1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Ron Anian. We have three cars in the shop this week, 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy, like it just doesn't happen. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: But everybody around us is everything is slowing down. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: I'm just. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: The car doctor. 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: I've been seeing advertisements for these new tools that you 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: slay up your iPhone to your your cell phone two 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: and you download an app and you can do a 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: twelve wheel or a front wheel alignment on your car. 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: I can't believe that a two hundred dollars rap can 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: take the place of a seventy thousand dollars alignment machine. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron Aanian, the Car Doctor. 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: the phone and call in. The garage doors. 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Are open, but I am here to take your call 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: at eight five five five six ninety nine hundred NAE 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: running Ruby. 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: Somebody, some time, everybody falls in love somehow. 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Oh boys, Tom's up to his usual hyjenks even though 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: I can't see him on camera today. Hello, welcome. You 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: know where do we start today? All right, there's a 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: lot of things on my mind. There's a there's a 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: couple of things of high importance today on my mind 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: that i'd like to get settled. I want to talk 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: about audo repair. And you know, if you're new to 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: this show, understand what this show is. We talk about 29 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: audo repair. We talk about real life stuff from the shop. 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: We talk about things that I see, phone calls, I 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: get all from the shop, and it's it's it's a 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: viewpoint from a mechanic that's been working probably longer than 33 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: he's half alive. Let's see forty five fifty three, I've 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: been doing this. I've been doing this a fair and 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: forty five years and maybe longer. And I see a lot, 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: and I absorb a lot, and I think about a lot. 37 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: I've said for the longest time that that mechanics hold 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: your life in our hands, and that's why it's so important. 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: A We've got to be the best we can be, 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: and you know, you've got to go and find the 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: best that you can find and afford. And that afford 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: part just strikes me. I have a problem with that 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: to some degree, because it seems like some that can 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: afford still don't want to spend money. I'm doing order 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: repair properly, which boggles my mind. I had a phone 46 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: call this week in the shop from a phone shopper, 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: as I like to call them, and it was how 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: much is it to do front breaks on a Nissan Pathfinder? 49 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: And you know, my question is always what are we 50 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: trying to achieve? What's wrong with the breaks? Why do 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: you think any well? I think I need breaks. They're squealing. 52 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: The dealership tells me I need breaks, and they want 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars to do pads and rotors, and I 54 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: think that's too much money. Now, this this is a 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: hard question to answer and see on radio, because you know, 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: different parts of the country have different labor rates. But 57 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: around New Jersey, New York, typical shop labor rates are 58 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: somewhere between one hundred and seventy five and two hundred 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: and fifty dollars an hour. I mean, that's that's what 60 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: it is. It is what it is, And you know 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: that's obviously directly tied to the cost of living and 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: what it takes to be here, and property taxes and 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: insurance and overhead in the building. And everybody's got to 64 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: make a living, so everybody can be here to service 65 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: the population that's here. That's just what it is. I 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: don't think five hundred dollars is a lot of money 67 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: to do pads and rotors. And I told that to him. 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: I said, it sounds like they're machining the rotors. They're 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: going to cut the rotors and they're going to replace 70 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: the pads. And he didn't really understand that, or he 71 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: just didn't want to be He didn't want to absorb that. 72 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: He didn't want to sit there and think to himself that, 73 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,279 Speaker 1: you know how important it breaks. Breaks are obviously a liability, 74 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: and you know there's only one way to do breaks, 75 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: the right way. And you know, you've got to have 76 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: confidence in your breaks. You the vehicle operator, you've got 77 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: to know that they're going to stop, They're going to 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: do what they're supposed to do. You need to have 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: confidence in the vehicle, and you need to have confidence 80 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: in your mechanic, because your mechanic, like I said, holds 81 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: your life in their hands. Tuesday, my phone rang late 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: at the house and it was Tom. I didn't pick 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: it up. It was you know, I was probably in bed. 84 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I was passed out. It was eight thirty at night 85 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: for me, that's late because I start my day very early. 