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Speaker 1: Welcome to a special episode of Stuff. They don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know that we made it back from our

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Speaker 1: time on the road. Yeah. We went all over the place, Boston,

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Speaker 1: and even here in Atlanta. Yeah, we met so many

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Speaker 1: amazing people. We want to thank everyone who came to

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Speaker 1: check out the show. Uh, don't be strangers. Feel free

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Speaker 1: to write to us. Yeah, especially those of you. We

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Speaker 1: actually hung out with some people after shows. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got to meet some people. It was great. Great. Uh

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Speaker 1: it was a grilled cheese. Yeah, it was a grilled cheese,

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Speaker 1: tomato and bacon. Online. So we we had a ton

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Speaker 1: of adventures and we recorded the show. What you're about

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Speaker 1: to hear, folks, is the let's see, this is us

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, right, does our hometown show? Absolutely this this

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Speaker 1: one just it turned out really well. It's that home

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Speaker 1: field advantage. I think we'll see, well, no spoilers, but

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Speaker 1: here we have it, Uh, the Atlanta version of our Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Then once you know live tour, let us know what

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Speaker 1: you think. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome. Oh my gosh, you guys,

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Speaker 1: we did it. We came to our hometown and and

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Speaker 1: and the crowd showed up to see us live. How

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Speaker 1: are you doing. Yeah, it's Sunday. It is all right.

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Speaker 1: We had to check earlier. We have no idea what

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Speaker 1: day it is. At this point. It's been a bit

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming out. Is astonishing to

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Speaker 1: us to record in our hometown live. Now we this

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Speaker 1: we saved it for you for Atlanta. I like your

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Speaker 1: hat by the way. Uh. And we went We went

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of places really yeah, we did. Um.

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Speaker 1: My favorite highlight of the tour was having a lobster

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Speaker 1: They're just lousy with lobsters there and they're all particularly Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then yesterday I I almost died. I choked on

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Speaker 1: It looked like we were going to do a meeting

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Speaker 1: It was just an odd experience, was it was it

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Speaker 1: But they did actually say park Core while they were things.

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Speaker 1: But now we're in a place called Terminal West, which

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Speaker 1: rules do you do? You? Guys ever come out here

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Speaker 1: to see shows like music? Awesome live shows. We're on

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Speaker 1: to do a show. That's why we're here, right, So

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Speaker 1: let's le's get started. Yeah, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name isn't all and they

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Speaker 1: called me Ben. Most importantly, you are you. You are

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Speaker 1: here and that makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. We're joined also by our super producer,

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Speaker 1: Paul Decade. Hey, will you stand please? Let us embarrass

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Speaker 1: you guy. This guy makes our show happen. He uh.

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Speaker 1: We continually cajole him to get on microphone with us.

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Speaker 1: He continually refuses. I know, I know, I know, but

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Speaker 1: stuff works. Oh, I see you, I see some celebrities

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Speaker 1: Paul mission Control Decade, we're finally back. And we were

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Speaker 1: Every city we have been to, including Atlanta, has has

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Speaker 1: we we started we started brainstorming, and we were we

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Speaker 1: were thinking about hidden things, signs, symbols, secret languages, and

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Speaker 1: languages every year, every month, every week, every day? Then

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Speaker 1: are you talking about the shadowy organization that operates out

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Speaker 1: of that five I did buildings over near Arlington, Virginia,

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Speaker 1: where we were that has absolutely nothing to do with pentagrams.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there are a lot of a a

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Speaker 1: and a best Buy. Um, it's true. They're the branding

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Speaker 1: as part of it as well, right, right, It's true. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt the Pentagon is arguably involved, but that

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Speaker 1: want to call it foreshadowy? Yes, okay, then we'll call

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Speaker 1: it foreshadowy. So we're hoping that you join us today

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Speaker 1: as we dive into the strange stories of these signs, languages, signals,

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Speaker 1: and symbols that allegedly influence us everywhere we go. And

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Speaker 1: the institutions are one of them anyway that just loves them. Yes, yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: We're getting those drones for you, says Jeff Bezos. But

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Speaker 1: what's the eye of providence? Oh? Well, in this case,

425
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Speaker 1: we're we're talking about the symbol of a triangle. Right,

426
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: triangle has three angles to it, three sides. What could

427
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Speaker 1: that mean? It's probably the three aspects of God, right,

428
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: father son, you can say with me, holy Spirit? Why

429
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Speaker 1: does Holy Spirit get too? They said that to say,

430
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: it's not, it's not. It's good. Thanks, there's there's this.

431
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: One of the first known appearances of this comes in

432
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: a painting called The Supper of Maus, created by a

433
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: guy named Caravaggio for the Carthusians in like fifteen twenty five.

434
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: But it's not it's not super blatant. This is the

435
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: one though, that contains that there's rays of light that

436
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: we talked about A Yeah, I mentioned exactly the emanating

437
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: from this this triangle, and this painting is what first

438
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Speaker 1: featured that in Like, I think it's a reflection through

439
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: a glass or something. It's pretty subtle, but it's meant

440
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: to be like this divine light of Christ. Somewhat cool. Yeah,

441
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: So if you go even further back in history, you

442
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Speaker 1: will see that this wasn't always called the Eye of Providence.

443
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Speaker 1: It does have some sort of folkloreic precedents, let's say

444
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: in Egypt. Oh, yeah, you're talking about the Eye of Horace,

445
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: a different odd horse of a sky god um that

446
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: was represented by that. I you've probably seen it before.

447
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: It looks like it has some really killer eyeshadow going on. Yeah,

448
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: you probably see like a smoky eye. It is really

449
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: learned a lot from my wife about eyeshadow. It's important.

450
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: It's important stuff. Um. But this, this horse, this god

451
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: horse is also sometimes often depicted as a falcon. You're alive, well,

452
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: and you may you may notice on the other side

453
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Speaker 1: of the bill that we're going to talk about a

454
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Speaker 1: little later. Uh, there's a big old eagle hanging out.

455
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Speaker 1: You think he's got a name, like an official name

456
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Speaker 1: in the parlance of this this symbolism and imagery. What

457
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: he looks Gregory Gregory. Okay, Yeah, that checks out. Yeah, okay,

458
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: so Gregory the Eagle, Gregory the Eagle. Let's fast forward

459
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Speaker 1: to the United States. How did this weird symbol end

460
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: up on the dollars that we're trading and apparently pooping

461
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: on every day? Uh, it's it's a weird story. It

462
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: wasn't always there. The eye itself was not originally on

463
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: the dollar. The pyramid and the eye are both part

464
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Speaker 1: of a much older thing called the Great Seal. Way

465
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Speaker 1: back in seventeen seventy six, around July four, Surprise, Benjamin

466
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Speaker 1: Franklin and John Adams and a few others were thinking

467
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Speaker 1: to each other, how do we make these thirteen states

468
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Speaker 1: look more like more legit? Yeah, yeah, like, how do

469
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Speaker 1: we we want to make an impression? You know what

470
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Speaker 1: we should bring? We need branding, we should get a stamp,

471
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: you guys, like, let's stamp some stuff, you know. And

472
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: so they came up with this great seal. It's approved

473
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Speaker 1: on what June two correct, And these symbols themselves are

474
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Speaker 1: supposed to reflect the beliefs of the founding fathers, some

475
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: pretty standard I would say, beliefs when you're creating a

476
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Speaker 1: new country. Uh what what are these beliefs? Independent enlightenment? Right,

477
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: these are these are important things. But those two ideas

478
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: have something in common with a lot of movements or

479
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: a big movement that was occurring around that same time. Yeah.

480
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: Someone in the audience right now is like, Freemason's I

481
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: know it. I know they were free icy. Yeah, thanks

482
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: for coming. Do we have any Freemasons? Is it your

483
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: grandpapa Freemason? There was some association with my family. Is that?

484
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: Is that all you can say? That's saying we asked

485
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: him this question every show. I'm cool though, I'm cool. Yeah,

486
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: because is it like cop rules. Do you have to

487
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: tell us that you're a mason if we ask? Alright?

488
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Moving on, Moving on. So the front of the seal,

489
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Speaker 1: as you said, not to picks a bald eagle holding

490
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: and olive branch and one claw and uh and arrows

491
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: and the other right piece of war cool, I get it,

492
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: dichotomys that's tight. But the but the reverse side, the

493
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: back of this heal is what shows the pyramid and

494
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: the eye. And the founding fathers said, oh, this represents

495
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: strength and durability. And they're like, why is the capstone floating?

496
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: That's weird And they're like, ah, it's because the pyramids unfinished,

497
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: because you guys, the nation's unfinished, and they were in

498
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin is probably like, oh, think about it, because

499
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: he's totally that type, you know what I mean. Yeah,

500
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: he was kind of an actually kind of dude. He

501
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: was so actually that's like his thing. So if you

502
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: go to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, those are

503
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: the people who make these coupons today. If you go

504
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, you'll find it's

505
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: not on the official tour. You're taking this tour, Yeah,

506
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: is it? Is it cool? Yeah? It's dope, man, Okay,

507
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: should yeah, you still go take a date or something.

508
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: But what what what question do I ask to get?

509
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Like the real line, not not just the official party line?

510
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Who do I talk to you? And what do I say? Yeah, well,

511
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: if you find one of the employees just sort of

512
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: hanging out off the record, they're like, I don't know,

513
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: subway or five guys because they're underpaid and they're just

514
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: willing to dish. So okay, so yeah, what are they saying?

515
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: And then probably you're really really good with strangers, they

516
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: probably want to talk to And that's very kind of

517
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: that's true, It's true. What's what's the unofficial? Okay? So

518
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: the unofficial stuff is pretty much the party line we

519
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: discussed earlier. The pyramids met in some way to symbolize

520
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: the lasting power of the US, similar to the way

521
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: the Pyramids of Old with the test of time. Times. Yeah,

522
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I found out today. If

523
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: you go to the Federal Reserve in Atlanta and you

524
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: take a tour, it's the monet National Monetary Museum. You

525
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: actually will they'll give you a bag of money when

526
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: you leave. Shredd up. Shredded though. That kind of sucks.

527
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: But that's kind of interesting, right You can't like you

528
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: can't like tape it back together. You would, but you

529
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: have to be very it's probably really thin shreds. They

530
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: probably have really solid industrial shredders there. They would have

531
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: to let us know if you do tape back a

532
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: dollar and tell us where to bring them. Just by

533
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: the way, sue the actual dollar, the actual dollar one.

534
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: You saw a pyramid eagle, all the weird stuff. There's

535
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: a hidden owl or spider in there as well. Uh,

536
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: it didn't come about until nine. There's a guy named

537
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: Henry Wallace and he is the Secretary of Agriculture, which

538
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything under President Roosevelt. And

539
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: he sees a pamphlet on the Great Seal, and we

540
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: have a factually accurate historical reenactment of this. He walks

541
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: up to the President and he's like, Rusie boy, you know,

542
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: it's this thing about the Great Seal. It's a get

543
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: the motto. It's Novas Ordos aclora new Order of the Ages.

544
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of like your think you know what it

545
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: was like in the mafia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in this version. Yeah,

546
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, it's like new Deal of the Ages.

