Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arms Strong
Speaker 1: and Jettietie and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 2: The FBI and Department of Homeland Security has issued a
Speaker 2: warning saying October seventh, quote maybe a motivating factor for
Speaker 2: violent extrements and hate crime perpetrators who are trying to
Speaker 2: threaten public safety. The agency advising potential targets include synagogue, moss,
Speaker 2: Islamic and community centers, and large gatherings. Authorities are concerned
Speaker 2: over the possibility of lone wolf attacks, but authorities at
Speaker 2: this time say there's no credible threat but remain on
Speaker 2: high alerts.
Speaker 3: And it's a one year anniversary of the massacre in
Speaker 3: Israel by Hamas, and they always do this around anniversaries.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I remember a single example of
Speaker 3: an anniversary leading to something, but it's not roy terrorists
Speaker 3: generally work actually, But anyway, that's a separate story. Let's
Speaker 3: hear one more report.
Speaker 1: On this before we start commenting.
Speaker 4: This is already now a much wider war. What started
Speaker 4: in and around Gaza on October the seventh, that singular
Speaker 4: terrifying attack inside Israel is now morphed into a conflict
Speaker 4: that has drawn in Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Yeminence.
Speaker 4: We've now had fourteen straight days of.
Speaker 1: Day and night bombing.
Speaker 4: I think a lot now depends on how Israel response
Speaker 4: to that Uranian missile stripe does. Nettanna, who now decide
Speaker 4: to settle all scores for all the enemies he has
Speaker 4: around him. Iran is enemy number one certainly for Netanya?
Speaker 4: Who or can the US persuade Natannaho to try and
Speaker 4: calibrate his response to reduce the risk of even further escalation.
Speaker 3: By the way, Trump over the weekend, in an interview,
Speaker 3: said Israel absolutely should take out those nuclear facilities, Joe
Speaker 3: Biden having said specifically no, Israel should not.
Speaker 1: Do you escalate?
Speaker 3: Right, have that on the list. Which that's a pretty
Speaker 3: big difference right there. I mean, if you're looking for
Speaker 3: policy differences between the two White Houses, that's a pretty
Speaker 3: big one. Trump's encouraging them to take out the nuclear facilities,
Speaker 3: which I think they should also, Right.
Speaker 5: If you're looking for a reason to hold your nose
Speaker 5: and go ahead and cast a vote despite your ill
Speaker 5: ease with one candidate or the other. I would say,
Speaker 5: the one who's standing up against the axis of Islamist
Speaker 5: nut jobbery and viciousness is you know, perhaps a better choice.
Speaker 1: But that's up to you. Of course.
Speaker 5: I've been reading a great deal about let's about October
Speaker 5: seventh itself, because I fully absorbed that horror on that
Speaker 5: day and have been reminded of it plenty of times.
Speaker 1: Although it's just unspeakable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just I was just looking at they
Speaker 3: have a like a moment of silence going on right
Speaker 3: now at the grounds of the Nova Music Festival. I
Speaker 3: have stood on some like battlefields. I've been to ground zero,
Speaker 3: you know, places where people died and everything like that. Man,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could handle that music festival
Speaker 3: ground one year later with some of the stories that
Speaker 3: have come out of there, all those people chopped up
Speaker 3: and raped to death and everything like that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is unbelievable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, never mind the kibbutzas, the homes where families were
Speaker 5: burned alive, children executed, mothers raped in front of their children,
Speaker 5: then murdered.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's.
Speaker 5: Unspeakable horror by subhuman animals. In my opinion, Israel says
Speaker 5: nearly twelve hundred people died that day. That's how they
Speaker 5: said it on NPR, Israel says as opposed to just
Speaker 5: reporting the number. And then they went Hamas says forty
Speaker 5: thousand people have died, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: So they're putting them you know, yeah, they're both saying this.
Speaker 3: Who knows what's true and what's not? Really wow, As.
Speaker 5: Usual, my focus is more on what to do about it,
Speaker 5: as opposed to, you know, the mourning part of it.
Speaker 1: And that's fine. I'm not saying it's in appropate.
Speaker 5: But I'm especially curious about the way things are going
Speaker 5: to go in the Middle East and with Israel specifically.
Speaker 5: And I was intrigued by some writing by Shandy Race
Speaker 5: in the Wall Street Journal one year after October seventh,
Speaker 5: Israel sees a future at war, And I was.
Speaker 1: Just scanning the article. It takes a long time to
Speaker 1: get to it.
Speaker 5: I thought the key sentence from it, and I'm going
Speaker 5: to counter, I'm sorry, I'm going to paraphrase is that
Speaker 5: Israel's new peace plan is to defeat its enemies. And
Speaker 5: when you look at it like that and phrase it
Speaker 5: like that, I think it gives you the clarity you need.