86 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: And the next day when I spoke to Tom was 87 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: he was upset rightfully. So when I tell you what 88 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you, Tom Junior his son, and 89 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: he just had taken his sixteen year old Toyota into 90 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: the local Toyota dealer, Middletown Toyota, Middletown, Connecticut, and they 91 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: had done a bulb in the front. And the procedures 92 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: a little vague. It's either pull the bumper or pull 93 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: the wheel and go at it from the back. And 94 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: they had pulled the wheel, the left front wheel, and 95 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: they changed the bulb, and the next day Tom was 96 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: driving along. It's every mechanic's nightmare. I can't begin to 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: tell you how you'll lose sleep over this at night 98 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: if you're a mechanic. And the wheel fell off. He 99 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: was driving down the road and the wheel separated from 100 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: the vehicle. Now, fortunately, if there is a blessing in this, 101 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: and there is, he was driving around local He wasn't 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: doing sixty on the highway. He was doing I'm guessing 103 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: thirty thirty five on backstreets and the wheel fell off, 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: and you know, here he is on the way to 105 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: work on the side of the road and oh my god, 106 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: now what do I do? And this is a problem 107 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: on so many levels because you have to understand that 108 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: tire and wheel assembly coming off the car is like 109 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: a guided missile. All right, at speed, that tire bouncing 110 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: down the road, that'll go through a windshield, that will 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: take out another car, That will cause that car it's 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: aimed for to swerve into the car next to it 113 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: and could cause a multi car accident. This is every 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: mechanic's nightmare. I calmed Tom down and I explained to him. 115 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: I said, this is an indefensible position, Tom, I said, 116 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: they're going to be so nice about this. You just 117 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: watch and sure enough, to their credit. And you know, 118 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: this is the measurement of order repair. You know, I 119 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: always say, right, you know, order repair is like marriage 120 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: in the sense that when things are going good and 121 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: we're on the honeymoon and oh honey, I love you, 122 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: and this is wonderful, there's no problem. But sooner or later, 123 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: somebody passes gas and there's a problem, and it's just 124 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: you got to see how they react to it, how 125 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: well do they handle the situation. To their credit. Middletown 126 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Toyota stepped up. They did the right thing. They absolutely 127 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: did the right thing, in this mechanic's opinion. They had 128 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: a tow truck picked up the car within and within 129 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: the hour, they had the vehicle evaluated within forty five 130 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: minutes of delivery to the dealership. Tom Junior got a 131 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: phone call within two hours saying, here's what happened. We're 132 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: so sorry, and accidents do happen in order repair because 133 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: we're not perfect. None of us are going to be 134 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: perfect until we're dead, and then I'm pretty sure we're 135 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: not making any mistakes. And they not only fixed what 136 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: was wrong with the car, they serviced it, oil change 137 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: and some filters and some other things. They replaced hubcaps 138 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: on the car because he was missing a couple of hubcaps. 139 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: They detailed that, they shampooed it, they cleaned the interior, 140 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: they gave him a loaner. They did the right thing. 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: And to me, that's what you're looking for in a 142 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: repair shop. You're looking for somebody that when something goes wrong, 143 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: they step up to the plate. I understand. As an addendum, 144 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the last bit of information I heard on this story 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: was that three o'clock on Friday afternoon, they had a 146 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: shop wide meeting. You know it takes to stop a 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: dealership repair facility in their tracks and to have a 148 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: fifteen minute meeting. Do you know what that costs? Any ideas? Right, 149 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: think of the dollars per hour? But they did. They 150 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: had a shop white meeting at three o'clock on Friday, 151 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: and the topic, I'm told was this that this can 152 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: never happen again. Why did it happen in the first place, 153 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: and what steps are we going to do to make 154 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: sure that it never happens again. And I asked Tom 155 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Senior and talked to Junior. You know, how did he 156 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: feel about it? Well, you know what, let me Tom, 157 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: you want to jump in here. What are your thoughts? 158 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: Well, you're right. They did the right thing. 159 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: They stepped up to the plate. 