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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Brand, popular co host Good Morning Football, got a

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Speaker 2: new show. The debuts today, NFL Classic Sits upon further review.

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Speaker 2: You'll find it at nine eastern on Vice TV, Michael

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Speaker 2: Irvin and EMMITTT. Smith breaking down the Cowboys nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: five NFC Championship game. You can also see Kyle Good

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Speaker 2: Morning Football, Good to see you again. How'd you come

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Speaker 2: about deciding to do this?

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Speaker 3: Normally, Dan, I would say I collaborated with my friends

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Speaker 3: and put something together.

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: They came to me and they said, here's an idea

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Speaker 3: for a show. You want to do it. I felt

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Speaker 3: like you hear these actors say. I finally got to

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Speaker 3: stop auditioning. I just got an offer. This was my

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Speaker 3: first offer. It sounded perfect. I said yes, I'll take it,

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Speaker 3: and ten minutes later, I'm sitting there with Irvan and

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Speaker 3: walked to the ninety five title game.

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Speaker 4: That's the origin story.

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Speaker 2: I did NBA's Greatest Games years and years ago at

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Speaker 2: NBA TV, and we'd have Bill Walton come in and

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Speaker 2: he would sit there and watch a game with you.

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Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas came in and it's just fun because Isaiah

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Speaker 2: started crying during you know, looking back on the game,

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Speaker 2: Walton just couldn't stop talking. You know, you get these

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Speaker 2: guys that they look back and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: they open up the scrap book and it's the emotion

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Speaker 2: that hits them that you might not be ready for

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Speaker 2: because to you, it was a game you're watching. To them,

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Speaker 2: it was the game they were playing in.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's insightful. And what you get is.

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Speaker 3: When you're not just watching highlights, like I've seen Joe

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Speaker 3: Montana talk about the catch a thousand times and he

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Speaker 3: tells the story from start to finish. When you actually

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Speaker 3: watch the game with the ebbs and flows and the

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Speaker 3: bad plays, well found out when I ended up happening Dan,

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Speaker 3: that was so funny. It was I was watching the

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Speaker 3: Titans Rams Super Bowl and the Titans are marching down

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Speaker 3: the field and it's Steve McNair and I'm with Cedric

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Speaker 3: the entertainer from Saint Louis and Kurt Warner, and they

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Speaker 3: were both nervous that the Rams were gonna lose. They

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Speaker 3: were on the edge of their seat and you start

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Speaker 3: to watch it, even though you know, you say, Kevin

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Speaker 3: Dyson's gonna score.

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Speaker 4: I know it.

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Speaker 3: They have too much momentum, and you can watch them

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Speaker 3: start to sweat all over again. So it's funny and

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Speaker 3: it's candid, but in multiple episodes I saw actual fear

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Speaker 3: from guys knowing full well they win, still thinking they

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Speaker 3: would lose.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: What's the one episode though, that you got something that

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Speaker 2: you didn't realize.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of them. I would actually stick with

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Speaker 3: this episode. This This is the again the Titans ninety

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Speaker 3: nine Rams versus the Titans. This is the coolest thing

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Speaker 3: about this, Dan, because we've looked at this game for

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Speaker 3: a quarter century and Mike Jones makes the tackle on

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Speaker 3: the one yard line and the Rams win. But here's

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Speaker 3: the what if. The question is the Titans were down seven,

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Speaker 3: if they score that touchdown, does Jeff Fisher go for

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Speaker 3: two to win it right there? And Fisher's gone back

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Speaker 3: and forth over the years. I would have I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have Eddie George of Sam we would have got it.

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Speaker 3: Everybody on the Rams defense is saying they would have

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Speaker 3: got it. We were out of gas, We've been battling

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Speaker 3: all game. We could have gotten, as fans, a win

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl two point conversion play, which we've never

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Speaker 3: gotten before. And again you talked to Kurt about that,

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Speaker 3: he's helpless. He's standing on the sideline behind Dick Vermeil,

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Speaker 3: who's ready to celebrate. The tackle at the one yard

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Speaker 3: a two point conversion.

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Speaker 4: We'll still never know if they would have gone for it.

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Speaker 2: I was fortunate when the Steelers played Arizona and we

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Speaker 2: thought Arizona was going to win the Super Bowl. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm handing out the trophy. So I'm on the sidelines

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Speaker 2: and I'm standing next to Steve Young. So Steve is

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Speaker 2: doing analysis on Ben's final drive. So we're walking down

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Speaker 2: the sidelines and he's now he's part quarterback but part fan,

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Speaker 2: and he would be He said, you don't understand, like

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Speaker 2: this is incredible. He was so excited, and it's one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest moments I've ever had in this in

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Speaker 2: we're watching Ben lead this drive that's going to win

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Speaker 5: But that's where you go County. This is awesome, awesome,

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Speaker 5: And that was years ago.

