640 --> 2:19:56.520 out there and saying, kill these people, and we'll give 2:19:56.560 --> 2:19:57.680 you this much money to do it. 2:19:58.720 --> 2:19:59.920 It's quite a specific claim. 2:20:00.040 --> 2:20:05.400 Miss What she's doing there is conflating alleged cartel bounties 2:20:05.640 --> 2:20:10.480 on ICE agents with protests happening outside of ICE facilities, 2:20:10.560 --> 2:20:13.760 making it sound like the protesters are putting ten thousand 2:20:13.840 --> 2:20:17.440 dollars kill bounties on ICE officers. 2:20:18.280 --> 2:20:20.760 Man, let me tell you, nobody who's out at ICE 2:20:20.879 --> 2:20:25.080 right now has collectively ten grand to put towards a bounty. 2:20:26.400 --> 2:20:28.280 Yeah, what are we doing here? 2:20:30.560 --> 2:20:36.960 On Tuesday, October seventh, Christinome arrived in Portland, Oregon, along 2:20:37.040 --> 2:20:40.400 with her conservative podcaster sidekick Benny Johnson, who has been 2:20:40.440 --> 2:20:44.880 live streaming ICE operations in Chicago with Nome. Benny posted 2:20:44.920 --> 2:20:49.320 on x Everything app breaking DH Secretary Christinomes stares down 2:20:49.959 --> 2:20:53.640 army of Antifa and a guy in a chicken suit 2:20:53.760 --> 2:20:57.439 from the rooftop of the ice facility here in Portland. 2:20:57.600 --> 2:20:59.920 Finally someone took that chicken guy down to size. 2:21:00.240 --> 2:21:02.240 I want to play the video that I think one 2:21:02.240 --> 2:21:04.440 of us should like set this stage for what we're seeing. 2:21:05.440 --> 2:21:08.240 Secretary, do you have a message to the protesters, especially 2:21:08.240 --> 2:21:09.240 the man in the chicken outfit? 2:21:10.040 --> 2:21:11.120 Man in the chicken outfit, I. 2:21:11.280 --> 2:21:12.000 Just see him now. 2:21:12.160 --> 2:21:17.480 Goodness, you can do better. Our goal is that people 2:21:17.560 --> 2:21:20.600 would peacefully protest, but that we would still be allowed 2:21:20.640 --> 2:21:22.000 to en first law in this country. 2:21:22.160 --> 2:21:24.200 So it's too bad. 2:21:24.240 --> 2:21:25.920 They're uneducated and elanformed. 2:21:27.360 --> 2:21:30.560 If you look at this protest, there's about what twenty 2:21:30.680 --> 2:21:34.920 people on the street corner adjacent to the ice facility, 2:21:35.640 --> 2:21:39.800 nearly as many journalists and photographers as there are protesters. 2:21:39.879 --> 2:21:42.400 And this is what Bennie Johnson is describing as an 2:21:42.600 --> 2:21:47.640 army of Antifa, is these twenty people holding signs across 2:21:47.720 --> 2:21:50.240 from like a police line on the edge of the 2:21:50.320 --> 2:21:53.600 ice facility. At a later point, Benny zooms into another 2:21:53.640 --> 2:21:58.120 street corner which similarly has about a dozen people over 2:21:58.240 --> 2:22:01.040 a one block away from the ice. This is the 2:22:01.160 --> 2:22:06.200 army of Antifa that Benny Johnson is referring to as he, 2:22:06.440 --> 2:22:10.199 along with Nick Sorder, stand with Christinome on the roof 2:22:10.280 --> 2:22:13.960 of the ice facility, surveying the area. Which is just 2:22:14.080 --> 2:22:17.920 a fantastical sequence of events. We time traveled and told 2:22:18.000 --> 2:22:21.440 me that five years ago that Christy Nome and Betty 2:22:21.520 --> 2:22:22.840 Johnson are going to be on the roof of the 2:22:22.879 --> 2:22:25.640 ice facility calling a man in a chicken outfit an 2:22:25.760 --> 2:22:28.040 army of Antifa. I guess I could believe you, but 2:22:28.120 --> 2:22:30.400 it would still I guess it would still be upsetting it. 2:22:31.000 --> 2:22:33.800 I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't 2:22:33.840 --> 2:22:35.520 like argue with you. I'd be like, yeah, I mean 2:22:35.640 --> 2:22:38.160 that sounds like a natural extension of where things are 2:22:38.320 --> 2:22:39.400 at this point in time. 2:22:40.080 --> 2:22:43.720 On Tuesday night, Nome went on Fox News to talk 2:22:43.760 --> 2:22:46.160 about a meeting she had with local law enforcement and 2:22:46.320 --> 2:22:50.200 the mayor where she threatened to send four times as 2:22:50.280 --> 2:22:53.160 many federal forces into Portland, Oregon. 2:22:53.560 --> 2:22:55.600 Sure Man, I told them what we wanted. 2:22:55.680 --> 2:22:58.000 We wanted more security here at the building, a bigger 2:22:58.040 --> 2:23:00.440 buffer zone to keep our officers safe. We wanted to 2:23:00.800 --> 2:23:02.760 have their streets opened up again and not let the 2:23:02.800 --> 2:23:06.119 anarchists run this city anymore. That we would ask them 2:23:06.200 --> 2:23:09.440 to continue to back us up like we've been asking for, 2:23:09.600 --> 2:23:11.800 instead of what they've been doing the last several months, 2:23:11.840 --> 2:23:13.760 which is just leaving our officers hang. 2:23:13.720 --> 2:23:14.240 Out to dry. 2:23:15.040 --> 2:23:17.120 The chief asked if I wanted to meet with the mayor, 2:23:17.160 --> 2:23:19.680 and I said absolutely. Came back and just met with 2:23:19.760 --> 2:23:23.240 a mayor, and I'm so extremely disappointed he's continuing to 2:23:23.280 --> 2:23:26.800 play politics. Did not commit to any of those promises 2:23:26.959 --> 2:23:29.120 and said that he'd give me an answer by tomorrow, 2:23:29.680 --> 2:23:31.760 and I'm hopeful that he will. What I told him 2:23:31.840 --> 2:23:33.560 is that if he did not follow through on some 2:23:33.680 --> 2:23:36.440 of these security measures for our officers. We were going 2:23:36.520 --> 2:23:39.360 to cover him up with more federal resources, and that 2:23:39.480 --> 2:23:41.400 we were going to send four times the amount of 2:23:41.440 --> 2:23:44.360 federal officers here so that the people of Portland could 2:23:44.400 --> 2:23:45.160 have some safety. 2:23:45.879 --> 2:23:52.600 Again, almost no one's even there. I can't exaggerate the 2:23:52.680 --> 2:23:55.840 degree to which this is not a major factor in 2:23:56.160 --> 2:23:58.960 ninety nine percent of people's day to day because number one, 2:23:59.400 --> 2:24:02.240 where the ice facility is is cordoned off from the 2:24:02.320 --> 2:24:05.959 rest of the city like pretty isolated chunk. It's isolated, 2:24:06.040 --> 2:24:09.199 you might say. And number two, just like most people 2:24:09.280 --> 2:24:12.640 that I know who were out in twenty twenty don't 2:24:12.680 --> 2:24:15.040 really have a clear idea of what they should be 2:24:15.200 --> 2:24:17.360 doing right now or what the most useful thing to 2:24:17.440 --> 2:24:20.400 do is right now, and have spent a lot of 2:24:20.520 --> 2:24:24.680 time in front of federal riot lines and aren't right now. 2:24:25.040 --> 2:24:29.600 And like it's this complete disconnect between what's actually going 2:24:29.680 --> 2:24:32.959 on in the city and like what's what's being reported, 2:24:32.959 --> 2:24:36.160 which doesn't matter really, Like it doesn't impact anything. That 2:24:36.240 --> 2:24:39.160 everything they're saying is a lie, yeah, because their people 2:24:39.280 --> 2:24:39.640 believe it. 2:24:39.920 --> 2:24:42.960 It's just kind of frustrating now and this information is 2:24:43.000 --> 2:24:46.400 all into tro document that blocked the deployment of National 2:24:46.480 --> 2:24:51.200 Guard quote. Plaintiffs provided all of the PPB call logs 2:24:51.360 --> 2:24:53.520 in the month of September, which showed that Portland Place 2:24:53.600 --> 2:24:57.560 Bureau worked in close coordination with Federal Protective Service supervisors 2:24:57.840 --> 2:25:01.000 and regularly checked the status of the ICE facility as 2:25:01.080 --> 2:25:04.120 detailed above. They also showed that protest activity in September 2:25:04.280 --> 2:25:07.240 generally did not involve the violence against federal property or 2:25:07.320 --> 2:25:11.000 personnel unquote. Where the police Bureau have been working in 2:25:11.120 --> 2:25:13.840 coordination to manage the protests outside the ICE building, They've 2:25:13.879 --> 2:25:18.640 not abandoned ICE officers. That's not actually what's happening. A 2:25:18.720 --> 2:25:20.959 federal judge is deemed that local law enforcement are more 2:25:21.000 --> 2:25:24.840 than sufficient to handle the protests outside of the ICE facility. 