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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The It's a new dawn, it's

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Speaker 1: a new day, it's a new life for me, and

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Speaker 1: share his excitement about the upcoming season following the return

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Speaker 1: of offensive line coach Frank Pollock. Then after that, I'll

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Speaker 1: be joined by the always entertaining Pete Prisco, senior NFL

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Speaker 1: columnist for CBS sports dot Com. Last year, after the

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Speaker 1: Bengals draft to Joe Burrow, Pete said that the Bengals

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Speaker 1: We'll see if he still feels that way after Joe's

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Speaker 1: rookie season. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Bud

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Speaker 1: Light Seltzer. Refresh the game, and here's a quick reminder

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing since the Crosstown tip Off Challenge. It

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Speaker 1: The Musketeer Report challenged fans of the two schools to

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Speaker 1: outdonate each other and raised more than thirty three thousand

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Speaker 1: been an incredible display of generosity and obviously doesn't have

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Speaker 1: can certainly use our help. Now let's get to football.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals had a very productive two eighteen draft, selecting

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Speaker 1: Billie Price has not had the career that he or

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Speaker 1: much more this week. So you moved to Dallas, where

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Speaker 1: It's been one of our favorite guests over the years

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Speaker 1: best tackle, and how much better is number one than

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Speaker 1: number three? Because I think the three guys, the three

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Speaker 1: top tackles are all really good players, and we saw

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Speaker 1: that played out last year. Remember Tristan Wirfs ended up

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Speaker 1: being the best of all of them, and he was

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Speaker 1: the guy who went after right. So I do think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, twitter hot draft Colt is more in love

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Speaker 1: with Penny Sewell than I think most people are in

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Speaker 1: the league. They like them, don't get me wrong, but

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Speaker 1: they think there's a clear line. I think the kid

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Speaker 1: from Virginia Tech, and I'm just now getting into the

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Speaker 1: tape watching process from guys I've talked to, Christian Darisaw

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Speaker 1: is the real deal at left talk tackle and I

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Speaker 1: did watch Slater last year. Remember he opted out, but

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Speaker 1: he did a good job against Chase Young. So I

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Speaker 1: think any one of those three guys would be good

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Speaker 1: for the Bengals. You got to protect that quarterback. If

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl taught us anything Dan, it's that you

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Speaker 1: protect the quarterback and you're gonna win the game. They

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Speaker 1: protected the quarterback in Tampa and all throughout the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and that's why Tom Brady was able to stand in

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Speaker 1: there and make those throws. Yeah, that was the game. Right.

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Speaker 1: Once the Chiefs had their injuries on the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: that offense was nothing. Yeah. And on the other side,

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Speaker 1: you're like when they played Washington in the first round

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Speaker 1: at Washington up a Bay that remember, the one thing

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Speaker 1: was all that front four will be able to get

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Speaker 1: after Tom Brady and influence them. Well they didn't. And

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Speaker 1: then they went to New Orleans and they said, remember

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Speaker 1: they beat him up in the first in the second

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Speaker 1: meeting and they said, oh, they'll get after them, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't. And then Green Bay couldn't rush them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they hit him a couple of times, but they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They didn't influence them like you want to. And then

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl was what it was. If your quarterback's protected,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: And Joe Burrows a valuable asset. They got to be

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Speaker 1: able to protect them. We're talking to Pete Prisco from

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports dot Com. Do you expect the Bengals to

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Speaker 1: sign a starting offensive lineman and free agency. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll look at it, and there's some good ones out there.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you want to look for

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Speaker 1: a guard, there's some good guard. Shurf is a good

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Speaker 1: guard from Washington. Now whether he gets tagged to be determined.

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Speaker 1: Joe Tooney from New England is a good guard who

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Speaker 1: could fit in there as well. So, and there'll be

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Speaker 1: some veterans players on the market that get released here

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks. So yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: imagine they would nose around some of those players. But

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Speaker 1: if you draft, you've come into the draft and say

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Speaker 1: you're gonna draft a tackle, you get one there and

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Speaker 1: Joah Williams, I think you can go play right tackle,

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Speaker 1: and that solves two spots because look, Bobby Hart, they've

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Speaker 1: talked him up enough enough with that you need to

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Speaker 1: get a right tackle in there to play. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: Christian Derrissaw and in your mock draft that I referenced.

