1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Ei the Friends. It's me Joshum for this WEEK'SYSK Select. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: I've chosen our twenty nineteen episode on the Yetti. It's 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: really fun to talk about serious attempts people make to 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: find cryptids, because we're just like tourists looking in on 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: a world that's new to us and that turns out 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: to be pretty neat. And if the story about Jimmy 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: Stewart and here sounds familiar, we also recently covered it 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: in our Tom Slick episode. So you're not experiencing deja vu, 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: which is another episode that we did before. So you're 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: not experiencing deja vu, which is another episode we did before. 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Enjoy Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: there's Charles w. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: somewhere over there, and this is Stuff you should Know. 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: The Continuing Cryptozoology edition. 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: Oh this finishes it right. 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know about that. We've done Bigfoot, Lockness 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Monster YETI we haven't done like Mothman, the Chewpacabra Chewpacabra. 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: That's a big one too. Yeah. 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: This slender Man. 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: Slender Man's more Internet folklore than anything. 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: Did we do that one or did we think about 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: it and. 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Not do it the latter of those two. 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, I said it stinks or something. 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, if I remember correctly, it hurt my feelings. Oh man, 27 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: I think it was. I think we could do slender 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Man now. It was just so early on that it 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: was very thin. Now I think it would be more robust. 30 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: It was slender. 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Well, today we're talking about the yetti, 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: which is not slender, depending on which YETI you're talking about, Chuck, 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: it's either enormous and and like eight feet tall, covered 34 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: in gray or white or maybe sometimes reddish hair, sure, 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: weighing four hundred five hundred pounds easily, Yeah, or actually 36 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: it is kind of slender. It could be basically what 37 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: amounts to a wild hippie, basically a somebody who likes 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: to grub roots out of the ground and lets out 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: a squeal or a cry every once in a while, 40 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: just to I guess know that they're alive. And there's 41 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: really two competing versions of what those of us in 42 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: the Western world would think was the yetti. But the 43 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: one we're really talking about is the first one, what 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: we also think of as the Abominable Snowman. 45 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 3: How tall was Hippie Rob? 46 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: He was average, like five something, I guess, like high fives. 47 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Probably he was a little shorter than me. 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah he was. 49 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: He was not the He was not the the Yeti 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: of legend as far as I know. He could be 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: now though. 52 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It just sounded an awful lot 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 3: like him. 54 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: It kind of doesn't. 55 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: Yelping in the mountains, grubbing for roots. 56 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Yep, covered in dirt and with wild, crazy hair. 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: So I think we should just tell, like, if you 58 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: don't know what we're talking about, this is the legendary 59 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: beast that lives in Asia. 60 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, around the Himalayas typically. 61 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's known as Asia's Bigfoot, or maybe Bigfoot 62 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: is known as North America's Yeti. I don't know. I 63 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: guess YETI came first, right. 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Yeti's been around with the Shirpa of 65 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: Tibet for a very long time. 66 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's sort of the deal of this. The 67 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: origin story of this thing is the Yeti has been 68 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: told for many, many years, and traditional stories in that 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: area there was someone named Shiva do Hall that collected 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: a bunch of these stories in a book called folk 71 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: Tales of Sherpa and Yeti, and all of them kind 72 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: of figured the same way, which was, whether it's a 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: story called the Annihilation of the Yeti in which this 74 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: is pretty good. It's about Sherpas seeking revenge on a 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: tormenting group of Yettis this sounds like something that should 76 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: be on like the Sci Fi channel. 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if it wasn't. 78 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: But all of these stories basically have the same moral 79 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: message at the end, which is it's sort of like 80 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: a Grim's fairy tale, like be careful out on the woods. 81 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly. I think it serves the exact same 82 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: purpose too in the Grim's fairy tales. And I thought 83 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, there's witches that live in 84 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: candy houses, so don't go wandering off in the woods, kids, 85 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: because you'll end up getting eaten. For little kids in Tibet, 86 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: it was don't wander off into the Tibetan plateau, or 87 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: the Yetti will get you, and you will all sorts 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: of terrible things will happen to you. 89 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 3: Which is funny because there are all sorts of real 90 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: things that could kill you in the Tibetan plateau. 91 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Well that's what I think. What they were saying was, 92 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, you can't just be like, look out for 93 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: the bears. 94 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: You can't. 95 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: Kid'll be like, I don't know. I can see a 96 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: brash kid being like, no, a bear. Everybody knows what 97 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: a bear is. I'll wrestle a bear any day of 98 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: the week maybe. And then you know, along the way 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: it gets into a drinking contest with Marion from Indiana Jones. 100 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, exactly. That was one of the best 101 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: scenes in the history of film. Yeah, yeah, I think so, 102 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: and Tibetan kids tend to agree with me too. But 103 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: before we move on, I want to say one thing 104 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: that Annihilation of the Yetie, keep that in the back 105 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: of your mind. The story was that, like, there are 106 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of yetti that were hanging around and the 107 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: Shripa were sick of them hanging around. So the Shirpa 108 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: basically threw a yetti party and got drunk and fought 109 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: with each other to kind of provide an example to 110 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: the YETI, Hey, you should get drunk and fight with 111 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: each other too, in the hopes of the Yeti would 112 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: destroy each other. It didn't work, and the Yeti all 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: managed to escape, except for one, who was supposedly killed 114 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: by a Lama, one of the Buddhist monks in the area. 115 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: That's part of the story. That's the end. 116 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: That's the annihilation of the Yeti. 117 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: Wow. Story, I didn't know Alama figured in. 118 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: And really, annihilation is kind of a strong word if 119 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: you think about it, because if you just killed one 120 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: out of I think two hundred and forty Yeti, it's 121 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: hardly annihilation. 