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Speaker 1: Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Ravalry. No, no, sibling,

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Speaker 1: you don't do that with your mouth, revelry. That's good.

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Speaker 1: So in today's episode, we sit down with Zoe and

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Speaker 1: Maddy Deutsch. They were awesome. They were amazing. I mean

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Speaker 1: we said that about everyone. Imagine if we're like this

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Speaker 1: one's not that great, like we didn't really this one. No,

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Speaker 1: I know, we love everybody. I was just talking about

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Speaker 1: that today because we're going to go do this Ellen,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be so fun. But I was saying how

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Speaker 1: fun it is for us to do this because we're

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Speaker 1: literally interested more in people connections and like how everyone

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Speaker 1: at some point gets sucked up, you know, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter where you come from, what you do like, and

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Speaker 1: then out of that comes someone's you know, characteristics, and

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Speaker 1: then their dynamic as older siblings are and was Zoe

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Speaker 1: Maddie It was because they were they were very candid,

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Speaker 1: Yeah they were. It was really fun and they were

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Speaker 1: so cute, but they really they're very different, super different.

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Speaker 1: They're close in age, but very open with each other

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Speaker 1: and how they feel about each other, unafraid to sort

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Speaker 1: of say I don't like this about you, or this

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Speaker 1: is what I love about you. And they're still in it. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: they're They're still so young, they're still evolving. So Zoe,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and her career started and take off.

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Speaker 1: She's just so beautiful and so fun. And Maddie is

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Speaker 1: like much more in her head. So Howie Deutsche, their father,

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Speaker 1: directed a film that I was in and I worked

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Speaker 1: with Howie, so I know Howie pretty well. So it

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Speaker 1: was fun to hear the girls talk about their dad

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Speaker 1: from their perspective. I know him from a business perspective,

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Speaker 1: So that was. That was And of course their mommy

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Speaker 1: is Leah Thompson. Yeah, I mean, you know someone I

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Speaker 1: think if you're an eighties child, very well. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: just go watch Back to the Future. She was great

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Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars. Yes, anyway, this was fun.

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Speaker 1: It was really fun. It was really free and fun, energetic, yes,

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Speaker 1: super comfortable. The shoes were off, everyone was nestled into

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Speaker 1: the couches and chairs. It's very free, very fun. And

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Speaker 1: we'll end with this Zoe has a sweating problem. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: well no, we connected on that at the end of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. You guys had made you guy, but both

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Speaker 1: you and Zoe. Oh yeah, you guys were sweating your

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Speaker 1: asses off. It's an energetic thing. When you're a very

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Speaker 1: energetic person, you know, it's coming out everywhere, very expressive sweat. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Zoe has a new movie called Buffalo. It just came out.

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Speaker 1: This is really exciting. This is why we're airing this quickly.

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Speaker 1: We really just did them. But she produced this movie.

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Speaker 1: She's twenty five years old, you know. I think that

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Speaker 1: it says a lot about who she is as a

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Speaker 1: lover of film and what we have to come to

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Speaker 1: see in Zoe. I think she's going to be an

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Speaker 1: incredibly successful woman in this industry. Yeah, so this is

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Speaker 1: really exciting to be twenty five and to have accomplished

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Speaker 1: It was really cool. Well, I was a bit green

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Speaker 1: with envy when we were talking about the film that

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Speaker 1: they all together did as a family. I think green

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Speaker 1: is kind of your color. It is green with envy

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Speaker 1: just sort of films your whole life. I love green.

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Speaker 1: I just bought these green shoes green. I bought all

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Speaker 1: I do is buy you green for Christmas. I love green.

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Speaker 1: I bought you a green sweater. That's one of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: Do you still have it? I haven't you wear it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do. It's really I have everything in my mostly

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Speaker 1: Green and browns like yeah, like a khaki. I like

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Speaker 1: army green. Anyway, I was army green with envy because

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Speaker 1: they got to do a movie. They all did a

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Speaker 1: movie together with mom, dad and sisters. And how fun

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Speaker 1: is that. I want to do that at some point anyway.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, so here is Zoe and Maddie Deorch,

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Speaker 1: which they could have seen me enjoy. I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: so many things that you've done, but I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: any of the things done I have. I loved you

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Speaker 1: on Nashville that was my ship while I did. I

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Speaker 1: watch every episode. So I'm lying. I'm lying. But it's

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Speaker 1: funny because we're in the same situation where your parents

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Speaker 1: other's careers really, I mean meaning we don't watch each

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Speaker 1: Now we're not that investion Like we're invested, but we're

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Speaker 1: flippant about it, where in reality, I'm actually super proud

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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds silly, but I love that we

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Speaker 1: all my family, Like we all do the same thing

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Speaker 1: and we all can share experiences and talk to each

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Speaker 1: other and get advice and whatever. But I also have

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Speaker 1: it's also like I'm not supportive because I we don't

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Speaker 1: let's watch back to the future. But you have the

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Speaker 1: same thing that I have, which is that people would

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Speaker 1: look at you and immediately be like, oh, you're her daughter.

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Speaker 1: You know you don't have that because you look different.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh she just said you look different. No, No,

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Speaker 1: it is a it is a you have hit on

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Speaker 1: something really interesting, and you might be like one of

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Speaker 1: where like even casting directors will say it is Zoe, like,

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Speaker 1: you look just like her, which I'm sure when you

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Speaker 1: mom necessarily, but you you are, there's a you in body. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is a little bit of a weird thing because

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Speaker 1: tell it. Like they you know, they love your mom,

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, how do I how do I veeer

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Speaker 1: And then as you get older, you're sort of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it and our mom directed it. Means Zoe started it together,

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Speaker 1: Zoe produced it. At the time, we wanted to build

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Speaker 1: no one was really saying to our mom, who had

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Speaker 1: done a ton of directing a ton of episodic television.

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Speaker 1: No one was saying like, you should direct this movie.

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Speaker 1: And Zoe was really young at the time. No one

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Speaker 1: So it at the time it worked like a really

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Speaker 1: like everyone's been in the business so long, in doing

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Speaker 1: what's fun though? Now, as I said, we don't really

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Speaker 1: go to babies. When you guys were born, for so,

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Speaker 1: where were you born? Where did you grow up? Well,

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Speaker 1: the vally Matt he was first, right, yep, I'm you're

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Speaker 1: she named me. No, do you know how you were conceived?