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Speaker 3: They watched that game with Steve Young, and I can

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Speaker 3: tell you remember it like it was yesterday. When when

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Speaker 3: you really when you're talking to the athletes, and it's

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Speaker 3: when they're watching themselves work. So many different emotions come out, like,

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Speaker 3: for example, the Cowboys are really hot right now. In media,

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Speaker 3: I was sitting and I'm watching the ninety five title game.

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Speaker 3: This is Cowboys versus Packers. It's Apman versus FIV, and

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Speaker 3: I'm with EMMT and Irvin. It's the episode that we

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Speaker 3: start the show with. We talked for over an hour,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think they said the name Barry Switzer

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Speaker 5: Between them, they.

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Speaker 3: Said Jimmy Johnson Dan probably thirty times. My takeaway was

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Johnson was the coach of that team. He had

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Speaker 3: been removed for years. And Barry Switzer, God bless him.

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Speaker 3: These guys did not want to say the word. They

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Speaker 3: just think Jimmy was still the head coach, and the

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Speaker 3: emotions came out for those.

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Speaker 2: Two talking to Kyle Brant, NFL Network, Good Morning Football,

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Speaker 2: NFL Classics upon further review tonight at nine Eastern on

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Speaker 2: Vice TV, and Michael Irvan Emmett Smith with the first episode.

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Speaker 5: Fans can't get to you when.

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Speaker 2: You're hosting Good Morning Football, like they can call into

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Speaker 2: the show. Where they can you know, they can text

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Speaker 2: or tweet the show. But you know, I'm already getting

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Speaker 2: catching strays because I was critical of the Browns and Saints,

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Speaker 2: you know, just the odds of them making the playoffs

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Speaker 2: or going to the super Bowl. How do fans get

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Speaker 2: to you to let you know they don't like what

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Speaker 2: you said?

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, you're putting this on right in the wheelhouse.

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Speaker 3: We just made playoff picks yesterday. Here's the ones that

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Speaker 3: I like them. I like the fan bases that you

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Speaker 4: But it's only a wildcard and not a didial.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: I'm getting screamed at by of all people, I'm getting

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Speaker 4: Is there a more nouveau reach thing than that?

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Speaker 3: Somebody drive in a yellow Corvette because they won the lottery,

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Speaker 3: and they're already complaining that they're only a wild card.

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Speaker 3: The Lions fans would have cut off a finger for

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Speaker 3: a wild card five years ago. And they hate me

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Speaker 3: on social media because I dare to give them not

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Speaker 3: the division championship.

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Speaker 4: It's nuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you program director for the NFL. You picked,

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Speaker 2: let's do it. You picked the super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: If i'm if I'm programmed director for human beings and

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Speaker 3: all of humanity, and in the time of AI we

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Speaker 3: need some of this, then that one's easy. Just just

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Speaker 3: give me Buffalo versus Detroit and someone can be happy.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's you get those fans together.

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Speaker 3: It's hugging. It's cats and dogs living together. Somebody wins.

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Speaker 3: But if I'm gonna be the NFL programmer, and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to try to do it at the bottom line, and

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna spike ratings, Dan can I also picked the

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Speaker 3: halftime performer. Sure I have the Chiefs are in the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl again, Taylor's the halftime performer. And then in

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Speaker 3: the NFC, we can't do Philadelphia. It's Dallas. It's Dallas

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Speaker 3: versus Kansas City and they have the story of the

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Speaker 3: year has been that Jerry Jones suckered us all and

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Speaker 3: Micah wasn't when Micah was cracked up to be and

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Speaker 3: he's back and he's against Taylor and she's doing love

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Speaker 3: story and everybody's crying. It's Chiefs Cowboys in San Francisco,

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Speaker 3: where the Cowboys have a lot of history.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a better chance that Taylor Swift does

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Speaker 2: halftime than the Cowboys get there.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: I think actually at this point, I think the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl halftime show is beneath Taylor Swift. I think that

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Speaker 3: she is way bigger than it. And I may say

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Speaker 3: that as an NFL employee. I think she's bigger than it.

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Speaker 3: And I think you're right. I think it's still more

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Speaker 3: likely that she does it and goes a three hour

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Speaker 3: set before the Cowboys do it. I said lines fans,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out, Dan, why are you hearing

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Speaker 4: What do they have to complain about?

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Speaker 2: They don't want to be told. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: have false hope on September third? You don't want to

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Speaker 2: hear the voice saying, yeah, Vegas says, you guys have

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Speaker 2: the best dodge for the number one pick in the draft,

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Speaker 2: or Vegas says that you guys have the longest odds

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Speaker 5: They don't want to hear it. They know it's true,

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Speaker 5: they don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 4: I think they should hear it. There's nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 4: at least after a Week one.

