WEBVTT - There Once Was a Boson Named Higgs

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And

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<v Speaker 1>don't go away, uh just yet, know to the listener,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know the title of this of this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>has Higgs in it. Higgs boson. You know, it's LHC.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all that stuff. It's subotomic particles, is subatomic physics.

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<v Speaker 1>But please don't run off this yet, because here's here's

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<v Speaker 1>my take on all of this, just real quick, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of look at subatomic particles and particle physics is

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<v Speaker 1>being kind of like a chocolate covered Urnal cake. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this yesterday, So chocolate covered Urnal cake. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's great so long as you do not bite in

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<v Speaker 1>too far, as long as you know exactly how deep

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<v Speaker 1>to go into the subject, and everything's chocolate and nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Go too deep and things get confusing, confusing and awful

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<v Speaker 1>really really fast. That's just my personal take. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>meaning to dump on physics or particle physics. It's very important,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna stress the importance of Higgs and everything

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. But we're very much approaching this from

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<v Speaker 1>the standpoint of we're going to break it down and

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what you need to know about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to go so deep that we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hit Urnal cake. Yeah, and if if you're really disturbed

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<v Speaker 1>by the Urnal cake, just think of it as the

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<v Speaker 1>most decadant chocolate covered dessert, not a Urnal cake that

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<v Speaker 1>you could only take a couple of bites of. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>be very satisfied by anything else if you'd have a

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<v Speaker 1>tummy ache. Yeah, because this is one of those those topics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really important. That's why it's in the news all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But I feel like we have a tendency

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<v Speaker 1>to not read articles that are actually about higgs, or

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<v Speaker 1>to just we just sort of register, oh, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>happening with the Higgs, and you can go on like

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<v Speaker 1>that for months and months and never actually stop to

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to understand what it is. And then certainly scientists

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<v Speaker 1>face that disconnect to trying to explain something that's really

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<v Speaker 1>really complicated. It's it's right at the bleeding edge of

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<v Speaker 1>our understanding, and only that it's it's a it's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting exciting stuff because it says something about the way

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<v Speaker 1>that our whole world is is stuck together and how

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<v Speaker 1>we actually exist. So we're gonna try to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of that today without too much urine in

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<v Speaker 1>the urine cake, too much chocolate and the chocolate cake,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. So why is it in the news, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because in the past couple of weeks and we

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<v Speaker 1>should mention that we were recording this h what's the date,

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<v Speaker 1>July seventeen, Yeah, we're recording this July seventeen thereabouts eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what day it is. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're abouts. That's the time bubble that we're trapped in

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<v Speaker 1>recording us. It's entirely likely there'll be a new development

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<v Speaker 1>before this goes live. We may or may not have

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<v Speaker 1>time to edit things that that's the case, So just

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<v Speaker 1>bear with us. Uh, if you if you're hearing this

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<v Speaker 1>six months from now and there's all this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>crazy news out there that has given us new to

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<v Speaker 1>the understanding of Higgs, please please do not become incensed

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Yeah, but but this is all the data

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<v Speaker 1>in here is going to be good bedrock regardless. So

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<v Speaker 1>the whole news is that, you know, we've been searching

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<v Speaker 1>for the Higgs boson for a while, we've been we've

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<v Speaker 1>been slamming stuff together in a particle accelerator, which we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into in a minute. We've been give another word,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been conducting this massive experiment to try and glimpse

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<v Speaker 1>this particle, uh that only exists for a fraction of

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<v Speaker 1>a second. We think it theoretically should exist, and we

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<v Speaker 1>want to find it. And so they have spotted something

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<v Speaker 1>they think maybe it, but we're not sure yet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's important to say that that right now, physicists

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<v Speaker 1>are simply calling it Higgs, like uh, not the Higgs

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<v Speaker 1>Boson particle. So um. And the reason they're doing that

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<v Speaker 1>is because they have a bunch of data. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>a mountain of data. But they want to be really

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<v Speaker 1>careful about it because it could be just turned out

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<v Speaker 1>to be not the Higgs particle but a different particle, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or something more exotic version of it. It's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>is writing on finding it, though, because we'll discuss I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole standard model of physics points towards its existence

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<v Speaker 1>right right, and everything else lines up in the standard model. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so everything that we can make sense and it we

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<v Speaker 1>we have plugged everything in. We can see where things

