Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me.
Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy
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Speaker 3: Is that woo woof?
Speaker 2: And Dan and Tie.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the solid rebel boys and girls. My
Speaker 3: name is Ty hilde Brandt. That fine gentleman over there,
Speaker 3: the one, the only, still, the incomparable Dan Rubinstein, sir,
Speaker 3: how is your cold bath this morning?
Speaker 2: Is that a thing that you do is good? I
Speaker 2: heard I've been hearing for a long time so much,
Speaker 2: and I have friends who are believers in the I
Speaker 2: guess it's like a Scandinavian thing right where you uh sure,
Speaker 2: the cold plunge. I have no idea if I'm going
Speaker 2: to do this with any regularity, but I have a
Speaker 2: good amount of energy this morning, and I am very
Speaker 2: excited to eventually get into the the show topic at hand,
Speaker 2: which is running through the the Bowl situations from across
Speaker 2: the country. So I think my energy level is good.
Speaker 2: We do have a lot of news stuff to get to,
Speaker 2: some pretty pretty awful and sad, and some you know,
Speaker 2: pretty happy. So that's you know, such as life. But
Speaker 2: Ty always a joy to be here with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will do our best here to balance it
Speaker 3: all out. We do have some heavy stuff to get into.
Speaker 3: We will do that momentarily. This episode, all of our
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Speaker 3: which we're very excited they're letting us in the door. Frankly,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a great show. As we've said
Speaker 3: time and again, we don't know when we'll be out
Speaker 3: on the West Coast again. I mean, you'll be back
Speaker 3: visiting family, I'm sure. But in terms of us doing
Speaker 3: a show on the West Coast, it's something we've wanted
Speaker 3: to do for a good long time now. We had
Speaker 3: plans to do it before the pandemic. Obviously that did
Speaker 3: not work. Out. We have now got our ducks in
Speaker 3: a row. We are headed out west the Saturday before
Speaker 3: the National Championship on January of the seventh, So come
Speaker 3: on out if you can get to LA. If you're
Speaker 3: already in the LA area, maybe you're coming in for
Speaker 3: the game. Just saying if you can get on out there,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a show for the Ages and
Speaker 3: we would be super excited and thrilled and honored if
Speaker 3: you would join us. Absolutely can't wait to see out there,
Speaker 3: all right, Dan. With that being said, yes, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to play the breaking news sound. It would not
Speaker 3: be appropriate because we got some sad news today in
Speaker 3: the world of college football. Mike Leach. Beloved coach Mike
Speaker 3: Leach passed away on Monday evening at the age of
Speaker 3: sixty one after complications related to a heart condition. This
Speaker 3: news started to circulate, I guess on Sunday when we
Speaker 3: started to hear that coach Leach had suffered from what
Speaker 3: the university called initially as a quote personal health issue
Speaker 3: at his home in Starkville. He had to be airlifted
Speaker 3: to the University of Mississippi Medical Center up in Jackson,
Speaker 3: which is like one hundred and twenty or so odd
Speaker 3: miles away. News had sort of been hard to come
Speaker 3: by from that point forward. I think folks wanted to
Speaker 3: respect the privacy of the family and coach Leach, but
Speaker 3: we started to get indications that it was a pretty
Speaker 3: dire situation. And then just this morning, as we record
Speaker 3: this on Tuesday, heard the news of coach Leach passing away. So,
Speaker 3: you know, a tragic thing, man, It's it's sad. We
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to interview coach Leach on two separate
Speaker 3: occasions back in twenty eleven twenty twelve. Maybe I'll if
Speaker 3: I can dig those interviews up, I'll post them. But
Speaker 3: just one of those things where you see it, you
Speaker 3: sit back and you're just kind of in shock for
Speaker 3: a minute.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Thoughts condolences go out to the Leech family, to the
Speaker 3: Mississippi State community, to his friends. I even think of
Speaker 3: guys like Bruce Fellman, with whom Coach Leech spent a
Speaker 3: ton of time writing that book Swing Your Sword. You know,
Speaker 3: just a lot goes through your mind. This has been
Speaker 3: truly a titan in some sense in the college football
Speaker 3: world and really the broader world of sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, everything you said, and I don't really
Speaker 2: have a terrible amount of things to add or things
Speaker 2: to say that others haven't already said better than I can.
Speaker 2: Only knew him a little bit, was on the show
Speaker 2: a couple of times, we spoke to him a little
Speaker 2: bit outside of that. But his legacy on the field
Speaker 2: obviously is an incredible amount of creativity and fun football teams,
Speaker 2: fun offenses, and the legacy off the field is a
Speaker 2: tremendous this amount of curiosity and eccentricity and quirkiness and
Speaker 2: you know, holding a variety of interests. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: the overwhelming number of people who sort of consumed the
Speaker 2: Mike Leech experience publicly will know him for that. I'm
Speaker 2: sure a number of former players of his are absolutely
Speaker 2: crushed today. And like anybody you know, sort of complicated,
Speaker 2: flawed dude, I raised my hand absolutely as well as
Speaker 2: a complicated, flawed dude. So I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 2: people have a number of emotions, largely I'm sure sorrow
Speaker 2: about the loss of Mike Leech. But man, it all
Speaker 2: is especially given the timing, especially sitting head coach, which
Speaker 2: is rare in this sport right usually, you know, we
Speaker 2: mourn somebody and it's they've been retired for some time,
Speaker 2: and that's sort of the cycle of life. But you know,
Speaker 2: you go, I think it was Randy Walker maybe the
Speaker 2: last sitting head coach. That was summer though that wasn't
Speaker 2: mid season, and so yeah, it this kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure all of us in some way have
Speaker 2: been touched by untimely deaths and especially heart disease. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just boom, it's it's one day, this, one day that,
Speaker 2: So it's it really does speak to the fragility of
Speaker 2: it all. And you know, echoing with you said, obviously
Speaker 2: our thoughts and condolences with everybody touched by Mike Leach
Speaker 2: and his family in his circle. Just incredibly tragic.
Speaker 3: Yep, heavy stuff, so sad news. Always hate to lead
Speaker 3: with sad news, but sometimes you don't have a choice.
Speaker 3: So again, thoughts and condolences to those who who knew
Speaker 3: coach Leach, and as you said, we're in his circle.
Speaker 3: It's the sad stuff. Yeah, there is no easy transition
Speaker 3: to go to other subjects, but I will attempt to
Speaker 3: do so because there are things around the world of
Speaker 3: college football, thankfully that aren't quite as sad aren't quite
Speaker 3: as heavy that we did not have an opportunity to
Speaker 3: mention if I could get to those. If that's okay
Speaker 3: with you, Dan, please do.
Speaker 2: Williams.
Speaker 3: Congratulations he wins the Heisman Trophy. Not a great surprise
Speaker 3: there that he would win.
Speaker 4: C J.
Speaker 3: Stroud, Max Dugg and Stetson Bennett were also in New York,
Speaker 3: but Caleb Williams was the runaway winner, So congratulations to him.
Speaker 3: He's got the bowl game coming up against Tulane. Purdue
Speaker 3: has hired Ryan Walters, the defensive coordinator from Illinois, as
Speaker 3: its new head guy. They're doing so because Jeff Brom
Speaker 3: decided to go to Louisville. That became official as well
Speaker 3: since we last recorded. Stanford has named its coach Troy Taylor.
Speaker 3: Troy Taylor was a name who sort of emerged in
Speaker 3: that search. Now he's going to be the head guy
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Tim Beck.
Speaker 3: Tim Beck going to be the new guy at coastal
Speaker 3: as such, Grace McCall has decided to throw his name
Speaker 3: I'm out in the transfer portal. Yeah, I'm sure that
Speaker 3: was not at all coincidence. But tim Beck going to
Speaker 3: be taking over at Coast Carolina and in other coaching news.
Speaker 3: Navy decided to part ways with ken Neiamatalolo after the
Speaker 3: season after the the Army Navy game here about a
Speaker 3: week ago. So a bunch of news breaking in the
Speaker 3: coaching ranks there, in addition to Caleb Williams winning the
Speaker 3: Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2: Dan, that's a lot of a lot to digest that
Speaker 2: the run of news items. Uh So, I suppose in
Speaker 2: some kind of order, the Caleb Williams experience for USC
Speaker 2: was incredible, and him winning the Heisman, especially who he
Speaker 2: was pitted against, like you want to talk about the
Speaker 2: Max Duggan experience incredible obviously, uh CJ. Stroud some incredible
Speaker 2: highs obviously for the Ohio State offense. Stetson Bennett extremely
Speaker 2: consistent and I am you know the the engineer on
Speaker 2: the Stetson Bennett is actually very good train. Even if
Speaker 2: we're all joking about the future car dealerships that will
Speaker 2: make him a very ye yeah, let me put you
Speaker 2: I saw somebody tweeting him with Spencer Hall, you know,
Speaker 2: putting you in a Kia Tell You Ride, which is
Speaker 2: such a funny you know name for a car at
Speaker 2: Kia Tell You Ride. I yeah, I don't I Hendon
Speaker 2: Hooker finishing out the year and having Tennessee he would
Speaker 2: have been the presumptive favorite if he remained healthy and
Speaker 2: not getting shelled by South Carolina, I suppose, But that
Speaker 2: had little to do with Hendon Hooker. Yeah, Blake harm
Speaker 2: maybe the same thing. It just it was a year
Speaker 2: of very, very good and the Caleb Williams experience was excellent.
Speaker 2: Almost the best quarterback in his conference, says this bitter Oregon,
Speaker 2: with bon Nicks finishing as a more efficient thrower and runner,
Speaker 2: but can't lose games, and Caleb Williams by and large
Speaker 2: won a number of games almost solo. So you tip
Speaker 2: your cap and you're like, he is the most excellent
Speaker 2: quarterback and player in college football. Hard to argue with it.
Speaker 2: Pretty high, Ryan Walters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's a good higher. I
Speaker 3: think it's a low key, awesome higher. I really like,
Speaker 3: I really really like that hire. It's a guy who's
Speaker 3: familiar mm hmm with the Big Ten given his fine
Speaker 3: work at Illinois. Obviously the results have been outstanding. He
Speaker 3: hopefully will boost that defense on the Purdue side and
Speaker 3: can give them some new ideas otherwise, so I like it.
Speaker 3: I like the move a great amount.
Speaker 2: I'm in it. I'm into it. Yeah, he's been around
Speaker 2: big programs. I like that he is as sending right,
Speaker 2: that Purdue is taking a swing on somebody without a
Speaker 2: ton of experience, and that he is a younger guy,
Speaker 2: was a thirty six. Yeah, but I'm into swings. Ty,
Speaker 2: you know that I am a proud swinger. He set,
Speaker 2: settle down, set I'm not a proud swinger. I'm deeply
Speaker 2: a shamed swinger.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 2: I'm into it, Ty, I just I am. And I
Speaker 2: think Purdue is a program that is going to have
Speaker 2: money to play with. If he's good, they can I
Speaker 2: mentioned this in our discord at verbolers dot com. They
Speaker 2: can compete with salary. If he's not good, they have
Speaker 2: the big ten money. That's sweet, nbccbs, whatever cash to
Speaker 2: buy him out. And so I always appreciate this over
Speaker 2: a retread, and so I'm into this higher Troy Taylor,
Speaker 2: I'm very much into It's kind of funny that Stanford
Speaker 2: hires a cow guy through and through, but Troy taylor
Speaker 2: success as an offensive coordinator at Utah, his recent success
Speaker 2: at Sacramento State. I went back and watching tape of
Speaker 2: a very good sax State offense. I think it's been
Speaker 2: needed for Stanford to start over a little bit, and
Speaker 2: I like that they went outside of the obviously Jim
Speaker 2: Harbaugh David shaw Tree to sort of start a new
Speaker 2: thing with Troy Taylor. So I'm into that higher to
Speaker 2: see what he can do on the West Coast. And
Speaker 2: I don't know what else. Did you mention Tim Back? Whatever? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Tim Back thing is just notable.