160 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 5: I mean, when my son called and said here's what happened, 161 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 5: there was no hesitation. They were like, where's the car, 162 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 5: We're coming to get it right now. And you know, 163 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 5: you're right. Accidents happened, Mistakes happened, somebody had a bad day. 164 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 5: Thankfully it turned out okay, and they took care of 165 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 5: the problem. They took care of the problem. And I 166 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 5: told my son, I said, look, I said, you take 167 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 5: it back there. You develop a relationship with these guys 168 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 5: because they did what they made a mistake and they 169 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 5: made good on it. They made they did more than 170 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 5: make good on it. So you just go, you know, 171 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 5: have continue having your car service there, and you know 172 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 5: you'll you'll eventually be known as as one tire guy 173 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 5: or somebody when you go walking in. 174 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he'll get you. 175 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 5: I'm known as the four hundred thousand mile a guy 176 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 5: at the Ford dealer here right. 177 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: Sooner or later, sooner or later, somebody he's going to 178 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: get a nickname for this. Oh look, it's it's if 179 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: it's left tire tom or something, and and you know 180 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: it's it's but it's it's a sign of what we're 181 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: looking for in a repair facility. Listen, it's what we're 182 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: looking for in anybody that we do business with. Right, 183 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: there's no business that's infallible. Okay, the plumber shows up, 184 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: he changes the wrong part. The carpenter, you know, makes 185 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: the addition, and he puts the wrong the wrong type 186 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: of door in uh to go out to the deck. 187 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: That was just ad at a Things happen, Mistakes happen, 188 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the problem in order repair is the wrong mistake, the 189 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: wrong kind of mistake, you know, doing front breaks when 190 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: we're suppos do front and back. Yeah, that's one thing, 191 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: all right, let's just roll it back in the door. 192 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: But the wheel that falls off. I remember his shop 193 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: a couple of blocks away from us. Going back, it's 194 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: got to be fifteen years ago. The left front tire 195 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: came off of this pickup truck. It went through the 196 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: front windshield of the car and oncoming traffic. The woman 197 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: swerved hit a pole, the pole fell on top of 198 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: her car. She was airlifted to Newark Trauma Center. I 199 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: believe she lived. It created a three car accident on 200 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: a backstreet in Bergen County, and that mechanic never really 201 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: recovered from that. I believe he left the business is 202 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: what ended up happening because the trauma, because he realized 203 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: the mistake he made. So just you know what, there's 204 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: a way to handle an auto repair relationship. Middletown Toyota 205 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: handled it correctly. I think the guys that are phone 206 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: shopping and looking for the cheap ways out of things 207 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: don't understand that. And going back to the gentleman with 208 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: the brakes, I suggested he goes somewhere else and try 209 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: and find what he's looking for. And when he doesn't, 210 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to talk to him because there's 211 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: only one way to do things in order repair, and 212 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: that's the right way. Eight five five five six nine 213 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I'm ronnin Andy and the Car Doctor. 214 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. 215 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 5: For the best in car advice. Give Ron a call 216 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 5: eight by five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 217 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: Now back to Ron. 218 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: Hey, let's jump over to Greg in Wisconsin, see what's 219 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: going on with his on nine Morano. Greg. Welcome to 220 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, Sir, how can I help? 221 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: Hi? Ron, Thanks for kicking my call. 222 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. 223 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: I have my daughter has an ON nine Morano that 224 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: background Thanksgiving. A little bit before Thanksgiving, it through U 225 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: P zero three zero six Okay, and then I H yeah, 226 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: So I my son in law asked me about it, 227 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: and I suggested to him to switch the coils to 228 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: another cylinder, and so I did that, and UH, at 229 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: the same time I think that he did that, he 230 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: was also having trouble with the gas gage not working, 231 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: so you had gone in and UH, I think pulled 232 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: U sending unit out of the tank and UH, cleaned 233 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: up the contacts or something and and got that working. 234 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: And then about a week later he called me up 235 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: and the car would not start in the driveway. It 236 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: had p zero three hundred now, and so I went 237 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: over there to help him, and I couldn't get my 238 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: my spark plug tester to fit on the on the boot, 239 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: so he just checked it, you know, the kind of 240 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: the old way of just holding it to the to 241 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: the block or right over the hat and and saw spark. 242 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 2: So I thought, well, maybe maybe it's just wet. So 243 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: we uh pulled all the spark plugs out and they 244 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: were all wet, cleaned them up, dried them off, put 245 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: them back in. And I didn't want to start at 246 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: first job and then I jumped in and just held 247 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: it down to the floor and got it to start, 248 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: and it seemed like it cleared out and was running okay. 249 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: And uh next the next mistake on my part was 250 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: I did not test drive it, and I just thought 251 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: it was you know, it started, it's good. And uh 252 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: so my my daughter the next I'm not sure the 253 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: next day or whenever, but then she got stuck on 254 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: the highway with uh the service engine light flashing, so 255 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: she stopped. It was still running, but she stopped it. 256 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: So it was miss it was misfiring. It's it was 257 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: misfiring at speed on the highway. 