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Speaker 1: I love that question. I never asked you that, and

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, but we know how Zoe was conceived.

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Speaker 1: I'm a natural disaster baby, are you. My mom was

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Speaker 1: And that was the last twenty eight years. No, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: think me and you have definitely passed the baton, and

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Speaker 1: It was just Maddie's sister. And Maddie was like a

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Speaker 1: of that is probably the no you are things, thanks

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Speaker 1: you are. I could list the ways, but I think

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Speaker 1: probably all of that and being a younger sibling is

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Speaker 1: like the impetus for why you have maybe found success

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426
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Speaker 1: you sing or do you write music? Both? And you?

427
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Speaker 1: I mean, so you're kind of she cooks, she designs. Yeah,

428
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: you're kind of. You've got your you know, you got

429
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Speaker 1: your hands in a lot of different areas. You wear

430
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Speaker 1: a lot of hats. Yeah, Zoe, you hit say the

431
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: only thing she didn't do was act, which is why

432
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: I did it when she went off to college. So

433
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: she goes off to college to sing, and I was like,

434
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: I'll act because that's all I can do because that's

435
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: the one thing she doesn't do. And then she comes

436
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: back from college and starts acting too. So when did

437
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: you start getting or like have the acting bug? Zowey,

438
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: I feel like my whole life, I think I I

439
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: similarly came out of the womb like like I was

440
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: like so literally like we visited one time. I set

441
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: that my debt like a was called The Replacements, and

442
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: I there was like yeah, and I was like I

443
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: begged the costume designer to make me a cheerleading outfit

444
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, maybe I have the costume I

445
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: could just sort of end up you have a little

446
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: kid who's be like a cheerleader with the like I

447
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: was just so I so wanted to do it. I was.

448
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: I just loved performing, I loved entertaining, I loved making

449
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: people laugh. Laugh was the best. I'm so grateful that

450
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: my father made me feel like my important Like it

451
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: was never specifically my dad like I would. I mean,

452
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: I think also there's bad things to this, but when

453
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: I when I would make him laugh, I felt like

454
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: the most interesting, special person in the world. Rather than

455
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: placing my value in my looks, which I think is

456
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: so often a thing if you are a pretty young

457
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: girl like that was never. I never felt like that

458
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: was where my value was played. I don't know. I

459
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a bit of a tangent, But anyway,

460
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: I would make people laugh and I would be so

461
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: like it would make me so happy. And then I

462
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: would make people cry, and I'd be like, oh, this

463
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: is also very powerful, manipulative scorpio shit. But uh yeah,

464
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was. There's nothing better than making

465
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: your family laugh. Making people laugh is like my number

466
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: one goal in life. I love it so much. Do

467
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: you excel at that? Well? But making Kate laugh is

468
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: like one of the great joys of my life. It

469
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: really really is. I know what you mean about going

470
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: and getting the costume designer to make you an outfit.

471
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: Like when my mom was shooting Wildcats. She had a

472
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: daughter in it that was a little bit older than me,

473
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: Brandy Brandy, and I was like, I was her standing.

474
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: I was like, anytime I was there, I'll just sit

475
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. I just needed to be

476
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: in it. I watched everything, I observed everything. It was

477
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: like my first trustick in a makeup trailer. My first

478
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: steps were on set. Like everything I grew up on

479
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: a set. It's where I feel cozy, It's where I

480
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: feel at home. It's what I love. But to the

481
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: point of like dressing the part, I only wanted to

482
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: do things that I was bad at because I'm bad

483
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: at everything, like tennis. If I could dress like a

484
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: tennis player, if I could play the part of a

485
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: tennis player, if I could like exist in that world

486
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: and assume that life of the tennis player, or like

487
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: you would like show up with like you know, the

488
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: headband and the arm, the little outphit, yes, but like

489
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: the oh no, I couldn't do it, but I was,

490
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: like I was there. It's genetic. I don't care what

491
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: anyone says. Like all of our grandparents worked in the arts,

492
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: Like our grandfather gave Buddy Holly his first music publishing contract.

493
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: Our grandma started Frank Sinatra's fan club and went on

494
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: the road with him when she was thirteen. Our other

495
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: grandma was a first female disc jockey in America. It's psychotic,

496
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: like ever' I really believe that it's genetic. This stuff

497
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: gets like passed down, and I think you have an inclination.

498
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: So I always find it weird when people think that

499
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent a choice to then go work

500
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: in the entertainment business like it's for me. It really

501
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: feels like it's just sort of part of you. I

502
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: don't know. I do think that there's validity to what

503
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: you're saying. When people always ask you, know, what would

504
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: you do if you weren't a performer or an actor

505
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: or I would? I have no answer, Like there's no

506
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: part of me that ever wanted to be a veterinarian

507
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: or like a lawyer or like a doctor. So much

508
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: school for all those things, but also fucking and also

509
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: though like you're you are. You're a musician as well,

510
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: and you're a dancer as well, and you're an actress

511
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: as well, Like you understand all those things are part

512
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: and parcel to one thing. They make you a better artist.

513
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: I also think it's really weird in this business when

514
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: people go like, but what are you and You're like,

515
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm a creative person. I don't know what to tell you.

516
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: I know I do all these different things and guess what,

517
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: I know they make me better, period, they make me better.

518
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like though, that you need to

519
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: focus on one to really sort of are you good?

520
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: Sort of spreading yourself thin with everything that you do?

521
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: Or do you even feel a lot? Because I'm a writer,

522
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: so when I write something, then I understand that all

523
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: the shit I ever was bad at or didn't do

524
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: great at all comes into play with that, because you know,

525
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: when I write something, then I know how I want

526
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: to direct it, and I know how I want to

527
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: score it. I know how I want to music soup it.

528
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: I know how I want to treat actors. I know. So,

529
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: But do you all find that when you write something

530
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: and then you give it to people to read and

531
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: you get feedback that a lot of the times you're like,

532
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: why did I ask for feedback? Family feedback is hard?