Speaker 1: One year, I'm going to quote from the article.
Speaker 5: Now, one year after the brutal Hamas attack that ended
Speaker 5: Israel's two decade golden age of relative peace, expanding wealth,
Speaker 5: and growing diplomatic ties, the country is now firmly on
Speaker 5: the counter attack.
Speaker 1: And preparing to be at war. For years.
Speaker 5: Lost a series of stunning attacks, they go into the list.
Speaker 5: The campaign marks an aggressive shift in Israel's security posture.
Speaker 5: For years, the military aim to provide long stretches of
Speaker 5: piece that were only momentarily punctured by short conflicts with
Speaker 5: Palestinian militants. There were occasional military maneuvers aimed at downgrading
Speaker 5: the axis, but they were never severe enough to draw retaliation.
Speaker 5: Then they mentioned that Israel saw its GDP sore. It's
Speaker 5: bustling capital, Tel Aviv, became a beautiful, affluent Mediterranean city.
Speaker 1: But after October seventh.
Speaker 5: Israel can no longer allow its enemies the time and
Speaker 5: space to build up arsenals that can pose an existential threat.
Speaker 5: Many have come to believe quote preemptive wars will be
Speaker 5: in the future of the Israeli part of the Israeli
Speaker 5: Toolkit Kit said in National Security advisor. That's clearly true,
Speaker 5: absolutely true, and it's not a choice, it's an existential reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know what point it would be okay to
Speaker 3: say preemptive because it, like I said last week, it
Speaker 3: really bothered me that they use that term in the debate.
Speaker 3: Would you support or oppose Israel launching a preemptive strike
Speaker 3: on Iran? Preemptive after they just had two hundred ballistic
Speaker 3: missiles fired up them?
Speaker 1: That would be a preemptive strike to hit them back?
Speaker 5: What, Yeah, and something like five hundred if you go
Speaker 5: back to April and totally Yeah, good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Dn Panels report on CBS because it
Speaker 3: did put the focus on what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're a year out and it's as hot as ever.
Speaker 3: There's a chance Israel and Iran are at full blown
Speaker 3: war today. You could make the argument that they already are,
Speaker 3: with the United States involved. So, yeah, this thing is
Speaker 3: far from decided from what happened a year ago.
Speaker 5: How about this sentence, different piece. Hamasa's massacre last October
Speaker 5: seventh was a catastrophe for Israelis, but a year later,
Speaker 5: it has also taught the West forgotten lessons about deterrence
Speaker 5: political will and the illusions of a liberal, peaceful world.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's pretty good, I am. Those kind of statements
Speaker 3: make me sad because I don't feel like we're I know,
Speaker 3: we don't fully understand that as a country.
Speaker 5: It's not that surprising that the most comfortable and affluent
Speaker 5: countries would be the last to wake up to the
Speaker 5: ugly reality that's never ever changed in all of human history,
Speaker 5: but once every couple of decades, particularly post fall of
Speaker 5: the Soviet Union. And this has made me insane watching
Speaker 5: the politics of this play out.
Speaker 1: Once in a while, we fall.
Speaker 5: Into this belief that, oh, human nature's changed, we're all interconnected,
Speaker 5: they're no more extremists and ugly people. Everything's great. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we can disarm and we'll be fine. Israel fell into
Speaker 5: that stupor yep, of all places.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's a decent point if they can. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not surprising that we do, because we don't have
Speaker 3: enemies right on our border firing rockets at us every
Speaker 3: day like Israel does. And they still were lulled into complacency.
Speaker 3: How about this? This is new Today. French President Emmanuel
Speaker 3: Macrone called for a halt on arms deliveries to Israel
Speaker 3: for use in Gaza. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who said
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, Western leaders don't understand the threat French president,
Speaker 3: But how about that France is calling for a halt
Speaker 3: for the use of their weapons against Hamas.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 5: I don't know a lot about the current state of
Speaker 5: French politics, just that Macrone's party is starting to flounder.
Speaker 5: And if you think jee Biden and Kamala Harris have
Speaker 5: a problem with Muslim voters in Michigan, France's entire you know,
Speaker 5: the suburbs of Paris are huge enclaves of Muslim voters.
Speaker 5: And I just wonder whether that's a domestic political reality
Speaker 5: that you will never read about in your mainstream publications.
Speaker 1: They're not going to bring that up.
