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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arms Strong

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Speaker 1: and Jettietie and he Armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 2: The FBI and Department of Homeland Security has issued a

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Speaker 2: warning saying October seventh, quote maybe a motivating factor for

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Speaker 2: violent extrements and hate crime perpetrators who are trying to

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Speaker 2: threaten public safety. The agency advising potential targets include synagogue, moss,

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Speaker 2: Islamic and community centers, and large gatherings. Authorities are concerned

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Speaker 2: over the possibility of lone wolf attacks, but authorities at

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Speaker 2: this time say there's no credible threat but remain on

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Speaker 2: high alerts.

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Speaker 3: And it's a one year anniversary of the massacre in

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Speaker 3: Israel by Hamas, and they always do this around anniversaries.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I remember a single example of

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Speaker 3: an anniversary leading to something, but it's not roy terrorists

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Speaker 3: generally work actually, But anyway, that's a separate story. Let's

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Speaker 3: hear one more report.

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Speaker 1: On this before we start commenting.

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Speaker 4: This is already now a much wider war. What started

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Speaker 4: in and around Gaza on October the seventh, that singular

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Speaker 4: terrifying attack inside Israel is now morphed into a conflict

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Speaker 4: that has drawn in Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Yeminence.

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Speaker 4: We've now had fourteen straight days of.

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Speaker 1: Day and night bombing.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot now depends on how Israel response

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Speaker 4: to that Uranian missile stripe does. Nettanna, who now decide

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Speaker 4: to settle all scores for all the enemies he has

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Speaker 4: around him. Iran is enemy number one certainly for Netanya?

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Speaker 4: Who or can the US persuade Natannaho to try and

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Speaker 4: calibrate his response to reduce the risk of even further escalation.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Trump over the weekend, in an interview,

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Speaker 3: said Israel absolutely should take out those nuclear facilities, Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden having said specifically no, Israel should not.

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Speaker 1: Do you escalate?

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Speaker 3: Right, have that on the list. Which that's a pretty

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Speaker 3: big difference right there. I mean, if you're looking for

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Speaker 3: policy differences between the two White Houses, that's a pretty

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Speaker 3: big one. Trump's encouraging them to take out the nuclear facilities,

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Speaker 3: which I think they should also, Right.

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Speaker 5: If you're looking for a reason to hold your nose

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Speaker 5: and go ahead and cast a vote despite your ill

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Speaker 5: ease with one candidate or the other. I would say,

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Speaker 5: the one who's standing up against the axis of Islamist

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Speaker 5: nut jobbery and viciousness is you know, perhaps a better choice.

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Speaker 1: But that's up to you. Of course.

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Speaker 5: I've been reading a great deal about let's about October

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Speaker 5: seventh itself, because I fully absorbed that horror on that

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Speaker 1: Although it's just unspeakable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just I was just looking at they

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Speaker 3: have a like a moment of silence going on right

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Speaker 3: now at the grounds of the Nova Music Festival. I

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Speaker 3: have stood on some like battlefields. I've been to ground zero,

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Speaker 3: you know, places where people died and everything like that. Man,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I could handle that music festival

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Speaker 3: ground one year later with some of the stories that

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Speaker 3: have come out of there, all those people chopped up

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Speaker 3: and raped to death and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, never mind the kibbutzas, the homes where families were

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Speaker 5: burned alive, children executed, mothers raped in front of their children,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's.

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Speaker 5: Unspeakable horror by subhuman animals. In my opinion, Israel says

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Speaker 5: nearly twelve hundred people died that day. That's how they

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Speaker 5: said it on NPR, Israel says as opposed to just

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Speaker 5: reporting the number. And then they went Hamas says forty

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Speaker 5: thousand people have died, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: So they're putting them you know, yeah, they're both saying this.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what's true and what's not? Really wow, As.

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Speaker 5: Usual, my focus is more on what to do about it,

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Speaker 5: as opposed to, you know, the mourning part of it.

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Speaker 1: And that's fine. I'm not saying it's in appropate.

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Speaker 5: But I'm especially curious about the way things are going

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Speaker 5: And I was intrigued by some writing by Shandy Race

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Speaker 5: in the Wall Street Journal one year after October seventh,

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Speaker 5: Israel sees a future at war, And I was.

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Speaker 1: Just scanning the article. It takes a long time to

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Speaker 5: I thought the key sentence from it, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: One year, I'm going to quote from the article.

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Speaker 5: Now, one year after the brutal Hamas attack that ended

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Speaker 1: And preparing to be at war. For years.