533
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Have you gotten annihilated ever where it's like, sorry, honey, this,

534
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: this is shit. I don't know what the fuck you're doing.

535
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: I think I know it's trash before they do, so

536
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: even if I send it to them, I'm like, I

537
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: know it's fucking trash. They're about to tell me it's

538
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: fucking trash. You ever like read something and had to

539
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: judge it and say she doesn't send it to me

540
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: or ask for my opinion, that's not our dynamic. She

541
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: doesn't need she does not need my validation in the

542
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: way that I need hers. I every movie have ever done,

543
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: or auditioned for, or anything, I've asked her, begged her

544
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: to read it, to watch my audition tape to help

545
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 1: me pick the outfit out that I'm gonna wear to

546
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: the audition or the self tape, what I nail color

547
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: FaceTime or at every fitting. I can't make a fucking

548
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: decision without this goddamn asshole, and she won't send me ship.

549
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Do you hold on? Do you in your own career? You?

550
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Speaker 1: I would love, I would love for you to do

551
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: you You are excited? They got it. I don't hold on, Joey,

552
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: but hold on, hold on, hold on, Zoe. Do you

553
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: feel like that you could offer insight? You know? Do

554
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: you think that if she gave? Absolutely, you don't know,

555
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: But do you feel I absolutely don't feel like I could. Well,

556
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: then the votalidation. Absolutely, But the argument that no argument,

557
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: just feeling. There is just feeling. There's no argument. That's right.

558
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: You just want to be I just want to pretend

559
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: for two seconds that maybe I'm wait a minute, wait

560
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: a minute, I think you might be selling yourself short.

561
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: That's at all you I have a pheisically part of

562
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: the neuroses that she took on from her father. She

563
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: clearly has some adults. I actually more like my dad.

564
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Look like my mom and my dad. Yeah. You know

565
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: what they say about like as an actor, that you're

566
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: only as good as the people that you're working with. Ry, Well,

567
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: you make my accent terrible, right, So the truth is

568
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: is that I have to think so hard. I have

569
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: to think so hard about my accent when I'm right.

570
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: But then let's do another accent because it's British bad,

571
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: making my head spin like at the top on Windsor Palace. No, no,

572
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00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: and then you're sitting around with your friends time just

637
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: drink it. Just take it from them, Fine, drink it.

638
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: But I will say this, you must celebrate responsibly. Okay, absolutely,

639
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: it's imperative. The Course Brewing Company, Golden Colorado. If you

640
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: girls were in siblings therapy, what would be the issues

641
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: you would tackle with each other? Child? I mean childhood

642
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: because that sets up for everything. Right, No, I wouldn't

643
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: think nowops, okay, I guess we need to go. But

644
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: like we're sitting down in a session and it's like, okay,

645
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: we're here, what what what are we talking about? Why

646
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: are we here for you girls? Why are we in therapy?

647
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: Go for it? She's looking at me like, can I

648
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: go for it? I'm really curious what your answer is

649
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: right now. No, I'm curious what your answer is right now.

650
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: But I feel like I always answer everything first. I

651
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: can't shut the fuck up? Why don't you answer? I

652
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: literally can't keep my mouth shuts character girls, girls, I'm therapist.

653
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: Why don't you go first? Because you're the oldest, okay,

654
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: mad I think I would say, I think we have

655
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: some dynamics maybe that are a little unhealthy, but like

656
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: baked in, and sometimes I feel like it's a cycle

657
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: we can't get out of, like what like? Sometimes like

658
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: what like? Sometimes I feel that we're either joined completely

659
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: at the hip and totally involved in each other's lives,

660
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and you know, like we'll be together on a trip

661
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: and when we're with each other non stop for two

662
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: weeks straight and blah bla blah, we're really tight and

663
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: we're working out our shit and blah blah, or we're

664
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: completely apart. We don't know what's going on with each other.

665
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sharing with you, you're not sharing with me,

666
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: And then when we do kind of try to bridge

667
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: the gap, it's it is like fraud, and I don't

668
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: know what that is. If I that would maybe be

669
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: the first thing I would say when I went into

670
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: a therapist is that it feels like it's zero or

671
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: one hundred, and when we try to get it to

672
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: the pendulum just swinging to the middle. It's like it's

673
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: tense and I don't know what that is. Yeah, Or like,

674
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: what about the other day when we were at lunch

675
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: and I was trying to tell and she thinks I

676
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: keep secrets from her, which is so not true, Like

677
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: I tell her everything, but I was whoa, I tell

678
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: you fucking everything. WHOA, I'm gonna call bullshit right there?

679
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: You keep it? What are all those memes you post

680
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: all the time on Instagram about scorpios keeping secrets from everyone?

681
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: But you No, that's not true. You do. There's plenty

682
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: of stuff you don't tell me. See, that's that's not true. Though.

683
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: We gotta go to therapy. I think I'm not telling you,

684
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you everything. We gotta go to therapy.

685
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm in a transitional time in my life where I

686
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: have I have been. I'm gonna I have said it before.

687
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm a very codependent person. I'm twenty five and I've

688
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: been in relationships, very long term relation romantic relationships, since

689
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: i was thirteen, and this is the first time in

690
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: my life, in my adult life, that I'm single. And

691
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: so there are again it's a very transitional time in

692
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: my life and I was filling in, mad about something,

693
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: and she sort of I felt like she put a

694
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: wall up, and I was trying to determine what it was.

695
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: And I think it was because she felt like I

696
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: hadn't updated her quick enough, like you felt like I

697
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: was keeping something from you. But it was the actual opposite.

698
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: I was trying to fill you in, but you were

699
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: mad that I hadn't done it earlier. But I was

700
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: like it just then, you know, I caught to you

701
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: the other day. There was that important life events, the

702
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: value who paid nice hold on? So what would you

703
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: gave yours? You gave yours? What about what about Zoe yours?

