1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: I. I didn't know about reproductive justice. I didn't know 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: that we were dying. I didn't know about the incredible 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: mortality rates in this country, the rates that incredibly high 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: rates of c section in this country. I didn't I 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: didn't know all of those things, and I just I 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: didn't know what had happened. And I didn't even know 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: it was bad. I knew nothing. It was just survival. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: And you know, when we left that hospital, we left 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. So I was like, 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: we have to get out of here. They're never gonna 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: let us leave and they're going to keep doing things 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: to us, and we have to learn. So that was 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Tatiana Ali sharing her experience as a black mother and 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: how frightening it was. We get into all of that 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: and more on this edition of Naked. Every Champion and 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: Carry Champion is to be a champion of Champion and 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: carry Champion and carry Champion. The Champion and Carry Champion 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: and Carry Champion rais raiders and sports and entertaining cannaked 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: weird in the world. 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They carry champion and carry champion. 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Raiders fraid of sports and entertaining get naked. Thank you 30 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: guys for fast forwarding through the commercials and listening. Um, 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: let me keep you all some updates. Personally, I might've 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: been on a world tour. I told you I've been traveling. 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: I have been living my best life that I deserve 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: and I am treating myself to that. But but it's 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: back to work now. Summer's just about over. And I 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: noticed as I was recording with today's guests, which is 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: Tatiana Ali. A lot of us know her from Fresh 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: Prince of bel Air. Beautiful lady, beautiful young actress, just 39 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: just smart and every aspect and extremely aware of what's 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: going on in the world. She dropped so many nuggets 41 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: today which we will appreciate in need. Now. I know 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: many of you will be asking, did you ask her 43 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: about the slap and and Will Smith? I did not. 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: We did touch on Will but it's appropo that I 45 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: happened to be talking to you all today and recording 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: her episode and releasing her episode because Will Smith, after 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: hiding for about three months after the oscars, came out 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: with some form of apology. Maybe it's been more than 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: three months, who knows, God, it's all a blur, right. 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: He comes out with the form of an apology, if 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: you will, and he is answering questions. And you may 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: have seen this already on his I g that his 53 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: fans and people in general just want to know. Why 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: didn't you apologize to Chris Rock and your acceptance speech 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: just moments later after just before you had slapped him too. 56 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: Did Jada tell you, which is crazy, don't I don't 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: even let me get into that. Did Jada tell you 58 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: to do something? And he answers these questions to me 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: very honestly, No, Jada didn't say anything. You also cold 60 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: blooded stay blaming a black woman. Two, he didn't apologize 61 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: to Chris because he said he was in a fog 62 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: and he is working currently on making sure that he 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: heals himself right, works on healing, but more importantly, that 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: he doesn't think of himself as a piece of because 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: those are his words, not mine, because he does, and 66 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: he's it's he's having a hard time liking himself. Now, 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: that is heavy. If anybody is listening to this podcast 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: has done anything with therapy, um and maybe perhaps you 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: are smart enough to stay away from people who don't 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: like themselves. And I'm sharing something very personal. You know, 71 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: I've been in a relationship with someone who didn't like 72 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: themselves and that's a horrible place to be because you 73 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: take a lot of the blame because they can't find 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: out what it is about themselves. So what Will is 75 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: saying that is that he had so much going on. 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: His true trauma is making sure or his true trauma 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: rather is letting people down, which is why he doesn't 78 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: like himself because he thinks he's consistently letting people down 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: in his life that he loves. That sucks. I'm not 80 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: advocating for him. I'm not saying what he did was right. 81 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is he is being very honest with 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: the world. And that sucks because if I had to 83 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: stand in front of folks and tell you all what 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: was really going on in my heart, that would be 85 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: hard to do. But we feel that now because he 86 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: brought all that drama to us, right or even if 87 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: you want to get back into the relationship Will and Jada, 88 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: they brought that to us. Whether they wanted to or not, 89 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: it all came to light. And with that being said, 90 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: I believe when things come to light, it's for a reason. 91 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: It's so that it can have no more power, so 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: that these secrets can't hold one of these folks no more, 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: myself included. So when it comes to light may feel awful, 94 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: but it's really truly a blessing, all right. So with 95 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: that being said, our guest today Tatiana Ali. You guys 96 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: know her from the Fresh Prince of bel A or see. 