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Speaker 1: The next pick after Cincinnati was Philadelphia taken Christian Derrisaw

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Speaker 1: from Virginia Tech. And then after that you had seven, well,

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Speaker 1: you had a total of seven offensive lineman I think

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Speaker 1: in the first round. So it sounds like, based on

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Speaker 1: some of the conversations that you've had, teams seem to

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Speaker 1: think that there are a lot of good offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, it's a good offensive line draft.

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Speaker 1: It is, and you can get a lot of good

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Speaker 1: players at at all the positions. I think there's some

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Speaker 1: interesting guards in this draft then, and like I said,

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Speaker 1: I think the tackles are really the top three tackles

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Speaker 1: are really good. Then there might be a little drop down.

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Speaker 1: You don't have the kid from from Notre Dame, the

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Speaker 1: left tackle, he probably go in the first round. You

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Speaker 1: have the kid from Oklahoma State will probably go in

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Speaker 1: the first round. Then you have the Mayfield guy from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good group. And again, when in doubt,

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Speaker 1: go big. I mean that that should be the motto

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Speaker 1: if you have your quarterback. And the Bengals have their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm firmly convinced they have their guy

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Speaker 1: for the long run. I've been bullish on him. I

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Speaker 1: actually get rid of killed by some of my guys

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Speaker 1: because I said they would win a Super Bowl in

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Speaker 1: ten years and so I think they have their guy.

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Speaker 1: Now go fortify the offensive line in front of them

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Speaker 1: and get better and faster on the defensive line. But actually,

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Speaker 1: people want to know if you are sticking with that

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Speaker 1: prediction after Joe's rookie year, do you still believe a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl or maybe two in the next ten years

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Speaker 1: with Joe Burroid quarterback. Yes, I do. Everything I saw

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Speaker 1: from him was what I expected to see from him,

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Speaker 1: and he was getting beat up, and the best thing

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Speaker 1: about him is he kept getting up. You know a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys get broken in their rookie years when

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Speaker 1: they get hit like that and get beat He kept

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Speaker 1: getting up. I think Joe Burrow is going to be

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Speaker 1: a start quarterback in this league for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And look the knee, Yes you're concerned about it, but

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Speaker 1: the way technology is a medical in the medical profession

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Speaker 1: is these days he'll be fine, and so he'll be

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Speaker 1: back being playing at a high level, which is why, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you need to protect him, but you need to get

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Speaker 1: him some more weapons too. I mean that is an

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Speaker 1: important thing. Get him some more weapons. Well, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about that, Pete, because I spoke to somebody from Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focused last week for this podcast who said that

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Speaker 1: Sewell is a great offensive line prospect, but based on

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Speaker 1: their data, the value of a true number one wide

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Speaker 1: receiver is even greater than an offensive lineman, and that

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Speaker 1: the Bengals should take Jamar Chase if he's still there

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Speaker 1: or even DeVante Smith or Jalen Waddle before an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: How would you respond to that. I think the value

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Speaker 1: of the number one wide receiver has gone up greatly.

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Speaker 1: I used to have a theory back twenty years ago

537
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Speaker 1: was the four pronged approach to building a team, which

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Speaker 1: was quarterback, the guy who knocks the quarterback down, the

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Speaker 1: guy who keeps the quarterback from getting knocked down, and

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Speaker 1: the guy who knocks the quarterbacks passes down, which is

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Speaker 1: the top cover corner, top cover player. I still believe

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Speaker 1: that that's the formula you want to build successful teams,

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Speaker 1: but it's now a five proNT approach. With the way

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Speaker 1: the game is played, you have to have a number

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Speaker 1: one wide receiver, and not necessarily a number one, but

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Speaker 1: two high end twos or a one A and a

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Speaker 1: one B and not a star Number one is also

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Speaker 1: just as good. So I agree that there's more value

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Speaker 1: to that position than there used to be. Would I

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Speaker 1: take one hundred and seventy pound wide receiver over a

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Speaker 1: bonafide left tackle. No, I would not, and DeVante Smith's

552
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Speaker 1: a great player. But look at the history of one

553
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pound wide receivers in this league. It

554
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: just isn't very good. Can he get bigger? Sure he can,

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Speaker 1: But how much did John Rossway when the Bengals picked them.