2:25:25.480 --> 2:25:28.200 The Trump government just really wants to send the military 2:25:28.400 --> 2:25:31.280 into cities, as they've already done with d C, as 2:25:31.320 --> 2:25:34.520 they were wanting to do with Memphis, Chicago, Portland eventually 2:25:34.840 --> 2:25:37.000 like New Orleans. This is just something that they really 2:25:37.120 --> 2:25:41.160 want to do. On Tuesday, October seventh, Texas National Guard 2:25:41.360 --> 2:25:44.840 arrived in Illinois and are currently stationed at an Army 2:25:44.920 --> 2:25:49.440 reserve center in a suburb south of Chicago. Sunday night, 2:25:49.560 --> 2:25:53.560 Governor Pritzker made a statement reading, quote, this evening, President 2:25:53.640 --> 2:25:56.039 Trump is ordering four hundred members of the Texas National 2:25:56.080 --> 2:25:59.200 Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and other locations within 2:25:59.240 --> 2:26:02.040 the United States. We must now start calling this what 2:26:02.200 --> 2:26:04.800 it is, Trump's invasion. It started with federal agents, will 2:26:04.840 --> 2:26:07.600 soon include deploying federalized members of the Illinois National Guard 2:26:07.600 --> 2:26:10.040 against our wishes, and it will now involve sending in 2:26:10.200 --> 2:26:13.720 another state's military troops. There is no reason a president 2:26:13.760 --> 2:26:16.920 should send military troops into a sovereign state without their knowledge, consent, 2:26:17.120 --> 2:26:18.000 or cooperation. 2:26:19.120 --> 2:26:19.600 Unquote. 2:26:20.480 --> 2:26:22.280 The state of Illinois announced that they would be seeking 2:26:22.280 --> 2:26:26.240 their own tro against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney 2:26:26.400 --> 2:26:29.440 General said in a statement quote, the American people, regardless 2:26:29.520 --> 2:26:31.200 of where they reside, should not live under the threat 2:26:31.240 --> 2:26:34.480 of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the 2:26:34.560 --> 2:26:37.879 reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out 2:26:38.080 --> 2:26:42.520 of a president's favor. And on Monday, Chicago Mayor Brandon 2:26:42.560 --> 2:26:45.800 Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling 2:26:45.879 --> 2:26:50.240 private businesses as ice free zones and discuss the deployment 2:26:50.400 --> 2:26:53.360 of troops from out of state by warning quote the 2:26:53.480 --> 2:26:56.000 right wing in this country wants a rematch of the 2:26:56.120 --> 2:26:59.680 Civil War unquote. Yeah, and so we have a kind 2:26:59.680 --> 2:27:02.240 of news update, which is so this is being recorded 2:27:02.440 --> 2:27:06.520 on Wednesday, October eighth. It's possible this will again change 2:27:06.560 --> 2:27:08.440 by the time this comes out. The most recent information 2:27:08.560 --> 2:27:11.280 we have is and this is supported by CBS per 2:27:11.360 --> 2:27:15.640 a statement from US Northern Command, which is part of 2:27:15.680 --> 2:27:19.560 the Defense Department's War Department. But yes, they're sitting five 2:27:19.680 --> 2:27:24.320 hundred troops. I'm just going to read the direct quote Illinois, 2:27:24.360 --> 2:27:27.320 approximately two hundred soldiers from various units of the Texas 2:27:27.400 --> 2:27:30.480 National Guard and approximately three hundred soldiers from various units 2:27:30.480 --> 2:27:32.920 of the Illinois National Guard were activated into a Title 2:27:33.000 --> 2:27:35.560 ten status and have arrived in the Greater Chicago area. 2:27:36.280 --> 2:27:38.840 National Guard re mobilized for an initial period of sixty days, 2:27:38.879 --> 2:27:41.080 will be under the command and control of the commander 2:27:41.120 --> 2:27:45.240 of US Northern Command. So that's where we are right now. Yeah, 2:27:45.440 --> 2:27:48.800 there is out of state Guard deployed into Illinois, like 2:27:48.879 --> 2:27:51.720 they are in this borders of the state right now. 2:27:52.240 --> 2:27:54.840 When Haiggs has tried to deployed California National Guard to Oregon, 2:27:54.920 --> 2:27:57.600 it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon, 2:27:58.040 --> 2:28:01.240 but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard 2:28:01.720 --> 2:28:04.000 in the borders of Illinois. 2:28:04.280 --> 2:28:04.440 YEP. 2:28:05.280 --> 2:28:10.280 This morning, Donald Trump truthed on truth Social that quote, 2:28:10.560 --> 2:28:13.560 Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect 2:28:13.600 --> 2:28:17.160 ICE officers. Governor Pritzker also unquote, is that the President 2:28:17.200 --> 2:28:19.640 of the United States calling for the jailing of a 2:28:20.000 --> 2:28:21.320 mayor and governor. 2:28:21.520 --> 2:28:24.720 Yeah, he's also more recently calling for the jailing of 2:28:24.840 --> 2:28:27.640 everyone who burns American flags and a anim of a 2:28:27.720 --> 2:28:31.840 year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear. 2:28:31.959 --> 2:28:34.000 There's not a legal underpinning for that, other than he's 2:28:34.040 --> 2:28:36.640 instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks. 2:28:36.720 --> 2:28:39.320 But yeah, this is just words that he's saying. 2:28:39.440 --> 2:28:41.800 But I think the words that he's saying are sometimes 2:28:41.959 --> 2:28:43.920 not always, but sometimes important. 2:28:44.200 --> 2:28:44.400 Yeah. 2:28:45.680 --> 2:28:48.800 Yeah, So I want to turn from here to the 2:28:49.000 --> 2:28:52.160 other occupation of Chicago, the one that has been doing 2:28:52.160 --> 2:28:54.800 significant damage already in the city as we have been covering, 2:28:54.840 --> 2:29:00.800 which is the Ice and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago. 2:29:01.760 --> 2:29:06.000 There's been more escalations that we are going to spend 2:29:06.080 --> 2:29:08.480 a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun 2:29:09.680 --> 2:29:14.200 detaining unhoused people. We have reports of eleven total people 2:29:14.320 --> 2:29:17.160 they've detained so far. Most of them have been released. 2:29:17.879 --> 2:29:19.920 But the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon 2:29:19.959 --> 2:29:22.680 Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was for people who 2:29:22.760 --> 2:29:27.080 were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview, who were outside 2:29:27.080 --> 2:29:29.680 a shelter. According to the Chicago Reader, we don't know 2:29:29.760 --> 2:29:33.240 where they are Jesus as if when say they're just gone, 2:29:34.320 --> 2:29:37.280 no one, no one has been able to trace them down. Yeah, 2:29:37.280 --> 2:29:40.720 and this seems to be part of a broader trend 2:29:41.240 --> 2:29:47.119 of ICE agents taking action against people who I mean 2:29:47.800 --> 2:29:52.240 appeared to be US citizens. We saw this a couple 2:29:52.320 --> 2:29:55.000 like last week with and this is another thing that 2:29:55.040 --> 2:29:57.960 Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned with him with ICE agents just 2:29:58.120 --> 2:30:01.520 choking a black man out on the street. The major 2:30:01.600 --> 2:30:04.760 story is that there has been a second shooting by 2:30:04.959 --> 2:30:09.440 ICE in Chicago on What we know for sure about 2:30:09.520 --> 2:30:11.959 this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE agent 2:30:12.040 --> 2:30:16.880 shot a woman named Merrimar Martinez, who appeared to have 2:30:16.920 --> 2:30:19.320 been part of a group that was following ICE vehicles 2:30:19.360 --> 2:30:23.920 around the city. Martinez was shot and drove herself to 2:30:24.000 --> 2:30:26.320 a nearby auto repair shop, where a medics and police 2:30:26.440 --> 2:30:31.000 showed up. I'm going to read the Sun Times' account 2:30:31.120 --> 2:30:35.560 from the shop managers who they spoke to of what 2:30:35.840 --> 2:30:39.640 happened when she got to the body shop. Quote, the 2:30:39.680 --> 2:30:41.959 shop manager spoke with a nine to one one operator 2:30:42.040 --> 2:30:45.320 and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely. 2:30:45.400 --> 2:30:48.360 I mean it was instant puddles. Police and paramedic showed 2:30:48.400 --> 2:30:50.920 up a few minutes later, he said. As