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: That was the connection, which is why I was talking 98 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: about Will. She is has always been to me a 99 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: role model of someone who started in the business really young, 100 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean working with some heavyweights. Listen to her talk 101 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: about the heavyweights that she did Broadway plays with, and 102 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: she was really unaware of the room she was in. 103 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Her parents kept her real normal. They spanked her. She 104 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: couldn't get up and move how she wanted to. They 105 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: did all the things that you do to kids who 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: are quote unquote famous or not famous, rather because you're 107 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: just a regular kid. And she said she was really 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: grateful that her parents treated her as if she was 109 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: just a regular kid. She went to Harvard Um. She 110 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: now works in a very to me. Her real work 111 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: has been working with black mothers advocating for their voice 112 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: races when they give birth. We've heard that black women 113 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: die at a disproportionate rate than other women, specifically white women, 114 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to childbirth. That is because their needs 115 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: are special, and their needs are different, and you cannot 116 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: paint everyone with a broad stroke, and because there's been 117 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: so much or so little rather research on Black women 118 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: in pregnancy, because we're not centrally advocated for in this society. 119 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: We see these women die, and Tatiana Alie famous, and 120 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: all even my girl, Allison Felix famous, and all Serena 121 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: Williams famous, and all all of these black mothers talk 122 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: about how when they were in the hospital, no one 123 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: was listening to them. They were raising their hand and saying, 124 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: this doesn't feel right. I think what you're doing is wrong, 125 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: and the doctors and the nurses and everyone around them 126 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: are ignoring them. And not only are they ignoring them, 127 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: they're being nasty to them. So Tatiana Ali talks about 128 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: this and now that has been her work. We get 129 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: into her lifestyle, obviously her back round, but I want 130 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: you guys to pay special attention to what she talks about. 131 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: When she was in the hospital and she was fighting 132 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: for her life and her child's life, but she was 133 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: being ignored, and how her story is so common. It's 134 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: not uncommon, it's common. And if you haven't given birth 135 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: before you're sitting in the hospital, you're like, well, I 136 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: guess this is what you're doing right, this is this 137 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: is normal. She really thought what they did to her 138 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: was normal, and it was not. I can't I can't 139 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: get into the particulars because she's very powerful as she 140 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: tells the story. But for me, that is the central theme, 141 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: and it is about awareness. Pay very close attention to 142 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: this for women who have had children, for women who 143 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: are expecting to have children. Perhaps if you're pregnant right 144 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: now and this is your first child, you realize that 145 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: you may have been ignored and fight for your rights 146 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: no matter what. That's the that is the central theme here. 147 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's welcome Katiana Ali to Nathan Chapion 148 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Make Care. I have been a fan forever and I've 149 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: watched you, like most people, grow up into this beautiful woman, 150 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: and there is this fascination with who you are and 151 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: what are you doing. So I believe, according to our research, 152 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: you've got in the business per se, or at least 153 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: became known to us about eighty five or six years old. 154 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: Is that is that accurate? Yeah? I think so between 155 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: I started. I started working professionally when I was four 156 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: and so yeah, that's about right. So I think you 157 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: said Sesame Sesame Street. So I think what was the 158 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: first big role that you can remember you had was 159 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: the Sesame Street. I did a lot of commercials in 160 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: those days, Sesame Street. Um, and then shortly after that 161 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: I got to be on Broadway in Fences, the Broadway 162 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: production offenses. I was the understudy for a while, and um, 163 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: then I took over the par Kaariela Miller, who preceded me. 164 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: You know, we're just kids. So she got taller and 165 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: grew up. She had done it at the Yale repertory 166 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: there and then did it on Broadway. Um, but yeah, 167 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: I got to be even the understudy years like I was, 168 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, working with James Earl Jones and August Wilson 169 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: and Lloyd Richards and Courtney b Vance, Mary Alice. It's 170 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: just the cast was amazing. And then when I was 171 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: on stage, Billy d Williams, Lynn Fig Peg Ray Arona 172 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: just an amazing just you know, that's that's where I 173 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: got my education. Um, kind of like an apprentice to 174 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: the people I was working with. Imagine, no one can, 175 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: very few of you can. You're in a You're in 176 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: a class of your own, being a child working with legends, 177 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: and whether you understood it or not, you knew there 178 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: was some reality there. They were regal, they were special, 179 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: they were set apart, and you were in this place. 