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<v Speaker 1>are working, and we just need this last bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the puzzle, and Higgs is it's it's the clue that

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<v Speaker 1>makes everything happen. Um. Let's talk about certain real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is a multinational research center headquartered in Geneva,

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<v Speaker 1>and it houses the super collider that we've been talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>called the Large Hadron Collider. There are two teams of

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<v Speaker 1>about three thousand physicists, each one named ATLAS, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>led by Fabulo Legion note and the other CMS is

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<v Speaker 1>led by dr Incandeta, and they operate giant detectors in

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<v Speaker 1>the collider, sorting the debris from the primordial fireballs left

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<v Speaker 1>after protown collisions. Now I'll give you a quick run

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<v Speaker 1>throound the protoun collisions. Um. So in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>this situation where we have all this stuff we can

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<v Speaker 1>analyze and try and spot things like the higgs um

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<v Speaker 1>what we have at the l h C. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>massive track, all right, this massive ring of super conducting magnets,

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<v Speaker 1>about seventeen miles of these things, giant underground loop. It

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<v Speaker 1>spans France and UH in Switzerland. Ever, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>to think of it in terms of UH. If you

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<v Speaker 1>remember the Adams family. Gomez Adams had the trains that

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<v Speaker 1>he would set up, but he would set them up

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<v Speaker 1>so that he would eventually have two trains have a

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<v Speaker 1>head on collision and crash, a big fiery explosive crash

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<v Speaker 1>there on his his model train set. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>how they came up with the idea of LHD. Right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's fun to think think of it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way I imagine it, because he would get

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<v Speaker 1>real giddy and you would just be watching the super

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<v Speaker 1>close as those things collided. And that's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of using trains, um, we are sending two

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<v Speaker 1>beams of particles close to the speed of light through

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<v Speaker 1>that ring, each traveling in a different direction, all inside

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<v Speaker 1>of a vacuum. And then the collision and happens. All right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>things get smashed apart, and in that moment, that this

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<v Speaker 1>moment of chaos, we can glimpse these just ephemeral particles

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<v Speaker 1>that only exist, Um, you know in the this that

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<v Speaker 1>minute sliver of time following such a catastrophe. And we

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<v Speaker 1>know the mass of the different particles, right, So for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>a proton is about a billion electric volts when it's

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<v Speaker 1>smashed and then it begins to decay UM. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a specific signature that each of these particles has,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's believed that that our friend Higgs, that particle

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<v Speaker 1>has has a very specific range I think between something

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<v Speaker 1>I'm around there. And so what they began to see

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<v Speaker 1>is these what they call data bumps in this decay factor,

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<v Speaker 1>these signatures, and last winter they reported these hints of

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<v Speaker 1>this particle, this ghost of a particle in the machine UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wanted to make sure it wasn't us to

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<v Speaker 1>hisstical fluke, and it wasn't. And they've been working with

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<v Speaker 1>from Labs to in in Illinois because they also have

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<v Speaker 1>a collider and trying to figure out, I, hey, is

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<v Speaker 1>this little ghost for seeing something a hint of what

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<v Speaker 1>could be the Higgs particle? Of course, you know who

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<v Speaker 1>else UM has a particle accelerator? Who the Ghostbusters if

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<v Speaker 1>you'll remember the proton pop packs were particle accelerators, That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So so we're talking about very similar technology here, except

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<v Speaker 1>instead of being used to harness a spirit and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and force it into a trap, we're instead just aiming

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<v Speaker 1>them at each other. In a way, we're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the streams were just colliding streams, right, well, plasma

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<v Speaker 1>involved in both. Right. Yeah, Um, that was an attempt

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<v Speaker 1>at a at a Higgs joke. But but there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of attempts at Higgs jokes going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a rich area of comedy. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is the reason, I think, because because everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>that it's it's it's exciting news. It could change our

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<v Speaker 1>view of physics. Uh. And yet it's such a weighty

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<v Speaker 1>topic that I think that it's gotten some fuel here

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<v Speaker 1>from from comedy because you know, it's very hard to understand,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet people are trying to put it in terms

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense of it and a little um less

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of it too, because it's gonna be intimidating. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like particle physics. But you throw in a joke about it,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's a little more relatable. Well you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>fat joke. There are a lot of fat jokes about it,

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<v Speaker 1>mass jokes. Yeah. Um. Holly Fry from pop Stuff actually

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to me yesterday about the whole brew haha

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<v Speaker 1>about comic sands, the font that was used by CERN

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<v Speaker 1>in their power point slide when they were discussing their

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<v Speaker 1>discovery of this Higgs like particle, and people are just outraged.