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Speaker 1: Probably one hundred and seventy pounds. Yeah, maybe a little

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Speaker 1: more than that, but not much, right, and that didn't

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Speaker 1: work out for him, So you gotta be careful with

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Speaker 1: that position. Should I think Chase is the number one

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in this draft, then Smith. But Wattle's not

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Speaker 1: a big guy either. I mean, I think they need

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Speaker 1: to get weapons. I think you can get weapons in

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Speaker 1: the second round. What about Kyle Pitts because a lot

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Speaker 1: of Bengals fans are intrigued with the notion of getting

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Speaker 1: the great receiving tight end, which the Bengals don't have

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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I like Kyle pits a lot. I

567
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Speaker 1: think he's going to create some real mismatched problems for defenses.

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Speaker 1: The problem with him is the positional value. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you look around the league. Okay, Kelsey is a difference

570
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Speaker 1: maker in their offense, but their offense is different and

571
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Speaker 1: part of the reason their offense is so different. Yeah,

572
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Speaker 1: he's a special player, but they also have Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: and Veggick Mahomes doing the throw. He's doing the throw

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Speaker 1: and he's doing the stretch of the field. So I

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Speaker 1: think he got to be in the comparison is Waller

576
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Speaker 1: with the Raiders, and that's a good comparison, But luke

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Speaker 1: where Waller came from, and so from position value, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's that the value isn't there. Plus he

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Speaker 1: hasn't block, He's not gonna be an in line tight

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Speaker 1: and it's not going to help you in the run

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Speaker 1: game at all. But yeah, I like him as a player.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would pick him where the Bengals

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Speaker 1: are picked up. Pete Prisco is our guest. You can

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Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter at Prisco, p R s c

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Speaker 1: O CBS Pete. I'm trying to figure out free agency.

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Speaker 1: We're a little less than a month away. My guess

587
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Speaker 1: is that the best players out there are still going

588
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: to get huge deals, and then with a cap going down,

589
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a bunch of guys that sign short

590
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Speaker 1: term bargain type deals. Do you feel the same way, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think before we get the free agency, you're

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Speaker 1: going to see a lot of guys released. I think

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Speaker 1: you're going to see some of these guys with Captain.

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Speaker 1: I'm more so than in the past. You're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a lot of players, you know, just get released and

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00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: make the market even deeper than it is. And I'm

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Speaker 1: in the process of rank in the top one hundred

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Speaker 1: free agents, and I don't think it's a great market.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of players there, but there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of impact players there. So if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: a receiver, the receiver market's good, you know, and I'll

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Speaker 1: give you you know, Bengals looking for a receiver. It's

603
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: a good receiver market. But again, is Corey Davis a

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Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. He's a good player, but he's

605
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Speaker 1: not a number one wide receiver. What do you pay him?

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Speaker 1: Alan Robinson? Alan Robinson has had a hell of a

607
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. He's never played with a real

608
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Speaker 1: quarterback and he'd be good in that offense, but he

609
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Speaker 1: doesn't run that fast. And so all of them at flaws.

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Speaker 1: But the receiver market's going to be very robust. I

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Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some top offensive lineman that move on.

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Speaker 1: You know, what do you do with Trent Williams If

613
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Speaker 1: you're the forty nine ers, you get him at left tackle?

614
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Speaker 1: He plays well, he has some COVID issues, but he

615
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Speaker 1: still plays well and now he's thirty three, So will

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Speaker 1: a team that's left tackle needy decide to pay him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of dynamics, but I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. The top guys are going to get their money,

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Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have a middle class that gets

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Speaker 1: like two year deals and stuff like that that are

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Speaker 1: capped from The Bengals two top free agents are Will

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Speaker 1: Jackson and Carl Lawson. Do you have a feeling for

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Speaker 1: which of those two they should prioritize if they could

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Speaker 1: only sign one. Yeah, it's I would try and sign

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Speaker 1: both of them. To be honest with you, good premium positions,

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Speaker 1: and I think Carl Lawson's one of the most underrated

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Speaker 1: players in the league. I really do. I think he's

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00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: a good player, and so I would if I had

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Speaker 1: to pick one. I'm in the minority the way things

630
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: are flowing nowadays, because people say coverage is more important.

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I probably picked the pass rusher, but I

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Speaker 1: like both players. I would try and bring them both back.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I think those two should

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Speaker 1: be brought back. Yeah, I think the Bengals will try.

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Speaker 1: They certainly have historically tried to resign their own whenever possible.