180 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: How quick did you grow up? I have a eighteen 181 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: year old niece, and I guarantee that at six years old, 182 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: you had some more than she'd ever know. I in 183 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: some ways I grew up a lot, and in other 184 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: ways I remained very naive for a long time. Um, 185 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: there's you know, when you work that much as a kid, 186 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: there there are a lot of sort of regular kid 187 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: interactions that I didn't quite I was always kind of 188 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: a late bloomer with that. Um so. But but in 189 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: terms of you know, it's it's not just being around I, 190 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know, you know, Um, I didn't 191 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: know the history of these people necessarily, I was I 192 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: was too young to really understand their gravitas in that way. 193 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: But what I did know is that they went on 194 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: stage and made magic every night. And you know, I 195 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: ray now the character I played shows up at the 196 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: end of the show, and I would sit through all 197 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: the rehearsals and watch, and I would watch in one 198 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: of the balconies with my mom. I would watch the 199 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: whole show until you know, the act break and then 200 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: go back and get ready for my for that last scene. 201 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: And they just had the audience eating out of the 202 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: palm of their hands, you know, like the emotions of 203 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: the theater which just swaying back and forth, up and down, 204 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: and it was and the actors were completely in control 205 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: of that, and um that kind of magic. Seeing what 206 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: we had done the rehearsals, how things had gone wrong, 207 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: and how there was experimentation, and then seeing it, seeing 208 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: what they did. That's what made them, you know, kind 209 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: of larger than life and stars in my eyes because 210 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: they were magic makers, you know. Um. And then once 211 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: I got older than I looked back and I was like, oh, 212 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: it's probably a good thing that I didn't know that 213 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't have an awareness of that, because 214 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: you probably could have been able to do with the 215 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: naivete of not knowing who you were around definitely suited 216 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: you in your career. But you A lot of what 217 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: you do, a lot of what we all do is 218 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: emotional intelligence. And that's what I was referring to. Your 219 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: emotional I Q had to be stupendous at such a 220 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: very young age just to be around those legends, um, 221 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: and to be able to interact. It's I think it's 222 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: something we take for granted. But I ever, you know, 223 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: I wonder how did that affect you or how do 224 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: you see it affecting you for better or for worse 225 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: as an adult? I don't I don't, like I said 226 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: therapy now, Um, I don't know. I don't know if 227 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: I could really pin it down and view an intelligent answer. 228 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: I know that, you know, I'm I swim in my 229 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: own stuff like everybody does. And and oftentimes. UM, you know, 230 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: I had these wonderful experiences in my youth, and UM, 231 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I'm I'm you have 232 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: to you know, I'm just always fascinated by those Yeah, 233 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: my you know, my my parents, Um, they are immigrants. 234 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm the first generation born here and they saw I 235 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: think in me I had a gift. Luck came into 236 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: play and they went with it. But they weren't. I 237 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: still very much like remained their daughter and the oldest 238 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: of three girls. And you know, I was I was 239 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: a child. I was a precocious child and really curious. 240 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: But you know, my parents were from the Caribbean. I 241 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: was also to be really respectful and and learn, and 242 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: so the that responsibility part of it that I don't. 243 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: I know, this seems lame because I haven't lived, you know, 244 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: another childhood. But they were still growing me up like 245 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: they were. My parents didn't stop raising me. I wasn't 246 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: like thrown into this environment. And you had a very 247 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like a normal home life, right, you felt 248 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: like you came home, you came home. Yeah, you weren't 249 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: in control of your family. Yeah, and I and I 250 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: and even you know, working with with the people I 251 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: worked with. Was I interacting with them some you know, 252 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I remember them teaching you know, different people backstage, teaching 253 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: me how to play like chess and and and different 254 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,359 Speaker 1: games and stuff like that. But I wasn't really interacting 255 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: with them the way they were interacting with each other. 256 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: I was still a kid. And you know I called 257 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: Lord Richards Mr Richards, and you know, I um, I 258 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: was in school, you know, And and my mom was 259 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: always right there, or my dad or one of my aunts. 260 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: I was always um. That's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting because 261 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: even in the world that I that I that I'm 262 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: very familiar with in sports, I watched when these kids 263 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: are set apart at a very young age, they then 264 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: become the adults in a lot of ways. Like when 265 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: I worked in tennis, you know, kids who were fifteen 266 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: and sixteen years old paid the bills until the roles reversed. 