122 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 3: That's a good point. 123 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: I think so too. 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: So throughout history, these legends have been pervasive in the region, 125 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: so much so that supposedly the Great Alexander or Alexander 126 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: the Great, I'm not sure why I did that. When 127 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: he came through town and conquered the Indus Valley, he said, 128 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: I'd like to see one of your famous a yeties. 129 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 130 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: If that's what Alexander the Great sounded like. 131 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: No, no, what did ancient Roman sound like? If not? 132 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: Was he Roman? I think he was Greek? Was he? Uh? Huh? Jeez? 133 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: How about uh really screwed that up? 134 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: I say, let's see, I knew that to a German accent. Oh, 135 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm just slot. 136 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna leave. 137 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: No, hang, hang tight, Chuck, you can rebound. 138 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Why did I think he was Roman in that Greek? 139 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Well, because the Romans like to pretend they were Greek themselves. 140 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: I'm not firing on all cylinders. But regardless of my 141 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: bad accent, or maybe I should just edit back in 142 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: and say that was my Greek accent. 143 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: There you go. 144 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: He said, I want to see a YETI and they 145 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: the local locals that were like, you know, we totally 146 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: would do that. However, you can't get him down this 147 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: low and you'd have to hike really high up those mountains, 148 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: and I know you're not down with that, so. 149 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, exactly. So I guess Alexander the Great was like, 150 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm bored. I can't believe we're still talking about this. 151 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: Give me some wine. Yeah, gotten a drinking contest, and 152 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: that was that. So the yetti continued on in Sherpa 153 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: tradition in Tibetan, Nepal, and Bhutan, but in the West 154 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: it kind of disappeared from view until the twentieth century. 155 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: And so remember these are tall tales that the Sherpa 156 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: teached their kids. Although there is supposedly some I guess 157 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: general belief as well, but I can't I can't quite 158 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: penetrate it. But just imagine that it was just strictly 159 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: tall tales the Sherpa people told their kids. Then Westerners 160 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: came in and said, what is this you're talking about? 161 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: Tell us about this and just bought the whole thing, 162 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: hook line and sinker. 163 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, and things really took for him. In nineteen twenty one, 164 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: there's a journalist named Henry Newman. He did an interview 165 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: with some British explorers, and this is a time of 166 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: great exploration, especially from the British. These sort of these 167 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 3: I guess Indiana Jones, like mountaineers who would go all 168 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: over the world in search of these you know, jungles 169 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: and mountains, in search of crazy beasts and treasures and 170 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: things like that. Right, sure, So he interviewed some of 171 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: these guys and they said, you know what, we found 172 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: these huge footprints up in the mountains and the locals there, 173 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: I guess Sherpa said, because what in shirpa the plural 174 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: sherpa did me determine it? 175 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. 176 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. That was a good episode, by the way, everyone. 177 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: It was go back and listen to that one. 178 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: What was the title of Warm, Friendly Living. 179 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's I think what ten Zing Norgay said. 180 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: It's so great. 181 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 182 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: So they said that their guides are Sherpa guides called 183 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: them mito kangmi, which the translation, the real translation is 184 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: a little awkward man bear snowman. Right, but Newman confused 185 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: all that. He got the snowman part right, but he 186 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: translated that first part to mean mato m EtOH to 187 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: mean filthy or dirty, and then he changed that on 188 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: his own to the word abominable, right, and that's where 189 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: we get the abominable snowman. 190 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, I don't like filthy snowman. I'm 191 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: going to change the name that I've already gotten wrong, right, 192 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: and turned it into abominable snowman. 193 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. He really great journalist. 194 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: But it's fascinating that you can trace it back to 195 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: this one dummy. Yeah, that's the whole the abominable Snowman. 196 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: That's where it came from, was this one guy. And 197 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: that obviously just completely captured the attention of the rest 198 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: of the world when he wrote this, because like this 199 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: was not just like, oh yeah, they heard about an 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: abominable snowman. It was these these explorers found tracks and 201 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: there sure, but guides told them the treks belonged to 202 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: this abominable snowman. Therefore, there are abominable snowmen living in 203 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: the Himalayas. And the explorer who led that particular expedition 204 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: was Charles Howard Berry Howard hyphen Barry bu Ry, and 205 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: apparently he and Newman were really big into promoting the 206 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,479 Speaker 1: idea of an abominable snowman or men living in the Himalayas, 207 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: and that it just being like this giant, huge creature 208 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: with shaggy hair, very much akin to Bigfoot. But if 209 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: you look at the descriptions of the traditional descriptions of 210 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: the Yeti, they're much smaller and not nearly as huge 211 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: as the Westerners kind of immediately made it out to be. 212 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one description, one of the earlier written 213 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: descriptions from nineteen forty two. There was a researcher named 214 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: Mira Shackley, and I believe that she got this information 215 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: from two hikers that reported seeing the Yetti, right, and 216 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: this is what they said. The height was not much 217 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: less than eight feet so tall for sure, but it's 218 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: not like it was ten feet tall. Right the head 219 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: were the heads, because there were two of them, were 220 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: described as squarish, and the ears must lie close to 221 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 3: the skull because there was no projection from the silhouette 222 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: against the snow. The shoulders sloped slowly down to a 223 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: powerful chest covered by reddish brown hair which formed a 224 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: close body fur mixed with long, straight hairs hanging downward, 225 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: about the size and build of a small man that 226 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: had covered with long hair, but the face and chest 227 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 3: not very hairy at all. This all sounds like they 228 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: always describe him as it as bipedal, right, means you know, 229 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: walking upright, right. 230 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: But if you go back and look at that nineteen 231 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: forty two description and how detailed it was, Yeah, hikers 232 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: who gave the description said that they saw they saw 233 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: all this from observing two black specks moving across the 234 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: snow about a quarter mile below them. And yet they 235 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: could see that it had a thick undercoat and like 236 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: a very long, hairy overcoat and that was reddish and 237 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: like that's just basically perfect abominable snowman sighting. 238 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed, But it's one. 239 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: Of like many after that Howard Berry expedition came back 240 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: and Newman broadcasts to the world. People started going to 241 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: the Himalayas and droves, and they weren't just necessarily looking 242 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: for the abominable Snowman. Everest was there, and everybody knew 243 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: Everest was there, and a lot of people wanted to 244 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: be the first one to summ at Everest, the first Westerner, 245 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: I should say, to some at Everest. So while a 246 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: lot of them were in the area, they're like, well, well, 247 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: look for the Abominable Snowman while we're here too. 248 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and some pretty legendary mountaineers. And granted these are 249 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: not like zoologists or anything, but they're respected men in 250 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: their field. People like Ryan Hold Messner and one Sir 251 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: Edmund Hillary both searched for evidence of the Eddie while 252 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: they were hiking, and Messner even wrote a book called 253 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: My Quest for the Eddie, confronting the Himalaya's deepest mystery. 254 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: But I mean, well, we'll save the big reveal to 255 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: the end or the third act of this show. 256 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: Okay, is here a third act? Yeah, there's gotta be Okay, 257 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: we're in big trouble. If there's not, well, why. 258 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: Don't we take a break and then we'll come back 259 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: and talk a little bit about a couple of more 260 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: of these reported sightings. 261 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right, Well, now we're on the road, 262 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: driving in your truck. I want to learn a thing 263 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: or two from Josh Chuck. It's stuff you should know. 264 00:14:52,040 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Should all right, okay, Chuck. So we've started to get 265 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: some sightings from expeditions that are going to Everest and 266 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: just hanging around the Himalayas. And then I think in 267 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one, something really big happened. One of those explorers, 268 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Eric Shipton, took a photograph of a track that to 269 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: this day looks pretty remarkable. Actually yeah, I. 270 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: Mean this is again it's not like hard evidence, but 271 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: this is a very famous photo. I remember seeing this 272 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: when I was a kid, and like, I guess it 273 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: was probably the Guinness or Ripley's Believe it or Not 274 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: or something. 275 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: It was Time Life books for me, was it? Yeah? 276 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I remember that it's a very famous 277 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: picture of a like a pic like you know pickaxe. 278 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, use for scale, yeah, right next to it. 279 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: And I remember that very distinctly. When I saw this picture, 280 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,359 Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah. 281 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: And then when you look at it, you're like wait, 282 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't look quite right. That's a really weird tracks. 283 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: It looks like an elongated human foot, but rather than 284 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: a left toe. Got it's kind of bulbous and weird. 285 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't look like the other toes, and it certainly 286 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: doesn't look like what a human toe should look like. 287 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: And it's also huge. I think it was measured about 288 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: thirteen inches, which is a pretty typical size for a 289 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: yetti track from what I understand over the ages. But 290 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: the thing about it is it is a nice, crisp, 291 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: fresh track. And the other thing about it, and this 292 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: is what really captured the attention of the world. Eric 293 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: Shipton was not known to be a particularly fraudulent person. 294 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: He was a very respected explorer and mountaineer. He knew 295 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: the area well and as a guy who has tracked 296 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: yetdy his whole life. I believe his name is Daniel Taylor. Yeah, 297 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: Daniel Taylor put it, if Shipton's coming back with a 298 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: picture of a track, you know it's a real track. 299 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: It's not faked. It's not a hoax. So the question 300 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: was what was it? And this is nineteen fifty one, 301 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: and it hit the world, that picture, that track hit 302 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: the world like the surgeon's photo of the Lochness Monster 303 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: hit the world back in nineteen thirty three. It just 304 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: became like proof to people who believe in the Yeti 305 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: around the world that the Yeti definitely exists. 306 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you said, it was really what 307 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: made it different than other photos that it was so sharp. 