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Speaker 3: If you lose Week one, then they'll be calling the

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Speaker 3: show being like, when are you going to start doing

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Speaker 3: mock drafts.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe that. Saints and Browns, let's go.

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Speaker 2: There are more teams you think can reach the super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: or more teams who can't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of teams that could reach

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Speaker 4: the super Bowl this year.

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Speaker 3: You have the normal headliners that you think of, of

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Speaker 3: course this team, that team, and then you have these

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Speaker 3: teams that aren't the the neon lights, like teams that

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Speaker 3: for example. Who have the coach, you have the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind the Rams. Again, I always look at

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Speaker 3: the coaches. I don't mind the Chargers, Like the only

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Speaker 3: the linemen.

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Speaker 4: It sucks.

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Speaker 3: I know he got hurt. I just look at Jim

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Speaker 3: Harbone and look at the quarterback. We're in this this

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Speaker 3: weekend where there's this there's this sweepstakes Kentucky Derby type

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Speaker 3: thing here in sports media where everyone gives their picks

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Speaker 3: and everyone has to be right and everyone's trying to

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Speaker 3: hack the system. I have a few simple guidelines that

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Speaker 3: I go by, first and foremost, always, always, always pick

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Speaker 3: the Steelers in the Bengo card. They're the free space.

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Speaker 3: You get that one for free. The rest are up

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Speaker 3: to you. I always pick the Rams because I believe

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Speaker 3: Sean McVay is the best coach.

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Speaker 4: In the league. And then just look at coaches.

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Speaker 3: Just pick veteran, proven coaches and the guys who have

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Speaker 3: been there before, and they'll get you home. So I

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Speaker 3: think there's a lot of teams that can make the

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Speaker 2: And Aaron's one of those guys that he's not going

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Speaker 2: If he's got the ball three minutes, two minutes ago,

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Speaker 3: Like listen to the Peyton thing that goes back to

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Speaker 2: Good luck with the show and and your day job too.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you anywhere other than the sports

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Speaker 4: You, and we never win.

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Speaker 2: I know, we were both like peeking in, like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: It's not us. Okay, drive home safely.

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Speaker 4: I wish I could. You're so dead. I wish I

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Speaker 3: Dan is literally in the last row, like throw five thousand,

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Speaker 5: In our hands.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Dan.

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Speaker 6: it's so great to be out there with those guys

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Speaker 6: then and be able to feel like you're part of something,

442
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean. They look at me, they say, oh,

443
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 6: we love it with you here, man, and you know

444
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 6: it's just yeah, that does things for me, man. So

445
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 6: so I enjoyed.

446
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Speaker 2: What was it like to watch the Cowboy documentary when

447
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 2: you're reopening a scrap book there?

448
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, that was It was easy for me because

449
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 6: it was my life. I walked out and I live

450
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 6: on it, live in my head with it all the

451
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 6: time anyway, you know. And and then it was time

452
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 6: to really open up and share about a lot of things.

453
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 6: The world has moved forward and changed, and now you

454
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 6: can use your history to try to help somebody have

455
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 6: a better destiny if you can, if you open up

456
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 6: and share. So that's what I thought it was time

457
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 6: to do and in the documentary, and I thought they

458
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 6: did a great job. I thought they did a great

459
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 6: job in shooting it and allowing people to share and

460
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Speaker 6: try to straighten out some of the stories you know

461
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 6: that always get greater later and turning their lives. You

462
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.

463
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Speaker 5: Okay, what's the one story that you wanted to correct?

464
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Speaker 6: Well, well, I don't want to say I want to correct,

465
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 6: but like you're you're the guy that's old that boys

466
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 6: would be boys books walking around like I took prepare

467
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 6: of stuitters that just walked up and stab Everett mcgiver

468
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 6: and the neck and stuff like that, even though it

469
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 6: was all wrong. But that's not what happened. You know,

470
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 6: we we were we weren't getting hair, haircut and everything,

471
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 6: and actually I was getting my ass kicked. You see

472
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. I was really getting my ass kicking,

473
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 6: and in order to try to defend myself, I did

474
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 6: something stupid, you know, stuff like that. But and we

475
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 6: were out drinking, and we were out drinking before that.

476
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 6: We were all and I was what I was doing

477
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 6: was reving the line in the Young Lineman, just like

478
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 6: I did with Big Ee, just like we did with

479
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 6: Larry Allen to make sure they're ready when it's time.

480
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 6: He was the new guy coming in. We were like,

481
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 6: come on, new guy, you're the new guy, you know,

482
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 6: things like that. And we had alreadysked some drinks prior

483
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Speaker 6: to that, I think, and then Big Ee was messing

484
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 6: with him, telling me, come on, now, you ain't gonna

485
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 6: let that little little say something. You like that, right

486
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 6: every and then he came, yeah, he was whooping by

487
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 6: butt there.

