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This is just absolutely 16 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: fascinating in terms of who's winning and some of the 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: other behind the scenes fights that are happening right now. 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: Trump is currently playing Maga civil war mediator between Steve 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: Bannon and Elon Musk, and has asked Bannon last month 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: that he wants him to sit down with Elon and 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: to hash out their differences. He also asked him to 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: stop a series of blistering attacks on the super White 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: House Advisor and the Tesla CEO. Now, no meeting has 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: actually happened yet, and it's quote not clear if one 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: actually will. And all of this is because Musk. He 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: has called Musk, for example, a parasitic illegal immigrant, a 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: truly evil person. He's called him out also in terms 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: of medicaid cuts, entitlements, the vision on doge just generally, 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: whether they quote oligarchs in them should be in power recently, Actually, 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 3: he replied to a tweet, this was just last month. 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: Ian Miles Chong tweeted, Stephen see Bannon's just mad. Elon's 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 3: getting all the attention for doing a damn good job 34 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: with USAI d let Man. Hegseth manage the DoD Elon replied, 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: Bannon is a great talker, but not a great doer. 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: What did he get done this week? Nothing? 37 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: So okay, send to your bullet Steve Ban. Yeah. 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: And so Steve Bannon, you know, even told New York 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: Times quote he's still he's still not a popular nationalists, 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: he's a globalist and quote he and I have a 41 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: chasm that is probably insurmountable. Thought it was absolutely interesting 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: because at the very same time that this is all 43 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: playing out. We're getting a lot of indications of like 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: who's winning this. You're talking in your monologue, Crystal about 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: Elon basically, you know, getting huge support from the President 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: of the United States saying that he's going to go 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: out and buy a Tesla today to prop up the 48 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: stock after it lost like fifteen percent of its value 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: just yesterday. I think it's erased all of its gains 50 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: from the day that Trump got himself elected. Similarly, right now, 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: inside of Doge, there is a fear that public backlash 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: is and the PR crisis basically that they find themselves 53 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: in is that they're quote searching for wins. So this 54 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: profile into them is absolutely fascinating. Let's put this on 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: the screen. Quote turmoil within Dose spills into public view 56 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: as Musk's group confronts a PR crisis. Elon Musk Doge 57 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: is hunting for wins as it raises to finish slashing 58 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: the federal bureaucrac and move on to more quote constructive 59 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: work of building digital tools. 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: For the government. 61 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: So there is a feeling, according to this insider account 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: from Doge, is that quote I think everyone there knows 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: they need to do a better job of telling the 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: story and that it's going to be a big component 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: of the next phase of Doge leaning into storytelling and 66 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: showing the wins and not having the story told for them. 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: They have had obviously issues of navigating this, just with 68 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: the Doge account claims of things that were cut, having 69 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: to bring people back, a lot of it having to 70 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: just do with the chaotic nature of Elon himself, but 71 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: more broadly, I just thought it was interesting because they 72 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: are starting to feel pressure, at least from the outside 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: and possibly from the inside as well. Elon did an 74 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: interview yesterday in the White House where he said he 75 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: would stay on with DOGE for at least another year 76 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: or is that he wants to and he said I 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: would like to cut up a trillion if we're not stopped. 78 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: I thought it was an interesting line for him to 79 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: throw out there, So maybe he's feeling pressure as well. 80 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, very interesting. 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: And those quotes that the Washington Post got, they actually 82 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: got leaked audio, so it's not like a you know, 83 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: someone in the room claim blah blah blah. They actually, 84 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, they had the transfer. They were able to 85 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: listen to the audio to get quotes like I need 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: wins to defend and to really get a sense of 87 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: the fact that there is a bit of an internal 88 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: freak out at DOGE because they realize that the you know, 89 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: they're looking at the polls, they see that people are 90 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: moving on from the general support from of like, oh, yes, 91 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: let's trim the government, let's trim the fat, let's root 92 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: out the waste for an abuse to their more specific 93 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: experience with the federal government, and also just the chaos 94 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: of this and the lives that they've gotten caught in 95 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: and all of those sorts of things. There's also some 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: interesting notes in this article as well about how some 97 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: of the things that they've been doing have been incredibly counterproductive. So, 98 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: you know, before Elon Musk and DOGE came in, in fact, 99 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: they took over this digital service agency that did some 100 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: of the things that Musk claims to want to do 101 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: about making government technology quote quote more efficient. And so 102 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: one of the things they say here is Musk is 103 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: repeatedly criticized Social Security, one of the government's most popular programs. 104 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: Do staffers have been working inside the agency, but an 105 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: effort to give the Social Security website and services a 106 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: user friendly digital overhaul was already underway. At the US 107 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: Digital Service until Musk pushed out the team working on it, 108 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: so they actually were already working on a thing that 109 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: he would want them to work on, and then those 110 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: people were pushed down and so now they're starting from scratch. 111 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: I mean it just again shows like the nature of 112 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: just coming in thinking you know everything, and also you 113 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: know they're The focus from Elon has been much more 114 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: on this sort of grand standing and throwing his weight 115 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: around and really crippling agencies that his companies directly interact with. 116 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: Then I think a focus on these how do we 117 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: make things actually more efficient? How do we make the 118 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: tech profile of the federal government, which Lord knows it 119 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: needs an upgrade, no doubt about that, that that they 120 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: could actually deliver on that. One of the other things 121 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: that I thought was interesting here is remember how originally 122 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: they had been attacking the digital like e file system 123 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: that goes around TurboTax so that people can directly file 124 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: their taxes with the government, which saves the money. I mean, 125 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: the TurboTax is basically like a cartel that was forcing 126 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: you to use their product, and so they had developed 127 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: this way to file directly with the government and avoid 128 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: turbo tax and saves you money, et cetera. 