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<v Speaker 1>Comics Sands, Is that the one that looks like illuminated

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<v Speaker 1>stand um? Yeah? Yeah, it actually is a font. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a font that is intended for children, was designed for

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<v Speaker 1>that purpose. It's very easy to read. Um. But people

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<v Speaker 1>are like, really like this huge relation that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be now released into the world with that font um,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are going nuts. Ober. I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>funny there they were. They were torn between that one

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<v Speaker 1>and the blood drippy font you know, one of the two. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe like the nineteen twenties like Broadway font um.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I think that, you know, maybe it was intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they felt like if they took this really simplistic

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<v Speaker 1>font and um and then gave all this really heavy

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<v Speaker 1>information that people would be more psychic psychologically primed to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, okay, I can get this who knows um.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a bunch of big Higgs jokes going around

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<v Speaker 1>to Here's one Higgs Boston walks into a Catholic church

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<v Speaker 1>pret says, what are you doing here? Higgs Boston says,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have mass without me? Yeah, because yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll explain that later. Yeah, we're gonna get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. We should probably set aside Higgs jokes unless

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<v Speaker 1>you have any more. Now, I mean, that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>example of one, right there. Um. I mean, because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them legacy come down to wait, they come

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<v Speaker 1>down mass, because the Higgs is very tied up in

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of mass and why does anything have mass? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>So we need to talk a little bit about standard

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<v Speaker 1>model now. The the thing about standard model UM is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's about explaining the complexity of our universe. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about trying to really get down to what makes up

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, what are the rules concerning its structure. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really important. You know, we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>the structure of the universe, the origins of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard, but it's also kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>old It reminds me of the you know, the analogy

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<v Speaker 1>of the elephant, the blind men grasping of the elephant.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the past we've you know, various areas of

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<v Speaker 1>science have been touching one part of the elephant is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>oh it's a tree, Oh it's a snake, Oh it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a it's it's a sale or something that's

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<v Speaker 1>a giant pancake, it's a wall. But what we really

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<v Speaker 1>want is a more complete vision of what the universe

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<v Speaker 1>is and how it works, and so standard models an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to do that. Um. Yeah, And for historical context,

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<v Speaker 1>you should point out that in the early days of

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century, particle physics was really in its infancy,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about you know, just knowing about two particles,

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<v Speaker 1>protons and electrons. That was the extent of our knowledge. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we discovered adams and protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks

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<v Speaker 1>and leptons eventually, So when we keep diving deeper. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and so uh enter the standard model, which describes

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<v Speaker 1>the universe as being made of twelve different matter particles

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<v Speaker 1>and four forces. Okay, those twelve particles include six quarks,

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<v Speaker 1>six leptons, but don't worry about that right now. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it also involves these four forces gravity, electromagnetic force,

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<v Speaker 1>strong force, and weak force. Yes, and those I think

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot easier to grasp. Um. Those those different forces,

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<v Speaker 1>they work over different ranges and they have different strengths.

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<v Speaker 1>Gravity is the weakest, but it has an infinite range.

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<v Speaker 1>The electromagnetic force so has an infinite range, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>many times stronger than gravity. The weak and strong forces

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<v Speaker 1>are effective only over a short, very short range and

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<v Speaker 1>dominate only at the level of sub atomic particles. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's really where Higgs Boston becomes important here. Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>despite its name, the weak force is much stronger than

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<v Speaker 1>gravity that it is actually the weakest of of the

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<v Speaker 1>other three the strong forces, as that the name says,

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<v Speaker 1>the strongest of the forces. Yeah, the theory proposes that electricity, magnetism, light,

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<v Speaker 1>and some types of radioactivity are all manifestations of that

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<v Speaker 1>single electroweak force. Uh. So it unites the electromagnetic and

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<v Speaker 1>weak forces, two of the four fundamental forces of nature,

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<v Speaker 1>along with strong force and gravity. But this theory only

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<v Speaker 1>holds water if the particles in question had no mass,

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<v Speaker 1>zero mass in the period immediately following the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 1>So we this theory creates this situation where we have

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<v Speaker 1>there has to be this time when they had no mass,

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<v Speaker 1>so there has to be something it is giving them mass.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to find a perpetrator, a suspect, somebody we

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<v Speaker 1>can pin mass itself on. So it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's been stealing the donuts. We don't know who, but

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<v Speaker 1>we know that person exists. We know that that donut

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<v Speaker 1>thief exists somewhere and we just have to spot them.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this case, the donut thief is the Higgs boson.