Speaker 3: We had to mention it. I think if only because
Speaker 3: of the Grayson mccallney, that he's still his name in
Speaker 3: the hat. The Kenya Mono Lolo firing was it took
Speaker 3: a lot by surprise given what he has accomplished at Navy,
Speaker 3: But it does feel like things are going to be
Speaker 3: sideways over the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: So did you see the story yesterday about how it
Speaker 2: all went down? Did you see that on ESPN?
Speaker 3: An, I saw it, But if you'd like to recap it,
Speaker 3: you'd probably do a better job than me.
Speaker 2: So he was essentially fired, he claims at his locker
Speaker 2: after losing in double overtime to Army final score twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: I believe overhit. I think the overhit for the first
Speaker 2: time in a long time, it seems in that game,
Speaker 2: and there were quotes from the ad, there were quotes
Speaker 2: from Kenya Montalolo that expectations were made clear, and that's
Speaker 2: beating Army and going to bowl games, and Navy has
Speaker 2: been doing less of that recently and winning the Commander's
Speaker 2: Commander in Chief's Trophy, whereas I mean that the strength
Speaker 2: of that has been with Air Force lately. Who will
Speaker 2: finished the season I think nine to three in a
Speaker 2: good Mountain West conference, So it's it's I think a
Speaker 2: tough pill to swallow, given he is the best Navy
Speaker 2: coach ever, at least in the modern era, and it
Speaker 2: just didn't seem to be consistently improving. And at a
Speaker 2: certain point you reach that breaking moment where you're like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be trending in a direction that
Speaker 2: makes sense now. So there's never a good way to
Speaker 2: sort of fire somebody. But if those expectations were laid
Speaker 2: out well in advance and he didn't meet them, I
Speaker 2: suppose it could not have come as a complete surprise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not a great season for Navy with
Speaker 3: what four wins, four and eight I think they finished up.
Speaker 3: But interestingly, bet UCF on the road in Week twelve,
Speaker 3: which was a bit of a head scratcher when it happened,
Speaker 3: played Notre Dame tight, played Cincinnati tight enough, talk about
Speaker 3: a difficult month of November, and then of course they
Speaker 3: lose the big game against Army in double overtime. So
Speaker 3: we wish him well. It'll be interesting to see which
Speaker 3: direction Navy decides to go next. But a bit of
Speaker 3: a surprise move, I would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he mentioned some of the restrictions Navy had. Obviously
Speaker 2: they were not able to red shirt players, and they
Speaker 2: didn't bring back players who technically would have had eligibility
Speaker 2: after the COVID season because of the Navy path to
Speaker 2: serving in the military after your four years at the
Speaker 2: Naval Academy. So the class schedule was brought up. There
Speaker 2: are all sorts of different things brought up, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure all of them, you know, played some sort of
Speaker 2: part and Navy's downturn. But you know, if the expectations
Speaker 2: were not reasonable to coach Nea Monalolo, he could have left.
Speaker 3: So left and he had opportunities, right ken Nea moned.
Speaker 2: To have opportunities looked around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was there there was a minute for coach
Speaker 3: Neia Monaalolo when he was a hot name out there,
Speaker 3: and so maybe you can get back to that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We wish everybody well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his reputation in the coaching world is
Speaker 2: extremely strong.
Speaker 3: Shall we get to our bowl? Zoom through? I would
Speaker 3: love to tie.
Speaker 1: Well, we told you today's flight would be special.
Speaker 3: Here is the way this is gonna work, Dan. Every
Speaker 3: year we do a confidence pool. We have done this
Speaker 3: for about fifteen years running. Now you can play. If
Speaker 3: you're listening to this, you can play for free at
Speaker 3: playwinter Wonders dot Com. Go there, enter your email. We
Speaker 3: will send you the instructions for how to get in
Speaker 3: the group. All right, plain and simple, no strings attached.
Speaker 3: This is a confidence pool, though. Explain a confidence pool
Speaker 3: works like this. There are forty three bowl games if
Speaker 3: you count the College Football Playoff National Championship on January
Speaker 3: the ninth, there are forty three games that you have
Speaker 3: to pick.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: The way this works is you pick straight winners, go
Speaker 3: all the way down. You pick the teams you think
Speaker 3: are going to win, and then you rank them in
Speaker 3: order of confidence. Forty three points to the winner that
Speaker 3: you are most confident in one point to the team
Speaker 3: that you are least confident in. You astutely mentioned on
Speaker 3: the last show, I think just playing off the first
Speaker 3: three words of confidence, Toto, and that maybe, just maybe
Speaker 3: we should make this con Air.
Speaker 4: Theme Welcome to con Air.
Speaker 3: So that is what we are doing on today's show, Dan.
Speaker 3: Throughout the course of the next forty forty five minutes
Speaker 3: or so, this is going to be a zoom through.
Speaker 3: We are going to go quick. We will come back
Speaker 3: to some of the bigger games in due time to
Speaker 3: preview individual matchups and schemes and point spreads and things
Speaker 3: of that ilk But for now, we are talking confidence,
Speaker 3: and we are talking all the games, all the games
Speaker 3: on this show.
Speaker 2: The general plot of Conair is a number of convicts,
Speaker 2: prisoners vics or correct convicts. Yes, prisoners escorted via a plane. Yes,
Speaker 2: they overtake the pilots of the plane obviously conn Air
Speaker 2: and use and try to use the plane to aid
Speaker 2: in their escape to freedom. Correct, and things go haywire,
Speaker 2: and their goals go from escaping to surviving and getting
Speaker 2: loose and figuring out. Essentially, this is literally landing the plane. Yes,
Speaker 2: and the treacherous analog that I'm drawing here is nobody
Speaker 2: knows exactly how to pick bowl games, because of opt outs,
Speaker 2: because of coaching changes, because of motivation, lack of motivation.
Speaker 2: You all of a sudden, you're gonna play a bunch
Speaker 2: of red shirts and younger players to see what you have.
Speaker 2: And so from a confidence perspective, it's hard to have
Speaker 2: a ton of confidence, just like it's hard to fly
Speaker 2: a number of prisoners through the desert, perhaps onto the
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Strip. So we're going to do our best
Speaker 2: to figure out on the fly as we run through
Speaker 2: these You said, forty three games, I believe how to
Speaker 2: land this proverbial confidition.
Speaker 3: The confidence plane. Yeah. And there were some characters, of course,
Speaker 3: notably Nick Cage, the one true god of the solid
Speaker 3: verbal Nick Cage played Cameron Poe. Cameron Poe was the
Speaker 3: only guy on the plane outside of the undercover US
Speaker 3: Marshall and maybe the pilots who had any integrity. Cameron
Speaker 3: Poe was just trying to get home. He was a parole,
Speaker 3: just trying to get out. He had his struggles, of
Speaker 3: course when he came home from serving active duty. That's
Speaker 3: how he ended up in prison in the first place.
Speaker 3: But at this point when we meet the character Cameron Poe.
Speaker 3: Cameron Poe is he's going home and he just wants
Speaker 3: this plane to get up to land so that he
Speaker 3: can go and see his wife and daughter. So in
Speaker 3: this case, Cameron Poe is the game is the winner
Speaker 3: with integrity that you can count on.
Speaker 4: Said, put the bunny back in the box.
Speaker 3: That's Cameron Poe. There's also a great character played by
Speaker 3: John Malkovich, Cyrus Grissom. You know him as Cyrus the Virus.
Speaker 5: His name is Cyrus Grissom aka Cyrus the Virus.
Speaker 3: That's Agent Lark and that's John Cusack. Also in the movie,
Speaker 3: John Cusack sets up Cyrus by saying that he's done
Speaker 3: it all dan kidnapping, robbery, murder, and extortion. He also
Speaker 3: notes that he's been incarceratored since he was fourteen. That's
Speaker 3: a lot to do before your age of fourteen. That's
Speaker 3: a lot. And I think he did a little bit
Speaker 3: of that when he was he was serving his time,
Speaker 3: but still that's that's a lot. Cyrus the Virus in
Speaker 3: this case is the cold calculated upset. Okay, the cold
Speaker 3: calculated killer. Yeah, takes down a team that you any
Speaker 3: means necessary. He says, and then, last, but not least,
Speaker 3: that's William Bedford aka Billy Bedlam. Billy Bedlam is just
Speaker 3: that Billy Bedlam caught his wife with another man and
Speaker 3: then just lost it. He's pure chaos. That's why they
Speaker 3: call it daily Bedlam. We've got games here in front
Speaker 3: of us that I think are pure chaos. So obviously
Speaker 3: not all the games are going to rise to any
Speaker 3: of these levels. But these are just a few of
Speaker 3: the characters that we're going to interject as we go
Speaker 3: through this confidence pool. Love to hear it, all, right,
Speaker 3: what are your rules for picking teams? I think you
Speaker 3: rightfully pointed out that when we get to Bowl season,
Speaker 3: a confidence pool is harder than it looks. We're picking
Speaker 3: straight winners. Usually we're picking against the points spread. We're
Speaker 3: not doing that here because that's not the way the
Speaker 3: confidence pool works. We can give those picks out a
Speaker 3: little bit later, But on today's show, when we're doing
Speaker 3: the zoom through where we're talking about all these games,
Speaker 3: we need to have rules, some rules, some guiding precepts
Speaker 3: when it comes to who we're picking and who we're not.
Speaker 3: I have a couple that you know that I talk
Speaker 3: about every year. I modify them a little bit every year.
Speaker 3: I think I finally got it figured out to go
Speaker 3: forty three and oh just saying, oh, look at you,
Speaker 3: just saying, but I just want to know where you're
Speaker 3: at here. Are there any rules that you live by
Speaker 3: with respect to the Winter Wonders Bowl Confidence Pool? Okay?
Speaker 2: So I always I love picking against the MAC. I
Speaker 2: just think as a conference, the defenses put out by
Speaker 2: MAC teams, by and large, if they aren't already exposed
Speaker 2: by the MAC offenses that they face during the season,
Speaker 2: they surely will buy teams from the American buy this,
Speaker 2: you know, in the sun Belt, in the Mountain West, whatever.
Speaker 2: So I like picking against the macpec Mac please do
Speaker 2: I love some action? I do. I love some midweek
Speaker 2: football taking place in Toledo or uh I'm you know,
Speaker 2: decalb Illinois.
Speaker 3: Wherever, Sure, Buffalo.
Speaker 2: But I like picking against MAC teams come bullseason confidence
Speaker 2: full time. I tend to look at defenses as an
Speaker 2: indicator of effort, and a lot of Bowl to me
Speaker 2: is motivation and effort. And I think there is something
Speaker 2: about defenses, especially in the defenses, that prevent bigger plays,
Speaker 2: which is tackling, which is focus which is adjusting and
Speaker 2: also a past rush, because pass rushes can cover for
Speaker 2: a lot of deficiencies, and by the end of the season,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are hurt all over the defense,
Speaker 2: all over the offense, a lot of people are tired,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are upset that they're missing the
Speaker 2: holidays with their family. But if you've got a pass rush,
Speaker 2: you can cover up for all of that. If paper
Speaker 2: over it, if you can muster the energy to what
Speaker 2: is our friend Jesse Palmer like to say, you pin
Speaker 2: your ears back and third in California whatever, Uh, if
Speaker 2: you got that, if you have that ability to summon
Speaker 2: that and just absolutely torch it, tackle here and there,
Speaker 2: I'm into your team in the ability to win a game.
Speaker 2: So defense, now we have to look at opt outs,
Speaker 2: we have to look at coaching changes. That's meaningful. Obviously,
Speaker 2: deeper teams are going to mean a better position, promising
Speaker 2: youth getting on the field. Whatever. It's better than having
Speaker 2: to play a bunch of walk ons at outside linebacker.
Speaker 2: So there is context that matters that we're just not
Speaker 2: going to have for every single team. But by and large,
Speaker 2: all things being equal, pick against the mac roll with
Speaker 2: the defense, especially if they're a better tackling team and
Speaker 2: have a better pass rush.
Speaker 3: I have two basic rules with okay, a couple parts
Speaker 3: to the second rule.
Speaker 2: Those are good rules. Those are good rules.