267 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: There was no parenting, there was there's this partnership that 268 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: was interesting to me. So it sounds like that's what 269 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: your family still gave you. So then you get this 270 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: my big ship. Yeah. They were like, you know, you 271 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: don't get to no my and my and my faver here. 272 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: Yea though, and we lived the same way. Our life 273 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: didn't change, um and God bless them. My parents, UM 274 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: were very conscientious with my money and it was like 275 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: that's for college and that saved over there. But this 276 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: is this life here, so that part of it didn't 277 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: have an effect on our family life. I love it. 278 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. If it can be done, 279 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, you can see that it can be done. 280 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: And by the let's say it again, I say it again. Yeah, 281 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: it could have been more fun, but you know, but 282 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: it does speak to who you are today, right, It 283 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: speaks to how you If you did some comparing, you know, 284 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: and I'm not judging, but if you did, you'd be 285 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: like makes sense. Um, you get this huge role fresh 286 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Prince of bel Air mhm, and I would think life 287 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: would change. Tell me about when you knew you were 288 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: America's darling, the most loved you could date. All the 289 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: boys they loved you. We all loved you, All the 290 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: girls wanted to be you. What was that experience? Like, girl, 291 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know that you are you kidding me? You 292 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: didn't You didn't realize that everybody wanted to take you 293 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: to prom and dances and you were like you had 294 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: no concept. No, I went, I I was tutored on set, 295 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: and like you know, I, um, I definitely had friends, 296 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, outside of work, but um, I didn't. I 297 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of that. And then you know, sometimes 298 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: that kind of sexualization that happens with girls like I didn't. 299 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily comfortable with it. So I didn't like 300 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: to that at all, you know, because it comes at you, 301 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: especially you know once once you kind of blosso him 302 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: into your teenage should it. It comes at you in 303 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: the material, you know, in the very scripts and the 304 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: episodes and the things that you're being offered and whatever, 305 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: and it comes at you from a lot of different ways. 306 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: And I don't think I was like my antenna wasn't 307 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: up for it. I think on purpose. I think I 308 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: was like protecting myself from that um But it's one 309 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: of those things where I look back and I was like, man, 310 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: I wish I had no because I was, like I said, 311 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: I would have more fun, like I would have you know, 312 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: more like listen, listen, I listen. I wish somebody would 313 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: have told me ten years before I wouldn't I would 314 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: have had I'm right there with you. I'm like, uh, 315 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: you mean to tell me this could have been my life? 316 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: But you know, I think about that now even you know, 317 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: like going on vacation and am I gonna I need 318 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: to wear this one piece? So no, I'm gonna work. 319 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: No I can't because and I have to think. I'm like, no, 320 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: ten years from now, twenty years from now. But what 321 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: was she thinking? Why did she lead into it? Yeah? 322 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm leaning all the way in down my friend. Thank 323 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: you for that advice. That is a Ted talk brought 324 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: to you from Ali guys. Um lean in to the sexuality. 325 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: So I have to ask, I have to ask you 326 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: what was it like working with the now? You know, 327 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: as we know, superstar movie star Will Smith. Amazing, amazing. 328 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: We had so much fun. I mean yeah, well people 329 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: know now, I mean we we you know, we've shared 330 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: that kind of camaraderie with everyone over the years. But um, 331 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: like we laughed till we cried every single day, almost 332 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: every single day. I mean actual tears running down people's 333 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: faces because we were just we were playing, we were 334 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: um vibing off of one another. Um. Will has always 335 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: had this kind of he he has this kind of 336 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: like larger than life kind of like superhero energy and 337 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and when he walks in the room like he really 338 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: makes people feel good and and he's always had that. 339 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: So it was it was fun and yeah, yeah, and 340 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: and right you know, rightfully, so it was. It was 341 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: very freeing. We ad libbed all the time. We did 342 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: things that sitcoms and you know that you're not always 343 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: able to do, are allowed to do. It was a 344 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: really magical um six years. Do you think, and of 345 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: course I'm I'm asking you to be a psychologist, that 346 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: that was the most magical time of his career. I 347 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: would have to think for even going on to be 348 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: a movie star, you going on to live your life 349 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: and do all the things that you've done. When you 350 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: think about a show like Fresh Prince of bel Air, 351 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: it is Americana, it is a part of the culture. 