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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 3: Welcome to take it up. And here a podcast where

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Speaker 3: the it is the authoritarian takeover of the city of Chicago.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Mia Wong, and today is an episode

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Speaker 3: that was significantly delayed by the fact that our guest

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Speaker 3: got shot in the face by riot munitions while attempting

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Speaker 3: to cover an anti ice protest and an ice facility,

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Speaker 3: and then her coworker was fucking grabbed by the Feds

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Speaker 3: the next day, which she was also still out at

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Speaker 3: for reasons that are semi incomprehensible to me, because again,

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Speaker 3: she was just shot in the face. Since this is Raven,

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Speaker 3: a journalist with the independent outlet Unraveled, which really truly

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Speaker 3: is doing a lot of incredible work on the incredible

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Speaker 3: proliferation of ice raids around Chicago. Raven, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh.

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Speaker 1: Boys, is right? Thanks for that intro. Yeah, we're in

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Speaker 1: the ship right now, We're in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I would to immediately start this with

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Speaker 3: you are mostly you're basically okay from my understanding, from

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Speaker 3: getting shot in the face of the right munition like

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Speaker 1: I am. I am basically okay. I have like some

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Speaker 1: swelling still in my jaw. I'm going to the doctor.

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Speaker 1: We'll see like if there's any soft tissue like lingering

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Speaker 1: effects later on down the line. But nothing's broken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which, thank god, holy shit, thank god that I

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Speaker 3: can really fuck you up permanently.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean it's spent several weeks now of

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Speaker 1: the FEDS just pummeling people with these stupid little pepper

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Speaker 1: ball rounds. Yep, And like the core of it is

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Speaker 1: you shoot someone in the face with those, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like we've seen horrific injuries these last few weeks protesters

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Speaker 1: and also like people getting concussions from like you know,

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Speaker 1: just been awful. Not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: Shot at, like literally, I was like taking a photo

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Speaker 1: of a fed like an oppressed gaggle. We were all

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Speaker 1: hiding behind this van while we're just like being shot at.

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Speaker 1: And this guy, I mean, he stared right at me

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Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing. She's christ Yeah, another

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Speaker 1: reporter it was like a similar situation where these guys

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Speaker 1: like fucking ambushed them. Like it was just two reporters

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Speaker 1: like hiding behind a van and these guys came up

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and this has been at the protests at

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Speaker 3: the ice facility in Broadview. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Broadby is like just a tiny little suburb, like just

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Speaker 1: outside of Chicago. It's still in Cook County, majority black suburb,

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Speaker 1: actually black working class, the mayors of Black Woman And

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Speaker 1: now this ice facility has been there for a while, obviously. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: people were protesting there weekly for like over a decade,

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Speaker 1: but nothing like what we've seen these last few weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, let's go back in time a little bit,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, shortly after this latest ICE surge began, they

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Speaker 1: so that is of course really horrifying and horrifying to

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Speaker 3: Like as you were saying, the part of what's really

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Speaker 3: frustrating about this is we can't tell you why they

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Speaker 3: we know very little about this other than they stopped

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Speaker 3: the guy, he tried to drive away and they shot him.

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Speaker 3: That's like that's all we know effectively, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they claim he had some traffic violations, which

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he wasn't suspected of any like crime. No,

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, yeah, which is.

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Speaker 1: Was of course their initial narrative that he like hit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's also frustrating too, because you know, in

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Speaker 3: And so that's the first that's the version of the

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Speaker 3: And they don't see the video where it's very clearly

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Speaker 1: It is a maddening situation. So yeah, I mean, like

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Speaker 1: and then around a week and a half ago, Bovino

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Speaker 3: Bovino and the Border patrol people, those are the people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bovino moved this sort of larger border patrol operation

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Speaker 1: boats for photos, combined with like actual terrors, like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think we'll get to that rate in

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Speaker 3: then the Border patrol operations have looked like in the

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Speaker 1: It kind of feels like streaming underwater and no one

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Speaker 1: And it is still highly dispersed, right like Chicago and

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Speaker 1: It's a huge, huge area. So like we talked about

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Speaker 1: together like potentially what happened. And additionally, the broad view,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not set up to be a permanent

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Speaker 1: They're aware of what's happening. They're witnessing all of this

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Speaker 1: like like it it's true, like I don't always want

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the behavior that they've been exhibiting against the

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you a bit about like

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Speaker 3: what it's been like dealing with the way that the

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Speaker 3: Feds have been attacking the protesters constantly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, these guys are fucking monsters.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to thread this needle for people of like

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Speaker 1: all policing is bad, right, Like a police is violent,

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Speaker 1: All cops are violent, But there is something different happening

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Speaker 1: here as a result of the fact that there is

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Speaker 1: literally zero accountability. And I'm not suggesting that like police

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Speaker 1: But I think, like, you know, when you take away

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Speaker 3: Like Jesus fucking Christ God, And this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which you know, it's like, Okay, what is

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00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 3: the FBI doing right now? They are fucking dragging naked

436
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: children and out of their fucking homes, like out of

437
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: their fucking apartment at one in the fucking morning.

438
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were they were in in fucking moving

439
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: vans like Patriot Front.

440
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, fucking horrible. I mean, like I got I

441
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: ever seeing a statement where it was like they were

442
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: denying that they had loaded any immigrants into moving vans, yeah, which.

443
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Like maybe that's I don't know, maybe only the FBI. Yeah,

444
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: beautiful halls, Like I don't know.

445
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also just like haunted by like what O

446
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: the reports that I saw where they were talking about

447
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: like they separated all of the black people into like

448
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: one van and all of the non black people to

449
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: another one, and it was just like, oh God, like

450
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: these people. There's another thing. I think this is in

451
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: the story that you that you wrote about this or

452
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 3: they literally like fed literally said fuck them kids.

453
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I don't I definitely didn't write that,

454
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: but I believe that someone said it.

455
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Oh my god.

456
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: I believe it. I'm I'm I mean, I'm glad to

457
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: hear that. Five minutes ago the sunset I covered it.

458
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: You know.

459
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, they finally got around to it.

460
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for them to be clear, Like they probably

461
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: interviewed a lot more people than we had capacity to.

462
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's been obviously a huge challenge to even

463
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: cover all this stuff, like as this tiny, random weirdo

464
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: ass news outlet, like yeah, and we're still figuring out

465
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: as we go, but yeah, I mean this this I

466
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: am still it has been two days and I am

467
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: like still trying to wrap my head around this raid,

468
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: this specific raid, because it's just, yeah, so horrific that

469
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: this happened. And of course, like the timing, like they

470
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing by timing it in the

471
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Speaker 1: middle of the night.

472
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: Of course. Yeah, I'm gonna fucking read the STIPs article

473
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 3: because I've just been reading it while you're doing it,

474
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 3: like Watson is. Somebody lists across the street said she

475
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: saw agents dragging residents, including kids, out of the building

476
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: without any clothes and into hu hole vans. Kids were

477
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: separated from their mothers. It was heartbreaking to watch sid Watson,

478
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: even if you're not a mother, seeing kids come out

479
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: buck naked and taking from their mothers, it was horrible.

480
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: They're literally ripping kids from their fucking mothers at one

481
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: in the morning and throwing it apparently allegedly throwing them

482
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: at U haulvans.

483
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean, this is like psycho shit. The

484
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: last three weeks four weeks has just spent a gradual

485
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: progression of like the most evil shit you've ever seen

486
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: in your life. I don't even know what to say

487
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: about anymore, honestly, because it feels like it feels like

488
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: our only way of grappling with things like this is

489
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: by making comparisons to other things. And I don't know

490
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: that that is really helping anybody right now. But you know,

491
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: it's ethnic cleansing, it's genocide. It's like literally, I was

492
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: just saying earlier today when like when you drill down

493
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: to it, like they're disappearing like vast majority Latino men.

494
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: There are some women, it's not only men, but like

495
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: they are definitely targeting like mostly men, and like these

496
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: are people who are migrating here from Central America who

497
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: are like if you look at their lineage, mostly like

498
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: indigenous to this fucking continent on like white people. You know,

499
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: it's just an extension of like the American project, like

500
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: of the white nationalist like extermination of the people indigenous

501
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: to the Americas. Like that is literally what's happening like

502
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: right now. So yeah, it does not feel like, I

503
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: don't know, like like enough people get it to the

504
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: level that they should.

505
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and that's I think. Like one other thing

506
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about was like the

507
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: way the press bubble has worked around this, where again,

508
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: the fact that federal agents dragged naked children from their

509
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: homes at one in the morning in the third largest

510
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: city in the United States, That is a story that

511
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: is hitting the mainstream Chicago press today two days later,

512
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: and I think the only national coverage of it that

513
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: I've seen are from people who are basically like repeating

514
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: the scoop that was given to this, like unhinged UFO outlet.

515
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: Who were the people that got the exclusive? Oh have

516
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 3: yeah read into this yet? Oh God, no idea? What

517
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: hold on? Hold on, let me let me God fuck Okay,

518
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to tell you about this is so unhinged.

519
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: I saw like the propaganda video that they made about it.

520
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the group that got like the exclusive like

521
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: press release thing from the Feds, which is basically being

522
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: like reprinted by Newsweek, who are just a joke at

523
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: this point. Like their description of it is like a

524
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: federal agent's repelled from black cop helicopters and the rooftop

525
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: Chicago residential buildings targeting trend to AGAUA gang members according

526
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: to NewsNation, And I was like, what the fuck is

527
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: news Nation? Like, I've I have a pretty good grasp

528
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: on like all of the weird right wing news outwits,

529
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: I'd never heard of this one. I looked them up

530
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: and the first like big thing that I saw about

531
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: them was that, well, any they are the people. They

532
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: were the person that Chris Cuomo went to after he

533
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: was like publicly disgraced as a journalist. And the second

534
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: thing I saw about them was that their big thing

535
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: is that they like quote unquote take UFOs seriously. These

536
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: are the people who were given like the exclusive scoop

537
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: on this is like the UFO outlet.

538
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: That is so funny. That is when I watched the

539
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: propaganda video that we were watching about it, Yeah it

540
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: was News Nation. I just thought it was like I

541
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: don't know, some right wing outlet like any other.

542
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I thought too that I looked at it

543
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: and like the Wikipedia article was like just when there's

544
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: a section titled UFOs, I was like, what the fuck?

545
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: Great?

546
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: Great?

547
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the UFO connection. I mean I

548
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: saw them. I saw their reporters like actually at the protests,

549
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: like interviewing, like the one guy in a maga hat

550
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: who showed up to counter protests, Like of course that's

551
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: whom they inter.

552
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, of course.

553
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: So that's good to know that they are UFO weirdos.

554
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: Regime approved of regieve approved media outlet, the UFO guys.

555
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: So, I mean, the the the official like like DHS

556
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: line on this entire thing is that trend de Aragua

557
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: was this, Like this entire apartment building was a trend

558
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: de Arragua hide.

559
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: Down just like No, it wasn't like.

560
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Like it's literally just the same fucking thing that Israel

561
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: does about hamas right when they're like, oh, yeah, this

562
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: hospital that we're bombing, Yeah there's hamasoles underneath. I mean

563
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: it's like the exact same ship.

564
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the connection you made earlier to this functioning as

565
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: an extension of like the genocide that founded this country.

566
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: I think it might have been Hannah or Rent. Okay,

567
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: I want to attribute this to herr Hannah Rent, which

568
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: is I guess kind of a mess because of her.

569
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: Don't do not ever look up Hannah rent stuff on segregation,

570
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: or actually, maybe do if you want to see the

571
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: worst argument you've ever seen in your life, where like

572
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: famed intellectual Hannah or Rent says that segregation is like

573
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: a defining quality of like a free society. I'm not

574
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: like a.

575
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Super expert on Hannah Rent, but I definitely did not

576
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: know that.

577
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, no that people. People don't I'll say this, wait,

578
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: people do not be bringing that ship up. Everyone else

579
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: is like, oh god, holy shit. You were like a

580
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: major segregation like intellectual who got brought out to be

581
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: like segregation is actually good. No, this is free association.

582
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: But I think it might have been her. It mightn't

583
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: fit someone else. I've been trying to look for who

584
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: had this idea and I haven't been able to find

585
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: who it was. And I vaguely remember being a Rent,

586
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: but fuck her. This has all been a very long

587
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: whine saying like there's there's an idea that I ran

588
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: into you back when I was in my sort of

589
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: like days in the academy about the way that societies

590
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: reflect their founding violence. And you know, the sort of

591
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: like the founding violence of the United States is the

592
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: genocideviticious people and slavery, and you look at what they're

593
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: doing right now. You're just watching sort of in miniature,

594
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: that violence just being replicated over and over again, where

595
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: like you're tearing fucking mothers from their children in the

596
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: dead of night. And it's the same people, right, Like

597
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: this is an apartment building where almost everyone is black,

598
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: and the people who aren't black are immigrants, right and

599
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: obviously like some of them are both, but like you know,

600
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: but like you're just like watching the founding violence of

601
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: this country just being played out over and over and

602
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: over again every night. And it's this thing where like

603
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: I don't think on a fundamental level that this thing

604
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: that we've built, this sort of like this conception of

605
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: what democracy is, like this conception of what the state is,

606
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: this conception of like what this country is, is going

607
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: to survive this moment. Either it's going to change completely

608
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: or the part of it that was nominally a democracy

609
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: is going to be consumed by the part of it

610
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: that's just doing this genocide over and over again. I

611
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: don't know. I quote this song a lot, Song of

612
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: Choice by Peggy Seeger. That's about the rise of fascism

613
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: that I think about a lot that has on one

614
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: of the lines is today the soldiers took away one.

615
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: Tomorrow they may take away two. One April they took

616
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: away Greece, but surely they will never take you. And yeah,

617
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: they're just fucking taking people away in the night. Right now,

618
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: that's the stage of this where we're at. And either

619
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: something fundamentally changes or right, you know, like that the

620
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: end of that song is either like they take you

621
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: or at the end they don't take you because they

622
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: know you didn't care, right, And.

623
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've been I've been covering civil conflict

624
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: and violence, you know, like more or less for the

625
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: last five years. Right, I was at January sixth, like

626
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: literally in the middle of the mob. I've seen a

627
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: lot of shit.

628
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: Reporting on it. This very clear reporting on it. Clarify

629
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: I was there.

630
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I was not, although my fashi uh stalkers might insist

631
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: I was part of like an Antifa conspiracy to.

632
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 5: Right, But.

633
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: But you know, I've seen a lot of shit the

634
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: last five years, obviously, and I think this particular moment

635
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: feels like, yeah, like we're kind of you know, like

636
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: we're a marble at the top of like a spiral,

637
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: and it's like either we're going to keep rolling down

638
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: or or somebody like jams it or takes the marble off,

639
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, like there's just this is this is a spiral,

640
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Like there are so many factors that are going to

641
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: contribute to this getting worse if we do not significantly

642
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: alter course. And I think, you know, this feeling that

643
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: we have locally of like we're screaming underwater and nobody

644
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: can hear us. I'm sure is share a sentiment that

645
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: is shared in LA, that is shared in DC, that

646
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: is shared in all of these cities all over where

647
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: Ice is doing similar shit. It can make us really angry.

648
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been really angry at times in the

649
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: last month about the lack of like attention whatever. But

650
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: then I think about how everyone is overwhelmed because there's

651
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: so much horrible shit happening every day on so many places,

652
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Like we just can't keep up anymore, Like none of

653
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: us can keep up.

654
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean, like, I'm in Portland right now,

655
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: and like it's my job to keep track of this,

656
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: and I can't tell you at this exact second weather

657
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: a federal deplay I'm to Portland is honor off. I

658
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: think it's currently off. But also by the time you're

659
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: listening to this, who the fuck knows? And like, yeah,

660
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: like right, I don't know. There's an aerid line about

661
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: how it's easier to hide a thousand atrocities than it

662
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: is to hide one because you can just keep ramping

663
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: the tempo up exactly.

664
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a historian. I'm just a journalist,

665
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: so maybe you would know better than me. But but

666
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: I feel like we are literally already in a civil war.

667
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: We just don't know it yet, or like we're waiting

668
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: for like some specific thing to like prove it, you know,

669
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't, I don't know. Yeah, I think generally

670
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: nobody knows until it's like already you're you're already in it.

671
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like we're in it, yeah, But

672
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: I but I also wonder if that's just the cognitive

673
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: effect of like us being here literally in it because

674
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: so much is going on, and then thinking like well,

675
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: if the ice surge subsides two months from now, is

676
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: it going to still feel this way? I don't know.

677
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean, yep, to me, it feels like we've got

678
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: several more years of the Trump regime at least. Ye

679
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: if we look at this in the sense of like, well,

680
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: they're escalating, and then also this is going to keep

681
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: going for several more years. Yeah, that's a terrifying concept. Yeah,

682
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: where do we go from here? If it's just gonna

683
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: like get even worse?

684
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know. I think I've been there

685
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: a lot recently. I don't know. It's the thing I've

686
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: been telling listeners of this show is that, like the

687
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: upside of all of this is that everyone hates them. Yeah,

688
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: oh yeah, Like their proof of ratings are so bad.

689
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: Everyone fucking hates them, and all of this stuff is

690
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: hideously unpopular. And the giant economic collapse that is very

691
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: obviously going to happen when the giant AI bubble that

692
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: is like that is like a third of US's GDP

693
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: pops what it inevitably does because it doesn't make any money.

694
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: They're doing all of this in a situation where the

695
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: economy still appears to be functioning, and when that shit

696
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: implodes on them, shit is going to be even worse

697
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: for them than it is now. But also like on

698
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: the other hand, unless people do things about it, then

699
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter how popular or not they are

700
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 3: if as long as no one is willing to like

701
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Speaker 3: stop them. And I guess that's like the last thing

702
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: I kind of want to close on is about, like

703
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Speaker 3: can you talk a little bit about like what you've

704
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 3: seen organizing wise that you can talk about that have

705
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: been effective.

706
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Speaker 1: Well, I think people here are still figuring it out

707
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: these protests. Outside of the ice facility. You know, there

708
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: hasn a lot of autonomous organizing. Chicago does not have

709
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: the same entrenched autonomous organizing culture that you see in

710
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: like Portland or Seattle for like a ton of reas

711
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: which are like on the scope of this episode series

712
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: the history the history of organizing in Chicago, and like

713
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: how we're in this specific moment. You know, it's important

714
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: to remember like this is a city where like the

715
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: FBI murdered Fred Hampton, right, it is bad. So there's

716
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: a lot of tension between different organizing factions about how

717
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: they want things done, and a lot of it is

718
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: fear driven for a good reason, because people are terrified,

719
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, they're still figuring stuff out. I mean, I think,

720
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: for lack of a better firm, last Saturday, people got

721
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: their ship rocked by Border patrol. You know, they were

722
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: so violent, they were so aggressive, they were just so

723
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: out of hand, just like immediately too. I mean it

724
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: was just like zero to sixty instantly, like there was

725
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: just a Saturday. We saw them just immediately tear gas

726
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: and and shoot at people over nothing, like nobody was

727
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: doing anything, and they just assaulted the crowd with like

728
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 1: the most tear gas I've ever seen in my life.

729
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: So I think folks were definitely under prepared for that,

730
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that it's like insurmountable to resist

731
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: something like that. I think there are questions surrounding the

732
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: best way to protest this specific building because of the location,

733
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: and it's tough because it's not in Chicago, it's hard

734
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Speaker 1: to get to for some people.

735
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Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

736
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Speaker 1: But I don't want to. I don't want to write

737
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: anybody off. I mean, I think people are just still

738
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: figuring things out, Like it's it's ice is adapting, Border

739
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: patrols adapting, and so then organizers also have to adapt,

740
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: like it's like this tennis match, right, yeah. Yeah, And

741
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: so you know, we are also very much here. Our

742
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: activists are not used to like a huge and our

743
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: press also by extension, are not used to like a

744
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: huge amount of chemical weapons.

745
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: Cargo doesn't use tear gas like historically, like they just

746
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: beat people, right or like shoot them with right munitions,

747
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: like they don't tear gas. And I think I was

748
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: really always told, like growing up in the city as

749
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: an activist, was like if they start using tear guessing

750
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: once they way from shooting you, right. And they finally

751
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: did it in twenty twenty, which is the first time

752
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: anyone had seen it in like decades, right, and the

753
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: fact that like they're just doing it all the time now,

754
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: like Jesus Christ, well, the.

755
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: FEDS, I mean we saw this in LA at the

756
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: beginning of this summer, where like Border Patrol specifically just

757
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: has this enormous amount of chemical weapons that they like

758
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe they're going to expire soon

759
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: and they have to use them all like like I

760
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what the rationale there is

761
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: other than just being evil. Yeah, but it's like literally

762
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: their first voice of like they're just I mean, they're

763
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: fucking enjoying it. They're fucking enjoying it. They're enjoying yeah,

764
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: shooting at people, tear gassing them, playing g.

765
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: I Joe, Like yeah, I mean, I will say it

766
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 3: does also raise the question, like how much of this

767
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: stuff do they actually have, because like twenty twenty, they

768
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: went through decades of stockpiles right right, And like this

769
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: is a thing that like, I don't know, someone who

770
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 3: has a lot of time and as an investigative journalist

771
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: should try to go track down how much of the

772
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: country's tear gas supplies they've been able to replenish, because

773
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: they used a lot of it on us in twenty twenty.

774
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: And like, I mean, this is I don't know if

775
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: it is famous. I guess in bicycles, it's kind of

776
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: a famous story that one of the one of the

777
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: South Korean military dictatorships was taken down by a student

778
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: like protest movement that calculated exactly how much tear gas

779
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: the police had and did this thing where they would

780
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: do these marches where they would whole bunch of people

781
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: would show up and the police start characterizing them, and

782
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: they would just slowly keep her treating and keep her

783
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: treating until they ran the state out of tear gas.

784
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I hope to see that level

785
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: or strategy in America.

786
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, law, like you know, like nothing nothing, nothing is

787
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: impossible with the power of really really pissed off students.

788
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what

789
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: the I'm not familiar with the manufacturing process for these

790
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: kind of like how long does it take the like

791
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: replenish and where do they source it from?

792
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is one hundred percent a Hey,

793
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 3: I know a bunch of journalists listen to this podcast.

794
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: If what if you wants to go do this, you

795
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: would be doing a great service to everyone in this country.

796
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: Like right, I'm like assuming that it's not made in

797
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: the United States and they're like importing these things.

798
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: A hug huge amount of Maybe I'm the American American

799
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: tear guys ends up like all over the world because

800
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: we're one of the big suppliers of it.

801
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Okay, well, then I was mistaken. The popper Ball gun

802
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: dispenser company apparently is based in Lake Forest, so it's

803
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: actually local.

804
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, since you're kind of oh.

805
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Well, it's just like a glorified paintball gun. Basically.

806
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing I've been getting from listening to you

807
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: talk about this and from talking to other people is that, like,

808
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: both part of what's making this so horrible and also

809
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: maybe where they fail is that these people don't know

810
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 3: what they're doing. They just like violence, right, And liking

811
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: violence and being willing to hurt people is a very

812
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 3: effective short term strategy for causing violence, right, But it

813
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: remains to be seen whether it's an effective long term

814
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: strategy for like holding power and accomplishing their goals.

815
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that for sure. It feels

816
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: like it feels like their operation is brittle, like it

817
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't take a lot to like impede it. But because

818
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: they are so violent and so out of hand that

819
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: just like the slightest resistance, it's still really challenging to

820
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: figure out. I mean, and to your point earlier about

821
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: everybody hating them, I mean, that is palpable. I have

822
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: heard the anger and the rage pouring out of people

823
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: at these guys, you know, like, yeah, of course it's

824
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: palpable how much people hate them, how much what's going on?

825
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: Of course they're struggling to hire, of course, they're all

826
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: wearing masks because they're fucking terrified they're going to be docs,

827
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, like they know that they're hated. Yeah, but

828
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: that's also a double edge shore because I think knowing

829
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: that everybody hates you anyway, well, that's just also sometimes

830
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: going to make you even more violent because you don't

831
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: care anymore.

832
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I think the traditional social movement

833
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: gambit has been like the more people can see how

834
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: violent they are, the more people will go out to

835
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: resist them. And I think right now we're in this

836
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: scenario where because of the sort of media blackout and

837
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: like the media bubble let's input around this, it just

838
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: hasn't been getting out the things that they've been doing.

839
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: And I think that is also a thing that you

840
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 3: random listener can do things about in terms of like

841
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: hey help people, you know that, Like, yeah, there's like

842
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: aking a federal occupation of a city and they're like

843
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: dragging naked children screaming from their homes, like tearing them

844
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 3: away from their parents. Like that's a thing that you can, like,

845
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: that's the thing you could directly do. That is a

846
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: very very low lift.

847
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also countering this like national guard misdirection thing

848
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: that is just like constantly going on where it's like

849
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: every fucking two days, Trump and Pittsburgh are arguing about

850
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred troops coming to town who are

851
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: essentially just infrastructure for ICE. They might block some roads,

852
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: but like they're not the main threat.

853
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Do you have anything else that you want

854
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 3: to tell people? And then also, where can people find

855
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: and support your work as you go hopefully not get

856
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: shot again.