547
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: This is perfect. And then Roosevelt says, never call me

548
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: Rosie boy ever again. And then he punches him. But

549
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: he's like a cool idea. I like this, let's go

550
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, And Wallace is like, you know, we

551
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: should put that on a coin or something. That would

552
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: be dope. People love that kind of thing, you know.

553
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: And then Roosevelt they're collectible. They're collectable, you know, they're

554
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: like the original POGs. But no, Roosevelt says, I will

555
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: do you one better, my good sir, and he says,

556
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna put it on the most circulated piece of

557
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: American currency that exists, which is the dollar. Yes, in

558
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: this case, the one dollar silver certificate, right, which means

559
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: that in five when this thing came out, theoretically on

560
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: paper and hopefully in practice, you could walk to someone

561
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: and you could be like, here's the thing, give me

562
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: this much silver, and they would be like, well, he's

563
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: got the certificate or she's got the certificate. They would

564
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: give you silver, which was a big deal. I guess. Yeah.

565
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: You could. You could kill a lot of werewolves if

566
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: you had enough dollars. Huge problems. There was a werewolf epidemic,

567
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: and it was it was hard time. True. There's a

568
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: documentary about that properly. But so so now the question

569
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: is there are no more silver certificates right at least

570
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: actionable silver certificates. So what does this dollar that we've

571
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: been discussing stand for, like in the real world, what

572
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: is its value based on? It's a fiat currency. I

573
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: know everybody in this room knows this, but we're gonna

574
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: talk about it because it's really we really got to

575
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: hit at home for the rest of this episode. Okay,

576
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: currency is not an automobile. No, no, it's not beautiful,

577
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: cute little automobiles. You'll you'll often hear people talk about this,

578
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: how the US dollar is a fiad currency, and that

579
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: just means that the what this is worth, it's not

580
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: backed up by any kind of metal or anything like that.

581
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: It's just it has value because some authority figure in

582
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: this case, a government, says that it has value. It's

583
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: literally a faith rectangle. That's what this is. It's an

584
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: article of faith. We all agreed, and I don't want

585
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: to call anybody out, so I'll call all of us out.

586
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: We all agree to continue to do agree that this

587
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: thing is worth a thing, and we're like to everybody

588
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: wants to be cool, everybody wants to fit in. Someone's like, hey,

589
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I have like twenty of these, and we're all like, oh, nice,

590
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: good job. That's way better than a bed bath and

591
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: beyond coupon. You know what it means if some really

592
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: cool stuff. They do have some steals, they have some boys.

593
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: If you're like my friend Alex over there, you can

594
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: gather up like a hundred thousands of these and they

595
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: will give you a house. Isn't that crazy? But if

596
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: you paid in singles? Can you imagine paying for a

597
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: house with dollars like in a big giant sack would

598
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: be a baller move. I have to say they'd have

599
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: to take it, but they would probably be like, oh,

600
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: so what drugs do you say? They'd make a face. Yeah, yeah,

601
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: those dollars will probably be like cocaine. But but it's

602
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: imperative and crucial to remember that despite the symbols this

603
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: bears US currency itself is a symbol of something else,

604
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: the power behind the paper, if you will, it's it's

605
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: something that is a bookieyman in so many conspiracy theories

606
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: ever since its creation. It's something we call the US

607
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. Oh and we're going to talk about the

608
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. Right after a quick word from our sponsor,

609
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: we're live. Okay, jeez, I keep okay. It's really hard

610
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Speaker 1: to break these habits, you know. We usually we usually

611
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: do this show like in a in like a weird

612
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: shipping container with no windows. I don't really even know

613
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: what time of day it is, and we get an

614
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: electric shock delivered to us by Paul to have to break.

615
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: So we're kind of like Pavlovian dogs of podcasting behaviorism,

616
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Like we're so trained when we're just hanging out, we

617
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: take commercial breaks. But we're back, but we're back. We're back. Okay.

618
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: So here's how it started. The U S has a

619
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: incredibly muddy history with the idea of central banks. That's

620
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: what the Federal Reserve is. A central bank is just

621
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a financial institution that's supposed to make sure the coupons

622
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: the country uses will retain the same value they had

623
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Speaker 1: yesterday and have it in the present day and have

624
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: something like that tomorrow. Mat you made a face, But

625
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: that's that was the train. There's a train like right

626
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: up there and occasionally goes, well, I was trying to

627
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: focus on what Ben was saying. But yeah, the train

628
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: freaked me out there a little bit. We'll go, we'll

629
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: go look for hobo code later, Okay. Yes. So so

630
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: the FED, it turns out, is not not the first

631
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: central bank. In fact, it is the third. It's the

632
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: third try that our country has made at this end.

633
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: The the first one dates all the way back to

634
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton's. Alexander Hamilton's. You know, I think I figured

635
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: out why lin Manuel Miranda decided to write a musical

636
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: about Alexander Hamilton's because it's just the cadence of saying

637
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: that name. It's just perfect. It's beautiful, you know, it's

638
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: just it's a perfect name for for a musical. Alien

639
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: things I haven't done. And you know, we all record

640
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: eyes Alexander Hamilton's from his recent renaissance in the world

641
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: of musicals. Uh, it turns out as a real person

642
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: actually did some stuff. Was a It was the first

643
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: Secretary of the Treasury and was super was was super

644
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: perplexed and worried. After the Revolutionary War, which on the

645
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: other side of the pond they call the American War

646
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: of Independence, somebody asked us that earlier it wasn't the

647
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: peasants uprisings, but I still referred to that probably in

648
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: some circles, Oh sure, sure. And and so Hambleton's believed

649
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: that the US needed some sort of banking authority because

650
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: otherwise he thought the country would be doomed. It turns

651
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: out that wars are crazy expensive, you know. And he

652
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: envisioned this bank as quote, a profit making institution with

653
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: private shareholder is holding full it's it's stock at dilecting

654
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: four fits of its directors. Was it was this ways

655
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: like Oliver Twist or something. Yeah, and this in this

656
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: version is it's pretty much twist. This is highly important though,

657
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Let's not lose any of this a profit making institution

658
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: first of all, and four fives of its directors it's

659
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: stock and directors would be private shareholders for fifths. That's

660
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: a lot of private interest in this giant profit making bank.

661
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: And that that means, I mean that is important. That

662
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: that means that only twenty percent of the steering wheel

663
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: and they would have no idea what a steering wheel is.

664
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: Let's just be clear. It means like of the steering

665
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: wheel belongs to the country affected by this concept, and

666
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: so we would imagine that Hamilton and Co. Had to

667
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: come up with a really good pitch for this, right.

668
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: They were like, we need a name, like a real

669
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: banger name. It's the it's the first. Uh, it's the

670
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: first central Bank of the US. It's the first bank,

671
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: first bank, first bank. How about the first bank? Oh ship,

672
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: great idea, right, and and so they were like, that's

673
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: the best, that's the best. A burst of creativity. Well,

674
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's descriptive, you know. I mean they were

675
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: just trying to be utilitarian with their naming conventions. And

676
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: we'll see this carry on throughout the story. But there

677
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: were people who opposed this idea. We've had Thomas Jefferson,

678
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: James Madison, they were super against it. But despite their outrage, uh,

679
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: it was past. It was created in Congress granted the

680
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: Bank of the United States, the first Bank, a twenty

681
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: year charter and to try it out, just to try

682
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: it out, just give it a go, just twenty that's

683
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: that's twenty that's not a commitment. Right, So then the

684
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: bank's charter comes up, right, Yeah, in eighteen eleven, but

685
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: this time James Madison is president. This guy knows how

686
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: to hold a grudge. He says, no way, not happening.

687
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm in charge now. I don't know what a steering

688
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: wheel is, but I'm probably at it. And we're not

689
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: going to extend this bank. We are firing the bank.

690
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: Critics were on his side. They said this was, uh,

691
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: this was injurious to economic growth. It was holding the

692
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: nation back. But there's something else that's crazy that you

693
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: won't find with a lot unless you dig into it

694
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: a little bit. Remember how we talked earlier about four

695
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: fifths of the first Bank being held by private interests.

696
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Of that, of that, two thirds of the bank was

697
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: owned by private British and British interest Yeah. Like I'm

698
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: stuttering a little because it's weird, right, It's like that's crazy.

699
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: Like imagine it's like imagine you get divorced with from

700
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: someone and you're like, you know, we've we've gotten divorced.

701
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: Uh we should get a credit card, Yeah, joint bank account. Here,

702
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: here's the keys to my house and uh and you can,

703
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, have like three fifths of my cat let's

704
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: do it. What a plan? Right? Uh? And that's mind

705
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: blowing to me. I had never known that ever before. Um,

706
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: And it makes sense because a lot of the money

707
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: was was in British hands at this time, right, but

708
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: still to allow it to occur seems atrocious. Well, that's

709
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: just me, and discontinues for about a year. In eighteen twelve,

710
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: something occurs with another very creative name, now the War

711
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: of eighteen twelve. Yeah, it was a war, and they

712
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: were like, what do we call it? Uh So in

713
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: eighteen twelve, President Madison changes his mind and he says,

714
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: I might not fully agree with this thing, but we

715
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: need something. We need something. Well, it's because things have

716
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: been relatively chill and you know, the there was a

717
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: peace time and I was like, you know, we don't

718
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: need this bank. We're fine without it. And then, almost

719
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: as though there were a pattern, war flares up again.

720
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: It's like ah shah, we gotta figure out how to

721
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: finance this. It's almost though we need some kind of

722
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: central bank. So we'll make another one right right exactly,

723
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: And that's that's what they do. And they say, we

724
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: can only imagine. They say, well, that was kind of

725
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: that was kind of dry the first run. That was

726
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of It's weird that war turns out to be expensive.

727
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: You don't really to get a price break. Who knew

728
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: and uh, they're like, we need a better name, though,

729
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: we need a name that will inspire creativity, ambition, entrepreneurship.

730
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: The Second Bank, that's it. That's it. So in a

731
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: burst of creativity, they're like, let's call the Second Bank

732
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: and you know what you're getting, you know, it's yeah,

733
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: that's right. This last eighteen thirty two branch. President Andrew

734
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: Jackson is in office and he's like, no, this is malarkey.

735
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm done with it. We're out of this. As a result,

736
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: the US had no central bank from the mid eighteen

737
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: thirties to nineteen thirteen, and during this time numerous terrible,

738
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: terrible things occurred. Yeah, they're just crashes all over the place.

739
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: We don't have to ramble them off. But it's like

740
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy three h three. And then this thing happens

741
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen o seven, called the Panic of nineteen o seven,

742
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: which would lead to um some series serious problems. Yeah,

743
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: it was the It was sort of the feather on

744
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: the financial camel's back and the government, the people in

745
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: the government looked round at each other and they were like,

746
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: rump for um parumph, something must be done or own

747
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: forum for umph. And as so often happens in American politics.

748
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: Everyone could agree there was a problem, no one could

749
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: agree how to solve it, and they all hated each other.