352 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: It would be a Jeopardy question, you know what I mean. 353 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: And when you're in it, you don't know. Much like 354 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: The Cosby Show, much like all these shows that have 355 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: really changed generations and generations that could have lived and 356 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: still do in some cases in perpetuity. Do you look 357 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: back and think, Wow, that probably was the most magical 358 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: time of his career. I don't know. I mean I 359 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: can't say that. I can say that, Um, it was magic. 360 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: I mean it was pure magic. There's something that and 361 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: even though you don't know the posterity of things, you 362 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: know how they're going to live on and that's nobody's business, 363 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: like who knows that? But you can feel when something's 364 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: really special. And I think we all felt that there 365 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: was something about. From the cameraman to the boom operators 366 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: to our directors, there was just this and the cast 367 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: this jelling that we were able to do. Um it 368 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 1: was not forced, it was just it just happened, you know, 369 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: the frequencies, the vibes, the energy whatever, like it all 370 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of aligned in that moment. I remember thinking watching 371 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: that how happy it made me, how everyone felt so happy. 372 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: We don't have TV like that anymore, like if I 373 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: believe it or not. I talked to Jody Sweeten before 374 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: the push down with the cops during ro versus Wade, 375 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: and I was saying, like, full house, you know, t 376 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: G I f tune in the songs. I mean, where's 377 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: our theme song? Do you take the good to take 378 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: the bedge? Take them about? I'm major myself, right, but 379 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: where are they? And we don't have that like that. 380 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: To me, it's something that is missing dearly. It took 381 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: away our innocence, your thoughts. I think that's true. I 382 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: think we don't have that and I don't know. You know, Um, 383 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly why that is. But there is 384 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: something as a as um a trinidaddy, and there's something 385 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: about people coming together and singing songs and you know 386 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: kind of like this sort of this sort of national 387 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: or even international awareness of the same stories that unifies us, 388 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: that kind of links us. We can like you saying 389 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: that song, and that brought me to places you know, 390 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: my child feel like yes, um, the roller skates, Um, Yes, 391 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't I yeah, I don't know. I don't know 392 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: why that is. I don't know why it's um, I 393 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I get it. 394 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: I look, I've asked, I asked this question of people 395 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: all the time, and I'm like, I do believe we're 396 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: missing something. I really truly do. Just from that generation, 397 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: that era, it really brought a lot culturally, but even 398 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: collectively as as a whole. It was beautiful for us 399 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: as a society. But you know, also everyone feels that way, 400 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: like somebody right now It's like I remember leaving to 401 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: beaver Was when you know, Like, so, I I mean 402 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: I can write someone saying that right now about a 403 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: show that we I don't. I mean leave it to 404 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: beaver Away before a time, But um, you mentioned being Trinidadian. 405 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm very curious about this Caribbean talk to 406 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: me about something I wouldn't know because I'm not Caribbean, 407 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: Like what is the And I only asked you because 408 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: I have very many people from the Caribbean in my life, 409 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: Like my makeup artist was here's now she's standing and 410 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: me like, say what you're saying? What you're about to say? 411 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: You hear the record, She's like, I dare you what 412 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: you're about to say, because you're gonna get it. We're like, 413 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: so clearly one of the things with career is you 414 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: guys speak your mind. You're not afraid to have opinions. 415 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: Got it? This is true? But what else? What else 416 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: is there that I would not know? Specifically being from Trinidad? 417 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: What else is there that you would not know? Like, 418 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: what is something only your mother would do or only 419 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: your mom and dad do that? And if you're from 420 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: you're from Trinidad you're like, oh, yeah, no, you must 421 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: be Trinidad. Well, my mother is from is from Panama. 422 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: But her but her family, you know, the lineages is 423 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: from the Caribbean to Panama to work on the canal Barbados. 424 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: Um and um, what is you know? I tell you, 425 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: what's your what's your makeup? Gar's name to sit here 426 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: in the corner. She's from Ja. Okay, you tell me this. 427 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of us have like gardens, gardens. Yeah, 428 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: you have gardens. She's growing bezel but yeah behind her garden. Yeah, 429 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: so do you have a garden. Yes, I grew up 430 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: with the garden. Like we grow, like, we grow a 431 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: lot of our own food, even if like, and it 432 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're in the city, if you have 433 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: an apartment, if you whateveration is like, it's just something 434 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: I grew up with. And I know I have to 435 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: pass on to my kids that like food comes from 436 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: the ground, not just ground, but that food comes from 437 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 1: the ground, and I want them to be in it 438 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: and to know it and to you know, Um, they're toddlers, 439 