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Speaker 1: David and Diane Stephy, fellow in American Public Policy Studies

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Speaker 1: about it, Jack, I worry about where we're headed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chen candidate for California State Controller, and all kinds of

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Speaker 1: other stuff. Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks Jack

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