258 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had no we had lost of loss 259 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: of power. And so then my my son in law 260 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: had a Toto shop and. 261 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: They plugs and coils. 262 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they said that. They checked, checked for spark, had spired, 263 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: checked for compression, had good compression. 264 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: And checked fuel pressure, fuel. 265 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: Injectors and every they said everything was good, don't know 266 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: what's wrong with it, and kind of let it go 267 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: at that. 268 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: So then so let me ask let me ask you 269 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: this question. Greg. You know your son, your son in 270 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: law moved the coil, right, he took it from six 271 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: and he put it somewhere else and he put the 272 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: other coil back where it was. Did he move the plug? 273 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: I know, I don't believe the plug was moved. 274 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: Okay. So when it came back to look at it 275 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: and said codes again, was it still showing a misfire 276 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: on six? 277 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: It was showing uh, no, three or six was gone. 278 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: It was just a zero three hundred okay. 279 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: So then if we went into data stream and looked 280 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: at misfires, what did we say? 281 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: So yeah. So so it between that, if I can 282 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: talk about the next step was it went to a 283 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: dealership and the dealership said that, uh, it must have 284 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: because of the myths fires, it must have thrown uh 285 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: cat codes. So they picked up cat codes and said 286 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: guaranteed it's the cats. So a couple of cats got 287 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: changed and that of course did not did not fix it. 288 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: Then about a week ago I went over and we 289 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: did we did uh check missfires, and we got miss 290 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: fires on miss fire counts on two, four and six. 291 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: Okay, that's the right right side, I believe, right side, 292 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: left side. 293 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: That's that's uh not the firewall side. So outside of 294 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: the the easy to get too, thankfully, but yeah, so 295 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: so so we got those real high miss fire counts 296 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: pretty much all the same on all of them, and 297 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: that I was. I thought, well, he said that supposedly 298 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: the compression was good, but I thought, well, I'll do 299 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: a leak down and just see. And those those three, 300 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: two four, and six, the cylinders all seemed really tight. 301 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: On the leaked down test. There really wasn't any Yeah. 302 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: One hundred pounds, one hundred pounds in it's got to 303 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: hold ninety pounds or more, right, Yeah. 304 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeh, yeh, and it was it was good almost too. 305 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean a couple of it's done. Not 306 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: a real expensive tester, but two of them were at 307 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: ninety ninety eight and I think the other one was 308 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: like at ninety six. 309 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so move on, get past that. So when they 310 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: did cats, they did all of them. They did one 311 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: side not the other. What do they do. 312 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: They so they did the both sides of the front 313 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: and then the center one was done. I did that 314 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: one with my son in law, probably a couple of 315 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: years ago. 316 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so right now, does this car run. 317 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: It'll wrong, yep. We'll run on the on the three 318 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: and maybe, you know, maybe we're getting something out of 319 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: the two, four and six. I did pull the plugs 320 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: out just to look at them again, and they were 321 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: it looked like they were firing. I mean, the pugs 322 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: have about thirty thousand on them, and although there was 323 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: some it looked like there was some fuel around the 324 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: outside edge of the plug. Looked like it was a 325 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 2: little wet there. 326 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: Okay, what kind of what kind of scan tool do 327 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: you have? Gregs. 328 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 2: I've got a I've got a hotel tablet. 329 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: So you can go in. You can go in year 330 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: make model yes, okay, and obviously you can also go 331 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: in OBD two should we should we choose to so 332 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: right now, to sum it up, this vehicle's got a 333 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: running problem on the forward bank two four and six. 334 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: It's reporting misfires on two four and six, and it's 335 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: got a low power problem. When I return, we're gonna 336 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: give you the answers you're looking for. Greg, don't go anywhere, 337 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: and everybody else stay put. I'm running any in the 338 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: car dock. Eight five five five six zero nine nine 339 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: zero zero is the phone number. If we're not here, 340 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: Ca'll leave a message. The answering machine will kick you 341 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: in for the next live cue. But don't go anywhere. 