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: don't always eat it. But that's that's one that's kind 440 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: of simple, but that is fascinating that's actually very fascinating. Yeah, 441 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, so what do you have in your 442 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: garden right now? I have a pepper plan, I have 443 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: charred I have lots of herbs. I have my my 444 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: baby's like sweet potatoes, and so they kind of sprouted 445 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: because I didn't use them too soon too right away. 446 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: So that's gone in the ground. But it's a beautiful plan. 447 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna get out of it, um, 448 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's something that they're pictures of me as 449 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: a kid with like giant zucchini's that came from our backyard, 450 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: and like that's really you know, I don't know. I 451 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: have to have plants in my house. I have, you know, um, 452 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: Tony just too. Tony always at the plants in her house. 453 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: She given me plant advice every five seconds where to 454 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: go about my plants. I'm like, okay, doctor plant, Yeah, okay, 455 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: so I give it a small thing. But given where 456 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: we are now and how people are moving towards, you know, 457 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: sustaining ourselves and eating healthy and yeah, but that's something 458 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: that you know, it's amazing how much we actually do 459 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: do do. I'll be back in just a few moments 460 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: with more from Tatiana Ali. Every champion and carevery chappion 461 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: is to be a champion, a champion and carry chappion 462 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: and carry chapion. A champion and carry chappion and carry 463 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: chappion rates and sports, and then the same making naked work. 464 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion, 465 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: a champion, they carry champion, the champion, they carry champion 466 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: and carry champion sports and the tame aken naked war. Hey, everybody, 467 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: thank you for fast forwarding through commercials. At least I 468 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: hope you did. Sorry sponsors, I joke kinda uh. Here 469 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: is more with Tatiana Ali. You've mentioned your kids and 470 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: I um again stalking you on the Graham and you 471 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: were very very vocal. I don't know about black maternal 472 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: how health and taking care of black mothers um and 473 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: you shared a story that was that was pretty shocking 474 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: to me because I'm under the impression if you're recognizable, 475 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: they won't be so bold. But time and time again 476 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: I hear that. Serena William shared her story, my friend 477 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: Alison Felix shared her story. These are world class athletes 478 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: who have access and means, who talked about how they 479 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: had to demand their rights as they were giving birth. 480 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: Tell us your story if you don't mind. So I 481 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: had a very very very healthy, very healthy pregnancy, like 482 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: almost a boring pregnancy in that sense, you know. And 483 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: I was seeing sort of a traditional O. B. G. 484 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: Y n UM who wasn't in attendance at my actual birth, 485 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: which happens a lot that continuity often missing and um. 486 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: But then literally the moment we walked into the hospital, 487 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: everything all the health and all the well being just 488 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: went out the window. And my birth plan, our birth plan, 489 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: was not followed. I was coerced. And and you know, coercion, 490 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: what does that mean in this context? It often means 491 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: when you're in the throes of labor, being asked again 492 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: and again and again and again and again and again 493 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: if you want, you know, interventions that you don't need 494 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: and that aren't in your birth plan. So for me, 495 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: that was the epidural. I was asked a million times 496 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: if I wanted to have an epidural until finally I relented, 497 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: and you know, because they made it sound like this 498 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: is what you mean, and this is what and uh, 499 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: it was just my my birth room became an absolute 500 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: circus um. Actually a woman in Texas recently sued for this. 501 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even think that, you know, I could do that. 502 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: I was going through so much of my own stuff. 503 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: But um, they actually pushed him back inside me. He 504 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: was crowned for many hours and and we why did 505 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: they do that? That's a good question. There was a 506 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: doctor who put his forearms on top of me and 507 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: was and stood up onto my bed and was like 508 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: squeezing down on my stomach, almost like I was a 509 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: bottle of toothpaste. And we ended up I ended up 510 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: having an emergency c section, and my son ended up 511 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: being in the Nike You, a very perfectly healthy baby 512 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: in ended up being in the Nike You for four days. 513 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: And the the head doctors at that at the Nick 514 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, um said that his his kind of his 515 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: complications were a result of the traumatic nature of his birth. 516 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: So I went through a year or two. I'm so 517 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: did my husband of just being I mean, if I 518 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: remember when we got home, we were just you know, 519 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: the the trauma that we had experienced. We didn't even 520 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: know what to do with it. I didn't I didn't 521 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: know at that time. I didn't know about reproductive justice. 522 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that we were dying. I didn't know 523 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: about the incredible mortality rates in this country, the rates 524 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: that incredibly high rates of c section in this country. 