750
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound familiar at all, right, Right, So it

751
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: was even a matter of calling one party corrupt or

752
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: one group corrupt, It wasn't. It was a matter of

753
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: which pocket you were in, and well, you're in the

754
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: pocket of special interest. Well you're in the pocket of

755
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: those fat cats at Wall Street. Well I don't know

756
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: which pocket you're in, but screw that pocket, you know. Yeah,

757
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: And this also trickled down to, like, you know, the citizenship.

758
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean, people distrusted these fat cat bankers as you

759
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: refer to them, um a lot, and it was just

760
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: there was no support for this kind of situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

761
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: The years leading up to this, like we've we've seen

762
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: political satire cartoons in the New Yorker and stuff. Back then,

763
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: they were insane. They were not subtle. There was again

764
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: like this this top hat, monocled king, sword wielding banker

765
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: guy coming out to Midwest America putting his hand wrist

766
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: deep in a baby's mouth, pulling out food, and people

767
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: were like, what could be done? Yeah, don't google those

768
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: propaganda campaigns. Okay, they're just they're pretty racist, and there

769
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: were there were also there were also um crazy protest

770
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: public outcry, what are we going to do? You know

771
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: what I mean? The nineteen thirties sees the rise of

772
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: a very serious progressive movement and so often ignored in

773
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: history books today. But even more importantly, the same captains

774
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: of industry, the same political titans who in public hated

775
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: and vilified one another, we're meeting behind the scenes, away

776
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: from the public eye, and just a little bit, just

777
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of a quieter pitch they were going

778
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: around for for all, something must be done around for fun.

779
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: We should maybe like do it so that it lines

780
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: our pockets and our our political cronies pockets and our

781
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: banking bro buddy pockets. Because we're all in a pocket, right,

782
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: everyone in a pocket. So a guy named us, this

783
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: is an important character in the story, guy named Senator

784
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Nelson Aldrich in UM. He gathered a group of said

785
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: banking bros and political cronies, uh, and he called it

786
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: the National Monetary Commission. And the idea was to study

787
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: um potential economic reforms, reforms to the financial system. And

788
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that right, something must be done. Okay,

789
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: let's take some action. Let's let's bring private and public

790
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: interest together and figure out what needs to be done.

791
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: A noble A noble pursuit. There we go. Oh yeah,

792
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: chin up right. And so for two years, the National

793
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Monetary Commission UH investigates this idea of central banks in

794
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: another country. How do you replicate that? How do I

795
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: don't want to be too divisive yet and say, I

796
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: think they were like, how do you make money off this?

797
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: As Nol was saying in November of two years later. Uh,

798
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 1: Senator Nelson. We'll just call him by his first name

799
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: for now and it'll come into play later. Nelson. Uh

800
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: Nelson is in the midst of financial disaster. People are

801
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: literally starving, and uh, he says, you know what, I know,

802
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: it's a I'm a senator and it's my job to

803
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: take care of the American public. But I'm gonna take

804
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: some me time, you know, Like I'm gonna like, when's

805
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: the last time he just traveled for fun? I'm gonna

806
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: take a field trip. And this wasn't widely reported in

807
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: the papers of the time. The few reporters who did

808
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: bother to ask were told that he was going on

809
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: a duck hunt, not the Nintendo game that wasn't around.

810
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: He was going. He was like, yeah, the country's they're

811
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: like the country's burning down. And he's like yeah, but

812
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, like mallards, they just get to me. As

813
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: long as you have that dog, I mean, that's fine, right,

814
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: that dog wasn't That dog was an asshole man, that guy.

815
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: You can control it with the second player controller. How

816
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: is you can control the ducks? The dog just shows

817
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: up like Clippy and Microsoft. The dogs just a dick.

818
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: Don't about the ducks with the second controller. Yes, we

819
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: should do a show about this. We should do a

820
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: Nintendo conspiracy. We should play it. But for now, we're

821
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: talking about an actual duck hunt, or you know, at

822
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: least the notion of an actual duct. So where is

823
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: he conducting this stuff? So you guys have heard of

824
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: a place called Jekyll Island. Have you guys heard of

825
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: this place is? Anyway? Then I went once you went, well,

826
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: I didn't hang out there, right, I can't get in

827
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: and hang out. What do you mean you just like

828
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: we're doing like recon. You were just like checking it out,

829
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: like peeking through the I was in the area hedge Maze,

830
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: like I was in the area. This is a different show.

831
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: But Jackill Island, what's that If you're not from the

832
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: jack Alan it is still and certainly was even more

833
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: so than um an incredibly opulent getaway for the super

834
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: super super one percent of the one percent of the

835
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: one percent rich. Uh to you know, go do their

836
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: things and maybe have secret meetings and pretend duck hunts. Well, Okay,

837
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: so in their defense, by the way, Nelson takes five

838
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: of his buddies, which we'll get to. In their defense, Uh,

839
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: this was not an obviously fake cover story. There is

840
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: a duck hunting season. It starts in November around this time,

841
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: stops for a little bit, it resumes from December to January.

842
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: So maybe they were, Maybe they were hunting ducks. Maybe

843
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 1: they were Like in the end, it doesn't matter, right, right,

844
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: So these his five buddies. It turns out, surprise, surprise,

845
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: I hope this is not a shamala move for everybody.

846
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: It turns out that they were very prominent in the

847
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: world of private banking, and they were very active. The

848
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: thing Nole mentioned earlier, the National Monetary Commission. And despite

849
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: the fact that these fellows had enormous power here in

850
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: the US and abroad. They were afree to be seen

851
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: hanging out with each other. So one by so, Nelson

852
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: Aldrich hooks up this really sick customized rail car, like

853
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: it's it's got mahogany, it's got chrome, it's very uh,

854
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: it's flashy and uh heuh. He decides the best way

855
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: to hide it is to hook it up to a

856
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: train in New Jersey, and one by one, these prominent

857
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: titans and captains of industry sneak onto the train, not

858
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: not using their names, and because I think they had

859
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: they had to have at least like one servant. I

860
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: think they definitely paired down the staff, which was that

861
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: was huge for them, right, But the whole thing they

862
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: had to use only their first name because they wanted

863
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: to maintain some level of anonymity. So who's in there? Yeah,

864
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: So under cover of night, one at a time, these

865
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: guys sneak into this rail car. We've got Frank Vanderlip

866
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: of National City Bank, Henry Davison of Morgan Bank. We've

867
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: got Paul Warburg of the coon Low Investment House. These

868
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: are all names that stick around to this day and

869
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: companies that have gone through various name changes, but are

870
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: still basically doing the same thing. We've got a P. R.

871
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: Andrews from earlier who was then the Assistant Secretary of

872
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: the Treasury Department. And we also have Arthur B. Shelton,

873
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: who was the Secretary of that National Monetary Commission that

874
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: was kind of doing some of the legwork that led

875
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: up to this meeting. And they, you know, they may

876
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: have actually hunted ducks, but on the way they by

877
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: the time they were done, they had discussed and formulated

878
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: a plan in secret to create another central bank. And

879
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: they were like the two times that's a gaming But hey,

880
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: lucky number three, right right, And uh, we've got a question.

881
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: Why why was this meeting held in secret? Well, the

882
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: biggest thing is that they knew and we've kind of

883
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: just touched on it, but they knew that if the

884
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: word got out that they were trying to present this

885
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: kind of idea from both the private and public side,

886
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives of the People that actually represented

887
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: the public of the United States would absolutely shut this

888
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: thing down before it even became a thing, right, So

889
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: they had to keep it as secret as possible. And

890
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: then we're gonna find out a little later because it

891
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: does happen the spoiler alert. Uh, the way they got

892
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: it past was a little right right, Well, I mean

893
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: it makes sense it was associated any anything associated with

894
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: fact way Okay, I gotta stop, all right, So I've

895
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: been using the phrase fat cat a lot tonight. I

896
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: want to apologize. I do have a fat cat at home. Uh,

897
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be disrespectful. His name is

898
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: Mr Jack Potts. I will show you pictures on Instagram

899
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: after the show if you wish. So you should come

900
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: up with a new word then, so you're kind of

901
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: like not throwing your your sweet boys under the bus. Yeah,

902
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: big feeline, I don't know. We just we invested your

903
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: much time, just like uh, anti fat cat prejudice. Right

904
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: here we are. So it's true though, Matt, like, they

905
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: knew that this would immediately be dead in the water,

906
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: and that is why they held this meeting in secret.

907
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: But holding this meeting in secret in nten uh, this

908
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: results in a breeding ground for speculation, right rumor metastasizes

909
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: it becomes conspiracy theory because no one knows what's going on.

910
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: But since we have decided to be here tonight, we

911
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: won't be conspiracy theorists. Let's be conspiracy realists. And that

912
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: means that we can't believe were accept a bunch of

913
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: speculation without fact. So here's a fact for you. There's

914
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: a fact we found. Uh. These guys did not admit

915
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: that this meeting ever happened for years and years and years.

916
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: It was not until the nineteen thirties in the depression

917
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: where we like, well one or two of them said, uh, yeah,

918
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean this thing happened. We didn't really hunt ducks.

919
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: That was just we thought it sounded cool. And they

920
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: called themselves the First Names Club, like we mentioned. So

921
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: by the end of that time on Jackal Island, Aldrich

922
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: and all his his guys had developed this plan for

923
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: a Reserve Association of America, which would be a single

924
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: central bank with branches across the country. And then on

925
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: December twenty three, nineteen thirteen, Woodrow Wilson agreed, he signed

926
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve into existence. Yeah. Yeah, and this was

927
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: December twenty three. Tricky thing. A lot of a lot

928
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: of legislators at home with their families, are back in

929
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: their home state, and there's a tricky thing here. So

930
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: they said, the Federal Reserve banks, the regional reserve banks

931
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: like the one that's here, would be owned not by

932
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: individuals but by commercial banks. So this this means that

933
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: there's not like, um, like, you look responsible, but you

934
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: can't go by a regional reserve bank. And I'm sorry

935
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: that you have to learn it here, but neither can I.

936
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: So I feel bad. But the the thing is these

937
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: banks would be coordinated by a committee that's kind of

938
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: sort of appointed by the president. But yeah, they get

939
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: a list, right, that's kind of the idea. Just slide

940
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: a list across the table, be like, just pick like

941
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: seven cool alright, cool? Yeah. So so then it goes

942
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: to who really owns this thing? Who owns this gargage?