Speaker 5: By the way, the reason Macrone asking Israel to lay
Speaker 5: off isn't because it's not a moral judgment. It's an
Speaker 5: electoral judgment. You have to dig to find that sort
Speaker 5: of you know, perspective.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: It's also been surprising to me for the past year that,
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, American hostages being held by Hamas hasn't
Speaker 3: turned into a story. There are still nearly a hundred hostages,
Speaker 3: a lot of them may be dead. The ones that aren't,
Speaker 3: who knows what the hell is they've been living in
Speaker 3: for the last year.
Speaker 1: A lot of women, but.
Speaker 3: There are four Americans there that just basically never get
Speaker 3: mentioned by either party really or any news outlet.
Speaker 1: So getting back to the.
Speaker 3: Hostagle, we'll say that again, what is that, Prime Minister
Speaker 3: of England.
Speaker 1: The return of thescal We need the.
Speaker 5: Return of the sausages. It's still bizarre and hilarious. So
Speaker 5: they're in context, it's a little less fun yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Getting back to what makes.
Speaker 3: It so how funny though, it's a horrific context and
Speaker 3: a very important line in front of the un And
Speaker 3: this is the one thing that needs to happen, of
Speaker 3: all things, God willing the.
Speaker 1: Return of the sausages.
Speaker 3: I mean hostages, yes, hostigle.
Speaker 5: I am certain that we have crafted the word horrfarious,
Speaker 5: something that is simultaneously horrifying and hilarious. That was horrfarious.
Speaker 5: So getting back to the Wall Street Journal's editorial board.
Speaker 5: In a separate piece, they talk about how the world
Speaker 5: must never forget the videos of Hamas's atrocity, how they
Speaker 5: slaughtered the defenseless deliberately and in close range. I won't
Speaker 5: go on and on took the hostages. Hamas is proud
Speaker 5: of this handy work and repeated it would repeat it
Speaker 5: if it could. As Hamas Paulaburo member Gazi Ahmad put
Speaker 5: it on Lebon's TV.
Speaker 1: The terror group would like to repeat October seventh.
Speaker 5: Again and again. Now this is the part that I
Speaker 5: want to at least touch on. Another ugly surprise has
Speaker 5: been the support for Hamas's argument in the West, especially
Speaker 5: on elite college campuses. The intellectual case for murderous terror,
Speaker 5: made by Franz Fannon and taught without hesitation for two generations,
Speaker 5: has poisoned the young against their own civilization. Students for
Speaker 5: Justice in Palestine on October seventh, these are Americans called
Speaker 5: it a historic win for Palestinian resistance, and anti Semitism
Speaker 5: was tolerated by university presidents as free speech. I don't
Speaker 5: expect you to spend a lot of time and energy
Speaker 5: getting up to speed on this. I hope you can
Speaker 5: just trust me on this, and if you want, read
Speaker 5: James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose's Cynical Theories. It's an absolutely
Speaker 5: terrific book and helps you understand what's going on with
Speaker 5: the neo Marxism, but I went ahead and dug back
Speaker 5: into France.
Speaker 1: Fannon who he was. He is an.
Speaker 5: Incredibly influential thinker on the campuses of America's quote unquote eliteies.
Speaker 5: He was a French Afro Caribbean psychiatrist, political philosopher and
Speaker 5: Marxist from Martinique, French colony at the time. His works
Speaker 5: have become influential in the fields of post colonial studies,
Speaker 5: critical theory, and Marxism. He was a political radical, a
Speaker 5: Marxist humanist, and was concerned with the psychopathology of colonization.
Speaker 5: Among his many theories is that anything, anything, anything is
Speaker 5: justified in the name of decolonization. Any brutality is justified
Speaker 5: to decolonialize. The kids are just spouting what their professors
Speaker 5: have taught them. And by the way, Fannin also said
Speaker 5: to achieve full decolonization, the post colonial society should reject
Speaker 5: European capitalism as a path to economic and social development.
Speaker 5: He is a full on violent Marxist and he you've
Speaker 5: never heard heard his name before.
Speaker 1: That's funny, because your.
Speaker 5: Little kids are paying an arm of a leg in
Speaker 5: a neck for their tuition, are being taught about Fannin
Speaker 5: all day long.
Speaker 3: I just downloaded the Cynical Theories audio book. I need
Speaker 3: to listen to that because I haven't gotten around to
Speaker 3: it yet. And mentioned that noble musical festival where they
Speaker 3: Hamas went in and murdered all those lots of lots
Speaker 3: of young girls. All it was a peace festival, all
Speaker 3: filled with people who believe in, let's be friends with
Speaker 3: the moss. Right here on the border, we can all
Speaker 3: get along. They came in and raped you to death.
Speaker 3: College kids, if you had been there at the peace
Speaker 3: festival saying up with the Moss, they would have come.