Speaker 3: And as as is typical here.
Speaker 2: On the show, you went a little bit deeper than
Speaker 2: I'm about to. It's okay.
Speaker 3: Stuff's big picture, your stuff is. So we're giving folks
Speaker 3: a little bit of everything here, hopefully that can guide
Speaker 3: their picks. I've talked about this rule for fifteen years.
Speaker 3: The first rule here, it's the old East Coast Elliot rule.
Speaker 3: I've been preaching at this altar for years now. He
Speaker 3: sold me on it. I think it's the only way
Speaker 3: to fly when it comes to confidence pools.
Speaker 2: Good reference to the only way to fly with con Air.
Speaker 2: It's intentional, but you nailed it.
Speaker 3: I am a pro after all, Repeat after me. Load
Speaker 3: up your confidence points early early early ESPN dot Com. Ever,
Speaker 3: every other side I've ever seen that offers a confidence
Speaker 3: pool will by default rank the last games with the
Speaker 3: most points. So the National Championship, it'll put forty three
Speaker 3: points on it. You don't even know who's going to
Speaker 3: play in that game, right, all right? Typically those are
Speaker 3: the ones that people like to load up with the
Speaker 3: most points, because those are the teams that you know
Speaker 3: and love and root for or root against.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have the biggest fan bases in the biggest
Speaker 2: platform during the.
Speaker 3: Year, and so a lot of people, not just the
Speaker 3: default setting by any of these websites, but a lot
Speaker 3: of people when they're picking these pools, they put the
Speaker 3: most points on those games. I am saying, flip the script,
Speaker 3: love it, flip the script. Those late games are often
Speaker 3: the hardest to predict, and you get I think, bigger matchups,
Speaker 3: bigger mismatches in your matchups early, So.
Speaker 2: Use that to your vantage.
Speaker 3: Flip the script. Load up on your confidence points early.
Speaker 3: Put more points on those early games now in the past.
Speaker 2: So by the way, just if I can, yeah, jump
Speaker 2: on top of that time really quick. Those are early
Speaker 2: games that you're referencing. This market inefficiency, I suppose is
Speaker 2: the correct term, right. A lot of them feature a
Speaker 2: lot of duct tape bowl teams who are beat like
Speaker 2: they got there, beating the one hundred and thirtieth EX
Speaker 2: one and twenty sixth, the one hundred and nineteenth. Your acrons,
Speaker 2: I'll due respect to Akron, your your Nevadas, whatever that
Speaker 2: they're beating a number of teams to get Bawl eligible, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, winning is better than losing get ball eligible.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's an accomplishment. But also if they don't
Speaker 2: have a win over the seventy third best team or
Speaker 2: the forty eighth best team, or the ninety first best team,
Speaker 2: via whatever metric you would like to choose. I know,
Speaker 2: we look at SPP plus. That's a nice little indicator
Speaker 2: in that early going in the it's not Guild in
Speaker 2: New Mexico Bowl anymore, but in the New Mexico Bowl,
Speaker 2: in the Independence Bowl, whatever, take a look at who
Speaker 2: they actually beat to get Bowl eligible. And there's a
Speaker 2: lot of those duct tape matchups, a lot a lot
Speaker 2: of duct tape matchups. My final point on this, and
Speaker 2: then I'll move on.
Speaker 3: To rule two.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 3: The rule for me used to be, I tell everybody
Speaker 3: sight unseen whatever, the first like five to ten games
Speaker 3: are just sight unseen. Pick who you think is going
Speaker 3: to win, and then put the most points on those games.
Speaker 3: Be a little bit more discriminate, okay, Like yeah, like
Speaker 3: just pick and choose. I would say your first four
Speaker 3: or five games the ones that the most points should
Speaker 3: be in the first week of bowl season doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be the first day, like I said in the past,
Speaker 3: because there are a couple here as I'll go through
Speaker 3: that I had a hard time with. But first week
Speaker 3: is where you want to I think, load up on
Speaker 3: your points, don't save it all for the end. Okay, yep.
Speaker 2: Also continue continue second.
Speaker 3: Rule, and you alluded to this. You want to pick
Speaker 3: the teams that care. Yeah, and this has always been
Speaker 3: the key to confidence pools to bowl pools.
Speaker 2: Really you think care?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean coaches who leave prior to bowl games have
Speaker 3: always played a factor. We've always had to consider that.
Speaker 3: But there are more variables now, and you mentioned it.
Speaker 3: You've got the opt outs, You've got transfers.
Speaker 2: It is not easy.
Speaker 3: It is harder than ever to figure out truly which
Speaker 3: teams give a damn. And so I have my own
Speaker 3: little process here that I've invented to consider which teams
Speaker 3: care to figure out which team's care by considering a
Speaker 3: couple different factors.
Speaker 2: First off, if a.
Speaker 3: Team played like crap down the stretch, don't pick them.
Speaker 3: So like Oklahoma State, I'm not picking Oklahoma State. Oklahoma
Speaker 3: State's playing Wisconsin. Wisconsin has also not had a great season,
Speaker 3: obviously fired its coach, but Oklahoma State has looked terrible.
Speaker 3: Their quarterback is also transferring, which I can talk about
Speaker 3: here in a little bit. Yeah, they were one of
Speaker 3: the pack it up packet in teams. Don't pick Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3: So first and foremost, if you come across a team
Speaker 3: that played poorly down the stretch, don't pick them.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: Secondly, maybe a team didn't play like crap, but if
Speaker 3: they're about to be decimated with injuries, with opt outs,
Speaker 3: with transfers, that means a lot of new faces. Like
Speaker 3: you said, you got red shirts starting all of a
Speaker 3: sudden getting snapped. A lot can go wrong in that scenario, Dan,
Speaker 3: So maybe don't pick that team.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Texas is a good example. Texas is losing Jean Robinson
Speaker 3: and Roshawn Johnson in addition to Demarvian overshown from the defense. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: you've got Washington and Michael Pennick junior who could have
Speaker 3: left but didn't. And on top of it, said I'm
Speaker 3: playing the bowl game, all right, good indication, maybe you
Speaker 3: should take Washington. I'm going to be taking Washington.
Speaker 2: Galvanizes the locker room, right. Pennick's coming back. You know
Speaker 2: you have this surprise first year winning. They went ten
Speaker 2: and two.
Speaker 3: Right, one two, ten and two. I don't have the sound,
Speaker 3: but yeah, tend to a good season by any stretch.
Speaker 3: For Kaalen de Bore absolutely next and then the third
Speaker 3: and final factor. Again, consider them in this very specific order.
Speaker 3: If a team lost its coach, consider picking against them.
Speaker 3: Now I used to say pick against them sight unseen.
Speaker 3: I have backed off that because I don't think it
Speaker 3: means as much as I thought in the past. I
Speaker 3: think it's less important than the last month of the season.
Speaker 3: Let's look at the last month of the season. Let's
Speaker 3: see who cares and who doesn't. But also can see
Speaker 3: you have to consider if teams lost its coach. We
Speaker 3: have seen teams do just fine with an interim, and
Speaker 3: that's why I think I tend to look at this
Speaker 3: last So like the Sincy Louisville game is very interesting
Speaker 3: to me on a number of different levels. It's ridiculous
Speaker 3: because both teams lost coaches, but Louisville is getting crushed
Speaker 3: in addition with opt outs with transfers and all that.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to probably pick Cincinnati, but consider the
Speaker 3: coach thing. Just not as much as maybe I have
Speaker 3: in years past.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I just did for you, ty please?
Speaker 2: I came up with an acronym for your system. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's the care acronym c oh period A, period R
Speaker 2: period E. Cause that's it' that's your system, right, It's
Speaker 2: who cares? Right is who is the one caring the most?
Speaker 2: See for crap, don't pick them, don't pick them, don't
Speaker 2: pick crap. Don't pick crap. A about to be a
Speaker 2: new team decimated by opt outs, injuries and coach losses
Speaker 2: are real scary picking interim coaches and e for end
Speaker 2: of year finish.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's pretty good, right, you didn't. You went a
Speaker 3: little bit out of order, but you got all the
Speaker 3: main components.
Speaker 2: I literally went in the order that you went in.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I just was typing as you were talking.
Speaker 2: I was a stenographer. You're very good at completely made
Speaker 2: up system. You're very good at this, yeah, craft. So
Speaker 2: that is my rule, the care rubric, if you will. Yeah,
Speaker 2: is how I go about determining this. And I tried
Speaker 2: to apply it as best I could. I'm sure I
Speaker 2: missed a few, but Dan and I have picked all
Speaker 2: of our games. We have put the confidence points on.
Speaker 3: Each and we are going to do a zoom through.
Speaker 3: We're going to try and highlight players that have opted out,
Speaker 3: coaches that have left, key injuries, things that you need
Speaker 3: to know. This is a developing story in that there
Speaker 3: will be names that decide to opt out after we
Speaker 3: record this. But we're doing this about as close to
Speaker 3: December the sixteenth as we can, giving you all a
Speaker 3: chance to listen to this, hopefully to guide your picks
Speaker 3: in some way, shape or form correct. Shall we dive in,
Speaker 3: Let's do it. We're gonna go quick. We're gonna go quick.
Speaker 2: Let's zoom.
Speaker 3: The hometown lenders. Bahamas Bowl is the first one. They
Speaker 3: play it on Friday, December the sixteenth, eleven thirty am.
Speaker 3: It's an early spot on ESPN. It's Miami, Ohio. It
Speaker 3: is uab uab is favored by eleven points for Miami.
Speaker 3: Interesting scenario here. This is Miami, Ohio. By the way,
Speaker 3: just for those of you playing along at home wondering
Speaker 3: Miami what Bowl game? It's the other one up north.
Speaker 3: Brett Gabbert he entered the portal and then opted to return,
Speaker 3: So I don't know if he's playing, but he's back
Speaker 3: he's not going to go in the portal after all.
Speaker 3: UAB favored by eleven. I am all in on UAB here.
Speaker 3: I think they're the better team, and true to form,
Speaker 3: I am putting all of my points, not all my points,
Speaker 3: but the most amount of points allowable, forty three points
Speaker 3: on UAB. Right out of the shoot, you.
Speaker 2: Think Trent Dilfer is going He's going to be in
Speaker 2: the Bahamas.
Speaker 3: I mean probably there will be a booth shot with
Speaker 3: him wearing some sort of Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 2: Do you have in your notes how the cloud of
Speaker 2: FTX and Sam Bankman freed hanging over the Bahamas is
Speaker 2: going to affect the outcome of this game? They picked.
Speaker 3: That's he's flying on cone Air over to the states Man. True,
Speaker 3: he's on Connie's He's like on the front seat there.
Speaker 2: I have UAB because I like picking against mac teams.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so we agree.
Speaker 2: We agree.
Speaker 3: Also on Friday the sixteenth, the Deluthe Trading Cure Bowl
Speaker 3: between UTSA and Troy, Troy favored by about one point.
Speaker 3: They play this one in Orlando at three pm. Again
Speaker 3: on Friday the sixteenth, Troy favor by one point. Dan,
Speaker 3: mm hmm. This is one of those early games that
Speaker 3: I was not confident in at all. I really like UTSA.
Speaker 3: I also really like Troy in the defense, but I
Speaker 3: tend to have more confidence in a guy like Big
Speaker 3: Frank Harris and UTSA and where they've been over the
Speaker 3: last two years or so. So I've got eight points
Speaker 3: on UTSA I have.
Speaker 2: I haven't given us specific numbers for all of these games,
Speaker 2: but I am taking Troy. I'm going with the defense here.
Speaker 2: UTSA just loses their offensive coordinator, so that falls under
Speaker 2: your ker rubric Willstein to Oregon, and so I'm rolling
Speaker 2: with the defense. I don't really count on the Troy
Speaker 2: offense all that much, but here's what Troy does. Trojans
Speaker 2: win games, and UTSA obviously as well. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going with my rubric here and rolling with.
Speaker 3: The d Saturday, December the seventeenth, The Wasabi Fenway Bull.
Speaker 3: You a fan of Wasabi?