943
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: Wan thing? Uh? The officials governing parts of the system

944
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: can own interest in particular commercial banks, but no one

945
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: officially actually owns those ship riddled dollars that we all

946
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: just robbed at the beginning of the show. In fact,

947
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: the f considers itself independent. Oh yeah, this is this

948
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: is important. Uh, and this it's mind blowing, Okay, And

949
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm truly trying really hard not to just be infuriated

950
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: throughout this entire show. I have been during every show

951
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: that we've done so far in this. Okay, the Federal

952
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: Reserve says the terms of the members of the Board

953
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. Now, when

954
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: you hear this at face value, you would say, oh,

955
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: this is very reassuring. This means that no matter who's

956
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: in the White House, no matter how much I like

957
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: him or her, no matter how long they are in

958
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: the White House, no matter which Senator or House of

959
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: Representatives of person gets elected, my money is safe with

960
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve. That sounds lovely. Yeah, yeah, I hate

961
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: to you here, but that's also kind of terrifying, isn't it,

962
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: because what they're old. You know. Another way to look

963
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: at it is they're saying, no matter who you vote for,

964
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: no matter who's in charge, we're in charge of the money. Yeah,

965
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: they like, you know, you could vote. That's cute. There

966
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: was a quote from Alan Greenspan, who was the Chairman

967
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: of the FED, and you've heard of um. He said

968
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: something to the effect of there is no government body,

969
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 1: there is no elected official that can do anything about

970
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: any of the decisions we make. He just very brazenly

971
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: said that out loud and like, yeah, so that's that's

972
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: the vibe that we're working with with the Fed here,

973
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: there's been to be reassuring. So officially this system is

974
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: a bulwark, right, That's what it provides. It stabilizes these

975
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: faith rectangles. I love that phrase, thank you for me

976
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: that Matt made that one. That was great. And it

977
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: stabilizes the dollar against the ups and downs of the uncarrying, chaotic, ridiculous,

978
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: horrible place that we live in. And the thing is,

979
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter why you believe. It was created without

980
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: the consent of the American public. No one voted on it,

981
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: no one can vote on it. It is also arguably

982
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful financial institutions in the world. Pyramid,

983
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: lidless eye, creepy Latin catch phrases, the whole nine yeah,

984
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: and ah oh man, I'm just gonna I'm gonna bring

985
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: it back to this. In the more than a hundred

986
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: years following its creation, more and more people are asking

987
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: is there more to this story? Is it just this

988
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: organism station that exists outside of the control of the

989
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: voting people of the United States, or is it more sinister?

990
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. I love it when he

991
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: does that. I love it. Well, it's true, It's true

992
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: we're going into crazy territory now. So I hope you're comfortable,

993
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: because maybe you'll be uncomfortable at the end of this.

994
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: The the most popular and most prevalent, most prominent conspiracy

995
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: theory about the Federal Reserve is that rather than mitigating

996
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: or preventing financial disaster, the Fed creates financial catastrophe to

997
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: manipulates the money supply for the benefit of member banks

998
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: and most importantly, the shareholders or the owners of those

999
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: member banks. So no one can own a regional reserve bank,

1000
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: but anyone can buy shares in a commercial bank. It's

1001
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: just a question of how many you own. And and

1002
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: this this argument, uh, this argument proposes that we the

1003
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: public are taught that financial disasters occur through two things,

1004
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: accident or incompetence subprime loans, right right, And the the

1005
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: argument is that the opposite is the case. And this

1006
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: is a really weird one to us because it unites

1007
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: people across a political divide. Yeah, it really does. By

1008
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: the way, we've been on the road a lot. Has

1009
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: something been happening with the stock market. We haven't exactly

1010
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: been keeping up, but I just noticed all the lines

1011
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: were read when I looked at my phone, earlier. Everything's okay,

1012
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: We're all okay. We still my mom sent me a

1013
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: text about it and said that my inheritance was dwindling

1014
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: away as he speaks. So yeah, I'm gonna have to

1015
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: make this podcast. Came with it. Yeah, it's it's weird though,

1016
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: because this is um this is a conspiratorial belief that

1017
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: unites people on either side of the sort of circusy

1018
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: political techotomy. And you will find people who consider themselves

1019
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: libertarians and they're like, yeah, I read in the FED

1020
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: that's messed up. But then there are people on the

1021
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: far left who are like, you know, eat the rich,

1022
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: screw the Fed, let's just get rid of it. And

1023
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: they're like, you know what, You're right. Once again, everyone

1024
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: can agree that there is a problem, no one can

1025
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: agree how to solve it. Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph, harrumph. The

1026
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: most famous stories are conspiratorial beliefs about the Federal Reserve

1027
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: come from a specific book. Yes, it's called The Creature

1028
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: from Jekyl Island by this author named G. Edward Griffin.

1029
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: Like a like a black lagoon kind of situation, or

1030
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: what's the creature? Is the Fed? I get it? I

1031
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: gotta got creaking in that meeting, and it emerged, and

1032
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: then it got on that rail car and it headed

1033
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: back towards New York. I'm just I'm making all that up,

1034
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: but I can imagine into it. I can imagine it.

1035
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: So he considers the Federal Reserve more than just this

1036
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: simple tool to control Americans via debt. We're not controlled

1037
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: by debt. We're fine. Nobody has any student loans or

1038
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: mortgages here. We're good. We're good. Oh, Matt, my my

1039
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: my girlfriend is here tonight. Hey Brandy. Can everybody say

1040
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: hey Brandy, Hey Brandy? Hey, uh and uh. And we've

1041
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: had some tension because my my primary girlfriend is Sally May.

1042
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: It was accustomed to a certain light. Oh I'm gonna

1043
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: pay for that's Sally May anymore. It's something called navyant.

1044
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: Came out of nowhere, and all of a sudden, it's

1045
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: like it's not Sally anymore. Now, it's now it's navyant.

1046
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: And I guess I have no choice but to pay

1047
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: a navyant now. But you know, right, And the idea

1048
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: with Creature from Jack o'l Island is that this this

1049
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: practice has been expanded and franchised out to other countries

1050
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Speaker 1: and that the Federal Reserve is using the practice of

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: deceiving people through chicanery, which we looked up earlier. It's

1052
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: a new word for us. Yeah, is deceiving people or

1053
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: is state actors to fall into debt and then using

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01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: that to using that debt to control the actions of

1055
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: those countries. But he's got a lot of critics. Griffin

1056
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: has a ton of credits. Well, and wouldn't that kind

1057
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: of be the way, um that the British interests that

1058
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're part of the original First Bank or whatever,

1059
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: could have potentially exercised that kind of control back over

1060
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: the colonies right by having that much of a steak

1061
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: in the First Bank. Yeah, I mean it's possible. The

1062
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: problem that we're running into here is that g Everard

1063
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: Griffin took that train. Sorry, go ahead, I gotta make

1064
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: a t There's some delicious food here, or there was.

1065
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: I guess they stopped serving it. Wait, what's the what's

1066
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: what's the beef though? Oh yeah, the beef is Let

1067
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: me just recalibrate here. Boo boo. He took he took

1068
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: the pearl that's at the center of the oyster of

1069
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: that secret meeting and then he created a whole bunch

1070
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: of stuff around it. Um that he kind of it's

1071
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: not necessarily pulling out a thin air, but he's creating

1072
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: a conspiracy from that real thing he's engaging. Yeah, it's dangerous,

1073
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: it's it's dangerous. I'm gonna get off my soapbox. Let's

1074
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: keep going with the show. No, no, it's fine. It's

1075
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: just a soapbox. Is a segment that we will happen.

1076
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: It just happens a lot these days where there is

1077
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: this one little grain of truth which is on this show.

1078
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: It's what we try and do we find that grain

1079
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: of truth, Right, that's the most interesting thing for me personally,

1080
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: And this guy did that. But then he just kept

1081
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: going down a rabbit hole and he wrote this book

1082
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: that is fascinating, but a lot of it probably is,

1083
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: and it's just not factual. And the most one of

1084
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: the most salient questions that you get from this book

1085
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: if you if you read it, is the essential thing

1086
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: the gist boils down to this, could someone actively purposefully

1087
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: and successfully manipulate something as gargantuan as the US economy

1088
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: and therefore, you know, the international economy. The answer to

1089
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: that is yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely to a scary degree.

1090
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: Like think of Warren Buffett. He could he could tweet

1091
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: today and sink a company's true. Yeah. Or you got

1092
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: like Jeff Bezos or Carlos slim Halou or any of

1093
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: these other profoundly disgustingly rich human people that can, like

1094
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: you said, just by communicating their intent to do something,

1095
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: or you know, they're some kind of diversification that might happen.

1096
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: It can change the entire course of at least segments

1097
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: of the economy. Yeah, And that's the question that The

1098
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: question then is does it mean that the FED could

1099
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: do the same thing. The FED is a group of people,

1100
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: and there are multiple avenues of over site. And I'm

1101
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: not going to presume to know about your friends, but

1102
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: have you ever tried to order pizza with a group

1103
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: of eight or more people? It gets really nasty, really quickly.

1104
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: And and that's just pizza. That's just like the argument

1105
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: over whether or not someone likes pepperoni or is gluten free.

1106
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: And this is this is talking about one of the

1107
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: most important financial instruments in the world. So it's it's

1108
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: kinda I don't know, it's it's kind of difficult to

1109
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: digest it but but we found another, we found another

1110
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. This is I A would say this is

1111
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: like my second favorite. Oh yeah, yeah, this is a

1112
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: this is a great one. We've done an episode that

1113
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: kind of touched on this before in the past. Um.

1114
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: But again, it kind of goes back to where you

1115
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: were talking about all the whether or not there's British

1116
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: control over their former colonies. Still, yeah, the idea is that. Okay,

1117
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: So in this one, the Federal Reserve is now a

1118
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: foreign banking institution, is control old by the British, and

1119
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: the British are still super piste about the Revolutionary War.

1120
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: It's like their main thing. They're like, we have a

1121
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: lot of problems, but damn it, w it's time to

1122
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: go back, you know. And someone's like, hey, maybe we

1123
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: should fix unemployment. Hey maybe we should look at immigration.

1124
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: And then like the Queen turns around in a swivel chair.

1125
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: It's like, no, let's be weird, butting me back my colonies.

1126
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: And in this, in this idea, it goes a step

1127
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: further and they'll say, oh no, no, no, no, no,

1128
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: no no no, Matt's nol ben Michian control. This is

1129
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: not a matter of the Queen. It's a matter of

1130
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: the true power behind the throne in the in the

1131
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: world of the United Kingdom. It is the Rothschild family.

1132
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: You knew they were going to be here at some point.

1133
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: It's yeah, there are a lot of just the the

1134
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: targets that are aimed at with a lot of these conspiracies,

1135
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve, the Rothschild's Britain, we're hitting them all

1136
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: to it's a real just doing the hits. Folks. We

1137
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: had a Rothschild actually, or somebody said they were Rothschild

1138
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: in a few cities ago. But but but who are

1139
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: the Rothschilds. Yeah, so it was a huge influential family

1140
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: that is the very old family as well, founded by

1141
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: Mayor Armshell Rothschild, and they amassed enormous amounts of wealth

1142
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: in multiple areas segments including finance of course, but also

1143
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: over the generations. They've diversified in a in a very

1144
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: big way. They're active and wine and like technology, mining,

1145
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: the bond market, arms trade, just about anything you can

1146
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: think of. They probably got their hands in it in

1147
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: one I mean, it's a huge family as well, and

1148
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: they're so diversified and spread out with the various members

1149
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: of the family. It's almost tough to kind of trace

1150
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: the money and understand exactly how much the entire family

1151
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: is worth and how much influence they wield exactly. And

1152
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: this is this is a huge deal. My dad is

1153
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: in the audience tonight and he was an accountant at

1154
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: this private club for a while, and he can tell

1155
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: you the difference between old money and new money. And

1156
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: with with old money, it's all of these It's just

1157
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: a tiered uh succession of of inheriting fortunes, and each

1158
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: one just then becomes another fortune. And then the fortune

1159
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: just spreads out to this point where you go, oh, yeah,

1160
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: I'll join that club for fifty dollars, no problem. And

1161
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: that kind of wealth is it's intense. And then but

1162
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: this goes back to the same question. This presumes that

1163
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: this family, this large influential family, somehow cooperates and moves

1164
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: in unison like what happens today. You get together once

1165
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: a year and they're like, Oh, what's our what's our

1166
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: weird thing gonna be this time? You know, I, I

1167
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: doubt I don't know your relatives, but I have never

1168
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: been that cooperative with my own. Again, that pizza example

1169
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: comes from like utter financial control of an entire country's

1170
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: monetary system on the table for you and your family.