342 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: We'll be back with Greg's answers right after this. Hell right, 343 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: we'll keep you all right, Greg, you're still there, sir, 344 00:18:59,119 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: welcome back. 345 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 4: I am still here on on. 346 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: Thank you. 347 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this for a minute. Here's a 348 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: vehicle that's been kind of handed around, right, and it's 349 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: it seems, you know, as I'm listening to the story, 350 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: the story and the symptoms and the condition and the 351 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: problem seems to change a little, right, it gets it 352 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: gets worse the more people that work on it. 353 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right? 354 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: Am I Am I wrong in that statement? Or would 355 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: you agree? 356 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: I would agree, yes. 357 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: So I want to know is it so? Has the 358 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: problem gotten to this point? You know, operator error, mechanic 359 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: induced in a sense part induced. You know we changed 360 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: parts that haven't fixed anything. And you know new means 361 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: never ever worked in my world? Right, like like one 362 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: hundred thoughts go through my mind. So since this is 363 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: the forward bank, right, fairly easy to get to. Right, 364 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: do you own a cooling system pressure tester? Yes? Good? 365 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: Can we take the vehicle, pull the plugs out, put 366 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: a pressure tester on it, and walk away for the 367 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: night and come back in the morning and look down 368 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: in the cylinders and do we see any signs of 369 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: coolant in any of the holes? Right? Okay, if we do, 370 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I know you're gonna I know, I hear your mind, 371 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: your mind going. But ron I had I had good 372 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: leak down. I understand that. But this seems to be 373 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: a random problem. And let's just let's just go for 374 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: the tell me what's good. I'll tell you what's bad. 375 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: If it passes that no coolant and there's no signs 376 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: of fuel in the cylinder such that we've got an 377 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: injector leaking down. If you've got a fuel pressure gage, 378 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: let's put a fuel pressure gauge on it. I'm not 379 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: saying that's the easiest system to hook up to, but 380 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: it might be worth our effort just to know that, yes, 381 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: it holds fuel pressure. It doesn't you know, I don't 382 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: have a leaking injector and I don't have a coolant 383 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: head gasket issue? Fair? 384 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 385 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Okay? Number three? Has anybody checked Manifold vacuum yet? 386 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: No? No, I has not been. I do have a 387 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: gauge and. 388 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: Has not been checked. 389 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: You know. 390 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Is it is it possible that this two hundred and 391 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: ten thousand mile Nissan has jumped the chain? Right? 392 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 393 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: That that the forward that has right? 394 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 4: That has been a thought? 395 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? 396 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Has the camp sprocket uh jumped the tooth? Does this 397 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: have Does this have the what I affectionately call the 398 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: Nissan supercharger wind to it when it runs? 399 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: You know? 400 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: Does the does the chain sound noisy? Is there like 401 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: noise coming from the front of the engine that it 402 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: sounds like the back of a bus with the supercharger 403 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: winding up? Because the chain has actually worn out the 404 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: plastic and is rubbing against the metal bracket that holds 405 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: the nylon. 406 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: God, yeah, I'm not sure about that. 407 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: I'm not sure sure. 408 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this. If that, if that timing 409 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: chain and the assorted accouterments that go with it, accouterments 410 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: is a good word. If the timing chain and the 411 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: accouterments have not been done, I say we give it 412 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: to the Smithsonian and goes don't want to see it 413 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: because there's just there's just no way a Nissan is 414 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: gonna get to this age and not need a chain, 415 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: not at least be making noise. I've never seen it. 416 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: And if it's making noise, that means things are worn. 417 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: And if it's worn, they're loose, and loose as bad 418 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: because loose becomes h and we jump a tooth and 419 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: it wouldn't take much where the chain has so much 420 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: stretch in it. It's affecting that forward bank. 421 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, although, yeah, is there a way to tellel 422 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 4: like by just yeah, you're. 423 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: Gonna pull covers off and you know, look at mechanical marks. 