Speaker 2: I think this is a company named was Sabi, not
Speaker 2: sponsored by the Spicy Route.
Speaker 3: It is not sponsored by the Japanese horse Radish no right,
Speaker 3: but this was Sabi is a cloud storage company for
Speaker 3: those of you wondering. This game is between Cincinnati and Louisville.
Speaker 3: They play it in Fenway Park eleven am, Saturday, December
Speaker 3: the seventeenth. A couple things of note. Cincinnati lost Luke Fickel,
Speaker 3: he went to Wisconsin. Also, they've got a tight end
Speaker 3: and Trey Tucker who also opted out, so they won't
Speaker 3: be playing. But on the Louisville side, and this is
Speaker 3: what I alluded to earlier, they lose Scott Saderfield, who's
Speaker 3: going to Cincinnati. Not awkward at all. I'm sure Malik
Speaker 3: Cunningham opt out. K Trell Clark, the cornerback, entered the draft.
Speaker 3: He has opted out. Tyon Evans and Tyler Hudson running
Speaker 3: back receiver also not expected to play for the Cardinals,
Speaker 3: So I understand why this is a pick them. But
Speaker 3: I'm going Cincinnati here. Nine confidence points, nine confidence points.
Speaker 3: Not overly confident here, but I feel pretty good about Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going Cincinnati here as well, both defense. I
Speaker 2: know they're down their quarterback as well to injury their
Speaker 2: starting quarterback, but I'm going with defense here. In a
Speaker 2: I think this is more of a Caer Rubric thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that the number of players that Louisville is missing, obviously
Speaker 2: losing their head coach. Yeah, I'm going with Cincinnati. Even
Speaker 2: though they lost their head coach, I still think there's
Speaker 2: a little more seasoning there on defense. So yeah, give
Speaker 2: me the Bearcats.
Speaker 3: The Cricket Celebration Bowl between Jackson State and North Carolina Central.
Speaker 3: They play this one at noon Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: This one got me last year, if memory serves, I
Speaker 3: remember going I think all in on Jackson State and
Speaker 3: they lost yes in the bowl game. So now we've
Speaker 3: got a scenario in which Deon Sanders has left. Where's
Speaker 3: Jackson State at dan?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. They probably have lost some players
Speaker 2: that are following Deon Sanders. I assume Travis Hunter is
Speaker 2: going to follow him. I obviously Deon Sanders' son, Deon
Speaker 2: Sanders already said like, yeah, he's your new starting quarterback,
Speaker 2: but he's gonna have to earn it. So I can't
Speaker 2: imagine things are great in Jackson for Jackson State right now.
Speaker 2: So I went back and forth. I'm going n C Central?
Speaker 2: Why not are you? Yeah? Okay, yeah, why not?
Speaker 3: I'm going Jackson State forty one points? Okay, I think
Speaker 3: they're the better team. Who's playing who knows the SRS distribution?
Speaker 3: Las Vegas Bowl. Got all that to mouth.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
Speaker 3: Florida against Oregon State. Oregon State favored by ten. They
Speaker 3: play it in Vegas, hence the name of the Las
Speaker 3: Vegas Bowl. Two thirty pm Eastern Time on ABC SRS.
Speaker 3: For those of you wondering, the fastest growing distributor of
Speaker 3: building products in the United States, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Oh good to know.
Speaker 3: I love what these companies write about themselves on their website.
Speaker 3: We can talk about that a little bit later on.
Speaker 3: Trust me, some notables here on the Florida side, Anthony
Speaker 3: Richardson gone going pro, opted out, Jack Miller the third
Speaker 3: getting his first start for the Gators at quarterback, Osirus.
Speaker 2: State transfer, I believe, Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Osirius Torrance and Ventrel Miller two big guns, right, Osiris
Speaker 3: Torreans on the offensive line, Ventra Miller on defense. They
Speaker 3: have declared for the drag if they're not playing. Justin
Speaker 3: Shorter receiver has declared and opted out. Gervin Dexter, the
Speaker 3: big defensive lineman, has declared for the draft. But it's
Speaker 3: going to play. Oh good, he's gonna play. And on
Speaker 3: the Oregon State side, you've got Damian Martinez, who is
Speaker 3: returning from injury and expected to play. But no opt outs.
Speaker 2: I'm running back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least not at time of recording. No coaching movement,
Speaker 3: nothing like that. Oregon State favored by ten. I'm all
Speaker 3: in an Oregon state here. I'm all in an Oregon state.
Speaker 3: Thirty seven points for the Beaves.
Speaker 2: I am completely in on Oregon State as well. I
Speaker 2: think the defensive advantage that they're ascending in Florida doesn't
Speaker 2: fit your caer rubric all that well because of the
Speaker 2: opt outs, because of the motivation to be there. I think,
Speaker 2: and here's a nice tie in term tie. He just
Speaker 2: talked about Tyon Evans, but there's a tie in with
Speaker 2: building services supplies, whatever you say, SRS. I think Oregon State,
Speaker 2: and this is a tie into the Beavers as well.
Speaker 2: I think they're laying the lumber here, tie. I think
Speaker 2: they're going to lay the lumber on the gators in US. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be I'm a Beaver believer in this context.
Speaker 3: The Jimmy Kimmel La Bowl presented by Stefel Steffel Sti
Speaker 3: f El.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a global wealth.
Speaker 3: Management and investment company kind of a letdown with a
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Bit of a letdown. We got Washington State, we got
Speaker 3: Fresno State. Fresno favored by three points here. They play
Speaker 3: this one in Sofi Stadium three point thirty pm Eastern
Speaker 3: Time again Saturday of the seventeenth. Wazoo lost their defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator to Asu, Brian Ward and wide receivers Donovan Ali,
Speaker 3: Jean Striblin, Trevion Brown, Francisco Maui GOA. I probably botched that.
Speaker 2: That's OK.
Speaker 3: Guys entering the portal also Dayan Henley, their first team
Speaker 3: All Pac twelve linebacker, and Renard Bell won't play in
Speaker 3: this game. Will be down Cale Sanders, who entered the
Speaker 3: portal the defensive back but otherwise intact played well one
Speaker 3: the Mountain West down the stretch. They are favored by three.
Speaker 3: I'm not overly confident in this one, but I do
Speaker 3: like Fresno here. I like fourteen confidence points.
Speaker 2: I like Fresno a medium amount as well, just because
Speaker 2: of what's returning on that offense. I don't love the
Speaker 2: Fresno defense, but the fact that they finished strong. So
Speaker 2: there's the e and your care end of year. So
Speaker 2: they finished strong they win the Mountain West. I'm good
Speaker 2: with Fresno here. If they were playing straight up in
Speaker 2: the middle of the year, I'd probably take Wazoo. But
Speaker 2: given the losses, especially Brian Ward, I think, and also
Speaker 2: the element of Fresno having players looking to pop one
Speaker 2: last time on a bigger stage than normal ahead of
Speaker 2: the draft. Yes, I'm with the dogs here.
Speaker 3: Lending Tree Bowl Rice versus Southern Miss. Southern Miss favored
Speaker 3: by six and a half points. They play this one
Speaker 3: Inmobile at Hancock Whitney Stadium, Whitney Stadium, excuse me. In
Speaker 3: the evening on again, December the seventeenth, Rice waiting to
Speaker 3: hear what the status will be of Luke McCaffrey, who's
Speaker 3: still playing and is a receiver for Rice. It's true
Speaker 3: missed the last two games of the season, so we'll
Speaker 3: find out more on him as we get a little
Speaker 3: bit closer. Also a bit of uncertainty about who's playing
Speaker 3: quarterback for the Owls, with Wiley Green and TJ. McMahon
Speaker 3: uncertain for the bowl game. I don't have a huge
Speaker 3: opinion here one way or the other. I do believe
Speaker 3: in looking at the numbers, that Southern Miss is the
Speaker 3: better team. They're favored by a touchdown. Let's go Southern
Speaker 3: Miss forty confidence points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going Southern Miss. A really good pass rush
Speaker 2: and so I'm going with the defense. The Rice uncertainty
Speaker 2: shouldn't class over the fact that Rice doesn't make bowl
Speaker 2: games no, and they made a bowl game no. So
Speaker 2: that is very very close. So in terms of motivation excitement,
Speaker 2: it seems like it lies with the owls. But I'm
Speaker 2: going with the defense in Southern Miss here.
Speaker 3: The New Mexico Bowl that I don't believe is sponsored
Speaker 3: by Guilden anymore.
Speaker 2: Ah too bad.
Speaker 3: SMU a one and a half point favorite against BYU
Speaker 3: the Battle of the Acronyms here at University Stadium at
Speaker 3: seven thirty pm Eastern time. SMU will be without Rashi Rice.
Speaker 3: There's a big name wide out who is not going
Speaker 3: to play due to a toe injury. But he had
Speaker 3: thirteen hundred yards ten touchdowns. He's a big deal, big
Speaker 3: deal to lose him. On the BYU side, we had
Speaker 3: Jaren Hall who got hurt at the end of the
Speaker 3: regular season. He's expected to play in this one. It's
Speaker 3: important to note that his backup just for depth purposes,
Speaker 3: Jacob Conover transferred, I believe to Arizona State. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: so Jaren Hall is nicked up and unable to play,
Speaker 3: could be could be a problem here at quarterback for BYU.
Speaker 3: Also there, linebacker Keenan Peeley entered the portal. He was
Speaker 3: their second leading tackler. Sorry did you say key and
Speaker 3: peel Keenan Peeley? Oh okay, Sorry, it hurt it incorrectly.
Speaker 2: I'm going BYU here, and I hate that I am,
Speaker 2: But the Rashi Rice thing scares me. B YU may
Speaker 2: have the worst pass rush in America just by the
Speaker 2: underlying numbers, and that's worries some. But the fact that
Speaker 2: they struggled the way that they did, basically through the
Speaker 2: meaty part of their schedule, but regathered themselves, which is
Speaker 2: pretty rare to win like they did near the end
Speaker 2: of the year. They beat Boise, did they not? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I'm going BYU here because SMU did not
Speaker 2: feel the great defense themselves this year at times. I
Speaker 2: won't BYU here. I'm going I'm going with the Cougars
Speaker 2: here because I think there is there there's a rebuy
Speaker 2: in happening, a rebuy.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go SMU fifteen confidence points not particularly high. Okay,
Speaker 3: Frisco boy, you mentioned Boise Boise State.
Speaker 4: I said, put the bunny back in the box. Like this.
Speaker 3: Boise States a Cameron po team. To me, I feel
Speaker 3: like I can trust him. I feel like I know
Speaker 3: what I've got on that plane. Ten point favorite in
Speaker 3: the Frisco Bowl over North Texas. North Texas just lost
Speaker 3: their coach, which you know, say.
Speaker 2: What you will.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like those of their coach. They got rid
Speaker 3: of their well, they got rid of their coach's it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a different coach, right, Yeah. Seth Latrell will
Speaker 3: not be out there at Toyota Stadium in Frisco at
Speaker 3: nine pm Eastern time again December the seventeenth.
Speaker 2: Boise.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what the deal is with Stephan Cobbs.
Speaker 3: He missed the last two games due to injury. Maybe
Speaker 3: he'll be back, maybe he won't. But even though Boise
Speaker 3: lost in the Mountain West Championship, they've played really, really
Speaker 3: well down the stretch, and I just feel like them
Speaker 3: playing against North Texas, even though the game's in Texas.
Speaker 3: They've been riding a bit of a hot streak. I
Speaker 3: feel very confident in the Broncos here, so give me
Speaker 3: forty two confidence points on Boise.
Speaker 2: I'm going Boise big as well for all the reasons
Speaker 2: you laid out, and yeah the rebuying that happened after
Speaker 2: like the first three weeks of the season. Even though
Speaker 2: they lose the Mountain West Championship game, I still think
Speaker 2: there's enough to like about Boise, and they get the
Speaker 2: defensive advantage to me as well.