857
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: Well, I I've resigned myself to the fact that I

858
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: get shot again, but they can find us at Unraveled

859
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: on all the social platforms, you know, Unraveled, press, dot com.

860
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: And I think the only other thing I want to

861
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: say is, you know, as bleak as this episode sounded,

862
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: we do have to keep the fighting spirit alive and

863
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: not just like, yeah, resign ourselves to total dumerism. We

864
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: have the moral high grounds here, like we are doing

865
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: the right thing and they are not. Yeah, and we

866
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: can win this.

867
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Speaker 3: I want to close on the story that came to

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Speaker 3: mind when you said that, which was the story of

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Speaker 3: the liberation of Turin in World War Two, where Turin

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Speaker 3: was like, you know, like one of the great industrial

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Speaker 3: cities of Italy and it's directly under the occupation of

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Speaker 3: the Nazis. By the end of the war and ahead

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Speaker 3: of the Allied advance, the city plans in uprising and

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Speaker 3: the SS commander who is running the city explicitly tells them,

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Speaker 3: if you like, if you do this, we will turn

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Speaker 3: this into another warsaw And they do it anyways, and

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Speaker 3: they beat them. All of these factory workers who had

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Speaker 3: guns smuggled in successfully do an uprising and defeat like

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Speaker 3: an SS panzer division and just kick the shit out

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Speaker 3: of them and liberate Turmin. And you know, those were

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Speaker 3: people facing odds that were so much worse than the

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Speaker 3: ones they were facing today. They were facing a straight

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Speaker 3: up military occupation by the SS. And they beat them

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Speaker 3: and they've freed themselves. And you know, history is replete

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Speaker 3: with dictators who thought that their occupations would last forever

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Speaker 3: until one day the Americans were withdrawing from Iraq, and

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Speaker 3: the only thing that's eternal is their fear of the uprising.

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Speaker 3: They will want to destroy them.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to a very special episode of It Could Happen Here,

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Speaker 6: reporting live from the sunny beaches of Riad, I'm Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 6: This episode joined by Mia Wong, James Stout and presenting

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Speaker 6: our special report.

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Speaker 2: Robert Evans, I am so happy to talk about our

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Speaker 2: favorite time of the year, which is of course the

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Speaker 2: Riod Comedy Festival, which occurs from September twenty sixth to

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Speaker 2: October ninth.

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Speaker 6: It's the highlight of my year each year.

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Speaker 2: Happy to say all of Cool Zone will be there

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Speaker 2: performing in Riod, immediately getting arrested. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: really good, very much excited, like all of your comedy favorites.

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00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: Dave Chappelle, Bill Burr asas En. Sorry, we will be

902
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: getting paid hundreds of thousands or over a million dollars

903
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Speaker 2: to pretend that the Saudi regime does not execute dissidence reporters,

904
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Speaker 2: civil rights activists, whoever, and doesn't run a torture prison. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that that's what's happening this week. There's been a

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Speaker 2: big backlash against a bunch of very prominent comedians.

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Speaker 3: Louis c.

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Speaker 2: K it looks like a mix of guys. Okay, not

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Speaker 2: surprised David Chappelle. I'm surprised that old David Chappelle would

910
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Speaker 2: do this, but I'm not surprised that current David Chappelle

911
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Speaker 2: would do this.

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Speaker 6: Bilbert is disappointing.

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Speaker 2: Bilbert is disappointing that one hurts. Moe Ahmer, who is

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Speaker 2: a Palestinian American comedian who lives in Houston, has also

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Speaker 2: agreed to go to Riad and form not great.

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Speaker 6: Comrade Shane Gillis declined the offer.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, she and.

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Speaker 2: Gillis said yes and then said no. Let's be real

919
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Speaker 2: fucking clear on what Shane Gillis did. Okay, I believe

920
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Speaker 2: he's the one that said yes and then said no.

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Speaker 2: You get you get a variety of responses from people

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Speaker 2: who were invited to this fucking thing. And I'll make

923
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Speaker 2: it clear kind of where my moral line stands. I

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Speaker 2: don't actually believe it's inherently wrong to perform inside the

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Speaker 2: bounds of any country. It kind of depends on what

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Speaker 2: you're doing and how you do it, and this is

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Speaker 2: the wrong way to do it, because these are not

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Speaker 2: just people. If someone had just shown up at a

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Speaker 2: nightclub in Saudi Arabia to do a stand up set,

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Speaker 2: I don't particularly care about that, even though there are

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Speaker 2: lesma jest laws like I wouldn't care if someone did

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Speaker 2: a stand up comedy set that couldn't make fun of

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Speaker 2: the King of Thailand, right, which is a crime in Thailand. Yeah,

934
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Speaker 2: you know, people perform in parts of the world that

935
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Speaker 2: have different or bad laws. The US has bad laws.

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Speaker 3: We do bad things.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's inherently evil to just perform at

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Speaker 2: a random club there, which is not what the people

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Speaker 2: who are performing at the Yadd Comedy Festival are doing.

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Speaker 2: This whole convention is being put on by a guy

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Speaker 2: named Turkey, I'll shake. Turkey is the chairman of the

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Speaker 2: General Entertainment Authority, which is a Saudi government department. He

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Speaker 2: grew up with Mohammad Ben Salmon playing League of Legends,

944
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Speaker 2: and he's kind of like key to Ben Salomon's plan

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Speaker 2: to like make Saudi Arabia cool, to like bring it

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Speaker 2: into the global entertainment and like social network without moderning

947
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Speaker 2: its laws or allowing people to, you know, make fun

948
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Speaker 2: of Mohamed Ben Salmon or his friends for an idea

949
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Speaker 2: of the kind of dude who hired Bill Burr and

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Speaker 2: all of these other guys and paid them so much money.

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Speaker 2: There is an entire wing of the All Higher Prison

952
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Speaker 2: called the Tutu Wing, which references al Shak's nickname Tutu,

953
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Speaker 2: where prisoners that he specifically pointed out. Often people who

954
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Speaker 2: made fun of him or made jokes that he did

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Speaker 2: not appreciate are put in tortured. This guy has an

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Speaker 2: entire torture prison named after him. That is who's writing

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Speaker 2: checks to fucking Pete Davidson, whose dad died in Night eleven.

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Speaker 2: H Fuck, it's fucking shocking the fact that Pete Davidson

959
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Speaker 2: is at this thing, and he has been He's been

960
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: like questioned about it, and his answer, basically, I'll say

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Speaker 2: this repeat, was basically like, yeah, but there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of money, right, And I'm separating in my head to

963
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Speaker 2: a degree. I think it's bad to take money from

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Speaker 2: the Saudi government to do something like this that is

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Speaker 2: being used to like whitewash their human rights record to

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Speaker 2: make them look like cool part of global society, even

967
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Speaker 2: as they this week executed another journalist. I think that's bad.

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Speaker 2: I think it's worse if you're someone who stood for something.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't change my opinion about THEO Vaughn, who sucks

970
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, he'll take money from Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: He's a huge asshole. I'm just I'm not surprised, right,

972
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Speaker 2: And there's some other guys in this that I'm not

973
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Speaker 2: necessarily like shocked about.

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Speaker 8: Did you see theo Von's beef with Ice this week?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Does theovon have beef with Ice this week?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: They use video of him without his consent in one

978
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Speaker 8: of their marketing videos.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Great.

980
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: So Jim Jeffries on August one on Theovon's podcast to

981
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Speaker 2: talk about agreeing to do this show, and he said

982
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Speaker 2: one reporter was killed by the government. Unfortunate, but not

983
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Speaker 2: a fucking hill that I'm gonna die on, and argued

984
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: that freedom of speech machines like himself would do good

985
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Speaker 2: by like, you know, making jokes in Saudi Arabia and

986
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: key in the men on the freedom of speech thing. Basically,

987
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: it'll be in net positive for freedom if I go

988
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: speak at this thing. And in the funniest possible follow up,

989
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Speaker 2: he was removed from the festival lineup because he acknowledged

990
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: that they killed a reporter and that you can't even

991
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Speaker 2: do that on your own fucking podcast or fucking theo

992
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 2: Vod's goddamn podcast. I want to play a video clip

993
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: of Tim Dillon, because Tim Dillon is another guy who

994
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: agreed to show up and perform at this this fucking

995
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: nightmare event, and Dylan is why we know kind of

996
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: how much money is on the table at this thing,

997
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: because he has said that he was paid three hundred

998
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Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand. He was offered three hundred seventy

999
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: five thousand for one performance to be there. He said

1000
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Speaker 2: the kind of the lowest number people were being offered

1001
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: was about one hundred and fifty thousand, and the most

1002
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: like highly paid people were being offered up to one

1003
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Speaker 2: point six million dollars. So I mean it's possible see

1004
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: people were getting more than that, but I'm guessing that's

1005
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: closer to like where the Bill Burrs and the Dave

1006
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 2: Chappelle you're getting right like in the one point six million.

1007
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 2: So these guys were offered an insane amount of money.

1008
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Speaker 2: And Tim Dillon went on and like talked about this

1009
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Speaker 2: on a podcast, talked about like why he agreed to

1010
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Speaker 2: do it, and defended and it's very funny. He like

1011
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: brought up like slavery in Saudi Arabia, because Saudi Arabia

1012
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 2: has slaves as a way to like to segue into

1013
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: a defense of why it's fine for him to do this,

1014
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 2: And this is just one of the funniest things I've

1015
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: ever heard, Well.

1016
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Speaker 10: They have slaves, then they kill everyone. Hey hey, hey,

1017
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 10: hey hey hey, get over it. Get over it?

1018
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 7: So what.

1019
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: So what they have slaves? So what my friend, I

1020
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: not a friend, somebody I don't even know.

1021
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 10: I bumped into them in Tribeca and he goes, I

1022
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 10: would never do that because I don't want to interact

1023
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 10: with slaves.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well why not.

1025
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 10: They'd be deferential, right, I mean, I imagine the slaves

1026
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 10: in those countries are good at what they do.

1027
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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's that's the clip. I just wanted to

1028
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 2: have one of the most Yeah, and it got him

1029
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: fired from the show. He's good bending them, he's big,

1030
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: like slavery's not so bad, and he's still got fired.

1031
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Speaker 6: That's the insane. That's like, yeah, it's nuts. Oh my god,

1032
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 6: Like it's really bad. To cleanse our minds of whatever

1033
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Speaker 6: that was. Here's an ad break.

1034
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: Okay, we're back, Robert.

1035
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: The degree to which everyone involved in this has just

1036
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 2: nuked whatever credibility they had is shocking. I want to

1037
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Speaker 2: read you a quote from Bill Burr in January of twenty.

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Speaker 3: Ten to make me sad.

1039
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Speaker 2: This is from a set he did at the time.

1040
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 2: This him talking about Beyonce. Uh, she's out there singing

1041
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: about girl power, telling you to put a ring on it,

1042
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: all that crap. And then what she does, She takes

1043
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 2: a million bucks to go sing at some private party

1044
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 2: for Gadafi's kid, Momar Kadaffi, you know, the guy who's

1045
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: been blowing stuff up and running a dictatorship forever. Like,

1046
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: what the hell you're gonna jet off to Saint Bart

1047
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: shake your ass for some terrorist dictator's family, pawking a million,

1048
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: and then go back to preaching about empowerment. Come on, man,

1049
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: that's the hypocrisy of this whole thing. These celebrities, they'll

1050
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: take any gig if the check's big enough. It's like, oh,

1051
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm all about the people, until some crazy dictator weaves

1052
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: a stack of cash and then it's where's my private jet?

1053
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

1054
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 6: This nus, Yes, Bill, it is fucks. This sucks to

1055
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 6: be a Bill Bard defender for you. I notice truly

1056
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 6: the first, the first actual stain on Bill Bear's legacy.

1057
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Speaker 2: That's a very good comedian.

1058
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 8: That's quite a remarkable fucking stain.

1059
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Speaker 3: Gold Comedians are evil. It's just it's that easy he address.

1060
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Speaker 2: It's you know part of it is that and if all. Unfortunately,

1061
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: I kind of think the response of some of the

1062
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: scumbags in comedy has been fair with its like, man,

1063
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: it was too much money. It's just a shitload of money.

1064
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: Like I'll do fucked up shit for a crazy amount

1065
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: of money, and it's like that's bad, but at least

1066
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: you're honest. Bill's response to this was like, it was

1067
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Speaker 2: great to experience that part of the world, to be

1068
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Speaker 2: part of the first comedy festival over there in Saudi Arabia.

1069
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Speaker 2: The royals loved the show. Everybody one was happy. The

1070
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: people that were doing the festival were thrilled. The comedians

1071
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: that I've been talking to are saying, dude, you can

1072
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: feel that the audience wanted it. They wanted to see

1073
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Speaker 2: real stand up comedy. It was a mind blowing experience.

1074
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Speaker 2: Definitely top three experiences I've had. I think it's going

1075
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: to lead to a lot of positive things now. He

1076
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Speaker 2: did talk a little bit about like the rules that

1077
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Speaker 2: they had to bye bye and said that like when

1078
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: they were first handing around contracts, he pushed back and

1079
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: was like or people pushed back, or like comedians didn't

1080
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: were like, you can't have all these restrictions and that

1081
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Speaker 2: they whittled them down to just a couple of things,

1082
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: which Bill sums up as don't make fun of royals

1083
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: and religion right now, as pointed out by the fact

1084
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: that Tim Dillon got canceled for talking positively about slavery

1085
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: and the there were more restrictions than that. I do

1086
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: want to read from a Hollywood Reporter article talking about

1087
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: like Bill's response to this, because it gets even worse

1088
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: than what I've read already. Bill first described going to

1089
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: the island country of Bahrain, which is more socially liberal

1090
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: than Saudi Arabia, where a customs agent immediately clocked his

1091
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: anxiety about doing stand up in the region and gave

1092
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: him grief about it. When I was landing in Bahrain,

1093
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: like I'm fucking nervous, right, and then the agent says,

1094
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: you tell jokes about the Middle East, you think you're

1095
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: going to come over here and get beheaded. Right after

1096
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: a successful show in Bahrain, Burr was at a bar

1097
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: where he was watching interactions among locals and decided, I'm like,

1098
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: they're just like us. I don't speak the language, but

1099
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: I get it. When he flew to Saudi Arabia, Burr's

1100
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: nervousness crept back, but he was struck by the amount

1101
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: of local Western influence. You think everyone's going to be

1102
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: screaming death to America and they're going to have fucking

1103
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: machetes and want to chop my head off, right, because

1104
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: this is what I've been fed about that part of

1105
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: the world. I thought this place was going to be

1106
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: really tense, and I'm thinking, like, is that a Starbucks

1107
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: next to a Pieza Hut, next to a Burger King

1108
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: next to McDonald's. They've got a fucking chili and yes, man,

1109
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: they have stores. In the Middle East, you can.

1110
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 11: Restaurants that specific combination of kun like the Saudi is

1111
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 11: the reason the current government of ba Raid is in

1112
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 11: power is because the Saudis rolled tanks across the border

1113
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 11: to crush the uprising.

1114
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: There were twenty eleven like hideous.

1115
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: There's so much that's fucked up just being like, well

1116
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: to prepare for abiding by the laws of the fucking

1117
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: royal family of Saudi Arabia. I went to Bahrain like

1118
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: like that.

1119
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 8: They're not the same place, no, Like, yeah, I wanted

1120
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 8: to check out some brown Muslin people. Turns out that

1121
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 8: people like that seems to be the gist of what

1122
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 8: he's saying, and they like pizza too.

1123
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Speaker 3: Fuck me.

1124
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: You could go to again like Iraq and perform in

1125
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Speaker 2: fucking uh. Yeah, you go to an ideal and it's nice.

1126
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: It's nice, and you're not going to be performing at

1127
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: the behest of the fucked up government, right, You'll just

1128
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: be performing in a country with the fucked up government.

1129
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: And there is a difference.

1130
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1131
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm not angry at the idea that some rando might

1132
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: like perform at a nightclub in Saudi Arabia. The problem

1133
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: is that you're performing at the behest of the Saudi government,

1134
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: at the behest of the regime.

1135
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a different thing.

1136
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: I do think there's an argument for like, well, people

1137
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: in countries with fucked up governments deserve to laugh. That

1138
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have to take the money from their

1139
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: fucked up government and say nice things about their fucked

1140
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: up government like Kevin Hart just did. Because Kevin Hart

1141
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: was also a part of this show, and he posted

1142
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: a video on TikTok talking about how fucking awesome Saudi

1143
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: Royal Turkey Al Shake is, and Turkey Al Shake has

1144
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: now been sharing that video on all of his social

1145
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: media accounts like you're holding water for people for a

1146
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: guy he was a wing in a torture prison named

1147
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: after him. That crosses a line for me. You know,

1148
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 2: when we're talking about entertainment, we're talking about being ad

1149
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: support all this stuff. There's compromises that everyone makes in

1150
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: this business. There's compromises in what company you fucking work with,

1151
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: right Like, if you're talking about, you know, make it

1152
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: a TV show for Amazon's TV division or Disney's you know,

1153
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: fucking streaming division, right, well, there's a degree of moral

1154
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: compromise there, and I think, depending on what you're doing

1155
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: and what not, can be justified by the fact that

1156
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: number one, like that's just the way television works. There's

1157
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: no working with anyone completely clean in a company that

1158
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: has the ability to fund, you know, a production like that,

1159
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: but taking money directly from the hands of the guy

1160
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: with the torture prison, I think that crosses a line.

1161
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: I think that crosses the line for a free speech activist.

1162
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: It should across the line for Pete Davidson, who's dad

1163
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: died at nine to eleven, but.

1164
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: She's apparently not. That is a wild one.

1165
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: That's the craziest one to me, that Davidson went over

1166
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: to Saudi Arabia. Oh man, are you gonna it's just

1167
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: mom sit on the scene. Oh man, she's probably getting

1168
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: a lot of money if she is, So it's fine.

1169
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: It's fine. I don't know like how much. And it

1170
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: is one of those things I get the people who

1171
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, but you know, the US is fucked

1172
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: up to and it is. And so if somebody is

1173
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: getting paid directly by the Trump regime to perform at

1174
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: the White House, I'd say pretty fucked up. But like,

1175
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's immoral to perform at like a

1176
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 2: nightclub in fucking Chicago, you know.

1177
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, And none of us are going to Guantanamo Bay

1178
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 8: to like entertain the fucking prison.

1179
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 6: Guards, right, Like, yeah, well hopefully none of us will

1180
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 6: be going to Guantanamo Bay for any reason. As long

1181
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 6: as we keep playing these ads, we're back.

1182
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: I want to talk about this from the Saudi perspective,

1183
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 3: because they have been doing really for the last half

1184
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: a decade, a fallout pr blitz. Right, We've seen this

1185
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: in WWE. We've seen this with a whole bunch of

1186
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 3: professional sports stuff. Like most of the esports is run

1187
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: out of the esports World Cup in Saudi Arabia. Now

1188
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: like the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund just helped Jared Kushner

1189
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: buy EA, right, just like one of the largest video

1190
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: game companies in the world. Right, they've been, you know,

1191
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 3: they've been doing this sort of whole sportsw washing strategy

1192
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 3: of using these things to sort of normalize, normalize the regime.

1193
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 3: And I think the actual genius of this right was

1194
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 3: not that you can buy legitimacy with like sports and

1195
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: with comedians. The genius of it was that they were

1196
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: able to control the backlash because they ensured the backlash

1197
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: to it would be done by sports journalists and entertainment

1198
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 3: journalists who don't know anything about the Saudis and thus

1199
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: assumed that the Saudis were attempting to whitewash their, you know,

1200
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 3: horrific domestic human rights record, and they were to some extent.

1201
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: But even focusing on the Saudis domestic human rights record

1202
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: is a victory for the Saudist because it means that

1203
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 3: nobody's talking about the stuff people were talking about last

1204
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 3: decade when they talked about the Saudis, which was things like,

1205
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 3: for example, the Sudanese child soldiers that they were deploying

1206
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 3: in their war and Yemen, and these Sudanese child soldiers

1207
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 3: were drawn from their connections bolstered by the UAE to

1208
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 3: the Sudanese Rapid Support Forces, a group that is almost

1209
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: entirely composed of the militias who did the genocide and

1210
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 3: dart four. So these are the round troops that they're

1211
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 3: deploying in Yemen, are as Sudanese child soldiers drawn from

1212
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: the people who did the genocide in Darfur in twenty eighteen,

1213
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 3: which was not that long ago, Like I remember twenty eighteen,

1214
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: So do you statistically if you're listening to the show

1215
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: they carried out an airstrike on a school bus that

1216
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: killed twenty six children, right, no one is talking about

1217
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 3: the air strikes on funerals that they absolutely love to do, like,

1218
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 3: for example, there was a huge one in twenty sixteen

1219
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: where they killed one hundred and forty people in one

1220
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: air strike, after which the area was described by a

1221
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 3: rescue worker as a quote lake of blood. And this

1222
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 3: has been the really successful thing about about the Saudi

1223
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 3: specifically targeting sports, specifically targeting entertainment, is that the people

1224
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: covering this do not know anything about Saudi Arabia. Right,

1225
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 3: And this is also partially what was going on Bill

1226
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 3: Burv because they're just racists or their attempt could do

1227
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 3: a backlash, and they're trying to do a backlash with

1228
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: things like Okay, they killed a journalist, which is really bad, right,

1229
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: But like Jamal Kashogi was one guy out of thousands

1230
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 3: and thousands in thousands of people that they were killing

1231
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 3: and are continuing to kill to this day in Yemen. Right.

1232
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: And this is one of the reasons people have been

1233
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: able to get away with this, right, is that no

1234
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: one has been walking up to them and going, what

1235
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 3: do you think about the Sudanese child soldiers? Because nobody

1236
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 3: knows about any of that. And this is one of

1237
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: the thing that I want to just say at the

1238
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 3: end of this, which is I know for a fact

1239
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: that journalists and editors listen to this show and please,

1240
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: for the love of God, find someone who knows literally

1241
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: anything about the Saudis war and Yemen and have them

1242
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 3: write this piece on sportswashing for you, literally anyone. And

1243
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: this is what this is what makes me insane about

1244
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: all this coverage is that like, if you even a

1245
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: little bit paid attention to what they were doing in

1246
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 3: the twenty tens and what they're continuing to do now

1247
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 3: in Yemen. You know about so many even I'm not

1248
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 3: even I'm not even talking about the starvation genocide here.

1249
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: There are so many things that they did, you know.

1250
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 3: And like one of the common defenses is like, oh,

1251
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 3: like you know, like we live in the US as

1252
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: the fucked up country, right, Like who cares about authoritarianism?

1253
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: Just like, I don't know, it's harder to make that

1254
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 3: argument when it's about Sudanese child soldiers.

1255
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: Well, and it's just again, we're not pissed because some

1256
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: guy performed at a nightclub in Riyad. It's it's that

1257
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: you're taking money from the government to whitewash the government.

1258
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: No, it's because they took money for the governments. All

1259
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 3: these all of these things, all of these all of

1260
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 3: like wwe like all of these sports events, these are

1261
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: funded directly by the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund, which is

1262
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 3: the wealth fund of the Saudi government. The people who

1263
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 3: were dropping bombs on school buses and sending child soldiers

1264
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 3: to fight their warren Yemmen.

1265
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, there has been some good reporting on sportswashing. I

1266
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 8: would say like Ian Trello's done some excellent stuff.

1267
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: The Guardian has a good article on this where they

1268
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: really coalate some of like the very worst responses, written

1269
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: by Seth Simon. So I liked that this does seem

1270
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: to be blowing up. Hollywood Reporters piece was pretty good.

1271
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 8: Too, Hollywood Report to My friend was the editor of

1272
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 8: that publication for years, and they have consistently done some

1273
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 8: stuff that we wouldn't expect looking at the title of publication.

1274
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to be silly enough to be

1275
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: like I think this is going to cost any of

1276
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: these people their career because it's I don't think it is.

1277
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: But it does seem to be causing them some embarrassment.

1278
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: Uh So I don't know.

1279
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean they get called out, it shamed like

1280
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 8: it's Yeah, it's a pretty shameful thing to do.

1281
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 2: It's a shameful thing to do. It's a bummer. I

1282
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: wish people had not made these choices because man, it's depressing.

1283
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1284
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,280
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Speaker 6: you next year in Hungary. Goodbye everybody. This is it

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Speaker 6: could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. On the morning of Sunday,

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Speaker 6: September twenty eighth, a forty year old man drove a

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Speaker 6: pickup truck into a Grand Blanc, Michigan church. The man

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Speaker 6: started shooting people inside and then set the church on fire,

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Speaker 6: burning the building down. Four churchgoers died, eight others were

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Speaker 6: injured but have survived, and police killed the shooter on

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Speaker 6: the scene. The President, the Vice president, and the rest

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Speaker 6: of the right were quick to call this yet quote

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Speaker 6: another targeted attack on Christians in the United States, to

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Speaker 6: quote Trump on truth social White House Press Secretary Carolyn

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Speaker 6: Leavitt went on Fox and Friends the day after the

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Speaker 6: shooting and said.

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Speaker 1: This, it's unfathomable and as the President rightfully put in

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Speaker 1: his true social yesterday, this appears to be yet another

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Speaker 1: targeted attacked on Christians.