308 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: It was a really good picture. And that little toe 309 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: thing basically looked like a thumb and it just you know, 310 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: it looked odd. But this Daniel Taylor guy, he actually 311 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: when I started reading that article, I thought, oh boy, 312 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: this crackpot. But he actually turned out to be a 313 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 3: pretty cool guy because he spent a lot of his 314 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: life looking for the YETI, went over there, even met 315 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: with the Kingdom Nepal, and the Kingdom Nepal said, well, 316 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: if you want to go, like to the wildest place 317 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: in the most remote place in our land, go to 318 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: bhun b a r u n this Barun valley. And 319 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: he went there and he looked around and he did 320 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 3: not find a Yeti. But what he did do was 321 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 3: ended up helping to work towards conservation of that area, 322 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,239 Speaker 3: which was kind of a nice silver lining to his 323 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: story was he got there and he was like, this 324 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 3: is one of the most beautiful places on Earth and 325 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: one of the greatest wilderness wildernesses I've ever been to. 326 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: He realized it wasn't protected and that like Chinese loggers 327 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: were infringing on one side and farmers were infringing on 328 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: the other. So he kind of spun it into like 329 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: good work doing conservation work in that area, which was 330 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 3: kind of cool. 331 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he got it turned into a notional park in Nepal. 332 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: It's a protected area now, which is significant. Have you 333 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: seen pictures of the valley. It's astounding. It's one of 334 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: the most beautiful places I've ever seen in my life. 335 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: And it was just being used because the people living 336 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: there like, well, we need this land. Yeah, it's beautiful, 337 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: but we can't afford to preserve it because a lot 338 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: of people around here live on fifteen dollars a year, 339 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: so they were just making use of it however they could. 340 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: And he came in with the government and said, no, no, 341 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: no more of that, get out of here. This is 342 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: protected now. But it is gorgeous. And he had actually 343 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: been raised there. Daniel Taylor's grandparents were missionaries in the Himalayas, 344 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: and his parents kind of took over his grandparents' work, 345 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: so he was raised in the Himalayas, so he'd been 346 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: looking for the eddy his whole life. But when he 347 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: went to the Bahun he feels like he found the 348 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: answer to that track, that it was a kind of 349 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: tree bear. But there's a big problem with that. The 350 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: Barun Valley is a subtropical rain forest, so a tree 351 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: bear living in there wouldn't survive very very well in 352 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: the snow of the Tibetan plateau, you know, ten thousand 353 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: or more feet higher up the mountain, So it doesn't 354 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: really solve the mystery much. 355 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: No, But his notion that it could have been a 356 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: tree bear makes a little more sense with these tracks, 357 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: because a tree bear does have a I don't know 358 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: if you call it a thumb, but some sort of 359 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: a posable digit to make climbing easier, and that would 360 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: at least explain this weird thumb like thing in these prints. 361 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: It would. So he's got like half of the thing explained. 362 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: The other half is what the heck was that tree bears, 363 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: the subtropical rainforest tree bear doing up in the mountains 364 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: of the Himalayas. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, like 365 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: in the snow above the snow line, I guess, is 366 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. But the other thing about 367 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: that ship ten photo that became world famous for the 368 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: yetti was that, like the track itself was very crisp. 369 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: And there's a guy named Benjamin Radford who's a skeptic 370 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: who has written a lot about the yetti and in 371 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: particular how difficult obtaining YETI tracks could be, or actually, 372 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: more to the point, how easy it would be to 373 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: confuse the normal animal's tracks or something weird because of 374 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: the fact that the snow is a terrible medium for tracks. 375 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: Because like say, a bear walks through an area and 376 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: leaves some tracks in the snow. The next morning, as 377 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: the sun comes up and it hits the tracks and 378 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: it shoots all that heat under that track, it starts 379 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: to melt the sides, maybe elongate it, maybe make the 380 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: toes look splayed, and it just doesn't resemble a bear 381 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: track anymore at all. It looks like something weird and 382 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: not previously known, like an entirely new species. That's the 383 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: thing about the Shipton photograph that captured everyone's attention. It 384 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: doesn't like that at all. It looks sharp new. It 385 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: doesn't look melted at all. The edges are clean and crisp. 386 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: That's what I think really kind of struck everybody. It 387 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: wasn't like a melted, mangled track. It was like a 388 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: new track by something that was not immediately identifiable. 389 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So there have been other photographs through 390 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: the years, as you know, supposed evidence. In nineteen eighty six, 391 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: a hiker named Anthony Wooldridge said there's a yetty over there. 392 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 3: He's about five hundred feet away and he saw a 393 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 3: bunch of tracks in the snow that looked like it 394 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: was going that way, and he took some photographs that 395 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: were proven genuine. But I think by genuine that just 396 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 3: means they weren't faked. 397 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I That's how I understand. 398 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: It, because wasn't this the photo that they said, actually 399 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: those are just rocks standing up, Yeah, like rock outcropping 400 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: or whatever. 401 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. This guy was also a respected mountaineer and explore 402 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: and knew the area really well. And so when he 403 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: came back with this photo and they said this photo 404 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: wasn't faked, it's not been doctored, right, people people listened 405 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: to him too, But it just turns out he was wrong. 406 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: This photo of rocks has not been doctored exactly. 407 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: That's that's ultimately what they were saying, because another expedition 408 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: went back to the same spot the next year and 409 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: we're like, oh uh, yeah, that's it's those rocks over there. 