129 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 4: They initially were attacking that. 130 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: Now they're saying, you know what, maybe actually, because this 131 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: is a popular program and good thing, maybe we should 132 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: expand that so that people have some personal sense of like, Okay, 133 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: I can see how this is benefiting me versus Right now, 134 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: everybody's just seeing job loss, you know, and really callous 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: mass job loss, national parks getting screwed over, the FAA 136 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: being attacked, veterans being fired, social Security under assault, etc. So, yeah, 137 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: it was kind of interesting that they realized that they 138 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: have a bit of a pr problem. Just to go 139 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: back quickly to the Elon Bannon thing, I mean, I 140 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: do think that this relationship is really important to watch 141 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: and because they represent, you know, the sort of like 142 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: two distilled ideologies that are in competition right now in 143 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: the Trump administration. And you know, thus far to your point, 144 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: soccer like Elon's ideology has obviously been winning out. 145 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 5: Uh. 146 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: There's no guarantees that that continues to be the case, 147 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: but that is certainly the case today. I did notice 148 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: Emily recommend I listened to Bannon on Tim Dillon Show. 149 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 4: I don't know if you listened to that. I took. 150 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: I listened to it, and I did note that he 151 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 2: he It's not that he wasn't critical at all of Elon, 152 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: but he had definitely dialed back his criticism. And it 153 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: was before we got this news that Trump had had 154 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: a talk and like, oh, you guys need to sit 155 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: down and work it out. So I felt like some 156 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: message had already been sent of like Okay, this is 157 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: you know, you got to stop calling him a parasitic 158 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: legal immigrant. 159 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: It's these sorts of things, you know. 160 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: And also he called South Africans the most white South 161 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: Africans the most racist people on the planet as well, 162 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: which I also enjoyed. 163 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely amusing. All right, let's get to 164 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: the next one. 165 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: This was just just an interesting thing that happened yesterday 166 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: and potentially a consequence of Elon now being a senior 167 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 3: government official. He gave an interview to Fox Businesses Larry 168 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: Kudlow shortly after a huge outage at Twitter and or 169 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: x basically all day the site was rendered unusable for 170 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: several hours, especially during the workday. Well, here is Elon 171 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: saying that it was a massive cyber attack and then 172 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 3: it originated in Ukraine. 173 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 174 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 5: There was a cyber attack on X today which shut 175 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 5: it down and may have been foreign sourced. 176 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: It's a big story. 177 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: You want to give us a moment on that. 178 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 6: Well, we're not sure exactly what happened, but there was 179 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 6: a massive cyber attack to try to bring down the 180 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 6: X system with ip addresses originating in the Ukraine area. 181 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: IPA addresses originating in the Ukraine area. What he has 182 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: to say, let's put this up there on the screen. 183 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: What he said right prior to that, he said, there 184 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: is still a massive cyber attack against X. We get 185 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: attacked every day, but this was done with a lot 186 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: of resources, either a large coordinated group and or a 187 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: country is involved tracing dot dot dot then blaming Ukraine 188 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: there shortly afterwards. We haven't had cloud Flare or anybody 189 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: else release any data on the attack, and they haven't 190 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: done that as well, but you know, it genuinely could 191 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: be a consequence of don't forget. Elon also uses his 192 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: Twitter account often to basically disagree with the policy of 193 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: the Ukrainian government. He recently attacked Senator Mark Kelly for 194 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: visiting Ukraine. He has been talking about Ukraine corruption and 195 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: or you know, but pushing for a peace deal now 196 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: for quite some time. He got into a huge spat 197 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: with the Polish foreig Ad minister over Starlink and the 198 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: payment for that system that's being used in Ukraine right now. 199 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 3: So is no great friend to Ukraine. I mean, I 200 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: think that's fine, But also don't forget their own cyber 201 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: you know unit inside of their agency is trained by 202 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: the best and brightest of the United States of America, 203 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: so I wouldn't put it past them necessarily, although we 204 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: don't yet have any proof, it would make sense. I mean, 205 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: it could also be a series of other you know, 206 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: foreign actors and or even criminals, right because if you want, 207 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: this is what Russia and China do very often, they 208 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: won't have their direct intelligence agents actually do the hacking. 209 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: They'll outsource it to some criminal element which will also 210 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: get a financial benefit for doing so, and or state sponsorship, 211 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: or at the very least looking the other way. 212 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: So we don't know. 213 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: Ukraine's always been it's been in nexus for cybercrime for 214 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: the last twenty five years, so it wouldn't also be 215 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: It's not out of the question that it's also a 216 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: non governmental actor, although I don't think so. If it 217 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: is Ukraine, I don't know. It could also be bad service. 218 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Who knows. That's problem with Elon. We have no idea 219 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: they true. 220 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: That is all totally accurate. 221 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: Ukraine just launched a mass drone strike on Moscow actually, 222 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 2: which just I. 223 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: Mean we actually my friend Lex Friedman was in Moscow. 224 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: Oh really, I've tweeted it. He apparently narrowly missed the 225 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: drone attack that happened to him. So yeah, Ukraine, you know, 226 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: maybe not the smartest move to try nearly assassinate with 227 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: one of the most famous podcasters in the United States. 228 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 3: And you know they also happened to do that Crystal. 229 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you saw right before they walked 230 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: into a peace meeting with the Russians. 231 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think that was the point, smart I was 232 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: to demonstrate, you know, we can, you know, we can 233 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: hit you where it hurts. But my point is only like, 234 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: obviously the Krainians are willing to do a wild shit, 235 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: but also I don't trust Elon Musk whatsoever. 236 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 4: So who knows. 237 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: I feel like this is very I don't know, it's 238 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: a very It is a very convenient explanation for twitter 239 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: ounage yesterday because it aligns with Elon's for you know, 240 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: foreign policy views, and it lets Twitter off the hook 241 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: for any potential engineering or technical failure. 242 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: So maybe, But also I don't know. I don't know. 243 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: I would need to see more proof and evidence before 244 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: I came to any conclusions about any of this. I 245 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: saw there was some Hacket collective that claimed to be 246 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: like non political, just sort of like flexing their muscle, 247 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: that took credit for it. But I have no idea 248 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: if there's any voracity. 249 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: That's another there. Look, there's a lot of liberals in 250 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: the world, especially also in Europe. There's a lot of 251 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: cyber criminals there too. A lot of them are very 252 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: pro Ukraine. They could hacked him as well. I mean, 253 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: so who knows. 