424 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: I know of no other way, Okay, right, number one, 425 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: number two, number three, number four if we want to 426 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: be scientific, And this is why I asked what scan 427 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: tool you have you could look at and that get 428 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: the thing warm and bring up the air fuel ratios 429 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: sensors for each bank. Right, Yeah, if if mixture is correct, 430 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: and we've got a problem for another reason, and I 431 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: think you're going to see something here. You're going to 432 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: see about a vault and a half coming out of 433 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: the air fuels. But let's let's look at it this way. 434 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: Forget what forget one and a half one and a 435 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: half vaults because this is a two hundred and ten 436 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: thousand mile, sixteen year old vehicle. Can we agree that 437 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: if things are the correct, if things are combustion wise, 438 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: operating wise, sensor wise correct, in the forward bank, we 439 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: should see the same air fuel ratio sensor value as 440 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: we do in the back bank. 441 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 4: Correct. 442 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: Basically it's two three cylinder engines. 443 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 4: Yep, right, I agree. 444 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: I think I think you're going to see a higher 445 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: voltage on the forward bank because I bet that bank 446 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: is running lean. And you could surely go into ob 447 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: D two and look at it in language you understand, right, 448 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: because you're probably more you're probably more familiar with percentage 449 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: and air fuel mixture that way. But I bet that 450 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: forward bank is lean. Why, Because I bet you there's 451 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: a combustion process problem. Now, whether that combustion process problem 452 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: is because the cam jumped, the tooth manifold vacuum is low, 453 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: there's an exhaust restriction, You've got a fuel pressure or 454 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: coolant leak. I don't know that yet. Yeah, right, but 455 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: you get where I'm going. I'm trying to test components 456 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: in an absolute Let's let's end it. And this is 457 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: where it's gotta be kind of manner, all right, And 458 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: while I while I've got my scan tool hooked up, 459 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: just for giggles, I'm gonna look at coolant temp. I'm 460 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: gonna look at air air, ambient air tamp. I'm gonna 461 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: look at a couple of things. I'm gonna look at 462 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: mass airflow. Do I see you know, I probably won't 463 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: see much, but it only takes a second, you know. 464 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, So what what about trying to get it warmed up? 465 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 4: But the check engine light is flashing? 466 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 2: Right? 467 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: So it runs that bad? 468 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: Now? Yeah? 469 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it'll run. I can start it, but 470 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 4: it'll have no power and light will start flashing pretty quick. 471 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So then before we before we run it and 472 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: do any further damage, let's let's do the Let's do 473 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: the cylinder test, you know, coolant pressure eyes, and do 474 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: we have any coolant in the cylinders? The next morning 475 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: eight hours later, let it soak okay, all right, and 476 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: if it does, if it passes that, then let's do 477 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: a manifold vacuum check. Something's got to be off here 478 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: early on. Those are my two indicators. I'm betting manifold 479 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: vacuum is going to be low. And then I'm thinking 480 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: something mechanical. Now, for giggles, since it was just put on, 481 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: can you take the cat off right? Does the cat 482 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: on bolt? 483 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 4: Probably? Yeah, I would think it'd be easy to get 484 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 4: off right. 485 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: It's gonna be awfully loud. But if the engine clears 486 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: up in the way that it runs, and then and 487 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: then last, okay, last, can we go look at mode six? 488 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Mode six? 489 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 4: I've heard you talk about it a lot, I've never 490 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: actually went into it. 491 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: Good time to learn, although although you're gonna look. Although 492 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: looking at a broken vehicle to learn a system isn't right. 493 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: Take your scan tool, hook it up to any other 494 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: car in the household, go into OBD two and they 495 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: should have either a special functions listed or special features 496 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: or mode six. You know, Mode six is just looking 497 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: at the operating conditions when the when the when the 498 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: problems occur. Okay, I'm sorry, not Mode six. Freeze frame. 499 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: Mode six is going to be the mote six is 500 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: going to be the conditions of each individual test, what 501 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: tests are failing? Just to go look at it, but 502 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: go look at freeze frame. Freeze frame is where I 503 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: want you to be. I just want to see what 504 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: conditions these things are happening under, all right, all right, Yeah, 505 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: you got a bunch of homework to do, kiddo. Don't worry. 506 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: You'll fix it, all right. 507 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 2: All right, so you give me a call. 508 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: You give me a call next week or the week after. 