1171
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you figure we can maybe swing Tennessee, but

1172
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: that's it, you know. But but this, this is interesting

1173
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: because there's a paradox in this idea. There's a bit

1174
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: of double thing, right. The same people who say, oh,

1175
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: the UK wants to control the US because they are still,

1176
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: again for some reason, cartoonishly pissed about the Revolutionary War,

1177
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: they will also say, but the United Kingdom doesn't really

1178
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: control itself. It's owned by this elite banking cabal, and

1179
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: they're the ones who are really who are really making

1180
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: the decisions. And that sort of invalidates the beginning of

1181
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: their idea. That means that this, in this conspiracy, it's

1182
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: really an economic proxy war between like one family and

1183
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: then maybe a couple of families here in the US.

1184
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense, but the Rothchild family shows up

1185
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: in so many of the stories, so many pieces of

1186
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: this folklore tradition. We have a we have one that

1187
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: we found that we we really enjoy and it doesn't

1188
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: take place sun Land. It does feature the rothchilds Uh.

1189
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: It takes place at c barbershop Quartet. This one conspiracy

1190
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: at CC, conspiracy at CSP mats. You have a beautiful

1191
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: singing voice. I was not prepared. I did not prepare

1192
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: them for that. Just totally pull that out, and you

1193
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: guys really did a good job. Thank you for humor

1194
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: trot to be. That's conspiracy with it s e a

1195
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: at the end, by the way, and we're not talking

1196
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: about the conspiracy Cruise, which is apparently a thing we

1197
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: we've never been invited to participate on that, but we're

1198
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: talking about something else entirely. So there's this even more bonkers,

1199
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: in my opinion, conspiracy theory that the Rothchild family, in

1200
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: league with their banking crony and Federal Reserve cheerleader JP Morrigan,

1201
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: was directly responsible for sinking a supposedly unsinkable ship. You

1202
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: may have seen a film about with the Heart of

1203
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: the Ocean and the hands on the steamy window and

1204
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: the new drawings that well, I I've really in this

1205
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: tour come to realize that I saw that movie like

1206
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: ten times when it came out in theaters, when I

1207
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: was like, you know, eleven or something, and I was like,

1208
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: why did I Why did the eleven year old me

1209
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: like that movie so much? And we've traced it back

1210
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: to to the new drawings. It was the painting scene.

1211
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: Somebody called called you out. Yeah, somebody in the audience

1212
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: call me out, and it's like, you know what that's

1213
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: that's pretty much accurate. Although it is a beautiful love story.

1214
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: Although it doesn't make sense though, why didn't she make

1215
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: room for dude? Okay, I said that like a million times.

1216
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: That's my main It's just, you know, she's hogging the door.

1217
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: She let's Leonardo DiCaprio go, And let's be honest, he's

1218
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: not a super big guy. He could have fit on there.

1219
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: And uh, I feel like she was just looking for

1220
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: a convenient into a romance. But I'm gonna say it,

1221
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: she ghosted. She ghosted on him or James Cameron was

1222
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: looking for a convenient plot device, is my argument there.

1223
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, how well did wars flow? What about that

1224
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: old couple? Though? Remember now it's been a while, okay,

1225
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: so hey know what ship are we talking about? You know,

1226
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: this had the Titanic, the RMS Titanic, that's the full

1227
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: proper name. So, um, if proved to be be true,

1228
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: this thing, we're about to enter the realm of wild speculation.

1229
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: That's what this segment of the show is called. It's

1230
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: called the Realm of Wild Speculation a k a. Conspiracy

1231
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: at c UM. So it proved to be true, this

1232
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: would surely go down in history as like one of

1233
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: the most batshit, heavy handed or possibly genius assassinations in

1234
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: the history of the world. So let's let's jump. Let's

1235
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: jump right in. Let's do it, um, let's wade into

1236
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: these icy waters. Yeah, exactly. So, JP Morgan and co.

1237
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: Financed the International Mercantile Marine Company UM, which was an

1238
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: Atlantic shipping company that kind of strong armed its way

1239
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: into dominance in this industry by you know, doing what

1240
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 1: these kind of companies do, absorbing some smaller, weaker shipping

1241
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 1: companies from America and Britain. UM. One of the I

1242
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: m c C subsidiaries was a company called the White

1243
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: Star Line, which owned the RMS Titanic. So Morgan himself

1244
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: was actually booked to be on this doomed Maiden voyage,

1245
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: but he canceled at the last minute, citing like tummy

1246
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: troubles or something. He wasn't feeling well, he was unwell. Yes,

1247
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,520
Speaker 1: it's really sad, UM. But you know, fortunately or unfortunately

1248
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: for them, UM, there were plenty of captains of industry

1249
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: and that your fat cats been on this ship. Because Matt,

1250
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: you did a good job of describing this in the

1251
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of context of this particular idea, you could look

1252
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: at this thing is like a giant honey trap for

1253
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: the affluent. Let's get them all here, get them all

1254
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: in one place, and then we'll take them out. Yeah,

1255
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: if we're gonna go along with this conspiracy theory, which

1256
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: is kind of ridiculous on the face of it, But

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01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: if we go along with it, uh what, We're already

1258
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: there in the speculation part. But if we go along

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: with it, this kind of could be a perfect trap

1260
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have a lot of the people that

1261
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: you may want to target that don't hold the same

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01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: beliefs about financial systems. You might get them on this ship.

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01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: And you actually have a pretty good chance of doing that,

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01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: just because it was such a spectacle at the time,

1265
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: and the people that you're targeting are some of the

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: most opulent and they want to do things like be

1267
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: on a Titanic. Oh, let's just put that out there.

1268
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: It could be a good trap. But okay, okay, So

1269
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm sensing some sinisters stuff here, nol Uh.

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01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: Who who were they targeting? Were they targeting specific people? Well,

1271
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean there there are the three main ones that

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01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: are mentioned and the stuff that I've read about this story.

1273
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: But like you said, Matt, I mean it was an

1274
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: absolute playground of of the rich and powerful. So I

1275
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: think if there is any truth through this at all,

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01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: it would be include people outside of this set. But

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01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 1: we have Benjamin Gouggenheim, who made a fortune in mining

1278
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: and smelting operations, is it or Strauss who was the

1279
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: co owner of Macy's and also a powerful politician and

1280
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: a businessman. And then John Jacob Astor, the fourth of

1281
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: the Astor family, which is one of the most powerful

1282
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: and wealthy families of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. He

1283
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: was a builder, a real estate tycoon, and investor, you

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: name it. Um, So these are the three that are cited.

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: One thing that they have in common and everything we

1286
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: read about this is that they were against the Federal Reserve.

1287
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: They did not want this to happen, and they had

1288
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: enough clout um and street cred to possibly further weight

1289
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: around and maybe stand in the way of this happening. Yeah,

1290
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: and then um, all Morgan had to do is just

1291
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: strategically placed that iceberg and it was all ahead, right ahead.

1292
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: So so what how does this all shake out? Well?

1293
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: Speculated wildly, mind you that one of the things that

1294
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: these guys had in common, like we said, was opposition

1295
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve. I've also seen it as opposition to

1296
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: income tax, but those things are kind of conflated in

1297
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: this story. Um. But the ship sank uh in April

1298
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: of nineteen twelve, and the FED was formed the very

1299
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: next year. So this here's the thing that this proved

1300
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: to be financially disastrous for Morgan's company, the I M

1301
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: c c UM the company file for bankruptcy protection in

1302
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen. Um, So why would JP Morgan ruin his

1303
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: own company by sinking this unsingable ship? And how would

1304
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: he even do it? Because the arguments that I've seen

1305
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: were like he had to have influenced the captain of

1306
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: the ship to like mess up, and um, you know,

1307
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: there's also stories about how there weren't enough lifeboats that

1308
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 1: this thing was doomed to begin with. There were issues

1309
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: with like the technology where the compartments like magnetically sealed,

1310
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 1: like trapping people in all of this, I mean it

1311
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: was a whole There's all kinds of things just about

1312
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 1: the Titanic seeking in general, um that are a little off.

1313
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: But why would he actively do this, uh and cause

1314
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: the ruin of his own company and and something that

1315
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: he would cause him to lose a lot of money?

1316
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: Does this mean that he Opts really had nothing to

1317
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: do with it or was it maybe like the perfect alibi?

1318
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: I think more likely the first one. But it's fun

1319
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: to think about, and like you were saying, Matt, with

1320
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: these seeds of truth in these grains, this is one

1321
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: of those. I think there's some um. It points to

1322
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: this idea of incredibly rich and powerful people going to

1323
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: any length that they need to to get their way.

1324
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: And this would, again, if proven to be true, would

1325
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: be a pretty elaborate Rube Goldberg esque example of that. Um,

1326
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: because you're making the evidence fit your narrative can do.

1327
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: It's just so it's so weird because there were more

1328
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: than people on the Titanic, and then if they're just

1329
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: killing they're just seeking this ship to kill three people?

1330
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: That what is that the cost of doing business? It's

1331
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: called collateral damage, my man. Okay, So the same way

1332
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: that a bank makes several billion dollars and they're like,

1333
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: we gotta find two two hundred million dollars. She's because

1334
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: given what we know about these how these like shadowy

1335
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: banking brows are able to rake in the profits off

1336
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: of the backs of American expayers. Maybe the loss of

1337
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: a little shipping company might be worth the exchange of

1338
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: utter control and dominance and lifelong profits that no one

1339
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: can ever vote you out of making. So who knows.

1340
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it is just the cost of doing business. Two questions,

1341
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: two questions. Okay, so, um, doesn't it sound a little overcomplicated,

1342
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: Like couldn't they just poison someone or have like a

1343
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: horse accident or something. Well, it's like I said, I mean,

1344
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: these are the three that are named, But I mean that,

1345
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they just wanted to like bump off,

1346
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: like all of these these fat cats. It's not about

1347
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: the money, it's about sending a message that's probably true.