Speaker 3: Let's continue the zoom through Monday, December nineteenth, Myrtle Beach
Speaker 3: Bowl Marshall minus ten Yukon into a bowl game. Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: that's a good story unto itself. They play this one
Speaker 3: Brooks Stadium, Conway, South Carolina. That's Coastal's home stadium. Dan,
Speaker 3: I'm a Marshall here with thirty six confidence points.
Speaker 2: I'm on Marshall big as well because of the defense,
Speaker 2: and I think there's buying as well, So I'm going
Speaker 2: with Marshall here. I think they fit the care more
Speaker 2: though Yukon feisty. I agree. I'm gonna roll with the defense.
Speaker 3: The next day, December the twentieth, the famous idahop p
Speaker 3: Tato Bowl Eastern Michigan versus San Jose State. San Jose
Speaker 3: State favored by three and a half points. I didn't
Speaker 3: really have a lean here, to be perfectly honest with you,
Speaker 3: they play this one in boise on the spurf turf.
Speaker 3: I've got ten confidence points on San Jose State. I
Speaker 3: feel like I know a little bit more about San
Speaker 3: Jose State, even though I'm not supremely confident at all.
Speaker 3: This could go either way.
Speaker 2: To me, I am going with UH with San Jose State,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more confident, just because I like
Speaker 2: to pick against the mac.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: Also, the Hawkins packout is a very good burger stand
Speaker 2: in Boisettle if you're going to this game. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The roof Claimed hot com Bowl is what they say
Speaker 3: in their website. We handle your roof replacement from start
Speaker 3: to finish, something for you, as a new homeowner might
Speaker 3: want to add to your rolodex.
Speaker 2: That's true. You never know, have you had roofing issues
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 3: Not yet?
Speaker 2: Not yet, knock on wood.
Speaker 3: I should probably not say this too loudly.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I could have done that move where you know, the
Speaker 3: roof guys come around after the big storm and offer
Speaker 3: replace your room and charge it back to insurance. I
Speaker 3: didn't do that I felt guilty about it because my
Speaker 3: roof seemed okay, all right, everybody around me got a
Speaker 3: new roof.
Speaker 2: We didn't damn okay.
Speaker 3: And I don't think solid. Wife Kate was too happy
Speaker 3: that I decided to kind of stick to my scruples there.
Speaker 2: But all right, your own personal cyrus the virus continue.
Speaker 3: We've got Liberty, We've got Toledo. Toledo favored by five points.
Speaker 3: They play this one in Boca Ratone. Hugh Freeze left
Speaker 3: for Auburn on the Liberty side. Also a mod Walker
Speaker 3: and Dre Butler, both on defense, entered the portal. I
Speaker 3: like Toledo. I like Toledo in the championship game a
Speaker 3: couple weeks ago, and we talked about that. They won
Speaker 3: that game. They are favored by five here. I'm still
Speaker 3: a little questionable when it comes to Toledo on offense,
Speaker 3: but I do believe in this team a little bit
Speaker 3: more than I should. So let's go Rockets. Toledo's sixteen
Speaker 3: confidence points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of my reasons point to Toledo, except for
Speaker 2: picking MAC teams. Let's go Liberty here.
Speaker 3: Wow, you're really sticking to your guns that much. I
Speaker 3: am the RNL carriers New Orleans Bowl Descember the twenty first,
Speaker 3: Western Kentucky, South Alabama. South Alabama favored by seven and
Speaker 3: a half points. They played this one the super Dome,
Speaker 3: so it's a nice spot for both these teams. I've
Speaker 3: said before that this is a matchup that I'm very
Speaker 3: interested in.
Speaker 1: That's William Bedford akaa Billy Bedlam.
Speaker 3: I think this game could be fun as hell.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 3: I think this game could be fun as hell. So
Speaker 3: on the western side, we had Austin Reid the quarterback,
Speaker 3: enter the portal. I believe we saw that he might
Speaker 3: be headed to Louisville, though I haven't seen that confirmed,
Speaker 3: which means that we're gonna have Darius Ocean or Caden
Speaker 3: Veilt Kemp Vilt Comms starting a quarterback. They have a
Speaker 3: combined sixteen passes this year for Western Kentucky. Also Joshua Simon.
Speaker 3: They've got starting offensive linemen Ricky Stats and Gunner Britain
Speaker 3: who are transferring as well, So a lot of turnover
Speaker 3: on the western side. South Alabama's been pretty good. They
Speaker 3: play a good brand defense. Both teams are questionable when
Speaker 3: it comes to offense on some level, at least in
Speaker 3: terms of the sp plus. But I like South Alabama
Speaker 3: and the defense more than anything in this matchup, and
Speaker 3: I think they will be motivated. So I've got thirty
Speaker 3: eight on the Jags.
Speaker 2: It's not right to look at one single data point
Speaker 2: of a game to make a decision like this when
Speaker 2: there are so many variables. But Jaguars South Alabama were
Speaker 2: like a gusta wind away from beating UCLA. Were they
Speaker 2: not correct?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: I'm going South Alabama for defense and for all the
Speaker 2: changes ones that you mentioned Austin Reid here, So yeah,
Speaker 2: give me the Jaguars to finish with an incredibly impressive season. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And to be clear, when I say questionable on offense,
Speaker 3: Western Kentucky was fine on offense throughout the course of
Speaker 3: the year, but losing the quarterback, that's totally That's where
Speaker 3: the question marks I think come into play. So I
Speaker 3: am going to go South Alabama. Thursday twenty second Armed
Speaker 3: Forces Bowl. Baylor Air Force play this one at Fort Worth,
Speaker 3: Aman G Carter Sadium or TCU plays. Baylor fired Ron
Speaker 3: Roberts defensive coordinator. Also Devin Neil safety is transferring. But
Speaker 3: they're favored by six and a half points. Here. This
Speaker 3: is a game where I would not want to bet
Speaker 3: Baylor minus the points because of the way that air
Speaker 3: Force plays football. They take the air out of the ball,
Speaker 3: they run the crap out of the ball. I could
Speaker 3: see this one actually being close. But I do believe
Speaker 3: Baylor will prevail. I think Baylor is the better team.
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't want to touch this one with respect
Speaker 3: to the points, Brett, So let's go Bear's seventeen confidence points.
Speaker 2: I kind of love air Force here, like medium high
Speaker 2: confidence like air Force. Really, I think it's a bad
Speaker 2: matchup for Baylor. Why for the reasons you laid out,
Speaker 2: I mean defense and running the ball. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like Baylor's defense going up against air Force
Speaker 2: on the ground and the way Baylor has struggled at
Speaker 2: times to be creative and be downfield this year on offense.
Speaker 2: With air Force's very specific strengths on defense, I'm going
Speaker 2: falcons here. I don't trust Baylor. Do you really trust
Speaker 2: Baylor to win win a game against a good team?
Speaker 3: I don't. And the other thing that I would add
Speaker 3: is that air Force is pretty good on defense.
Speaker 2: No, no, they're full on good on very good. They
Speaker 2: lost their defensive coordinator before the year and they continued it,
Speaker 2: and I there's something that's been very consistently good. Now,
Speaker 2: they're not going to generate the big plays, but they
Speaker 2: don't try to do that. On offense. They have a
Speaker 2: top ten sp plus defense. They prevent big plays, they're
Speaker 2: they're efficient against regular plays. Whatever.
Speaker 3: So hold on, whooo is they tackle super well? Is
Speaker 3: air Force one of your Cyrus the Virus upset teams?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Is Cyrus Christom aka Cyrus the Virus.
Speaker 2: And how do you not roll with a team named
Speaker 2: air Force when we're doing a con air preview. That's
Speaker 2: not a bad You're going against the spirit of our game.
Speaker 3: I am, I am. I'm gonna stick with Baylor. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stick to my guns.
Speaker 2: Ago bails agree.
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Speaker 3: it's Louisiana, It's Houston. Houston favored by six and a
Speaker 3: half points. Louisiana there without their quarterback for most of
Speaker 3: the season, be Wooldridge, who was hurt in mid November.
Speaker 3: Chandler Field, who you may recalls the original starter of
Speaker 3: the season. He is going to get the nod here.
Speaker 3: He played the last two games on the Houston side.
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Dell declared for the draft, but will play any
Speaker 3: bank whenever you've got that scenario. And there are a
Speaker 3: couple more here that we're going to talk about the
Speaker 3: star players who are going pro, but the side they're
Speaker 3: playing any way, that indicates effort, that indicates care belief.
Speaker 3: Give me Houston thirty nine points.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Houston. Maybe not that many, but medium high. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I'm wing Houston as well.
Speaker 3: Union Home Mortgage Gaspareable, Wake Forest, Missouri. We've got Wake
Speaker 3: favored by one point. They play this one in Tampa.
Speaker 3: On the Wake side, Christian Turner, the second leading rusher,
Speaker 3: is transferring. Also Gavin Holmes, the other Gavin Holmes defensive
Speaker 3: back transferring as well. For Missoo, they lose Dominica love
Speaker 3: It who is transferring. Also, three key defenders in Isaiah Maguire,
Speaker 3: DJ Coleman and Martes Manuel have opted out because they
Speaker 3: are going pro so in terms of teams that care.
Speaker 3: Even though there is turnover on the Missoo side, Maszoo
Speaker 3: had to fight and scrape and claw to get into
Speaker 3: this bowl game at all. They beat Arkansas, I believe, yeah,
Speaker 3: by speak of the season in order to get into
Speaker 3: this thing. So I think it means something to them
Speaker 3: that they got to this game. Wake Forest petered out
Speaker 3: a little bit down the stretch. I'm going Missoo eighteen
Speaker 3: to Miszoo as well. Yeah, I'm into Brady Cook. I'll
Speaker 3: say it one more time. I'm into Brady Cook. I
Speaker 3: Missoo's record was like fourteen seconds away from being very different,
Speaker 3: and so the fact that they finished the season the
Speaker 3: way that they did against Arkansas, even losing the guys
Speaker 3: they lost on defense, this was a more Havocy team
Speaker 3: than they've been.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Miszoo.
Speaker 3: All right, We've made it to Christmas Eve. We got
Speaker 3: to continue this zoom through Baby Place. We got to
Speaker 3: zoom through Hawaii Bowl. Middle Tennessee State, San Diego State.
Speaker 3: San Diego State favored by seven Dan Easy Posts. The
Speaker 3: smarter shipping solution For those wondering, I'm on the Aztecs
Speaker 3: here nineteen confidence points.
Speaker 2: I'm on San Diego State as well. Middle Tennessee is
Speaker 2: a duct tape team exclusively beating cupcakes.
Speaker 3: Quick Lane Bowl on the day after Christmas. New Mexico
Speaker 3: State Bowling Green. Bowling Green, the Falcons, favored by two
Speaker 3: and a half points, plays one at Ford Field. I
Speaker 3: don't really have a lean. I'm going with the favorite
Speaker 3: eleven confidence points. Gimme Bowling Green, have fun. I pick
Speaker 3: against the Mac New Mexico State for me. Tuesday, December
Speaker 3: the twenty seventh, Georgia Southern three and a half points
Speaker 3: the Favorite, squaring off against Buffalo. They played this one
Speaker 3: at the Crampton Bowl in Montgomery, Alabama. Buffalo is going
Speaker 3: to be without Ron Cook Junior and Alja Henderson. Both
Speaker 3: guys did not play in the regular season finale. Georgia
Speaker 3: Southern for me, Georgia Southern.
Speaker 2: For me, give me Clay Elton and Georgia Southern. I
Speaker 2: pick against MAC teams.
Speaker 3: First Responder Bowl, Memphis minus seven squaring off against Utah State.
Speaker 3: They play this game in Dallas. I'm on Memphis twenty
Speaker 3: one confidence points.
Speaker 2: I'm on Memphis as well. Utah State strikes me as
Speaker 2: a duct tape team, So I'm will in Memphis. They
Speaker 2: don't have huge wins, but they were competitive against the
Speaker 2: best teams that they faced, and that is not necessarily
Speaker 2: what you can say about Utah State. So I'm going
Speaker 2: in Memphis.
Speaker 3: Here tickets Smarter Birmingham Bowl. Coastal Carolina against East Carol.