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Speaker 6: As the church was still burning, right wing podcaster Betty Johnson,

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Speaker 6: who recently rode with Ice in Chicago, posted on x

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Speaker 6: the everything app quote church is on fire, Christianity is

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Speaker 6: under attack. Pray unquote what Betty Johnson neglected to mention

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Speaker 6: this was a Mormon church, And pretty soon it became

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Speaker 6: clear the attacker was not some transgender leftist ANTIFA, but

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Speaker 6: a Christian Trump supporter who thought Mormon's were quote unquote

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Speaker 6: the anti christ. According to Burton City council candidate Chris Johns,

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Speaker 6: who claims to have spoken with the shooter just days

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Speaker 6: prior while canvassing, one of the shooter's friends told The

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Speaker 6: New York Times that the shooter believed that the Mormons

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Speaker 6: quote are going to take over the world unquote. This

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Speaker 6: guy obsessively talked about his dislike of Mormon's stemming from

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Speaker 6: a breakup with a Mormon girlfriend over a decade ago.

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Speaker 6: After the background of this shooter and his apparent motive

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Speaker 6: became more clear, the Trump dmen quite quickly stopped talking

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Speaker 6: about this specific attack, save for vague references to attacks

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Speaker 6: on Christianity. But this attack was more deadly than any

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Speaker 6: recent school shooting or any instance of targeted violence which

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Speaker 6: the administration has been framed as political violence happening this year.

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Speaker 6: After the shooter was identified, rather than talk about his

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Speaker 6: apparent motive, people online argued about his political orientation. A

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Speaker 6: picture spread online of him wearing a Trump twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: camo shirt that read make Liberals Cry Again. The right

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Speaker 6: wing outlet The Daily Caller attacked Democrat Representative Eric Swalwell

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Speaker 6: for posting a photo of that shirt, claiming that the

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Speaker 6: Trump graphic was photoshopped, with The Daily Caller sharing a

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Speaker 6: version of the shirt that they alleged to be the

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Speaker 6: original unedited photo without the Trump graphic. Except that version

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Speaker 6: without the Trump graphic is in fact the doctored photo.

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Speaker 6: The Trump one is the authentic version. Right Wing users

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Speaker 6: on x the Everything app spread a list of political

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Speaker 6: donations to progressive organizations that they attributed to the shooter,

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Speaker 6: as well as a screenshot of a Twitter account with

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Speaker 6: a bio that read politically Active Democratic Socialist. Except that

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Speaker 6: account and those donations were from a completely different person,

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Speaker 6: just with a similar name. Now, just because it's pretty

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Speaker 6: clear that this shooter supported Trump doesn't mean that we

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Speaker 6: should frame this as partisan political violence. This was a

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Speaker 6: classic American shooting. A marine veteran who moved to Utah

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Speaker 6: after getting back from Iraq, got involved with a Mormon woman,

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Speaker 6: had negative experiences with the Mormon Church, moved to Michigan,

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Speaker 6: but continued to have very strong anti Mormon sentiments which

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Speaker 6: he held until he acted on those sentiments' lead to

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Speaker 6: his death and the deaths of four other people. And

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Speaker 6: extremely tragic yet extremely American sequence of events. But the

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Speaker 6: conversation and coverage surrounding this Mormon Church shooting is such

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Speaker 6: an open display of this game of picking and choosing

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Speaker 6: shootings to care about and then which can be weaponized

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Speaker 6: against political enemies. Former Assistant FBI Director Chris Swecker went

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Speaker 6: on Fox News to discuss this shooting, where he laid

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Speaker 6: blame on politicians rhetoric calling people Nazis.

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Speaker 9: So, you know, this is a situation of you find

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Speaker 9: a manufactured grievance, if you will, and that a whole

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Speaker 9: lot of stimulus from from people either on the Internet

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Speaker 9: or even politicians.

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Speaker 1: Theyrre responsible politicians.

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Speaker 2: We all know who they are.

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Speaker 9: You know, they're talking about Nazis and anarchists and existential threats.

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Speaker 9: You know they need to crawl back into their dark places.

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Speaker 9: These people are out there. That has to be taken

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Speaker 9: into account when you start firing off.

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Speaker 6: Your mouth that simply has nothing to do with this

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Speaker 6: specific attack. But both politicians and the media have this

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Speaker 6: obsession with only talking about shooters insofar as they can

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Speaker 6: try to identify a shooter's orientation towards a political party

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Speaker 6: and then weaponize that suspected orientation against political opponents by

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Speaker 6: trying to frame every deranged shooter as emblematic of the

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Speaker 6: oppositional political project. Following Charlie Kirk's assassination and the media

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Speaker 6: blitz around it, fellow far right commentator Stephen Crowder has

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Speaker 6: revived his long dormant college debate series Change My Mind Now,

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Speaker 6: with the prompt they left is violent propagandists collapse political

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Speaker 6: violence into a simple binary, which is just a very

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 6: limited way in trying to actually understand public acts of violence,

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Speaker 6: the idea that things can only happen because of of ideologies,

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Speaker 6: not downstream of personal experiences, material conditions, or class This year,

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Speaker 6: there's been one other target attack that ties the Mormon

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Speaker 6: Church shooting for the highest fatalities in attacks this year,

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Speaker 6: and that was the Midtown Manhattan mass shooting in July,

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Speaker 6: where the gunmen attempted to shoot up the NFL offices,

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Speaker 6: motivated by getting CTE from playing football in high school.

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Speaker 6: No clear ideological motivations here. Lots of shooters aren't typically

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Speaker 6: ideological in like the ordinary political sense. The only recent

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Speaker 6: shooter that could be accurately categorized as quote unquote leftist

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Speaker 6: is the former PSL member who assassinated two Israeli embassy

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Speaker 6: staffers in May of twenty twenty five. Now, under no

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Speaker 6: circumstances do you have to hand it to Bill Maherr.

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Speaker 6: But this exchange between him and Ben Shapiro, just two

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Speaker 6: days after the char Turk assassination, demonstrates this point about

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Speaker 6: how media and politicians only understand and weaponize public acts

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Speaker 6: of violence through ideology, long before we have any actual

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Speaker 6: clear indication on what motivated a shooter to commit an attack.

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Speaker 12: There's a shooting at a synagogue, it is very likely

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Speaker 12: to be either a white supremacist or a radical Muslim.

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Speaker 12: If it is shooting of a Republican politician, it is

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Speaker 12: very likely to be a trans Antifa marxishuan Is.

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Speaker 3: We don't know. We don't know what this kid is. Wait,

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Speaker 3: we do know this kid was of the left. We

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Speaker 3: do know that we do know what that this kid

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Speaker 3: was of the political left.

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Speaker 12: That is according to contemporarious reporting from The Guardian as

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Speaker 12: well as tablet magazines.

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Speaker 5: Today it's two days out. We don't know shit, but

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Speaker 5: here we don't know shit.

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Speaker 3: They never do.

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Speaker 5: The Internet is undefeated in getting it wrong to begin with.

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Speaker 2: It's not about the Internet.

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Speaker 3: That's about the that's about.

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Speaker 12: The actual reporting by mainstream except the Guardian is not

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Speaker 12: right wing.

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Speaker 5: Here's what I here's what we heard. Here's what I

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Speaker 5: was told so far, And I'll tell you what was wrong.

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Speaker 5: First I heard he's a registered Republican not not true.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Then he was a donor de Trump not true. His

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Speaker 5: father works in the sheriff's office, not true. There was

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Speaker 5: a picture I'm wearing a pro Trump shirt not true.

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Speaker 5: A member of the Democratic Socialists of America not true.

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Speaker 4: We don't know what he is.

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Speaker 3: Well, how are you so sure he's of the left?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: I agree? When you right on a bullet.

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Speaker 4: What did he write on the.

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Speaker 3: Bullet catches fascist? Which is also a gamer thing? Okay?

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Speaker 5: But now I'm hearing he may have been part of

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Speaker 5: that group for whom Charlie Kirk was not right wing enough.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I mean so that you're sure he's not that

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Speaker 12: I'm not sure that he's not there you were was

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Speaker 12: hold on, hold on, no, hold on, okay, because.

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Speaker 6: I've Another thing that can be tricky to understand is

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Speaker 6: just because the target of violence is as a political

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01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 6: figure does not mean that it's political violence. The attempted

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Speaker 6: assassination of Ronald Reagan is a key example of this,

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Speaker 6: and for the Kirk assassination, available evidence points towards more

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Speaker 6: of a personal motivation based on romantic attraction on a

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Speaker 6: dog day afternoon over any larger partisan political motivation. It

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Speaker 6: doesn't even make sense to view the first attempted Trump

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Speaker 6: assassination as political violence. Thomas Crooks searched online for a

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Speaker 6: variety of events to commit a shooting at. In the

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Speaker 6: month prior to the shooting, he did more than sixty

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Speaker 6: internet searches related to Biden, Trump and information about the

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Speaker 6: upcoming DNC and RNC conventions. Donald Trump's campaign event in Butler,

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Speaker 6: Pennsylvania just happened to fall into the right place at

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Speaker 6: the right time. The mass killer obsessed school shooter from

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Speaker 6: last August who shot two kids at a Catholic school

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Speaker 6: in Minneapolis, which the right branded as a trans terrorist

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Speaker 6: originally planned to do the shooting at a small LGBTQ

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Speaker 6: music venue, but feared that trans girls attending the concert

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Speaker 6: would be armed for self defense. As I've previously reported

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Speaker 6: on this show, this shooting bared similarity to TCC or

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Speaker 6: True Crime community, not as in true crime podcasts, but

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Speaker 6: an online community of usually young people obsessed with school

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Speaker 6: shooters or mass shooters, akin to neo columnbiners, who encourage

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Speaker 6: each other online to then commit their own acts of

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Speaker 6: violence inspired by or replicating those of previous school shootings

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Speaker 6: or mass shootings. This pseudo mass shooter fandom demonstrates the

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Speaker 6: extent to which the role of quote unquote the shooter

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Speaker 6: can be its own motivating force, beyond any culture, war

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Speaker 6: issues or ordinary partisan politics that might get sprinkled on

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Speaker 6: top as seasoning. On Wednesday, September twenty fourth, the twenty

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Speaker 6: nine year old open fire with a bolt action rifle

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Speaker 6: targeting an ICE Field office in Dallas, Texas. This attack

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Speaker 6: claimed the lives of three immigrants who were detained by Ice.

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Speaker 6: In a copycat style following the Kirk assassination and the

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Speaker 6: United Healthcare CEO assassination. This shooter allegedly wrote anti ice

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Speaker 6: on unfired bullet casings. In the immediate wake of this attack,

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Speaker 6: the right attributed this shooting to the radical left and

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Speaker 6: blamed Democrat politicians for spreading anti ICE rhetoric. At a

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Speaker 6: North Carolina event, JD. Vance said, quote, Here's what happens

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Speaker 6: when Democrats like Gavin Newsom say these people are part

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Speaker 6: of an authoritarian government. When the left wing media lies

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Speaker 6: about what they're doing, when they lie about who they're arresting,

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01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 6: when they lie about the actual job of law enforcement,

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Speaker 6: what they are doing is encouraging crazy peaceopull to go

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Speaker 6: and commit violence. Here's a brief Fox News report.

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Speaker 3: We have a problem America.

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Speaker 13: We are living through a scourge of left wing political

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Speaker 13: violence that three weeks into this month has made it

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Speaker 13: bloody September today, another attack.

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Speaker 6: On ice as is not uncommon with mass shooters. This

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Speaker 6: guy was a registered independent, and the shooter's brother told

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Speaker 6: NBC News that he wasn't really interested in politics. I

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Speaker 6: find it highly unlikely that this millennial and other gen

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Speaker 6: Z shooters are regularly watching liberal news, getting their opinions

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Speaker 6: from politicians and news anchors on MSNBC or CNN. Journalist

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Speaker 6: Ken Klippenstein spoke with friends of this shooter, who described

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Speaker 6: him as a libertarian leaning four Chan edge lord who

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Speaker 6: hated both political parties and most mainstream politicians. Friends believed

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Speaker 6: that the bullet inscription could have been written as a

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Speaker 6: joke intended to rile people up. They told Klippenstein the

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Speaker 6: shooter became more isolated in recent years as friends drifted

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Speaker 6: away due to his continuous anti social edgelord behavior in

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Speaker 6: regular day to day interactions. Nancy Larson, the acting of

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Speaker 6: his attorney for the Northern District of Texas, said the

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Speaker 6: shooter left behind a writing where he referred to ICE

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Speaker 6: operations as human trafficking. Larsen says the shooter did not

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Speaker 6: mention any government agency besides ICE, but left a note

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Speaker 6: for police reading quote good luck with the digital footprint.

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Speaker 6: This shooter killed himself after the attack. These public acts

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01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 6: of violence usually have a suicidal component, a drive for

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01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 6: self annihilation while simultaneously gaining some final sense of meaning

1509
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 6: or purpose by crudely emblazoning yourself in history through a

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01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 6: violent act. What causes someone to do this can be

1511
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 6: a mix of many factors, including access to guns, individual motivations,

1512
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 6: social alienation, self annihilation in so far as there is

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01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 6: an overtly political element, it's often the result of a

1514
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 6: political alienation. Usually, the type of person who commits a

1515
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 6: bloody act of violence lacks a recognizably coherent political philosophy

1516
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 6: that can be easily grafted onto our Democrat Republican binary,

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01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 6: with there sometimes being a mix of political beliefs across

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01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 6: the left right spectrum. Mass shootings which are accompanied by

1519
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 6: express political motivations usually stem from anti Muslim or great

1520
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 6: replacement rhetoric, the idea that white people in Western culture

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01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 6: will slowly be replaced by brown immigrants. But throughout the

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01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 6: next three years, under Trump's federal government and the right

1523
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 6: wing anti woke backlash currently flexing dominance over our culture,

1524
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 6: nihilistic self destructive acts against American society may take a

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01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,919
Speaker 6: form which could be characterized as quote unquote left wing violence,

1526
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 6: despite most of these shooters being far from your average

1527
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 6: DNC acolyte or bread tube watching leftist. Considering the Mormon

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01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 6: church shooting, the Kirk assassination, the Iced Dtaee shooting, and

1529
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 6: the Minneapolis Catholic School shooting in the Year of Our

1530
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 6: Brain Rot twenty twenty five, I think it's pretty clear

1531
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 6: that the current US state apparatus does not need to

1532
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 6: stage false flags. The state just tries to take advantage

1533
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 6: of naturally emergent events, twisting them to fit narratives. In

1534
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 6: an ad hoc manipulation of consensus reality, no crude fabrication

1535
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 6: of physical reality is needed. They are more than happy

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 6: to simply pick and choose, and magnify and obscure various

1537
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 6: events to fit their preferred version of reality. The night

1538
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 6: before the shooting at the Mormon Church, another Iraq war

1539
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 6: veteran did a mass shooting in North Carolina, which did

1540
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 6: not result in nearly as many national headlines. The shooter

1541
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 6: targeted a waterfront bar, killing three people injuring six others.

1542
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,799
Speaker 6: The suspect rowed a boat up to the bar, fired

1543
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 6: with an ar mounted with a scope and silencer, before

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01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 6: speeding off on water. Police have also deemed this a

1545
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,839
Speaker 6: targeted attack, but without a tangential link to culture war issues,

1546
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 6: this event will be quickly forgotten. As I'm recording this episode,

1547
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 6: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced that he's launching undercover

1548
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 6: operations to infiltrate and uproot quote leftist terror cells in Texas.

1549
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 6: Leftist political terrorism is a clear and present ding there

1550
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,919
Speaker 6: can be no compromise with those who want us dead unquote.

1551
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 6: This mirrors President Trump's National Security Presdential Memorandum Number seven,

1552
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 6: which targets quote unquote, domestic terrorism indicators like anti Christianity,

1553
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 6: anti capitalism, anti Americanism, extremism on race, gender, immigration, and

1554
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 6: hostility towards traditional American values. All this partisan rhetoric on

1555
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 6: targeted violence and political violence is in service of authoritarian

1556
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 6: crackdowns and enhanced surveillance against their political opposition. Meanwhile, this

1557
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,719
Speaker 6: passed Saturday morning, the home of a South Carolina Circuit

1558
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 6: Court judge was burned down, hospitalizing her husband, a former

1559
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 6: state senator, and their son. The judge was out of

1560
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 6: the house at the time. Last month, the judge temporarily

1561
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 6: blocked a voter suppression executive order signed by President Trump.

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01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 6: In the weeks leading up to the fire, the judge

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01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 6: had received death threats. This has been it could happen here,

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01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 6: see you on the other.

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01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 3: Side, Well, can it could happen here? A podcast beset

1566
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 3: by horrors of such magnitude that sometimes you have to

1567
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 3: go back to a thing that you just talked about

1568
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 3: because there were more horrors in it. That you didn't

1569
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 3: have time to cover the first time you went through

1570
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 3: the horror, sorry, the first two times you went through

1571
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 3: the horse and with me to talk about the horrors?

1572
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 3: Is doctor cave Hoda, who is a doctor? I guess,

1573
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 3: as you probably could have guessed from the title. You know,

1574
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 3: I scripted this out very poorly. Uh oh, this is great,

1575
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 3: you're doing great, keep going, I say, scripted this out. Literally.

1576
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 3: The only part of this introduction that was in my

1577
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 3: notes was cave Hoda, doc you're at host of House

1578
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 3: of Pod and friend of the show, which was not

1579
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 3: in my notes either. But that's right, friend. The energy

1580
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 3: is chaotic today.

1581
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 14: Friend, Most importantly, it has to be that is the

1582
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 14: normal response to what is happening in this world. If

1583
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 14: we don't embrace a little chaos, then we will lose

1584
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 14: our minds.

1585
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 3: So I am. I am loving how this is going

1586
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 3: so far. I am so glad because there is so

1587
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 3: much chaos. One of the chaos things that we have

1588
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 3: been tracking, and that you spend a hideous amount of

1589
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 3: time tracking too much on your show.

1590
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 8: Too much.

1591
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not good, it's very bad. Please stop doing

1592
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 3: this stuff so we can all go back to doing

1593
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 3: normal things. In our lives.

1594
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 14: I would love to just do more fart jokes and

1595
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 14: episodes on poop, but people in power keep saying and

1596
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 14: doing terrible things. You have crazy, terrible things that make

1597
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 14: me feel like I'm losing my mind. So I have

1598
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 14: to keep doing this from Ultaris one because someone's got

1599
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 14: to talk about it too. It's sort of therapy for me, Like,

1600
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 14: if I just internalize this, I'm gonna I'm gonna be

1601
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 14: a miserable person.

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01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 3: So thanks, thanks for having me on. Yeah, I'm excited

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01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 3: to talk to you about well, Okay, see this Literally

1604
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 3: every single time I do an episode, it's like, I'm

1605
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 3: really excited to talk to you. And also, Jesus Christ,

1606
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 3: I wish we did not have to talk about this.

1607
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 3: That's how everyone feels. That's how my feel, that's feel

1608
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: when they see me. It's terrible. God, really, truly, we

1609
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: got to stop meeting like this. One day. We'll do

1610
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 3: a fun episode one day, and I swear to God. Okay,

1611
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 3: But the thing that I've been talking about that we've

1612
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 3: both been covering is basically the annihilation of the entire

1613
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 3: US medical establishment at the federal level. It is being

1614
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: systematically dismantled and One of the ways that's being sematically

1615
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 3: dismantled is that a bunch of people have been put

1616
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 3: in charge of it who are I mean two years ago,

1617
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 3: were fringe anti vaccine cranks and are now running like

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01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 3: the most sophisticated like public health institutions that have ever existed.

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01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 14: Yeah, as a producer extraordinaire, Sophie Liechttermann once said, you

1620
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 14: can't put a hater in charge of the thing that

1621
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 14: they hate the most. And that is what has happened,

1622
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 14: completely and fully, almost at every step of this government. Yeah,

1623
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 14: they find the person that hates it the most and

1624
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 14: they put that person in.

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01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 3: And you know, one of the big sort of I

1627
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 3: don't know if turning points is the right word, but

1628
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 3: one of the major events we've been covering from this

1629
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 3: was the announcement by Rfkjunior and Trump that they had

1630
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 3: found what causes autism and also ADHD too, which I

1631
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 3: got very little coverage. I think I said this last

1632
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 3: time I talked about this. It was very baffling. But

1633
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 3: there's just there was so much in that whole thing

1634
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: that I think a lot of the stuff kind of

1635
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 3: fell through the cracks inside of like, well, there was

1636
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 3: a lot. There was a lot to digest. There so much.

1637
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 3: There's so much, and so I guess I want to

1638
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 3: we wanted to talk about mostly the hepatitis B thing,

1639
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 3: but also just sort of the broader anti vax stuff

1640
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 3: that was in this before we get into I don't know,

1641
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 3: like the weirder, more boutique anti vax stuff, which is

1642
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 3: like the anti hepatitis B vagazine stuff, a thing that

1643
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 3: I didn't realize people were against like children getting until

1644
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 3: like now, and like I follow these things decently closely,

1645
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 3: Let's start a little bit with like, let's let's ease

1646
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 3: the audience into this by by going back to the classics,

1647
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 3: the greatest hits. We didn't really have one hit, the

1648
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 3: one hit of the anti vaccine movement, which was Trump's

1649
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 3: stuff about separating the MMR vaccine. Yeah, soh yeah.

1650
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 14: Recently during that press conference where he really threw tylern

1651
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 14: All under the bus, he also really it was weird

1652
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 14: because there's no new evidence. I want to make that clear.

1653
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 14: There was no new evidence that they presented about vaccines.

1654
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 14: But Trump actually really harped on vaccines and his thoughts,

1655
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 14: his medical opinion, and his advice on how to manage

1656
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 14: vaccines is truly bizarre. Never seen a president say or

1657
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 14: do those sorts of things. But one of the things

1658
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 14: he mentioned was the MMR vaccine, the measles, mumps, rubella,

1659
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 14: and he said that it should be split into three

1660
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 14: separate shots. Again medically unfounded. It really, as you have

1661
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:49,560
Speaker 14: alluded to, echoes, these long debunked claims, these Wakefield like claims,

1662
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 14: from starting from back in nineteen ninety eight. Again, Wakefield

1663
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 14: was the disgraced author of that vaccine study that tied

1664
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 14: it to autism, lost his men license for that. But

1665
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 14: that has persisted and carried on, and the seeds of

1666
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 14: that are still growing terrible, terrible plants in trees today.

1667
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 14: And one of them was this fruit of Trump saying

1668
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 14: we should break up the MMR vaccine. So I'll just

1669
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 14: say it up front. One, there's no reason to do that.

1670
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 14: There's no reason that shows improved safety. There's no credible

1671
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 14: evidence to suggest that at least, and more importantly, the

1672
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 14: more you split these things up, the more likely you're

1673
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 14: gonna end up missing doses.

1674
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 3: That is like a known fact.

1675
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 14: If you delay vaccines, if you split them up more

1676
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 14: than they need to be, there is a much greater

1677
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 14: chance you will miss that. In case this is not clear,

1678
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 14: measles is bad. It is one of the most contagious

1679
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 14: viruses out there, and lower vaccination rates quickly lead to outbreaks,

1680
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 14: as we're already starting to see, and when there's already

1681
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 14: some hesitancy in the community, pushing it like this is

1682
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,799
Speaker 14: a terrible thing. So even though that was a throwaway

1683
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 14: statement from the presentident of the United States, it could

1684
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 14: have serious repercussions. And it's it's very concerning, and I've

1685
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 14: also I have committed myself every single time this comes

1686
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 14: up that the Wakefield study, which is where this this

1687
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 14: whole separate da war thing like came up as it's

1688
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 14: not even a conclusion that even even if you take

1689
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 14: his completely fake premise that he made up, it doesn't

1690
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 14: actually follow that you should split the vaccines up.

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01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 3: It's baffling. But the second thing is the reason he

1692
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 3: wanted to split the vaccines up was that he was

1693
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 3: trying to sell his own vaccines. Correct, he was just

1694
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 3: trying to sell his own vaccin I it makes me

1695
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 3: insane every single time this has talked about, because this

1696
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 3: whole thing is sibbetically, it's literally an industrial complex it's

1697
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 3: like the y vaccine industrial complex. They're all trying to

1698
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 3: sell you something. That's the whole thing.

1699
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 14: I was watching Trump give this talk this press conference,

1700
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 14: and I said, I think I said this on another

1701
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 14: show here on this channel.

1702
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 3: I started to disassociate. I'm like, yeah, this can't be real.

1703
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 3: I am I dreaming?

1704
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Is this?

1705
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 14: It felt like I was having an out of body experience.

1706
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 14: It did not feel real to me. To be fully transparent,

1707
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 14: I did not make it through that press conference. Watching

1708
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 14: it on video. About like four minutes in, I was like,

1709
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 14: fuck this, I'm going to read the transcript. So I'm

1710
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 14: just working off the transcript because I was like I can't.

1711
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 3: It was tough. I can't do this.

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01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 14: So on my podcast, The House of Pod you should

1713
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 14: all listen to it, I played a clip from Trump

1714
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 14: talking about Tylan All and another clip of him talking

1715
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 14: about heptiz B and when you listen to it. When

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Speaker 14: I listened back to it as I was editing it,

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01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 14: it sounded like I edited his clips to make him

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Speaker 14: sound crazy.