488
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Speaker 5: Right for wait, so then you grab the scissors.

489
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, And I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't

490
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 6: have done that. And I thank him today though, Rich.

491
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm gonna call you Rich because I'm so

492
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 6: used to you and Rich together DP. I thank him

493
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 6: today for the way he handled that, you know what

494
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 6: I mean. I was trying to I talked to Big

495
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 6: he and we can't. I was looking for his number.

496
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 6: I just wanted to reach out to him again because

497
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 6: when you see the documentary, it makes you think and

498
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 6: relive all of it and and you think about how

499
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 6: important that moment was and the way he handled it

500
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 6: for me and to still be at this moment at

501
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 6: end of my life. So it makes you want to

502
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 6: reach out and just just tell him thank you again.

503
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Speaker 5: Are the Cowboys better this week than last week?

504
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 6: I can't say that, and and that's why do you.

505
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 5: Think Jerry feels that way?

506
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 6: That's that's sitting. I say, I can't say that, and

507
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 6: that's a hurting question. And then you ask that question,

508
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 6: and I'm giving you because he's a hurt. Because he's hurting,

509
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 6: that's the answer. You know. I know when I saw this,

510
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 6: I felt his pain in that press conference. I know

511
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 6: the relationship he wanted with Michael. I certainly know the

512
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 6: relationship Michael wanted with Jerry when I did that draft.

513
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 6: I was at that draft. I was by spot. Michael

514
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 6: came up to me and said, I'm going to do

515
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 6: I'm going to do just what you're doing. I'm gonna

516
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 6: be just don't do this. He said this, And then

517
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 6: you'll see after the Cowboys actually draft him, we were

518
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 6: in the back yelling, like god. He wanted to play

519
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 6: for the Cowboys who wanted to win championships, and he

520
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 6: wanted to be doing TV just like me. This is

521
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 6: what he said to me day one of the draft.

522
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 6: Now I know, I know, and he wanted a life

523
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 6: after football, and and and in his business, and do

524
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 6: you think that podcast would have been he was building

525
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 6: one hundred million dollar podcasts as long as he was

526
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 6: playing for the Dallas Cowboys. It's no longer that anymore.

527
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 6: So so I know he got a good deal, which

528
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 6: really comes out to be five years, forty two million

529
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 6: a year, but a great deal, a great deal, and

530
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 6: and and he got the money. But I still say

531
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Speaker 6: it's a failure, certainly for the Cowboys. But but I

532
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 6: I think for him also. And then you did like,

533
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 6: like what your boy said better for his agent than

534
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 6: what's best for him.

535
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you it feels like he still is a

536
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: cowboy in his mind, like he wanted to be a cowboy.

537
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and and and and and the agent who

538
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 6: does a great job came on when on our Boys

539
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 6: show yesterday, Steven and he said, he said, Michael wanted

540
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 6: to be a Dallas cowboy. And your next statement is

541
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Speaker 6: nothing boyant to me. Everything else is another boy because

542
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 6: you're job. You blew your job. I don't want to

543
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 6: hear you tell me I got I raised the number

544
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 6: by five million dollars. That's new money, new year. That's

545
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 6: future value, not present value. Because we're starting right here,

546
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 6: even though it's only a year later, but then it's

547
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 6: five year. Did forty two million? Will you could have

548
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 6: worked out a deal where Michael's taking home more money.

549
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 6: You could have worked out of deal and they should

550
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 6: have put the egos aside and got that deal worked out.

551
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 6: The number one thing he said was Michael wanted to

552
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Speaker 6: be a Dallas cowboy. That's your job to go get

553
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 6: the most money from the Dallas Cowboys. That was your job,

554
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 6: and they failed at it. Yeah.

555
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying.

556
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: And it felt like Jerry his feelings are hurt, and

557
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: you're not going to talk to me that way. I

558
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: get deals done. I've made deals all my life. That's

559
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: how I got here. Who are you to tell me

560
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: to stick that contract you know up my rear end?

561
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 6: Yeah? But also but also but oh so I understand that.

562
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 6: I understand. I don't care how Jerry reacts. It is

563
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 6: how you reacts to Jerry's reactions. And with Steven A asked,

564
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 6: he said, do you try to send a contract? He said,

565
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 6: I told him yeah, he said, he said yes, he

566
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: said yes. He said, I said to Adam, if you

567
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 6: guys think I'm going to rubber stamp it. Don't sing that.

568
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 6: That shouldn't even come out of your mouth. Send a contract,

569
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 6: go it over, red line in the contract. What you

570
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 6: did not like, Put your numbers in and send it back.

571
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 6: You are in for a negotiation. I mean, Jerry may

572
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 6: have said, well, he said shove it up it, but

573
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 6: he said he never said that I can buy that.