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Speaker 5: Lost a series of stunning attacks, they go into the list.

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Speaker 5: The campaign marks an aggressive shift in Israel's security posture.

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Speaker 5: For years, the military aim to provide long stretches of

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Speaker 5: Palestinian militants. There were occasional military maneuvers aimed at downgrading

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Speaker 5: Then they mentioned that Israel saw its GDP sore. It's

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Speaker 5: bustling capital, Tel Aviv, became a beautiful, affluent Mediterranean city.

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Speaker 1: But after October seventh.

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Speaker 5: Israel can no longer allow its enemies the time and

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Speaker 5: space to build up arsenals that can pose an existential threat.

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Speaker 5: Many have come to believe quote preemptive wars will be

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Speaker 5: Toolkit Kit said in National Security advisor. That's clearly true,

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Speaker 5: absolutely true, and it's not a choice, it's an existential reality.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what point it would be okay to

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Speaker 3: really bothered me that they use that term in the debate.

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Speaker 3: Would you support or oppose Israel launching a preemptive strike

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Speaker 3: on Iran? Preemptive after they just had two hundred ballistic

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Speaker 1: That would be a preemptive strike to hit them back?

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Speaker 5: What, Yeah, and something like five hundred if you go

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Speaker 5: back to April and totally Yeah, good point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Dn Panels report on CBS because it

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Speaker 3: did put the focus on what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We're a year out and it's as hot as ever.

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Speaker 3: There's a chance Israel and Iran are at full blown

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Speaker 3: war today. You could make the argument that they already are,

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Speaker 3: with the United States involved. So, yeah, this thing is

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Speaker 3: far from decided from what happened a year ago.

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Speaker 5: How about this sentence, different piece. Hamasa's massacre last October

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Speaker 5: seventh was a catastrophe for Israelis, but a year later,

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Speaker 5: it has also taught the West forgotten lessons about deterrence

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Speaker 5: political will and the illusions of a liberal, peaceful world.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's pretty good, I am. Those kind of statements

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Speaker 3: make me sad because I don't feel like we're I know,

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Speaker 3: we don't fully understand that as a country.

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Speaker 5: It's not that surprising that the most comfortable and affluent

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Speaker 5: ugly reality that's never ever changed in all of human history,

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Speaker 5: the politics of this play out.

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Speaker 1: Once in a while, we fall.

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Speaker 5: Into this belief that, oh, human nature's changed, we're all interconnected,

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Speaker 5: they're no more extremists and ugly people. Everything's great. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we can disarm and we'll be fine. Israel fell into

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's a decent point if they can. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's not surprising that we do, because we don't have

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Speaker 3: How about this? This is new Today. French President Emmanuel

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Speaker 3: Macrone called for a halt on arms deliveries to Israel

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Speaker 3: for use in Gaza. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who said

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Speaker 3: But how about that France is calling for a halt

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Speaker 1: Why.

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Speaker 5: I don't know a lot about the current state of

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Speaker 5: And if you think jee Biden and Kamala Harris have

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Speaker 5: a problem with Muslim voters in Michigan, France's entire you know,

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Speaker 5: And I just wonder whether that's a domestic political reality

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Speaker 1: They're not going to bring that up.

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Speaker 5: By the way, the reason Macrone asking Israel to lay

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's also been surprising to me for the past year that,

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, American hostages being held by Hamas hasn't

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Speaker 3: turned into a story. There are still nearly a hundred hostages,

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Speaker 3: a lot of them may be dead. The ones that aren't,

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Speaker 1: A lot of women, but.

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Speaker 3: There are four Americans there that just basically never get

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Speaker 1: The return of thescal We need the.

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Speaker 5: Return of the sausages. It's still bizarre and hilarious. So

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Speaker 3: It so how funny though, it's a horrific context and

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Speaker 3: I mean hostages, yes, hostigle.

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Speaker 5: I am certain that we have crafted the word horrfarious,

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Speaker 5: something that is simultaneously horrifying and hilarious. That was horrfarious.

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Speaker 5: So getting back to the Wall Street Journal's editorial board.

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Speaker 5: In a separate piece, they talk about how the world

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Speaker 5: must never forget the videos of Hamas's atrocity, how they

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Speaker 5: slaughtered the defenseless deliberately and in close range. I won't

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Speaker 5: go on and on took the hostages. Hamas is proud

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Speaker 5: if it could. As Hamas Paulaburo member Gazi Ahmad put

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Speaker 1: The terror group would like to repeat October seventh.