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 14: I just took straight from what he says, and it

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01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 14: just the way he was talking. It's hard to listen to.

1722
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 14: I mean, it's hard to read too. But the way

1723
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 14: he talks, it's so disjointed, and he just goes from

1724
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 14: one thought to the next. Hey, does this weave thing

1725
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,759
Speaker 14: that he thinks is so clever, But it's just lost.

1726
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 14: The threads are never brought together. It's just an unraveled,

1727
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 14: terrible rug of lies. And that is that is why

1728
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,560
Speaker 14: it's so hard to like listen to him. I I

1729
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:08,639
Speaker 14: totally understand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but and this has also been you know,

1731
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 3: one of the things that most of the media has

1732
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 3: done is that you know, in order to be able

1733
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Speaker 3: to like play a listenable clip on air, right, and

1734
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 3: also in sort of innservative power, they edit the clips

1735
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 3: to make him sound like a normal human being. Right,

1736
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,560
Speaker 3: So the version of it that people are seeing is

1737
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 3: not the version where he's just sort of completely ranting

1738
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 3: incoherently and like, you know, you just see these clips.

1739
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 3: But then also because they're because they're they're editing it

1740
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 3: down progressively more and more, like just more stuff more,

1741
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 3: just like information content gets lost every time, which is

1742
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 3: the problem because there's just like so much yea, the

1743
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 3: fire Hose of Nonsense.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, title of my first album, incredible, incredible, Oh god, Okay,

1745
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 15: so you know what, right, we're going to a second

1746
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 15: fire hose of nonsense.

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01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 3: This is slightly early to be doing this, but fuck it,

1748
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 3: it's chaos week. We're doing it. Do you know what

1749
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 3: else is a fire hose of nonsense? Oh?

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01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 14: Well, I wouldn't say it's nonsense. I would say it's

1751
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 14: very important in these bills. So it's very very important

1752
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 14: I believe in. I don't end up just kidding. I'm

1753
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 14: assuming ads and services. Yeah, this is the froucess services

1754
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 14: to support this podcast.

1755
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 3: We are back. So it makes the torrent of you know,

1756
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 3: the the MMR stuff, which also I do want to say,

1757
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 3: very briefly, is sort of a baffling thing to be

1758
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 3: talking about in a thing where you're not blaming the

1759
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 3: vaccines for autism, you're blaming Thailand all but then you're

1760
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 3: still also mad at the vaccine. It's very weird. Yeah.

1761
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 3: I had thoughts about that.

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Speaker 14: You know, I felt like what Trump was doing with

1763
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 14: that by bringing up the vaccine stuff was I felt

1764
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 14: he was trying to console RFK Junior in a way.

1765
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 14: I felt like he was like, Okay, hey, we're moving

1766
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 14: away from the vaccine stuff to focus on this tile

1767
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 14: law stuff. But I know how much you love the

1768
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 14: vaccine stuff, AREFK, So let's talk about that.

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Speaker 3: So I felt like he was just throwing that out

1770
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 3: there to play k RFK Junior. That was my guess.

1771
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 3: But I don't know how to read sociopaths very well,

1772
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 3: so this could also just be like what comes into

1773
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 3: his mind when he thinks about medicine, right, so you know,

1774
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 3: oh yeah, again, weird to me that this president was

1775
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 3: giving medical advice. I mean, he was making statements, do

1776
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 3: not take time. He said that multiple times. He talked

1777
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 3: about breaking up the hepatitis B vaccine and changing the

1778
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 3: heptides B vaccine, that the times of it, which I

1779
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 3: think we're going to talk about because that is very

1780
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 3: important to me, and things that doctors would have a

1781
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 3: little pause to say so strongly, and even the people

1782
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 3: whose paper he's citing would say, oh, slow down a

1783
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 3: little bit with that. You know, it's very important. I

1784
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 3: think it's super impactful, and you're right, it's slipping under

1785
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 3: the radar. So I would love to talk about the

1786
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 3: hepatitis B stuff. Yeah, let's do this.

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Speaker 14: So I'll give a little background for your listeners who

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01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 14: don't know me. I am a gastroentrologist and hepatologist. That's liver,

1789
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,759
Speaker 14: not herpetologist, which is a study of snakes, which sometimes

1790
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 14: people think online. I am a doctor that looks at

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01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 14: the liver, and hepatitis B has an important place in

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01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 14: my heart. It's a disease that can be incredibly devastating.

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01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 14: It's incredibly common, it has so many complications, It has

1794
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 14: such long term ramifications on someone's life if they have it,

1795
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 14: so many things they have to consider, do follow up,

1796
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 14: so many possible things that can happen with it. And

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Speaker 14: the thing about it is we have a vaccine for

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01:39:54,960 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 14: it that is very safe and super efficacious, works really well,

1799
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 14: and when we use it, it works amazing. In Trump

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01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,799
Speaker 14: during this conference through that a couple of passing shots

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01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 14: as he was doing this this whole rant about tile

1802
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 14: mall et cetera, and those passing shots can have a

1803
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 14: huge impact on uptake in this country. I think it

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01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 14: really needs to be discussed. So I'll stop there. I'll

1805
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 14: let you see what questions do you have for me

1806
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 14: of hepatities because I could talk about hepatitis B for

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01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 14: a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's let's let's go back to like the

1809
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 3: very basic How would you explain hepatitis be to our

1810
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,600
Speaker 3: dear listener who knows many things, but what hepatitis B

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Speaker 3: is is not one of them.

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Speaker 14: Yes, so hepatitis just means inflammation of the liver. Anything

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01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 14: with itis means inflammation. And there are different ways of

1814
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 14: getting hepatitis or inflammation of the liver. They range from alcohol, medications,

1815
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 14: autoimmune problems to viral things. And there are viral things

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01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 14: that can cause bad hepatitis affect the liver, primarily hepatitis A, B, C.

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Speaker 14: You've heard of some of these hepatides, and hepatitis B

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01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 14: is a very common one in the world. It's about

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01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 14: two billion people in the world have either had it

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01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 14: or presently have it. About eight hundred and eighty thousand

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Speaker 14: people in the US alone have chronic hepatitis B, but

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Speaker 14: if you actually look at studies that include more immigrant populations,

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Speaker 14: that number can go up to about two point two million.

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Speaker 14: It is something that can when you get it at

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Speaker 14: an early age, when you're young and you're a baby

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Speaker 14: or an infant, you're young and your immune system is

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Speaker 14: not super robust yet. It's very likely about ninety percent

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01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 14: or more that if you are exposed to it. You'll

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Speaker 14: get chronic infection from it. If you get it when

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Speaker 14: you're older, it's a little different. You can have a

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01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,839
Speaker 14: pretty strong reaction to it. You'll get really sick, potentially

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Speaker 14: sometimes to the point where the liver fails, but most

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Speaker 14: people are when they're older able to clear it. They're

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Speaker 14: going to eventually get rid of the virus point where

1835
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Speaker 14: the liver is fine and it manages, but it lives

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Speaker 14: in the liver indefinitely. Once you get the hepatitis B,

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Speaker 14: it's a very good chance you will have it forever.

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01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 14: Whether or not it's causing you problems is another thing.

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01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 14: A lot of people can live with it not have

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01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 14: any problems, but a lot of people will get it

1841
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:25,600
Speaker 14: and they will be very sick in the beginning. And

1842
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Speaker 14: when you get it as an infant, you have a

1843
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Speaker 14: very good chance of having it for the rest of

1844
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:34,639
Speaker 14: your life. And that can be a major problem because

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01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 14: like all viruses that go into the liver like this,

1846
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Speaker 14: all these viral hepatities, what can happen is it can

1847
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 14: cause scarring, which you might have heard of when it's

1848
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 14: really bad, called cirrhosis. When that happens, the liver can

1849
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 14: stop working. You can get cancer of the liver. You

1850
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 14: can get big blood vessels in your esophagus called esophageal varices,

1851
01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 14: and vomited blood.

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01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 3: You can get a lot of bad things that happen.

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Speaker 14: Now, what makes heptities be particularly insidious, It makes it

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01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 14: a little bit even my opinion, more dangerous than a

1855
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 14: lot of other viral hepatides is that you don't always

1856
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 14: have to go through these phases to get to the

1857
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,879
Speaker 14: really bad part. Like when you have hepatitis C, for example,

1858
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 14: you get bad scarring over a long time that can

1859
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 14: cause that cirrhosis, and that cirrrosis can lead to cancer.

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Speaker 14: But since hepatitis B is a DNA virus, that DNA

1861
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 14: can get into the DNA of your liver cells and

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01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 14: it can cause cancer without even having to go through

1863
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 14: those steps of cirrhosis. That obviously terrible, and that can

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Speaker 14: happen to young people, and I've seen it and it's awful.

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01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 14: So I'm saying all these terrible things about hepatitis B

1866
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 14: because it's one of these things that does not need

1867
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 14: to be I didn't mean to say that like that, No,

1868
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 14: I didn't mean to make a play on words there.

1869
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 14: But it doesn't need to happen because we have this

1870
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 14: great vaccine that can manage this and when we use

1871
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 14: this vaccine, it works. In fact, in the US, they

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01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 14: looked at it between nineteen ninety it was introduced in

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Speaker 14: this country, like for infants in nineteen ninety one, and

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Speaker 14: when they looked from nineteen ninety to two thousand and four,

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Speaker 14: they saw a ninety four percent decrease in kids in

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Speaker 14: adolescents who have hepatitis being incredible, I mean, that's amazing.

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Speaker 14: That's really good. Like this is a great success story.

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01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 14: And part of the reason people like Trump don't recognize

1879
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 14: that this is an issue because it's done well, because

1880
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 14: this vaccine works and it does a good job. Now,

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Speaker 14: the other thing to discuss is how it is transmitted,

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01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 14: because that's a big part of what Trump was saying

1883
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 14: during this press conference. Yeah, and he said it's sexually transmitted,

1884
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 14: which is true. That is one of the ways that

1885
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 14: you get it, but you also get.

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Speaker 3: It from the mother.

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Speaker 14: The mother when you're having a pregnancy and a delivery,

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01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 14: it's a messy, bloody process and that is a huge

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Speaker 14: risk factor for the infant getting hepatized b from the mother.

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Speaker 14: There's also household things that can happen. You know, people

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01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 14: share razors, that's a risk factor. Toothbrushes, small things, bites

1892
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,520
Speaker 14: at daycare centers. All these things are small risks. They're

1893
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 14: not as common as sex or the childbirth ways of transmission,

1894
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:32,600
Speaker 14: but there are other modes of transmission for getting hepatitis B,

1895
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 14: not just sex like Trump was saying. So, I think

1896
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 14: that's super important to be clear that. I think that

1897
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 14: is one of the major things he said that was wrong.

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01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 14: He said a lot of things are wrong, but that's

1899
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 14: probably the biggest easiest one to point out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it also was interesting because that

1901
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 3: was one of the things that got followed up on

1902
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 3: by reporters. But the reporter was like, well, you can

1903
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 3: also get it from like reusing needles, which like yeah,

1904
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 3: but like not mentioning the whole. You can get it

1905
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 3: for being born, a thing that everyone has to do. Statistically,

1906
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 3: this is the statistics bear that out.

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01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 4: That is true.

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01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but a percent rate of being born in order to.

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Speaker 14: Exist, that's exactly that's exactly right. You know why I

1910
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 14: realized why Trump says this. This is the realization I

1911
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 14: came to. He doesn't even think about this as a

1912
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 14: possible mode of transmission. If you've ever seen a delivery,

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01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 14: I don't know if you have mia, but if you've

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01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 14: ever seen someone give birth, whether it's natural, vaginal or

1915
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:38,679
Speaker 14: cesarean or whatever, whatever method, there is a lot of fluids, blood, mucus.

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01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 14: There's a lot of fluids happening during this time exchange

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01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:45,560
Speaker 14: between mother and baby. And if you saw that, I

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01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 14: think you'd be like, oh, well, yeah, that makes sense

1919
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 14: that you would get it that way. If you do

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01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 14: get it through sex, why couldn't you get it through that?

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01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:55,640
Speaker 14: You know, if you could get it by putting a

1922
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 14: penis into a vagina, for example, why couldn't you get

1923
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 14: it from being birth from one? So you would you

1924
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 14: would see that, and you would it would make sense

1925
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:06,559
Speaker 14: to you inherently and automatically. My guess is that Trump

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Speaker 14: has not seen any of his kids delivered that that

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Speaker 14: would not surprise me. I mean, if he was in

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Speaker 14: a nearby room, I would be impressed in edwa cast

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Speaker 14: aspersions on our president.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Maybe he was there, you know, cutting the umbilical corridor.

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Speaker 14: I don't know, but I get the sense he was not,

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Speaker 14: And I feel like that's why in his mind he

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Speaker 14: doesn't even register it.

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Speaker 3: And then then the other thing that makes that's weird

1936
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Speaker 3: about this is he's like, Oh, it's just me.

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Speaker 14: I say that they get the shot at the age

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Speaker 14: of twelve because it's sexually transmitted, and that makes me wonder.

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Speaker 14: I'm surprised no one's brought this up. Why does he

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Speaker 14: think that's okay? Then does he think that kids are

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Speaker 14: having sex at the age of twelve and that's okay?

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Speaker 14: Why did why did twelve become the number for him?

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Speaker 3: It's so weird and I don't know that's truly one

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Speaker 3: of the There is something just deeply evil going on

1945
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Speaker 3: in his mind, but I have no idea what it is,

1946
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Speaker 3: and I can't follow the path of logic because I'm

1947
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Speaker 3: not like a billionaire who was born in like the

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Speaker 3: fifties or whatever. I don't know that that guy has

1949
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Speaker 3: seen That guy has gotten brainword from things that like

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Speaker 3: don't exist anymore. No, he was born in the forties. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: my apologies for thinking he was born a full decade

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Speaker 3: later than he actually was. Good lord, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: I think the results are still the same. Yeah, But

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Speaker 3: I mean it's like, you know, there's just like there's

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Speaker 3: prejudices and weird stuff that he picked up rattling around

1956
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Speaker 3: there that like who knows where they came from. And

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Speaker 3: I think also, you know, one of the other ankles

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Speaker 3: about this that's sort of really distressing is this like

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Speaker 3: what feels like the sort of stigmatizing aspect of it

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Speaker 3: of just being like, oh, well, there's something you can

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Speaker 3: only get like sexually transmitted, like why are we giving

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Speaker 3: this to kids? And it's like, well, yeah, but like

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Speaker 3: there's just like a bunch of other ways that you

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Speaker 3: can get it, and like only talking about that one

1965
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Speaker 3: and then having it as an excuse to raise the

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Speaker 3: vaccination age for no reason, and that.

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Speaker 14: You know, again goes back to the MMR thing, because

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Speaker 14: you know, when we talk about giving these doses, the

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Speaker 14: who the CDC, they recommend the birth vaccine within twenty

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Speaker 14: four hours or the first at least. Then the current

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Speaker 14: schedule is you get at birth and follow up set

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Speaker 14: one to two months, and then again at six to

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Speaker 14: fifteen months. And part of the thing of stretching that out,

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Speaker 14: pushing that out further again same thing as the MMR,

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Speaker 14: which is the more likely you are to not do

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Speaker 14: it at all and to have decreased uptake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is the real reason why that's a concern. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it's this sort of decreased uptake is their goal, right,

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Speaker 3: Like that's what they want. Like that's why RFKI Junior,

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Speaker 3: for example, is making it increasingly difficult to get the

1981
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Speaker 3: COVID vaccine and the flu vaccine and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: And it's you know, they're doing this sort of like

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Speaker 3: double pronged approach of both establishing it from the top

1984
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Speaker 3: down through the medical bureaucracy of taking control of and

1985
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Speaker 3: also just like spreading it among their supporters and among

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Speaker 3: people who are like, oh that the President wouldn't just

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Speaker 3: like lie to me about medical stuff, right, that's unreasonable.

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Speaker 3: And I mean if you didn't know, if you didn't

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Speaker 3: know that there was another means of transmission, what he

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Speaker 3: said is reasonable. You know, why would you give an

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Speaker 3: infant a vaccine for something they could only get through sex.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you bet sure that makes sense, but

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Speaker 3: it's just wrong. Yeah, it's kind of pointless to ask

1994
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Speaker 3: the question does he know he's lying on this one?

1995
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Speaker 3: But I don't think he is. I honestly don't think

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Speaker 3: he understands.

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Speaker 14: I think he probably did hear that there are some

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Speaker 14: other modes of transmission, and in his mind, it requires

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Speaker 14: some sort of blood contact or some sort of mucosal

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Speaker 14: contact in his mind, and that's how he interpreted it.

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Speaker 14: And I think he just doesn't equate that with childbirth.

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Speaker 14: I think he assumes it like because the child he

2003
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Speaker 14: sees comes out like perfectly wrapped and cleaned and you know,

2004
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Speaker 14: looks like a little baby in like a blanket when

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Speaker 14: he sees it. Yeah, So I think I think that's

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Speaker 14: the thing. I think he believes this.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's lying on purpose on this one. Yeah,

2008
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Speaker 3: that makes sense, And I think I don't know. I

2009
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Speaker 3: think it's an interesting aspect of this is that this

2010
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Speaker 3: is like it was kind of just a Trump thing, right,

2011
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Speaker 3: Like this is like one of the parts of it

2012
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Speaker 3: that like RFK Junior and Martin McCarry didn't really talk about.

2013
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Speaker 3: It was just Trump kind of just like started talking

2014
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Speaker 3: about it for reasons that are deeply unclear. Yeah.

2015
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Speaker 14: I mean, Martin McCarry is an interesting guy, and I

2016
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Speaker 14: think he did some good things in the past and

2017
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Speaker 14: done some not so great things. Some bad things, Yeah,

2018
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Speaker 14: would not be serve this administration. This may shock you, Mia,

2019
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Speaker 14: but Trump picked somebody for a high level position that

2020
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Speaker 14: might be a little problematic.

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Speaker 3: Well, especially this version of the administration too, where it's

2022
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Speaker 3: like in Trump won it was possible for them for

2023
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Speaker 3: him to appoint someone random and it kind of be

2024
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Speaker 3: like Department of Energy, right right, They put Rick Perry,

2025
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Speaker 3: who famously would call to a well forgot that it

2026
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Speaker 3: was the thing that he wanted to abolish. But then

2027
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Speaker 3: he got in charge of it, and the Department of

2028
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Speaker 3: Energy of people like explained to him this is where

2029
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Speaker 3: the nuke stuff is. And then he was like, sure, whatever,

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Speaker 3: fucking go run this. I'll just stay out of everyone's way.

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Speaker 3: And that kind of works fine. That he's not happening

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Speaker 3: this administration. You are not kidding, You're actual Rick Perry

2033
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Speaker 3: going to like a make workshop, letting the bureaucrats run

2034
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Speaker 3: the actual stuff. How wild it is that we long

2035
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 3: for the days of Rick Perry. Yeah, the days when

2036
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Speaker 3: someone could explain to you, hey, this is the department

2037
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Speaker 3: that does the nukes, and they'd be and they would

2038
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Speaker 3: change their opinion about it. Staggering incredible. So let me

2039
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Speaker 3: tell you a little bit more about this McCrary character.

2040
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Speaker 3: So he is a surgeon. I don't think he practice

2041
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Speaker 3: as a surgeon, anymore. But he's sort of a health

2042
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Speaker 3: policy expertly self fashioned as one, and he's the person

2043
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Speaker 3: that was tapped by Donald Trump to leave the FDA.

2044
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Speaker 3: You've seen him on Fox News a lot, and he's

2045
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 3: been very outspoken about pandemic policies in the past. He

2046
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 3: was noted as one of the greatest perpetrators of COVID

2047
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:06,640
Speaker 3: misinformation during those times when the people fact checked him

2048
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 3: again and again found that he was wrong. But the

2049
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 3: thing about him that you may or may not know

2050
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 3: how I first learned of him and how he popped

2051
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Speaker 3: up on my radar a while back, was he is

2052
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Speaker 3: the person that's responsible for this claim that medical error

2053
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Speaker 3: is the third.

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Speaker 14: Leading cause of death in the United States. Sometimes that's

2055
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Speaker 14: cited as second. Yes, that's him, he's the person, oh boy, right,

2056
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Speaker 14: Which there's a lot of issues with this claim. It

2057
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 14: is at best controversial. It's based on extrapolated data. There

2058
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 14: was no formal methodology that went into him doing this.

2059
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Speaker 14: It totally misrepresents the complexity of healthcare and healthcare outcomes.

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Speaker 14: But it's like the herpees of medical misinformation because it

2061
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 14: always comes back no matter how many times it gets

2062
01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 14: disproven or people talk about it. It always comes back,

2063
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 14: and it's always used as this. It's an inherent part

2064
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Speaker 14: of the belief structure of these anti vaxxers. It is

2065
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,839
Speaker 14: taken as gospel now. But back in twenty sixteen, basically

2066
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 14: he wrote this BMJ paper that estimated something like two

2067
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:18,120
Speaker 14: hundred and fifty thousand deaths per year in US hospitals

2068
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Speaker 14: were due to medical errors. But again, was not a

2069
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Speaker 14: formal study. It presented no new data, and it didn't

2070
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Speaker 14: have any sort of real rigorous statistical method behind it.

2071
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Speaker 14: It kind of averaged figures from different sources. It doesn't

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Speaker 14: actually even work because death certificates don't capture medical error,

2073
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Speaker 14: so it's hard to really study that even if you

2074
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Speaker 14: wanted to. But anyways, long story short, no matter how

2075
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 14: many times people disprove this or make arguments that work

2076
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 14: against it, it never goes away.

2077
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Speaker 3: So that's him. That's McCary, Oh boy, oh boy. And

2078
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Speaker 3: he's not running the FDA, which is oh yeah, which

2079
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 3: is great.

2080
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Speaker 14: We put the war people in charge of quite possibly

2081
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Speaker 14: the most important part of our country.

2082
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just the Health and Human Service is

2083
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 3: run by RFK Junior. Is just when he first took

2084
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 3: off as my line on it was millions will die,

2085
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 3: and we are so incredibly on track for millions to

2086
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 3: die from just this guy and his people being put

2087
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Speaker 3: in charge.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, I should say one more thing about

2089
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 14: maccarury before we move on from him that claim. You know,

2090
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Speaker 14: I wouldn't say that medical error isn't an issue. I

2091
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 14: think it is a very serious issue. Even if there's

2092
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 14: one or two cases in the whole country, it's a

2093
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:44,360
Speaker 14: serious issue and that should be addressed. But what he's

2094
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 14: doing is I think harmful. I don't think that is

2095
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 14: helping in any way. I think it's only made things

2096
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 14: worse by contributing to where we're at today with our

2097
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:58,839
Speaker 14: anti vax stance, our whole anti intellectual approach to medicine.

2098
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Speaker 3: And that's that's a thing that they do. This is

2099
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 3: the thing they take a little kernel of truth. If

2100
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 3: there is any lack of knowledge, that there's any slight

2101
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 3: vacuum in understanding, it gets filled with these bad actors,

2102
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 3: these people, and he is, in my opinion, one of them,

2103
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 3: but still somehow not the worst, you know, not the worst.

2104
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 3: Is one of those bars in the Trump administration where

2105
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:24,840
Speaker 3: it's not even the bar solo. It's on the ground.

2106
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 3: The bar is so low that like you have to

2107
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:30,080
Speaker 3: go digging to get under the bar. And it's not

2108
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 3: like a little bit of digging, it's a lot of

2109
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Speaker 3: digging because the bar truly is below hell. There's like

2110
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Speaker 3: a second hell down there to find this bar for

2111
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Speaker 3: where these people are. Oh god, it's second hell. Every

2112
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:51,400
Speaker 3: time I look into any of these people, just yeah, no, no,

2113
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Speaker 3: you're never going to be surprised. Has get hit or

2114
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Speaker 3: mariad with an axe? Like this guy's just the secretary

2115
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 3: of Defense now he's like, he's the guy going in

2116
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 3: yelling at the generals. This is the guy who was

2117
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 3: on Fox News and he threw he just throwing an

2118
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Speaker 3: axe and he threw it over the target and it

2119
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:11,320
Speaker 3: hit a bunch of marines. Like what are we doing here?

2120
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Speaker 14: Well, whom amongst us hasn't done that? Maybe he is

2121
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 14: the real Antifa.

2122
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Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. True. I have never hit a marine

2123
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 3: with an axe. Yeah. So now well there you go.

2124
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 3: Huh tragic, Tavia, Do you have anything else that you

2125
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 3: want to tell our dear listeners about this whole debacle?

2126
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Speaker 14: Get your vaccines? Yeah, you know, get your vaccines. Get vaccinated.

2127
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 14: Now's the time to start doing it for flu and COVID.

2128
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 14: If you can talk to your doctor. If you're having

2129
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Speaker 14: difficulty getting your vaccine from your local places, your regular places,

2130
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 14: talk to your doctor about getting it.

2131
01:58:56,840 --> 01:58:59,160
Speaker 3: You should still be able to in most cases, So

2132
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Speaker 3: do it while you can.

2133
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Speaker 14: And if you want to hear more about this stuff,

2134
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Speaker 14: make sure to check out my podcast, The House of Pod.