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<v Speaker 1>It is this is the particle that theoretically is well

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<v Speaker 1>not stealing donuts, but um is involved in the process

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<v Speaker 1>of giving things mass. Okay, Yeah, And three of the

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental forces result from the exchange of force carrier carrier particles. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, this belongs to the broader group called bosons. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where Higgs boson comes in. So that is

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<v Speaker 1>this exchange, that's what's giving it mass. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is what works in the equation. So all of these forces,

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<v Speaker 1>these four forces that we're talking about UM, theoretically then

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<v Speaker 1>aligned to a particular particle. That's right. So Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you've got each fund of fundamental force having its

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<v Speaker 1>own corresponding boson particle. The strong forces carried by the gluon,

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<v Speaker 1>the electromagnetic forces carried by the photon um little packets

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<v Speaker 1>of light as we know them, and the W and

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<v Speaker 1>Z bosons are responsible for the weak force. Yeahs Um particle.

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<v Speaker 1>Physicists don't like for you to call Higgs Boson the

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<v Speaker 1>god particle, but you can kind of think of these

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<v Speaker 1>little particles as gods of their corresponding UM force. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in the w Z, it gets it gets complicated fast,

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<v Speaker 1>Like even just throwing this set, you guys are probably

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<v Speaker 1>w Z the glue on the dada. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about them all corresponding with those different forces, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot easier to to understand. Um. And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course you're policy sitting there saying what about gravity? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's you know, we haven't found this particle yet

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<v Speaker 1>to correspond with gravity, but um, we expect something called

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<v Speaker 1>the graviton to be a force caring particle of gravity,

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<v Speaker 1>and gravity is the problem of the standard model. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to CERN, it's not as big a problem as

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<v Speaker 1>we think it is. Though. Um. They seem to dawnplay

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. They say that fitting gravity comfortably into the

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<v Speaker 1>framework has proved to be a difficult challenge. The quantum

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<v Speaker 1>theory used to describe the micro world and the general

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<v Speaker 1>theory of relativity used to describe the macro world are

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<v Speaker 1>like two children who refused to play nicely together. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>these there's gonna be so many different examples when when

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<v Speaker 1>we come to talking about this, which is helpful, right

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<v Speaker 1>because and now we're thinking about two kids not playing

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<v Speaker 1>with each other. They say, no, one has managed to

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<v Speaker 1>make the two mathematically compatible in the context of the

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<v Speaker 1>Standard Model. But luckily for particle physics, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the minuscule scale of particles, the effect of gravity

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<v Speaker 1>is so weak as to be negligible. So only when

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<v Speaker 1>we have matter in bulks, such as in ourselves or

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<v Speaker 1>in planets does the effect of gravity dominate. So the

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<v Speaker 1>standard model still works well despite its reluctant exclusion of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the fundamental forces. So again, two blind men,

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<v Speaker 1>varying ideas. It is the varying theories don't necessarily mess

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<v Speaker 1>well with one right, So they're saying, okay, we we

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<v Speaker 1>you know that we have a missing part here, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is still sort of limping along in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>bearing out what we think is happening, and we expect

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<v Speaker 1>to find this other corresponding particle, so that out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way, and knowing that the Higgs boson is really

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<v Speaker 1>important here, that w n C that we're talking about, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk more specifically about this particle that is involved

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<v Speaker 1>in making the standard model work as best it can.

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<v Speaker 1>This particle uh emits what is called Higgs field. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>and this field and use all the particles that passed

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<v Speaker 1>through it with mass, this this powerful thing called mass.