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Speaker 5: Again and again. Now this is the part that I

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Speaker 5: on elite college campuses. The intellectual case for murderous terror,

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Speaker 5: made by Franz Fannon and taught without hesitation for two generations,

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Speaker 5: has poisoned the young against their own civilization. Students for

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Speaker 5: Justice in Palestine on October seventh, these are Americans called

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Speaker 5: it a historic win for Palestinian resistance, and anti Semitism

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Speaker 5: was tolerated by university presidents as free speech. I don't

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Speaker 5: expect you to spend a lot of time and energy

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Speaker 5: just trust me on this, and if you want, read

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Speaker 5: James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose's Cynical Theories. It's an absolutely

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Speaker 5: Incredibly influential thinker on the campuses of America's quote unquote eliteies.

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Speaker 1: This is no ordinary election.

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Speaker 7: The other side wants to take away your freedom of speech.

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Speaker 5: I have time to do neither.

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Speaker 1: And that's disappointing to both to me and the audience.

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Speaker 3: And the milliar the lawyer milks the goat or the

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Speaker 3: and and so she sold her hair brush. She sold

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Speaker 3: her hair to buy a hairbrush for something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, something something, and then the goat, yeah, yeah, I will.

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Speaker 5: I will tell you this Harrison Walls together, if you

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Speaker 5: weave together the many statements that they have made of

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Speaker 5: the sort I mean, for instance, the First Amendment doesn't

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Speaker 5: protect hate speech or misinformation. That is specifically what it

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Speaker 5: freaking protects.

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Speaker 1: That is at the core of it.

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Speaker 5: Unpopular speech, controversial speech, speech which you would like to ban,

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Speaker 5: and the whole fire and a crowded theater thing, which

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Speaker 5: is from the terrible Shank versus the US case. And

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Speaker 5: never repeat that, by the way, it's it's falsehood. But

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Speaker 5: when you read down the whole case that can be

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Speaker 5: made against Harris Walls and their record on free speech,

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Speaker 5: it is a serious threat to free speech. This is

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Speaker 5: not some sort of fanciful. You know, paranoia, exercise in paranoia. Now, granted,

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Speaker 5: especially as it's currently constituted the free the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: would eventually just absolutely sack it out of the park

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Speaker 5: if the case went before them. But they are trying

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Speaker 5: to aggressively tout the idea that they can regulate speech

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Speaker 5: and approve and disapprove your political speech over and over again.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what disgusting Gavin was trying to do in

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Speaker 3: California right by outlawing ai satire. So who's gonna determine

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Speaker 3: what's the satire and what's not? You Ald, you have

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Speaker 3: a panel of geniuses that will get it right. That's

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Speaker 3: so crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the federal judge took about as long to look

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Speaker 5: at that case as you would if your kids suggested

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Speaker 5: you get a grizzly bear. I mean, judge was like

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Speaker 5: no with.

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Speaker 1: This, okay?

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Speaker 3: Little Tim Walls on Fox News Sunday again, credit to

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Speaker 3: him for going in and how my we gole head?

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Speaker 1: At times you are a knuckleheaded.

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Speaker 3: Times more on the way stay here.

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Speaker 8: I will own up when I misspeak, I will owe

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Speaker 8: up when I make a mistake. My constituents here in

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Speaker 8: Minnesota have elected me eight times. They know where I'm at,

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Speaker 8: and I'm poud to be on the ticket and we'll

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Speaker 8: deliver just like we have here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's Tim Walls who was on Fox News Sunday yesterday,

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Speaker 3: and good for him for going onto that show. Although

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Speaker 3: if you're a Republican, your only option for news coverage

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Speaker 3: is to go into the lions Den every day, all

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Speaker 3: day long, constantly. But it's a big deal if a

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Speaker 3: Democrat ever does it, because they don't have to very often.

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Speaker 3: And anyway, for whatever reason, Tim Walls went on there,

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Speaker 3: and I was glad that Shannon Breen, the host of

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Speaker 3: Fox News Sunday, got into some of this abortion stuff.

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Speaker 1: He threw around a lot of names of a lot

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Speaker 1: of women.

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Speaker 3: Who either were really hurt or died because they couldn't

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Speaker 3: get what do they call it, women's.

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Speaker 5: Reprovotive health care in particular?