1348
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now, this is definitely most likely completely bunk,

1349
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of fun to talk about. And

1350
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: and when when you were you were doing this research,

1351
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: you you found some unanswered questions, like about these three

1352
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: guys stances to right, Like, yeah, I mean, there was

1353
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: nothing like really out there that was them, just like

1354
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: totally soap boxing about how they hated the Fed. There

1355
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: were just some things about like their business practices and

1356
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: their politics that were slightly anti Fed leaning. But it

1357
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: was a little unclear as to why these three guys

1358
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: in particular would have been the most problematic. But but

1359
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: they did actually die on the boat. They did, in

1360
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: fact die on the boat. It's true. Let's move on

1361
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: to the next one. Boys, let's do it. Isn't here. Yeah,

1362
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to you about this. Before we mentioned

1363
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: that five sided building called the Pentagon. Well, guess what,

1364
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: here's a conspiracy theory that perhaps the Federal Reserve exists

1365
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: in some way as an extension of the United States military.

1366
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, now this is a little like

1367
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: a noodle, but let's get into it. There's some compelling

1368
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: evidence that in several cases, this country has fought wars

1369
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: specifically to preserve the ascendancy of the US dollar. A

1370
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: lot of times we refer to it as the petro

1371
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: dollar because it's it's it's tied to oil in a

1372
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: lot of ways. We've gone over that before in an episode,

1373
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: or check it out if you if you want to

1374
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 1: learn more about that. But in this case, we're talking

1375
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 1: about evidence that's been provided by a gentleman and author

1376
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 1: named John Perkins. Yeah, yeah, right, you're talking about Confessions

1377
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,919
Speaker 1: of an Economic hit Man. Uh. It's I would describe

1378
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: it as a book, you know, like it's it's he

1379
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 1: wrote it. It's there, but he makes some interesting observations.

1380
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: For years and years and years, Perkins worked in the

1381
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: quasi government quasi uh private sector as ostensibly an economists,

1382
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: but according to his recounts of the events, his real

1383
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 1: job was to travel to developing countries and to broker

1384
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: huge loans for infrastructure repairs and to uh to beguile

1385
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: the people and lie to them essentially about about how

1386
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: effective or not effective this a structure would be, in

1387
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: about how affordable or not affordable it would be. So

1388
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: just imagine you're in a place where the lights don't

1389
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: always work. You sometimes get the bad water, right with

1390
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: the hobocode thing earlier, and then someone says, hey, not

1391
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: only can we give you clean water all the time,

1392
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: not only could give you power all the time, but

1393
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: it will be a steal. It will be so great

1394
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: for your country. You will make so much money, and

1395
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 1: there's just like one small detail. We only accept payments

1396
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: in US dollars and just by the way, right, like you,

1397
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: you might have your own currency, that's very endearing, good hustle,

1398
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: but we are a dollar business. And through the power

1399
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: of this economic influence, the argument goes, or his story goes,

1400
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: they brought other countries to heal and force them into

1401
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: deals with multinational US based conglomerates, you know what. And

1402
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: the whole point is that they're loaning you an ungodly

1403
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: amount of money that you will never pay back. It

1404
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: sounds familiar, right, a lot of money that you'll never

1405
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: pay maybe thirty years maybe if you're lucky, mortgage, but yeah, anyway,

1406
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: if your giant company, you're getting, you know, perhaps billions

1407
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: of dollars and this in these U s dollars that

1408
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: you don't have that you're supposed to pay back somehow,

1409
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: and ultimately you just end up doing the bidding of

1410
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: whatever this lender wants you to do, at least within

1411
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: this the realm of this conspiracy theory. So it's actually

1412
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: not that implausible if you think about it. We don't

1413
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: have to agree with Perkins, like forty thousand foot view,

1414
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: as they say, a corporate America. We don't have to

1415
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: agree with his big picture. The very disturbing thing about

1416
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: this is that several of the cases he recounts are true.

1417
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: They're absolutely true. Indonesia is a fantastic slash frightening example.

1418
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: And read the book if you want, read the Wikipedia.

1419
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna believe about it. Just let us know

1420
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: what you think and think about how the actions of

1421
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: the FED and the actions of the US dollar affect

1422
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: countries abroad. The world is an increasingly smaller place. But

1423
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 1: speaking of fantastic segues, it turns out that we are

1424
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: headed toward the most wonderful time of the year. Yeah,

1425
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: we only have a few days right right now. Oh

1426
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 1: my gosh, what's your costume going to be? I'm buzz

1427
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: My wife is going to be Jesse, and my three

1428
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: year old son is going to be Woody. Oh man, Yes,

1429
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: we're adorable. That is the that's right for us. The

1430
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: most wonderful time of the year is Halloween. So we

1431
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: wanted to save our last crazy notion, the craziest one

1432
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: we heard for the very end, and it's this. Okay,

1433
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: go with me here, Pretend we're we're all at the

1434
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 1: same bar and it's like two am right, Okay? So

1435
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: uh so what if? What if? What if? What if

1436
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve, instead of a financial institution, is an

1437
01:22:55,720 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: occult institution. Ship They're the people really believe this. We

1438
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: didn't make this up. Uh. The idea is that what

1439
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: if every single dollar spent treated from one party to

1440
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: another is actually a spell. I'm not gonna get this

1441
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: poop on it, man, I'm not gonna so. So for

1442
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: some fringe researchers, this means that the FED is way

1443
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: more Slytherin than systemic. It's been way more like Warlocky

1444
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: than White House, you know. And if the dollar is

1445
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: is a spell cast by some strange cabal, then the

1446
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: following assumptions have to exist. Well, it's like this idea

1447
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: of exchanging energy or or somehow boarding energy through the

1448
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: exchange of currency, which again has this imaginary value, and

1449
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: the one of the proponents of this theory talks about

1450
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 1: how it's all about like a dollar represents energy because

1451
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: when you are spending it, you are paying for a

1452
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: service or something that would require time to do, or

1453
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 1: actual physical energy. So somehow this system they can harness

1454
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: this and kind of hoard it somewhere and use it

1455
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: for some purpose. But here here the assumptions that are required.

1456
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: What's the first one is that magic, at least this

1457
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: type of magic is real. That's cool. We've got the

1458
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: reproducible reproducible, right, Yeah, We've got this idea of a

1459
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: secret group of people not only exists but cooperates. And

1460
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about how hard cooperation can be. UM. But

1461
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: to work this magic and accrew this energy from billions

1462
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: of other people, um, and that some portion of this

1463
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: um can actually be stored and used in some nefarious way.

1464
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: You mean, like stored up in giant bank vaults in

1465
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: places where you could store all your energy, or maybe

1466
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: in the stock market, or in the Illuminatous trilogy, that

1467
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: kind of energy is stored in the Pentagon from traffic

1468
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: dost exactly. Look a different book, right, and a work

1469
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: of fiction as far as we know. But it's it's

1470
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: a tall order. This is spooky stuff, right to people

1471
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: who believe that the FED is actively some kind of

1472
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 1: evil Harry Potter thing voldemortine its way through the uh

1473
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: international financial system. The symbols on the dollar represents something else, entirely,

1474
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: something that the Bureau of Engraving does not mention in

1475
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: this idea that all seeing I on the floating capstone

1476
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: is not the eye of Providence. Instead, it is the

1477
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: eye of Satan. Sorry I watched you. I'm so sorry.

1478
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's the eye of Lucifer morning Star. And

1479
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: the light represents a different sort of illumination. Yeah, exactly

1480
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: in this case, it's um, it's Lucifer's light, right, the

1481
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: illuminated one, just like that illumination global unlimited. That which,

1482
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: by the way, thanks you for all for joining us tonight. Um,

1483
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: there is there is kind of a little ritual we

1484
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: have to do as we exit for them. Um, well,

1485
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later. Yeah, you'll notice you. It'll

1486
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: be fun. Yeah, okay. But but this also, this light,

1487
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: this light is meant to symbolize in this idea, the

1488
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: light of the illuminated ones those who are aware of

1489
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: this mechanism. But the light has a double meaning of

1490
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: this idea, and it's the idea that you and us

1491
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: and your cousin that you probably should call check in

1492
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:34,480
Speaker 1: on them after the show, that we are ourselves transparent

1493
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: to this gaze and incapable of holding secrets and then

1494
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: there's this whole other thing with the eagle. Right. Well, well,

1495
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: first of all, before we get to the eagle, just

1496
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: that whole idea that we can't hide anything from this

1497
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: organization or the most powerful people, can we just one

1498
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: more time we talked about all the time, we're all

1499
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 1: walking around with a syrie in our pockets. We get home,

1500
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: there's a Google Home hanging out there, and Alexa just

1501
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: chilling on. What's that you said? Oh, just keep talking,

1502
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: It's fine, just keep talking. I'm listening. I am listening.

1503
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Or you know, we've got a camera that I've got

1504
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: covered up. By the way, Ben has covered up Nolan's,

1505
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,560
Speaker 1: You're just covered up. I don't care you're going for

1506
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: They can have my precious data as long as I

1507
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 1: can play Pokemon Go. I'm just saying, we don't need

1508
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: we don't need this to be an all seeing eye

1509
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 1: and actuality. We're already doing it to ourselves. Bros. Okay,

1510
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: all right, are you good? I'm fine. Let's just do

1511
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: what it keeps keep going, good keeping doing a commercial breaker.

1512
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 1: Now it's way so the eagle. Then in this idea,

1513
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: there's a colt idea is not the bald eagle what

1514
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: do we call him Gregory? It's not it's not your

1515
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: pal greg Instead, it's it's taken from ancient pagan symbolism.

1516
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: And people who believe this will say, well, well, you

1517
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: know Nol, you know Matt that uh, That eagle was

1518
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: also used to sit in the Roman Empire, and again

1519
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 1: it was used as an icon for a certain German

1520
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: regime during World War Two. Is Benjamin Franklin talking here?

1521
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: This is this is a historically accurate Benjamin Franklin somehow

1522
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: aware of the nineteen forties. I told you guys the

1523
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: hits the Nazis made in appearance. They of course all

1524
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: the hits, uh, and the Nazis were weird, just show

1525
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: up in everything, dude. The full society was a real thing,

1526
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: and there was some occult stuff going on there. Look up,

1527
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: ridiculous thing. But this this also leads to uh differing

1528
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: more esoteric mentions of numbers, because the lies people believe

1529
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: in numerology as well. So it doesn't matter what you

1530
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: care about. Just aesthetically, there's a there's a ship ton

1531
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: of groupings of thirteen on the dollar, like they went

1532
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: all in, what are what are some examples we got

1533
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 1: the thirteen stars, thirteen stripes in the flag, thirteen arrows

1534
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: that Greg is clutching and his little little egal talents.

1535
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: We got thirteen leaves and berries in the olive branch,

1536
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: thirteen letters in the phrase, um give it to me

1537
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: an equiptus, Thank you, Ben. And then we have we

1538
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: have us at thirteen layers in that creepy pyramid. Yeah,

1539
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: what else do we have thirteen of when we founded

1540
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: this country? Colonies? So totally makes sense. It's fine, it's

1541
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: just thirteen colonies, right, Yeah, but we're we're really like

1542
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 1: going down this numerological rabbitle. Maybe the founding fathers like,

1543
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: it's got to be thirteen. You've gotta have thirteen because

1544
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna make the spell work. Yeah, And

1545
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: so I was like, why are you freaking out? We

1546
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: got nine? That's solid, And they were like, no, man,

1547
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: we've got a thing we're gonna do later. But but

1548
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 1: to be absolutely clear, the off chance that someone is

1549
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: frightened about this, uh, the there is none of this

1550
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: stuff has been proven. None of this stuff has been

1551
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: proven in a way that people accept or at least

1552
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: when we say that, we mean that no one has

1553
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 1: come to us and said, ah, ship. You guys figured

1554
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: it out. Was it we had a good run? Was

1555
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: it thirteen? Were there too many? Thirteen? We were worried

1556
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: about the thirteens? But my god, you guys. Uh so,

1557
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: no one, no one has proven this. But it is

1558
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: true that the Federal Reserve was conceived and founded as

1559
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: the result of a genuine conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.