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<v Speaker 1>This almost I mean, it's it's difficult to imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>universe without mass. We have to think when I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this field. This field is the size of the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 1>It is that big of a field. It's not like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this field here, this one little doorway, this magic door,

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<v Speaker 1>and every particle that goes through it became uh a

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<v Speaker 1>masked object. So it's a thing like a photon. The

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<v Speaker 1>packet of light, right is going to go through this

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<v Speaker 1>field because it doesn't have any mass, It's just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go through really quickly, right um. And then you'd have

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<v Speaker 1>something like the W and Z bosons, these elementary particles

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<v Speaker 1>that mediate the weak interaction, that force that we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>would get bogged down with mass. Um. Assuming that the

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<v Speaker 1>Higgs bosson really is existing in here. And and this

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<v Speaker 1>is what we found, and this is what's happening. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>that has mass gets it by interacting with this field.

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<v Speaker 1>As you say, yeah, there's a good Uh. The analogy

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<v Speaker 1>that I ran across the Everyway Light comes from John Gunion,

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<v Speaker 1>physicist at the University of California at Davis, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said that, in short, the Higgs field is a cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>sized swimming pool and everything is swimming in it. Particles

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<v Speaker 1>that interact strongly with the Higgs field like a heavy

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<v Speaker 1>set man swimming with his clothes on, um, are heavier

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<v Speaker 1>than particles that breathe through the pool like an a

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<v Speaker 1>Limics Olympic swimmer in a wetsuit. Uh. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>analogy very much, and I want to point out to

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of confusion between the Higgs particle

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<v Speaker 1>in the field. Um. They are two different things, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Higgs particle is inseparable from its field, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is this exchange of particles with a background field

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<v Speaker 1>that is giving the mass. And I know I keep

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<v Speaker 1>repeating it, but it's good to understand that that the

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<v Speaker 1>muck that it's going through these exchanges. So what is

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<v Speaker 1>giving this stuff um some weight? Um. There is another

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<v Speaker 1>analogy that I liked quite a bit. Um because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>just because it's super silly. Martin Archer of physicist at

0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Imperial Imperial College of London explains it as, Uh, think

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<v Speaker 1>about Justin Bieber in a crowd of teenage girls. If

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<v Speaker 1>he tries to move through them, they slow him down

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<v Speaker 1>and his speed decreases the more they're attracted to him.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's having a lot of exchanges in this field,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to so and so, Uh through this crowd

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<v Speaker 1>of teenage girls who just passes through very quickly, and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have any mass or isn't accumulating any mass

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<v Speaker 1>because this person is not having any exchanges with the

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<v Speaker 1>wildly gesticulating teenage girls. Yeah, alright, Yeah, I'm having a

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<v Speaker 1>hold back from throwing trying to throw in my own

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<v Speaker 1>and out because we've we're already weighted down with with analogies. Yeah, Marver,

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<v Speaker 1>we are interacting a lot with these analogy He's and

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<v Speaker 1>gaining mass um by the second here. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out one more though, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good way to enter into this conversation about

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<v Speaker 1>a large hattern collider. Turns out that Brian Cox, who

0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.800
<v Speaker 1>was a particle physicist and reactor, not the older awesome actor,

0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.240
<v Speaker 1>but the younger Rocks are scientists. Such. Yeah, that's what

0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.560
<v Speaker 1>they call him. Um, he's funny, he's great, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can see why he's doing so many talks on TED

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<v Speaker 1>because he's a great science communicator. Uh. But he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about CERN and trying to get funding for this

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<v Speaker 1>and that They talked to Margaret Thatcher about it and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, you know, if you can tell us what

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<v Speaker 1>the deep this thing is, then you make it explainable

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<v Speaker 1>to politicians, then um, then I will give you the

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<v Speaker 1>funding for it. But you've got to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of analogy that works. Well, what what sort

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<v Speaker 1>of analogy do you think they use? That They used

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<v Speaker 1>the room analogy again, and they said, this really popular politician. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that people really wanted to interact coming through

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<v Speaker 1>the room getting slowed down. So I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that that's where that analogy was first used and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what helped to get the funding for certain Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well, hey, we're going to take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and let let all of that gain some mass

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<v Speaker 1>in your head, and then when we come back, we

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<v Speaker 1>will bite once more into the chocolate covered journal cake

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<v Speaker 1>or just delicious decadentge slice of cake. All right, we're back,

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<v Speaker 1>so Higgs Higgs, Okay, I think we have a better understanding. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's the forces of nature require that that

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<v Speaker 1>mecan is m to make sense, that standard model, and