704
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: For Maddie? Like you're in therapy? What would be the

705
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: thing that that that I well partially understand why she

706
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: thinks that I'm I don't know why she thinks that

707
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm keeping things from her because I'm not, and I

708
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: it sounds like a matter of trust and sort of

709
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: level of how you guys hold each other in importance. Wait,

710
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: but you have that with me too, like what you

711
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: said ten minutes ago when you like, you don't send

712
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: me stuff to read. So there it's sort of like

713
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: there's content that you think I don't want to share

714
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: with you, and there's content I think you don't want

715
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: to share with me, And maybe it's not the same content,

716
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: but there is like a weird thing where we both

717
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: think we're withholding with each other. Do you trust your

718
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: sister with information about your life very much? And do

719
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: you don't trust trust that she won't judge it? But

720
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: I do trust that she won't tell other people? And

721
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: do you trust her point of view on things like?

722
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: Do you would you want her advice? I think it's

723
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: actually the same thing I do. I do trust that

724
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: you'll hold space for it, but I don't trust that

725
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: you won't judge it. I think that's you hit the

726
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: nail on the head. It iss So what happens? Why

727
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: isn't that okay? So what happens that she does? Because

728
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to take a gander here. My

729
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: therapist would probably be proud of me for this. I

730
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: think I'm very proud of you. Possibly thank you so much, Oliver.

731
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: I think it's possible that you and I both share

732
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: this similar thing that it's like if the other person disapproves,

733
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: we must change it, or if the other person person

734
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: disapproves it must be wrong or I must adjust. So

735
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: you don't trust yourself, is what you're I mean, I

736
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: have huge trust issues with myself. I think you too,

737
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: like so if she But we hold each other's opinion

738
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: very high regard, so we feel like the other person's judging.

739
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: Then it's like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shad oshit

740
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: am I supposed to change this? Okay? So then okay,

741
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: so now oh shit, oh shit, she feels this way.

742
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: What do you do? It doesn't call her? I what's

743
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: the what? Sometimes I think at that point, that's the

744
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: point where we isolate from each other a little bit. Okay,

745
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: why I'm not sure this is the cycle that I'm

746
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: talking about, right that we get Okay, so you are

747
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: sure it's there, there is a reason for it. But

748
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I think that when the things are happening, and I'm

749
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: going to probably cut all this out really because it's

750
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, I mean, well because it say that.

751
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: So here's what I think. I think that what you

752
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: said we're gonna when you said we're gonna c no,

753
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: dear sister, the thing is is that your impulse, you're

754
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: already assuming something that isn't happening. Yes, and and you're

755
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: not allowing yourself an opportunity to understand what it is

756
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: that you're really feeling in terms of what would happen

757
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: if your sister didn't approve and vice versa. It seems

758
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: like from what you're saying, it's like, well, you're going

759
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: if and when, I'll just isolate myself. Like so in

760
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: your mind, you're already creating. You're creating the pattern. So

761
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: the question is it's not about what how you're going

762
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: to receive it, but how are you going to change

763
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: that experience? We're both alpha, and it's very rare for

764
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: like two siblings that there's two siblings for them both

765
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: to be just to both be big personalities like that,

766
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: and you guys are too. Am I wrong about you? Guys?

767
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: Both seem like I'm probably more alpha than all. No, no no, no,

768
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: no no, I think we're alpha in different arenas, right,

769
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: But that's what it is. I always say, I always

770
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: say about us, And I get the feeling you just

771
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: sharing space and being the same room with you guys.

772
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: Me and Zoe are sort of worthy adversaries. I get

773
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: the feeling you guys probably have that as well, Like

774
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: one person does not kind of play second fiddle to

775
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: the other. This makes it complicated when you are both

776
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: super strong that way, and I talk about that with you,

777
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I think it. I don't think it makes things easier.

778
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: There's an anxiety attached to when we disagree or disapprove

779
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: of one another. I think like it makes you anxious

780
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: if you think that I disagree or disapprove. For me,

781
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: it makes me anxious if I think, but we disagree

782
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: about all all the time. Is that why I'm so anxious?

783
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: I think so. Thanks for the phrase out, don't you out?

784
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: Everything's better now? Don't you think there's an anxiety behind it?

785
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: There's an anxiety behind everything in my everything I am.

786
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent walking talking anxiety too. We're

787
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: both really racked with anxiety. What you want to know

788
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: how anxious I am them bragging about anxious? I am

789
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: more anxious than you. I came out of the womb

790
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: with this thing called fainting baby disorder with you, where

791
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: I would hold my breath and make myself pass out

792
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: when I felt anxious or uncomfortable, and how traumatizing for

793
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: my mother. But I was But I had the same thing,

794
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: but the opposite. I would throw temper tantrums, so we

795
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: had different outlets. I genuinely do think that, not just

796
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: because it sounds like something I should say, but because

797
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: I genuinely feel this way and always have that. My

798
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: anxiety has always been my greatest motivator and the thing

799
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803
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,880
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804
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,600
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805
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,680
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806
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,560
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807
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808
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809
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Speaker 1: don't walk. We kind of went off on this tangent.

863
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: We're like you right off the bat wanted to be

864
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: an actress clearly. When do you remember when you were like, oh, yeah,

865
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. I don't think I

866
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: have that moment where you know, I read often so

867
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: often like these very earnest interviews of people I admire

868
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: being like I watched that Catherine Hepburn movie and I said,

869
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: that's me. I want to do that, you know, like

870
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: I love Katherine Hepburn, of course great greatest actress of

871
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: all time, but it was it was it was I.

872
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: I would play Barbie's and I would cry when Barbie

873
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: was down on her luck and the jeep would break

874
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: down and Ken just had a Ken cup and no penis.

875
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: Now I know I really did. I always always wanted

876
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: to do it. But that being said, my grandmother, who

877
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: I think is like the was my bison always will

878
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: be like my greatest inspiration, my like my hero. She

879
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: was an amazing artist. And she would always say to

880
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: me she was kind of woo woo and kind of

881
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: whack and lived in Montana and painted all slept all

882
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: day and painted all night, and and she thought half dans.

883
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: She worked. She would kitten heels to walk from her

884
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: house into her art studio, and the dead of winter

885
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: in Montana and like three feet of snow she would

886
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: wear like a like uh kitten heel, and like Audrey

887
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: Hepburn kind of black pants and like a calf tan.

888
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: So she was brilliant in so many different ways. But

889
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: she would always say to me as like a young girl.