paramedics place 2:30:50.959 --> 2:30:54.480 a turnquit on Martinez's leg and arm, a bullet fell 2:30:54.520 --> 2:30:56.440 out of her arm and onto the shop floor. The 2:30:56.560 --> 2:31:01.080 manager said, Martinez thankfully does not seem to have been 2:31:01.200 --> 2:31:04.640 really really severely injured. She is like she is enabled 2:31:04.720 --> 2:31:09.560 medical condition. Now, EHS put out a press release almost 2:31:09.600 --> 2:31:13.000 immediately claiming that their agents who were quote ambushed by 2:31:13.080 --> 2:31:17.000 domestic terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and 2:31:17.160 --> 2:31:20.160 that quote Nortinez, woman they shot was quote aren't with 2:31:20.240 --> 2:31:24.840 a semiongmatic weapon and has a history of docsing federal agents. Now, 2:31:25.000 --> 2:31:28.080 it is worth noting that best practice when looking at 2:31:28.120 --> 2:31:31.400 Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under Trump administration, is 2:31:31.440 --> 2:31:33.840 too simply assume that they are not telling the truth 2:31:33.959 --> 2:31:38.520 until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What the 2:31:38.640 --> 2:31:45.720 exact situation was before the shooting is very unclear. Both 2:31:46.120 --> 2:31:50.200 Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed that 2:31:50.760 --> 2:31:53.920 a group of cars basically boxed in an ice vehicle, 2:31:54.800 --> 2:31:56.879 and their repeated claims that they were ramming the ice 2:31:56.959 --> 2:31:59.959 vehicle and then that's why the ice agent opened fire. 2:32:00.400 --> 2:32:02.640 That's the DHS's claims. Yeah, yeah, this is this is 2:32:02.680 --> 2:32:04.400 the DHS's claims, and these are the claims that are 2:32:04.480 --> 2:32:07.240 made in court documents. I want to read from the 2:32:07.320 --> 2:32:12.840 Sun Times also Martinez's lawyer's description of what's going on, 2:32:13.280 --> 2:32:16.800 because it is significantly different from the government's account. And 2:32:17.040 --> 2:32:19.560 it's also it's also worth mentioning that there's already been 2:32:20.600 --> 2:32:24.920 some deviation between the court documents and the DHS statement. 2:32:24.959 --> 2:32:27.520 For example, the court the DHS statement mentions a semi 2:32:27.560 --> 2:32:30.920 automatic weapon, and there's just simply no mention of that 2:32:31.280 --> 2:32:34.440 in like in any of the sort of charging documents. 2:32:34.560 --> 2:32:36.280 The deadly weapon that she's being accused of doing an 2:32:36.280 --> 2:32:38.680 assault with, which is what she's been charged with, is 2:32:38.760 --> 2:32:42.119 the car. Yeah. So here's here's from the Sun Times. 2:32:42.480 --> 2:32:45.800 So PARENTI, who is her attorney. Parenti also offered to 2:32:45.920 --> 2:32:50.039 play an agent's body cam video that shows the shooting, 2:32:50.240 --> 2:32:52.840 noting prosecutors did not show the video that he claims 2:32:52.879 --> 2:32:56.000 disputes the government's version of the shooting. Parente said the 2:32:56.120 --> 2:32:59.720 video shows an agent turning a federal vehicle left into 2:32:59.840 --> 2:33:04.720 her Tina's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote, do something, bitch. 2:33:05.240 --> 2:33:08.880 The agent then exits the vehicle and shoots Martinez. The 2:33:08.959 --> 2:33:12.160 attorney said Martinez had quote seven holes in her from 2:33:12.240 --> 2:33:14.080 the shooting, and that agents were in such a hurry 2:33:14.120 --> 2:33:16.840 to take her into custody at the hospital that they 2:33:16.879 --> 2:33:22.920 had to return later when Martinez began bleeding from her wounds. Yeah. Yeah, 2:33:23.480 --> 2:33:27.160 so this is a significantly different portrayal of the shooting. 2:33:27.280 --> 2:33:30.040 We do not have access to this bodycam footage yet 2:33:30.120 --> 2:33:33.240 it has not been released to the public. There is 2:33:33.320 --> 2:33:35.440 a video that we do have that does not show 2:33:35.520 --> 2:33:37.440 the shooting, that shows some of the stuff leading up 2:33:37.480 --> 2:33:41.240 to the shooting, from that sort of audi repair shop 2:33:41.320 --> 2:33:45.280 that she went to. It is still very unclear what 2:33:45.879 --> 2:33:48.400 exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot 2:33:48.440 --> 2:33:51.440 this woman. That's the only thing that we one percent know. 2:33:52.200 --> 2:33:55.320 She does have a concealed terry license and had a 2:33:55.480 --> 2:33:59.560 handgun in the car with her. Yeah, the lawyers have 2:33:59.600 --> 2:34:01.760 claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in 2:34:01.800 --> 2:34:02.920 the passenger seat. 2:34:02.800 --> 2:34:06.560 And there's no evidence that she did brandish the No, no, no. 2:34:07.280 --> 2:34:09.640 Nor is Ice even claiming that, like like, Ice isn't 2:34:09.640 --> 2:34:12.200 even claiming that she brandished weapon. Ice isn't claiming that 2:34:12.280 --> 2:34:13.039 she fired a weapon. 2:34:13.200 --> 2:34:15.760 No ice specific claim is that when she was arrested later, 2:34:16.000 --> 2:34:18.600 she had the weapon on her, which could refer to 2:34:18.600 --> 2:34:19.520 the vehicle or whatever. 2:34:20.120 --> 2:34:23.560 Yeah. Well, and I will say so. The initial Department 2:34:23.560 --> 2:34:27.039 of Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with. Correct, 2:34:27.320 --> 2:34:29.720 Semiana had weapon. I think a lot of people took 2:34:29.840 --> 2:34:33.480 that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying stuff 2:34:33.560 --> 2:34:35.400 by saying that she was armed with even though she 2:34:35.520 --> 2:34:35.840 was not. 2:34:36.400 --> 2:34:39.959 They're inhabiting the ambiguity of the right, Like yeah, right. 2:34:40.200 --> 2:34:43.120 They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you 2:34:43.240 --> 2:34:46.480 infer that this person may have fired at Ice. Yeah, 2:34:46.480 --> 2:34:48.840 even though DTS has never actually claimed that, they are 2:34:48.879 --> 2:34:52.480 trying to selectively use words to make people infer things 2:34:52.520 --> 2:34:54.320 that they're not even actually explicitly claiming. 2:34:55.000 --> 2:34:59.000 Yeah, yeah, and we're going to have to get more 2:34:59.040 --> 2:35:02.480 details when we're going to have wait to see exactly 2:35:02.600 --> 2:35:07.120 what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is 2:35:07.200 --> 2:35:11.320 that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work 2:35:12.080 --> 2:35:15.959 and it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely 2:35:16.000 --> 2:35:19.600 injured or killed. And this is again the second time 2:35:19.680 --> 2:35:23.400 they have done this since ICE's deployment in the city. 2:35:23.440 --> 2:35:26.119 The first time they did just straight up kill a man. 2:35:26.680 --> 2:35:30.320 So we'll be following the story as as it develops, 2:35:30.320 --> 2:35:33.000 and we'll be following the continued actions of ICE in 2:35:33.160 --> 2:35:38.760 Chicago and other places. Yeah, and we will continue to 2:35:39.920 --> 2:35:41.880 talk about stuff after these ads. 2:35:54.600 --> 2:35:58.440 All right, and we are back MEI was talking about 2:35:58.480 --> 2:36:00.800 rapid responders here, and I want to talk a little 2:36:00.840 --> 2:36:03.160 bit about one of the tools that they were using, 2:36:03.600 --> 2:36:06.960 which was called People Over Papers. There are many of 2:36:07.040 --> 2:36:10.960 these apps that have sprung up since the January of 2:36:11.000 --> 2:36:14.320 this year, rate since we saw much more visible immigration 2:36:14.480 --> 2:36:18.440 enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was the I guess 2:36:18.520 --> 2:36:22.520 bulletin board type service that was People over Papers relied on, 2:36:23.160 --> 2:36:27.080 has removed People over Papers right say it violated their 2:36:27.160 --> 2:36:30.160 terms of service. The removal comes just a few days 2:36:30.160 --> 2:36:33.720 after a Laura Luma tweet, which tag the CEO claimed 2:36:33.760 --> 2:36:36.320 that People over Papers was violating the terms of service 2:36:36.440 --> 2:36:41.200 by quote harassment, stalking, privacy violations, inciting