574
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 6: But then on the other end, I'm must extrapolate from

575
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 6: him that there's no way he just said. I told

576
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 6: him I'm not going rubber stamp it. If you guys

577
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 6: were already the heated moment, so yeah, yeah, you should

578
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 6: have taken that contract and negotiated. That's my thought. That's

579
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 6: my thought. I got my opinion, you know, and if

580
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 6: if Michaels and everybody happy, then I'm okay with it.

581
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 6: But I just thought he wanted to be here.

582
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: Michael Irvin, Hall of Famer, three times Super Bowl champ.

583
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: How's Dion doing?

584
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 6: You know how Dion is doing? Leon, Dion had a

585
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 6: game he could have won the other night. He had

586
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 6: that game that was a big game.

587
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 5: So wise, health wise, health wise, he's great.

588
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 6: Health Wise, he's great. Health wise, He's in the best

589
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 6: place he could be that's right back on the sideline

590
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 6: with his guy. I told you, Dan, when I went

591
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 6: to see him and he was really at his lowest.

592
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 6: All he talked about to me, which was amazing, was

593
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 6: you know, I haven't seen my players. I haven't seen

594
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 6: my players. And I told him it reminded me, Well,

595
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 6: my dad was very sick and went to the doctor

596
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 6: and and all he was thinking about was his family.

597
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 6: You know, it tells you the power and how powerful

598
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 6: that time the man is is that, you know? So

599
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 6: so yeah, you know he feels it was like that

600
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 6: thinking only about his players when he was at his

601
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 6: lords and now his players are probably healing low. Yeah,

602
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 6: you know how he feels right now, But healthwise he's healthy.

603
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: If I told you that you could pick, he had

604
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: to pick Miami Hurricanes win the National title or the

605
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: Cowboys win the Super Bowl.

606
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 6: I would take. I would take the team that have

607
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 6: already won a championship with, you know whatever, a team

608
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 6: I've already won a championship with that, that's the team

609
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 6: I picked.

610
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: So he'd picked the Cowboys. I won a championship in

611
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 5: both teams.

612
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 6: Don't try don't try to come that did that ain't

613
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 6: the first time one time Miami, a team from Florida

614
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 6: came up here to play a team in Texas. You know,

615
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 6: in high school football. I was on the sideline. They

616
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 6: were trying to pin me what state you're going for?

617
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 6: I feel the state. I want a championship that would.

618
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: Go You know what I'm saying, How how do the

619
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: Eagles not go back to the Super Bowl?

620
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 6: Man? I mean, first of all, they have a great team.

621
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 6: They have a great team, and it's going to take

622
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 6: someone to go take it because they won't give it.

623
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 6: Because he's a great leader in Jalen hurts Man, the

624
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 6: way he just go about his business. And the best thing,

625
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: the best thing happened to that team. And I'm not

626
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 6: talking about for his ability to run the football. I'm

627
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 6: talking about for his ability to run himself his way,

628
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 6: his personality. Was Saquon Barkley coming over and showing that

629
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 6: kind of leadership to the A. J. Browns and the

630
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 6: Avante Smith that it ain't about us individually, it's about

631
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 6: us collectively. And now, yeah, now they're dangerous. They are

632
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 6: the favorites and you gotta go take it from them.

633
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 6: The only way they lose it is if they lose

634
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 6: that glue. That glue is Saquon Barkley.

635
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 5: How often do you talk to Troy?

636
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: Uh?

637
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 6: I told Hi, Truck quite a bit. I saw him

638
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 6: the last couple a couple of weeks. We had a

639
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 6: couple of things we were doing together, like you know,

640
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 6: of course I had them on my podcast and on

641
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 6: our YouTube channel, and then we had we went to

642
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 6: Jimmy's retirement party. You know that. I mean, we selected

643
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 6: in Jimmy's retirement party from Fox. So so yeah, we

644
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 6: get out, we get around and get to talk. But

645
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 6: we all do and and also, you know, Dann, that's

646
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 6: the great thing. We're still all best boys and still

647
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 6: hanging around and still talking football and get to talk

648
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 6: about what's going on now with the Cowboys.

649
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: But Troy didn't socialize you with you back in the

650
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: day with the ow Boys.

651
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 6: He No, Dan, that's a nice question, well asked, because

652
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 6: I appreciate your respect for Troy. An. No, Troy never

653
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 6: came to the White House, did he. That's what you

654
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 6: tried to get to.

655
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 5: Well, wasn't Troy dating Sandra Buller back then?

656
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 6: Hey? Troy never? Did you know Troy was one of

657
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Speaker 6: them rare raiders? Boy? Hey, I told they'll tell you. Troy. Hey,

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Speaker 6: Troy came home and nigging people in his house. He

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Speaker 6: called the police. That's what Troy does. He was the

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Speaker 6: right kind of guy.