2135
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 14: We're going to talk about the stuff a lot more.

2136
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 14: We'll talk about other stuff too, but you'll hear more

2137
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,160
Speaker 14: on this along the way as well. And you know,

2138
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Speaker 14: I like that people are questioning some of these things.

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Speaker 14: I don't think it's unreasonable. Some of these topics are

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Speaker 14: not unreasonable to have. You know, we as I discussed

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Speaker 14: earlier on another podcast on this channel, Channels that we

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Speaker 14: say on this network, I should say the title and

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Speaker 14: all autism question is not like a totally wacky crazy one.

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Speaker 14: It was a decent question to ask. There was some correlation,

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Speaker 14: but the evidence when you look at it, shows that

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Speaker 14: it is very likely not a causal relationship when you

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Speaker 14: look at the evidence. And I think it's okay to

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Speaker 14: have some of these conversations, and sometimes it takes a

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Speaker 14: little nuance when you look at them, but I encourage

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Speaker 14: people to continue to do so, and to keep reading

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Speaker 14: and to find trusted sources and look at those and

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Speaker 14: learn about them yourself. I think if nothing else good

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Speaker 14: comes from all this, it's that people are starting to

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Speaker 14: have an understanding of antibodies and the science behind vaccines.

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Speaker 14: And I think that's not a bad thing. So, I mean,

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Speaker 14: things are terrible. Things are terrible. There's so many bad

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Speaker 14: things in the world. But I will say this, I

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Speaker 14: see bright spots constantly. I see more and more people

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Speaker 14: who care about science. I see more and more people

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Speaker 14: than I ever have before care about important topics across

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Speaker 14: the world. They're not scientific, like gaza, for example. I've

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Speaker 14: seen more people care about things that I've ever seen

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Speaker 14: before in my long life, and I feel like that's

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Speaker 14: a good thing. There are bright spots out there and

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Speaker 14: that's what I cling to. And I see more people

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Speaker 14: interested in this. People want to talk to me about

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Speaker 14: hepatitis B and what it is and how to avoid it.

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Speaker 14: And I think that's great. So there's some good coming

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Speaker 14: from this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, and this is I think the

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Speaker 3: fundamental thing that both the media apparatus and the regime

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Speaker 3: are trying to conceal which is that there are more

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Speaker 3: of us than there are of them. There always have been,

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Speaker 3: and especially right now, there are way more of us.

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Speaker 3: And you know, their ability to shape the world is disastrous,

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Speaker 3: but their ability to shape the world as fundamentally a

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Speaker 3: minoritarian force in this country right with like thirty to

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Speaker 3: forty percent of the population, is always going to be

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Speaker 3: limited and always is always going to be in danger

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Speaker 3: of simply being reversed. And we can be that reversal,

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Speaker 3: one person at a time. Yeah, I love that. Well, Kaye,

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Speaker 3: thank you for being on the show, and go listen

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Speaker 3: to House of Pod is great. It's all thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're okay. You could do worse.

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Speaker 2: You know, quite frankly, if you ever do anything on

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Speaker 2: accident that leads to a police officer falling over, even

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Speaker 2: if you had nothing to do with them falling over,

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Speaker 2: it's time to leave. It's time to go, even if

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Speaker 2: all you did was make a joke.

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Speaker 3: This is it could happen here.

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Speaker 6: Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the

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Speaker 6: White House, the crumbling of our world, and what it

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Speaker 6: means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today I'm joined by

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Speaker 6: James Stout, Miya Wong, and Robert Evans. This episode recovering

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Speaker 6: the week of October first to October eighth.

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Speaker 8: That's right, baby, Brian, big deal day as Yeah, October

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Speaker 8: seven eighth in history, the first week of October, you know,

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Speaker 8: October Gloctober.

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Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't love a good glock? Not in California, California.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't love a good glock, Gavin use them in

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Speaker 2: the California. Let's Gavin Newsom doesn't love a good glock.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, band them. Bretta fans don't love glocks.

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Speaker 2: Still sore about that, Big guys, the surviving sick guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's rough being a SIG guy out there

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Speaker 2: these days.

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Speaker 8: It's got to be tough. Yeah, well, that's why we're

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Speaker 8: selling armored box of shorts.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 8: You enjoyed a SIG.

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Speaker 2: As long as you get our new, our new hard

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Speaker 2: class four body armor box of shorts, you can appendix

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Speaker 2: carry a SIG so hour without blowing your job.

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Speaker 6: You've quickly put on my ceramic boxer.

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Speaker 2: So that I can carry a fucking h eighteen. Thank you.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, stay hot by Cool Zone dropping next week. You

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Speaker 8: can find them by tagging Robert on social media at

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Speaker 8: why Sophie, Why We're finishing our twenty part series.

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Speaker 2: People have asked for episodes on how to be a

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Speaker 2: gun owner, and so we're putting together a twenty part

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Speaker 2: series on how not to shoot your own penis off.

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Speaker 2: So law enforcement officers in the audience, you'll want to

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Speaker 2: check that one out.

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Speaker 8: I just got a notification that Sophie had canceled ed.

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Speaker 8: Which are things from responds to what we're doing right now.

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Speaker 6: Let's start because there's a lot of news this week

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Speaker 6: by talking about, frankly, the most important news story in

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Speaker 6: the whole nation right now. On Thursday October second, right

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Speaker 6: wing influencer Nick Sorder, along with two other people.

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Speaker 16: I know.

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Speaker 2: It's stupid, Oh, it's really stupid.

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Speaker 6: Along with two other people were arrested by the Portland

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Speaker 6: Police Bureau in connection with a fight outside of the

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Speaker 6: Ice Building during a protest. Sorder was provoking reactions from

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Speaker 6: protesters when he was then chased down the street by

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Speaker 6: a woman in a bird cost bird costume quote swinging

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Speaker 6: a large stick covered.

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Speaker 3: With feathers resulted by Big Bird.

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Speaker 6: According to court documents, The three people were arrested at

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Speaker 6: all charged with disorderly conduct, though charges have since been dropped.

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Speaker 6: Sordi's arrest ignited a right wing firestorm the likes of

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Speaker 6: which I have not seen since Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad people are finally waking up to the antifa

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Speaker 2: police department that rules Portland with an iron fist.

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Speaker 3: For a long time.

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Speaker 6: Tim Poole posted on x the Everything app, I'm calling

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Speaker 6: on the Trump administration to launch a legal challenge against

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Speaker 6: Oregon following the arrest of Nick Sorter and if necessary,

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Speaker 6: deployed National Guard Organs failed to uphold federal and state

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Speaker 6: law and we should not tolerate it.

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Speaker 2: Oh and like, yeah, there was like a fight and

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Speaker 2: they detained people, and then the DA didn't press charges

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Speaker 2: against Sorter, and it's it's just it couldn't be more

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Speaker 2: of a nothing burger as an actual story.

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Speaker 6: Nothing than nothing burger. Yeah, but oh boy, but not

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Speaker 6: according to the AG's office, who quickly responded on it

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Speaker 6: to Tim Poole's request, and by Friday morning, the White House,

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Speaker 6: the Attorney General, and the Justice Department announced a quote

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Speaker 6: unquote full investigation into the arrest and the conduct of

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Speaker 6: the Portland Police bureau. Finally, conservative influencer Benny Johnson, who's

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Speaker 6: been embedded with ICE this past week, posted on x

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Speaker 6: Everything app quote important news. I spoke with DHS Secretary Christinome.

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Speaker 6: She's been briefed on the attack and arrest of journalist

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Speaker 6: Nick Sorder. Secretary Nome tells me DHS will surge ICE

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Speaker 6: resources in Portland. Quote Antifa is a terrorist group and

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Speaker 6: will not control our streets unquote. Thank you, Secretary Nome.

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Speaker 6: Benny Johnson later shared video captioned breaking. DHS Secretary Christinome

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Speaker 6: has announced the Department of War will deploy to Portland

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Speaker 6: and Chicago within twenty four hours to crush left wing

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Speaker 6: violence unquote. And here is the video with Christinome talking

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Speaker 6: about the quote unquote Antifa affiliated anti ICE protests.

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Speaker 17: Well, you've got a presence in Portland as that is

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Speaker 17: Antifa ali and so that is a situation where you

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Speaker 17: have known professionals targeted violence that want to tear down

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Speaker 17: America and will apparently attack anyone, even journalists.

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Speaker 1: They're just trying to report the truth of what's happening

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Speaker 1: on the streets.

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Speaker 17: So we're not just going to be rolling out of

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Speaker 17: Chicago here, but we're sending in the Department of War

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Speaker 17: at the request that I made to Secretary Headset, They're

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Speaker 17: going to be rolling in here within the next twenty

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Speaker 17: four hours.

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Speaker 1: They'll be coming to Chicago too.

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Speaker 17: I put a request in today for them to come

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Speaker 17: to Chicago, and we're going to not only have our

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Speaker 17: officers that are out there with HSI and Space, but

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Speaker 17: we're also going to have backup from our military, because

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Speaker 17: everybody deserves that. And so what we saw happened to

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Speaker 17: that journalist last night will not happen again.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Yeah, Benny Johnson showing a very professional journalism there

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Speaker 8: by just saying wow a lot.

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Speaker 6: It's a pretty wild scene having like troops walk behind

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Speaker 6: Christy Nome as this podcast or Grills Grills are on it,

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Speaker 6: sending the military to cities, Yeah, in front of a backcat.

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Speaker 6: The reactions from the after Nick Sorder's arrest were pretty wild,

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Speaker 6: with journalists going on Fox News claiming that the Portland

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Speaker 6: Police are affiliated with Antifa, and popular right wing influencers

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Speaker 6: on x like Amuse saying, quote, the Portland police are

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Speaker 6: now colluding with Antifa to prosecute federal officers protecting the

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Speaker 6: ICE facility.

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Speaker 2: When has that happened.

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Speaker 6: Each time federal officers engage with Antifa. Portland Police Liaison's

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Speaker 6: clutch statements and videos from Antifa to facilitate state criminal

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Speaker 6: charges against DHS. So somehow, in the year of Our

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Speaker 6: Lord twenty twenty five, the Portland Police Bureau is now Antifa,

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Speaker 6: which is a truly miraculous state of affairs. After his

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Speaker 6: release Friday morning, next Order posted on x quote You've

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Speaker 6: proved what we've all been saying for years. You're corrupt

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Speaker 6: and controlled by violent Antifa thugs who terrorize the streets.

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Speaker 6: Referring to the Portland Police, I have been in direct

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Speaker 6: contact with top officials at DHS. What's coming in Portland

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Speaker 6: is unprecedented, all thanks to Portland police exposing themselves by

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Speaker 6: arresting journalists. Great work, Portland unquote. A day later, on

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Speaker 6: October fourth, a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state

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Speaker 6: of Oregon and the City of Portland a temporary restraining

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Speaker 6: order blocking trumpenheag sess federalization and deployment of two hundred

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Speaker 6: organ National Guard against the wishes of Oregon Governor Tina Cotec.

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Speaker 6: The judge found that existing local and federal law enforcement

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Speaker 6: were sufficient to police protests, that the Trump admin had

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Speaker 6: mischaracterized the reality of the current protests outside of the

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Speaker 6: ICE facility, and that violence against ICE in other parts

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Speaker 6: of the country is not sufficient justification for a local

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Speaker 6: military deployment.

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Speaker 2: It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immerget number one, not

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Speaker 2: a woke judge, was literally if you go back and

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Speaker 2: you watched the Monica Lewinsky hearings or the I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is the Clinton sex scandal hearings, but this is

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Speaker 2: the part of it in which Lewinsky was being grilled.

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Speaker 2: Immigrant was the female lawyer that they brought out to

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Speaker 2: be incredibly cruel to Monica Lewinsky because it wouldn't look

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Speaker 2: as often putting and wound up.

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Speaker 6: She wound up.

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Speaker 2: Part of why Monica Lewinsky became so is she immigrant

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Speaker 2: looked fucking nuts and immigrant is the person who is

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Speaker 2: looking at it, who is going through all of the

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Speaker 2: claims made by the administration and going there's literally not

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Speaker 2: only is there no justification for the deployment of troops

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Speaker 2: in Portland, but everyone calling the shots at FPS and

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Speaker 2: ICE is like everything's under control, we have no need

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Speaker 2: for additional people. Yeah, there's no real danger here, Like

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Speaker 2: this is not a leftist judge. This is not a

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Speaker 2: judge with a political act to grind. This is a judge.

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Speaker 2: But thirty years ago you would have called a far

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Speaker 2: right extremist kah.

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Speaker 6: I will quote a little bit from her ruling here

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Speaker 6: quote to accept the defendants arguments, that's the federal's government

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Speaker 6: would see to render meaningless the extraordinary requirements of ten USC.

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Speaker 6: One two four six by allowing the president to federalize

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Speaker 6: one state's national guard based on the events in a

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Speaker 6: different state or mere speculation about future events. In other words,

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Speaker 6: violence elsewhere cannot support troop deployments here, and concern about

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Speaker 6: hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to

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Speaker 6: execute the laws using non military federal law enforcement unquote.

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Speaker 6: On the Trump Admin's argument that the presidents authorized to

2355
02:11:32,840 --> 02:11:36,840
Speaker 6: federalize state national guard in the case of rebellion or invasion,

2356
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:42,160
Speaker 6: the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires quote, First,

2357
02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:45,760
Speaker 6: a rebellion must not only be violent, but also armed. Second,

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02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:49,400
Speaker 6: a rebellion must be organized. Third, a rebellion must be

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02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:52,920
Speaker 6: open and avowed. Fourth, rebellion must be against the government

2360
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Speaker 6: as a whole, often with the aim of overthrowing the government,

2361
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Speaker 6: rather than in opposition to a single law or issue. Here,

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02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,000
Speaker 6: the protest in Portland were not a rebellion and did

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02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 6: not pose a danger of rebellion, especially in the days

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02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 6: leading up to the federalization unquote. The judge found that

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02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:12,760
Speaker 6: the president's federalization of the Organ National Guard without proper

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02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:17,040
Speaker 6: statutory authority under ten USC. One two four h six,

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02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 6: exceeded the president's constitutional authority, undermined Organ's sovereignty, and violated

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02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:25,040
Speaker 6: the Tenth Amendment by infringing on Organ's constitutional power to

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Speaker 6: control its own national Guard, writing that the Trump admin

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02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:31,680
Speaker 6: quote interfered with the constitutional balance of power between the

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Speaker 6: federal and state governments.

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Speaker 3: Unquote.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, is that the one where she she said their

2374
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:38,960
Speaker 8: argument was untethered from the facts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that was a pretty good, uh good

2377
02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:44,320
Speaker 8: summary of what's going on here.

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Speaker 6: Later that day, Stephen Miller went on News Nation to

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Speaker 6: talk about the quote unquote insurrectionists interesting word in Portland

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Speaker 6: and the new National Security presidential memorandum to investigate dismantle

2381
02:12:57,960 --> 02:12:59,920
Speaker 6: so called left wing terrorist networks.

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Speaker 18: We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate

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02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:06,000
Speaker 18: a lawless insurrection. We are not going to tolerate domestic terrorism.

2384
02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:09,840
Speaker 18: And we are going after the Antifa, rioters, the insurrectionists,

2385
02:13:10,520 --> 02:13:13,000
Speaker 18: the violent assaulters, and we are not only going after them,

2386
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:14,680
Speaker 18: we are going after their network. We are going after

2387
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:17,280
Speaker 18: their funders. Every time we make an arrest, we are

2388
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:22,840
Speaker 18: initiating an investigation into the entire domestic terrorist network. The

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02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:27,320
Speaker 18: President issued a National Security Presidential Memorandum in NSPN making

2390
02:13:27,400 --> 02:13:30,360
Speaker 18: clear that it is the national security priority of United

2391
02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:35,080
Speaker 18: States law enforcement to dismantle, disrupt, defeat, and destroy these

2392
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:39,160
Speaker 18: domestic terror networks. And that is exactly what is taking place.

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02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:41,320
Speaker 18: It is what we are doing, it is what will happen.

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Speaker 6: His use of the word insurrection there is important.

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02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 16: Yeah.

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02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 6: A day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists

2397
02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 6: to describe protests in Portland and complain about the federal

2398
02:13:53,160 --> 02:13:55,960
Speaker 6: judge who blocked the deployment of National Guard, saying, quote,

2399
02:13:56,200 --> 02:13:59,840
Speaker 6: Portland is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists.

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02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,240
Speaker 6: All you got to do is look at the television.

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02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:05,080
Speaker 6: It's burning to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the

2402
02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:08,840
Speaker 6: politicians are petrified for their lives. That judge ought to

2403
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 6: be ashamed.

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Speaker 2: And again nothing's been burnt down. Nothing was burnt down

2405
02:14:12,640 --> 02:14:15,880
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Most of the big nights that I

2406
02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:19,160
Speaker 2: slately have been maybe two hundred people. You know, You've

2407
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:21,560
Speaker 2: had some more on a few occasions, but like it's

2408
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:25,320
Speaker 2: usually a lot less. It's probably just unnecessary for me

2409
02:14:25,400 --> 02:14:27,560
Speaker 2: to correct all this, but I guess I can't fight

2410
02:14:27,600 --> 02:14:29,680
Speaker 2: the urge to be like, none of this is accurate

2411
02:14:29,720 --> 02:14:30,400
Speaker 2: to what's happening.

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02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:34,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the simulation is more important than the reality.

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02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:37,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, Miller has done this before, right, Like he kind

2414
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:40,680
Speaker 8: of likes to use these words that exist in legislation

2415
02:14:40,920 --> 02:14:44,000
Speaker 8: and sort of point to the direction he wants things

2416
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:46,480
Speaker 8: to go. I guess, yeah, Like he did this by

2417
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:49,240
Speaker 8: calling anti for an enterprise. We sort as to an

2418
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 8: extent with Title forty two and his reference to migrants

2419
02:14:52,120 --> 02:14:54,360
Speaker 8: to the public health threat. This is kind of a

2420
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:55,760
Speaker 8: trademark move for him.

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02:14:55,800 --> 02:14:59,919
Speaker 6: Almost no hours after the federal judge blocked the federalism

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02:15:00,240 --> 02:15:04,160
Speaker 6: of Oregon National Guard, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered

2423
02:15:04,280 --> 02:15:08,480
Speaker 6: three hundred California National Guard to be deployed to Portland.

2424
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:11,280
Speaker 6: In the next day, Texas Governor Greg Abbott authorized four

2425
02:15:11,400 --> 02:15:14,160
Speaker 6: hundred Texas National Guard to be sent to Orgon and

2426
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:18,600
Speaker 6: Illinois in coordination with the Department of War. On Sunday night,

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02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:21,400
Speaker 6: the federal judge that previously blocked the organ National Guard

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02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:25,040
Speaker 6: federalization made another ruling blocking the deployment of troops from

2429
02:15:25,160 --> 02:15:28,760
Speaker 6: California and Texas, finding that it was quote, in direct

2430
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:34,320
Speaker 6: contravention of her earlier tro This secondary toro halted any

2431
02:15:34,440 --> 02:15:39,360
Speaker 6: Federalization relocation or deployment of any Guard members to organ

2432
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:43,480
Speaker 6: from any state. The Trump administration has appealed these rulings

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02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:47,000
Speaker 6: and oral arguments will be heard on Thursday, October ninth

2434
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:51,040
Speaker 6: in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Stephen Miller called

2435
02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:54,000
Speaker 6: this ruling quote one of the most egregious and thunderous

2436
02:15:54,080 --> 02:15:57,640
Speaker 6: violations of constitutional order we have ever seen, and is

2437
02:15:57,800 --> 02:16:01,400
Speaker 6: yet the latest example of unceasing efforts to nullify the

2438
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:07,240
Speaker 6: twenty twenty fourth election by fiacht. By Monday, Miller told reporters,

2439
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:10,320
Speaker 6: without going to specifics, that the president quote has a

2440
02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:13,280
Speaker 6: very broad range and set of authorities when it comes

2441
02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:15,000
Speaker 6: to deploying federal assets.

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02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:15,800
Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 6: That same day, Monday, Trump discussed the possibility of invoking

2444
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:24,440
Speaker 6: the Insurrection Act in a White House press conference.

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02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:26,960
Speaker 16: The Insurrection Act.

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02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:29,840
Speaker 14: Sir, what the Insurrection Act under what conditions or terms

2447
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:30,120
Speaker 14: would you?

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02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:32,240
Speaker 16: Well, I do it if it was necessary. So far

2449
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:35,000
Speaker 16: it hasn't been necessary. But we have an Insurrection Act

2450
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,800
Speaker 16: for a reason. If I had to enacted, I'd do

2451
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:41,800
Speaker 16: that if people were being killed and courts were holding

2452
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:44,840
Speaker 16: us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up.

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02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:46,080
Speaker 1: Sure I do that.

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02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:48,199
Speaker 16: I mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed.

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02:16:48,560 --> 02:16:50,760
Speaker 16: We have to make sure that our cities are safe.

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02:16:51,640 --> 02:16:55,720
Speaker 16: And it's turning out, and we started with DC it's

2457
02:16:55,800 --> 02:16:58,920
Speaker 16: been so successful. You look at what's happened with Portland

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02:16:58,959 --> 02:17:03,240
Speaker 16: over the years. It's a burning hell hall. And then

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02:17:03,320 --> 02:17:08,720
Speaker 16: you have a judge that lost a way, that tries

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02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:12,760
Speaker 16: to pretend that there's no problem. Actually she's not even

2461
02:17:12,840 --> 02:17:15,600
Speaker 16: saying that there's a huge problem. Important. I'll tell you

2462
02:17:15,680 --> 02:17:16,400
Speaker 16: what the problem is.

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02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 3: Crime.

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02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:21,760
Speaker 16: Okay, crime. There's a huge problem in Chicago. It's called crime.

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02:17:22,640 --> 02:17:24,520
Speaker 16: And we want to put out the crime, and they

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02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:25,640
Speaker 16: want to inflame the crime.

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Speaker 3: Oooo.

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02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:31,440
Speaker 6: Sure, that's the clearest statement we've gotten from the President

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02:17:31,720 --> 02:17:36,080
Speaker 6: on the conditions in which he would invoke the Insurrection Act.

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02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:39,960
Speaker 6: I think, specifically pointing towards governors, mayors or courts that

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02:17:40,760 --> 02:17:46,160
Speaker 6: prevent ice from completing immigration actions in those cities and counties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the thing that we've gotten for him.

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02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:52,280
Speaker 3: That's the most specific indication of things that are happening

2474
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:55,280
Speaker 3: right now that could cause him to do it. We

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02:17:55,320 --> 02:17:57,120
Speaker 3: still don't have a direct I'm going to do it,

2476
02:17:57,400 --> 02:18:00,120
Speaker 3: but I think it's pretty clear from this that he

2477
02:18:00,560 --> 02:18:03,840
Speaker 3: wants to these people in circles. I'm talking about wanting

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02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:05,160
Speaker 3: to do it for a long time, and I think

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02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:07,400
Speaker 3: this is in some ways the closest we've gotten to it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's why you have people like Miller and

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02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:14,440
Speaker 6: Trump himself using the word insurrection when describing what's happening,

2482
02:18:14,920 --> 02:18:18,560
Speaker 6: to establish a pretext to actually follow through on that

2483
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:21,040
Speaker 6: and declare the Insurrection Act when it suits them.

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02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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02:18:21,879 --> 02:18:24,440
Speaker 8: I think it's worth noting Mellos doing Miller is often

2486
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:27,640
Speaker 8: the originator of many of these kind of legal theories.

2487
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:30,040
Speaker 8: This one has made its way to Trump.

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02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:33,440
Speaker 6: I'm going to declare an ad break and then we

2489
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:49,680
Speaker 6: will return to finish our reporting on war ravage Portland. Okay,

2490
02:18:49,800 --> 02:18:55,520
Speaker 6: we are back. DHS Secretary Christy Nome has made some

2491
02:18:56,640 --> 02:19:01,120
Speaker 6: pretty fantastic claims about the nature of these protests and

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02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:05,280
Speaker 6: the threats facing ICE agents both in Chicago and Portland.

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02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:08,040
Speaker 6: And I'm just going to play her clip from Fox

2494
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:10,920
Speaker 6: News here talking about the threats to ICE.

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02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:15,400
Speaker 17: Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized. They're getting

2496
02:19:15,440 --> 02:19:18,000
Speaker 17: more and more people on their team as far as

2497
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:21,160
Speaker 17: attacking officers, and they're making plans to ambush them and

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02:19:21,320 --> 02:19:24,560
Speaker 17: to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that

2499
02:19:24,680 --> 02:19:26,600
Speaker 17: have bounties that have been put out on their heads.

2500
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:29,760
Speaker 17: It's been two thousand dollars to kidnap them, ten thousand

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02:19:29,800 --> 02:19:32,640
Speaker 17: dollars to kill them. They've released their pictures, they've sent

2502
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:36,560
Speaker 17: them between their networks, and it's an extremely dangerous situation

2503
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:40,840
Speaker 17: and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals,

2504
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:43,520
Speaker 17: change some of our operations to keep our officers safe.