1560
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 1: These people conspired to create this thing, and then they

1561
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: covered it up effectively for years, and even today many

1562
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: of its operations are conducted in secret. So it's no

1563
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 1: wonder that the story here inevitably ends on some vital questions.

1564
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: Does the FED prevent disasters or does it create them?

1565
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 1: You know? And if it does create them, does it

1566
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: do so through honest mistakes, through incompetence, or through design?

1567
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't know. I mean, Matt, dude, it's crazy.

1568
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: We can't do anything about this. Seriously, none of us

1569
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: sitting in this room could do anything about this. It's

1570
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: a fun show, you guys. Sorry, I'm sorry. Really just

1571
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: frustrates me to well. It is true, Matt, I mean,

1572
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: either way, there's some just we don't need magic to

1573
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: be real to know that there are problematic things here.

1574
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,520
Speaker 1: There is a disturbing truth at the heart of these conspiracies.

1575
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: There's a bit of historical fact hidden in that fiduciary fiction.

1576
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: And the next time you pull out a dollar, think

1577
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: about it, ask yourself what it may or may not represent,

1578
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: and how it impacts the world in which we live.

1579
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the next time you walk

1580
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,799
Speaker 1: by a strange bit of odd graffiti scrawled and sharpie

1581
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 1: or chalk or spray paint along a busy street, ask

1582
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 1: yourself whether it's a work of art hidden message. If so,

1583
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: who is it meant for? And what does it say?

1584
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: Is it something they don't want you to know? Okay, alright, Matt,

1585
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: So that's mostly the show, right, Yeah, it was pretty good.

1586
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed that both being on it

1587
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: and listening to it. Job, good job, good job everybody. Also,

1588
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: we were probably doing a better job in that episode

1589
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 1: because Paul Mission Control Decond was at the show, and

1590
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: that's the whole reason. He just gave all the vibes

1591
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 1: And it was the fifth iteration, the fifth time we

1592
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: had done it, so we had ironed it out a

1593
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 1: little bit. Oh but there's one other thing, ye that

1594
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: we maybe we should have mentioned this at the top.

1595
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: We like to do sort of a Q and anything

1596
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the show, and we had a

1597
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: Q and A that took place not in Atlanta but

1598
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: earlier in Philadelphia, and we really enjoyed, uh this q

1599
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: A at least we enjoyed doing it at the time.

1600
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I haven't listened back yet. Oh, it's great, just so

1601
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: many good questions and passionate people. Um, probably it was

1602
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: my favorite QA as well. So we're gonna listen to

1603
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: it now. Hey, hey guys, Hey man Trevor. Hey, how's

1604
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: it going in Oh, it's going well. Um, going back

1605
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,759
Speaker 1: to the beginning of the podcast, you guys were talking

1606
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: about the hobo symbols. So if stuff they don't want

1607
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 1: you to know how to hobo symbol, and you guys

1608
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 1: were going to post on on the outside of World

1609
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 1: Cafe Live after we leave here with that spray paint

1610
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: didn't bring. What would it look like? I can tell

1611
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 1: you what it would be. Yeah, we cannot officially tell

1612
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 1: you it would be the first officially, if we cannot

1613
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: officially tell you that, it would definitely be the first

1614
01:33:54,720 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: three alpha numeric letters from our phone number. Well, that's

1615
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: t d We cannot we cannot officially tell you that

1616
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 1: that that it would be something involving an eye in

1617
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: a triangle. Again, we cannot officially tell you that it

1618
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: would be something involving a triangle, right or maybe maybe Trevor,

1619
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: maybe it would be yeah there you go. Yeah, hey go,

1620
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:35,879
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Okay, yea redo, redo. We cannot officially

1621
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: tell you would be a six fingered tap. Thanks for

1622
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: coming true. Thanks, Trevor. It was um Hi, my name

1623
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: is Chris, Chris, I'm listener. I just wanted to like

1624
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: with this uh theme of like Federal Reserve, you know,

1625
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: like control, like if this like have you ever thought

1626
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: a out like student loans as a way of like

1627
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: controlling I think about it every day. Yeah yeah, student

1628
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 1: loans just like just like a metal condition like where

1629
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: it's like a form of control. But here's how you do. Yeah,

1630
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. But because I've got, uh, I've

1631
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 1: got I've got one long term relationship in my life.

1632
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: Uh it's my main girlfriend, Sally May. Yeah, mine got

1633
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: sold Mine's not even Sally anymore. I don't even know

1634
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: what it's called. Yeah, but yeah, that's that's the one.

1635
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Navy and yeah, Navy. Yeah, but that's that's I mean,

1636
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,799
Speaker 1: that's an important question, and it is. It's strange because

1637
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: it will occasionally get reported, but it's crippling the growth

1638
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: of future generations. You know, Have you ever had somebody

1639
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: who's older in your family, maybe a little stagy, and

1640
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: they're like, well, when I was, when I was twenty eight,

1641
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: I had you know, like I had my job at

1642
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: the paint store, and I sold my for to house

1643
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: and made it a rental, and then I bought a

1644
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: car and I just you know, pooped everywhere. I don't know,

1645
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but but it's it's

1646
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 1: true if yours, but if it's interesting in the US

1647
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 1: this night, because I looked into it, and for that

1648
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 1: situation in post World War two and the boom of

1649
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: the economy to exist, for someone making minimum wage to

1650
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: buy a house, have two point five kids, all that

1651
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: other uh census bullshit, the minimum wage would have to

1652
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 1: be slightly over forty five an hour. That's how I'm

1653
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: phrase has worked out right now. Yeah, Um, I don't

1654
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: make that. Does anybody make that out of here? They're

1655
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: not gonna say, of course, yeah, that's what they bill

1656
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: me for they don't pay me that. But yeah, that's

1657
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 1: actually that's that's something that we've been putting a lot

1658
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: of digging into and we're we're hoping to do an

1659
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 1: episode on that pretty soon. So thank you for asking

1660
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: this question. Um, As far as the implications of it,

1661
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, it is. It is not a

1662
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy people are conspiring to

1663
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: to privatize education. Like at the same time that student

1664
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: loans boomed and I'll get off my soapbox in a second,

1665
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: I hope you don't regret asking this. But at the

1666
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: same time that student loans began booming as an increasingly

1667
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: privatized industry, there also occurred this change in the zeitgeist

1668
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 1: wherein you were told, we were all told that the

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01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: only way you can have a life worth living in

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01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: this country is if you can sign yourself to college,

1671
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 1: if you can sign yourself to grad school, if you

1672
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 1: don't go to trade school, if you like we we

1673
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: were taught to look down on people for that reason.

1674
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, and that's that's insidious, and it's like

1675
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: it's going to affect us. It's straight up, Edward bernais obvious.

1676
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Thank you I'm Lindsay. I'm here with Lindsay. I've been

1677
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 1: listening for a couple of years. How do you guys

1678
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 1: stay optimistic? You dive into some of the things they

1679
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: bore on ridiculous or esoteric. But tonight you talked about

1680
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: a lot of things that affect us as citizens or

1681
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: just people. So how do you keep the optimism with

1682
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: the show and you seem optimistic, you have you misreading? No,

1683
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard. It's hard. I mean, I

1684
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 1: have a Me and Matt have kids, and that makes

1685
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: it extra hard because it's all filtered through this notion

1686
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: of like what's it going to be like for my

1687
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: nine year old? And I'm constantly living in fear and dread.

1688
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 1: But you know, one day at a time. UM, And

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01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: I just I just I just have that my kid

1690
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: is smarter than me and it's gonna be like pluckier

1691
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: than me, and just figure that ship out and just

1692
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: like navigate whatever life throws at her. Um. And that's

1693
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: that's my optimism there. So I honestly have to say

1694
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: that it requires cognitive dissonance to continue. I'm being completely

1695
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: honest to know the things that we all in this room. No,

1696
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 1: and continue on as though everything is okay. We just can't.

1697
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: We kind of have to not look at it. And

1698
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the way it's been for a long

1699
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: time for a lot of humans. But it's literally our

1700
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: job to look at it. So but we in particular, Yes, um,

1701
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: but that is that not a head in the sand.

1702
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: For me, it's video games, alcohol, uh in nicotine. So

1703
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: I have about three feelings a year. Optimism is not

1704
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: one anybody else videos. Thank you so much for past Yes,

1705
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: thank you, way fun connecting us all. Hey guys, hey man,

1706
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean the construction industry. So to the student loan thing,

1707
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 1: we're now seeing a dip in available labor because because

1708
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: of that idea. But going back to the beginning, there's

1709
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,719
Speaker 1: a great UM documentary about the toy and be Talles

1710
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: called Resurrect Dead. We can find online it's everything from that. Yeah,

1711
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: it's a great film. It's really good film, a ridiculous history.

1712
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: Wait show everybody, everybody, thanks man, thanks so much. You

1713
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,600
Speaker 1: know they didn't give us free T shirts? Can you

1714
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: believe that we had? Because they print them on demand? Yes. Hello,

1715
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 1: oh there it's a switch on the bottom. Hello. Hello,

1716
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: my name's Kelsey. Um I have a question in regards

1717
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 1: to our conversation earlier about the Federal Reserve, So the

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01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: errors that it makes, do you think there's any possibility

1719
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: that good algorithms could offer a level of accountability for

1720
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,600
Speaker 1: what they do? You want to bring AI into this.

1721
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: It's slippery slope, my friends, It's already there. It's really

1722
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 1: it's that's a that's a wonderful question, because, um, regardless

1723
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: of how someone feels ethically about the concept of machine consciousness,

1724
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,560
Speaker 1: which is not really where we're at now, machine consciousness

1725
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: would be everybody thinking to some degree the way that

1726
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 1: we do. But what we have now when we say

1727
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence, is we have things that are very good

1728
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 1: at solving specific problems. So like we can make the

1729
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: mind of something that could go through a maze, or

1730
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:52,520
Speaker 1: compare columns of data and answer questions in those parameters.

1731
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: We don't have anything that can do something like ask why, right,

1732
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: are you a data scientist? Yeah right, I'm sorry, I'm

1733
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 1: a science, Technology and society major. Okay, yea. So so

1734
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 1: the question, so to your question directly, the the truth

1735
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 1: is that this sort of technology is inevitable, and in

1736
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: certain spheres it's much further along than some people might imagine.