410 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: And even even in his account, that guy what was 411 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: his name, Woodridge, Yeah, Woodridge says like, yeah, they just 412 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: stood there motionless. Larry Gavic like, rocks, Yeah they were 413 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: they were still his boulders, upright boulders. But the other 414 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: thing is he swore that there were tracks leading up 415 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: to it, so he seemed to think that that they 416 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: really were there. But from what I understand, he was 417 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: earnest in his report. It wasn't like a fraud or 418 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: a hoax or anything like that. And I think he 419 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: was a little a little red faced afterward. Probably. 420 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. They even made a movie about it called This 421 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 3: goes Hiking. 422 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: Ernest Saves Christmas with the Abominable Snowman. I'll bet Ernest 423 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: did save Christmas in one movie. I guarantee there's a 424 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: movie called Ernest Saves Christmas. 425 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: I think there was, right, No. 426 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: The only one I'm one hundred percent sure of is 427 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: Ernest goes to camp. 428 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: I never saw any of those. 429 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: My family saw that movie in the theater the top. 430 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: Dollar, top dollar, which was three dollars. 431 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I hope so at the time, which 432 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: is surprising because my mom used to sneak in bulk 433 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: candy from like the store across the way from the 434 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: movie theater in Southwick Mall. 435 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, we know that move in our family. 436 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: It works works really well. 437 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 3: So over the years there have been not only things 438 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: like oh look footprints or hey, look at that rock 439 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: across the valley, there have been I don't want to 440 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: call it evidence, but alleged evidence brought forward by legitimate 441 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: scientist and people like Sir Edmund Hillary, like he brought 442 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: back a scalp and said he didn't say I scalped 443 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 3: the Yeti, but he said, hey, I think this is 444 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: a YETI scalp. Yeah he got trying to fool anyone, though, 445 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 3: was he? 446 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: No? No, no, He was supposedly kind of a casual 447 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: believer in it. He'd been sent on a Yeti expedition 448 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: by New World Encyclopedia years before, and he came back 449 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: with a Yeti skull cap that he'd gotten from a 450 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: monastery in Nepal. They had a Yeti skull cap and 451 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: a hand, a Yeti hand, a mummified Yetti hand. And 452 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: what's crazy is that Yeddi's skull cap was supposedly the 453 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: scalp of the one Yetti that had been killed during 454 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: the annihilation of the Yeti story. I didn't know, so 455 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: he brings it back. I think it wasn't that he 456 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: was gullible, and I also am sure it wasn't that 457 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: it was he was a hoaxter. He was the kind 458 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: of scientific person who kept his mind open until the 459 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: evidence was in Man, can. 460 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 3: You imagine a time when an encyclopedia company would send 461 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 3: Sir Edmund Hillary out on assignment? Like how great is that? 462 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: I know that was the mid twentieth century. It was 463 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: a great, great time to be alive in the way 464 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: of wondering curiosity. 465 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 3: So, yeah, he comes back with his scalp and it 466 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: turns out they did a little research and it was 467 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: a It's an animal called a sero. It's kind of 468 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 3: like a goat. 469 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: You have some poor Siro got scalped. 470 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that happened a lot, like there was this 471 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: finger And this is a pretty good story that actor 472 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: Jimmy Stewart, believe it or not, was involved in smuggling 473 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 3: out supposed YETI finger. 474 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, from again from a monastery. I believe it might 475 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: have been the same monastery. 476 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. And wasn't he just on vacation there and just 477 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 3: got sort of mixed up in this plan. 478 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. We got to mention Tom Slick, the oil man. 479 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, because he figures into this story. He was a 480 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 3: rich guy who he was one of these dudes, this 481 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 3: sort of adventuring rich guys that was like, I'm a 482 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 3: YETI hunter for this year. 483 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you say hunter, like he was a hunter. 484 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: His entire point to finding the YETI was to shoot 485 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: and kill it, Yeah, and to take it back and 486 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: have it stuffed. And the government and Nepaul had a 487 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: real problem with that and basically said, your expedition is banned. 488 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: Nobody can come in here and kill the Yeti. And 489 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: apparently the US State Department got in touch with Nepal 490 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: and said, hey, by the way, we have the same feeling. 491 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: We have a policy of not killing YETI either. So 492 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: apparently with that, Tom Slick's expedition was allowed back in 493 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: on the basis that they would never try to kill 494 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: the YETI. Except in self defense, okay. And I guess 495 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: later on when he became interested in bigfoot, he had 496 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: a change of heart and he stopped decided he stopped 497 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: hunting to kill and started hunting just to find and 498 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: maybe capture on photograph and that was it, And that 499 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: his change of heart changed the way that bigfoot is 500 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: searched for to this day, and the yetty now really 501 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: much more. Yeah, it's much more peaceful search. He was 502 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: like the last of the big game hunters involved in 503 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: like trying to find unidentified animals again to kill them 504 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: so they could be stuffed and kept to the National 505 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: Geographic Society or something like that. 506 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that was a big thing that 507 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: Daniel's guy talks about, just these legends and history and 508 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: how quote unquote science back then was in the Victorian 509 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: age were where because you know, all these tales of 510 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: Tarzan and these fantastic beasts, people would just these rich 511 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: people would go into the jungle and search for animals 512 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: that no one had ever seen before so they could 513 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: shoot and kill them and bring them back and say, 514 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: look at this weird thing. 