525 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know all of those things. And 526 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: I just I thought. I didn't even cry. I did. 527 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know what had happened, and I 528 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: didn't even know it was bad. I knew nothing. It 529 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: was just survival. And you know, when we left that hospital, 530 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: we left in the middle of the night. It was 531 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: the middle of the night because I was like, to 532 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: get out of here. They're never gonna let us leave, 533 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: and they're going to keep doing things to us, and 534 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: we have to leave. And my husband, he's a professor, 535 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know what that language. He's an English 536 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: pure and he spoke it was English, but all my 537 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: words were four letters, and he said something that sounded 538 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: like gobbledygot and somehow got us out of there. And 539 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: it was over time, you know, working with a nursing 540 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: consultant who asked, well, what happened to that? And when 541 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: I saw the look on her face, I realized, oh 542 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: my god, this was really bad. It and and even 543 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: still a year or so later, no to two and 544 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: three years later, I was invited by Black Mama's Matter 545 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: Alliance to talk about my nursing experience because I had 546 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: been um open about that on my Instagram. And while 547 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: I was there, I was in a room of you know, 548 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: black midwives and doulah's and three hundred or so um 549 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: really people at the forefront of this of this movement, 550 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: and I realized I was I was, actually I was. 551 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: I was two months pregnant, and I was terrified. I 552 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: didn't know what I was gonna do because I didn't 553 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 1: want to go to the hospital. I didn't want that again. 554 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: And I realized I was in the room with the 555 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: people who had the answers, and then that's when my 556 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: education began, and that's when my healing began. And that's 557 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: when I started to talk about it, and then I wrote. 558 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: I wrote an opth ed that I gave to Essence 559 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: and asked them to put out um because you know, 560 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: what we don't know in this case can kill us. 561 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: How Also, though the answers are out there, like there 562 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: are people doing this work, there are ways, but there 563 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: are ways to receive respectful care. There are ways, and 564 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: there are people and and so it's changed my whole 565 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: life like I went from being completely traumatized to really 566 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: be coming radicalized and almost finding my tribe in this 567 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: in this movement. And I've always had a political social 568 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: justice kind of bent to me, and this just rip 569 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: the the bars off the cage for me personally, because 570 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: it's really where so much of the is ms collide. 571 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: You know, when you think about oppression, when you think 572 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: about what it means to oppress a group of people, 573 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: and what what the methodology is in that, what could 574 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: you know birth, how a child comes into this world, 575 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: the connection with the mother and the father for the 576 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: or the birthing person or I should say, and the 577 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, birthing people. It's been going on for a 578 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: very long time. I mean, this is this is these 579 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: are these are these are methods and ways of treating 580 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: us that have that are have existed during slavery and 581 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: have kind of morphed and much like the criminal justice system, 582 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: they've kind of morphed and taken on different names and 583 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: forms over time. But yeah, that's what this is. And 584 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: and you know they'll they almost kill me, and what 585 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: maybe and and and I just I don't want anybody 586 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: to experience what I experience, or at worst, you know, 587 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: lose more mothers. Mhm wow. Wow. Allison said the same thing, 588 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: how she was going to die. Yeah, and I'm gonna 589 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: and I'll say something about this that that's that's really 590 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: important for people to understand. It's it's Indigenous women also 591 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: have very similar Indigenous birthing people have very similar rates 592 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: and experiences as well. When you are in your hospital, 593 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: when you're in that gown, none of this you you're 594 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: a black woman and you're just a black woman going 595 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: through labor. They don't. I don't care who you are. 596 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: You just another black Who are you? Who are you? 597 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: And to be honest, and to be honest, who should 598 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: I be? Who do I? Yeah, you don't need to 599 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: be anybody should be anybody treatment exactly exactly exactly. Well, 600 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: but that's the way, that's the way things are. And 601 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: not in just in this country, but very much so 602 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: in this country where it's like, oh, well I can 603 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: buy well, yeah, better treatment, you know, or I can 604 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: buy my freedom, I can buy equality. Na NASA, that's 605 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: a West Indian NASA can't. It doesn't work. No, it doesn't, 606 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: not not at that not at the most important pivotal 607 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: moments in our lives. Juncture in our lives. You know, 608 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: when my teenage sons decide when they're teenagers and they 609 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: want to hang out with their friends, it's not that's 610 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: not that you don't buy it. That's not those you 611 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: can't buy it. Then you said, this is where all 612 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: the isms collide during childbirth for black women, all the 613 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: isms collide there, and that is real. So you take 614 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: this traumatizing. As you said, you go from traumatized to radicalized. 