Speaker 3: The Battle of the Carolina is. We've got the Pirates
Speaker 3: favored by ten and a half points. Dan okay. On
Speaker 3: the coastal side, there's been some turnover. In case you
Speaker 3: are unaware, Jamie Chadwell left for Liberty. They're starting center
Speaker 3: and a first team all Sun belter, and Willie Lampkin
Speaker 3: is in the portal. Jasiah Stewart, Manny Stokes, Zikwan Reeves
Speaker 3: are all transferring. In addition to now Grayson McCall, who
Speaker 3: has announced as of yesterday today is the thirteenth excuse
Speaker 3: me that he is also entering the transfer portal. So
Speaker 3: a lot going on on the coastal side, not a
Speaker 3: lot of reason to really feel good about them. ECU
Speaker 3: does have a couple guys in the portal as well,
Speaker 3: but I feel like in totality, just too much turnover
Speaker 3: on the coastal side too much bet.
Speaker 1: That's William Bedford ak Billy Betham.
Speaker 2: Gonna go East Carolina, and I may have if Grace
Speaker 2: McCall was playing, just because the coastal defense is that bad.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to ECU because I think there's be
Speaker 2: able to light up the coastal secondary guaranteed rate boll
Speaker 2: Wisconsin minus three against Oklahoma State. I'm twenty three points
Speaker 2: on Wisconsin despite the fact that there is a lot
Speaker 2: of turnover, so listen to this thing. Wisconsin loses Graham Mertz,
Speaker 2: which means that Chase Wolf or Miles Burkett is going
Speaker 2: to get the start at quarterback. They're also going to
Speaker 2: be without Joe Tipman their center, Keanu Benton, their defensive lineman,
Speaker 2: and Jay Shaw their cornerback. Nathan Herbig declared for the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft. They've got an interim coach and Jim Leonard
Speaker 2: who will stay on for the bowl.
Speaker 3: Game but won't be retained as the full time coach.
Speaker 3: A lot to consider on that side. Meanwhile, Oklahoma State
Speaker 3: played like crap down the stretch. As we eluded at
Speaker 3: the top of the show. They also are going to
Speaker 3: be without Spencer Sanders, who has entered the porter, which
Speaker 3: means Gunner Gundy or Garrett Wrangell under center. They're going
Speaker 3: to lose their linebacker Mason Cobb. They're running back Dominic
Speaker 3: richardson their n Trace Ford in their safety Thomas Harper
Speaker 3: the transfer.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 3: Give me Wisconsin twenty three confidence points. This is going
Speaker 3: to be a terrible game to watch.
Speaker 2: With Wisconsin as well. It's just things don't seem great
Speaker 2: and still water at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Dan, can I pick against them? Continue? It is UCF.
Speaker 3: It is Duke. Duke's favored by one. Dan no notables
Speaker 3: on the Duke's side. The UCF is going to be
Speaker 3: with without Mikey Keene there there saw that for a
Speaker 3: moment in time, backup slash starting quarterback. He entered the portal.
Speaker 3: I o'keef their top receiver, their top linebacker, Jeremiah Jean
Speaker 3: Baptiste is in the portal in addition to Devonte Brown,
Speaker 3: so a couple key contributors on the UCS side we're
Speaker 3: going to be out. And John Rice Plumbley has been
Speaker 3: dealing with a hammy and a shoulder throughout the last
Speaker 3: part of the season, so who knows his status. I
Speaker 3: presume he'll be healthy. But going up against a Duke
Speaker 3: team that gets to a bowl had a good eight
Speaker 3: and four a season, give me the Blue Devils twenty
Speaker 3: four confidence points.
Speaker 2: I'm going with Duke here as well. And by the way,
Speaker 2: you mentioning mikey Keen entering the portal is just a
Speaker 2: reminder to me of how many quarterbacks are in the portal,
Speaker 2: that we're entering this sort of task rabbitization yea of
Speaker 2: quarterback play. We're like, look, I got a job, you
Speaker 2: have some abilities. How much is it going to cost us?
Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. So, mikey Keen, if
Speaker 2: you want to play quarterback for US, Louisville or cal
Speaker 2: Poly whatever, I'm in on Duke.
Speaker 3: Here, the AutoZone Liberty will getting the zone Dan please,
Speaker 3: and let's talk Kansas. Let's talk Arkansas. Arkansas favored by three.
Speaker 3: This is a Cyrus game.
Speaker 5: For name is Cyrus grissin.
Speaker 3: Gimme Kansas thirty three confidence points? What I'm going in
Speaker 3: on the Jayhawks? Baby? They care?
Speaker 2: You know they care.
Speaker 3: When was Kansas in a bowl game last It's been
Speaker 3: so long I don't even have it here on my sheet,
Speaker 3: So we know they care.
Speaker 2: The Arkansas.
Speaker 3: They look the dog's going nuts downstairs. Yeah, arkansaw maybe
Speaker 3: got itself together down the stretch. Okay, But defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: Baryotam leaves for UNLV. They're linebacker Drew Sanders, who was
Speaker 3: a first team All Secer. Their center Ricky Stromberg, whose
Speaker 3: first team All at SEC opted out. They're preparing for
Speaker 3: the NFL draft. Bumper Pool is also out the linebacker
Speaker 3: due to injury. Defensive back Miles Slusher and receivers Jayden
Speaker 3: Hazelwood as well as key Tron Jackson have entered the portal.
Speaker 3: So there is turnover on offense, there's turnover on defense,
Speaker 3: and they're playing against a team that und addedly cares
Speaker 3: more about this bowl game getting the zone. Thirty three points?
Speaker 3: Give me the Jayhawks.
Speaker 2: How did Kansas finish the season out? I'm here to
Speaker 2: talk about the future. Well, I'm talking about Caring, right,
Speaker 2: and that isn't that the e It is the e
Speaker 2: Ian Caring is end of year finish. They lose six
Speaker 2: of their final seven, though they do beat Oklahoma State
Speaker 2: thirty seven to sixteen comfortably. So there's your pick against
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State there. But yeah, they lose by fifteen to
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. They lose by quick math here forty one
Speaker 2: to Texas and twenty to Kansas State. Obviously away from home,
Speaker 2: kind of a different team. I'm going with Arkansas as
Speaker 2: kJ Jefferson is there, I hate it, but I'm going
Speaker 2: kJ Jefferson.
Speaker 3: The Holiday Ball is your Oregon Ducks is North Carolina
Speaker 3: play it at Petco Park where the Pets go in
Speaker 3: San Diego.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: An interesting matchup here, Oh, on a couple different levels.
Speaker 3: Kenny Dillingham left, the offensive coordinator for Oregon, left to
Speaker 3: go to ASU. Justin Flow Dante Thornton are transferring on
Speaker 3: the Oregon side. Christian Gonzales declared for the NFL and
Speaker 3: opted out the cornerback. Yes, on the un they're arguably
Speaker 3: best defensive player. Yeah, the best defensive player. Neither one
Speaker 3: of these team is very good on defense. But I
Speaker 3: do think the UNC side is more problematic. Right, we
Speaker 3: had Phil Longo left the post of offensive coordinator for Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: He's taken that jobs. Josh Downs has opted out declared
Speaker 3: for the draft their best receiver. We have Keyshawn Silver,
Speaker 3: Tony Grimes, and Storm Duck. On the defensive side, speaking
Speaker 3: of good defenders that are entering the portal, they're all gone,
Speaker 3: not playing.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if they're good, but they're the
Speaker 2: best defensive backs in North Carolina. Has yeah, Oregon favored
Speaker 2: by fourteen.
Speaker 3: I think for good measure, they're my cameras put the
Speaker 3: bunny back and I just trust him. I trust Oregon's offense.
Speaker 3: I trust Dan Lanning. Here, they're a fourteen point favorite.
Speaker 3: I think for good reas twenty nine confidence points in
Speaker 3: the Ducks.
Speaker 2: So okay, the only reason to pick against Oregon, or
Speaker 2: if you are going to pick against Oregon and you
Speaker 2: believe in North Carolina, you should pick against Oregon. More
Speaker 2: reasons to pick against Oregon. You've mentioned Christian Zalez. I
Speaker 2: haven't heard anything. I don't know the situation of Noah Sule.
Speaker 2: I anticipate he is going to enter the draft. I've
Speaker 2: noid if he's gonna opt out of this game. Same
Speaker 2: goes for Brandon Dorriles their best defensive lineman. No clue
Speaker 2: they've been decimated, but it's been a lot of backups
Speaker 2: in rotation guys, not a lot of star power that's
Speaker 2: been lost to the portal for Oregon. Is this the
Speaker 2: best quarterback matchup of bull season? It might be, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going through I mean, the other one would be
Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett and c J. Stroud, I suppose. But in
Speaker 2: terms of pure excellence at quarterback, bo Nick's season and
Speaker 2: the majority of Drake May's season with no defense, isn't
Speaker 2: me should be a very, very fun shootout of a game.
Speaker 2: I'm going with Oregon here because I can at least
Speaker 2: see how with additional time they're defense could get a
Speaker 2: couple of stops, considering the way that Drake May finish
Speaker 2: the season sort of up and down fashion as a freshman.
Speaker 2: So I'm going with Boon Nicks, who has already announced
Speaker 2: that he's playing in this game. So whether or not
Speaker 2: he's leaving for the draft I yet to be seen
Speaker 2: at the time we're recording this. But if that's part
Speaker 2: of your care thing, Oregon did not finish the season
Speaker 2: in strong fashion, losing to Washington and Oregon State, but
Speaker 2: bon Knicks deciding to come back and still having the
Speaker 2: firepower at running back, receiver and tight end and obviously
Speaker 2: offensive line that they do. A healthy bon Nicks is
Speaker 2: to me the best player in this game.
Speaker 3: You know, they may not have finished the season as
Speaker 3: strongly however, however, take a look at UNC. UNC not
Speaker 3: only is losing a bunch in terms of defenders what
Speaker 3: remained of the defense, but also losing the best receiver.
Speaker 3: And also we talked about it at length throughout the
Speaker 3: course of the season, throughout the latter half of the season,
Speaker 3: throughout November. Hmm, seemed like teams figured out in North
Speaker 3: Carolina a little bit to some extent. So I take
Speaker 3: your point on Oregon, but it doesn't phaze me, especially
Speaker 3: since I think Caroline is in a worse spot there.
Speaker 3: It is Texas Bowl. We got Texas Tech, we got
Speaker 3: Old Miss, Old Miss favored by three and a half points, Dan,
Speaker 3: I want Old Miss twenty six points.
Speaker 2: Look the way Old Miss finished the season, was it
Speaker 2: not one of our Atlanta Hall of Fame inductees. Lane
Speaker 2: Kiffin's first twenty nine quarters wasn't a great back half
Speaker 2: after those twenty nine quarters, Texas Tech defense quietly pretty good,
Speaker 2: certainly improved over where they were last year with Tim
Speaker 2: de Ruder. I'm going with Tech here.
Speaker 3: I don't hate it. I don't hate it. The Cyrus
Speaker 3: that's my chaos, Yeah, Cyrus christ A. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of an upset game.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I don't hate it, but I'm gonna go old miss
Speaker 3: I like him on the ground.
Speaker 2: Love it all right.
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Speaker 3: Okay for Syracuse. Robert and I left four NC State
Speaker 3: from Minnesota. Tanner Morgan missed the last three games of
Speaker 3: the season due to injury. It's unclear if he's going
Speaker 3: to play in this one. Okay, we also have defenders
Speaker 3: Braillen Oliver and safety Michael Dixon entrying the portal. Minnesota
Speaker 3: favored by seven and a half points. Speaking of finishing
Speaker 3: the season with a bit of a whimper, there's Syracuse
Speaker 3: now started off great, got their qualification to get to
Speaker 3: a bowl game, and then just sort of like cruised
Speaker 3: through the remaining seven weeks of the season. Minnesota, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't trust in Minnesota at all. However,
Speaker 3: I trust them in this game. I like their chances
Speaker 3: here in this game. Twenty five points.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Syracuse. Games are fun because you
Speaker 2: can look at the team Syracuse is playing and ask yourself,
Speaker 2: can they run the ball with any degree of comp evidence? Yes,
Speaker 2: I am taking them. And now Syracuse is without Tony White,
Speaker 2: their defensive Courtney, who I still think is really good.