254 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't ask me about I mean, John's got 255 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: a lot of enemies around the world. I mean, he's 256 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: messed in politics in multiple countries all over the place. 257 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: Is approval rating is in the toilet basically everywhere. As 258 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm about to cover my monologue having massive impact on 259 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: Tesla in particular, where sales are falling off a cliff 260 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: and where the stock price has just been you know, 261 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: absolutely plummeting. So you know, if someone was trying to 262 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: cause damage to him, his reputation's company, just to cause 263 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: trouble or whatever. There are many potential suspects who would 264 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: want to take aim at Elon Musk, but certainly the 265 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: Ukrainian government or aligned forces is one of those. 266 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely right, Crystal, what are you taking a look at? 267 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 4: Well? 268 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: Yesterday the entire stock market after Trump refused yet again 269 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: to rule out plunging the country into recession. Among the 270 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: harder hit stocks in the general selloff was Tesla, which 271 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: has increasingly struggled with plummeting sales since Elon made himself 272 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: king here in the US and jumped into politics on 273 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: behalf of right wing candidates and causes. In countries around 274 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: the world, Tesla sales have fallen off so hard that 275 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: Volkswagen has actually surpassed Tesla in EV sales. Outside of China. 276 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: I was shocked by that European sales for Tesla they 277 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: have dropped by nearly half. The company did, though, get 278 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: a boost from the President of the United States, who 279 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: announced he's going to buy a Tesla to support the 280 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: Great Elon. In a post he said, in part, the 281 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: radical left lunatics, as they often do, are trying to 282 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: illegally and collusively. Boycat caught Tesla, one of the world's 283 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: great automakers and Elon's baby, in order to attack and 284 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: do harm to Elon and everything he stands for. In 285 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: any event, I'm going to buy a brand new Tesla 286 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: tomorrow morning as a show of confidence and support for 287 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: Elon Musk. 288 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 4: A truly great American. 289 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: I guess Elon is feeling sensitive enough about Tesla's too, 290 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: asked for a presidential favor for his baby. Now amidst 291 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: all this turmoil, there is a brewing possible scandal that 292 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: has so far gotten little attention, but it could become 293 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: a little more significant. Could also be a potential indicator 294 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: of just how desperate the floundering company has become as 295 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: pressures from a toxic leader, a stale product line, and 296 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: increased competition, Mount Tesla is now being investigated for possible 297 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: government fraud, not of our government, but of Canada and irony, 298 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: to say the least, at a moment when Elon is 299 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: posturing like the ultimate warrior against government waste fraud abuse. 300 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: Lest you think this is some sort of politically motivated 301 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: witch hunt because of Elon's position and an administration currently 302 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: waging economic war on Canada. Take a listen to the 303 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: facts from this local Canadian news report. 304 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 5: A suspicious spike in Tesla sales has experts in the 305 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 5: industry scratching their heads. It started with a deadline in 306 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 5: January for Ottawa's rebate program on electric vehicles that allegedly 307 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 5: prompted a mad rush to buy evs. Cdv's Adrian Gobriel 308 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 5: has been crunching the numbers. Adrian, do they add up? 309 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 7: Sandy? A spike in purchases was to be expected, though, 310 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 7: the reported sale of eighty six hundred Teslas equaling forty 311 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 7: three million dollars in rebates at four Canadian testl the 312 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 7: locations has sparked plenty of questions. 313 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 8: In the West End of Toronto. This one test the 314 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 8: location alone reported selling more than twelve hundred vehicles on 315 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 8: January eleventh, totaling more than four million dollars in rebates. 316 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 8: So we paid them a visit to try and get 317 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 8: some clarity on the staggering number of sales. 318 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 6: How are you good? 319 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: How are you good? 320 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 7: Good? 321 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 9: My name's Adrian Gobriel. 322 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm a journalist with CTV News. 323 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 9: I think there was a large increase in the number 324 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 9: of sales processed through the EV rebate program. 325 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: Just trying to get. 326 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 9: An understanding of perhaps what maybe some of the reasons 327 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 9: were behind that. Did that take place or is that 328 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 9: a backlog of paperwork going through You can't share any comments. 329 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 9: Is there any manager you think that might be able 330 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 9: to end the manager? 331 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 8: Our multiple emails to Tesla's headquarters have been met with silence. 332 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: It defies logic that these corporate stores of Tesla and 333 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 4: Tesla shareholders and Elon Musk would be able to sell 334 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 4: eighty six. 335 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Hundred vehicles in a single weekend. There's something highly unusual 336 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: about this, so. 337 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: To recap Canada has been running an EV rebate program 338 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: which has been quite popular and quite successful. The way 339 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: the program works is that when a customer purchase and 340 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: purchases an EV, the cost of the rebate is originally 341 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: fronted by the dealership. Then the dealer receives reimbursement from 342 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: the government. Now, in early January, the government announced the 343 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: fund was running low on money and might be suspended 344 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: sometime in the next few weeks. 345 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: And that is when four Tesla. 346 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: Dealerships pulled off the biggest miracle since Fish and Loaves 347 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: somehow selling eighty six hundred cars in just three days. 348 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: One dealership claims to have sold four thousand Teslas over 349 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: this period. Now that is quite a jump from the 350 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: few dozen or so cars that they had previously been 351 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: moving per day. I really got to see those morning 352 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: sales meetings, I guess. I mean, are they hypnotizing the customers? 353 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: Are they handing out tariff exemptions? Did they switch the 354 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: complimentary coffee for pre workout and crack? According to car 355 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: scoops and basic math, this level of sales would have 356 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: required each of these four Tesla stores to sell thirty 357 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 2: cars per hour, twenty four hours per day for three 358 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: straight days. Now, if you scale the time back to 359 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: the actual hours when the dealerships were even open, you 360 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: would have more than one car sold every minute at 361 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: each of these dealers across that three day period. Insane, 362 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 2: As one government official told the Toronto Star quote, Tesla 363 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: did not sell those cars that weekend. Now, Tesla went 364 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: on to claim forty three million dollars in rebates, sucking 365 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: up about half the remaining balance in the rebate fund, 366 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: leaving other EV dealers holding the bag after they sold 367 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: vehicles with the rebate priced in expecting to get a 368 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: refund from the government. According to the Canadian Auto Dealers Association, 369 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: independent dealers or out of pocket about ten million dollars 370 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: after Tesla's car rebate application bomb. Now, perhaps people just 371 