515 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: Right, And I mean a lot of people like don't 516 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: really like you point to the guys who were out 517 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: there like doing the hunting and killing and the exploitation 518 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: and all of that, but they were very frequently working 519 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: at the behest of museums. Sure who for a very 520 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: long time got a pass, even though they were the 521 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: source of those expeditions and the funders of those expeditions. 522 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: And the reason people were out there in the first 523 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: place was to go get specimens for the museum's collections 524 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: and ostensibly to study or whatever, but it was to 525 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: study them dead. And I think probably because there wasn't 526 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: really any reliable way to ship a live specimen back 527 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but also there was so 528 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: I think Tom Slick kind of represented the end of 529 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: that and then the beginning of this new era of 530 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: much more peaceful exploration and expeditions. 531 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want to leave everyone hanging on 532 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 3: Jimmy Stewart, he was on the really he was on vacation, 533 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 3: I think in Calcutta, got mixed up in this and 534 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: this yetti finger helped smuggle it back. And they finally 535 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 3: did DNA testing about seven or eight years ago and 536 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 3: they said, oh, this is a human. 537 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 1: Finger, right, But I mean, for a while there they 538 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: weren't one hundred percent sure, and I guess Tom Slick 539 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: was friends had a common friend with Jimmy Stewart, and 540 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: Jimmy Stewart happened to be in India, and so Tom 541 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: Slick's agents in Nepal managed to get this finger to 542 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Jimmy Stewart, who agreed to smuggle it out on the 543 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: basis that Jimmy Stewart's luggage is not going to get searched. 544 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: And Jimmy Stewart smuggled a yetti finger out of India 545 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: and to the UK for it to be studied. 546 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: I'll go go, go ahead and put the finger in 547 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: my bag. 548 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: I was so hoping you're going to do a Jimmy Stewart. 549 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: YETI impression in my head. 550 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: I was like, Jimmy Stewart, can I plow that off? 551 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: You did? Man, you nailed it right. 552 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: Well, let's take another break and we'll come back and 553 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: talk more about DNA and how that is figured in 554 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 3: UH in the search in more recent years. Right after this, well, 555 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 3: now we're on the road, driving in your truck. 556 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: I want to learn a thing or two from Josh Chuck. 557 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 3: It's stuff you should know, all right. 558 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: So check you remember in the Lochness episode, the Lockness 559 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: Monster episode, we talked about how there's like a new 560 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: search going on where they're sampling the locke itself and 561 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: examining it for DNA. Apparently applying modern genetics in genetic 562 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: analysis to cryptozoology is like the next chapter. And rather 563 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: than saying like, well, that's it for us, our big 564 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: fraud is over with, cryptozoologists are like, awesome, good, we 565 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: finally have the tools now to find out to get 566 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: to the bottom of this stuff. And I actually discovered 567 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: new new specimens or new species. So they seem to 568 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: be quite happy about it and quite excited, although there 569 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of their beliefs hang in the balance 570 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: and could just be have the legs cut out from 571 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: under them by science. 572 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: That's true, so science wins. In twenty thirteen, there's a 573 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: geneticist at Oxford named Brian Sykes who said, all right, 574 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: YETI holders of YETI pieces, send them to me. If 575 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: you have any yetti hair YETI teeth, YETI tissue, send 576 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 3: it to Oxford University. And he got it. He got 577 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: fifty seven samples. They picked thirty six of those to 578 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 3: do some DNA analysis on and most of these turned 579 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: out to be animals that we all know, like bears 580 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 3: and cow and horses at the time, though, he found 581 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: a couple of samples from Bhutan and India that he 582 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: said were one hundred percent match for the jawbones of 583 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 3: a polar bear from the Pleistocene era. Yeah, and this 584 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 3: is kind of excited people because this may have been, 585 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: I mean, not the Yeti, but this may have been 586 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: sort of a combination, a hybrid of a polar bear 587 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: and a brown bear, because this is when they were 588 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 3: diverging genetically, and that in itself would be a pretty 589 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: cool find. 590 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it would be a new type of 591 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: bear that was a direct descendant from bears that went 592 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: extinct about forty thousand years ago, and it'd be a 593 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: type of polar bear. There aren't polar bears in the Himalayas. 594 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: There's black bears, there's brown bears, there's Himalaean bears, there's 595 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: tree bears, but there's not polar bears. So and the 596 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: fact that like he accidentally found this by putting out 597 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: this call for samples of Yeti or Bigfoot or whoever 598 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: or just made it all the all the sweeter that 599 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: like he had just accidentally discovered a new type of 600 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: polar bear living in the Himalayas. 601 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but sadly that was not even the case. Some 602 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: more scientists came along later. They did re analysis, and 603 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: I think what they landed on was, you know, unfortunately 604 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: these I think you're getting a bad reading because of 605 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 3: a damage sample. What these really are are just brown bears. 606 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: They're brown bears. Yeah. Some other people followed up, because 607 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: it's not like it was any kind of hoax or 608 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: anything like that. Wyke, it's Wit, right. His last name 609 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: is Wit Sikes. Sikes. Sykes is like a leading expert 610 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: on analyzing mitochondrial DNA. Wrote the book The Seven Daughters 611 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: of Eve, which kind of introduced the world to genetic 612 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: analysis through MT DNA. But he just made a mistake 613 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: or leaped to a conclusion. I think is the the 614 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: the thing that everyone's being too polite to maybe say. 615 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: But he shared all of his data on gen Bank, 616 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: which is this huge database, and other people came and 617 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: analyzed and said, no, it's just regular bears. And then 618 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: other people analyzed and said, yeah, it's totally just regular 619 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: brown bears that we already know about. 