Speaker 2: I just don't think they have, you know, a competent
Speaker 2: defensive front to stop the run. And now again we
Speaker 2: were him. So Tony White gone, Syracuse being able to
Speaker 2: be run on that combination gimme Minnesota with a good
Speaker 2: amount of confidence.
Speaker 4: Cheese It Bowl.
Speaker 3: We got Florida State in this one, right, yes, Oklahoma
Speaker 3: Florida State at Florida State.
Speaker 4: Said put the bunny back.
Speaker 3: Another team with integrity that I trust going into bowl season.
Speaker 3: They're favored by seven and a half points in this
Speaker 3: cheese At Bowl they played in Orlando. Oklahoma is without
Speaker 3: starting tackles Anton Henderson, Juanya Morris, Jalen Redman, and running
Speaker 3: back Eric Gray. These are names that have opted out
Speaker 3: to prepare for the draft. Also, Theowese, the receiver only
Speaker 3: had nineteen catches this year. But it's just a note
Speaker 3: that he's entering the portal. Meanwhile, he's committed he's going
Speaker 3: to Miszoo. That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: While on the Florida State side, we have Jammy Robinson
Speaker 3: and Jared Verse, two NFL prospects, who said, if it
Speaker 3: we're playing the cheese At Bowl. Oh yeah, If that
Speaker 3: doesn't signify effort and c are, I don't know what
Speaker 3: does Florida State thirty confidence points?
Speaker 2: Cheese it or Goldfish? Where do you stand?
Speaker 3: Goldfish?
Speaker 2: I am a goldfish guy, yes, or goldfish guy? My
Speaker 2: goldfish guy. I'm going Florida State here. It's another similar question.
Speaker 2: Can the team run? Yes, they have a very good
Speaker 2: shot of beating Oklahoma. So I'm going with Trey Benson
Speaker 2: and the Knoles.
Speaker 3: Here, Valero almobole, Texas minus five and a half, Washington,
Speaker 3: the Huskies coming in there at a mark of ten
Speaker 3: and two. I am on Washington. I allude to this earlier.
Speaker 3: I don't have a high degree of confidence. I might
Speaker 3: bump this up right now, just thirteen confidence points because
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix is the guy, right, Michael Pennix, he didn't
Speaker 3: have to come back, he is elected to, didn't have
Speaker 3: to play. He's going to do so anyway. So Michael
Speaker 3: Pennis playing Washington, I think with a lot to play
Speaker 3: for here. Meanwhile, Texas gonna be without Jean Robinson, Roshawn Johnson,
Speaker 3: Demarvi and over shown all those guys opting out of
Speaker 3: the Alma Bowle.
Speaker 2: I am gonna go with Washington as well here. Even
Speaker 2: though I like Texas and the steps they took forward
Speaker 2: on defense, I think they're going to struggle just into
Speaker 2: sometimes on offense, sometimes on defense. I think Washington's is
Speaker 2: just gonna have more juice that fits under your care.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I'm going with you, dub.
Speaker 3: All right, December thirty, if we got Duke's Mayo Bowl
Speaker 3: Maryland NC State. NC State is a one and a
Speaker 3: half point dog. Listen to this crap. Okay, okay, listen,
Speaker 3: listen to this freaking game. We've got Maryland who will
Speaker 3: be without Jacob Copeland and Dante Dimas, two wide receivers.
Speaker 3: Also Deontay Banks, the cornerback, declared for the draft and
Speaker 3: opted out. We've got Ahmad McCullough entering the portal. He
Speaker 3: had forty five tackles for the Terrapins this season. And
Speaker 3: then on the NC State side, it's unclear who's playing quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's not Devin Leary's.
Speaker 3: Devin Leary, we know that, but it could be MJ. Morris,
Speaker 3: could be Ben Finley. We've got starting center Grant Gibson
Speaker 3: out with injury. Tim Beck, who we mentioned earlier, left
Speaker 3: his post as offensive coordinator. Pretty got the head coach
Speaker 3: at Coastal, Kurt Roper, remember him. He's going to be
Speaker 3: calling the plays so good in this game.
Speaker 2: So a bit of a bit of a Bedlam.
Speaker 1: That's William Bedford aka Billy Bendlam.
Speaker 3: A little bit of Billy Bedlam here.
Speaker 2: I think total toss up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, think of on NC State twelve confidence points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still I'm stilling on NC State because the
Speaker 2: best thing in this game, I still think is the
Speaker 2: front on that defense. So I'm going with NC State.
Speaker 3: Here, Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl Pitt They're back in
Speaker 3: the sun Bowl. Of course, great things are not happy
Speaker 3: in Pitts and the sun Ball, but they're back. Necessarily,
Speaker 3: Ucla also in the Sun Bowl. Play this one two pm,
Speaker 3: CBS sun Bowl Stadium, Friday, December the thirtieth. Uh, Elijah
Speaker 3: can Sy in this game due to injury. Keaton Slovis transferred.
Speaker 3: He's in portal Gonzo. Nick Patty Nate Yarnell are going
Speaker 3: to be playing quarterback here against UCLA. I like Ucla
Speaker 3: a lot in this game.
Speaker 2: I like Ucla a good deal. It's the final opportunity
Speaker 2: for DTR too. Wow. NFL scouts Zach Charboney should be
Speaker 2: pretty good. Even though Pitt's defense is pretty good, I
Speaker 2: just don't think it's going to be able to consistently
Speaker 2: move the ball. So I'm going with UCLA here. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's you said, Tony the Tiger, Tony the Tiger. Sunball
Speaker 2: Yet is frosted Flakes? Your number one frosted.
Speaker 3: Cereal probably frosted mini weeds.
Speaker 2: Would I'm right there with you. I have him right
Speaker 2: there with you, all right?
Speaker 3: Uh we agree? Tax Slayer Gator Bowl Notre Dame minus
Speaker 3: two squaring off against South Carolina. Michael mayor Isaiah Foski
Speaker 3: opted out, declared for the draft through Pine transferring. Looks
Speaker 3: like Tyler Buckner is going to get the nod.
Speaker 2: I saw that he's been practicing right.
Speaker 3: Back from the dead. Yeah, so a little bit of
Speaker 3: Tyler Buckner, a little bit of Evangeli, but it will
Speaker 3: definitely be a different look at quarterback for the Irish.
Speaker 3: On the South Carolina side, Marcus sadder Field the offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator excuse me left for since Nebraska not Cincinnati, too
Speaker 3: many coaches moving and shaken Jaheim Bell Austin Stagner at
Speaker 3: tight end have transferred out. Spencer Rattler will play in
Speaker 3: the bowl game. I'm on Notre Dame here. I like
Speaker 3: Notre Dame deal in this matchup. I think this could
Speaker 3: be a fun game. But I think they're better and
Speaker 3: despite the fact that South Carolina really finished the season strong,
Speaker 3: I do think that Buckner coming back in perhaps with
Speaker 3: a bit of a different game plan, they might open
Speaker 3: it up a little bit more because I think it
Speaker 3: gives them more through the passing game. I just think
Speaker 3: it might be a different look for Notre Dame. They
Speaker 3: still can run the ball, the offensive line is still intact.
Speaker 3: It hurts the nut of Michael Mahyer, but I'm interested
Speaker 3: to see if they can utilize some of those down
Speaker 3: field weapons and playoff of the running game. They should
Speaker 3: be able to run against South Carolina, which is I
Speaker 3: think probably the biggest reason why I like him here.
Speaker 2: Man South Carolina down both Jahim Bell and Marshaun Lloyd.
Speaker 2: Who opted out or not opted out? Who is transferring
Speaker 2: right right? See transferring or opting out?
Speaker 3: I believe transferring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's scary. But I also watched Notre Dames offense
Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks, and that's also scary in
Speaker 2: its own way. I'm going South Carolina here, Notre Dame
Speaker 2: offense without its literal only weapon. I like estimate. Is
Speaker 2: that his name Audrick Estime? Yeah, he's good too, But
Speaker 2: without Michael Mayer. I'm going to South Carolina here. I
Speaker 2: don't know why. I just the way that they're playing
Speaker 2: for Shane Beemer, the way that they played in the
Speaker 2: Bowl last year against North Carolina in that upset, getting
Speaker 2: Mayo dumped on him. I'm in on South Carolina here,
Speaker 2: and I'm not fully sure why. I'm just in on him.
Speaker 3: The Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl, it's Ohio, It's Wyoming. Get
Speaker 3: of this for Wyoming. Wyoming's team that likes to run
Speaker 3: the ball. They're without Titus Swen and Joey Brash, two
Speaker 3: running backs who are transferring, so they're super thin there.
Speaker 3: Dwayne McNeely and d Q James are going to miss
Speaker 3: the game due to injury as well at running back.
Speaker 3: Their leading receiver Joshua Cobbs, their defensive end whose name
Speaker 3: I cannot say, okay, and cornerbacks Keyante Glinton and Cam
Speaker 3: Stone are all transferring. They are going to be without
Speaker 3: a lot of key contributors. Ohio, by the way, still
Speaker 3: going to be without Curtis Rourke, who's out for the season. CJ.
Speaker 3: Harris is going to be the guy. So I'm not
Speaker 3: going to play the sound again. A lot of bedlam
Speaker 3: potential here for this game. I think it could be
Speaker 3: borderline unwatchable. But I'm going to go Bobcats and I'm
Speaker 3: going to go thirty two confidence points because Wyoming has
Speaker 3: to deal with all sorts of issues at running back.
Speaker 2: Ah don't care. Ohio's in the mac give me, give
Speaker 2: me Wyoming and the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: That brings us to some of the new your six games. Yes,
Speaker 3: Capitol One Orange Bowl Tennessee Clemson. Clemson favored by six
Speaker 3: and a half points to play this one Hard Rocks
Speaker 3: Staium in Miami Gardens. Unclear if Jalen Hyde or Cedric
Speaker 3: Tilman are going to play on the Tennessee side.
Speaker 2: Tilman's not playing. Tilman is not.
Speaker 3: Playing, thank you. Clemson is going to be playing kid
Speaker 3: Clubnick because DJU is in the portal. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that makes them any better or worse, but worth noting.
Speaker 3: I am on Clemson. Here twenty eight confidence points for
Speaker 3: me on Clemson. I do not have confidence in a
Speaker 3: Tennessee team not being led by Hindon Hooker. So I
Speaker 3: think Tennessee's been the better team for most of the season.
Speaker 3: The fact that they have this injury now to their
Speaker 3: best player on offense is very problematic to me. And
Speaker 3: I think Clemson will play hard because you've got the
Speaker 3: new quarterback, You've got guys that I think are going
Speaker 3: to want to show out. I don't think Clemson feels
Speaker 3: good about the way the season ended. I'm on Clemson here.
Speaker 3: I think they've got a lot to play for Tennessee.
Speaker 2: When Rolling this year was my favorite show in college football.
Speaker 2: When rolling, you look at some of the Kentucky game,
Speaker 2: in the Alabama game without Hendon Hooker and with this defense,
Speaker 2: and the way the season ended, well think they destroyed Bandy.
Speaker 2: I understand that I'm on Clemson here. I'm going club
Speaker 2: level and defense.
Speaker 3: New Year's Eve, We've got the trans Perfect Music City Bowl.
Speaker 3: This is absolutely a Billy Bedlam game. That's William Bedford
Speaker 3: AKA absolutely listen to this crap. It's Iowa, it's Kentucky
Speaker 3: for Iowa. Spencer Petris is hurt. Alex Padilla is transferring,
Speaker 3: which means the third stringer, Joey labis Labass zero pass attempts.
Speaker 3: He's going to be your starter. Also, Keegan Johnson the receiver, transferring,
Speaker 3: Justin Jacobs the big linebacker transferring, Gavin Williams another another
Speaker 3: running back transferring. Out On the Kentucky side, they fired
Speaker 3: their offensive coordinator. Will Levis and Christopher Rodriguez have both
Speaker 3: declared for the NFL. And have opted out. Do not
Speaker 3: expect offense in.