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Speaker 5: I was like, well, but wasn't he Was he dating

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Speaker 5: Sandra Bullock at one point?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well I don't. I don't remember if it was

664
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Speaker 6: Sandra Bullet but you know, yeah, you know I didn't

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Speaker 6: do that thing on Instagram or something on the social

666
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Speaker 6: media when he said the women you did. Yes, right,

667
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Speaker 6: he's the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Was cowboy.

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Speaker 6: All right? For you? Tru with you all blonde hair,

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Speaker 6: blue eyes and bl that's shopping. You know, all try

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Speaker 6: to get me in trouble, Dad, but.

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Speaker 2: You know, no, no, you get you get yourself in trouble.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying.

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Speaker 6: It's okay now, I don't really got a job right now,

675
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Speaker 6: give me trouble. It's all good.

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Speaker 5: Great to talk to you, Irv. Great to talk to him.

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Speaker 6: I missed you too, DP, I missed you too. Man.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad to see you doing well still, my brother.

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Speaker 6: You just keep pounding away. Thank you, man, God bless you.

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Speaker 2: Michael Irvin won a national championship at the U in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. Wasn't he the eleventh overall pick? Just

682
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Speaker 2: like Michael Parsons? Does that sound right?

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Speaker 5: This is both the eleventh overall pick. Is Mike still there? Mike?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Were you you the eleventh?

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Speaker 6: Left eleven? I think what Mike the micro Quesson going fourteenth?

687
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Speaker 6: Some wasn't know who wore eleven.

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Speaker 5: He wore eleven.

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Speaker 6: But I think because he dropped in his draft or something,

690
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 6: and and and I told him, you don't drop to

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Speaker 6: the Cowboys. You are placed to the Cowboys. God, God

692
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Speaker 6: s now. Now you know, now this has happened. You

693
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Speaker 6: shouldn't have left that placement. But that's what I told.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mike, Thank you. Fox Sports Radio has the

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698
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: I come in today and I see the LA Clippers

699
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: are trending, and I go, what first week is September?

700
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: What James Harden shaved his beard?

701
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's why they're trending, And and

702
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: I realize they're trending for a bad reason. Pablo Tory

703
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: Pablo Tory finds out podcast Metal arc Media and the

704
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: Athletic Contributor.

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Speaker 5: To pardon the interruption.

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Speaker 2: All right, summarize your report on the Clippers, Steve Balmer

707
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: and Kawhi Leonard.

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Speaker 8: Hello, Dan, we got to stop meeting like this. It's

709
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 8: always it's always something when we get together. You may

710
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 8: recall how in twenty nineteen the NBA investigated the signing

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00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 8: of Kawhi Leonard by the Clippers. This was the Uncle

712
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 8: Dennis story, him asking for all the sweeteners, the side deals.

713
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 8: This was the Lakers, the Raptors, very mad, lots of teams,

714
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 8: very mad. NBA investigates says, this is a cardinal sin.

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00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 8: Salary caps are convention, but they find nothing.

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Speaker 5: Today.

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Speaker 8: We have given something, I dare say to anybody who

718
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Speaker 8: cares about this stuff, and the stuff here is kind

719
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 8: of wild. This is a story that started because of

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Speaker 8: a company called Aspiration, which no one really remembers in fairness,

721
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Speaker 8: but they had signed some of the most famous people

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Speaker 8: in the world to be endorsers. Leonardo DiCaprio, Drake, Robert

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Speaker 8: Downey Junior, Cindy Crawford, Cindy Crawford's daughter, all people who

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Speaker 8: endorsed this climate change company that planted trees to zero

725
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 8: out your carbon footprint like good guys, only for those

726
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 8: same good guys to have since been embroiled in what

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00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 8: has been a concurrent Department of Justice and SEC investigations

728
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 8: that have resulted in guilty please by one of the

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Speaker 8: co founders of the company, a prominent Democratic politician and

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Speaker 8: donor named Joe Sandberg, who happens to have also been

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Speaker 8: a buddy of Steve Bomber and Steve Bomber. In this story,

732
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Speaker 8: we establish and report, using over three thousand documents and

733
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Speaker 8: seven sources from inside the company, put in fifty million

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Speaker 8: dollars of his own money into Aspiration. Very long lined up.

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Speaker 8: I apologize for taking so long. Here's the punchline. The

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00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 8: endorsement deal that was the biggest that Aspiration signed given

737
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Speaker 8: all those A List avengers, happened to be Kawhi Leonard

738
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Speaker 8: twenty eight million dollars, more than four times the rest

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Speaker 8: of the celebrity roster combined.

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Speaker 5: And the kicker, you.

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Speaker 8: Might argue, is that he didn't do anything. It was

742
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Speaker 8: a no show job, did nothing, wasn't obligated to do anything,

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Speaker 8: which we can explain if you want, But the point being,

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Speaker 8: it was a secret deal that no one knew about

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00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 8: until now.