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Speaker 1: Any prediction on where J. J. Watt is going to

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Speaker 1: wind up. I thought Buffalo would make a lot of sense,

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Speaker 1: and you know there's some interest there. Green Bay's a

639
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: possibility as well, since he grew up there. But I

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Speaker 1: think Buffalo needs him. Buffalo was really good on offense

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Speaker 1: last year. They struggled against the run in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. They need more pressure up front. We saw

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Speaker 1: that in the championship game. So as much as Green

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Speaker 1: and Greenbank could use them too, those two teams really

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Speaker 1: need him to try and amp up at two defenses

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Speaker 1: that need a dominant player that puts his hand on

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Speaker 1: the ground. A couple more questions for Pete Briscoe from CBS,

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Speaker 1: how far away are the Bengals from being good in

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Speaker 1: your opinion next year? Not this year, but the following

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Speaker 1: year they should be. If they're not, it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: And again that all is predicated to the fact that

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrows healthy and the same guy. If he's the

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Speaker 1: same guy and they get help around him, I think

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Speaker 1: they'll be good on that side of the ball, really good,

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Speaker 1: because I think the running back is a good player

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Speaker 1: and sometimes I think they don't even use them enough.

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Speaker 1: MIXI is a good player. And then you go to

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Speaker 1: the other side of the ball, there's some good young

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Speaker 1: players there, but they need to get better. They need

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Speaker 1: that's where they really need to get better on that

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Speaker 1: side of the football, top to bottom on defense, line, linebacker, corner,

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Speaker 1: take your pick. Yeah, I mean, Bates is a good

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Speaker 1: player in the back end, really good player. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's probably one of their better defense defensive players.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think all the way across, go back,

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Speaker 1: start in the front and work your way back. You

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Speaker 1: could use help with all those positions. But they do

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Speaker 1: have some young guys at linebacker. They're intrigued by some

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Speaker 1: of those guys. The kid they drafted from Boise last year, right,

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Speaker 1: he's the guy that they're intrigued by a lot or

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Speaker 1: no Wyoming not boys. And the kid from Wyoming, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: Logan Wilson from Wyoming. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I

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Speaker 1: liked him coming out. I just think that when you

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Speaker 1: look at it's a lot of youth on that side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. But again, you gotta get bigger, stronger, faster, bigger, stronger, faster.

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Speaker 1: You have a quarterback, if you build it around the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and you go bigger, stronger, faster, You're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: good football team. Well, I know that my audience will

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Speaker 1: be happy to have heard that you still think the

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Speaker 1: Bengals are going to win a super Bowl in the

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow era. And when you are right, because I

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Speaker 1: agree you will be right, I'm going to have you

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Speaker 1: on immediately afterwards so that you can gloat. Yeah, I will.

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Speaker 1: I will gload on that one and one other thing

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Speaker 1: about the Bengals. I don't think their scouting staff gets

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Speaker 1: enough credit for being who they are. I think I

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Speaker 1: think they do a good job. And you know it

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00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: used to be trendy and chic and cool. Rip the Bengals.

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00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: They're cheap, they don't spend money. Look, they do a

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00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: good job in that front office, and for whatever reason

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Speaker 1: they don't get to do they deserve. Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 1: you've probably pointed out more than any other national media

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Speaker 1: member the things that they've done. Well. Yeah, and I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, Toby's done a good job with them. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he gets the credit he deserves. And I

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Speaker 1: think they are headed in the right direction. And think

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Speaker 1: about it, Pittsburgh's probably going in the other direction. Cleveland

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00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: flashed last year. But again, would you rather have Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow or Baker Mayfield? I know the answer to that

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Speaker 1: question for me is an easy one. And Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 1: got to prove to people that he can throw the

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Speaker 1: football from the pocket. So you know, if you look

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Speaker 1: at it from a quarterback standpoint, if you ask everybody

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Speaker 1: on the outside. Right now, let's just say we're saying

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Speaker 1: we're assuming Burrow's going to be back to what he was,

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Speaker 1: because again it's just me, which of those quarterbacks would

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Speaker 1: you want more the most? Would it be Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: or Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow or whoever Pittsburgh trot's out

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Speaker 1: in the next year or so. Yeah, Joe Burrow. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously I'm biased, but I'm with you. And Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: has to learn how to throw the football better. And

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Speaker 1: again he's another guy though fairness to him, they don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot outside, they don't really try to throw

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Speaker 1: the football that much. So I let Joe Burrow will

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Speaker 1: be a big time NFL quarterback in this league. Pete,

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Speaker 1: always appreciate your time. You're the best. Thank you, all right, Dan,

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Speaker 1: take care of and that's going to do it. For

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