509 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: You let me know how you made out. 510 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 4: All right, we'll do wrong, all right. 511 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: Greg, Good luck? A five five, five, six nine nine 512 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: zero zero run any of the car Doctor. We're back 513 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: right after this. Hey, let's uh, let's keep it going. 514 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: Let's go over to Matt in Minnesota. 515 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: Matt. 516 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car Doctor, sir. What's going on? Matt's 517 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Mett there, Matt's gone, Well that happens. What can I 518 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: tell you? 519 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: It? Uh? 520 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: It kind of works that way, too bad? I think 521 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: I could have fixed that Chevy Venture because I think 522 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: that vehicle was suffering from load management distress. Let's do 523 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: a piece of email. This comes to from Dan hey Ron, 524 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: longtime listener, first time emailer. Two questions about my twenty 525 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: five Chevy Silverado fifteen hundred and twenty thousand miles ten 526 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: speed trans lt Crew cab. I live in northeast Wisconsin 527 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: and routinely boatfish, ice fish, et cetera. I never understood 528 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: that ice fishing thing. That's gotta be cold, right, I'd 529 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: love a call. If you can't belease, just send email 530 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: back with what you think on these issues. Well, let's see, 531 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: let's do this by phone or let's do this by air, Dean, 532 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: because this is the easiest way for me to do 533 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: it right now. This week I bought this newer Silverlado 534 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: gas truck. I traded in my six Dodge Ram. I'm 535 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: surprised I think didn't have so much rust on it. 536 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, I use my truck to tow my fishing boat. 537 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I probably put six thousand miles a year on my truck, 538 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: but most miles are pulling this boat. If my truck 539 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: doesn't work, I can't go fishing. I like the way 540 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: this guy thinks. It's not that I can't go to work, 541 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: I can't go fishing. I like to do as much 542 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: of my own maintenance on my vehicle's boats as possible. 543 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: Question one, GM recommends using zero twenty eight quarts full synthetic. 544 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm reading from various sources they recommend on this engine 545 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: using five W thirty eight quarts. My gut tells me 546 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: to follow GM's recommendation. Yeah, I would do that. You know, 547 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: GM is going through some stuff now with their engines 548 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: where they're they're having issues. As far as you know 549 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: what oil to recommend on the six twos, you're not 550 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: saying what engine this is. Always say you say this 551 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: is a five to three. So yeah, I would go 552 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: with I would go with what GM recommends, and I 553 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: would use the zero twenty and I think it would 554 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: be fine. I don't believe in what internet trolls have 555 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: to say unless they have the backing to prove it, 556 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: to say, hey, we've you know, tested one hundred thousand vehicles, 557 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand engines, and this is the problem. So 558 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: I would definitely use the full synthetic. 559 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: Like that. 560 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: My main question I did a lot of research on 561 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: this truck before buying it. It didn't take me long 562 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: to run into the dynamic fuel management issues. DFM is 563 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: the newer version of AFM that came out YEP. And 564 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: my logic was basically, should I be replacing the DFM 565 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: and putting a bypass kid in it? And no, because 566 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: I think that you're going to run into issues Number one, 567 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: I think you can run too shoes a warranty. It's 568 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: a twenty five truck. I would be looking more at 569 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: doing proper fluid services, proper oil changes, right, stay on 570 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: top of it. I think with the ten speed trands, 571 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: you're going to find towing the boat is going to 572 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: work that truck a little bit, and you know, you're 573 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: just better off getting into your routine of maintenance. I 574 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: think when you do do things like trans service, I 575 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: would be doing a fluid exchange, and from what I'm 576 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: seeing with regards to the vehicles going through, you know, 577 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: transmission issues early on, I would probably be servicing this 578 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: fluid in the fifty thousand mile range and not waiting 579 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: longer than that. We're seeing a lot of problems with 580 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: the GM ten and eight speeds with fluid contamination problems. 