890
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: She was like, I know you want to act, but

891
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna it's gonna drive you crazy because you're

892
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna want to do other things too, And you've got

893
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: to figure that out. You gotta like keep nurturing these

894
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: other parts of your personality, these things like and and

895
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: and and as and I did as. I loved fabrics

896
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: and textiles and painting. I was really obsessed with. It's

897
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: always an incredible painter. She won't like acknowledge it, but

898
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: she's like a brilliant painter. Yeah, I have a painting

899
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: of hers in my house and Ruin when they walk

900
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: into my house, they're like, what the fuck is that?

901
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: Like it's powerful, Like I really, I so admire you, honestly,

902
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: of all the different avenues and different things, and as

903
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 1: a businesswoman and as a and people you know who

904
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: have you and Reese who like I look at it. Oh,

905
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: you actually can't. It's exhausting, I'm sure, but you go, Okay,

906
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: Like I can do that. I can have a family

907
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: and I can make that a huge main focus of

908
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: my life, but also have a business and also produce

909
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: and also act and do all these things. And that

910
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: I'm starting to understand more what my grandmother was trying

911
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: to say to me, which is that you want so

912
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: much from life and you can have it and you

913
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: can do it and go out and do it and

914
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, no, you were saying that because I

915
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 1: was asking you about that one moment in your life

916
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: probably when Zach and Cody sweetlight, that's probably the moment.

917
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: My first job is in the Disney Channel. I sweating problem.

918
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: And I'm literally sweating so much right now. Anyway, I

919
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: my I was I did. My first job was on

920
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: this Disney Channel show and they'd how old were you?

921
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: I was fourteen and I was in a performing arts

922
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: high school, and I was like, very cool to be

923
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: working and whatever. And I was so excited and they

924
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: put you on these tight fucking shirts and I was like,

925
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: oh shit. And it's a live audience and a whole thing,

926
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: and so in between life like the most shameful thing ever.

927
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: In between live tapings in front of a giant audience,

928
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: they're like five PA's are blow drying my armpits while

929
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm sitting my life story. But yeah, I didn't answer

930
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: your question. I always wanted to act. I don't know.

931
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: Do you have an exact moment? Well? I remember watching

932
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs the Accused, and

933
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I just always felt that she was so engaged, so

934
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: and very powerful. That's how I felt about your mom

935
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: in First Wives Club. Oh really wrote that. I'm not,

936
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: I mean so funny, I stepp I. It's the I

937
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: just can't even put into words how important. I know

938
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: it seems silly, like, you know, I want to have

939
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: some sort of It's like when people ask me my

940
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: favorite movie, I'm like it's Anchorman, like one hundred percent.

941
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: Like the things that I really am like they changed

942
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: my life. Are like, I agree because of the Yeah,

943
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: oh god, it's so life. Wow is crazy. When did

944
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: you girls connect? Meaning like you hated each other, were

945
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: still trying to figure it out, but you guys, you

946
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: guys hated each other. And then when was it like, Oh,

947
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: my god, you are my homegirl for life and you're

948
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: not only my sister, but I wanted to talk to

949
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: you every day and you're my best friend. When we

950
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: started living next door to each other, when was that

951
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: seven years six years ago? Right? Are you still next

952
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: door to each other? Oh? How fun? Yeah, we see

953
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: each other every day. I also, I think when we

954
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: made a movie together, that was a really cool experience

955
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: because it was we got to see each other in

956
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: our working environment, and we also got to act together,

957
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: which was like one of the great joys of my

958
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: life personally to hit the ball back and forth with you.

959
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize it was really special because we

960
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: would like be in the middle of the scene and

961
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I would turn to you know,

962
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: get out of the shot or whatever, and I'd see

963
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: our DP who operated. Also he would have like his

964
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: head in his shirt like this, like crying, laughing, trying

965
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: not to ruin the take. And I would walk out

966
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: of the room and go to village and everyone in

967
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: village would just be like staring at the monitor. There

968
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: was some kind of really special magic that happened when

969
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: we got to hit the ball back and forth that

970
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: I did not think would occur because a lot of

971
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: the time, chemistry is weird like that. You know, it

972
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: doesn't just because you have a relationship doesn't denote that

973
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: it's going to appear on screen or on camera. That

974
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: was really special for me. I felt like I got

975
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: to know you better as a person by going through

976
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: that process together. It was just me. That was a

977
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: transition for me. It was the same friends, like do

978
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: you share friends? Not really? I mean, well, we share

979
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: friends in that like last night I came over and

980
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: I like, love your friends and they feel like family

981
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: to me. But I don't think you have that with

982
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: my friends if they're not you. Guys don't share like

983
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: a best mutual friend. We're very lucky in that I

984
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: still have like the same four best friends from kindergarten,

985
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: and Zoe still has the same like three best friends

986
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: from like third grade or something. Yeah, so we have

987
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: or that's nice. That is one day from kindergarten. No

988
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: one ever say from the middle La, people in LA

989
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: who grow up in La, it's like you keep those

990
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: friends life five my who whole life. But no one

991
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: ever talks about that because everyone thinks of Las being

992
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: like flitty and like achievement obsessed. And but me and

993
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: everyone that I know that grew up in the city, Yeah,

994
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: we're tight, so tight. Yeah, the same people for twenty

995
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: five years. So do you and will you live next

996
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: to each other? So clearly you talk almost every day?

997
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: Or is it the kind of thing where you live

998
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: next to each other but sometimes you'll go two weeks

999
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: and not have even talked to each other. No, we

1000
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: see each other every day if I'm in town, if

1001
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm here and you're here, are you girls going to

1002
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: work together again? Them? Do you have anything that you're

1003
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: interested in together? Maddie suggests to I'm developing a scripted

1004
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: podcast and Maddie's writing it with a couple of people,

1005
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: so she's starting the writer's room in a couple of weeks. Oh, fun, Yeah, Okay,

1006
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: let's do a speed round. Okay, one word to describe

1007
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: each other? You do, Maddie should we say it at

1008
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: the same time? Yeah? One, smart, fierce? What causes the

1009
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: most fights? One? Two, three? Clothing? Well perfect? Who has

1010
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: the better closet to raid on? Well, now that she's

1011
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: like a nudy star, she just gets sent so much

1012
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: shit all the time. I feel like it's weird to

1013
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: say movie stars, so we say nudy start. You're a

1014
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: nudy star. I did in kindergarten say to everyone because

1015
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: my mom was in movies that I couldn't see. I

1016
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: told everyone in kindergarten that my mom was an adult movies.