Speaker 1: Into a machine, gunned you yeah, and raped you yeah.
Speaker 1: What the hell? How do you not get that? Anyway?
Speaker 3: I got lots of other stuff on the way. I
Speaker 3: have a Beethoven question for Joe. It's very important. Much
Speaker 3: On the way, stay here, a woman in Italy has
Speaker 3: set a new world record for having the world's thickest tongue.
Speaker 1: Reach for comment. The woman said, thanks, how about that?
Speaker 1: Too easy? Easy? But it still made me laugh out loud.
Speaker 1: I think it because he took the easy joke was
Speaker 1: just funny.
Speaker 3: Sight coming up, we'll hear a little of Trump from
Speaker 3: his big rally in Pennsylvania over the weekend at the
Speaker 3: spot where he got shot at and Elon was there,
Speaker 3: so that was a big deal.
Speaker 5: And how politics are tearing apart. A California retirement community.
Speaker 3: I listened to a tremendous amount of beeth often over
Speaker 3: the weekend.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Generally I don't listen to any so any amount would
Speaker 3: be a lot more, but a lot like constantly over
Speaker 3: the weekend. It was really digging it. I got back
Speaker 3: into this book I started reading years ago about Beethoven's
Speaker 3: Ninth Symphony. There's a whole book about it. And the
Speaker 3: anniversary is this year is the two one hundred year anniversary.
Speaker 3: It was eighteen twenty four, two hundred year aniversary of
Speaker 3: Beethoven's first playing of the ninth century, and there's a
Speaker 3: whole book about it.
Speaker 1: Night Symphony is a whole book about it.
Speaker 3: But anyway, if you were recommending because you like classical
Speaker 3: music and listen to it, if you were gonna like
Speaker 3: if you were if somebody is saying, I really like
Speaker 3: Bruce Springsteen, what should I listen to? You would have
Speaker 3: a couple of songs to point him to that are
Speaker 3: like the best examples of why people like Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 3: What would what would be your recommendations for Beethoven? Oh goodness,
Speaker 3: if you're going to throw on well, that's not right,
Speaker 3: because you might throw on stuff that's not the best introduction,
Speaker 3: because you're tired of Stairway.
Speaker 1: To Heaven or Born to Run or whatever.
Speaker 5: I would like to think I'm unpretentious enough though, to say, oh,
Speaker 5: you're just getting into this band, here's where it is.
Speaker 1: In fact, I do do that.
Speaker 3: So I just so, where do you start with Beethoven?
Speaker 3: I can tell you what my favorite is, having gone
Speaker 3: through it quite a bit over the weekend.
Speaker 5: Well, obviously, you know, people know the fifth Symphony Boum,
Speaker 5: and then they know enough of the first movement that
Speaker 5: that can get them into it. I would recommend if
Speaker 5: you want to do this, listen to the same symphony
Speaker 5: three times in a row. Because there are so many
Speaker 5: ideas and the complexity is so much different than a
Speaker 5: pop song, it takes you a while to get it.
Speaker 5: Once you get it, and you hear one idea flow
Speaker 5: into another and then become a third idea that combines
Speaker 5: the two, and then you hear a variation of the
Speaker 5: first idea, and you just it's such a groove. It's
Speaker 5: so cool, but it's it's it's like the difference between
Speaker 5: learning your ABC's and and learning, you know, nuclear science.
Speaker 3: Certainly a lot easier to listen to call me maybe
Speaker 3: than it is the beef Oven as.
Speaker 5: Somebody who's jamming the uh we're getting tipsy at the bar,
Speaker 5: song on the golf course the other day.
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the sixth Symphony, the Pastoral Symphony,
Speaker 3: which is all about walking through a field. And as
Speaker 3: a guy who's walked through many fields as a rube,
Speaker 3: love that.
Speaker 5: And then a giant thunderstorm breaks out and there's violence
Speaker 5: and storm and drong. But then the sunshine emerges again,
Speaker 5: the beasts come out, and the birds twitter.
Speaker 1: I love the sex.
Speaker 3: I have so much more to say about Beethoven, the
Speaker 3: person that I wanted to get to, but maybe another time.
Speaker 3: He was an He was an angry man, just kind
Speaker 3: of funny because.
Speaker 1: He hated poppies.
Speaker 3: And massive crowd in Pennsylvania at the site where Trump
Speaker 3: got shot in the first assassination at tenth and the
Speaker 3: crowd goes wild from Lee Greenwood. They're singing God, Bussy,
Speaker 3: you say, I'm listening to the crowd.
Speaker 1: That is something I'm struck.
Speaker 2: By.