620 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that science at least was getting involved, and 621 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 3: scientists kind of round me were like, you know what, 622 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: this is great because we're using real science finally, and 623 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 3: regardless of what result we get, like we're doing it 624 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 3: the right way. And that's really kind of the thing 625 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 3: that counts, Like, don't be disappointed that we're not finding 626 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 3: the yetti because and if it's not clear to everyone listening, 627 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 3: it seems like the yeti are almost always just bears. 628 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: Yes, that not just the the tissue samples or the 629 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: fecal samples or the hair samples, but also the tracks, 630 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: the sightings, all of it are probably just Himalayan bears, 631 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: brown bears, and black bears. And that's actually the opinion 632 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: of Ryan hold Messner, who actually is such a mountaineer 633 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: around the area. He has a museum in the mountains, 634 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: and one of his YETI samples were one of the 635 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: ones that Sykes analyzed. His turned out to be the 636 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: tooth of a dog, But he says that doesn't surprise me, 637 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: because I think they're all bears. I think all of 638 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: his bears, including his own sighting. He became infatuated with 639 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: searching for the yetti because he spotted something in the 640 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: Himalayas that he couldn't explain, and then through his own 641 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: methodical research, he wrote a book about it. He talked 642 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: to other people about it, he did his own studies, 643 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: and he kept his mind open and his mind became 644 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: converted to it's all bears. 645 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. The Russians got involved. You would think, oh, 646 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 3: and what like the nineteen sixties. Now they got involved 647 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 3: about eight years ago and went searching for the Yeti 648 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 3: in Siberia, And what they came back with were things like, oh, 649 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 3: look at this. These twisted tree branches were made into 650 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 3: beds or sleeping pods by the Yeti, and they twisted 651 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: these branches and look at this, it's evidence. But it 652 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 3: turns out that they were clearly man made. There were 653 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: tool made cuts, and they were located not in a 654 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 3: remote area at all. 655 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: And just like right off a trail, I think, right. 656 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, And what people think is, oh, they just cook 657 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 3: this stuff up to try and bring tourism to a 658 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 3: not very tourist friendly area. 659 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: Right Siberia like they And apparently there's a long standing 660 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: tradition among Russians and former Soviets of basically drumming up 661 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: tourism by playing on people's beliefs in the Yeti and 662 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: the Abominable Snowman. And I think there was a period 663 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,479 Speaker 1: of time. One of the people interviewed in this great 664 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: BBC article about the Yeti, this Russian scientist, says, there's 665 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: a period of time where it was like very fashionable 666 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: for the intelligentsia of Russia and the Soviet Union to 667 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: basically go on trips in the summer looking for the 668 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: abominable Snowman. And they would show up in these towns, 669 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: and every town had a designated Yetti witness, and the 670 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeti witness's job was to basically regale them with tall 671 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: tales that were supposedly true, take them on these tours 672 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: into the forest, and then make a bunch of money 673 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: off of them, and say thanks a lot, chump, Sorry 674 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: we didn't see anything this time. But they apparently in 675 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: twenty eleven the Russian government orchestrated another one of those 676 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: through this conference, and from the conference they announced to 677 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: the world they had found indisputable proof that Yeti exists 678 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: from this bed and these broken branches, and supposedly a 679 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: few hairs attached to a clump of moss. But some 680 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: other people who were attending anthropologists and biologists were like, no, 681 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: it's totally made up. This is all just a big 682 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: tourist pr stunt. Yeah, which is hilarious way to go Russia, 683 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: and Putin supposedly tried to do it again. In twenty sixteen, 684 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: he announced that he saw three yeti from a helicopter 685 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: tour of Siberia. 686 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 3: Oh that's funny. 687 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. 688 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 3: So, I mean I don't have much else YETI your 689 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 3: bears right. 690 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. We couldn't talk about cryptozoology though without mentioning that 691 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: celacanth argument. And the thing about the yeti is that 692 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: there was actually a species of ape called Gigantapithecus that 693 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: was like a nine foot tall ape, the biggest ape 694 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: that ever lived, that lived in that very area, and 695 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: went extinct about one hundred thousand years ago. So the 696 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: people who really believe in this are like, you know, 697 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: we thought the Ceila cantwine extinct like sixty million years before. 698 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: We just think this guy went extinct one hundred thousand 699 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: years before. Who's to say. So that seems to be 700 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: the thing that's carrying on this belief. That and the 701 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: fact that, as somebody put in one of these articles, 702 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: all it would take is one Yetti to prove that 703 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,479 Speaker 1: YETI exists. But no matter how much, there's no such 704 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: thing as evidence, they can prove it doesn't exist. So 705 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: people are always going to believe it. 706 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 3: Just like NeSSI exactly and Bigfoot exactly. 707 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: So there you go. If you want to know more 708 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: about the YETI, go to the Himalayas and look for 709 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: it yourself. And since I said that, it's time for 710 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: a listener. 711 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 3: Mail, or we should mention. If you're in Disney World, 712 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 3: there's a roller coaster ride called Expedition Everest Colin because 713 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 3: you know every good roller coaster has a colon in 714 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 3: the name, right colon Legend of Forbidden Mountain. There is 715 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 3: a track on display there that the reason it's not 716 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 3: in a scientific museum and it's a Disney World is 717 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 3: because it's the Yetti track. 