violence, and other 2:36:41.440 --> 2:36:46.360 unlawful activity. Luma, there is noting things in the terms 2:36:46.400 --> 2:36:50.200 of service she perceives people to be doing with People 2:36:50.280 --> 2:36:54.040 over Papers right. This has happened after another of these apps, 2:36:54.120 --> 2:36:57.280 ice Block, was removed from app stores last week, also 2:36:57.360 --> 2:37:02.360 involved some LUMA posting to Blee. Tricia McLachlin, the DHS 2:37:02.400 --> 2:37:06.120 Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, has claimed and this is 2:37:06.200 --> 2:37:09.039 in contravention of what's widely held to be caught precedent 2:37:09.120 --> 2:37:12.560 and the Lord. She has claimed that videotaping ice agents 2:37:12.800 --> 2:37:17.680 is doxing them, and separately, Christie nom has claimed that 2:37:17.920 --> 2:37:22.040 doxing is an act of violence. We can join the 2:37:22.160 --> 2:37:25.920 two dots there in videotaping ice agents is an act 2:37:26.000 --> 2:37:29.080 of violence seems to be what's being suggested here. We 2:37:29.240 --> 2:37:32.480 can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation 2:37:32.520 --> 2:37:37.280 of Atlanta area report to Mario. Mario was held for 2:37:37.400 --> 2:37:41.600 more than one hundred days in detention. He was arrested 2:37:41.640 --> 2:37:44.080 a No Kings Day protest. If you can remember back 2:37:44.120 --> 2:37:46.800 when people were doing those things, but the charges against 2:37:46.879 --> 2:37:50.120 him were dropped. However, since then the government has argued 2:37:50.120 --> 2:37:53.680 that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat to 2:37:53.879 --> 2:37:58.440 public safety. Mara has now been deported back to El Salvador. 2:37:59.080 --> 2:38:03.960 He's an Atlanta reporter and like I guess to editorialize, 2:38:03.959 --> 2:38:05.600 it would be really nice to see a fraction of 2:38:05.640 --> 2:38:08.480 the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel as someone who's 2:38:08.640 --> 2:38:11.640 actually doing reporting right, not just trying to be funny. 2:38:11.959 --> 2:38:14.000 He's not as big as Jimmy Kimmel. There's never as 2:38:14.000 --> 2:38:14.640 any followers. 2:38:15.080 --> 2:38:19.000 Yeah, yeah, but he's also been sent to El Salvador, 2:38:19.360 --> 2:38:22.320 whereas Jimmy Kimmel was sent back to his mansion in 2:38:22.400 --> 2:38:25.800 Hollie What eggs, Yeah, exactly for like less than a week. 2:38:26.320 --> 2:38:30.280 So I'm going to link in the show notes both 2:38:30.400 --> 2:38:32.840 to an abvacy campaign and the freem of the Press 2:38:32.959 --> 2:38:37.240 Foundation piece about Mario, and you guys can can check 2:38:37.280 --> 2:38:40.120 that out if you'd like to. Second character for this 2:38:40.280 --> 2:38:45.760 week is Tom Hohman. You guys will remember Tom Horman Bordizar, 2:38:46.760 --> 2:38:52.039 a guy who famously, well relatively recently, has become famous 2:38:52.280 --> 2:38:56.160 for scenically accepting a bag with fifty thousand dollars of 2:38:56.320 --> 2:39:01.000 cash in it in an FBI sting operation. Let's play 2:39:01.080 --> 2:39:05.920 this clip of Pam Bondy, who is answering questions in 2:39:06.000 --> 2:39:08.800 front of Congress here about what happened to the literal 2:39:08.840 --> 2:39:09.520 bag of cash? 2:39:10.240 --> 2:39:12.400 What became of the. 2:39:14.040 --> 2:39:19.680 Fifty thousand dollars in cash that the FBI paid to 2:39:20.920 --> 2:39:29.440 mister Homan in a paper bag? Evidently, Oh my. 2:39:29.520 --> 2:39:31.080 God, Tom and Jerry asked shit. 2:39:32.360 --> 2:39:34.800 She's looking through her notes right now, she's selected the. 2:39:34.800 --> 2:39:36.600 Page, Senator. 2:39:36.800 --> 2:39:41.120 As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated, the investigation 2:39:41.280 --> 2:39:43.680 of mister Homan was subjected to a full review by 2:39:43.720 --> 2:39:49.039 the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible 2:39:49.120 --> 2:39:51.440 evidence of any wrongdoing, and. 2:39:51.560 --> 2:39:55.320 That was not my question. My question was what became 2:39:55.520 --> 2:39:59.920 of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that the FBI delivered, 2:40:00.240 --> 2:40:02.800 evidently in a paper bag to mister Homan. 2:40:04.080 --> 2:40:05.440 Senator, I look at your facts. 2:40:10.160 --> 2:40:12.280 Are you saying that they did not deliver fifty thousand 2:40:12.280 --> 2:40:13.440 dollars in cash to mister Home? 2:40:13.480 --> 2:40:17.160 Senitor as recently stated, the investigation of mister Homan was 2:40:17.240 --> 2:40:18.720 subjected to a full. 2:40:19.160 --> 2:40:22.440 Question by the FBI agent that's by. 2:40:22.480 --> 2:40:28.039 Department of Justice prosecutors. They found no evidence of wrongdoing. 2:40:28.360 --> 2:40:31.960 That's a different question. What became of the fifty thousand dollars? 2:40:33.240 --> 2:40:34.400 Did the FBI get it back? 2:40:35.400 --> 2:40:38.440 Mister white House? Excuse me, Senator white House, You're welcome 2:40:38.520 --> 2:40:39.039 to talk to the. 2:40:39.120 --> 2:40:41.240 FBI the report to you. 2:40:41.440 --> 2:40:42.640 Can't you answer this question? 2:40:43.400 --> 2:40:48.400 First of all, this guy's name is mister Whitehouse. Senator 2:40:48.480 --> 2:40:52.279 white House, Charrison. That surely is a little confuser. 2:40:53.760 --> 2:40:57.520 Yeah, maybe against some emails for a wrong person. Sheldon 2:40:57.560 --> 2:40:59.080 Whitehouse apparentes. 2:40:59.280 --> 2:41:01.760 Theoretically, if he had a job for the administration, his 2:41:01.879 --> 2:41:04.039 email will be white House at white House dot gov. 2:41:04.520 --> 2:41:05.560 Yes, that's cool. 2:41:05.680 --> 2:41:09.520 Yeah, Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen, 2:41:09.600 --> 2:41:12.640 given the line of questioning that he pursued here. But yeah, 2:41:12.800 --> 2:41:17.199 you can hear Ritchie. She seems to be unwilling to answer. 2:41:17.760 --> 2:41:25.080 Where the paper bag of cash money? Yeah, has gone 2:41:25.240 --> 2:41:26.080 incredible stuff. 2:41:26.360 --> 2:41:28.680 But it's easier to lose that than you'd think you. 2:41:28.840 --> 2:41:31.280 One would assume that FBI would have some kind of 2:41:31.400 --> 2:41:34.920 tracking capability when giving someone fifty thousand dollars in a 2:41:35.040 --> 2:41:36.680 paper bag, But here we are. 2:41:37.040 --> 2:41:39.280 Maybe it's a no country for all mint kind of situation. 2:41:39.360 --> 2:41:41.920 Whoever found it was smart enough to dune transponder first, 2:41:42.760 --> 2:41:46.440 we will probably never know if they're smart. 2:41:46.560 --> 2:41:46.760 Yeah. 2:41:46.920 --> 2:41:51.520 Well, building on that, what Pro Publicer is now reporting 2:41:51.640 --> 2:41:55.600 is that Homan went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant 2:41:55.680 --> 2:42:00.320 named Child Soul, and that Soul has been offering cons 2:42:00.360 --> 2:42:03.160 on how to obtain contracts a Department of Homeland Security. 2:42:03.760 --> 2:42:07.240 So Homan consulted for Soul's firm during the buyer the administration, 2:42:07.840 --> 2:42:10.640 and during that same period, Soul became the chair of 2:42:10.840 --> 2:42:15.720 Homan's Border nine to one one Foundation. According to their reporting, 2:42:16.320 --> 2:42:18.840 Pro Publica has called into questioning the extent to which 2:42:18.920 --> 2:42:22.440 Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he 2:42:22.520 --> 2:42:26.560 participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So 2:42:26.720 --> 2:42:30.440 normally a government official would be bound to steer clear 2:42:30.640 --> 2:42:32.840 of their former business associates for at least a year 2:42:33.480 --> 2:42:36.520 when they enter office. Right, I can't like consult for 2:42:36.640 --> 2:42:41.000 Garrison Inc. And then become procurement for DHS and immediately 2:42:41.120 --> 2:42:44.480 buy one thousand of whatever Garrison Inc. Is selling you. 2:42:44.920 --> 2:42:47.879 You can tag Garrison on a blue sky where they 2:42:47.920 --> 2:42:49.760 will read what you think they're selling. 