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Speaker 3: Now, no doubt there it is more restrictive in some

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Speaker 3: areas of the country. It's harder to get an abortion

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Speaker 3: than it used to be. But if you've got lots

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Speaker 3: of examples of women dying because of this, then why

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Speaker 3: would you have to make up some of them like

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Speaker 3: it seems Tim Walls has done.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to this conversation.

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Speaker 9: I want to clarify what the law is there in Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: Abortion Finder, a website that helps women find access, says

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Speaker 9: abortion is legal throughout pregnancy in Minnesota. There is no

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Speaker 9: ban or limit on abortion in Minnesota based on how

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Speaker 9: far along in a pregnancy you are. You sign the

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Speaker 9: bill that makes it legal through all nine months. Is

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Speaker 9: that a position you think Democrats should advocate for nationally?

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Speaker 8: Look, the Vice President, I have been clear, the restoration

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Speaker 8: of Roe versus Wade is what we're asking for.

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Speaker 1: This Womanblrov Wade can make our own. The law is

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Speaker 1: very clear.

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Speaker 8: It does not change that that has been debunked on

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Speaker 8: every occasion.

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Speaker 1: But this is age. Let's agree.

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Speaker 9: What you signed is there's not a single limit through

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Speaker 9: nine months of pregnancy. Roe had a trimester framework that

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Speaker 9: did have limits through the pregnancy. The Minnesota law does

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Speaker 9: not have that.

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Speaker 1: This puts.

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Speaker 8: This puts the decision with the woman in her health

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Speaker 8: care providers. The situation we have is when you don't

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Speaker 8: have the ability of health care provide to provide that.

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Speaker 8: That's where you end up with a situation like Amanda's

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Speaker 8: Worski in Texas, where they are afraid to do what's necessary.

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Speaker 8: This doesn't change anything. It puts the decision back on

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Speaker 8: to the woman, to the physicians, and we know that

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Speaker 8: this is simply something to be brought up.

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Speaker 3: So that was the topic of the law that he

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Speaker 3: signed in Minnesota, and whether or not it allows abortion

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Speaker 3: clear up to the end or perhaps beyond, which he

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Speaker 3: said had been fact checked to death.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it has.

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Speaker 3: It's been fact checked to death against you, right, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then well.

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Speaker 1: He's tired of it too much fact checking.

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Speaker 3: And then a couple of the names that he throws

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Speaker 3: around of women that died because of not beginning being

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Speaker 3: able to get the proper care in his words, one

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Speaker 3: of them being a woman in Georgia. Shannon Breem made

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Speaker 3: this point, but to be clear.

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Speaker 9: That lot it's far beyond rov Wade and about the

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Speaker 9: inber Thurban case in Georgia. Her family has and it's tragic.

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Speaker 1: She is a young.

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Speaker 9: Mother who left behind a young son. So what her

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Speaker 9: family has said is it was a complication from an

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Speaker 9: abortion pill that she received and she didn't get proper

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Speaker 9: care when she went to a Georgia hospital, which had

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Speaker 9: multiple opportunities to intervene there.

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Speaker 1: Her own attorney.

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Speaker 9: The family's attorney says it wasn't the Georgia law, it

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Speaker 9: was the hospitals. What he claims is malpractice not treating

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Speaker 9: for her when she clearly showed up in distress and

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Speaker 9: still had the byproducts of her pregnancy because of that

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Speaker 9: rare complication from the abortion pill. So just to be

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Speaker 9: clear on the Georgia law and how her family and

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Speaker 9: her attorney sees it.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's one of the names they throw around constantly,

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Speaker 3: this poor woman down in Georgia who died as an

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Speaker 3: example of the evil right wing abortion laws. And you know, again,

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Speaker 3: if you got a whole bunch of good examples of

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Speaker 3: how women are dying left and right from not being

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Speaker 3: able to get the proper abortions, then why do you

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Speaker 3: throw out one that's clearly a lie, as Shannon Brene

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Speaker 3: pointed out there, and you can google it, and it's

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Speaker 3: not just in New York Post and Fox. There are

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Speaker 3: plenty of other publications that point out her own lawyers

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Speaker 3: saying no, it wasn't about the abortion. It was a

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Speaker 3: bad the hospital did a bad job of treating somebody.

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Speaker 3: And people die from mistakes all the time in this country,

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Speaker 3: and this is one of them.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to make the argument that the doctors are

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Speaker 5: so terrified by the new abortion laws in Georgia, for instance,

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Speaker 5: that they're afraid to go anywhere near a woman's reproductive parts.

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Speaker 5: But that is absolutely not the case in this case.