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02:19:43,600 --> 02:19:47,240
Speaker 17: But make no mistake, this isn't just about protesting free

2506
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:50,040
Speaker 17: speech or that they don't like that people out here

2507
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:53,560
Speaker 17: are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going

2508
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:56,520
Speaker 17: out there and saying, kill these people, and we'll give

2509
02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:57,680
Speaker 17: you this much money to do it.

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02:19:58,720 --> 02:19:59,920
Speaker 8: It's quite a specific claim.

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02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:05,400
Speaker 6: Miss What she's doing there is conflating alleged cartel bounties

2512
02:20:05,640 --> 02:20:10,480
Speaker 6: on ICE agents with protests happening outside of ICE facilities,

2513
02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:13,760
Speaker 6: making it sound like the protesters are putting ten thousand

2514
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:17,440
Speaker 6: dollars kill bounties on ICE officers.

2515
02:20:18,280 --> 02:20:20,760
Speaker 2: Man, let me tell you, nobody who's out at ICE

2516
02:20:20,879 --> 02:20:25,080
Speaker 2: right now has collectively ten grand to put towards a bounty.

2517
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are we doing here?

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02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:36,960
Speaker 6: On Tuesday, October seventh, Christinome arrived in Portland, Oregon, along

2519
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:40,400
Speaker 6: with her conservative podcaster sidekick Benny Johnson, who has been

2520
02:20:40,440 --> 02:20:44,880
Speaker 6: live streaming ICE operations in Chicago with Nome. Benny posted

2521
02:20:44,920 --> 02:20:49,320
Speaker 6: on x Everything app breaking DH Secretary Christinomes stares down

2522
02:20:49,959 --> 02:20:53,640
Speaker 6: army of Antifa and a guy in a chicken suit

2523
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:57,439
Speaker 6: from the rooftop of the ice facility here in Portland.

2524
02:20:57,600 --> 02:20:59,920
Speaker 2: Finally someone took that chicken guy down to size.

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02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:02,240
Speaker 6: I want to play the video that I think one

2526
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:04,440
Speaker 6: of us should like set this stage for what we're seeing.

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02:21:05,440 --> 02:21:08,240
Speaker 3: Secretary, do you have a message to the protesters, especially

2528
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:09,240
Speaker 3: the man in the chicken outfit?

2529
02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:11,120
Speaker 1: Man in the chicken outfit, I.

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02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:12,000
Speaker 3: Just see him now.

2531
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:17,480
Speaker 17: Goodness, you can do better. Our goal is that people

2532
02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:20,600
Speaker 17: would peacefully protest, but that we would still be allowed

2533
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:22,000
Speaker 17: to en first law in this country.

2534
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:24,200
Speaker 1: So it's too bad.

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02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:25,920
Speaker 17: They're uneducated and elanformed.

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02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:30,560
Speaker 6: If you look at this protest, there's about what twenty

2537
02:21:30,680 --> 02:21:34,920
Speaker 6: people on the street corner adjacent to the ice facility,

2538
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:39,800
Speaker 6: nearly as many journalists and photographers as there are protesters.

2539
02:21:39,879 --> 02:21:42,400
Speaker 6: And this is what Bennie Johnson is describing as an

2540
02:21:42,600 --> 02:21:47,640
Speaker 6: army of Antifa, is these twenty people holding signs across

2541
02:21:47,720 --> 02:21:50,240
Speaker 6: from like a police line on the edge of the

2542
02:21:50,320 --> 02:21:53,600
Speaker 6: ice facility. At a later point, Benny zooms into another

2543
02:21:53,640 --> 02:21:58,120
Speaker 6: street corner which similarly has about a dozen people over

2544
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:01,040
Speaker 6: a one block away from the ice. This is the

2545
02:22:01,160 --> 02:22:06,200
Speaker 6: army of Antifa that Benny Johnson is referring to as he,

2546
02:22:06,440 --> 02:22:10,199
Speaker 6: along with Nick Sorder, stand with Christinome on the roof

2547
02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:13,960
Speaker 6: of the ice facility, surveying the area. Which is just

2548
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:17,920
Speaker 6: a fantastical sequence of events. We time traveled and told

2549
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:21,440
Speaker 6: me that five years ago that Christy Nome and Betty

2550
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:22,840
Speaker 6: Johnson are going to be on the roof of the

2551
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:25,640
Speaker 6: ice facility calling a man in a chicken outfit an

2552
02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:28,040
Speaker 6: army of Antifa. I guess I could believe you, but

2553
02:22:28,120 --> 02:22:30,400
Speaker 6: it would still I guess it would still be upsetting it.

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02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:33,800
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't

2555
02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:35,520
Speaker 2: like argue with you. I'd be like, yeah, I mean

2556
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:38,160
Speaker 2: that sounds like a natural extension of where things are

2557
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:39,400
Speaker 2: at this point in time.

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Speaker 6: On Tuesday night, Nome went on Fox News to talk

2559
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 6: about a meeting she had with local law enforcement and

2560
02:22:46,320 --> 02:22:50,200
Speaker 6: the mayor where she threatened to send four times as

2561
02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:53,160
Speaker 6: many federal forces into Portland, Oregon.

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02:22:53,560 --> 02:22:55,600
Speaker 1: Sure Man, I told them what we wanted.

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02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:58,000
Speaker 17: We wanted more security here at the building, a bigger

2564
02:22:58,040 --> 02:23:00,440
Speaker 17: buffer zone to keep our officers safe. We wanted to

2565
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:02,760
Speaker 17: have their streets opened up again and not let the

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02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:06,119
Speaker 17: anarchists run this city anymore. That we would ask them

2567
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:09,440
Speaker 17: to continue to back us up like we've been asking for,

2568
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,800
Speaker 17: instead of what they've been doing the last several months,

2569
02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:13,760
Speaker 17: which is just leaving our officers hang.

2570
02:23:13,720 --> 02:23:14,240
Speaker 1: Out to dry.

2571
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:17,120
Speaker 17: The chief asked if I wanted to meet with the mayor,

2572
02:23:17,160 --> 02:23:19,680
Speaker 17: and I said absolutely. Came back and just met with

2573
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:23,240
Speaker 17: a mayor, and I'm so extremely disappointed he's continuing to

2574
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:26,800
Speaker 17: play politics. Did not commit to any of those promises

2575
02:23:26,959 --> 02:23:29,120
Speaker 17: and said that he'd give me an answer by tomorrow,

2576
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:31,760
Speaker 17: and I'm hopeful that he will. What I told him

2577
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:33,560
Speaker 17: is that if he did not follow through on some

2578
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:36,440
Speaker 17: of these security measures for our officers. We were going

2579
02:23:36,520 --> 02:23:39,360
Speaker 17: to cover him up with more federal resources, and that

2580
02:23:39,480 --> 02:23:41,400
Speaker 17: we were going to send four times the amount of

2581
02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:44,360
Speaker 17: federal officers here so that the people of Portland could

2582
02:23:44,400 --> 02:23:45,160
Speaker 17: have some safety.

2583
02:23:45,879 --> 02:23:52,600
Speaker 2: Again, almost no one's even there. I can't exaggerate the

2584
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:55,840
Speaker 2: degree to which this is not a major factor in

2585
02:23:56,160 --> 02:23:58,960
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of people's day to day because number one,

2586
02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:02,240
Speaker 2: where the ice facility is is cordoned off from the

2587
02:24:02,320 --> 02:24:05,959
Speaker 2: rest of the city like pretty isolated chunk. It's isolated,

2588
02:24:06,040 --> 02:24:09,199
Speaker 2: you might say. And number two, just like most people

2589
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:12,640
Speaker 2: that I know who were out in twenty twenty don't

2590
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:15,040
Speaker 2: really have a clear idea of what they should be

2591
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:17,360
Speaker 2: doing right now or what the most useful thing to

2592
02:24:17,440 --> 02:24:20,400
Speaker 2: do is right now, and have spent a lot of

2593
02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:24,680
Speaker 2: time in front of federal riot lines and aren't right now.

2594
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:29,600
Speaker 2: And like it's this complete disconnect between what's actually going

2595
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:32,959
Speaker 2: on in the city and like what's what's being reported,

2596
02:24:32,959 --> 02:24:36,160
Speaker 2: which doesn't matter really, Like it doesn't impact anything. That

2597
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:39,160
Speaker 2: everything they're saying is a lie, yeah, because their people

2598
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:39,640
Speaker 2: believe it.

2599
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:42,960
Speaker 6: It's just kind of frustrating now and this information is

2600
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:46,400
Speaker 6: all into tro document that blocked the deployment of National

2601
02:24:46,480 --> 02:24:51,200
Speaker 6: Guard quote. Plaintiffs provided all of the PPB call logs

2602
02:24:51,360 --> 02:24:53,520
Speaker 6: in the month of September, which showed that Portland Place

2603
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:57,560
Speaker 6: Bureau worked in close coordination with Federal Protective Service supervisors

2604
02:24:57,840 --> 02:25:01,000
Speaker 6: and regularly checked the status of the ICE facility as

2605
02:25:01,080 --> 02:25:04,120
Speaker 6: detailed above. They also showed that protest activity in September

2606
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:07,240
Speaker 6: generally did not involve the violence against federal property or

2607
02:25:07,320 --> 02:25:11,000
Speaker 6: personnel unquote. Where the police Bureau have been working in

2608
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:13,840
Speaker 6: coordination to manage the protests outside the ICE building, They've

2609
02:25:13,879 --> 02:25:18,640
Speaker 6: not abandoned ICE officers. That's not actually what's happening. A

2610
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:20,959
Speaker 6: federal judge is deemed that local law enforcement are more

2611
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:24,840
Speaker 6: than sufficient to handle the protests outside of the ICE facility.

2612
02:25:25,480 --> 02:25:28,200
Speaker 6: The Trump government just really wants to send the military

2613
02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:31,280
Speaker 6: into cities, as they've already done with d C, as

2614
02:25:31,320 --> 02:25:34,520
Speaker 6: they were wanting to do with Memphis, Chicago, Portland eventually

2615
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:37,000
Speaker 6: like New Orleans. This is just something that they really

2616
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:41,160
Speaker 6: want to do. On Tuesday, October seventh, Texas National Guard

2617
02:25:41,360 --> 02:25:44,840
Speaker 6: arrived in Illinois and are currently stationed at an Army

2618
02:25:44,920 --> 02:25:49,440
Speaker 6: reserve center in a suburb south of Chicago. Sunday night,

2619
02:25:49,560 --> 02:25:53,560
Speaker 6: Governor Pritzker made a statement reading, quote, this evening, President

2620
02:25:53,640 --> 02:25:56,039
Speaker 6: Trump is ordering four hundred members of the Texas National

2621
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:59,200
Speaker 6: Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and other locations within

2622
02:25:59,240 --> 02:26:02,040
Speaker 6: the United States. We must now start calling this what

2623
02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:04,800
Speaker 6: it is, Trump's invasion. It started with federal agents, will

2624
02:26:04,840 --> 02:26:07,600
Speaker 6: soon include deploying federalized members of the Illinois National Guard

2625
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:10,040
Speaker 6: against our wishes, and it will now involve sending in

2626
02:26:10,200 --> 02:26:13,720
Speaker 6: another state's military troops. There is no reason a president

2627
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:16,920
Speaker 6: should send military troops into a sovereign state without their knowledge, consent,

2628
02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:18,000
Speaker 6: or cooperation.

2629
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:19,600
Speaker 3: Unquote.

2630
02:26:20,480 --> 02:26:22,280
Speaker 6: The state of Illinois announced that they would be seeking

2631
02:26:22,280 --> 02:26:26,240
Speaker 6: their own tro against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney

2632
02:26:26,400 --> 02:26:29,440
Speaker 6: General said in a statement quote, the American people, regardless

2633
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:31,200
Speaker 6: of where they reside, should not live under the threat

2634
02:26:31,240 --> 02:26:34,480
Speaker 6: of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the

2635
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:37,879
Speaker 6: reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out

2636
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:42,520
Speaker 6: of a president's favor. And on Monday, Chicago Mayor Brandon

2637
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:45,800
Speaker 6: Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling

2638
02:26:45,879 --> 02:26:50,240
Speaker 6: private businesses as ice free zones and discuss the deployment

2639
02:26:50,400 --> 02:26:53,360
Speaker 6: of troops from out of state by warning quote the

2640
02:26:53,480 --> 02:26:56,000
Speaker 6: right wing in this country wants a rematch of the

2641
02:26:56,120 --> 02:26:59,680
Speaker 6: Civil War unquote. Yeah, and so we have a kind

2642
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:02,240
Speaker 6: of news update, which is so this is being recorded

2643
02:27:02,440 --> 02:27:06,520
Speaker 6: on Wednesday, October eighth. It's possible this will again change

2644
02:27:06,560 --> 02:27:08,440
Speaker 6: by the time this comes out. The most recent information

2645
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:11,280
Speaker 6: we have is and this is supported by CBS per

2646
02:27:11,360 --> 02:27:15,640
Speaker 6: a statement from US Northern Command, which is part of

2647
02:27:15,680 --> 02:27:19,560
Speaker 6: the Defense Department's War Department. But yes, they're sitting five

2648
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:24,320
Speaker 6: hundred troops. I'm just going to read the direct quote Illinois,

2649
02:27:24,360 --> 02:27:27,320
Speaker 6: approximately two hundred soldiers from various units of the Texas

2650
02:27:27,400 --> 02:27:30,480
Speaker 6: National Guard and approximately three hundred soldiers from various units

2651
02:27:30,480 --> 02:27:32,920
Speaker 6: of the Illinois National Guard were activated into a Title

2652
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:35,560
Speaker 6: ten status and have arrived in the Greater Chicago area.

2653
02:27:36,280 --> 02:27:38,840
Speaker 6: National Guard re mobilized for an initial period of sixty days,

2654
02:27:38,879 --> 02:27:41,080
Speaker 6: will be under the command and control of the commander

2655
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:45,240
Speaker 6: of US Northern Command. So that's where we are right now. Yeah,

2656
02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:48,800
Speaker 6: there is out of state Guard deployed into Illinois, like

2657
02:27:48,879 --> 02:27:51,720
Speaker 6: they are in this borders of the state right now.

2658
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:54,840
Speaker 6: When Haiggs has tried to deployed California National Guard to Oregon,

2659
02:27:54,920 --> 02:27:57,600
Speaker 6: it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon,

2660
02:27:58,040 --> 02:28:01,240
Speaker 6: but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard

2661
02:28:01,720 --> 02:28:04,000
Speaker 6: in the borders of Illinois.

2662
02:28:04,280 --> 02:28:04,440
Speaker 3: YEP.

2663
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:10,280
Speaker 6: This morning, Donald Trump truthed on truth Social that quote,

2664
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:13,560
Speaker 6: Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect

2665
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:17,160
Speaker 6: ICE officers. Governor Pritzker also unquote, is that the President

2666
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:19,640
Speaker 6: of the United States calling for the jailing of a

2667
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:21,320
Speaker 6: mayor and governor.

2668
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also more recently calling for the jailing of

2669
02:28:24,840 --> 02:28:27,640
Speaker 2: everyone who burns American flags and a anim of a

2670
02:28:27,720 --> 02:28:31,840
Speaker 2: year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear.

2671
02:28:31,959 --> 02:28:34,000
Speaker 2: There's not a legal underpinning for that, other than he's

2672
02:28:34,040 --> 02:28:36,640
Speaker 2: instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks.

2673
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:39,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is just words that he's saying.

2674
02:28:39,440 --> 02:28:41,800
Speaker 6: But I think the words that he's saying are sometimes

2675
02:28:41,959 --> 02:28:43,920
Speaker 6: not always, but sometimes important.

2676
02:28:44,200 --> 02:28:44,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2677
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:48,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want to turn from here to the

2678
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:52,160
Speaker 3: other occupation of Chicago, the one that has been doing

2679
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:54,800
Speaker 3: significant damage already in the city as we have been covering,

2680
02:28:54,840 --> 02:29:00,800
Speaker 3: which is the Ice and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago.

2681
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:06,000
Speaker 3: There's been more escalations that we are going to spend

2682
02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:08,480
Speaker 3: a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun

2683
02:29:09,680 --> 02:29:14,200
Speaker 3: detaining unhoused people. We have reports of eleven total people

2684
02:29:14,320 --> 02:29:17,160
Speaker 3: they've detained so far. Most of them have been released.

2685
02:29:17,879 --> 02:29:19,920
Speaker 3: But the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon

2686
02:29:19,959 --> 02:29:22,680
Speaker 3: Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was for people who

2687
02:29:22,760 --> 02:29:27,080
Speaker 3: were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview, who were outside

2688
02:29:27,080 --> 02:29:29,680
Speaker 3: a shelter. According to the Chicago Reader, we don't know

2689
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:33,240
Speaker 3: where they are Jesus as if when say they're just gone,

2690
02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:37,280
Speaker 3: no one, no one has been able to trace them down. Yeah,

2691
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:40,720
Speaker 3: and this seems to be part of a broader trend

2692
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:47,119
Speaker 3: of ICE agents taking action against people who I mean

2693
02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:52,240
Speaker 3: appeared to be US citizens. We saw this a couple

2694
02:29:52,320 --> 02:29:55,000
Speaker 3: like last week with and this is another thing that

2695
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:57,960
Speaker 3: Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned with him with ICE agents just

2696
02:29:58,120 --> 02:30:01,520
Speaker 3: choking a black man out on the street. The major

2697
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:04,760
Speaker 3: story is that there has been a second shooting by

2698
02:30:04,959 --> 02:30:09,440
Speaker 3: ICE in Chicago on What we know for sure about

2699
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:11,959
Speaker 3: this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE agent

2700
02:30:12,040 --> 02:30:16,880
Speaker 3: shot a woman named Merrimar Martinez, who appeared to have

2701
02:30:16,920 --> 02:30:19,320
Speaker 3: been part of a group that was following ICE vehicles

2702
02:30:19,360 --> 02:30:23,920
Speaker 3: around the city. Martinez was shot and drove herself to

2703
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:26,320
Speaker 3: a nearby auto repair shop, where a medics and police

2704
02:30:26,440 --> 02:30:31,000
Speaker 3: showed up. I'm going to read the Sun Times' account

2705
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:35,560
Speaker 3: from the shop managers who they spoke to of what

2706
02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:39,640
Speaker 3: happened when she got to the body shop. Quote, the

2707
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:41,959
Speaker 3: shop manager spoke with a nine to one one operator

2708
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:45,320
Speaker 3: and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely.

2709
02:30:45,400 --> 02:30:48,360
Speaker 3: I mean it was instant puddles. Police and paramedic showed

2710
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:50,920
Speaker 3: up a few minutes later, he said. As paramedics place

2711
02:30:50,959 --> 02:30:54,480
Speaker 3: a turnquit on Martinez's leg and arm, a bullet fell

2712
02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:56,440
Speaker 3: out of her arm and onto the shop floor. The

2713
02:30:56,560 --> 02:31:01,080
Speaker 3: manager said, Martinez thankfully does not seem to have been

2714
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:04,640
Speaker 3: really really severely injured. She is like she is enabled

2715
02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:09,560
Speaker 3: medical condition. Now, EHS put out a press release almost

2716
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:13,000
Speaker 3: immediately claiming that their agents who were quote ambushed by

2717
02:31:13,080 --> 02:31:17,000
Speaker 3: domestic terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and

2718
02:31:17,160 --> 02:31:20,160
Speaker 3: that quote Nortinez, woman they shot was quote aren't with

2719
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:24,840
Speaker 3: a semiongmatic weapon and has a history of docsing federal agents. Now,

2720
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:28,080
Speaker 3: it is worth noting that best practice when looking at

2721
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:31,400
Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under Trump administration, is

2722
02:31:31,440 --> 02:31:33,840
Speaker 3: too simply assume that they are not telling the truth

2723
02:31:33,959 --> 02:31:38,520
Speaker 3: until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What the

2724
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:45,720
Speaker 3: exact situation was before the shooting is very unclear. Both

2725
02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:50,200
Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed that

2726
02:31:50,760 --> 02:31:53,920
Speaker 3: a group of cars basically boxed in an ice vehicle,

2727
02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:56,879
Speaker 3: and their repeated claims that they were ramming the ice

2728
02:31:56,959 --> 02:31:59,959
Speaker 3: vehicle and then that's why the ice agent opened fire.

2729
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:02,640
Speaker 3: That's the DHS's claims. Yeah, yeah, this is this is

2730
02:32:02,680 --> 02:32:04,400
Speaker 3: the DHS's claims, and these are the claims that are

2731
02:32:04,480 --> 02:32:07,240
Speaker 3: made in court documents. I want to read from the

2732
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:12,840
Speaker 3: Sun Times also Martinez's lawyer's description of what's going on,

2733
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:16,800
Speaker 3: because it is significantly different from the government's account. And

2734
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:19,560
Speaker 3: it's also it's also worth mentioning that there's already been

2735
02:32:20,600 --> 02:32:24,920
Speaker 3: some deviation between the court documents and the DHS statement.

2736
02:32:24,959 --> 02:32:27,520
Speaker 3: For example, the court the DHS statement mentions a semi

2737
02:32:27,560 --> 02:32:30,920
Speaker 3: automatic weapon, and there's just simply no mention of that

2738
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:34,440
Speaker 3: in like in any of the sort of charging documents.

2739
02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:36,280
Speaker 3: The deadly weapon that she's being accused of doing an

2740
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:38,680
Speaker 3: assault with, which is what she's been charged with, is

2741
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:42,119
Speaker 3: the car. Yeah. So here's here's from the Sun Times.

2742
02:32:42,480 --> 02:32:45,800
Speaker 3: So PARENTI, who is her attorney. Parenti also offered to

2743
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:50,039
Speaker 3: play an agent's body cam video that shows the shooting,

2744
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:52,840
Speaker 3: noting prosecutors did not show the video that he claims

2745
02:32:52,879 --> 02:32:56,000
Speaker 3: disputes the government's version of the shooting. Parente said the

2746
02:32:56,120 --> 02:32:59,720
Speaker 3: video shows an agent turning a federal vehicle left into

2747
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:04,720
Speaker 3: her Tina's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote, do something, bitch.

2748
02:33:05,240 --> 02:33:08,880
Speaker 3: The agent then exits the vehicle and shoots Martinez. The

2749
02:33:08,959 --> 02:33:12,160
Speaker 3: attorney said Martinez had quote seven holes in her from

2750
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:14,080
Speaker 3: the shooting, and that agents were in such a hurry

2751
02:33:14,120 --> 02:33:16,840
Speaker 3: to take her into custody at the hospital that they

2752
02:33:16,879 --> 02:33:22,920
Speaker 3: had to return later when Martinez began bleeding from her wounds. Yeah. Yeah,

2753
02:33:23,480 --> 02:33:27,160
Speaker 3: so this is a significantly different portrayal of the shooting.

2754
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:30,040
Speaker 3: We do not have access to this bodycam footage yet

2755
02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:33,240
Speaker 3: it has not been released to the public. There is

2756
02:33:33,320 --> 02:33:35,440
Speaker 3: a video that we do have that does not show

2757
02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:37,440
Speaker 3: the shooting, that shows some of the stuff leading up

2758
02:33:37,480 --> 02:33:41,240
Speaker 3: to the shooting, from that sort of audi repair shop

2759
02:33:41,320 --> 02:33:45,280
Speaker 3: that she went to. It is still very unclear what

2760
02:33:45,879 --> 02:33:48,400
Speaker 3: exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot

2761
02:33:48,440 --> 02:33:51,440
Speaker 3: this woman. That's the only thing that we one percent know.

2762
02:33:52,200 --> 02:33:55,320
Speaker 6: She does have a concealed terry license and had a

2763
02:33:55,480 --> 02:33:59,560
Speaker 6: handgun in the car with her. Yeah, the lawyers have

2764
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:01,760
Speaker 6: claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in

2765
02:34:01,800 --> 02:34:02,920
Speaker 6: the passenger seat.

2766
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:06,560
Speaker 2: And there's no evidence that she did brandish the No, no, no.

2767
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:09,640
Speaker 6: Nor is Ice even claiming that, like like, Ice isn't

2768
02:34:09,640 --> 02:34:12,200
Speaker 6: even claiming that she brandished weapon. Ice isn't claiming that

2769
02:34:12,280 --> 02:34:13,039
Speaker 6: she fired a weapon.

2770
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:15,760
Speaker 2: No ice specific claim is that when she was arrested later,

2771
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:18,600
Speaker 2: she had the weapon on her, which could refer to

2772
02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:19,520
Speaker 2: the vehicle or whatever.

2773
02:34:20,120 --> 02:34:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and I will say so. The initial Department

2774
02:34:23,560 --> 02:34:27,039
Speaker 3: of Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with. Correct,

2775
02:34:27,320 --> 02:34:29,720
Speaker 3: Semiana had weapon. I think a lot of people took

2776
02:34:29,840 --> 02:34:33,480
Speaker 3: that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying stuff

2777
02:34:33,560 --> 02:34:35,400
Speaker 3: by saying that she was armed with even though she

2778
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:35,840
Speaker 3: was not.

2779
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Speaker 6: They're inhabiting the ambiguity of the right, Like yeah, right.

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Speaker 6: They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you

2781
02:34:43,240 --> 02:34:46,480
Speaker 6: infer that this person may have fired at Ice. Yeah,

2782
02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:48,840
Speaker 6: even though DTS has never actually claimed that, they are

2783
02:34:48,879 --> 02:34:52,480
Speaker 6: trying to selectively use words to make people infer things

2784
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:54,320
Speaker 6: that they're not even actually explicitly claiming.