2:42:50.160 --> 2:42:52.440 If this will result in me getting fifty thousand dollars 2:42:52.520 --> 2:42:55.160 in a paper bag, then you know, maybe. 2:42:55.120 --> 2:42:58.000 Yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting 2:42:58.000 --> 2:43:00.720 the fifty thousand dollars from Garrison Ink came return for 2:43:00.879 --> 2:43:03.160 buying whatever it is that you are selling orbs. 2:43:03.320 --> 2:43:04.920 Maybe yeah, that's not a great deal. 2:43:05.240 --> 2:43:06.080 Yeah did Yeah, I did. 2:43:06.160 --> 2:43:06.360 Well. 2:43:06.840 --> 2:43:10.200 Seems like it was a great deal in this instance 2:43:10.400 --> 2:43:11.119 for a Tom Holman. 2:43:11.200 --> 2:43:11.800 Yeah. Well. 2:43:11.840 --> 2:43:14.720 Their reporting suggests that Herman went from a relatively modest 2:43:14.800 --> 2:43:17.880 income in twenty seventeen to being a multimillionaire by the 2:43:17.959 --> 2:43:21.080 time he filed his twenty twenty five disclosure documents. When 2:43:21.120 --> 2:43:23.080 you assume federal office that you have to file these 2:43:23.160 --> 2:43:27.200 disclosure documents disclose your assets, I guess the famous one 2:43:27.280 --> 2:43:31.200 is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that during 2:43:31.240 --> 2:43:34.840 that time his personal network increased significantly, right, he did 2:43:34.840 --> 2:43:37.160 a lot of consulting. He became like a talking head 2:43:37.200 --> 2:43:40.640 on Fox News in the Biden administration, it's difficult to 2:43:40.680 --> 2:43:43.360 summarize the intricacies of history. I encourage you to read it. 2:43:43.800 --> 2:43:46.720 For instance, of the third person called Mark Hall, who 2:43:47.000 --> 2:43:49.400 appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan, 2:43:49.480 --> 2:43:53.000 but also retaining relationship with Soul's clients. It looks a 2:43:53.040 --> 2:43:57.000 lot like what's happening is that the people who Homan 2:43:57.120 --> 2:44:00.320 had been doing consulting with and now trying to make 2:44:00.600 --> 2:44:03.320 money saying that they have act special access to DHF 2:44:03.400 --> 2:44:06.800 based off that consulting. This kind of builds on some 2:44:06.920 --> 2:44:09.320 of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about 2:44:09.400 --> 2:44:13.480 last week. Right finally, on the immigration beat, I want 2:44:13.720 --> 2:44:17.400 to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has 2:44:17.480 --> 2:44:20.120 stated that the petitioner I'm not going to name the person, 2:44:20.160 --> 2:44:23.040 I don't think it's necessary, was taken to hospital by 2:44:23.120 --> 2:44:27.080 CBP after they severely injured his leg on a raid 2:44:27.200 --> 2:44:31.080 in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked 2:44:31.360 --> 2:44:35.280 into the hospital under a pseudonym and kept there under 2:44:35.440 --> 2:44:39.760 armed guard from August to twenty seventh until October fourth. 2:44:40.280 --> 2:44:41.560 Jesus Christ. 2:44:42.560 --> 2:44:45.320 Yeah, So this person, they weren't coming up in the 2:44:45.360 --> 2:44:48.800 detainee locator, right, They hadn't apparently been allocated in a number, 2:44:48.840 --> 2:44:50.680 which is what you'd normally used to look someone up 2:44:50.760 --> 2:44:54.360 on the ice detainee locator. And I guess the argument 2:44:54.400 --> 2:44:55.880 there was that they weren't booked in until they left 2:44:55.879 --> 2:44:59.080 the hospital, so this person basically disappeared for more than 2:44:59.120 --> 2:45:03.080 a month. The judges granted that petitioner an attentive restraining 2:45:03.280 --> 2:45:06.960 order in that instance. Right, But I think this I 2:45:07.040 --> 2:45:10.480 have been receiving a lot of messages about a Chicago 2:45:10.600 --> 2:45:13.760 older person who was detained by ICE at a hospital, 2:45:14.520 --> 2:45:17.480 and I have seen a number of reports that suggest 2:45:17.760 --> 2:45:20.200 that that's because Ice were detaining people in the hospital. 2:45:20.360 --> 2:45:22.240 To my knowledge, the only person they detained in the 2:45:22.280 --> 2:45:25.880 hospital was the older person. They were not detaining patients 2:45:25.959 --> 2:45:28.360 at the hospital. They were there because they had bought 2:45:28.520 --> 2:45:31.720 somebody to the hospital in order for that person to 2:45:31.760 --> 2:45:34.840 be a patient, because that person was in their detention, 2:45:35.080 --> 2:45:38.959 in their care and needed medical assistance. I have seen 2:45:39.120 --> 2:45:43.480 outlets I don't should I name them, like Democracy Now 2:45:43.840 --> 2:45:46.240 got this wrong, and so that they were arresting people, 2:45:46.520 --> 2:45:48.360 so like Democracy Now is one example, right. I have 2:45:48.440 --> 2:45:50.640 seen outlets reporting this as Ice were in the hospital 2:45:50.760 --> 2:45:53.720 detaining people. Nothing I have seen leads me to believe that, 2:45:54.320 --> 2:45:56.080 and lots of things I have seen leave me not 2:45:56.360 --> 2:45:59.280 to believe that. It doesn't mean it's great for the 2:45:59.320 --> 2:46:01.760 people who are bored in hospital by ICE, and sure 2:46:01.800 --> 2:46:03.680 it fucking sucks. I'm sure it has a chilling effect 2:46:03.720 --> 2:46:05.560 on other people going to hospital to know that they 2:46:05.600 --> 2:46:09.040 are there, But so does reporting that suggests that you 2:46:09.120 --> 2:46:11.600 can be picked up in hospital if you're an impatient 2:46:11.680 --> 2:46:14.080 or if you're in the emergency room. That stops people 2:46:14.120 --> 2:46:17.600 accessing medical care, that actively puts people in danger. We 2:46:17.720 --> 2:46:21.600 need to be really, really fucking careful when sharing this shit. 2:46:22.480 --> 2:46:26.119 That includes people who are journalists or claiming to be journalists. 2:46:26.840 --> 2:46:29.840 People are so upset, rightly so, with what ICE is 2:46:29.920 --> 2:46:33.080 doing that there can be this attitude and I've encountered 2:46:33.200 --> 2:46:38.119 before of like, well, by undercautioning people, that's the biggest risk. 2:46:38.280 --> 2:46:40.080 And it's like now when we're talking about whether or 2:46:40.120 --> 2:46:42.440 not people go to the hospital for life serving care, Like, no, 2:46:42.560 --> 2:46:45.760 I'm sorry, it's just not like these are not equivalent risks. 2:46:46.440 --> 2:46:49.320 More people are going to be in a position where 2:46:49.520 --> 2:46:51.760 they would be scared off from going to the hospital 2:46:52.280 --> 2:46:54.360 and not in any danger from ICE going to it, 2:46:54.480 --> 2:46:57.040 then might possibly be in danger going to the hospital. 2:46:57.760 --> 2:47:00.160 Like you're just endangering people by trying to get them 2:47:00.200 --> 2:47:01.840 to believe it is not safe for them to go 2:47:02.280 --> 2:47:05.320 receive life saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now, 2:47:05.879 --> 2:47:07.400 is it possible that's going to change? 2:47:07.520 --> 2:47:07.680 Good? 2:47:07.760 --> 2:47:10.119 God, I'm certainly not going to say no, right, I'm 2:47:10.240 --> 2:47:11.440 certainly not going to say no. 2:47:11.440 --> 2:47:12.040 One hundred percent. 2:47:12.640 --> 2:47:15.720 But that's not where we are right now. Just overcautioning 2:47:15.800 --> 2:47:19.480 people is not a net good in this instance. Yeah, absolutely, 2:47:19.520 --> 2:47:22.160 sometimes it is, but not here because again, if people 2:47:22.160 --> 2:47:23.800 don't go to the hospital on time, they die. 2:47:24.280 --> 2:47:24.440 Yeah. 2:47:24.520 --> 2:47:27.480 Yeah, And I'm aware of cases where people with genuinely 2:47:27.560 --> 2:47:31.440 life threatening medical emergencies have been had to be persuaded 2:47:31.480 --> 2:47:33.360 to go to the hospital by people right because they 2:47:33.400 --> 2:47:35.680 had seen this. Because these rooms don't just spread via 2:47:36.280 --> 2:47:38.600 social media built by WhatsApp groups and things, and it 2:47:38.640 --> 2:47:39.879 can be very scary for people. 