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: saw the rebate was ending and decided in spectacular numbers 372 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: to buy a Tesla before that perk went away. Cutting 373 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: against that notion, however, is that, like the rest of 374 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: the world, Canadian Tesla sales have been absolutely tanking, declining 375 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: some seventy percent month over month. I think a more 376 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: plausible explanation is that Tesla had sold a bunch of 377 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: cars with the rebate over a number of months never 378 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: filed those applications with the government. But that explanation too 379 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: has some holes. Why the mass surge at just these 380 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 2: few dealerships. Also, according to the Toronto Star, the program 381 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: does require that rebate applications be filed before a car 382 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: is delivered. Transport Canada did admit, however, that this policy 383 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: was not being fully enforced, So we'll see what the 384 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: government investigation turns up ultimately. Now, whether Tesla gained the 385 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 2: system far and square, fudged the rules, or outright defrauded it, 386 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: it's one more reason Canadians are certainly pissed at Musk 387 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: and Tesla at a time when both the man and 388 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: the company are facing massive global backlash. Here in the US, 389 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: Tesla has attracted protests and property damage. Charging stations have 390 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: been set on fire, cars have been tagged with stickers 391 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: of Elon sighile, and protests have targeted Tesla dealerships across 392 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: the country. For Elon personally, there is obviously a lot 393 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: of state. It's believed that Tesla makes up about a 394 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: third of Elon's net worth, and it's not like all 395 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: his other business ventures are going particularly smoothly. 396 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: At this point. 397 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: Italians are pissed at Elon for meddling in their politics. 398 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: They're threatening to scuttle a significant Starlink contract the tune 399 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: of one point five billion dollars. Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim 400 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: is cutting ties with Musk and Starlink after Elon amplified 401 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: a tweet suggesting that he was tied to drug cartels. 402 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: Back in Canada, Ontario Premier Doug Ford permanently canceled a 403 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars Starlink contract in response to Trump's 404 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: trade war and Elon's last two rocket launches both blew 405 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: up spectacularly, causing commercial flight diversions and airport closures in Florida. 406 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 4: But me personally, I wouldn't worry too much. 407 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: About Elon's bank account since as of today, he effectively 408 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: has the entire US Treasury backstopping his net worth, and 409 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: this is exactly the bet that he has placed. 410 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 4: I suspect he. 411 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 2: Has to know that going full right wing would hurt Tesla, 412 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: would endanger contracts for Starlink and other of his companies, 413 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: but the short term loss to him it's. 414 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 4: Well worth it. 415 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: If he's able to pull off his coup and continue 416 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: his power graph, he'll have access to all of our 417 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: dad at a feed into his AI, along with whatever 418 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: other government favors he needs to help him prevail in 419 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: the AI arms race. He'll be able to plow endless 420 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: taxpayer resources into SpaceX to further enrich himself and achieve 421 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: his big goal of making it to Mars. As weird 422 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: and sci fi as it sounds, Mars is really kind 423 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: of the ultimate dictator play here from Elon, because if 424 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: he makes it to Mars, his rule there would be 425 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 2: fully unchallenged and he could achieve his dream of a 426 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: fully privatized society run at his personal whim. No more 427 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: Canadian transportation agencies to shake their fist at him for 428 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: ev rebates, no more Debbie downer regulators to complain about 429 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: him turning the Gulf of Mexico into the Gulf of 430 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: SpaceX debris. No more pesky customers with their choices to 431 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: buy other vehicles. But even if you think the Mars 432 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: ideas preposters, which I do, for the record, winning the 433 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: AI race alone would make Musk an unstoppably powerful force. 434 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: The idea of ketamine adult megalomaniac Elon Musk having control 435 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: over the first earthly intelligence to surpass our own is 436 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: truly terrifying. And there's a decent chance that that is 437 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: exactly where we are headed. So as much as I'd 438 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: like to think that Canada investigating Tesla and the stock dropping, 439 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: the Starlink contracts getting canceled would matter to him, I 440 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 2: just don't actually think that's really how he takes. He's 441 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: all in massive gambles, everything on the line, that's what 442 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: he's all about right now. He is risking it all 443 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 2: for world domination. Who am I to say that that 444 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 2: bet won't pay off? 445 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 4: And Cyber. I'm curious for your view of weather. 446 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, 447 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 3: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. 448 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: Joining us now is Bryan Tyler Cohene. He's a YouTuber. 449 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: He's been had quite a bit of success recently, and 450 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: we're very happy to have him here on the show. 451 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: It's good to see Brian. Thanks for joining us. 452 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 10: Good see you too. 453 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Brian. 454 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: I am absolutely fascinated by the rise of your channel 455 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: and of a few others. Not saying you haven't been 456 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: doing well in the past, but I think you will 457 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: say it's just been an absolute deluge and a bonanza 458 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 3: very recently. And I've been curious, you know why you 459 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: think that you've had quite a bit of success, as 460 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 3: mainstream channels like CNN or MSNBC have had a decline 461 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: in ratings. What do you think about your rise about Midas, 462 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: Touch and others really blowing past many of these traditional 463 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: media companies recently. 464 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 10: I think it's a testament to how kind of fed 465 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 10: up most of this country is with the lack of 466 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 10: any stable or long term I don't know, like like 467 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 10: value set from legacy media. I mean, we've seen depending 468 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 10: on who comes in to helm any of these networks, 469 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 10: suddenly there'sies change on a dime, and we see them 470 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 10: them either till right, till left, go full full board 471 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 10: to the center. But there isn't any any long standing 472 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 10: guiding principles at these networks, and I think it kind 473 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 10: of betrays that what they stand for is whatever they're 474 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 10: told that they stand for, and there's a lot of 475 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 10: false equivalencies. There's a lot of both SiZ ism and 476 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 10: back in the day when we didn't have any other alternative, 477 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 10: that was I mean, that's all we've got, right, But 478 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 10: I think now in an era where people can seek 479 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 10: out content that's actually guided by some degree of long 480 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 10: standing principle, you guys are a testament to exactly that. 481 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 10: I think people recognize that we don't have to just 482 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 10: settle for media that decides what it is based on 483 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 10: who becomes the new president or CEO that week. 484 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 485 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: I think that one of the things that has been 486 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: really different with Trump two point zero among the Democratic 487 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: base is their orientation both towards like MSNBC and CNN 488 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: and also towards Democratic politicians themselves. I mean back in 489 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, you know, it was nightly appointment viewing to 490 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: watch Rachel Maddow, Like MSNBC was really sort of like 491 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: the beating core of heart of the resistance. You know, 492 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff were leading the charge. There 493 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: was a sense like, Okay, these guys are our guys. 494 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: They're fighting for us, they're doing everything they possibly can, 495 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: and we're all this sort of like unified army going 496 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: to war against what we see happening here and this time, 497 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you could tell it in the race. 498 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: You can also tell it in the poll numbers about 499 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: how Democratic voters are incredibly disenchanted with Democratic leadership in 500 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: a way that certainly reminds me of the way Republicans 501 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 2: felt about Republican leadership during the Tea Party era. Do 502 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 2: you think that that's part of what's going on here? 503 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: And to what do you attribute that level of discontent. 