1017
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: And then finally the teacher was like, Leah, I have

1018
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: to talk to you. So the kids are going home

1019
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: and telling them that you're a porn star. Funny who

1020
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: gives better fashion advice? Maddie? I think I do. I

1021
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: think I'm good with like sort of like the whole picture,

1022
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm able to zoom out and be like, have

1023
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: like the vision for the thing and be like this

1024
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: is I think how you execute. So when you go

1025
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: to an event, if she's at an event, do you

1026
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: be like I face I was at a fitting for

1027
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair or whatever right before this. I faced under

1028
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: from it and it was addressed that she had picked

1029
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: out for me like a while ago, and I was like,

1030
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: I got it for you. Are you proud of me?

1031
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: Do you love me now? Maddie? It is really fun though.

1032
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: We'll sit now because so but it is. It is sweet,

1033
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: And this is one thing I'll just say, knowing Zoe

1034
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: is a little kid, it was so sweet. My mom

1035
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: used to just draw outlines and add little tabs and

1036
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: let Zoe make her own paper doll clothes. She would

1037
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: help her sew and make her own barbie clothes. Like

1038
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: Zoe's always loved fashion. So for me, as her older sister,

1039
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: I think it's so sweet and it makes me so

1040
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: happy to see that there's sort of been this like

1041
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: round about kind of backdoor entrance to being able to

1042
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: work with really important people in fashion, because I know

1043
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: that was always important to her. But it's not like

1044
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: you went to school for design or are a designer,

1045
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: but you get to do it, you guys over there,

1046
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: because there's like an art to it and it's very

1047
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: especially have to find because I have pictures throughout my

1048
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: life of outfits that I would wear that we've got

1049
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: to find these pictures. I mean, my outfits were out

1050
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: of control, but like out there, like I was like,

1051
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: I would wear cowboy boots, a spree cat suits with

1052
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: like neon with like tight skirt and like a and

1053
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: like a puffy jacket like I mean not dormon. I

1054
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: don't ever feel good in tight dresses. I'd be like,

1055
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm in a fucking prairie dress and sneakers,

1056
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: like I can't. He really does have this weird thing

1057
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: where her peak aesthetic is just amish. Like I'll be like, hey,

1058
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: she'll be like turtleneck, bonnet, other bonnet, bonnet in the back,

1059
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: bonnet in the pocket, full full like lawyer. We go

1060
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: like people, people want to go to the club, and

1061
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: she's holding them back in a full suit. Two aesthetics

1062
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: amish or corporate defense lawyer who's more bossy made Maddie.

1063
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: I am gonna respectfully disagree bossy one hundred percent. You're

1064
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: also really men. I'm really bossy. You're really bossy across

1065
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: the board. I'm sorry you guys. I'm gonna have to

1066
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: call you out of your boyfriend's men general all men

1067
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: and in general, like you're in general. And it's curious, really,

1068
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: I just it's like a it's like A, Yeah, I

1069
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: should work on it, Okay. Who's better at making decisions?

1070
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: Maddie me, I'm yeah, I'm super indecisive. I'm very very opinionated,

1071
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: but very indecisive, And she's very decisive decisive. Who's the

1072
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: better secret keeper? So me, you can vault, I can

1073
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: keep a secret. But she's a fucking scorpio, so she

1074
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: is just like a it's under lock and key. You

1075
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: tell me something, I will never ever ever repeat it.

1076
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: I kind of like that too. What about this who

1077
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: had who? Who has more secrets? Clearly? Do you think

1078
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: you have more secrets? You have more based on your guy,

1079
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: not between each other. I'm saying just in general, I

1080
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: think I keep secrets even from myself, So maybe I

1081
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: think I don't even know what I've done. It's so crazy.

1082
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: It's very mad. Who's messier? I'm messier, but I'm actually

1083
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: very clean. It's just that Maddie is is is OCD. Yeah,

1084
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: but you're OCD about different stuff, so so I'm technically cleaner,

1085
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: but we're OCD about different stuff. Zoe needs to like

1086
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: touch the doorknob. She thinks all her candles are on

1087
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: in her house. She'll text me thirty minutes later and go,

1088
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: can you go to my house and make sure I

1089
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: didn't burn the house down? I thought I left all

1090
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: my candles on. Okay, who's more laid back? We're both

1091
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: really fucking uptight. Okay, sorry, right, who's better at Instagram captions? Okay?

1092
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: It used to be and it used to be Maddy. Now, Okay,

1093
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: because Zoe. My instagram is serious and Zoe's Instagram is not.

1094
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,479
Speaker 1: I shoot a lot of film and so I don't

1095
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: try to be also funny with the captions. I'm just

1096
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: posting the film that I shoot. But Zoe is like

1097
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: trying to be funny and likable with all of her captions,

1098
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: so it's like, here's the thing you're looking at her

1099
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: instagram now. Oliver clearly is better at his Instagram captions

1100
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: than I am, because he's hilarious. But like, I go

1101
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: through phases where I'm really like on it in terms

1102
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: of my captions and on it in terms of posting,

1103
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: and other times where I'm like I just can't be bothered,

1104
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: Like I just want to like put the picture out

1105
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: and like do an emoji. Yeah that's perfectly fine. Do

1106
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: you know that's perfect? Fuck you? I don't give up,

1107
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: you're allowed to talk about him. I'm just gonna you

1108
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do now, I'm just gonna write

1109
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,479
Speaker 1: no cap. That means though no cap means no lie,

1110
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: that's what I just sat out. What does that mean? Like,

1111
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: no cap that means like I'm not lying. That's like

1112
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: a certain thing. Oh cool, that could work. Who's funnier?

1113
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: So he's gonna say herself, I am funnier than you.