2:47:40.160 --> 2:47:43.400 Well, and people largely construct their beliefs on reality by 2:47:43.520 --> 2:47:45.760 like what the weight of the people that they know 2:47:45.959 --> 2:47:49.640 directly or follow are saying is true. And when you 2:47:49.760 --> 2:47:52.240 see fifty people, some of them you kind of know, 2:47:52.440 --> 2:47:55.439 some of whom you've at least followed to an extent online, 2:47:55.560 --> 2:47:59.680 all say this is unsafe, then there's a tendency to 2:47:59.680 --> 2:48:01.760 get angry when people are like, well, I don't know, 2:48:01.800 --> 2:48:03.560 maybe it doesn't it actually, yeah. 2:48:03.600 --> 2:48:07.000 Like I mean, like I care about the safety of 2:48:07.080 --> 2:48:09.560 migrantes in this country. I think anyone who looked at 2:48:09.560 --> 2:48:12.360 a totality of my work would would believe that right, 2:48:12.440 --> 2:48:15.879 like it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want 2:48:15.920 --> 2:48:18.000 them to go to hospital when they're fucking sick, and 2:48:18.879 --> 2:48:22.240 that means that people who are saying things that are 2:48:22.280 --> 2:48:24.120 not true. I understand why, right it lines up with 2:48:24.160 --> 2:48:25.720 the other things that we know to be true. ICE 2:48:25.840 --> 2:48:28.680 is doing terrible shit. Shit is terrible, but it is 2:48:28.879 --> 2:48:32.000 still an area where we need to exercise extreme caution 2:48:32.680 --> 2:48:36.480 when reporting on things until we know that it is 2:48:36.560 --> 2:48:38.240 true that I saw coming in to hospital and taking 2:48:38.240 --> 2:48:39.920 people out of the beds, which again, not a thing 2:48:40.080 --> 2:48:43.520 that I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit 2:48:43.959 --> 2:48:48.480 to public lands. Some think that I think about a lot, 2:48:48.600 --> 2:48:51.360 but we don't always report on here, but that I 2:48:51.440 --> 2:48:54.080 think is very important. I want to talk about the 2:48:54.440 --> 2:48:58.800 Roadless Rule today. So September saw the end of the 2:48:58.959 --> 2:49:01.240 comment period. It was a very short comment period on 2:49:01.280 --> 2:49:06.000 the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the Roadless Rule. The 2:49:06.120 --> 2:49:09.480 Roadless Rule, if you're not familiar, protects over fifty eight 2:49:09.520 --> 2:49:14.240 point eight million acres of national forest land from roadbuilding, logging, 2:49:14.280 --> 2:49:18.800 and other industrial activity. According to the Center for Western Priorities, 2:49:19.200 --> 2:49:22.440 ninety nine percent of the comments submitted, of which there 2:49:22.440 --> 2:49:24.880 were more than one hundred and eighty thousand, were opposed 2:49:25.000 --> 2:49:28.800 to rescinding the rule. The roadless rule has previously had 2:49:28.959 --> 2:49:32.840 broad bipartisan support. It was not a particularly controversial thing. 2:49:33.440 --> 2:49:36.920 Agriculture sexuary Brook Roylins announced a proposal earlier in the summer, 2:49:37.000 --> 2:49:42.320 saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research 2:49:42.360 --> 2:49:45.400 suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests 2:49:45.520 --> 2:49:49.560 provides more ignition opportunities rate By allowing people to go 2:49:49.680 --> 2:49:52.520 into those forests, you allow those people to do things 2:49:52.560 --> 2:49:55.760 which lead to fires happening, right, get cars overheat, they 2:49:55.800 --> 2:49:59.000 smoke cigarettes, they fucking shoot steel targets. In the middle 2:49:59.000 --> 2:50:00.240 of the summer, we. 2:50:00.640 --> 2:50:03.560 Just had a guy brought in for the Palisade fires, 2:50:03.680 --> 2:50:05.320 and he was like a twenty nine year old uber 2:50:05.400 --> 2:50:09.000 driver who was having clearly a bad mental health day, 2:50:09.200 --> 2:50:12.280 called in after he set a fire, but kind of 2:50:12.360 --> 2:50:14.640 made weird denials about it and like fled to Florida. 2:50:14.800 --> 2:50:17.520 And it kind of just looks like he was listening 2:50:17.560 --> 2:50:20.120 to a song where there were people lighting fires and 2:50:20.200 --> 2:50:22.560 decided to light a fire and it got way out 2:50:22.600 --> 2:50:26.240 of control, way too quickly. Yeah, and it wasn't even 2:50:26.280 --> 2:50:28.280 the same night, Like it took like a week because 2:50:28.320 --> 2:50:30.200 like they put out the initial fire, but it kept 2:50:30.280 --> 2:50:33.800 burning through thick underbrush which eventually got recot. That's my 2:50:33.879 --> 2:50:35.920 understanding based on the articles that I've read. But like, yeah, 2:50:35.959 --> 2:50:39.560 it's I mean, in that case, it's just a guy 2:50:39.640 --> 2:50:41.119 who's not super well. 2:50:42.120 --> 2:50:42.280 Yeah. 2:50:42.400 --> 2:50:42.640 Sure. 2:50:42.840 --> 2:50:45.200 And like the other thing the cutting grows will do 2:50:45.240 --> 2:50:46.920 is it will change the fotiage. Right, You'll cut down 2:50:46.959 --> 2:50:50.360 the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs, and that 2:50:50.520 --> 2:50:52.600 those are easier to burn the big trees. 2:50:52.760 --> 2:50:52.920 Right. 2:50:53.760 --> 2:50:56.080 The Wilderness Society has some date on this. I think 2:50:56.120 --> 2:50:58.440 they found that forestwich roads were four times more likely 2:50:58.520 --> 2:51:02.240 to have fires. I will link to that Wilderness Society data. 2:51:02.800 --> 2:51:05.720 The roads rule was passed under the Clinton admin and 2:51:05.840 --> 2:51:09.280 it's being rescinded as part of a March executive order 2:51:09.320 --> 2:51:13.920 which which sought to increase US timber production. I want 2:51:13.959 --> 2:51:16.360 to note that there will not be guys with chainsaws 2:51:16.440 --> 2:51:18.960 rolling into your favorite national forest like next week or 2:51:19.040 --> 2:51:21.040 next month. Right, Like building these roads would have to 2:51:21.040 --> 2:51:23.960 be financed by the United States Forest Service, which is 2:51:24.120 --> 2:51:27.200 of course currently well, if you go on the forest website, 2:51:27.240 --> 2:51:29.640 forest Service website will tell you that radical left Democrats 2:51:29.680 --> 2:51:32.080 have shut down the federal government right now in a 2:51:32.120 --> 2:51:34.920 pop up but we did it, guys. Yeah, so the 2:51:35.000 --> 2:51:38.280 Forest Service finally coming out against the work left. But yeah, 2:51:38.440 --> 2:51:40.400 the Forest Service would have to finance these, and it's 2:51:40.480 --> 2:51:45.600 currently understaffed because of the voluntary and DOGE based layoffs. 2:51:46.360 --> 2:51:49.200 It's not particularly well funded. I don't see the Forest 2:51:49.240 --> 2:51:51.040 Service going in for a lot of road construction, but 2:51:51.120 --> 2:51:53.200 it might be wrong, right Trump Kelly seems to see 2:51:54.040 --> 2:51:58.320 not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite 2:51:58.360 --> 2:52:00.960 sure why. Like, I guess there's this. This was an 2:52:01.000 --> 2:52:02.720 issue in Britain when they had to respond to the 2:52:02.760 --> 2:52:05.960 Spanish Armada cut down a lot of trees back then. 2:52:06.400 --> 2:52:10.760 Not familiar with very similar Yeah, national security issue. I 2:52:10.800 --> 2:52:12.320 think we can agree right to Spanish. 2:52:12.480 --> 2:52:15.440 I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally 2:52:15.520 --> 2:52:19.080 drive my ATV through these you know, environmentally protected area 2:52:19.280 --> 2:52:22.600 damn right garrison without getting harassed by the park ser Yeah, 2:52:23.240 --> 2:52:23.840 woke Left. 2:52:24.160 --> 2:52:26.400 I'm going to be the drunkest guy on an ATV 2:52:26.560 --> 2:52:29.040 and Joshua tree. I'm going to drive straight for the 2:52:29.120 --> 2:52:32.360 biggest tree I can find. Anything over a thousand years 2:52:32.400 --> 2:52:34.920 old is fair game for my bumper. Baby, it's hit 2:52:35.080 --> 2:52:39.120 close to home. I'm sorry, James, Jesus is seething right now. 2:52:40.240 --> 2:52:41.840 Jessu is going to fucking cut me. 2:52:43.360 --> 2:52:46.160 If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree, 2:52:46.200 --> 2:52:46.920 I will I. 2:52:46.879 --> 2:52:49.800 Would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never harm 2:52:49.879 --> 2:52:52.360 a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I will 2:52:52.400 --> 2:52:54.720 harm in discriminately and in the tree of paradise. But 2:52:54.800 --> 2:52:57.480 that's good for the environment. But those trees kill them 2:52:57.480 --> 2:52:58.440 wherever you find them. 2:52:58.959 --> 2:53:00.800 I think the only Joshua te it's okay to hate 2:53:00.840 --> 2:53:02.320 it is the album by you too. 2:53:02.760 --> 2:53:06.920 Yeah, that's also burn every copy of the album josh Yeah, 2:53:06.920 --> 2:53:09.240 I'm okay with destroy raise it from the run over 2:53:09.440 --> 2:53:13.400 those within ATV. Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct. 2:53:13.640 --> 2:53:13.960 Why not? 2:53:14.360 --> 2:53:14.560 Yeah? 2:53:15.160 --> 2:53:17.440 May you want to talk about tariffs. We're talking about timber, 2:53:17.480 --> 2:53:19.760 and of course there has been recently a tariff on 2:53:20.040 --> 2:53:24.520 Canadian lumber woke trees coming in from our neighbors to 2:53:24.600 --> 2:53:27.560 the north. So sorry, perhaps that's why we need to 2:53:27.600 --> 2:53:28.840 destroy our national forests. 2:53:28.840 --> 2:53:31.160 I mean, Canada kinda is destroying theirs and they still 2:53:31.160 --> 2:53:32.440 have trees the export. 2:53:32.920 --> 2:53:34.760 Yeah, I do. I guess one thing I haven't said 2:53:34.760 --> 2:53:36.440 about public land that you should always say when you're 2:53:36.440 --> 2:53:39.040 talking about public land is that it's all native land, actually, 2:53:39.200 --> 2:53:41.240 and the framing of public land is a place for 2:53:41.320 --> 2:53:44.280 white folks to recreate. It's not the correct framing. It's 2:53:44.320 --> 2:53:45.400 not how we win this fight. 2:53:45.560 --> 2:53:47.800 And no, and you should also if you care about 2:53:48.120 --> 2:53:51.240 not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general, 2:53:51.440 --> 2:53:54.440 and you ever hit the opportunity to go through like 2:53:54.560 --> 2:53:56.160 up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through 2:53:56.240 --> 2:53:58.360 chunks of the forest that are managed by the state 2:53:58.480 --> 2:54:00.680 and that are managed by the Bureau of Management, and 2:54:00.720 --> 2:54:02.240 then you can go through chunks of forests that are 2:54:02.280 --> 2:54:06.120 managed by the indigenous communities. And the way in which 2:54:06.200 --> 2:54:09.480 forests are managed is very different. Yeah, and different in 2:54:09.560 --> 2:54:10.960 a way that one is the right way to do 2:54:11.040 --> 2:54:15.280 it and the other two arts yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2:54:15.760 --> 2:54:15.960 Yeah. 2:54:16.080 --> 2:54:19.120 This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous 2:54:19.560 --> 2:54:22.640 stewards by means of genocide, and we should give it back. 2:54:23.360 --> 2:54:26.600 And it's not just a matter of that's the the 2:54:26.959 --> 2:54:28.920 right thing to say, but also that is the right 2:54:28.959 --> 2:54:30.680 way to preserve those lands. 2:54:31.160 --> 2:54:33.600 Yeah, the people who've been in stewardship of those lands 2:54:33.640 --> 2:54:36.000 so much only than in America has been a country anyway. 2:54:36.280 --> 2:54:38.840 Watch the I think nineteen ninety one movie clear Cut, 2:54:39.080 --> 2:54:41.920 which is set in Canada. But a fucking banger, real 2:54:42.000 --> 2:54:42.480 good movie. 2:54:42.760 --> 2:54:43.200 Check it out. 2:54:43.440 --> 2:54:45.520 I don't know if those two things are compatible, what 2:54:45.920 --> 2:54:47.160 Canada and a banga. 2:54:47.879 --> 2:54:52.120 Yeah, it's good. It's it's it's a it's about an 2:54:52.160 --> 2:54:54.439 indigenous activist and a white lawyer. 2:54:54.959 --> 2:54:58.760 Who you don't like cronin What's wrong with Histor? 2:55:00.120 --> 2:55:04.320 He's fighting the log movies. It's it's really good. It's 2:55:04.360 --> 2:55:07.000 about this, Like, Okay, I want liberal white lawyer who's 2:55:07.040 --> 2:55:10.760 fighting like a logging company and this indigenous activist who 2:55:11.840 --> 2:55:14.560 takes him and kidnaps the head of the logging company 2:55:14.640 --> 2:55:16.520 and takes them into the forest. And that's all I'll 2:55:16.520 --> 2:55:18.680 tell you about the movie. It is a fucking banger. 2:55:18.840 --> 2:55:21.080 I don't go on this podcast make fun of your 2:55:21.120 --> 2:55:25.240 own country, Garrison, David, you will all, by the way, 2:55:25.600 --> 2:55:30.600 like Clearcut, watch that fucking movie Tariff talk. 2:55:30.800 --> 2:55:34.800 Yeah, movie Tariff flick at that for fucking segue. Yeah, 2:55:39.080 --> 2:55:40.359 locking jazz. 2:55:40.959 --> 2:55:51.840 Rocking jazz pot locking locking jazz, rocking jazz bo okay. 2:55:52.120 --> 2:55:54.840 In Lightning Round, we have huge We have two pivot 2:55:54.879 --> 2:55:58.280 points here. We're gonna go for the timber pivot instead 2:55:58.280 --> 2:56:02.840 of the movie pivot. So Lightning Round. Trump is imposing 2:56:02.959 --> 2:56:06.360 a ten percent tariff on softwood lumber, a twenty five 2:56:06.480 --> 2:56:11.880 percent tariff on upholstered furniture, and twenty five percent tariff 2:56:12.000 --> 2:56:15.400 on kitchen cabinets. In vanities, Ikea is the thing. 2:56:15.560 --> 2:56:20.400 Ikea is tyas Shay's long industry is collapsing in Canada 2:56:20.520 --> 2:56:21.120 as we speak. 2:56:21.400 --> 2:56:24.000 Yeah, so this is this is going to be in 2:56:24.080 --> 2:56:27.520 effect October fourteenth, get him now. And then also these 2:56:27.560 --> 2:56:30.640 tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year. 2:56:31.640 --> 2:56:35.800 The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to thirty percent, and 2:56:35.879 --> 2:56:38.320 the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to fifty 2:56:38.360 --> 2:56:39.879 percent at the beginning of next year. 2:56:40.160 --> 2:56:42.560 Oh yeah, the idea that there's a vanity tariff is 2:56:42.640 --> 2:56:45.000 very funny to me, like not as now, but just 2:56:45.320 --> 2:56:47.600 like as a concept. 2:56:48.280 --> 2:56:53.320 Yeah, people, these are nominally lumber industry tariffs. I think 2:56:53.360 --> 2:56:57.440 there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's 2:56:58.240 --> 2:57:00.600 head rattling around as to why there's some only tariffs 2:57:00.640 --> 2:57:05.880 on vanities and upultered furniture. Who knows, baffling. The Canadian 2:57:05.879 --> 2:57:08.240 government has been attempting to lift the tariffs. It has 2:57:08.440 --> 2:57:14.039 not worked. Negotiations once again failed today, which is octper eighth. Okay, 2:57:14.160 --> 2:57:18.080 bouncing from that to something that's also very important, blashet 2:57:18.120 --> 2:57:20.800 Wete and I feeling more important. So one of the 2:57:20.959 --> 2:57:24.560 issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to 2:57:24.879 --> 2:57:28.440 the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, infants, and children, 2:57:28.520 --> 2:57:34.400 which is normally called WIC. The rec funding is extraordinarily 2:57:34.560 --> 2:57:39.800 important because it feeds several million people. And Okay, this 2:57:39.920 --> 2:57:43.400 story is very, very weird because we haven't gotten any 2:57:44.240 --> 2:57:49.000 direct thing about how this would work outside of the 2:57:49.080 --> 2:57:52.000 Press secretary saying it. But the Press secretary is saying 2:57:52.879 --> 2:57:56.880 that Trump is going to fund this program with the 2:57:57.160 --> 2:58:01.640 money from one of the tariff pro Yeah. Now, it 2:58:01.760 --> 2:58:06.920 is worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional. Exceptionally unconstitutional. 2:58:07.240 --> 2:58:09.640 Is a violation of the part of the Separation of 2:58:09.680 --> 2:58:11.520 powers where they say that Congress is the thing that 2:58:11.879 --> 2:58:14.760 that Levy's tax doesn't decide where the money goes. But 2:58:14.840 --> 2:58:17.000 it's also it's not clear if this is even happening 2:58:17.320 --> 2:58:21.400 or how it could even remotely happen, but it is 2:58:21.520 --> 2:58:25.000 being reported. WIC has been a program that Trump has 2:58:25.000 --> 2:58:28.480 been using to push his narrative about the government shut down. 2:58:28.959 --> 2:58:32.120 Yeah, I think forty percent of children are on WICK 2:58:32.640 --> 2:58:36.480 right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's 2:58:36.520 --> 2:58:39.320 one of those things where like again, there was complete 2:58:39.360 --> 2:58:42.800 biparties and support apart aside from complete lunatics until very 2:58:43.040 --> 2:58:46.600 like you would never have heard like a fuck Wig statement. 