504 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 10: I think that there's two factions right now within the 505 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 10: Democratic Party. I think that there is a faction that recognizes, 506 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 10: and I would include myself in this faction, recognizes that 507 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 10: we desperate, we need to like fight against what we're 508 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 10: seeing right now, and then there's another that I think 509 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 10: is more focused on loss, on risk aversion, and and 510 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 10: so it's it's kind of tearing the party in two sides, 511 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 10: because you've got people who say it's like the moderate 512 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 10: versus versus progressive wings, right, and so you have people 513 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 10: who say, Okay, we need to we need to we 514 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 10: need to tack to the left and show some fight 515 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 10: and and push back against the worst successes of this administration. 516 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: And then you see the. 517 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 10: More moderate members of the party or of the wing 518 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 10: who are saying, like, you know, it was the tacking 519 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 10: left that got us into this position in the first place. 520 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 10: And clearly America is having a right word shift, and 521 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 10: so I think that there's just some some inherent conflict 522 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 10: there and and as a result of that, the party 523 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 10: seems rudderless, the networks that speak to Democrats kind of 524 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 10: seem rudderless, and there's just this this contradictory idea of 525 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 10: where to go next. 526 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian, one of the reasons I really wanted to 527 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: talk to you is I really do think you guys might, 528 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: as touched in others, are like the beating heart of 529 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party right now for the future. And the 530 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 3: reason I'm curious, just as as an outside observer, is 531 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: how do you feel about leadership? For example, like we 532 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 3: have this we can put on the screen, the Axios 533 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: tear sheet guys Democrats privately confronting their Trump speech disruptors 534 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: and others. They're very focused on decorum. They're more risk averse, 535 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: as you said, So, how is someone like you a 536 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 3: really rising influencer? I think in the Democratic Party with 537 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: the younger Democratic base, how are you feeling about HACKEM Jeffreys, 538 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and the tact that they've decided 539 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: to take in the Trump administration. 540 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 11: Now? 541 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 10: Well, I think what we need to do is figure 542 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 10: out how to really optimize in this media environment. And 543 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 10: that's something that we haven't been able to do before. 544 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 10: I actually went to DC this past week and I 545 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 10: spoke to a lot of members of the Democratic Caucus 546 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 10: in the House and the Senate, and it was my 547 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 10: effort really to try and convince them and persuade them 548 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 10: about the importance of kind of embracing social media, recognizing 549 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 10: the importance of of getting content creators in moving a 550 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 10: lot of our our attention and focus from legacy media, 551 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 10: where we've spent so much of our time talking to 552 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 10: an audience that has already largely bought in, instead talking 553 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 10: to an audience that that is, you know, not only 554 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 10: bigger because that's where that's where uh, you know, social 555 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 10: media audiences are, but also more persuadable and and look 556 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 10: to their to their credit, they were largely on board 557 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 10: with all of this stuff, and so I think it's important. 558 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 10: I think it's important to to try and shift a 559 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 10: lot of the attitudes that have been cemented for a really, 560 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 10: really long time in DC. And so that's that's kind 561 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 10: of my focus right now is to try and in 562 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 10: so far as I have any influence in this party, 563 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 10: given what I do online, my focus right now is 564 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 10: just trying to get a lot of people on board 565 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 10: to change their habits in an institution that is as 566 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 10: nimble as a cruise ship. 567 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: Basically well, and as part of that trip, you were 568 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: able to talk to AOC. 569 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little 570 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: bit of what you have to say. 571 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 11: Listen, if you're representative is not doing a town hall, 572 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 11: give me a ring. 573 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if an. 574 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 11: R plus twenty five districts would have me, but I'm 575 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 11: always willing to be proven wrong. And I mean, I'll 576 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 11: say it right here, right now, if a deep red 577 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 11: Republican district wants to have an honest conversation, even if 578 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 11: it's with someone they disagree with, I'm willing to do that. 579 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 11: You know, I'm willing to meet with Republicans and just 580 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 11: you know, be honest about where I stand where they stand. 581 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 11: We can explain, you know, and understand each other better. 582 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 11: But I definitely think it creates a vacuum. And even 583 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 11: if it's not a Democratic member, people can host community 584 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 11: town halls. You don't need a member of Congress to 585 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 11: host a town hall and just host one without them. 586 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: I think that's one of the better ideas that demos 587 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: have floated. And really it's sort of Bernie Sanders who's 588 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: led the charge. I'm sure you saw the images from 589 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: his town all like ten thousand people showing up on 590 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: a random day in Warren, Michigan. You know, just astonishing 591 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: level of energy just because he's out there and basically signaling, 592 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: you know, like we're going to fight and here's something 593 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: we can actually do. I know, Rokanna said he's going 594 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: to do town halls. Tim Wallas said he's going to 595 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: do town halls, AOC saying she's going to do town halls. 596 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 4: And it's been kind of interesting. 597 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: To me the tactical or ideological valance of this moment, 598 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: because one of the other big Democratic stars of the 599 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: moment is Jasmine Crockett, who is not necessarily ideologically the 600 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: same as Bernie Sanders. But I think there's such a 601 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: base level excitement about these individuals simply because it feels 602 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: like they're putting up a fight, and because they do 603 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: understand the attention economy and how quickly the news moves 604 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: and how much you have to jump on it right 605 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: at that moment and not be afraid of stirring the 606 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: pod and not be afraid of creating some controversy. 