Speaker 5: The oversimplification but powerful description. One of the candidates and
Speaker 5: his voters clearly love the United States of America, and
Speaker 5: one side seems ashamed of the country. It's an overstatement, oversimplification,
Speaker 5: like I said, but I think it's mostly true.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of energy outside of Barack Obama. In
Speaker 3: my life, I don't remember anybody getting crowds to sound
Speaker 3: like that. So Trump gets up there and they put
Speaker 3: up the chart that he turned to look at last
Speaker 3: time he was there, and if he hadn't turned to
Speaker 3: look at the chart, he'd probably be dead, as we
Speaker 3: all know. He turns, the bullet whizzes by, catches his ear,
Speaker 3: and they put up the chart, and here's Trump.
Speaker 6: Thank you, a very big thank you to Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: We love Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: And as I was saying, oh, I love that, I
Speaker 6: love that chart.
Speaker 1: I love that graph. Isn't it a beautiful thing?
Speaker 6: But also beautiful because look at the number that's the
Speaker 6: day I left office, it was the lowest border patrol,
Speaker 6: the lowest it's ever been.
Speaker 3: Actually gets into some of the policy stuff, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, the stuff people care about the economy, and immigration.
Speaker 3: Love when he sticks with that, hate when he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk was there and it got mentioned a little
Speaker 3: in the news. If Beyonce or Bruce Springsteen were on
Speaker 3: stage with Kamala Harris, it would get lots of attention,
Speaker 3: as if that freaking matters. But the world's most successful man,
Speaker 3: who you could actually make an arm argument you know
Speaker 3: what he thinks matters, was there and whatever, He's just
Speaker 3: a Trump or so who cares, It's just not really
Speaker 3: worth mentioning in the evening news. Bruce Springsteen huge coverage
Speaker 3: Elon support video on every news channel of please, oh yeah, why?
Speaker 3: Why am I making a difficult comparison? What if Elon
Speaker 3: Musk was doing the same thing for Kamala Harris and
Speaker 3: on stage and talking about her and throwing his support
Speaker 3: behind her, obviously they'd be talked up as a huge deal. Anyway,
Speaker 3: here's a little Elon.
Speaker 7: But the true test of someone's character is how they
Speaker 7: behave under fire. And we had one president who couldn't
Speaker 7: climb a flat of stairs and another who was fist
Speaker 7: pumping after getting shot.
Speaker 3: Fight fight, fight, So Elon on his Twitter feed, what
Speaker 3: followers does he have?
Speaker 1: Let me look that up real quick on Twitter.
Speaker 3: He his avatar used to be him in a weird
Speaker 3: spaceman outfit for some, but now his avatar is him
Speaker 3: in a Maga hat make America Great Again hat. He
Speaker 3: has two hundred million followers. That's that's a solid following
Speaker 3: that could that could actually move some votes among especially
Speaker 3: among like young men who look to really successful other men,
Speaker 3: as you know, for some guidance in the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, given how close things are, I
Speaker 5: think it's significant. Yeah, that's not like when the senator
Speaker 5: from Ohio is he's in der he's announced his endorsement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've been mocking endorsements in my entire talk
Speaker 3: radio career. I generally think they don't matter at all.
Speaker 3: But I could see him Elon Musk walking out there
Speaker 3: being a nudge direction or another. It is amazing that
Speaker 3: the world's richest man has thrown his support is solidly
Speaker 3: behind one candidate. I'm not even sure I think it's
Speaker 3: a good idea for him, but he thinks he is.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll let him say why would I say it?
Speaker 1: The next clip there, Michael fifty.
Speaker 7: Six, thanks, the most important election of our lifetime.
Speaker 1: This is no ordinary election.
Speaker 7: The other side wants to take away your freedom of speech.
Speaker 7: You must have free speech in order to have democracy.
Speaker 7: That's why it's the first Amendment, and the second Amendment
Speaker 7: is there to ensure that we have the first Amendment.
Speaker 3: This last thirty days, I guess twenty eight days as
Speaker 3: of tomorrow. This last four week stretch is going to
Speaker 3: be wild. The intensity was ratcheted up so much yesterday.
Speaker 3: I noticed on the Sunday talk shows, which nobody watches
Speaker 3: and you shouldn't to waste your life, but the intensity
Speaker 3: and exaggerations, slash lies from everybody was ratcheted up quite
Speaker 3: a bit from previous weeks and it was already at ten.
Speaker 3: So this last four week stretch is going to be nutty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved was it Margaret Brennan or one.