Speaker 2: This Liam Cohen back though, right coming back. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's going back for this game, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he spent some time with the Rams. Was like, I'm
Speaker 2: going back to college.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess Kentucky, I guess I don't. This
Speaker 3: is going to be a very low scoring game. It's
Speaker 3: going to be ugly. Hide your eyes. The best thing
Speaker 3: I can say about this game is thankfully it's while
Speaker 3: you're drinking and not after the hangover. I'm a say,
Speaker 3: Kentucky three confidence points, no confidence.
Speaker 2: I'm going Iowa defense. I'm going Spencer Petris wasn't very
Speaker 2: good this year. Alex Padia definitely wasn't very good this year.
Speaker 2: You mentioned justin Jacob's transferring. He got hurt like second
Speaker 2: week of the year. He hasn't played this year, but
Speaker 2: very good and Oregon fans I think have high hopes
Speaker 2: for him as somebody entering a linebacking core that needs
Speaker 2: a lot of help. Yes, what was Just give me
Speaker 2: the name one more time of the presumed third or
Speaker 2: fourth string or whoever's going to start at quarterback.
Speaker 3: Joey Labas Labas.
Speaker 2: Labbis Labis Labbis Labis. All I can tell you is
Speaker 2: somebody across this sport, probably at quarterback, is going to
Speaker 2: fall under the category of we had this guy the
Speaker 2: whole time, and he's way better than who we had playing.
Speaker 2: And I'm for whatever reason, there's something that strikes me
Speaker 2: about a random Iowa quarterback being pretty decent once in
Speaker 2: this game, and I'm going with that. I'm going with the.
Speaker 3: Hotkeys, the Joey Labbis. Yeah, potential for a Lebottomy here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there's gonna be labor.
Speaker 3: I don't know all stage Sugar Bowl, Alabama a three
Speaker 3: point favorite against K State. I play this one the Superdome,
Speaker 3: New Orleans noon Eastern New Year's Eve. Al Alabama has
Speaker 3: some names here, some names that we need to mention
Speaker 3: Jojo Earl, Treyshawn Holden, the receivers. Also Javian Cohen, defensive
Speaker 3: guard in the portal. I have not heard word on
Speaker 3: Bryce Young or Will Anderson. I can't imagine they're playing
Speaker 3: in this game. Right on the K State side, Malik
Speaker 3: Knowles and cornerback ekup Boy do or injured. Did I
Speaker 3: say that wrong?
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but you said it slowly and
Speaker 2: very specifically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could have been very quickly injured in the
Speaker 3: Big twelve game, but it looks like they're going to
Speaker 3: be playing in the ball game. I'm on k State here,
Speaker 3: I'm on K State too. Two confidence points, two confidence points. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't put any any confidence points in these games.
Speaker 2: But Alabama away from home against a Kansas State team.
Speaker 2: This is is this one of the biggest three five
Speaker 2: Kansas State games ever in the modern era.
Speaker 3: Has to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a New Year six game against Alabama. Absolutely, give me,
Speaker 2: give me here.
Speaker 3: Let me know how to say the cornerbacks name. I
Speaker 3: screwed that up. That's a Globe Tomato situation. But no, no,
Speaker 3: you're my apologies. All right, two semifinal games here, we're
Speaker 3: coming down the stretch. We've only got six more games.
Speaker 2: Let's do all right, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Semifinal the Fiesta Ball. It's Michigan. It's TCU again. New
Speaker 3: Year's Eve, four pm ESPN. Blake Korum done for the
Speaker 3: season with a knee injury, but otherwise anybody who can
Speaker 3: play will play. It's a semifinal. Yes, Michigan favored by
Speaker 3: seven points against TCU, So you're picking a winner here.
Speaker 3: You're not picking against the spread. We will obviously break
Speaker 3: this game down a little bit more detail as we
Speaker 3: get closer to it. But are you on Michigan or
Speaker 3: you on TCU?
Speaker 2: Head says Michigan. Heart says TCU. I am going Michigan
Speaker 2: because of defense, and I don't love JJ McCarthy in
Speaker 2: this spot, but I'm still going with Michigan here and
Speaker 2: Donovan Edwards being healthier with the defense, with the ability
Speaker 2: to adjust. We saw kind of close at halftime against
Speaker 2: Purdue and then just second half, Michigan is too strong
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seven confidence points Michigan for me. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 3: Chick fil A Peach Bowl second semi final, it's Georgia
Speaker 3: minus six and a half. It is Ohio State second
Speaker 3: semi final match APM. On the Ohio State side, Jackson
Speaker 3: Smith and Jigman not gonna play, is done for the year. Also,
Speaker 3: the injury status is a bit uncertain for Trey Henderson
Speaker 3: and my and Williams on the Ohio State side. Again,
Speaker 3: if they can play, they will. On the Georgia side,
Speaker 3: Lad McConkie got hurt in that SEC title game, as
Speaker 3: did Warren McClendon, their offensive lineman so unclear on their
Speaker 3: status again for the playoff game. I'm one are.
Speaker 2: Getting healthier at receiver though as well, they are getting healthy.
Speaker 3: I'm on Georgia here six confidence points.
Speaker 2: I'm on Georgia as well. We'll talk about this game
Speaker 2: more as we get closer to it. But Georgia is
Speaker 2: not unbeatable. But they're unbeatable if you don't have your
Speaker 2: act fully together by this point of the season. And
Speaker 2: I don't believe Ohio State to be a team given,
Speaker 2: you know, relative to their own talent and relative to
Speaker 2: their own expectations. I don't think they have their act
Speaker 2: fully together. So I'm going.
Speaker 3: Georgia Monday, January second, four games here to close this
Speaker 3: out in the relya Quest Bowl. It's Mississippi State and
Speaker 3: it's Illinois. So yeah, don't know if this game will happen.
Speaker 3: Don't know what you're here to talk about. It feels
Speaker 3: extremely weird to talk about. I do not know the
Speaker 3: status of this game. If this game goes off, if
Speaker 3: Zach Arnett does lead this team right against Illinois, we
Speaker 3: have to go to Mississippi State. We have to go
Speaker 3: Mississippi State. We have to root for Mississippi State here,
Speaker 3: given all that they're going through the extenuity circumstances. It's
Speaker 3: a horrible spot for any coach, for any any group
Speaker 3: of players to be in. And that extends to the
Speaker 3: Illinois side as well, of course. But I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: root for Missippi State if this game happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine there will be some sort of internal
Speaker 2: vote and decision and conversation about playing in this game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna pick it. It just feels yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Mississippi State moving forward, given we will
Speaker 2: rule in Mississippi State circumstances. But yeah, it feels odd
Speaker 2: and who knows.
Speaker 3: Cheez it Citrus Bole the second of two cheese It
Speaker 3: sponsored games. Yes, LSU minus eleven and a half against
Speaker 3: Purdue for LSU Kaishaan Boody coming back hey and will
Speaker 3: play in this game. The status of Jayden Daniels is
Speaker 3: unclear after his ankle injury in the SEC game, so
Speaker 3: we might see Garrett Usmeyer will find out. B j
Speaker 3: Ojlauri is entering the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: Smart on the LC Sorry.
Speaker 3: On the Purdue side, we obviously had a coaching change.
Speaker 3: Brian Brahm is the interim coach.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: There is another. I'm on LSU here I I am
Speaker 3: thirty five points.
Speaker 2: I'm on LSU as well.
Speaker 3: Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic. We have USC, we have Tulane.
Speaker 3: I'm on USC thirty four confidence points.
Speaker 2: I am on Tulane because I don't know if Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5: Is Cyrus Grissom aka Cyrus.
Speaker 2: The Liners absolutely.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I just don't trust kaya Williams is hamstring, And I
Speaker 2: am ready for if Kayleb Williams does not play. This
Speaker 2: is just I have no information. If Kayleb Williams does
Speaker 2: not play, and Miller Moss looks incredible versus an American defense,
Speaker 2: American Conference defense, I am ready for someone me to
Speaker 2: have the take because if you're a true takesman, it
Speaker 2: takes person. If you will tell yeah, it takes me.
Speaker 2: It's so good to say this player's great. But are
Speaker 2: they even the best player in the blank.
Speaker 3: Up better than the starter? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is Caleb Williams even the best player on his own team?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: That answer is yes. The answer is yes. The answer
Speaker 2: is for resounding yes. But if Miller Moss is randomly
Speaker 2: eighteen for twenty two for three hundred and eighty four,
Speaker 2: yards and four touchdowns against Tulane. I will I will
Speaker 2: put on my shoes one at a time, I will
Speaker 2: pull up my pants one leg at a time, and
Speaker 2: I will ask that question on the show the next
Speaker 2: time we air USC.
Speaker 3: Thirty four points for me. Although I do like Michael
Speaker 3: Pratt a lot, I like Tulane. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go USC. But okay, there's a reason that
Speaker 3: US is only favored by a point and a half
Speaker 3: in this game.
Speaker 2: I agree, hamstrings don't heal like ever Ty, you should
Speaker 2: know that by now.
Speaker 3: Final game, Rose Bowl say the best for last, Utah
Speaker 3: three point favorite over Penn State. Parker Washington for Penn State,
Speaker 3: he was hurt. He opted for the NFL draft, Joey
Speaker 3: Pula also opting out for the NFL Draft. On the
Speaker 3: Utah side, tav And is done for the year. Dalton
Speaker 3: Kincaid also done for the year out injured. So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go Penn State here, like I'm biased, right, I
Speaker 3: have to do that, but Penn State five confidence points
Speaker 3: to close this thing out.
Speaker 2: I'm going Penn State as well. I'm going with the
Speaker 2: Penn State defense and Utah losing their clear best playmaker
Speaker 2: on offense. Although I don't have his name in front
Speaker 2: of me. They had like a third string running back
Speaker 2: this year. I'll pull it up or you can pull
Speaker 2: it up. Who absolutely shined the back half of the year,
Speaker 2: and I think this might be a coming out party
Speaker 2: for him. The problem is the Penn State defense is
Speaker 2: very good. Yeah. What was Jaquindin Jackson?
Speaker 3: Quintin Jackson, Yeah, I'm just looking at it.
Speaker 2: Was very good in sort of spot duty for Utah,
Speaker 2: and I think he kind of shined in the USC
Speaker 2: game at the end of the year, Pechtel Championship game.
Speaker 2: So that's something to watch in terms of the next
Speaker 2: steps for Utah's offense. But I'm willing Penn State here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like Penn State. I think just with Sean Clifford
Speaker 2: playing what should be his last game.
Speaker 3: Barring anything, I expect it to be. Yeah, math Air
Speaker 3: on my part, I believe that he will play really
Speaker 3: well in his in his swan song, let's say in
Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2: Do you know there's another extra nugget on that topic, Ty,
Speaker 2: And then we can we can leave the fine people.
Speaker 2: Oregon may have an eighth year tight end next year
Speaker 2: because of a bunch of medical that medical excuse, I
Speaker 2: say research red shirts and the COVID extra year of eligibility.
Speaker 3: Does that means he messed twenty six?
Speaker 2: Something like that? He was. He was one of the
Speaker 2: three players Oregon had who unfortunately suffered from the the
Speaker 2: Rabdo incident. Under Willie Taggart's strength and conditioning staff. His
Speaker 2: name is Cam McCormick. Had a key catch against Ohio
Speaker 2: State and that win. Last season, he was one of
Speaker 2: their top two or three tight ends and they lost
Speaker 2: a tight end to the transfer portal. This year they
Speaker 2: might have I think he has the option. I think
Speaker 2: it has been approved an eighth year next year, which
Speaker 2: is two full generations. It's pretty great.
Speaker 3: With that being said, that is our confidence pool breakdown.
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm angry about, Ty, Because everything
Speaker 2: you said was completely true and correct and poignant. We
Speaker 2: didn't play our December to Remember song at all thus far.
Speaker 3: This month, Month is young, My friend.
Speaker 2: Month is young. All right.
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