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<v Speaker 1>Higgs to be a part of it, and as a byproduct,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I exist, we think because and this is

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<v Speaker 1>according to Brian Cox, because many of the particles that

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<v Speaker 1>make us up get at least part of their mass

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<v Speaker 1>through Higgs. So on a personal level, that's why it

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<v Speaker 1>should matter to us. Um. But let's talk about the

0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.520
<v Speaker 1>large Hydrin collider because we wouldn't even be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this today if it weren't for for this giant machine

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<v Speaker 1>that we talked about, this seventeen mile circumference, this beast

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<v Speaker 1>lurking below. Yeah. Well we've got into it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit already, but I like to add just a little

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<v Speaker 1>more detail. Um. I mentioned that racetrack and you just

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned as well, Um, you have seven thousand super conducting

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<v Speaker 1>magnets that are in there to steer the protons around. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's uh, it's it's not just a matter of oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the core, you know, because you think back

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<v Speaker 1>to like a like a little race cars and little courses.

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<v Speaker 1>We have like that one little module that accelerates it

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<v Speaker 1>and then it just goes around. Well, the accelerators are

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<v Speaker 1>all around this ring. Well, and as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>they're traveling at nine nine point one and one seven

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<v Speaker 1>five the speed of light, right, and the l C

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<v Speaker 1>LHC actually boost the protons energy by nearly sixteen times

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<v Speaker 1>and collides to them thirty million times a second for

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<v Speaker 1>ten hours. So I mean this is, ah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bashing. Um. So when we think about what

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<v Speaker 1>it means to have these collisions, that's the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>um environment that they are creating in order to try

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<v Speaker 1>to recreate this um, this idea of the Big Bang

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<v Speaker 1>or the billions of seconds, what happened after the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why it's so specific and why they bashed

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<v Speaker 1>them together this way. Yeah, I mean, in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like anything that happens on any given

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<v Speaker 1>episode of MythBusters. They're like, oh, what happens with can

0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 1>if two trucks uh sandwich vehicle? Can it actually you know,

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.040
<v Speaker 1>completely crush it? So what do they do. They get

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a couple of trucks in a car and they smash

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<v Speaker 1>everything together. I mean, recreating, um, this catastrophic event for

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the purposes of studying how it works, and that's essentially

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 1>what's going on here, uh, except in a more complicated,

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>uh and smaller form. I like this idea of them

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<v Speaker 1>being MythBusters because this is a playful group. By the way, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you may have seen the rap that they put out

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<v Speaker 1>about the large Headron collider. I love it. What are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna? I mean, it's it's good. It's just uh,

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:21.400
<v Speaker 1>it's uh, you know, there's just something it's you can't

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<v Speaker 1>help a cringe a little bit. When when when scientists, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so adorably geeky. It's adorably geeky, but it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>beastie boys. It's not. Oh no, but that's the charm

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 1>of it, right, well, yeah, it's the charm. You gotta

0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 1>love it. They're like, let's do this wrap about the

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>large Headron collider, and actually they kind of speak like that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and the it's good. It's good. I'm not bastian. It's

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.879
<v Speaker 1>it's funny. No, no, it's good stuff. But but I

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 1>think it's important for people in it, like they have

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a sense of humor. They're they're playing with us. They're

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.639
<v Speaker 1>not just stuffy scientists who are all you know. I

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 1>don't care if the public understands what we're doing. You know,

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not that kind of a deal. Yeah, they're very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the guys on the on the Atlas program

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago, did he wrap. No, he

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<v Speaker 1>did not wrap. But he was a very very nice,

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<v Speaker 1>very down to earth guy who was willing to talk

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<v Speaker 1>with me on the phone and sort of break down UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what they were looking for and how the

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.919
<v Speaker 1>project works so well, and like they are obviously so

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>excited about it, and that comes across and and it's

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 1>wonderful to see UM. But I want to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about the LHC and UM, this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of them smashing the particles together and how they actually

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<v Speaker 1>discovered the signature of the Higgs boson. The theory was

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<v Speaker 1>that um in this cosmic molasses normally uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be invisible as Higgs field, it would produce

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>its own quantum particle. If it was hit hard enough

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<v Speaker 1>with the right amount of energy, which is why they

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>have um that amount of energy that they've got running

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>through there. The particle would be fragile and would fall

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<v Speaker 1>apart within a millionth of a second and a dozen

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 1>possible ways, depending on its own mass, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>find the signatures by being able to recognize the particles

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that are produced in these collisions with their decay patterns.