Speaker 5: Of the lefty she Wolves of Sunday TV Meet the Press,
Speaker 5: Kristen Welker, saying that the idea that FEMA spent money
Speaker 5: on illegal immigrants is false. That's an urban legend, that's
Speaker 5: false when it's clearly documentably true that they have tens
Speaker 5: of million, hundreds of millions at all. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 5: not a she wolf, lovely and nice person. We've had
Speaker 5: on the air many many times. Shannon Breem of Fox,
Speaker 5: who's a very smart woman. She interviewed Tim Walls. Credit
Speaker 5: to Tim Walls for going on Fox and answering the
Speaker 5: hard questions.
Speaker 3: But man, she was ready to go. Well, I have
Speaker 3: to play some of that later in its own segment
Speaker 3: because there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot of good stuff there.
Speaker 3: And she nailed down that whole some of the abortion
Speaker 3: claims about various women that have died. She clarified that
Speaker 3: in a way that they certainly didn't do on the
Speaker 3: debate the other nights. We'll play some of that later
Speaker 3: for you left.
Speaker 5: The old coach is sputtering, Well, here's a revolutionary idea.
Speaker 5: You give me ninety seconds to lay out the case
Speaker 5: that Harris Waltz are hostile to free speech.
Speaker 1: Will break on time and come back with that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we could any I.
Speaker 3: Wonder hear about the old folks home. You're telling me
Speaker 3: about that sound very jersey.
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I don't know. I've got like
Speaker 1: ninety seconds.
Speaker 5: I can tell a long, rambling thing about old folks
Speaker 5: are at each other's throats over politics in the Bay
Speaker 5: Area of California. Gee, I guess which side is trying
Speaker 5: to express the other one. Uh, we can't get to
Speaker 5: that eventually, right, Well, we've lost forty five seconds now
Speaker 5: arguing about which thing I'm going to do, So now
Speaker 5: I have time to do neither.
Speaker 1: And that's disappointing to both to me and the audience.
Speaker 3: And the milliar the lawyer milks the goat or the
Speaker 3: and and so she sold her hair brush. She sold
Speaker 3: her hair to buy a hairbrush for something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, something something, and then the goat, yeah, yeah, I will.
Speaker 5: I will tell you this Harrison Walls together, if you
Speaker 5: weave together the many statements that they have made of
Speaker 5: the sort I mean, for instance, the First Amendment doesn't
Speaker 5: protect hate speech or misinformation. That is specifically what it
Speaker 5: freaking protects.
Speaker 1: That is at the core of it.
Speaker 5: Unpopular speech, controversial speech, speech which you would like to ban,
Speaker 5: and the whole fire and a crowded theater thing, which
Speaker 5: is from the terrible Shank versus the US case. And
Speaker 5: never repeat that, by the way, it's it's falsehood. But
Speaker 5: when you read down the whole case that can be
Speaker 5: made against Harris Walls and their record on free speech,
Speaker 5: it is a serious threat to free speech. This is
Speaker 5: not some sort of fanciful. You know, paranoia, exercise in paranoia. Now, granted,
Speaker 5: especially as it's currently constituted the free the Supreme Court
Speaker 5: would eventually just absolutely sack it out of the park
Speaker 5: if the case went before them. But they are trying
Speaker 5: to aggressively tout the idea that they can regulate speech
Speaker 5: and approve and disapprove your political speech over and over again.
Speaker 3: Well that's what disgusting Gavin was trying to do in
Speaker 3: California right by outlawing ai satire. So who's gonna determine
Speaker 3: what's the satire and what's not? You Ald, you have
Speaker 3: a panel of geniuses that will get it right. That's
Speaker 3: so crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the federal judge took about as long to look
Speaker 5: at that case as you would if your kids suggested
Speaker 5: you get a grizzly bear. I mean, judge was like
Speaker 5: no with.
Speaker 1: This, okay?
Speaker 3: Little Tim Walls on Fox News Sunday again, credit to
Speaker 3: him for going in and how my we gole head?
Speaker 1: At times you are a knuckleheaded.
Speaker 3: Times more on the way stay here.
Speaker 8: I will own up when I misspeak, I will owe
Speaker 8: up when I make a mistake. My constituents here in
Speaker 8: Minnesota have elected me eight times. They know where I'm at,
Speaker 8: and I'm poud to be on the ticket and we'll
Speaker 8: deliver just like we have here in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's Tim Walls who was on Fox News Sunday yesterday,
Speaker 3: and good for him for going onto that show. Although
Speaker 3: if you're a Republican, your only option for news coverage
Speaker 3: is to go into the lions Den every day, all
Speaker 3: day long, constantly. But it's a big deal if a
Speaker 3: Democrat ever does it, because they don't have to very often.