2:58:47.640 --> 2:58:49.240 It's done a lot of good for a lot of 2:58:49.280 --> 2:58:51.400 people who need a lot of help. I did see 2:58:51.440 --> 2:58:55.160 a statement from the Wick Council that basically asserted that, like, look, 2:58:55.240 --> 2:58:59.320 we'd be excited if you would keep us keep Wick funded, 2:59:00.160 --> 2:59:04.440 but using tariff money if not a sustainable or like 2:59:04.640 --> 2:59:07.680 reliable approach to do this, just just fund it by 2:59:08.120 --> 2:59:10.119 playing for government program to the youth a way. 2:59:10.920 --> 2:59:13.640 Yeah. So the other major tariff news that we have 2:59:14.120 --> 2:59:18.000 is basically, for the last couple of weeks, Trump has 2:59:18.080 --> 2:59:22.960 been threatening to impose one tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was 2:59:23.000 --> 2:59:25.440 originally supposed to go into effect in October first, and 2:59:25.560 --> 2:59:29.400 then Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug 2:59:29.520 --> 2:59:33.800 manufacturers to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also, 2:59:33.879 --> 2:59:36.200 and this is the major significant element, as we've seen 2:59:36.240 --> 2:59:38.680 with the whole bunch of companies that have made deals 2:59:38.760 --> 2:59:43.880 with Trump pledges of large scale investments in US manufacturing 2:59:43.920 --> 2:59:47.320 and production. These tariffs have sort of been staved off, 2:59:48.000 --> 2:59:50.040 and the administration is now saying that they won't do 2:59:50.160 --> 2:59:53.000 it because they don't need to, because they have resear 2:59:53.040 --> 2:59:56.680 greevments for drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company 2:59:56.680 --> 2:59:58.640 to sign a deal. This has been part of an 2:59:58.680 --> 3:00:04.240 initiative called trump RX, which is supposedly coming in twenty 3:00:04.360 --> 3:00:05.120 twenty six. 3:00:05.480 --> 3:00:05.680 Man. 3:00:06.760 --> 3:00:10.080 Yeah, and the plan is to have direct to consumer 3:00:10.600 --> 3:00:16.039 drug sales by forcing these companies to give the US 3:00:16.240 --> 3:00:20.760 Most Favored Nation status, which like basically the thrust of 3:00:20.840 --> 3:00:23.959 this is giving specifically this trump RX thing, the prices 3:00:24.000 --> 3:00:27.760 that these drug companies charge to undeveloped countries. However, and 3:00:27.840 --> 3:00:30.240 this is extremely important to not being reported very much. 3:00:30.720 --> 3:00:33.720 Trump Our Rex, assuming this comes program comes into being, 3:00:34.080 --> 3:00:36.560 you can't use insurance on it is only you can 3:00:36.600 --> 3:00:38.880 only buy drugs off there. You would only be able 3:00:38.920 --> 3:00:41.520 to buy drugs off there without insurance, So it probably 3:00:41.600 --> 3:00:44.080 doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have 3:00:44.560 --> 3:00:46.240 really any kind of insurance. 3:00:45.959 --> 3:00:49.200 Certainly lowess it cost your insurance company has to pay, right, 3:00:49.320 --> 3:00:51.279 like if you're insured badly. 3:00:51.640 --> 3:00:54.720 Yeah, right, you know, And so the actual good that 3:00:54.840 --> 3:00:58.160 this could even potentially do, I think is very very limited. Yeah, 3:00:58.440 --> 3:01:01.000 but that's sort of what's going on. This is the 3:01:01.040 --> 3:01:02.760 part of the initiative. If you see people talking about 3:01:02.760 --> 3:01:05.400 how he's lowering drug prices, it's specifically for this weird 3:01:05.400 --> 3:01:08.359 trump are X thing, which again you can't use insurance 3:01:08.400 --> 3:01:11.000 to use. So there's been a few other tariffs that 3:01:11.080 --> 3:01:13.280 he's talked about, and I kind of want to set 3:01:13.280 --> 3:01:18.280 a spectrum of how real a tariff is because there's 3:01:18.280 --> 3:01:19.800 there's a whole bunch of different kinds of terifts that 3:01:19.800 --> 3:01:23.279 Trump announces and then nothing happens on yeh. So, for example, 3:01:23.720 --> 3:01:27.240 you can have a kind of tariff where he announces 3:01:27.320 --> 3:01:30.000 on social media but there's no date, right, So one 3:01:30.040 --> 3:01:32.120 hundred percent tariff on foreign made movies. This is the 3:01:32.160 --> 3:01:34.160 second time he talked about it. There's never been a 3:01:34.240 --> 3:01:36.000 date attached to it. It seems to be something that 3:01:36.040 --> 3:01:39.800 he tweets about and then forgets about. It never happens. 3:01:40.360 --> 3:01:43.680 On the more real end, there are tariffs like the 3:01:43.800 --> 3:01:46.600 one that is currently being proposed as twenty five percent 3:01:46.640 --> 3:01:49.760 tariff on heavy trucks that's supposed to go into effect 3:01:49.760 --> 3:01:52.200 in November first, but there is no executive order, so 3:01:53.080 --> 3:01:56.119 that one we can't treat as real as for example, 3:01:56.360 --> 3:02:00.120 the lumber tariffs, which have an executive order, although so 3:02:00.200 --> 3:02:02.560 again you have to wait for these to actually go 3:02:02.640 --> 3:02:05.840 into effect, which which would be category sort of three 3:02:05.920 --> 3:02:08.879 and four are isert executive order and has the date 3:02:08.920 --> 3:02:13.040 of the executive order doing the thing passed. So we 3:02:13.200 --> 3:02:15.720 have a couple of floating tariffs. From there, we have 3:02:15.959 --> 3:02:18.560 those twenty five percent tariffs on heavy trucks which are 3:02:18.560 --> 3:02:21.560 supposed to go into Efectivember first, assuming it's an executive order. 3:02:21.640 --> 3:02:24.240 We have this film tariff, which is the was the 3:02:24.320 --> 3:02:28.320 scariest tariff by far one tariffs on foreign made films. 3:02:28.400 --> 3:02:31.360 What are they tariffing that have to hoist the black flag? Again, 3:02:31.440 --> 3:02:34.600 my friends don't know has any idea what that means? 3:02:34.680 --> 3:02:36.640 We have no, absolutely not. We have no clue how 3:02:36.640 --> 3:02:37.760 this is no detasfled. 3:02:37.840 --> 3:02:42.760 Okay, he just said what film. Okay, sick good. I'm 3:02:42.760 --> 3:02:44.400 glad that everyone's equally clear on that. 3:02:44.640 --> 3:02:46.080 Get back to torrenting Babel. 3:02:46.320 --> 3:02:48.240 I think I think the final thing we should talk 3:02:48.280 --> 3:02:50.120 about is so on November fifth, the Sutreame Court is 3:02:50.160 --> 3:02:52.400 going to start hearing the case against a bunch of 3:02:52.440 --> 3:02:55.039 the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about 3:02:55.040 --> 3:02:57.440 this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even 3:02:57.560 --> 3:03:00.520 if these terriffs are found on constitutional, they are going 3:03:00.600 --> 3:03:03.879 to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws. 3:03:04.280 --> 3:03:04.720 That's good. 3:03:05.520 --> 3:03:08.720 Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't 3:03:08.800 --> 3:03:10.960 mean that all the terriffs are suddenly just not going 3:03:11.000 --> 3:03:13.040 to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a 3:03:13.040 --> 3:03:15.560 whole bunch of them under different terrorf authority, and we'll 3:03:15.600 --> 3:03:18.080 go through this whole process again. But yeah, this is 3:03:18.160 --> 3:03:19.880 this has been this has been terriff talk. 3:03:20.600 --> 3:03:20.840 Great. 3:03:21.400 --> 3:03:24.800 Okay, So I have a fundraiser for you. We're doing 3:03:24.840 --> 3:03:29.640 Bouquette again. Buqutt Tan is an Alavi Kurdish woman. Because 3:03:30.400 --> 3:03:32.680 of her beliefs and her ethnicity, she found it very 3:03:32.720 --> 3:03:36.800 hard to live in Turkey. We've we've documented Turkey and 3:03:36.840 --> 3:03:39.560 Kurdish people's relations quite a lot on this podcast. 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