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>So these are the signatures that are left behind. And

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 1>each court has many different ways of decaying, so there

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>are several possible signatures and each one has to be

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<v Speaker 1>carefully examined to determine which particles were present at the

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<v Speaker 1>time of collision. So we're talking about anytime there's a collision,

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<v Speaker 1>just terabytes of data that is produced and then fed

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<v Speaker 1>through computers and then combed through until they could find

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>these really specific bumps um that we talked about. This

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like a hundred and thirty electrical vaults

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>that they kept seeing over and over again or within

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that range, and this is that ghost of a pattern

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that I talked about. Yeah, the machine, it's I mean,

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty fascinating. We we've talked before about kind of

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the disappointment of like older visions of the future, and

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>they would involve say, really advanced space stations that never

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 1>actually came to fruition or at least have a confruition yet.

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.120
<v Speaker 1>But the LFC is one of those things where it's

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible piece of just kind of an age technology

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<v Speaker 1>that is really pushing the boundaries of what we understand.

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's not necessarily the kind of thing that would

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>have appeared in most science fictions, you know, it's but

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just as exciting when you really really think about

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 1>what it's seeking to accomplish. That's just the pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>Loan of the LHC are phenomenal. And you see how

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>mammoth this machine is, and it really does look like

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<v Speaker 1>something from the future. It does look like this manifestation

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<v Speaker 1>of what we thought you might look like in the sixties, right, um,

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties. But I think more importantly too,

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>if you step back and you look at this development

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 1>and it does seem like, Okay, it's murky, you know,

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 1>is it the particle? Is it not? You know, what

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>are the implications? Um? If you step back and you

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>look at everything that we've accomplished so far, it does

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>appear that we are in the cusp of a different

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:54.200
<v Speaker 1>understanding of our universe. Yeah, I've seen it, um. Compared

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 1>to a Christopher Columbus, you know, his voyage to the

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>New World, and you know he thought he was he

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>was you know, he said sail for the East Indies

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and he landed and what he thought was Asia, and

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 1>they're not to actually be the Bahamas. So we we

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>have no idea. We were not really sure exactly what's

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen, you know, perhaps what what we're gonna find

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the Higgs. In other words, we're gonna land on and

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the Asian continent that we set out for, but it's

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>entirely possible that we land in the Bahamas instead. But

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 1>either way, our understanding of not the the world we

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>live in, and not the only out of the oceans

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and continents, but the the the actual fabric of the

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>universe itself, our understanding of that is going to change.

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, our map of the

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>cosmos is shifting. I think um Brian Cox again the

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>rock star physicist, UM paraphrase Carl Sagen, and he said,

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, look out Saturn, five rockets and spot Nik

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 1>and DNA and literature and science. These are the things

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that hydrogen atoms do when given thirteen point seven billion years.

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>So he's saying like, let's back up said hands after

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the Big Bang and see what a hydrogen atom can

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 1>do after thirteen billion years, And as you say that

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the sort of understanding that we gain. Um, So I

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>thought that was a very nice way to put it.

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>That's why this is important to us. Well, do we

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>want to take a little listen to to what we

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.959
<v Speaker 1>have some snified data here, um, which which we were

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about early sonified data is always a little uh.

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's great, but it's also a little gimmicky

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 1>because you're just you're taking data and you're turning into

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>into sound and you're not necessarily gaining an immense amount

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>of insight into the original data by hearing it is sound,

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's still real. It's really cool, and it is

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>really cool because the data, I guess you could say

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that you could extrapolate this. The data is creating sort

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of notes. It's got math and musicality to it. So

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>if you were if when you tun it into to music,

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.959
<v Speaker 1>you do have I mean, I don't know, it's not

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 1>this is not what Higgs sounds like when it sings,

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>but it's kind of like what Higgs sound like if

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>it were a score to the nineteen eighties science fiction

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>film Let's See There You Go or in the Hands

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of Brianino exactly. It does sound a lot like some

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>of the you know, some more ambient work. So so yeah,

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>let's listen to U the sound of Higgs. I like it.