607 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 10: Hundred percent. I mean, that's how this that's how this 608 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 10: entire ecosystem works. And I think that you're exactly right 609 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 10: in terms of the thing that people want to see 610 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 10: is that you are willing to fight. And this doesn't necessarily, 611 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 10: to your exact point, have to be like a progressive 612 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 10: versus moderate, doesn't have to be you don't have to 613 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 10: be a certain political persuasion, you don't have to land 614 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 10: somewhere specifically on the ideological spectrum to be able to 615 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 10: do this. People just want to see that you are 616 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 10: there doing the job that they put you in office 617 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 10: to do, and so and so that's why there's a 618 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 10: lot of focus on these people who are actually getting 619 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 10: themselves out there and showing that they're willing to have 620 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 10: some fight. And it doesn't have Look, we're in a 621 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 10: position right now where we're in the majority. We don't 622 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 10: have to be relitigating Medicare for all today because it's 623 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 10: not like any of that stuff is going to happen. 624 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 10: But if you're going out there and you're saying, look, 625 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 10: I'm here to make sure that your Medicaid is protected, 626 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 10: that to make sure that that snap benefits are protected, 627 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 10: to make sure that education funding or any healthcare funding, 628 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 10: or that veterans have jobs. If I'm putting myself out 629 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 10: there showing that I'm willing to actually do the work, 630 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 10: people are going to respond to that. It is precisely 631 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 10: the unwillingness or inability of anybody in office to actually 632 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 10: stick their necks out there and show that they're willing 633 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 10: to fight. It is that that same risk aversion that 634 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 10: I was talking about before, that people are actually tired 635 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 10: of these days and kind of puts you in that 636 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 10: camp of doing stuff that's safe and uncontroversial, and like 637 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 10: people don't want to see that. We're in a moment where, 638 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 10: you know, democracy is at risk, where healthcare is at risk, 639 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 10: where so much of of what we hold deer is 640 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 10: at risk, and if you're just going to kind of 641 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 10: sit back. 642 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: People are going to recognize that. 643 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 10: So again, it's not it doesn't have to do with 644 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 10: how progressive or how moderate you are. It's just that 645 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 10: you're putting yourself out there and that you're showing you're 646 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 10: willing to fight. 647 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to dig down on that a little 648 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: bit though. 649 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 3: Something I watched during the Tea Party era is that 650 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 3: opposition to Obama really became like the unifying force of 651 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: the Republican Party. But then after Obama was gone, there 652 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: were huge fights and those litmus tests on policy. You know, 653 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: those things mattered. You talked there about Medicare for all. 654 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: So I'm curious at a policy level. You know, I 655 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 3: watched some of your channel, and a lot of it 656 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 3: is just about Donald Trump. That seems to be the 657 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: stuff that really is most animating right now. But sooner 658 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 3: or later, you know, might actually win an election, you 659 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: might be in power. So what are the types of 660 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: things that you think do matter, you know, for a 661 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: future Democratic leader. Republicans at that time said, you need 662 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: to figer about you know, you need to be concerned 663 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: about debt. We need to repeal Obamacare. No matter what 664 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: you want to say about the Tea Party, they did 665 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: have some demands. What are some of the demands that 666 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: you think you have, Brian. 667 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 10: Well, first of all, we should be so lucky to 668 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 10: be in a position where we can start litigating the 669 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 10: things that matter to Democrats. But hopefully we do get 670 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 10: there soon. I mean, look, I'm a progressive. What I 671 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 10: would like to see is full board, green new deal. 672 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 10: I would like to see Medicare for all, you know, 673 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 10: like I would like to see a fifteen dollars minimum wage. 674 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 10: I would like to see the Proact get passed so 675 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 10: that we can boaster unions in this country. But I 676 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 10: view myself as a pragmatic progressive, and I know that 677 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 10: that what's going to work in certain places may not 678 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 10: necessarily work in other places. So you know, I'm perfectly 679 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 10: content to if we're lucky enough to be able to 680 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 10: get in a position where we can again litigate this stuff. 681 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 10: I would love to be able to have, you know, 682 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 10: have these these conversations and have these debates with folks. 683 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 10: My focus obviously right now, for as is the same 684 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 10: for any Democrat, is just to get in a position 685 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 10: where we can actually be able to exercise power. And 686 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 10: that's going to take a lot of that's going to 687 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 10: take a lot of changes from our strategy right now, 688 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 10: because you know, it feels like, well, it feels million 689 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 10: miles away at this at this moment. But it also 690 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 10: depends on Democrats actually being able to wield, to be 691 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 10: willing to wield power once we do get into office. 692 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 10: And so often we look, there's a huge difference between 693 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 10: what Republicans do with power when they're in office and 694 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 10: what Democrats do with power in office. And I think 695 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 10: the perfect and apsolation of that is what happens with 696 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 10: the parliamentarian. Like for the Democrats, the parliamentarian says no, 697 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 10: and we're like, well, that's it. The parliamentarian says no, 698 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 10: So I guess, I guess there's no other avenue and 699 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 10: we just have to kind of sit down and lick 700 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 10: our wounds and that's the end of the fight. Republicans 701 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 10: will and literally have just replace the parliamentarian altogether. If 702 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 10: they don't get what they want, and that is how 703 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 10: they view power, they figure out how they can get there. 704 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 10: It's almost like Republicans, if they get told no, they 705 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 10: figure out how they can get to yes. If Democrats. 706 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 10: If Democrats get told no, they they're perfectly content to 707 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 10: accept that, and it almost sometimes feels like they're not 708 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 10: even willing to try and get to yes. And so 709 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 10: that's what I would like to see if Democrats actually 710 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 10: get into power. Notwithstanding what I would like to see 711 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 10: on the specific policy front, and again I listed a 712 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 10: bunch of things that I would like to see on 713 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 10: the policy front right there, but just more broadly, a 714 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 10: focus on actually being able to wield and exercise power 715 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 10: in the rare instances, rare opportunities where we actually get it. 716 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 4: I was curious what you made. 717 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the Gavin Newsom Charlie Kirk podcast situation. 718 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, like, I'm not a Gavin Newsom 719 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: fan because I think he's you know, way too corporate 720 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: and you know, puts donors ahead of progressive values often, 721 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: but I do respect his political talent. I saw him 722 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: go on Fox News and really take it to Ron DeSantis. 