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Speaker 5: NBA have anything to say yet.

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Speaker 8: Not yet, not yet, I should say, Steve Bomber and

748
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 8: the Clippers when we asked them for comment, they said

749
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 8: that this was provably false, that they denied it. They

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Speaker 8: did not know at the time that we had over

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Speaker 8: three thousand pages of documents and seven sources. I look

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Speaker 8: forward to the improving the falsehoods that they allege. I

753
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 8: can tell you though, from the NBA perspective, what I've

754
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 8: been told this morning is that it's been a bit

755
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 8: of panic over there. I'm told that they did not

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 8: know about this deal between Steve Bomber, or at the

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00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 8: very least between Aspiration and Kawhi Leonard, with the influence

758
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Speaker 8: of Steve Bomber, according to our reporting, being the driving

759
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 8: force of it. So yeah, it's going to get a

760
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 8: little messy dan over there.

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Speaker 5: I think what rule did the Clippers break?

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Speaker 8: So salary caps or convention is something that the NBA

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Speaker 8: has decided to in previous statements state very seriously so.

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Speaker 8: Kawhi Leonard has only signed max contracts, so signed the

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Speaker 8: first one coming off of Toronto. The extension in twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty one, is what lines up with the timeline here

767
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 8: that we are explaining the twenty eight million dollars above

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Speaker 8: and beyond the max deal he signed. He signed another

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Speaker 8: extension just last year. And so the thing here is,

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Speaker 8: and this is I think a bit of the character study.

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Speaker 8: Steve Bomber is the richest owner in all of sports

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Speaker 8: in the world. He's the sixth richest man on the planet.

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 8: And so if you know anything about how the Clippers

774
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 8: have operated, right the intuit dough a building, as he says,

775
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 8: built in his own image for hardcore basketball fans like him,

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Speaker 8: using personal private money, no taxpayer of funds. He is

777
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Speaker 8: a guy who's expanded his front office, hired a zillion people.

778
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 8: Because that is uncapped, he can spend all of the

779
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 8: money on that. But the most important thing this hardcore

780
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 8: basketball fan needed, of course, taking over the team from

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00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 8: noted bad guy Donald Sterling is a franchise superstar. And

782
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 8: so the rule alleged to have been broken here is

783
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 8: that cardinal rule you gotta stay within the salary cap

784
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 8: for your actual players. And seven sources say that was

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Speaker 8: deliberately what was not done.

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Speaker 2: But was there a way that they could They could

787
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: argue that Kawhi Leonard did represent the company. He was

788
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 2: a name that was attached like, I'm just looking at

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00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: if I'm the Clippers, how do I get deniability?

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00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard because typically, you know, there's

791
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 8: this funny phrase in courtrooms. Hear like, you know, the absence.

792
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 5: Of evidence is not evidence.

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00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 8: Well, in this case, he was endorsing a company, and

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00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 8: the absence of evidence is the absence of any endorsement,

795
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 8: no tweets, no retweets, no favorites, no likes, no appearances,

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00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 8: no nothing according to the Internet, according to the sources,

797
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 8: we have nothing. And so the absence of evidence happens

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00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 8: to be in this very narrow but meaningful way the evidence.

799
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 8: And they might say, well, Steve Bomber didn't know about this.

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Speaker 8: But here is now where I think all of this

801
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 8: becomes a bit of an IQ test because what I

802
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 8: haven't mentioned that we get to in the story is

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00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 8: that Aspiration was not merely some random company. Aspiration on

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00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 8: media Day of twenty twenty one, and you can go

805
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 8: to the press conference footage and find it, they are

806
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 8: announced as this founding sponsor of the Los Angeles Clippers.

807
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 8: They are signage everywhere. Back of your court side seat

808
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 8: says Aspiration Dan, they were going to get the Jersey Patch.

809
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 8: The company collapsed into ruin and disgrace before they got there,

810
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 8: but that was the agreement.

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Speaker 4: It was announced.

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Speaker 8: They're headlines everywhere you can find them. You can see

813
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 8: the video, well, Steve Bomber right next to the guy

814
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Speaker 8: who pled guilty to two counts of wire fraud just

815
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 8: two weeks ago. So you can say we didn't know

816
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 8: about this, But then the IQ test is, and this

817
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 8: is another bit of reporting. Then why and this is

818
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 8: according to the sources who are on tape, the one

819
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 8: source we have who agreed to go on tape with

820
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Speaker 8: voice modulation because of the federal investigations that are ongoing

821
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 8: and concurrent in their experience, Uncle Dennis was calling as

822
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 8: the company was declining and unable to pay its bills,

823
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 8: was calling saying pay us. And inside of Aspiration, what

824
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 8: is very clear is that the number one priority, that

825
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 8: is a quote, the number one priority for this collapsing

826
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Speaker 8: fake Green bank was you gotta pay Kawhi Leonard. As

827
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 8: bankruptcy was on the horizon, as no one could pay

828
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Speaker 8: their bills, as no one else was getting paid, Kawhi

829
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 8: was getting paid. And the question I ask you is,

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Speaker 8: why was he priority number one for doing nothing at

831
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 8: a company that could not pay its bills. It would

832
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 8: seem that there was some influence from behind the scenes.