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02:34:55,000 --> 02:34:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and we're going to have to get more

2786
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:02,480
Speaker 3: details when we're going to have wait to see exactly

2787
02:35:02,600 --> 02:35:07,120
Speaker 3: what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is

2788
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:11,320
Speaker 3: that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work

2789
02:35:12,080 --> 02:35:15,959
Speaker 3: and it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely

2790
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:19,600
Speaker 3: injured or killed. And this is again the second time

2791
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:23,400
Speaker 3: they have done this since ICE's deployment in the city.

2792
02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:26,119
Speaker 3: The first time they did just straight up kill a man.

2793
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Speaker 3: So we'll be following the story as as it develops,

2794
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:33,000
Speaker 3: and we'll be following the continued actions of ICE in

2795
02:35:33,160 --> 02:35:38,760
Speaker 3: Chicago and other places. Yeah, and we will continue to

2796
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:41,880
Speaker 3: talk about stuff after these ads.

2797
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Speaker 8: All right, and we are back MEI was talking about

2798
02:35:58,480 --> 02:36:00,800
Speaker 8: rapid responders here, and I want to talk a little

2799
02:36:00,840 --> 02:36:03,160
Speaker 8: bit about one of the tools that they were using,

2800
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:06,960
Speaker 8: which was called People Over Papers. There are many of

2801
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:10,960
Speaker 8: these apps that have sprung up since the January of

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02:36:11,000 --> 02:36:14,320
Speaker 8: this year, rate since we saw much more visible immigration

2803
02:36:14,480 --> 02:36:18,440
Speaker 8: enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was the I guess

2804
02:36:18,520 --> 02:36:22,520
Speaker 8: bulletin board type service that was People over Papers relied on,

2805
02:36:23,160 --> 02:36:27,080
Speaker 8: has removed People over Papers right say it violated their

2806
02:36:27,160 --> 02:36:30,160
Speaker 8: terms of service. The removal comes just a few days

2807
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:33,720
Speaker 8: after a Laura Luma tweet, which tag the CEO claimed

2808
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:36,320
Speaker 8: that People over Papers was violating the terms of service

2809
02:36:36,440 --> 02:36:41,200
Speaker 8: by quote harassment, stalking, privacy violations, inciting violence, and other

2810
02:36:41,440 --> 02:36:46,360
Speaker 8: unlawful activity. Luma, there is noting things in the terms

2811
02:36:46,400 --> 02:36:50,200
Speaker 8: of service she perceives people to be doing with People

2812
02:36:50,280 --> 02:36:54,040
Speaker 8: over Papers right. This has happened after another of these apps,

2813
02:36:54,120 --> 02:36:57,280
Speaker 8: ice Block, was removed from app stores last week, also

2814
02:36:57,360 --> 02:37:02,360
Speaker 8: involved some LUMA posting to Blee. Tricia McLachlin, the DHS

2815
02:37:02,400 --> 02:37:06,120
Speaker 8: Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, has claimed and this is

2816
02:37:06,200 --> 02:37:09,039
Speaker 8: in contravention of what's widely held to be caught precedent

2817
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:12,560
Speaker 8: and the Lord. She has claimed that videotaping ice agents

2818
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:17,680
Speaker 8: is doxing them, and separately, Christie nom has claimed that

2819
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:22,040
Speaker 8: doxing is an act of violence. We can join the

2820
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:25,920
Speaker 8: two dots there in videotaping ice agents is an act

2821
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:29,080
Speaker 8: of violence seems to be what's being suggested here. We

2822
02:37:29,240 --> 02:37:32,480
Speaker 8: can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation

2823
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:37,280
Speaker 8: of Atlanta area report to Mario. Mario was held for

2824
02:37:37,400 --> 02:37:41,600
Speaker 8: more than one hundred days in detention. He was arrested

2825
02:37:41,640 --> 02:37:44,080
Speaker 8: a No Kings Day protest. If you can remember back

2826
02:37:44,120 --> 02:37:46,800
Speaker 8: when people were doing those things, but the charges against

2827
02:37:46,879 --> 02:37:50,120
Speaker 8: him were dropped. However, since then the government has argued

2828
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:53,680
Speaker 8: that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat to

2829
02:37:53,879 --> 02:37:58,440
Speaker 8: public safety. Mara has now been deported back to El Salvador.

2830
02:37:59,080 --> 02:38:03,960
Speaker 8: He's an Atlanta reporter and like I guess to editorialize,

2831
02:38:03,959 --> 02:38:05,600
Speaker 8: it would be really nice to see a fraction of

2832
02:38:05,640 --> 02:38:08,480
Speaker 8: the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel as someone who's

2833
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:11,640
Speaker 8: actually doing reporting right, not just trying to be funny.

2834
02:38:11,959 --> 02:38:14,000
Speaker 2: He's not as big as Jimmy Kimmel. There's never as

2835
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:14,640
Speaker 2: any followers.

2836
02:38:15,080 --> 02:38:19,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but he's also been sent to El Salvador,

2837
02:38:19,360 --> 02:38:22,320
Speaker 8: whereas Jimmy Kimmel was sent back to his mansion in

2838
02:38:22,400 --> 02:38:25,800
Speaker 8: Hollie What eggs, Yeah, exactly for like less than a week.

2839
02:38:26,320 --> 02:38:30,280
Speaker 8: So I'm going to link in the show notes both

2840
02:38:30,400 --> 02:38:32,840
Speaker 8: to an abvacy campaign and the freem of the Press

2841
02:38:32,959 --> 02:38:37,240
Speaker 8: Foundation piece about Mario, and you guys can can check

2842
02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:40,120
Speaker 8: that out if you'd like to. Second character for this

2843
02:38:40,280 --> 02:38:45,760
Speaker 8: week is Tom Hohman. You guys will remember Tom Horman Bordizar,

2844
02:38:46,760 --> 02:38:52,039
Speaker 8: a guy who famously, well relatively recently, has become famous

2845
02:38:52,280 --> 02:38:56,160
Speaker 8: for scenically accepting a bag with fifty thousand dollars of

2846
02:38:56,320 --> 02:39:01,000
Speaker 8: cash in it in an FBI sting operation. Let's play

2847
02:39:01,080 --> 02:39:05,920
Speaker 8: this clip of Pam Bondy, who is answering questions in

2848
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:08,800
Speaker 8: front of Congress here about what happened to the literal

2849
02:39:08,840 --> 02:39:09,520
Speaker 8: bag of cash?

2850
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:12,400
Speaker 3: What became of the.

2851
02:39:14,040 --> 02:39:19,680
Speaker 4: Fifty thousand dollars in cash that the FBI paid to

2852
02:39:20,920 --> 02:39:29,440
Speaker 4: mister Homan in a paper bag? Evidently, Oh my.

2853
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:31,080
Speaker 3: God, Tom and Jerry asked shit.

2854
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:34,800
Speaker 8: She's looking through her notes right now, she's selected the.

2855
02:39:34,800 --> 02:39:36,600
Speaker 1: Page, Senator.

2856
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:41,120
Speaker 7: As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated, the investigation

2857
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:43,680
Speaker 7: of mister Homan was subjected to a full review by

2858
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:49,039
Speaker 7: the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible

2859
02:39:49,120 --> 02:39:51,440
Speaker 7: evidence of any wrongdoing, and.

2860
02:39:51,560 --> 02:39:55,320
Speaker 4: That was not my question. My question was what became

2861
02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:59,920
Speaker 4: of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that the FBI delivered,

2862
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:02,800
Speaker 4: evidently in a paper bag to mister Homan.

2863
02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:05,440
Speaker 1: Senator, I look at your facts.

2864
02:40:10,160 --> 02:40:12,280
Speaker 4: Are you saying that they did not deliver fifty thousand

2865
02:40:12,280 --> 02:40:13,440
Speaker 4: dollars in cash to mister Home?

2866
02:40:13,480 --> 02:40:17,160
Speaker 7: Senitor as recently stated, the investigation of mister Homan was

2867
02:40:17,240 --> 02:40:18,720
Speaker 7: subjected to a full.

2868
02:40:19,160 --> 02:40:22,440
Speaker 1: Question by the FBI agent that's by.

2869
02:40:22,480 --> 02:40:28,039
Speaker 7: Department of Justice prosecutors. They found no evidence of wrongdoing.

2870
02:40:28,360 --> 02:40:31,960
Speaker 4: That's a different question. What became of the fifty thousand dollars?

2871
02:40:33,240 --> 02:40:34,400
Speaker 4: Did the FBI get it back?

2872
02:40:35,400 --> 02:40:38,440
Speaker 7: Mister white House? Excuse me, Senator white House, You're welcome

2873
02:40:38,520 --> 02:40:39,039
Speaker 7: to talk to the.

2874
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:41,240
Speaker 3: FBI the report to you.

2875
02:40:41,440 --> 02:40:42,640
Speaker 4: Can't you answer this question?

2876
02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:48,400
Speaker 6: First of all, this guy's name is mister Whitehouse. Senator

2877
02:40:48,480 --> 02:40:52,279
Speaker 6: white House, Charrison. That surely is a little confuser.

2878
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:57,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe against some emails for a wrong person. Sheldon

2879
02:40:57,560 --> 02:40:59,080
Speaker 8: Whitehouse apparentes.

2880
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:01,760
Speaker 2: Theoretically, if he had a job for the administration, his

2881
02:41:01,879 --> 02:41:04,039
Speaker 2: email will be white House at white House dot gov.

2882
02:41:04,520 --> 02:41:05,560
Speaker 6: Yes, that's cool.

2883
02:41:05,680 --> 02:41:09,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen,

2884
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:12,640
Speaker 8: given the line of questioning that he pursued here. But yeah,

2885
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:17,199
Speaker 8: you can hear Ritchie. She seems to be unwilling to answer.

2886
02:41:17,760 --> 02:41:25,080
Speaker 8: Where the paper bag of cash money? Yeah, has gone

2887
02:41:25,240 --> 02:41:26,080
Speaker 8: incredible stuff.

2888
02:41:26,360 --> 02:41:28,680
Speaker 2: But it's easier to lose that than you'd think you.

2889
02:41:28,840 --> 02:41:31,280
Speaker 8: One would assume that FBI would have some kind of

2890
02:41:31,400 --> 02:41:34,920
Speaker 8: tracking capability when giving someone fifty thousand dollars in a

2891
02:41:35,040 --> 02:41:36,680
Speaker 8: paper bag, But here we are.

2892
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:39,280
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a no country for all mint kind of situation.

2893
02:41:39,360 --> 02:41:41,920
Speaker 2: Whoever found it was smart enough to dune transponder first,

2894
02:41:42,760 --> 02:41:46,440
Speaker 2: we will probably never know if they're smart.

2895
02:41:46,560 --> 02:41:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2896
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:51,520
Speaker 8: Well, building on that, what Pro Publicer is now reporting

2897
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:55,600
Speaker 8: is that Homan went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant

2898
02:41:55,680 --> 02:42:00,320
Speaker 8: named Child Soul, and that Soul has been offering cons

2899
02:42:00,360 --> 02:42:03,160
Speaker 8: on how to obtain contracts a Department of Homeland Security.

2900
02:42:03,760 --> 02:42:07,240
Speaker 8: So Homan consulted for Soul's firm during the buyer the administration,

2901
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:10,640
Speaker 8: and during that same period, Soul became the chair of

2902
02:42:10,840 --> 02:42:15,720
Speaker 8: Homan's Border nine to one one Foundation. According to their reporting,

2903
02:42:16,320 --> 02:42:18,840
Speaker 8: Pro Publica has called into questioning the extent to which

2904
02:42:18,920 --> 02:42:22,440
Speaker 8: Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he

2905
02:42:22,520 --> 02:42:26,560
Speaker 8: participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So

2906
02:42:26,720 --> 02:42:30,440
Speaker 8: normally a government official would be bound to steer clear

2907
02:42:30,640 --> 02:42:32,840
Speaker 8: of their former business associates for at least a year

2908
02:42:33,480 --> 02:42:36,520
Speaker 8: when they enter office. Right, I can't like consult for

2909
02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:41,000
Speaker 8: Garrison Inc. And then become procurement for DHS and immediately

2910
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:44,480
Speaker 8: buy one thousand of whatever Garrison Inc. Is selling you.

2911
02:42:44,920 --> 02:42:47,879
Speaker 8: You can tag Garrison on a blue sky where they

2912
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:49,760
Speaker 8: will read what you think they're selling.

2913
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:52,440
Speaker 6: If this will result in me getting fifty thousand dollars

2914
02:42:52,520 --> 02:42:55,160
Speaker 6: in a paper bag, then you know, maybe.

2915
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:58,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting

2916
02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:00,720
Speaker 8: the fifty thousand dollars from Garrison Ink came return for

2917
02:43:00,879 --> 02:43:03,160
Speaker 8: buying whatever it is that you are selling orbs.

2918
02:43:03,320 --> 02:43:04,920
Speaker 6: Maybe yeah, that's not a great deal.

2919
02:43:05,240 --> 02:43:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah did Yeah, I did.

2920
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:06,360
Speaker 16: Well.

2921
02:43:06,840 --> 02:43:10,200
Speaker 6: Seems like it was a great deal in this instance

2922
02:43:10,400 --> 02:43:11,119
Speaker 6: for a Tom Holman.

2923
02:43:11,200 --> 02:43:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well.

2924
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:14,720
Speaker 8: Their reporting suggests that Herman went from a relatively modest

2925
02:43:14,800 --> 02:43:17,880
Speaker 8: income in twenty seventeen to being a multimillionaire by the

2926
02:43:17,959 --> 02:43:21,080
Speaker 8: time he filed his twenty twenty five disclosure documents. When

2927
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:23,080
Speaker 8: you assume federal office that you have to file these

2928
02:43:23,160 --> 02:43:27,200
Speaker 8: disclosure documents disclose your assets, I guess the famous one

2929
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:31,200
Speaker 8: is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that during

2930
02:43:31,240 --> 02:43:34,840
Speaker 8: that time his personal network increased significantly, right, he did

2931
02:43:34,840 --> 02:43:37,160
Speaker 8: a lot of consulting. He became like a talking head

2932
02:43:37,200 --> 02:43:40,640
Speaker 8: on Fox News in the Biden administration, it's difficult to

2933
02:43:40,680 --> 02:43:43,360
Speaker 8: summarize the intricacies of history. I encourage you to read it.

2934
02:43:43,800 --> 02:43:46,720
Speaker 8: For instance, of the third person called Mark Hall, who

2935
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:49,400
Speaker 8: appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan,

2936
02:43:49,480 --> 02:43:53,000
Speaker 8: but also retaining relationship with Soul's clients. It looks a

2937
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:57,000
Speaker 8: lot like what's happening is that the people who Homan

2938
02:43:57,120 --> 02:44:00,320
Speaker 8: had been doing consulting with and now trying to make

2939
02:44:00,600 --> 02:44:03,320
Speaker 8: money saying that they have act special access to DHF

2940
02:44:03,400 --> 02:44:06,800
Speaker 8: based off that consulting. This kind of builds on some

2941
02:44:06,920 --> 02:44:09,320
Speaker 8: of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about

2942
02:44:09,400 --> 02:44:13,480
Speaker 8: last week. Right finally, on the immigration beat, I want

2943
02:44:13,720 --> 02:44:17,400
Speaker 8: to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has

2944
02:44:17,480 --> 02:44:20,120
Speaker 8: stated that the petitioner I'm not going to name the person,

2945
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:23,040
Speaker 8: I don't think it's necessary, was taken to hospital by

2946
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:27,080
Speaker 8: CBP after they severely injured his leg on a raid

2947
02:44:27,200 --> 02:44:31,080
Speaker 8: in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked

2948
02:44:31,360 --> 02:44:35,280
Speaker 8: into the hospital under a pseudonym and kept there under

2949
02:44:35,440 --> 02:44:39,760
Speaker 8: armed guard from August to twenty seventh until October fourth.

2950
02:44:40,280 --> 02:44:41,560
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

2951
02:44:42,560 --> 02:44:45,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, So this person, they weren't coming up in the

2952
02:44:45,360 --> 02:44:48,800
Speaker 8: detainee locator, right, They hadn't apparently been allocated in a number,

2953
02:44:48,840 --> 02:44:50,680
Speaker 8: which is what you'd normally used to look someone up

2954
02:44:50,760 --> 02:44:54,360
Speaker 8: on the ice detainee locator. And I guess the argument

2955
02:44:54,400 --> 02:44:55,880
Speaker 8: there was that they weren't booked in until they left

2956
02:44:55,879 --> 02:44:59,080
Speaker 8: the hospital, so this person basically disappeared for more than

2957
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:03,080
Speaker 8: a month. The judges granted that petitioner an attentive restraining

2958
02:45:03,280 --> 02:45:06,960
Speaker 8: order in that instance. Right, But I think this I

2959
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:10,480
Speaker 8: have been receiving a lot of messages about a Chicago

2960
02:45:10,600 --> 02:45:13,760
Speaker 8: older person who was detained by ICE at a hospital,

2961
02:45:14,520 --> 02:45:17,480
Speaker 8: and I have seen a number of reports that suggest

2962
02:45:17,760 --> 02:45:20,200
Speaker 8: that that's because Ice were detaining people in the hospital.

2963
02:45:20,360 --> 02:45:22,240
Speaker 8: To my knowledge, the only person they detained in the

2964
02:45:22,280 --> 02:45:25,880
Speaker 8: hospital was the older person. They were not detaining patients

2965
02:45:25,959 --> 02:45:28,360
Speaker 8: at the hospital. They were there because they had bought

2966
02:45:28,520 --> 02:45:31,720
Speaker 8: somebody to the hospital in order for that person to

2967
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:34,840
Speaker 8: be a patient, because that person was in their detention,

2968
02:45:35,080 --> 02:45:38,959
Speaker 8: in their care and needed medical assistance. I have seen

2969
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:43,480
Speaker 8: outlets I don't should I name them, like Democracy Now

2970
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:46,240
Speaker 8: got this wrong, and so that they were arresting people,

2971
02:45:46,520 --> 02:45:48,360
Speaker 8: so like Democracy Now is one example, right. I have

2972
02:45:48,440 --> 02:45:50,640
Speaker 8: seen outlets reporting this as Ice were in the hospital

2973
02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:53,720
Speaker 8: detaining people. Nothing I have seen leads me to believe that,

2974
02:45:54,320 --> 02:45:56,080
Speaker 8: and lots of things I have seen leave me not

2975
02:45:56,360 --> 02:45:59,280
Speaker 8: to believe that. It doesn't mean it's great for the

2976
02:45:59,320 --> 02:46:01,760
Speaker 8: people who are bored in hospital by ICE, and sure

2977
02:46:01,800 --> 02:46:03,680
Speaker 8: it fucking sucks. I'm sure it has a chilling effect

2978
02:46:03,720 --> 02:46:05,560
Speaker 8: on other people going to hospital to know that they

2979
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:09,040
Speaker 8: are there, But so does reporting that suggests that you

2980
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:11,600
Speaker 8: can be picked up in hospital if you're an impatient

2981
02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:14,080
Speaker 8: or if you're in the emergency room. That stops people

2982
02:46:14,120 --> 02:46:17,600
Speaker 8: accessing medical care, that actively puts people in danger. We

2983
02:46:17,720 --> 02:46:21,600
Speaker 8: need to be really, really fucking careful when sharing this shit.

2984
02:46:22,480 --> 02:46:26,119
Speaker 8: That includes people who are journalists or claiming to be journalists.

2985
02:46:26,840 --> 02:46:29,840
Speaker 2: People are so upset, rightly so, with what ICE is

2986
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:33,080
Speaker 2: doing that there can be this attitude and I've encountered

2987
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:38,119
Speaker 2: before of like, well, by undercautioning people, that's the biggest risk.

2988
02:46:38,280 --> 02:46:40,080
Speaker 2: And it's like now when we're talking about whether or

2989
02:46:40,120 --> 02:46:42,440
Speaker 2: not people go to the hospital for life serving care, Like, no,

2990
02:46:42,560 --> 02:46:45,760
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's just not like these are not equivalent risks.

2991
02:46:46,440 --> 02:46:49,320
Speaker 2: More people are going to be in a position where

2992
02:46:49,520 --> 02:46:51,760
Speaker 2: they would be scared off from going to the hospital

2993
02:46:52,280 --> 02:46:54,360
Speaker 2: and not in any danger from ICE going to it,

2994
02:46:54,480 --> 02:46:57,040
Speaker 2: then might possibly be in danger going to the hospital.

2995
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:00,160
Speaker 2: Like you're just endangering people by trying to get them

2996
02:47:00,200 --> 02:47:01,840
Speaker 2: to believe it is not safe for them to go

2997
02:47:02,280 --> 02:47:05,320
Speaker 2: receive life saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now,

2998
02:47:05,879 --> 02:47:07,400
Speaker 2: is it possible that's going to change?

2999
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:07,680
Speaker 3: Good?

3000
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:10,119
Speaker 2: God, I'm certainly not going to say no, right, I'm

3001
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:11,440
Speaker 2: certainly not going to say no.

3002
02:47:11,440 --> 02:47:12,040
Speaker 8: One hundred percent.

3003
02:47:12,640 --> 02:47:15,720
Speaker 2: But that's not where we are right now. Just overcautioning

3004
02:47:15,800 --> 02:47:19,480
Speaker 2: people is not a net good in this instance. Yeah, absolutely,

3005
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:22,160
Speaker 2: sometimes it is, but not here because again, if people

3006
02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:23,800
Speaker 2: don't go to the hospital on time, they die.

3007
02:47:24,280 --> 02:47:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3008
02:47:24,520 --> 02:47:27,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I'm aware of cases where people with genuinely

3009
02:47:27,560 --> 02:47:31,440
Speaker 8: life threatening medical emergencies have been had to be persuaded

3010
02:47:31,480 --> 02:47:33,360
Speaker 8: to go to the hospital by people right because they

3011
02:47:33,400 --> 02:47:35,680
Speaker 8: had seen this. Because these rooms don't just spread via

3012
02:47:36,280 --> 02:47:38,600
Speaker 8: social media built by WhatsApp groups and things, and it

3013
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:39,879
Speaker 8: can be very scary for people.

3014
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:43,400
Speaker 2: Well, and people largely construct their beliefs on reality by

3015
02:47:43,520 --> 02:47:45,760
Speaker 2: like what the weight of the people that they know

3016
02:47:45,959 --> 02:47:49,640
Speaker 2: directly or follow are saying is true. And when you

3017
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:52,240
Speaker 2: see fifty people, some of them you kind of know,

3018
02:47:52,440 --> 02:47:55,439
Speaker 2: some of whom you've at least followed to an extent online,

3019
02:47:55,560 --> 02:47:59,680
Speaker 2: all say this is unsafe, then there's a tendency to

3020
02:47:59,680 --> 02:48:01,760
Speaker 2: get angry when people are like, well, I don't know,

3021
02:48:01,800 --> 02:48:03,560
Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't it actually, yeah.

3022
02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:07,000
Speaker 8: Like I mean, like I care about the safety of

3023
02:48:07,080 --> 02:48:09,560
Speaker 8: migrantes in this country. I think anyone who looked at

3024
02:48:09,560 --> 02:48:12,360
Speaker 8: a totality of my work would would believe that right,

3025
02:48:12,440 --> 02:48:15,879
Speaker 8: like it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want

3026
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:18,000
Speaker 8: them to go to hospital when they're fucking sick, and

3027
02:48:18,879 --> 02:48:22,240
Speaker 8: that means that people who are saying things that are

3028
02:48:22,280 --> 02:48:24,120
Speaker 8: not true. I understand why, right it lines up with

3029
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:25,720
Speaker 8: the other things that we know to be true. ICE

3030
02:48:25,840 --> 02:48:28,680
Speaker 8: is doing terrible shit. Shit is terrible, but it is

3031
02:48:28,879 --> 02:48:32,000
Speaker 8: still an area where we need to exercise extreme caution

3032
02:48:32,680 --> 02:48:36,480
Speaker 8: when reporting on things until we know that it is

3033
02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:38,240
Speaker 8: true that I saw coming in to hospital and taking

3034
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:39,920
Speaker 8: people out of the beds, which again, not a thing

3035
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:43,520
Speaker 8: that I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit

3036
02:48:43,959 --> 02:48:48,480
Speaker 8: to public lands. Some think that I think about a lot,

3037
02:48:48,600 --> 02:48:51,360
Speaker 8: but we don't always report on here, but that I

3038
02:48:51,440 --> 02:48:54,080
Speaker 8: think is very important. I want to talk about the

3039
02:48:54,440 --> 02:48:58,800
Speaker 8: Roadless Rule today. So September saw the end of the

3040
02:48:58,959 --> 02:49:01,240
Speaker 8: comment period. It was a very short comment period on

3041
02:49:01,280 --> 02:49:06,000
Speaker 8: the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the Roadless Rule. The

3042
02:49:06,120 --> 02:49:09,480
Speaker 8: Roadless Rule, if you're not familiar, protects over fifty eight

3043
02:49:09,520 --> 02:49:14,240
Speaker 8: point eight million acres of national forest land from roadbuilding, logging,

3044
02:49:14,280 --> 02:49:18,800
Speaker 8: and other industrial activity. According to the Center for Western Priorities,

3045
02:49:19,200 --> 02:49:22,440
Speaker 8: ninety nine percent of the comments submitted, of which there

3046
02:49:22,440 --> 02:49:24,880
Speaker 8: were more than one hundred and eighty thousand, were opposed

3047
02:49:25,000 --> 02:49:28,800
Speaker 8: to rescinding the rule. The roadless rule has previously had

3048
02:49:28,959 --> 02:49:32,840
Speaker 8: broad bipartisan support. It was not a particularly controversial thing.