1114
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: I am funnier than you. I'm so neurotic. I'm way

1115
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: more apt to approach something in like a you know,

1116
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: the the Larry David way. Although I will say I

1117
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: just was having a really long conversation with someone about

1118
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: this where I was like, I don't understand. So for me,

1119
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: like people watch Curb your Enthusiasm and like really love

1120
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: it and enjoy it, and I'm like, for me, it

1121
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: stresses me out because I'm like, that's just dad, like

1122
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: freaking out about our dad freaking out about something that's

1123
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: so funny, right, But so to me, I don't find

1124
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: a neurotic old jew like hilarious. I find it like,

1125
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: oh God, this is why I am the way that

1126
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: I am. So I just think it's really interesting that

1127
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: the show appeals to so many people, Like so many

1128
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: people think he's hilarious, whereas like I watch it and

1129
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm like having a mental breakdown. But it's that Seinfeld model.

1130
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: It's taking the insane. It's taking that sort of thing

1131
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: that you think about every day in life, and he

1132
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: exposes it. Like, why are we doing this? Why is

1133
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: this souper? Like why don't you put a napkin on

1134
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: the table. You gotta put the utensils on the napkin? Okay.

1135
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: Who's better at following rules? Neither of us? Okay, nobody

1136
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: follows real Who wins in a fight? Wow, that's the

1137
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: thing that we're talking about. It it's David separately, we

1138
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: both but together we both we both win separately, we

1139
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: both lose the No, separately, we both win the fight. Together,

1140
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: we both lose the fight. It's like fire with fire

1141
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: with the two of us. Separately, we win, together, we lose. Yeah,

1142
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: that's the slow, that's our joint autobi. So I'm moving

1143
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: out and we're not going to be living next to

1144
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: each other and we're gonna take its. Okay. What advice

1145
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: would you give sisters that go at it a lot

1146
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: or that sometimes have moments where they're you know, or

1147
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: sisters that are estranged from each other. My motto is

1148
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: that my priority, my number one relationship in my life forever,

1149
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: no matter what is my sister. That's it. So no

1150
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: matter how hard or how mad or how weird things get,

1151
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: like I'm gone, I need to work through this with

1152
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: you because you are my life partner. No matter what,

1153
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: dude or what whatever, like friend, anything, whatever, You're the priority,

1154
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: and my relationship with you is the priority because that's that.

1155
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: So that's why we need to go to therapy. No,

1156
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: but I mean that I think that it's such a

1157
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: blessing that you know you're given you get your person,

1158
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: you get your person, because I think I think I

1159
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: heard this maybe you guys were saying this on one

1160
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: of your podcasts, where it's like you, only one other

1161
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: person knows what it was like to grow up in

1162
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: the house, or to grow up with the circumstances surrounding

1163
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: your parents, or the texture or the color or the

1164
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: culture of how you grew up in that house. So

1165
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: the only the two of you are really going to

1166
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: find certain stuff funny, only the two of you are

1167
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: really going to find certain stuff sad, like it's that

1168
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: weird specific tether. So yeah, I mean it is. I

1169
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: think it's the most important relationship in my life for sure.

1170
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: But the advice that I would give to people who

1171
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: are like really really fighting is I would say, look

1172
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: at the dynamic with your parents, like who what like?

1173
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 1: Because if I think sometimes if you were of what's

1174
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: going on with your parents with the two of you,

1175
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: then you can get to it just between you both.

1176
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: But sometimes you don't realize you're locked in like a

1177
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: dynamic that may or may not be healthy with with

1178
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: the parents, and you don't realize it because it's the

1179
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: way it's always been. But I would say, like, look

1180
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: at that first and then try to kind of love that.

1181
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: That's good. Okay, we asked We also asked this to

1182
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: to everything everybody. So this one is the one that

1183
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: makes us not special, but the last one we were special. Yes,

1184
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: that was very exactly. Yeah, okay, you're very special. So

1185
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: it's a two parter. What would you like to take

1186
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: from your sister to alleviate something from her life? And

1187
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: then something something that you would take away and then

1188
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: and then on the flip side of that, what would

1189
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: you want to take from her for yourself that you

1190
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: wish you had. That's a fascinating question. I gotta go No, No,

1191
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: it's not that. That's a deep question, that's not like

1192
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: a fluffy, cutesy question. Yeah, but you can what you

1193
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: want I would give. I would take from Oliver his

1194
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: ability to be like, you know, his his like fuck

1195
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: it mentality and you know, being like his sense of

1196
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: humor and his self deprecate, his ability to like make

1197
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: people laugh and all that. You mean you want that, Yeah,

1198
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: that'd be something that I wish I had more of

1199
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: his sort of I would take. I would take her

1200
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: sort of fearlessness, just sort of you know, whatever's in

1201
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: my way, I'll plow through it, I'll get through it,

1202
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: I'll get over it, I'll make it better. I'm fearless.

1203
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: I would take. If I could steal something from your playbook,

1204
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:06,479
Speaker 1: I would steal your ability to not dwell. I mean,

1205
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: I think there's some things that's really stick with you

1206
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: and you dwell on them. But like, for the most part,

1207
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: you just have a really amazing ability to be like

1208
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: fuck it, next moving on. Like I don't have the

1209
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: same thing. I have to write a movie about everything

1210
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: because I can't stop with the like, let's get into

1211
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: all the details in the minue shove. I mean, it's

1212
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: what makes me who I am. But I envy so

1213
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: much the ability to just be like, we're just gonna

1214
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: like it's another chapter, like let's let's continue forward. That

1215
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: I do not really have that I wish I did,

1216
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: and I would take from you. I can't finish a

1217
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: sentence like I can't construct one sentence without like like

1218
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: I sound, so I can't. I can't speak true articulate

1219
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: is the word you're looking for it Wait a minute,

1220
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: love to have the articulation. And you know what actually

1221
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: more than that, what's deeper than that, is that A

1222
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: like to feel worthy of people's time and worthy of

1223
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: people's attention in that way. I think that if I'm

1224
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: not doing a dog and pony show, then people aren't

1225
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: going to pay attention. So I either say something funny

1226
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: or flippant or whatever just so that I can or

1227
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: chop it all together. I don't. And it's super and

1228
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: you think about things before you say them in a