581 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: A lot of times we're finding and we're learning. We 582 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: just learned recently that one of the reasons GM has 583 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: so many problems with their truck transs and the fluids 584 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: are breaking down in that seventy to eighty thousand mile 585 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: range causing chatter and where issues is because they're absorbing 586 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: moisture through the vent hole of the transmission, which is 587 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: breaking down the trans fluid and causing it to not 588 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: work as well as it should. So you know, I've 589 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: been saying this for a very long time. I take 590 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: a lot of heat for it, but I still believe 591 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: that the cheapest thing you can do to any vehicle 592 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: is change the oil, change certain fluids definitely more often 593 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: than manufacturers recommend. Manufacturers are not uninterested in longevity. Manufacturers 594 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: are interested in selling you another vehicle or proven to 595 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: you that under ownership for the first two or three years, 596 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: they don't want you to do any service because it 597 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: doesn't need anything, and it doesn't until it gets the 598 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: years three, four, five, sixty seven and so on when 599 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: you're counting on it to go the distance. Do you 600 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: ever notice you buy a new vehicle and two years 601 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: later you get a postcard saying, Hey, your truck is 602 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: worth this much money, come trade it in. What are 603 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: they telling me that they don't think it's going to 604 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: go another eight years? I never understood that. It just 605 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: made no sense. So but that's ree b Dean. I 606 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: would just do your maintenance, do your due diligence, and 607 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: I'd leave the DFM system alone for now. More to 608 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: come A five, five, five, six nine nine zero zero. 609 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: We're back right after this. You know, we started the 610 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: show talking about relationships in order to repair. I think 611 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: we should end it here too. Carol's a new customer 612 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: to us. She came in this week with her twenty 613 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: one infinity needed a state inspection, New Jersey state inspection, 614 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: and you know, no problem bringing in. Brought it in, 615 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: nice lady, very nice lady. Brought it in Thursday morning, 616 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: if that matters, which I don't think it does. And 617 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: we did a while you wait inspection. And you know, 618 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: during the course of doing the inspection, I noticed that 619 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 1: the oil change sticker was hand written. I don't understand. 620 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: I got a comment on that. I don't understand handwritten 621 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: oil change stickers. In this day and age, there were 622 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: so many options for printers and to me, it's just 623 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: so neat and professional and so easy to see. I 624 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: can't tell you how many vehicles I get in, and 625 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, somebody's penmanship needs to be improved upon, or 626 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: the magic marker phage it doesn't hold up in the sunlight. 627 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: And these non fade oil change stickers just you know, 628 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: to me or the way to go, they're just so 629 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: professional looking. I just again, I don't understand why somebody 630 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: doesn't have one. To me, it's an essential piece of 631 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: equipment and a repair shop as a scan tool. And 632 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: her handwritten oil change sticker which came from the dealership 633 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: I have to point out, which I was really shocked 634 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: at that there's a Nissan dealer out there that's using 635 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: magic marker and white labels to you know, next oil 636 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: change due the oil change sticker said June of twenty five, 637 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: you know. And you know, in case you're wondering, did 638 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: their printer fail that morning? No, because I asked her, 639 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: I said, have they always handwritten stickers? And she said yeah, 640 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: which I thought was just odd, right, just like, huh, 641 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: So here we are, what is this? This is February 642 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: of twenty six, I said, geek Carrol, I said, you know, 643 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: car pass inspection, A nice car, clean car, it's only 644 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: got eighteen thousand miles on it. It's four years old 645 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: or five years old. But I said, you know, I 646 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: don't understand why your oil change is so late. And 647 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: we got into this whole conversation and she said, well, 648 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't go any miles. And you know, I took 649 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: her through the whole you know, Ron's cann story number 650 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: three about oil changes about you know, oil's the cheapest 651 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: thing you can put in the car in the whole 652 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: nine yards. I won't bore you guys with it. And 653 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: she said, but you know, when I go in, she said, 654 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: they look at everything on the car, and I'm very happy. 655 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I get it. I said, listen, 656 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to steal you from wherever you're going. 657 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make you aware that a car 658 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: like this low mileage, oil change is twice a year. 659 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: I said. Otherwise, how are you going to get tire 660 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: pressure done in set correctly? She goes, well, you know 661 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: tire pressure is a problem. I said, how so she goes, well, 662 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: my tires are constantly low on air every time it 663 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: gets hot or cold. I can't understand it, and I 664 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: had to explain the whole tire pressure TPMISS thing to her. 665 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: So you know what, have that relationship with that repair shop. 666 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: Go in and get your ear checked on a regular 667 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: basis as well as regular servicing till the next time 668 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm on an eating and the car doctor. The mechanics 669 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: aren't expensive, they're priceless. See yup.