Speaker 3: And anyway, for whatever reason, Tim Walls went on there,
Speaker 3: and I was glad that Shannon Breen, the host of
Speaker 3: Fox News Sunday, got into some of this abortion stuff.
Speaker 1: He threw around a lot of names of a lot
Speaker 1: of women.
Speaker 3: Who either were really hurt or died because they couldn't
Speaker 3: get what do they call it, women's.
Speaker 5: Reprovotive health care in particular?
Speaker 3: Now, no doubt there it is more restrictive in some
Speaker 3: areas of the country. It's harder to get an abortion
Speaker 3: than it used to be. But if you've got lots
Speaker 3: of examples of women dying because of this, then why
Speaker 3: would you have to make up some of them like
Speaker 3: it seems Tim Walls has done.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to this conversation.
Speaker 9: I want to clarify what the law is there in Minnesota.
Speaker 9: Abortion Finder, a website that helps women find access, says
Speaker 9: abortion is legal throughout pregnancy in Minnesota. There is no
Speaker 9: ban or limit on abortion in Minnesota based on how
Speaker 9: far along in a pregnancy you are. You sign the
Speaker 9: bill that makes it legal through all nine months. Is
Speaker 9: that a position you think Democrats should advocate for nationally?
Speaker 8: Look, the Vice President, I have been clear, the restoration
Speaker 8: of Roe versus Wade is what we're asking for.
Speaker 1: This Womanblrov Wade can make our own. The law is
Speaker 1: very clear.
Speaker 8: It does not change that that has been debunked on
Speaker 8: every occasion.
Speaker 1: But this is age. Let's agree.
Speaker 9: What you signed is there's not a single limit through
Speaker 9: nine months of pregnancy. Roe had a trimester framework that
Speaker 9: did have limits through the pregnancy. The Minnesota law does
Speaker 9: not have that.
Speaker 1: This puts.
Speaker 8: This puts the decision with the woman in her health
Speaker 8: care providers. The situation we have is when you don't
Speaker 8: have the ability of health care provide to provide that.
Speaker 8: That's where you end up with a situation like Amanda's
Speaker 8: Worski in Texas, where they are afraid to do what's necessary.
Speaker 8: This doesn't change anything. It puts the decision back on
Speaker 8: to the woman, to the physicians, and we know that
Speaker 8: this is simply something to be brought up.
Speaker 3: So that was the topic of the law that he
Speaker 3: signed in Minnesota, and whether or not it allows abortion
Speaker 3: clear up to the end or perhaps beyond, which he
Speaker 3: said had been fact checked to death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has.
Speaker 3: It's been fact checked to death against you, right, so yeah,
Speaker 3: and then well.
Speaker 1: He's tired of it too much fact checking.
Speaker 3: And then a couple of the names that he throws
Speaker 3: around of women that died because of not beginning being
Speaker 3: able to get the proper care in his words, one
Speaker 3: of them being a woman in Georgia. Shannon Breem made
Speaker 3: this point, but to be clear.
Speaker 9: That lot it's far beyond rov Wade and about the
Speaker 9: inber Thurban case in Georgia. Her family has and it's tragic.
Speaker 1: She is a young.
Speaker 9: Mother who left behind a young son. So what her
Speaker 9: family has said is it was a complication from an
Speaker 9: abortion pill that she received and she didn't get proper
Speaker 9: care when she went to a Georgia hospital, which had
Speaker 9: multiple opportunities to intervene there.
Speaker 1: Her own attorney.
Speaker 9: The family's attorney says it wasn't the Georgia law, it
Speaker 9: was the hospitals. What he claims is malpractice not treating
Speaker 9: for her when she clearly showed up in distress and
Speaker 9: still had the byproducts of her pregnancy because of that
Speaker 9: rare complication from the abortion pill. So just to be
Speaker 9: clear on the Georgia law and how her family and
Speaker 9: her attorney sees it.
Speaker 3: Now, that's one of the names they throw around constantly,
Speaker 3: this poor woman down in Georgia who died as an
Speaker 3: example of the evil right wing abortion laws. And you know, again,
Speaker 3: if you got a whole bunch of good examples of
Speaker 3: how women are dying left and right from not being
Speaker 3: able to get the proper abortions, then why do you
Speaker 3: throw out one that's clearly a lie, as Shannon Brene
Speaker 3: pointed out there, and you can google it, and it's
Speaker 3: not just in New York Post and Fox. There are
Speaker 3: plenty of other publications that point out her own lawyers
Speaker 3: saying no, it wasn't about the abortion. It was a
Speaker 3: bad the hospital did a bad job of treating somebody.
Speaker 3: And people die from mistakes all the time in this country,
Speaker 3: and this is one of them.