833
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: Pablo Tory, it's Pablo Tory finds out podcast Metal Art

834
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: Media and the Athletic.

835
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Speaker 6: Was it?

836
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Joe Smith Timberwolves? What was that five first round draft

837
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: picks that they were docked? I mean, if this is

838
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: all true, I got to believe that precedent has been

839
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Speaker 2: set here.

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00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 8: Pablo, Oh, oh, yeah, Look there's a history lesson here, right,

841
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 8: Joe Smith and Glenn Taylor. Glenn Taylor the piece of

842
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 8: paper they wrote off the books number one overall pick,

843
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 8: getting that side deal five picks. Glenn Taylor was suspended.

844
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 8: Kevin McHale, the GM of the team twenty five years

845
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 8: ago at the time, was put on leave. Fines were levied,

846
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 8: millions of dollars were levied. But I would say that

847
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 8: there's a difference here. And Mark Stein tweeted this out

848
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 8: helpfully because I defer to people who've been covering this

849
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 8: stuff even longer than me when it comes to well

850
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 8: how does this play out? He said, it is staggering

851
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 8: and unprecedented. What is being alleged in our reporting, and

852
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 8: so you could argue, at least Stein argues, this is

853
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 8: more than the Joe Smith story, right, This is actually

854
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 8: far more sophisticated and yet stupid at the same time,

855
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 8: given everything that I just gave a long wind up on.

856
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 8: And look, man, Dan, i'm you, and I I love

857
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 8: by the way that you care about these stories, because

858
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 8: I don't know if anybody really does with your level

859
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 8: of providence in your platform in that way. But how

860
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 8: this sausage gets made behind the scenes with owners and leagues.

861
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 8: Steve Bomber is the richest owner in all sports, and

862
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 8: Adam Silver's boss. Right, So this is not a real

863
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 8: justice system in the NBA. This is a business deal

864
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 8: they got to strike. How do you punish your own boss?

865
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 8: What are the other bosses, the twenty nine others you have?

866
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 8: What do they have to say about it? It's a

867
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 8: fascinating parlor game what the punishment ends up being.

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Speaker 2: And we don't know if those other owners have their

869
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: own little shell game going. I don't know how in

870
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: your reporting, if you know you're stumbling upon other owners

871
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: who you know, because people love to talk once the

872
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: first you know person gets outed. Now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: it feels like it's safe to out other people.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the difference here, And by the way, it's funny,

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Speaker 8: like my tip line has never been more more uh

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Speaker 8: used by by enemies of Jalen Brunson, right, like a

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Speaker 8: look into look into that one, right as well as

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Speaker 8: you know James, is.

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Speaker 5: There something in there with Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 8: Well, look how he arrived at the next that this

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Speaker 8: is where I will have to defer to the reporting

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Speaker 8: I may or may not do on this certainly was interesting, right, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 8: that's a pretty good deal for the next has some whatever. Anyway,

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Speaker 8: I don't want to get ahead of myself in terms

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Speaker 8: of it.

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Speaker 5: That's a tease. That's a tease.

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Speaker 8: It's a bit of a tease. Yeah, I'm trying a

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Speaker 8: little ankle with you. I always show a little bit

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Speaker 8: more ankle than I. But but by the way, subscribe,

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Speaker 8: like to subscribe. But but the thing about how often

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Speaker 8: this happens is a really fascinating question, because I would

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Speaker 8: argue that it doesn't happen to this scale and with

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Speaker 8: this level of documentation, which is only enabled because of

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Speaker 8: the collapse of this fraudulent company. The other stuff look historically, right,

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Speaker 8: I was. I was assuming because I'm maybe dumb, like

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Speaker 8: you would give a stock tip or something right like,

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Speaker 8: have someone else, you know, be multiple degrees away. You

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Speaker 8: wouldn't do it through a company that has its signage

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Speaker 8: on your building. But that's what our sources say is

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Speaker 8: exactly the thing that happened, and so in that way

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Speaker 8: kind of of its own. As as Stein was alluding.

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Speaker 2: To, good to talk to you again, I'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you with the Jalen Brunson story. Whenever that comes out, Pablo.

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Speaker 5: You'll you'll get you'll get some kneecap. Thank you that level. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it might be moving to thigh after that. Thank you, Pablo, Pablo,