723 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people like that, you know, 724 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 2: certainly increased my estimation of him. I think a lot 725 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: of Democratic base voters felt the same way. And so 726 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: when I saw he's doing this podcast he was having 727 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: a few right wing folks on, including Charlie Kirk, I 728 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: was like, Oh, that's actually really smart because he can 729 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 2: fight with him and people are going to freaking love that. 730 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 4: And then he has him on. 731 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 2: He's like, oh my god, Charlie, you're so like influential 732 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: and my son loves you, and let's talk about some 733 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 2: issues where I want to, like, you know, culturally, shift 734 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: more towards your position and find common ground, et cetera, 735 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: putting aside like you know, my positions on that issue, 736 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 2: and how grotesque I find that to be. I also 737 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 2: just found it to be so tone deaf for the 738 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 2: political moment, because if he actually, like this man obviously 739 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: wants to be president, and if you actually want to 740 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: position yourself in that way, then what you need to 741 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: be doing is demonstrating that you will show up and 742 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: debate these people, you will hold them to account, you 743 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 2: will demonstrate that you're a fighter. I mean to what 744 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: do you attribute that total tone deafness about what the 745 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 2: Democratic base actually wants to see from a politician like 746 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: him right now? 747 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the main thing is he wanted to 748 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 10: show himself as being more willing to embrace like the 749 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 10: eighty side of that eighty twenty issue. But I think 750 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 10: to your exact point, look, the biggest the biggest virtue 751 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 10: for someone like Gavin Newsom, and something that obviously I 752 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 10: find really attractive about him as a candidate, is that 753 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 10: he is willing to get out there and fight. He 754 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 10: is willing to go on Fox News and defend his positions, 755 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 10: defend his values stand on business, and that's something that's 756 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 10: in short supply in the Democratic Party and so it 757 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 10: is a great idea to have a podcast where you 758 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 10: invite folks from the other side on and actually try 759 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 10: and stand up and defend your values. That's something that 760 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 10: we desperately need in democratic politics. And so it was 761 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 10: disappointing to see that he was so effusive in his 762 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 10: praise for Charlie Kirk, because again, his biggest virtue is 763 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 10: that he is able to fight, and so when you 764 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 10: sacrifice that that then then if you sacrifice your biggest 765 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 10: your biggest asset as a candidate. Then then that really 766 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 10: does that really does hurt how people I think perceive you. 767 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 10: More broadly, this isn't a time right now your your 768 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 10: stance on the issues. Notwithstanding, this isn't a time right 769 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 10: now to lay down arms and show that you're willing 770 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 10: to just fully, fully embrace not only folks on the right, 771 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 10: but just bad faith folks on the right, people who 772 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 10: are doing this as solely political actors. And so, you know, 773 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 10: I would I know that he's gonna do more episodes 774 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 10: in this series. I think that the reaction to this, 775 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 10: this might be exactly what he was looking for, might 776 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 10: be looking for some some praise, some pets from right wingers, 777 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 10: and even even if it's at the risk of, you know, 778 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 10: pissing off some Democrats, so be it. But I would 779 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 10: like to see him actually stand up and fight for 780 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 10: the things that he believes in, because that's really that's 781 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 10: really where he's derived so much of his popularity and 782 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 10: strength prior to doing this. 783 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 3: Rian, let me ask you, what is your retrospective take 784 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 3: on what went wrong in the election. Unlike us, you 785 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 3: actually got to interview Joe Biden. You met him while 786 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 3: he was in the oval office. So what is your 787 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 3: like grand theory of why Democrats lost in this election. 788 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 10: I think it's I think it's two things, well three things. 789 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 10: First is the economy. I think that that we saw 790 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 10: the ways in which the high inflate, like the global 791 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 10: phenomenon of high inflation led to led to incumbents or 792 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 10: governing parties getting ousted across the world. I think Mexican 793 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 10: Mexico's president was the only one to be able to 794 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 10: withstand that. But a lot of people in this country 795 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 10: sadly just don't pay attention to politics, but they do 796 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 10: pay attention to the costs that impact their lives, and 797 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 10: so if costs are high, they're going to punish the 798 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 10: people in charge. The people in charge were the Democrats. 799 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 10: The second is I think that the Democrats. The big 800 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 10: disadvantage for the Democrats in this media ecosystem is that 801 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 10: it's just the size and scope of right wing media. 802 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 10: And so if you have an issue like gender reassignment 803 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 10: surgeries among trans inmates in prison, which is an issue 804 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 10: that Kamala spoke about in twenty nineteen and has disavowed 805 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 10: in this past election cycle, if Republicans have the amount 806 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 10: of people and the amount of money to be able 807 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 10: to put this message in front of everybody. Then they 808 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 10: can kind of create the reality that they want to create, 809 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 10: and Democrats don't have anything to push back against it. 810 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 10: I mean, the Democratic Party never bothered bolstering their own 811 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 10: independent media ecosystem, even though ten years ago the Republicans 812 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 10: started building up Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, Meghan Kelly, Tucker, Carlson, 813 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 10: Alex Jones. And so they have these folks who are 814 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 10: willing to push the narrative through in an expressly political 815 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 10: way that the Democrats just can't do because our message 816 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 10: distribution system has always been CNN and MSNBC and the 817 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 10: New York Times, and a lot of these networks are 818 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 10: perfectly willing to take the messages that are being fed 819 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 10: to them by right wing media. And so what you're 820 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 10: left with is sixty nine cover stories about Hillary's emails, 821 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 10: for example, in the twenty sixteen election, because Republicans are 822 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 10: willing to just exercise overtly partisan voices, and the Democrats 823 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 10: will or liberal media will always bite on that. And 824 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 10: so there's this huge asymmetry where whatever narrative Republicans want 825 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 10: to perpetuate, they do, and then liberal media, which we've 826 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 10: decided is again our message distribution system is perfectly content 827 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 10: to bite on all of that stuff. And so those are. 828 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: Two of the main things. 829 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 10: And then obviously, look in retrospect, I think that the 830 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 10: only answer would have been immediately after Joe Biden the 831 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 10: the you know, either one in twenty twenty or Democrats 832 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 10: had a strong performance in twenty twenty two, that he 833 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 10: drops out and we figure out, you know, a new 834 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 10: way forward that also includes a candidate who is willing 835 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 10: to show some distance between between him or her and 836 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 10: Joe Biden. And you know, look, I understand too, because 837 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 10: it's it's for somebody who had just beaten Donald Trump 838 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 10: by eight million votes to say, okay, now I have 839 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 10: no mandate to continue. 