3049
02:49:33,440 --> 02:49:36,920
Speaker 8: Agriculture sexuary Brook Roylins announced a proposal earlier in the summer,

3050
02:49:37,000 --> 02:49:42,320
Speaker 8: saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research

3051
02:49:42,360 --> 02:49:45,400
Speaker 8: suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests

3052
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:49,560
Speaker 8: provides more ignition opportunities rate By allowing people to go

3053
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:52,520
Speaker 8: into those forests, you allow those people to do things

3054
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:55,760
Speaker 8: which lead to fires happening, right, get cars overheat, they

3055
02:49:55,800 --> 02:49:59,000
Speaker 8: smoke cigarettes, they fucking shoot steel targets. In the middle

3056
02:49:59,000 --> 02:50:00,240
Speaker 8: of the summer, we.

3057
02:50:00,640 --> 02:50:03,560
Speaker 2: Just had a guy brought in for the Palisade fires,

3058
02:50:03,680 --> 02:50:05,320
Speaker 2: and he was like a twenty nine year old uber

3059
02:50:05,400 --> 02:50:09,000
Speaker 2: driver who was having clearly a bad mental health day,

3060
02:50:09,200 --> 02:50:12,280
Speaker 2: called in after he set a fire, but kind of

3061
02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:14,640
Speaker 2: made weird denials about it and like fled to Florida.

3062
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:17,520
Speaker 2: And it kind of just looks like he was listening

3063
02:50:17,560 --> 02:50:20,120
Speaker 2: to a song where there were people lighting fires and

3064
02:50:20,200 --> 02:50:22,560
Speaker 2: decided to light a fire and it got way out

3065
02:50:22,600 --> 02:50:26,240
Speaker 2: of control, way too quickly. Yeah, and it wasn't even

3066
02:50:26,280 --> 02:50:28,280
Speaker 2: the same night, Like it took like a week because

3067
02:50:28,320 --> 02:50:30,200
Speaker 2: like they put out the initial fire, but it kept

3068
02:50:30,280 --> 02:50:33,800
Speaker 2: burning through thick underbrush which eventually got recot. That's my

3069
02:50:33,879 --> 02:50:35,920
Speaker 2: understanding based on the articles that I've read. But like, yeah,

3070
02:50:35,959 --> 02:50:39,560
Speaker 2: it's I mean, in that case, it's just a guy

3071
02:50:39,640 --> 02:50:41,119
Speaker 2: who's not super well.

3072
02:50:42,120 --> 02:50:42,280
Speaker 16: Yeah.

3073
02:50:42,400 --> 02:50:42,640
Speaker 3: Sure.

3074
02:50:42,840 --> 02:50:45,200
Speaker 8: And like the other thing the cutting grows will do

3075
02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:46,920
Speaker 8: is it will change the fotiage. Right, You'll cut down

3076
02:50:46,959 --> 02:50:50,360
Speaker 8: the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs, and that

3077
02:50:50,520 --> 02:50:52,600
Speaker 8: those are easier to burn the big trees.

3078
02:50:52,760 --> 02:50:52,920
Speaker 4: Right.

3079
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:56,080
Speaker 8: The Wilderness Society has some date on this. I think

3080
02:50:56,120 --> 02:50:58,440
Speaker 8: they found that forestwich roads were four times more likely

3081
02:50:58,520 --> 02:51:02,240
Speaker 8: to have fires. I will link to that Wilderness Society data.

3082
02:51:02,800 --> 02:51:05,720
Speaker 8: The roads rule was passed under the Clinton admin and

3083
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:09,280
Speaker 8: it's being rescinded as part of a March executive order

3084
02:51:09,320 --> 02:51:13,920
Speaker 8: which which sought to increase US timber production. I want

3085
02:51:13,959 --> 02:51:16,360
Speaker 8: to note that there will not be guys with chainsaws

3086
02:51:16,440 --> 02:51:18,960
Speaker 8: rolling into your favorite national forest like next week or

3087
02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:21,040
Speaker 8: next month. Right, Like building these roads would have to

3088
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:23,960
Speaker 8: be financed by the United States Forest Service, which is

3089
02:51:24,120 --> 02:51:27,200
Speaker 8: of course currently well, if you go on the forest website,

3090
02:51:27,240 --> 02:51:29,640
Speaker 8: forest Service website will tell you that radical left Democrats

3091
02:51:29,680 --> 02:51:32,080
Speaker 8: have shut down the federal government right now in a

3092
02:51:32,120 --> 02:51:34,920
Speaker 8: pop up but we did it, guys. Yeah, so the

3093
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:38,280
Speaker 8: Forest Service finally coming out against the work left. But yeah,

3094
02:51:38,440 --> 02:51:40,400
Speaker 8: the Forest Service would have to finance these, and it's

3095
02:51:40,480 --> 02:51:45,600
Speaker 8: currently understaffed because of the voluntary and DOGE based layoffs.

3096
02:51:46,360 --> 02:51:49,200
Speaker 8: It's not particularly well funded. I don't see the Forest

3097
02:51:49,240 --> 02:51:51,040
Speaker 8: Service going in for a lot of road construction, but

3098
02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:53,200
Speaker 8: it might be wrong, right Trump Kelly seems to see

3099
02:51:54,040 --> 02:51:58,320
Speaker 8: not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite

3100
02:51:58,360 --> 02:52:00,960
Speaker 8: sure why. Like, I guess there's this. This was an

3101
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:02,720
Speaker 8: issue in Britain when they had to respond to the

3102
02:52:02,760 --> 02:52:05,960
Speaker 8: Spanish Armada cut down a lot of trees back then.

3103
02:52:06,400 --> 02:52:10,760
Speaker 8: Not familiar with very similar Yeah, national security issue. I

3104
02:52:10,800 --> 02:52:12,320
Speaker 8: think we can agree right to Spanish.

3105
02:52:12,480 --> 02:52:15,440
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally

3106
02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:19,080
Speaker 6: drive my ATV through these you know, environmentally protected area

3107
02:52:19,280 --> 02:52:22,600
Speaker 6: damn right garrison without getting harassed by the park ser Yeah,

3108
02:52:23,240 --> 02:52:23,840
Speaker 6: woke Left.

3109
02:52:24,160 --> 02:52:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the drunkest guy on an ATV

3110
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:29,040
Speaker 2: and Joshua tree. I'm going to drive straight for the

3111
02:52:29,120 --> 02:52:32,360
Speaker 2: biggest tree I can find. Anything over a thousand years

3112
02:52:32,400 --> 02:52:34,920
Speaker 2: old is fair game for my bumper. Baby, it's hit

3113
02:52:35,080 --> 02:52:39,120
Speaker 2: close to home. I'm sorry, James, Jesus is seething right now.

3114
02:52:40,240 --> 02:52:41,840
Speaker 2: Jessu is going to fucking cut me.

3115
02:52:43,360 --> 02:52:46,160
Speaker 8: If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree,

3116
02:52:46,200 --> 02:52:46,920
Speaker 8: I will I.

3117
02:52:46,879 --> 02:52:49,800
Speaker 2: Would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never harm

3118
02:52:49,879 --> 02:52:52,360
Speaker 2: a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I will

3119
02:52:52,400 --> 02:52:54,720
Speaker 2: harm in discriminately and in the tree of paradise. But

3120
02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:57,480
Speaker 2: that's good for the environment. But those trees kill them

3121
02:52:57,480 --> 02:52:58,440
Speaker 2: wherever you find them.

3122
02:52:58,959 --> 02:53:00,800
Speaker 8: I think the only Joshua te it's okay to hate

3123
02:53:00,840 --> 02:53:02,320
Speaker 8: it is the album by you too.

3124
02:53:02,760 --> 02:53:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also burn every copy of the album josh Yeah,

3125
02:53:06,920 --> 02:53:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm okay with destroy raise it from the run over

3126
02:53:09,440 --> 02:53:13,400
Speaker 2: those within ATV. Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct.

3127
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:13,960
Speaker 3: Why not?

3128
02:53:14,360 --> 02:53:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

3129
02:53:15,160 --> 02:53:17,440
Speaker 8: May you want to talk about tariffs. We're talking about timber,

3130
02:53:17,480 --> 02:53:19,760
Speaker 8: and of course there has been recently a tariff on

3131
02:53:20,040 --> 02:53:24,520
Speaker 8: Canadian lumber woke trees coming in from our neighbors to

3132
02:53:24,600 --> 02:53:27,560
Speaker 8: the north. So sorry, perhaps that's why we need to

3133
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:28,840
Speaker 8: destroy our national forests.

3134
02:53:28,840 --> 02:53:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Canada kinda is destroying theirs and they still

3135
02:53:31,160 --> 02:53:32,440
Speaker 2: have trees the export.

3136
02:53:32,920 --> 02:53:34,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I do. I guess one thing I haven't said

3137
02:53:34,760 --> 02:53:36,440
Speaker 8: about public land that you should always say when you're

3138
02:53:36,440 --> 02:53:39,040
Speaker 8: talking about public land is that it's all native land, actually,

3139
02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:41,240
Speaker 8: and the framing of public land is a place for

3140
02:53:41,320 --> 02:53:44,280
Speaker 8: white folks to recreate. It's not the correct framing. It's

3141
02:53:44,320 --> 02:53:45,400
Speaker 8: not how we win this fight.

3142
02:53:45,560 --> 02:53:47,800
Speaker 2: And no, and you should also if you care about

3143
02:53:48,120 --> 02:53:51,240
Speaker 2: not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general,

3144
02:53:51,440 --> 02:53:54,440
Speaker 2: and you ever hit the opportunity to go through like

3145
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:56,160
Speaker 2: up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through

3146
02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:58,360
Speaker 2: chunks of the forest that are managed by the state

3147
02:53:58,480 --> 02:54:00,680
Speaker 2: and that are managed by the Bureau of Management, and

3148
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:02,240
Speaker 2: then you can go through chunks of forests that are

3149
02:54:02,280 --> 02:54:06,120
Speaker 2: managed by the indigenous communities. And the way in which

3150
02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:09,480
Speaker 2: forests are managed is very different. Yeah, and different in

3151
02:54:09,560 --> 02:54:10,960
Speaker 2: a way that one is the right way to do

3152
02:54:11,040 --> 02:54:15,280
Speaker 2: it and the other two arts yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3153
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3154
02:54:16,080 --> 02:54:19,120
Speaker 8: This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous

3155
02:54:19,560 --> 02:54:22,640
Speaker 8: stewards by means of genocide, and we should give it back.

3156
02:54:23,360 --> 02:54:26,600
Speaker 2: And it's not just a matter of that's the the

3157
02:54:26,959 --> 02:54:28,920
Speaker 2: right thing to say, but also that is the right

3158
02:54:28,959 --> 02:54:30,680
Speaker 2: way to preserve those lands.

3159
02:54:31,160 --> 02:54:33,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, the people who've been in stewardship of those lands

3160
02:54:33,640 --> 02:54:36,000
Speaker 8: so much only than in America has been a country anyway.

3161
02:54:36,280 --> 02:54:38,840
Speaker 2: Watch the I think nineteen ninety one movie clear Cut,

3162
02:54:39,080 --> 02:54:41,920
Speaker 2: which is set in Canada. But a fucking banger, real

3163
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:42,480
Speaker 2: good movie.

3164
02:54:42,760 --> 02:54:43,200
Speaker 3: Check it out.

3165
02:54:43,440 --> 02:54:45,520
Speaker 8: I don't know if those two things are compatible, what

3166
02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:47,160
Speaker 8: Canada and a banga.

3167
02:54:47,879 --> 02:54:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. It's it's it's a it's about an

3168
02:54:52,160 --> 02:54:54,439
Speaker 2: indigenous activist and a white lawyer.

3169
02:54:54,959 --> 02:54:58,760
Speaker 3: Who you don't like cronin What's wrong with Histor?

3170
02:55:00,120 --> 02:55:04,320
Speaker 2: He's fighting the log movies. It's it's really good. It's

3171
02:55:04,360 --> 02:55:07,000
Speaker 2: about this, Like, Okay, I want liberal white lawyer who's

3172
02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:10,760
Speaker 2: fighting like a logging company and this indigenous activist who

3173
02:55:11,840 --> 02:55:14,560
Speaker 2: takes him and kidnaps the head of the logging company

3174
02:55:14,640 --> 02:55:16,520
Speaker 2: and takes them into the forest. And that's all I'll

3175
02:55:16,520 --> 02:55:18,680
Speaker 2: tell you about the movie. It is a fucking banger.

3176
02:55:18,840 --> 02:55:21,080
Speaker 6: I don't go on this podcast make fun of your

3177
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:25,240
Speaker 6: own country, Garrison, David, you will all, by the way,

3178
02:55:25,600 --> 02:55:30,600
Speaker 6: like Clearcut, watch that fucking movie Tariff talk.

3179
02:55:30,800 --> 02:55:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, movie Tariff flick at that for fucking segue. Yeah,

3180
02:55:39,080 --> 02:55:40,359
Speaker 2: locking jazz.

3181
02:55:40,959 --> 02:55:51,840
Speaker 3: Rocking jazz pot locking locking jazz, rocking jazz bo okay.

3182
02:55:52,120 --> 02:55:54,840
Speaker 3: In Lightning Round, we have huge We have two pivot

3183
02:55:54,879 --> 02:55:58,280
Speaker 3: points here. We're gonna go for the timber pivot instead

3184
02:55:58,280 --> 02:56:02,840
Speaker 3: of the movie pivot. So Lightning Round. Trump is imposing

3185
02:56:02,959 --> 02:56:06,360
Speaker 3: a ten percent tariff on softwood lumber, a twenty five

3186
02:56:06,480 --> 02:56:11,880
Speaker 3: percent tariff on upholstered furniture, and twenty five percent tariff

3187
02:56:12,000 --> 02:56:15,400
Speaker 3: on kitchen cabinets. In vanities, Ikea is the thing.

3188
02:56:15,560 --> 02:56:20,400
Speaker 8: Ikea is tyas Shay's long industry is collapsing in Canada

3189
02:56:20,520 --> 02:56:21,120
Speaker 8: as we speak.

3190
02:56:21,400 --> 02:56:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is this is going to be in

3191
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:27,520
Speaker 3: effect October fourteenth, get him now. And then also these

3192
02:56:27,560 --> 02:56:30,640
Speaker 3: tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year.

3193
02:56:31,640 --> 02:56:35,800
Speaker 3: The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to thirty percent, and

3194
02:56:35,879 --> 02:56:38,320
Speaker 3: the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to fifty

3195
02:56:38,360 --> 02:56:39,879
Speaker 3: percent at the beginning of next year.

3196
02:56:40,160 --> 02:56:42,560
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, the idea that there's a vanity tariff is

3197
02:56:42,640 --> 02:56:45,000
Speaker 8: very funny to me, like not as now, but just

3198
02:56:45,320 --> 02:56:47,600
Speaker 8: like as a concept.

3199
02:56:48,280 --> 02:56:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, people, these are nominally lumber industry tariffs. I think

3200
02:56:53,360 --> 02:56:57,440
Speaker 3: there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's

3201
02:56:58,240 --> 02:57:00,600
Speaker 3: head rattling around as to why there's some only tariffs

3202
02:57:00,640 --> 02:57:05,880
Speaker 3: on vanities and upultered furniture. Who knows, baffling. The Canadian

3203
02:57:05,879 --> 02:57:08,240
Speaker 3: government has been attempting to lift the tariffs. It has

3204
02:57:08,440 --> 02:57:14,039
Speaker 3: not worked. Negotiations once again failed today, which is octper eighth. Okay,

3205
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:18,080
Speaker 3: bouncing from that to something that's also very important, blashet

3206
02:57:18,120 --> 02:57:20,800
Speaker 3: Wete and I feeling more important. So one of the

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Speaker 3: issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to

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Speaker 3: the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, infants, and children,

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Speaker 3: which is normally called WIC. The rec funding is extraordinarily

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Speaker 3: important because it feeds several million people. And Okay, this

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Speaker 3: story is very, very weird because we haven't gotten any

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Speaker 3: direct thing about how this would work outside of the

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Speaker 3: Press secretary saying it. But the Press secretary is saying

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Speaker 3: that Trump is going to fund this program with the

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Speaker 3: money from one of the tariff pro Yeah. Now, it

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Speaker 3: is worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional. Exceptionally unconstitutional.

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Speaker 3: Is a violation of the part of the Separation of

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Speaker 3: powers where they say that Congress is the thing that

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Speaker 3: that Levy's tax doesn't decide where the money goes. But

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Speaker 3: it's also it's not clear if this is even happening

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Speaker 3: or how it could even remotely happen, but it is

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Speaker 3: being reported. WIC has been a program that Trump has

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Speaker 3: been using to push his narrative about the government shut down.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think forty percent of children are on WICK

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Speaker 8: right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's

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Speaker 8: one of those things where like again, there was complete

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Speaker 8: biparties and support apart aside from complete lunatics until very

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02:58:43,040 --> 02:58:46,600
Speaker 8: like you would never have heard like a fuck Wig statement.

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Speaker 8: It's done a lot of good for a lot of

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Speaker 8: people who need a lot of help. I did see

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Speaker 8: a statement from the Wick Council that basically asserted that, like, look,

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Speaker 8: we'd be excited if you would keep us keep Wick funded,

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Speaker 8: but using tariff money if not a sustainable or like

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02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:07,680
Speaker 8: reliable approach to do this, just just fund it by

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Speaker 8: playing for government program to the youth a way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the other major tariff news that we have

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Speaker 3: is basically, for the last couple of weeks, Trump has

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Speaker 3: been threatening to impose one tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was

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Speaker 3: originally supposed to go into effect in October first, and

3240
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Speaker 3: then Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug

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Speaker 3: manufacturers to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also,

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Speaker 3: and this is the major significant element, as we've seen

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Speaker 3: with the whole bunch of companies that have made deals

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Speaker 3: with Trump pledges of large scale investments in US manufacturing

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02:59:43,920 --> 02:59:47,320
Speaker 3: and production. These tariffs have sort of been staved off,

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Speaker 3: and the administration is now saying that they won't do

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Speaker 3: it because they don't need to, because they have resear

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Speaker 3: greevments for drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company

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02:59:56,680 --> 02:59:58,640
Speaker 3: to sign a deal. This has been part of an

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02:59:58,680 --> 03:00:04,240
Speaker 3: initiative called trump RX, which is supposedly coming in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the plan is to have direct to consumer

3254
03:00:10,600 --> 03:00:16,039
Speaker 3: drug sales by forcing these companies to give the US

3255
03:00:16,240 --> 03:00:20,760
Speaker 3: Most Favored Nation status, which like basically the thrust of

3256
03:00:20,840 --> 03:00:23,959
Speaker 3: this is giving specifically this trump RX thing, the prices

3257
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:27,760
Speaker 3: that these drug companies charge to undeveloped countries. However, and

3258
03:00:27,840 --> 03:00:30,240
Speaker 3: this is extremely important to not being reported very much.

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Speaker 3: Trump Our Rex, assuming this comes program comes into being,

3260
03:00:34,080 --> 03:00:36,560
Speaker 3: you can't use insurance on it is only you can

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03:00:36,600 --> 03:00:38,880
Speaker 3: only buy drugs off there. You would only be able

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03:00:38,920 --> 03:00:41,520
Speaker 3: to buy drugs off there without insurance, So it probably

3263
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:44,080
Speaker 3: doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have

3264
03:00:44,560 --> 03:00:46,240
Speaker 3: really any kind of insurance.

3265
03:00:45,959 --> 03:00:49,200
Speaker 8: Certainly lowess it cost your insurance company has to pay, right,

3266
03:00:49,320 --> 03:00:51,279
Speaker 8: like if you're insured badly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you know, And so the actual good that

3268
03:00:54,840 --> 03:00:58,160
Speaker 3: this could even potentially do, I think is very very limited. Yeah,

3269
03:00:58,440 --> 03:01:01,000
Speaker 3: but that's sort of what's going on. This is the

3270
03:01:01,040 --> 03:01:02,760
Speaker 3: part of the initiative. If you see people talking about

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03:01:02,760 --> 03:01:05,400
Speaker 3: how he's lowering drug prices, it's specifically for this weird

3272
03:01:05,400 --> 03:01:08,359
Speaker 3: trump are X thing, which again you can't use insurance

3273
03:01:08,400 --> 03:01:11,000
Speaker 3: to use. So there's been a few other tariffs that

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03:01:11,080 --> 03:01:13,280
Speaker 3: he's talked about, and I kind of want to set

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03:01:13,280 --> 03:01:18,280
Speaker 3: a spectrum of how real a tariff is because there's

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Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of different kinds of terifts that

3277
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Speaker 3: Trump announces and then nothing happens on yeh. So, for example,

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03:01:23,720 --> 03:01:27,240
Speaker 3: you can have a kind of tariff where he announces

3279
03:01:27,320 --> 03:01:30,000
Speaker 3: on social media but there's no date, right, So one

3280
03:01:30,040 --> 03:01:32,120
Speaker 3: hundred percent tariff on foreign made movies. This is the

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Speaker 3: second time he talked about it. There's never been a

3282
03:01:34,240 --> 03:01:36,000
Speaker 3: date attached to it. It seems to be something that

3283
03:01:36,040 --> 03:01:39,800
Speaker 3: he tweets about and then forgets about. It never happens.

3284
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Speaker 3: On the more real end, there are tariffs like the

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Speaker 3: one that is currently being proposed as twenty five percent

3286
03:01:46,640 --> 03:01:49,760
Speaker 3: tariff on heavy trucks that's supposed to go into effect

3287
03:01:49,760 --> 03:01:52,200
Speaker 3: in November first, but there is no executive order, so

3288
03:01:53,080 --> 03:01:56,119
Speaker 3: that one we can't treat as real as for example,

3289
03:01:56,360 --> 03:02:00,120
Speaker 3: the lumber tariffs, which have an executive order, although so

3290
03:02:00,200 --> 03:02:02,560
Speaker 3: again you have to wait for these to actually go

3291
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:05,840
Speaker 3: into effect, which which would be category sort of three

3292
03:02:05,920 --> 03:02:08,879
Speaker 3: and four are isert executive order and has the date

3293
03:02:08,920 --> 03:02:13,040
Speaker 3: of the executive order doing the thing passed. So we

3294
03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:15,720
Speaker 3: have a couple of floating tariffs. From there, we have

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03:02:15,959 --> 03:02:18,560
Speaker 3: those twenty five percent tariffs on heavy trucks which are

3296
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Speaker 3: supposed to go into Efectivember first, assuming it's an executive order.

3297
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Speaker 3: We have this film tariff, which is the was the

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03:02:24,320 --> 03:02:28,320
Speaker 3: scariest tariff by far one tariffs on foreign made films.

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Speaker 2: What are they tariffing that have to hoist the black flag? Again,

3300
03:02:31,440 --> 03:02:34,600
Speaker 2: my friends don't know has any idea what that means?

3301
03:02:34,680 --> 03:02:36,640
Speaker 3: We have no, absolutely not. We have no clue how

3302
03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:37,760
Speaker 3: this is no detasfled.

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03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:42,760
Speaker 8: Okay, he just said what film. Okay, sick good. I'm

3304
03:02:42,760 --> 03:02:44,400
Speaker 8: glad that everyone's equally clear on that.

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Speaker 2: Get back to torrenting Babel.

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Speaker 3: I think I think the final thing we should talk

3307
03:02:48,280 --> 03:02:50,120
Speaker 3: about is so on November fifth, the Sutreame Court is

3308
03:02:50,160 --> 03:02:52,400
Speaker 3: going to start hearing the case against a bunch of

3309
03:02:52,440 --> 03:02:55,039
Speaker 3: the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about

3310
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Speaker 3: this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even

3311
03:02:57,560 --> 03:03:00,520
Speaker 3: if these terriffs are found on constitutional, they are going

3312
03:03:00,600 --> 03:03:03,879
Speaker 3: to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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03:03:05,520 --> 03:03:08,720
Speaker 3: Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't

3315
03:03:08,800 --> 03:03:10,960
Speaker 3: mean that all the terriffs are suddenly just not going

3316
03:03:11,000 --> 03:03:13,040
Speaker 3: to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a

3317
03:03:13,040 --> 03:03:15,560
Speaker 3: whole bunch of them under different terrorf authority, and we'll

3318
03:03:15,600 --> 03:03:18,080
Speaker 3: go through this whole process again. But yeah, this is

3319
03:03:18,160 --> 03:03:19,880
Speaker 3: this has been this has been terriff talk.

3320
03:03:20,600 --> 03:03:20,840
Speaker 2: Great.

3321
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