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Speaker 5: Shannon Bream, by the way, is painstakingly fair. She is

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Speaker 5: a paragon among quote unquote journalists these days, and I

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Speaker 5: thought she was very fair in that interview too.

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Speaker 1: But I know you agree, So that's why I'm saying it.

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Speaker 3: Clearly, it's true that if you had a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of good examples of women dying because of restrictive abortion policies,

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Speaker 3: you would drop them out.

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Speaker 1: But you've got like three names you hammer over and

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Speaker 1: over again.

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Speaker 3: At least one of them and the other two were suspective,

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Speaker 3: but at least one of them is clearly bogus.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's another example of the Joe Getty axiom that

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Speaker 5: people don't offer terrible arguments or examples because they're keeping

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Speaker 5: their good ones fresh for the weekend. Now they offer

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Speaker 5: them because that's all they've got. It's a tragic story,

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Speaker 5: and you know it's worth mentioning that they've worked very,

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Speaker 5: very hard to make the so called abortion pill very

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Speaker 5: very easy to get with few limitations. There is a

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Speaker 5: surprisingly high rate of complications with that women in UH

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Speaker 5: I can't remember what I headed in front of me,

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Speaker 5: and I don't now forgive me, but it is a

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Speaker 5: high enough percentage of complications where women have to go

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Speaker 5: get emergency room care. That the idea of making it

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Speaker 5: effortless to get with no strings attached, and you just

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Speaker 5: read the warning label on the bottle, it's probably unwise,

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Speaker 5: even if you're in favor of it.

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Speaker 3: And on this topic, Tim Walls and his boss Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris continue to go around. She'll probably say it on

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Speaker 3: Sixty Minutes tonight, She'll probably say it on Howard Stern Tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: she'll probably we say it on I think she's on

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Speaker 3: a Jimmy Fowler, Jimmy Kimmel this week. Kamala Harris will

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Speaker 3: probably continue to repeat that Donald Trump wants to sign

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Speaker 3: an abortion ban, even though Donald Trump has stated the opposite.

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Speaker 3: But anyway that came up yesterday, it should.

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Speaker 8: Be very clear Donald Trump's asking for a nation wide

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Speaker 8: abortion bank.

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Speaker 9: And again we don't see this that he will not

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Speaker 9: sign a national abortion ban. Are you calling that just

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Speaker 9: it's a flat out line.

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Speaker 8: Yes, of course, and Senator Vance has in the past

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Speaker 8: said so too. Now, look, they may see this as

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Speaker 8: an election issue. We see it as a right of

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Speaker 8: women to make their own bodily decisions. And that's what

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Speaker 8: the states like my state have the ability to put

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Speaker 8: that in states like Georgia force women to cross the border.

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Speaker 8: And then we have a death of Amber Thurmott. So

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Speaker 8: let's be very again.

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Speaker 3: So there you're going to so he just blows by

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Speaker 3: her saying but the candidates are saying the opposite of that.

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Speaker 3: He just blows by that as if that wasn't said,

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Speaker 3: and then goes back to ander Amber Thurman, who's the

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Speaker 3: woman in Georgia who died from complications, not the whole

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Speaker 3: abortion thing. So, as Britt Hume tweeted out yesterday, this

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Speaker 3: is objectively false. Both men Trump and Vance have said

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Speaker 3: they oppose an abortion ban. Trump said he would veto

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Speaker 3: the measure if it passed Congress.

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Speaker 1: He would veto his own Republican Congress. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: else do you get. He said it out loud, and

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Speaker 1: it would never get through the Senate anyway.

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Speaker 5: We are arguing dishonestly about something that will never happen.

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Speaker 1: This is America's politics. Yeah, that is.

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Speaker 3: That's shocking though, that they continue to go around stating

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Speaker 3: the opposite of what Vance and Trump are saying on

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Speaker 3: the campaign trail.

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Speaker 5: If I was one of the uber cynical political operatives

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Speaker 5: that run the show these days, I'd say, what do

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Speaker 5: you want him to run on?

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Speaker 1: Jack?

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Speaker 5: The economy, on immigration, on are great forward relations?

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna run out of portion. It's all we got.

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Speaker 3: It is one of their most animating issues. Definitely, Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harrison sixty Minutes tonight will be something to watch, although

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Speaker 3: I don't trust sixty minutes to leave in anything that

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Speaker 3: would make her look bad.

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Speaker 5: And the current president's incoherent anyway. That's kind of your

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Speaker 5: wrap up for the day, Armstrong and Getty