1737
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: In the stock market, in the trading industry, a lot

1738
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 1: of a lot of very quick calculations are made, but

1739
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: they're not made for a greater good. They're made for

1740
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: a profit margin for a specific group or in some

1741
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:38,640
Speaker 1: cases an individual, And there has to be a philosophy

1742
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 1: behind how you use the algorithms to and that's sort

1743
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: of what the FED does. In some ways. It's like,

1744
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: what is the economic philosophy that we're chasing, and so

1745
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 1: how do we put these algorithms to work to that end?

1746
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 1: But it's it's kind of like the trolley problem with

1747
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: autonomous vehicles. Right. So there's a study that came out

1748
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: recently about autonomous self driving vehicles. The big question is

1749
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: if they have to hit someone, how do they decide

1750
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 1: who to hit? Right? Is it? Is it? Do they

1751
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: do they hit like an average person walking on the street,

1752
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: or do they hit right? Or do they hit do

1753
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: they have a child? Well, it's funny you mentioned that

1754
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,799
Speaker 1: because I think I think who never said that realized

1755
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 1: that there was a massive poll done recently and our

1756
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 1: species agreed overwhelmingly hit the elderly. Yeah, which is really

1757
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: cool for us right now. But keep in mind, we're

1758
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 1: gonna be old when that stuff is everywhere. So so

1759
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 1: that same question applies to the Federal Reserve. Um who

1760
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: like who profits from a certain area of stability? Right?

1761
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 1: If if we can do if if we have an

1762
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: algorithm that tells us uh uptick and interest here is

1763
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 1: very good for this specific part of the economy or

1764
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 1: this specific demograph think they're in, but very bad for

1765
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 1: another demographic, then who who programs it to value that question?

1766
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: Because again, we're a long way off from building an

1767
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 1: artificial mind that can ask why it's solving a problem.

1768
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 1: And so if that, if we have something steering the

1769
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve before it can ask why it's doing something,

1770
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: then we are setting ourselves up for a very very

1771
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: interesting times, I believe is the euphemism. I would say

1772
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 1: the pattern recognition of machine learning could definitely have some

1773
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: help there to try and predict when financial institutions may

1774
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 1: be weak or be ready to crash, or then you know,

1775
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: how much should the interests wory you go up or

1776
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: how little And you actually have just a machine that's

1777
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 1: doing that and looking at the patterns and not actually

1778
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 1: making decisions, but giving you feedback. I think that's a

1779
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 1: really good thing. Also, any any AI algorithm run on

1780
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: the student loan problem would come to the same conclusions

1781
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: that we came to tonight. I'm just saying that is true.

1782
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: Anybody else, anybody else? I see a hand over here? Cool? Oh,

1783
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 1: I see one over here too. We got we let's

1784
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: do we're We've got one question here first, and then

1785
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: you are next, sir, if you want to hang out

1786
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:20,600
Speaker 1: a big fan. Um. Thanks, man didn't finish college, so

1787
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 1: no loans. Um. But so I love everything conspiracy, everything

1788
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 1: from aliens, do they exist? What are they really doing

1789
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: on Plumb Island? Blah blah. But this one is the

1790
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: real one, if I think you know, it affects us

1791
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 1: in our everyday life. And so I've like dove pretty

1792
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 1: deep on this. And there's all these theories about and

1793
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys came across this in

1794
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:49,519
Speaker 1: your research, but um, there were three presidents who made

1795
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 1: a really really hard push to get off the federal Reserve.

1796
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy And they all

1797
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: have something in common like Executive Order eleven eleven zero.

1798
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: I believe, yeah, that's right, right, And we're actually are

1799
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: sitting president, has made some pretty forward comments about getting

1800
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: off the reserve and makes forward comments that all class

1801
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 1: he has the decorum of. But it's just it's just

1802
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah. It makes you scratch your head a

1803
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 1: little bit, and it makes you curious, you know, like

1804
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:26,639
Speaker 1: maybe there would be a pattern forming if three isn't

1805
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: enough of a pattern. Well, yeah, I would say that

1806
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,839
Speaker 1: some of that executive order stuff in the theories, depending

1807
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: on where you're reading it, it isn't really based on

1808
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 1: the stuff that it says it's based on. There has

1809
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: more to do with what was it. The whole silver

1810
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: standard thing is a little more murky than what a

1811
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: lot of these websites claim it to be. Um specifically

1812
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: with Kennedy. Well also Kennedy had very few friends, uh

1813
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: in the halls of power. It's kind of a situation

1814
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: and where it's like, well, if he wasn't shot for

1815
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:06,440
Speaker 1: one thing here or the other other reasons, other multitudes

1816
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: of reasons that people decided it would be cool if

1817
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: he had a hole in his head. Um, which I

1818
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 1: know is graphics, but that's what happened. That's what happens, harsh,

1819
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: that's what happens. But the um But to your question,

1820
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: what's really interesting is Abraham Lincoln actually was, especially during

1821
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:26,560
Speaker 1: the Civil War, very opposed to the interest rate that

1822
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 1: the nation was getting saddled with through banking. And it's

1823
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 1: kind of weird when we read when it's kind of

1824
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: weird what parts of historical anecdotes are specified and what

1825
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 1: parts what characters are left blank or vague, because it's

1826
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 1: always like Lincoln was pissed that the US was gonna

1827
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: be broke, Camelton was pissed that the US owed money

1828
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:51,439
Speaker 1: to whom. You know, those people aren't often named in

1829
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 1: specific or in particular. And I'm going to keep this

1830
01:47:56,120 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 1: thought you sent in my head. Uh if, if, if

1831
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 1: something happens, and then I think we have a lot

1832
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: of dicking to do. But obviously I don't. I don't

1833
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: personally want just anyone in the world to get shot,

1834
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 1: although statistically many people did. What we were recording this

1835
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: show too dark. Sorry, guys, there are a lot of

1836
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: the guns. They have to hang out with me all

1837
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: the time. So then here, yeah, I need another one

1838
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 1: of Yeah, let's let's let's let's take one more question,

1839
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 1: more question, one more question? Are we doings? Hey? Hey,

1840
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? So first time, first time, so yes,

1841
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 1: this was pretty awesome. This was a birthday gift from

1842
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 1: my friend Aaron. How did my birthday? So? Okay, birthday,

1843
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: let's do it. Hey, what's your what's your name? Mike okay?

1844
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 1: On the counter of three, can everybody say, happy birthday,

1845
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 1: Mike okay. One to my wife's birthday the same day too,

1846
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: and her name's Kim, so Kim and so on the

1847
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 1: counter three Happy birthday, Mike and Kim sir one too,

1848
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 1: three Happy birthday? And kill that was did we didn't

1849
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,639
Speaker 1: ask you to How that's good? Yeah, thank you, thank

1850
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:12,719
Speaker 1: you Mike. That was recorded by the way we reported.

1851
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: That's going to come out. It's being recorded by the

1852
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 1: girl that bought the ticket. All right, what's up? What's

1853
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 1: our birthday? Man? So here's my question? And I have

1854
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 1: like seven hundred thousand questions after like being introduced to

1855
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: the world. That are you guys? But all right, it's

1856
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a softball or it's going to be a curveball.

1857
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: So let's see, let's go. We're we started about toynbee tiles,

1858
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: we started about hobo code. How difficult is it to

1859
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: articulate the difference between Hobo code and Hoda Cobe. That's

1860
01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 1: it question. So thanks guys. You guys wanted a birthday wish. Seriously,

1861
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:07,760
Speaker 1: the whole time you were talking, I thought it was

1862
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: Hoda Cope work. Uh is there is there a burning question?

1863
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh it's John. What's up John? It's John without an age,

1864
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: John without an age? Thank you? Okay, So about two

1865
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 1: days ago, three years ago, somebody won one point five

1866
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 1: billion dollars right yeah, personally, yeah, I wish it was made,

1867
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 1: but I think I could do more more good with

1868
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:43,240
Speaker 1: more money than more power. Do you guys think that

1869
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 1: you could do more good with one point five billion

1870
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 1: in in dollars? Or do you guys think you could

1871
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:57,640
Speaker 1: do more good running a country, running a city, or

1872
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:00,639
Speaker 1: more power? Well, I'll just start and then you guys

1873
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: build really fast. I think the money is the power

1874
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 1: in this instance, because we've said this before, Ben has

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Speaker 1: uh this phrase, Um, what is one of the biggest superpowers,

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Speaker 1: the actual real superpower you can have? Oh yeah, money, money,

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Speaker 1: like it's one of the real superpowers that exists because

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Speaker 1: cut yeah, go ahead, go ahead? Can I And I said,

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Speaker 1: all right? So I feel this is one of my

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Speaker 1: three feelings. Done. Uh, it's that Batman is often build

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I get it, I'll make it quick.

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Speaker 1: I know we have to pay and stuff. But Batman

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Speaker 1: is often build as this amazing superhero because he's the

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Speaker 1: world's greatest detective. Because he doesn't have superpowers, he has

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Speaker 1: ingenuity that is utter as an utter line of horseshit.

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Speaker 1: Because Bruce Wayne is a billionaire. He didn't build the

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Speaker 1: suit himself, he didn't build the Batmobile. Instead, he paid

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Speaker 1: someone to do it, which means that if you look

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Speaker 1: at the way it functions, the use of money is

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Speaker 1: just value over time. So he's functioning as a time traveler.

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Speaker 1: He's doing things through the use of money that would

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Speaker 1: have taken decades, decades and decades to do. So. Money

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Speaker 1: may not equate one on one with power in all situations. However,

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Speaker 1: money does equate to taking the hours of someone else's labor,

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Speaker 1: which I'm not I'm not going in a socialist direction

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Speaker 1: with this. That's just the way. That's just the way

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Speaker 1: it is. If somebody is paid five dollars an hour

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Speaker 1: or forty five dollars an hour, then that is just

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Speaker 1: the price of an hour. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: A billionaires you guys say, I will say you guys

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Speaker 1: do say that money corrupts, right, So if you guys

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Speaker 1: were one point five billion dollars rich, would that not

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Speaker 1: corrupt you? Of course, the lottery is terrible for people

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Speaker 1: when they will ever, like, I think it would corrupt me,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I don't know. You seem like a

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Speaker 1: pretty cool dude. But here here's here's my reasoning behind

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Speaker 1: this and why I wanted to reference that, because if

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Speaker 1: you're the leader of a country, there are so many

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Speaker 1: constraints on you on what you can and can't do,

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Speaker 1: because there's so many interests that you have to look

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Speaker 1: out for. And that's everything that's economic, that's the people

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Speaker 1: who live in your country, that's medical. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's literally all the things right that you have

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Speaker 1: to deal with. If you just independently get several billion

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Speaker 1: dollars one point five billion dollars, you can use that

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Speaker 1: however you want. Really you can jump. Well, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I gonna end on one thing, John, I think your question.

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Speaker 1: I think the more I think about it, I would

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Speaker 1: I would go for I would go for power because

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Speaker 1: if money is an idea, then a good idea can

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Speaker 1: be money, so I would go. I would go for

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Speaker 1: a movement or an idea, not to start a cult.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what about you, and all you want

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Speaker 1: the last word, I'll start a call. All right, let's start. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you guys see, gonna be thank you so much