1229
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: way that I don't that I'm super envious of. I'm

1230
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: very smart and you're very smart. I just don't string

1231
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: words together in the way to no, but you know

1232
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: what I wish I did. But you know what I

1233
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: think it. You know what I think it is. And

1234
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 1: this is the thing that I wish I could alleviate

1235
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: for you or remove. Is I think there's a core

1236
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: belief that what you think about the world around you

1237
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: like doesn't like that it that it doesn't hold enough

1238
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: weight or as much weight as maybe what somebody else

1239
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: thinks about the world around them. Like that's why I

1240
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: think you maybe do the Dog and Pony Show, because

1241
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: you're like, I want to add accessories to this, I

1242
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: want to decorate it. And I think there's like a

1243
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: fear that if you just delivered really what you thought,

1244
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: without ornamentation, without the spectacle, that it might not be

1245
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: like enough. But it is obviously because you're so so

1246
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: smart and so interested in the world around you, ask

1247
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: so many questions, you're so curious, you want to know

1248
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: all the layers, all the things. But I think that's

1249
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: what it might be, like a core belief that without

1250
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: all this other stuff around it, it's not enough. I

1251
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: think probably because I don't feel like I'm enough. Maybe

1252
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a common theme for a

1253
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: lot of people. Yeah, I think everybody has that. I

1254
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: think everybody has that. I think it's honestly a human thing.

1255
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean you think of all the time, like who

1256
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: what person has not gone to therapy? Who's realized that

1257
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: they feel like they're not enough? You know what I mean?

1258
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: Like at some point, whether it's culturally, a society, the community,

1259
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: our parents, we all have this collective thing of like,

1260
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: maybe we're not worth what this is or you know

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Speaker 1: it then comes religion, which we didn't even talk about.

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Speaker 1: What would you think? I think? And this is we

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Speaker 1: talk about this a lot. You see people in a

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Speaker 1: really really interesting, evolved way, and you examine them and

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Speaker 1: you sometimes judge them, and it's because you judge yourself

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Speaker 1: so harshly. And if I could take one thing away,

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Speaker 1: it would be to not judge yourself so harshly, because

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Speaker 1: you're really fucking awesome, like my favorite person in the world,

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Speaker 1: but you you judge yourself so harshly and also in

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Speaker 1: turn judge other people pretty harshly. And I know you're

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Speaker 1: working on that so much, and I'm so proud of you,

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Speaker 1: and you you really you want to alleviate yourself of

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Speaker 1: this and that that is really cool. I think that's

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Speaker 1: The hardest thing about growing up is like I was

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Speaker 1: saying to someone the other day and then I promise,

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Speaker 1: I'll shut up. There's like there's like awareness, there's awareness,

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Speaker 1: and there is willingness and like a river hath runneth

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Speaker 1: through them, like in order to get from the banks

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Speaker 1: of awareness to the banks of willingness. It's so funny.

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Speaker 1: There is a journey, like you have to build the

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Speaker 1: bridge across that river, and it's like a painful bridge, right, like,

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Speaker 1: cause you can have all the self awareness in the

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Speaker 1: world of like, I know I do that thing that's

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Speaker 1: self destructive. I know I've got this issue. I know

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Speaker 1: I got that thing, But the willingness to do something

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Speaker 1: about it or to change your behavior or to adjust

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Speaker 1: is like a whole other ball of wax. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: I think they're very separate, and I think what stops

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Speaker 1: people is going across from like one to the other.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Mm hmm. I like that. I live

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Speaker 1: for fucking metaphor kids, I've gotten that from this. So

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Speaker 1: before we leave, what are you guys working on? Now? Oh? God,

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Speaker 1: I have all these movies that I've written that I'm

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Speaker 1: training it made. So it's just like a slog. Is

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Speaker 1: there one in particular that you're just like, one day,

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Speaker 1: this shit's going to get done. I think all of

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Speaker 1: them have are going to have their journey. But I

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Speaker 1: did it. I did adapt that. I'm supposed to direct

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Speaker 1: a New York Times bestseller. It was a young adult

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Speaker 1: novel called Crank that was like huge when I was

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Speaker 1: in high school. That I is a lot about addiction,

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Speaker 1: and I've had a really interesting journey with that growing

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Speaker 1: up around it, and so I feel like I've got

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Speaker 1: a really uh a glance on it that I think

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Speaker 1: is cool and interesting. So that book is like really beloved.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like if I can get that one

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Speaker 1: off the ground, I think people will be excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Oh fun good and you Yeah. I have a movie

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Speaker 1: called Buffalo. It's a that I produced. Did you shoot

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Speaker 1: it in Buffalo? No? I shot it in Toronto, But

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Speaker 1: I bought all the outfits from thrift stories in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very proud of it. I love it. It's

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Speaker 1: super wacky and wild and high octane and uh and

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Speaker 1: I sweat a lot while shooting it because I was

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Speaker 1: wearing polyester suits. And I know that's what you want.

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Speaker 1: What is it about? Watching bogline. How's up for a pitch.

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Speaker 1: It's about a girl who grows up in Buffalo, New York,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the main jobs in Buffalo. They're

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Speaker 1: all debt collectors, and she was tortured and destroyed by

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Speaker 1: debt collectors growing up, so she became obsessed with money

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Speaker 1: and kind of has all these side hustles and as

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Speaker 1: a result, one of them goes off the rails. She

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Speaker 1: goes to jail, gets out the only job she can

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Speaker 1: get as a debt collector, so she becomes the thing

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Speaker 1: that destroyed her entire existence to begin with. But she's

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Speaker 1: very like like brash, super like no bones about it comedy,

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Speaker 1: which I think is fun because I think sometimes people

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Speaker 1: are too afraid to be like it's a comedy, Like

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Speaker 1: they want to be like cynical and like sardonic about it,

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like it's like out there funny. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you girl, thank you for having us all right,

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Speaker 1: Love you guys, you're the best one. Sibling Revelry is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by Kate Hudson, Alira Hudson, and sim Sarna.

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Speaker 1: Supervising producer is Alison Presnik. Editor is Josh Wendish. Music

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Speaker 1: by Mark Hudson aka Uncle Man,