840 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: I get it. 841 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 10: Regardless of whether or not I agree with it, I 842 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 10: understand it. Same deal with midterms. If you look at 843 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 10: somebody who just presided over over a strong midterm performance 844 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 10: in what was supposed to be a red wave year, again, 845 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 10: hard to say that there's some huge mandate. And yes, 846 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 10: I sat down with him, and you can watch the interview. 847 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 10: It's completely unedited. It's difficult to look at that and 848 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 10: to see that it was the same, you know, the 849 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 10: same guy who would be on that debate stage two 850 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 10: summers from them, two summers from then, and think that 851 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 10: it's the same person. But you know, his decline was 852 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 10: pretty precipitous in that respect, and so so I think 853 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 10: between those three, you know, that's that's kind of what 854 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 10: led to the position where we're in right now. 855 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, aging is also very uneven, so he could 856 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: be cojin at one point and then completely not Cojin 857 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 2: another moment, which is some of what has come out 858 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 2: from his aids, you know, after the fact, belatedly after 859 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: it was too late to do anything or change or 860 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 2: ultimately changed course. The last as question I have for 861 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 2: you is, you know, as YouTubers like, we all have 862 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 2: a feel for our audiences and like, oh, this segment, 863 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 2: this headline, this is really going to pop, this is 864 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 2: really going to click. What is your sense of what 865 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 2: is sort of like most animating about Trump two point 866 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 2: zero for your audience? You know, is it elon in Doge? 867 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 2: Is it immigration? Is it the trade war with Canada? Like, 868 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: what are the particular issues or the particular threats from 869 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 2: this Trump administration that have really animated your audience and 870 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 2: caused them really to flock to you in in droves. 871 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 10: I think there's a couple of things. I think the 872 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 10: Elon stuff is especially potent because even ironically enough, even 873 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 10: at the same exact moment, as you have Republicans railing 874 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 10: against unelected bureaucrats, you have an unelected bureaucrat who is 875 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 10: aggressively unpopular, not just for Democrats, but especially for Republicans. 876 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 10: And this is an issue that Look, the important thing 877 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 10: in politics is that you find issues that unite your 878 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 10: party and divide the other party, and Elon is exactly 879 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 10: that issue. Democrats are united in their disdain for somebody 880 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 10: who's going to go in with a hatchet and unilaterally 881 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 10: try and destroy agencies that do good, try and destroy programs, 882 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 10: life saving, life saving programs and lifelines for American for 883 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 10: the American people that are overwhelmingly popular. And so that's 884 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 10: an issue that I think has really driven a lot 885 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 10: of attention on YouTube especially, and also, look, there is 886 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 10: there's a big international audience on YouTube. It's the biggest, 887 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 10: biggest platform in the world. And so even as Trump 888 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 10: continues his attacks against countries that are allies, countries like Canada, 889 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 10: country like Mexico, European countries. That's driving a lot of 890 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 10: interest too, because suddenly this clown show that was isolated 891 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 10: to just within our borders is seeping out across the world. 892 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 10: It's having impacts in Russia and Ukraine and China and 893 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 10: Europe and South America. And so there are a lot 894 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 10: of people suddenly paying attention because this isn't like not 895 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 10: my circus, not my monkey situation. Now we're all part 896 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 10: of the circus, and so everybody has a vested interest 897 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 10: in paying attention. 898 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, my last question for you, Brian is how do 899 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 3: you view yourself in this role? So there's been variety 900 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 3: of theories, as you said, you mentioned Charlie Kirk, Charlie 901 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 3: Kirk is kind of a YouTube podcast. 902 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: Was ultimately like an actual political force. 903 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 3: We've seen previous efforts like jank Uger or somebody else's 904 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 3: husband here who formed the Justice Democrats right, trying and 905 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,919 Speaker 3: push forward and agenda. Oh, well, what do you think 906 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 3: about your own role as you continue to rise with 907 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 3: a lot of the Democratic base. 908 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 10: It's a really good question, and I've never been asked that. Look, 909 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 10: I I try to be I'm trying to reach as 910 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 10: many people as I can. That in a kind of 911 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 10: a space for where expaths from legacy media feel like 912 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 10: they have somebody who kind of can speak on their wavelength. 913 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 10: I try to position myself with the majority of I 914 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 10: think what the party what like regular Democrats think that 915 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 10: there There's also the fact that because I've been lucky 916 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 10: enough to have access to democratic politicians, I'm trying to 917 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 10: use the position that I have to be able to 918 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 10: be able to foster some change from the inside of 919 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 10: the actual party itself. And if I have the opportunity 920 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 10: to go and speak to these folks, use that voice 921 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 10: to try and push for more of an embrace on 922 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 10: independent media. And I know that a lot of people 923 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 10: in this space and this ecosystem don't have that kind 924 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 10: of access, and so if I do, I'm going to 925 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 10: try to use it to the best of my ability 926 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 10: and to the for the betterment of the party more broadly. 927 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 10: And so if I have the ability to go up 928 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 10: on the hill and speak to folks, I'm gonna I'm 929 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,240 Speaker 10: gonna use that not to not to be as hostile 930 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 10: as I can, but instead to say, like, look, I 931 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 10: do think it's important that we embrace independent media. I 932 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 10: do think it's important that you start to talk to 933 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 10: content creators. I do think it's important that we have 934 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 10: a posture where y'all are going out and being willing 935 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 10: to fight, because that's what the majority of my audience, 936 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 10: that's what the majority of I think the party more 937 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 10: broadly wants to see. And so a little bit a 938 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 10: little bit of a different positioning than I think the 939 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 10: vast majority of YouTubers out there. But but look again, 940 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,439 Speaker 10: in so far as I have any influence, I'm trying 941 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 10: to use it in the most in the most helpful 942 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 10: way possible. 943 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 3: Got it, well, I really enjoyed talking to you, man, 944 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 3: and I'll be paying attention. So thank you for joining us. 945 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 4: Thanks Brian, we appreciate it. Thanks guys, Yeah, our pleasure. 946 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,399 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. 947 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 3: We appreciate a great counterpoint show for everybody tomorrow and 948 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,919 Speaker 3: we will see you all later