Speaker 5: They're trying to make the argument that the doctors are
Speaker 5: so terrified by the new abortion laws in Georgia, for instance,
Speaker 5: that they're afraid to go anywhere near a woman's reproductive parts.
Speaker 5: But that is absolutely not the case in this case.
Speaker 5: Shannon Bream, by the way, is painstakingly fair. She is
Speaker 5: a paragon among quote unquote journalists these days, and I
Speaker 5: thought she was very fair in that interview too.
Speaker 1: But I know you agree, So that's why I'm saying it.
Speaker 3: Clearly, it's true that if you had a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of good examples of women dying because of restrictive abortion policies,
Speaker 3: you would drop them out.
Speaker 1: But you've got like three names you hammer over and
Speaker 1: over again.
Speaker 3: At least one of them and the other two were suspective,
Speaker 3: but at least one of them is clearly bogus.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's another example of the Joe Getty axiom that
Speaker 5: people don't offer terrible arguments or examples because they're keeping
Speaker 5: their good ones fresh for the weekend. Now they offer
Speaker 5: them because that's all they've got. It's a tragic story,
Speaker 5: and you know it's worth mentioning that they've worked very,
Speaker 5: very hard to make the so called abortion pill very
Speaker 5: very easy to get with few limitations. There is a
Speaker 5: surprisingly high rate of complications with that women in UH
Speaker 5: I can't remember what I headed in front of me,
Speaker 5: and I don't now forgive me, but it is a
Speaker 5: high enough percentage of complications where women have to go
Speaker 5: get emergency room care. That the idea of making it
Speaker 5: effortless to get with no strings attached, and you just
Speaker 5: read the warning label on the bottle, it's probably unwise,
Speaker 5: even if you're in favor of it.
Speaker 3: And on this topic, Tim Walls and his boss Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris continue to go around. She'll probably say it on
Speaker 3: Sixty Minutes tonight, She'll probably say it on Howard Stern Tomorrow,
Speaker 3: she'll probably we say it on I think she's on
Speaker 3: a Jimmy Fowler, Jimmy Kimmel this week. Kamala Harris will
Speaker 3: probably continue to repeat that Donald Trump wants to sign
Speaker 3: an abortion ban, even though Donald Trump has stated the opposite.
Speaker 3: But anyway that came up yesterday, it should.
Speaker 8: Be very clear Donald Trump's asking for a nation wide
Speaker 8: abortion bank.
Speaker 9: And again we don't see this that he will not
Speaker 9: sign a national abortion ban. Are you calling that just
Speaker 9: it's a flat out line.
Speaker 8: Yes, of course, and Senator Vance has in the past
Speaker 8: said so too. Now, look, they may see this as
Speaker 8: an election issue. We see it as a right of
Speaker 8: women to make their own bodily decisions. And that's what
Speaker 8: the states like my state have the ability to put
Speaker 8: that in states like Georgia force women to cross the border.
Speaker 8: And then we have a death of Amber Thurmott. So
Speaker 8: let's be very again.
Speaker 3: So there you're going to so he just blows by
Speaker 3: her saying but the candidates are saying the opposite of that.
Speaker 3: He just blows by that as if that wasn't said,
Speaker 3: and then goes back to ander Amber Thurman, who's the
Speaker 3: woman in Georgia who died from complications, not the whole
Speaker 3: abortion thing. So, as Britt Hume tweeted out yesterday, this
Speaker 3: is objectively false. Both men Trump and Vance have said
Speaker 3: they oppose an abortion ban. Trump said he would veto
Speaker 3: the measure if it passed Congress.
Speaker 1: He would veto his own Republican Congress. I mean, what
Speaker 1: else do you get. He said it out loud, and
Speaker 1: it would never get through the Senate anyway.
Speaker 5: We are arguing dishonestly about something that will never happen.
Speaker 1: This is America's politics. Yeah, that is.
Speaker 3: That's shocking though, that they continue to go around stating
Speaker 3: the opposite of what Vance and Trump are saying on
Speaker 3: the campaign trail.
Speaker 5: If I was one of the uber cynical political operatives
Speaker 5: that run the show these days, I'd say, what do
Speaker 5: you want him to run on?
Speaker 1: Jack?
Speaker 5: The economy, on immigration, on are great forward relations?
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna run out of portion. It's all we got.
Speaker 3: It is one of their most animating issues. Definitely, Kamala
Speaker 3: Harrison sixty Minutes tonight will be something to watch, although
Speaker 3: I don't trust sixty minutes to leave in anything that
Speaker 3: would make her look bad.
Speaker 5: And the current president's incoherent anyway. That's kind of your
Speaker 5: wrap up for the day, Armstrong and Getty