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I could, I could listen to that. I listened to

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>things that sound a lot like that. So so again,

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>sonified data. Um, it's not necessarily really giving us a

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of insight, but is it? At the very least,

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>it's cool when it can serve as kind of a

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>nice um spoonful of sugar, you know, on the medicine

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>to get people interested in science. Well, and it's a

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>manifestation of of Higgs in one way. Right, the data

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>just went into your ear. So alright, let's see what's

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>going on with the mail. Yes, call the robot over here,

0:29:56.240 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and let's see what he has for us. All right,

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>here's one from William William Wrightson and says, Hi, Robert

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and Julie in regards to the episode, is Matthew human

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>invention or a human discovery? That was a good one? Um,

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>he says, well, here is what I think neither. Let

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 1>me explain Matthews. He used in a lot of animals,

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>including birds, which use very new these principle which states

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>that fast moving air is lighter than slow moving air.

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I love the podcast, William, so it was kind of brief,

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>but but it does. He brings up an interesting, um,

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, kind of a semiatic point, right, that

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>that a human invention is a human to discover you

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of have to remove the human from the argument

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to really get maybe a clearer grasp of how the

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>universe were well and serendipitously, we're discussing mass again too, right, yeah,

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it's moving through air. All right. Here's one we heard

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>from a listener by the name of Tom out of Brooklyn,

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>New York, and he wrote in and says the following, Hi,

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Robert and Julie, thanks for the killer episode about underwater

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>recording and music. As a listener and fan, episode inspired

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>me to write in, I wanted to share a funny

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>experience with you guys related to this very topic. I'm

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>a recording engineer by Perfection and co owned and operate Brooklyn,

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>New York Spaceman Sounds. Can you tell where sci fi

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>folks like you guys? Last year, when Hurricane Irene was

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>descending upon us, we were informed that our studio was

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>in an evacuation in zone A, meaning in case of

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a hurricane or similar event, our premises would likely be flooded,

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and we would We were made to evacuate. Given our

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>sizeable studio full of recording equipment and instruments, this was

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a daunting endeavor. My band, called Title Arms More Space References,

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:37.760
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0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>our evacuation and insisted on battering down the hatches ahead

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of time. Our conversation dissolved into dark jokes about going

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>down with the ship and recording new tunes at the

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>studio got flooded, facing certain electrocution. Uh, then this susper

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the question, wait can we record underwater again? For going responsibility,

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>we filled up the swap sink in the corner of

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the room with water. We dropped one of our less

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>precious microphones into a plastic bag, sealed it up, plocked

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it in. I'll be damned if it wasn't the most

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>awesome low frequency reverb sound I've ever heard mixed with

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>a normal high fi condenser microphone in the room. It

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>gave a monstrous, massive kick drum sound. Anyway, we didn't

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and we did end up evacuating the next day, and

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't a drop of water in the space despite

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>all the work for not we were relieved there was

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>no water damage. In fact, we learned a totally rad

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>recording trip. Thanks Irene, just I just wanted to share

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 1>this with you guys. This your episode reminded me of

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>it immediately. Thanks for the amazing undersee the mystery sounds

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and the usual array of killer space age conversation. To

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 1>keep up the great work, and this is cool. After

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Tom sent this in, I was, you know, I'm like, well,

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>you gotta send me the file of that, you know,

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>because he's gotten kind of excited about this. So he

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 1>did send in a file. And what we're gonna listen

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>to now, as he said, he had two microphones, one

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in the slop sync and and one this is out

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>in the open air and uh and so both of

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>these microphone is recording, uh, the sounds of the that

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>they were playing. So what we're gonna listen to here

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 1>is just a brief clip that is a composed of

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>sound from both of those microphones. So yeah, yeah, that's

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. It's gonna be awesome. You can definitely hear

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>like you said that that that the watery, murky sort

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of bloopy lever thing going into the background. Well, and

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I just love too that this hurricane was about to

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>hit and they're like, hey, speaking of what would happen

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>if we dropped this microphone in here. I like it.

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>It's something you tend not to see the most post

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>apocalyptic or disaster films or whatever, you know, where it's like, oh,

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.239
<v Speaker 1>my goodness, the world is ending, let's cut an album. Right,

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>So I'm so in the flow that let's just go

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>with it. Yeah. So, so that's really cool. Thanks for

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>sending that into all right, and if if you guys

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.080
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0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.360
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