718 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: But you can go look at one from a TV show. 719 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy named Gates who is not a zoologist 720 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 3: at all, but he's an actor and an animal track 721 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 3: or I don't even think he's an animal tracker, is he? 722 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 1: No? No, he's an an actor and a TV presenter 723 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: and a producer. 724 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they presented one on his TV show and 725 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 3: now that's a disney World Yeah. 726 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: So, and if you're in Disneyland, there's a yetti on 727 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: the Matterhorn ride. 728 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 3: Oh really like a real yetti. 729 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have one Shane by the neck inside the 730 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: matter Horns. Really scrawny. They clearly aren't taking very good 731 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: care of amazing. I already said his time for listener 732 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: Maile Charles. 733 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got distracted. Sorry, So I'm gonna call this 734 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 3: follow up on the Chili Finger that Jimmy Stewart play 735 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 3: in it at Wendy's. Nice and quick shout out. This 736 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 3: is a local listener from Georgia Tech. But I just 737 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 3: wanted to say hello to a couple of people I 738 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 3: met last weekend at the High Museum when I went 739 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 3: to the Infinity Mirrors exhibits. 740 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: Oh isn't that amazing? 741 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, y always Kusama. 742 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was. 743 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 3: Here's what I think. I think it was really cool, 744 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 3: and it would have been a lot cooler if it's 745 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 3: just like, yeah, you just walk through all these things 746 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 3: and you don't wait thirty minutes to spend twenty seconds 747 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 3: in the room. Yep, that took away from it a bit. 748 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: You Me and I went at the end of the 749 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: day and people thinned out and we could just keep 750 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: going in and staying as long as we wanted in them. 751 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: So I totally get what you were saying. 752 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 3: It was cool though, and I also think, like I 753 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 3: went with my brother and his family, and Scott was 754 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 3: kind of like, I could build one of these in 755 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: my backyard by next weekend. 756 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: I want to see Scott's infinity mirror. I thought the 757 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: same thing. It'd be awesome to build one of those 758 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: and just like to hang out in it. For sure. 759 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to take anything away from her though. 760 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 3: She's a great artist and it was really neat. I 761 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 3: love the I think the one that was sort of 762 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 3: like the Christmas lights was my favorite one. 763 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: What about the one that's like a kind of like 764 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: an octagonal box that you look in? 765 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 3: That was awesome. 766 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like you see your future in the 767 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: eighties or something like that. 768 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. I got a couple of cool photos, but I 769 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 3: largely kept the phone in my pocket and just tried 770 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 3: to be in it. 771 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: Man, yeah, man, I'm with you. 772 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 3: So anyway, I met a couple of listeners that were 773 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 3: just happened to be there, and they both came up 774 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 3: and like, are you chuck, and so my brother got 775 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 3: a kick out of that as well. 776 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome, But. 777 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 3: This was not one of those people. 778 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: Okay. 779 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 3: It just reminded me because it's a Georgia Tech student. Hey, guys, 780 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 3: relatively new listener, have probably listened to about one hundred 781 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 3: episodes so far. Tend to hop around, as you can tell. 782 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 3: I'm a Georgia Tech student and really hope to run 783 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 3: into you guys. At some point in Atlanta. 784 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: Did I mention I go to Georgia Tech. 785 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 3: Anyway, I finally sort of had something to write in 786 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 3: about it. Was listening to the Windy's Chili podcast, suddenly 787 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 3: heard the name of a place. It sounded very familiar. 788 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 3: Cole's Custard. Remember we mentioned that at the end as 789 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 3: a place where there was a finger. Oh yeah, he 790 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 3: said it was one of the places where a finger 791 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 3: had been found. And it shocked me as it is 792 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 3: just a tiny little custard shop that is not a 793 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 3: chain on quite expensive beach property in North Carolina. 794 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: I've been as a Georgia Tech student. I was shocked. 795 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 3: I've been to the place probably five or ten times 796 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 3: as a frequent Missouri of Rightsville Beach and had never 797 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 3: heard of anyone mentioned this incident. I just think it's 798 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 3: very impressive that a small little store managed stay afloat 799 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 3: after such an incident occurred. Hearing about the finger incident 800 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 3: will not deter me from going again, though, And that 801 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 3: is from Ethan Lyons and Ethan. Maybe that is exactly 802 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 3: why it endured. It's because people just want that custard 803 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 3: so bad. 804 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: It must be a pretty good custard though, if you 805 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: think about it. 806 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it didn't make like big national news proba 807 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 3: because it's not a chain. 808 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's part of it. 809 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: Plus they also did a better job spinning the pr 810 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: than Wendy's did. Sure, I'm betting well. Thanks a lot, 811 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: Ethan for letting us know, just kind of bringing that home. 812 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,959 Speaker 1: Hadn't really envisioned the place where that finger was found 813 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: in the custard until now, so thanks for that. If 814 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with us and kind 815 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,240 Speaker 1: of paint a more illustrative picture than we did about 816 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 1: something we talked about, we love that. You can join 817 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: us on stuff youshould know dot com check out all 818 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: of our links there, or you can send us an 819 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: email to stuff podcast at HowStuffWorks dot com. 820 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. 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