615 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: But I think it's important to mention that you didn't 616 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: want to see anything because you thought it was normal. 617 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: And I feel like this is why we're just now 618 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: becoming more aware of it because either we don't know 619 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: because we don't know, or maybe we think because they 620 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: have a title that caused them a doctor. Um. Usually 621 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: it takes someone that is a leader in their own 622 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: right to say this, to feel this and be like 623 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: now that that don't feel right. You know my Caribbeans 624 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: feeling because again I said, y'all have opinions, so I 625 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: think you would you would say something. Um, I would 626 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: say something, Serena would say something. Allison said she didn't 627 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: say anything. She was like, this doesn't feel right, and 628 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: she is someone who would say something, She's like, what's 629 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: something's off? So imagine being in the most vulnerable space 630 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: in your entire life, giving birth and you feel like 631 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: something's wrong, but they're telling you everything is right. It 632 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: makes you think you crazy. You also have to you know, 633 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: I think about that, and there were things leading up. 634 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: They were I had red flags in my care throughout 635 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: my pregnancy. Things I didn't like, things that were said 636 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: that I was like what, Or things that I'm saying 637 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: that are not being taken seriously or being laughed off. 638 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: I had those. But when I think about it, you 639 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: know what, that's how I walk in this world. People 640 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: are always used you that I don't like saying treating 641 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: me a certain way, saying things this way, saying things 642 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: that way. And what do I do? I do what 643 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: I do and I move right through them about him 644 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: put that where it needs to go, and I'm moving on. 645 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: But the thing is is that you know, in birth 646 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: it's something different. You really have to be precious. You 647 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: cannot let those things go. You really have to be 648 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: precious about your care and and to be on any precious, 649 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: that little feeling, that little thing you know, especially in 650 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: your motherhood journey, that is the thing that gets little 651 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: like crazy because you're but you need to take care 652 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: of these children. So it's it's lit up and you 653 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: need to listen all those little things that we usually 654 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: can slough off and let me get through my job. 655 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: Let me finish this day. I'm gonna get my promotion. 656 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: I don't care about what these people are saying. I 657 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: know how they know that that's not okay. In this situation, 658 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: we have to be precious with ourselves. You're talking about accountability, 659 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: You're you're talking about accountability right now. We have to 660 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: be we have to be held accountable for our behavior too, right. 661 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: We can't just ignore it. Well, yeah, I'm not putting 662 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 1: blame on us, but I'm saying, pay attention to it, 663 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, attention to it um and 664 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: and also but just try, you know, seek spaces that 665 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: are safe. And I think you know a lot of 666 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: us might still think that. Oh you know, I don't 667 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: know if I trust a black doctor, trust to a midwife, 668 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: or trust a black I mean, I don't know. I 669 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: don't know how people are right, You're right, you don't 670 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: do You're speaking a real spit right now. That is true. 671 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: We'll be on our I don't know about this black doctor. 672 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: But but check, like you're saying, check all those things. 673 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: Be accountable to yourself and uh. But at the same time, 674 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have to be in a defensive posture. We 675 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: should be able to get the care we deserve. Um, 676 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: but really seek those those safe spaces, those safe uh. 677 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: I and I don't even get my reproductive care from 678 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: anything anyone outside of the sort of reproductive justice space. 679 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: You know that. I just don't and I don't want 680 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: anybody touching me. But but black women and black people. 681 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: And that's just how I roll right now. I mean 682 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: that's you know, I just then not even but and 683 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: and also not just anybody. You have to speak that language. 684 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: I'll come I come in and I say birthing people, yeah, 685 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: and I stay reproductive and what and if and I 686 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: can see it in with a glint in your eyes. 687 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: If that's annoying to you, goodbye, you know I I 688 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: you have to be up on what's happening. He just 689 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: gave me a whole education right now, a true education, 690 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: like I think in it's it's interesting to hear you 691 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: talk about it because we don't talk about it enough. 692 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: We do, but we don't. I'm hearing more and more 693 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: because I'm aware, but I don't feel like it has 694 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: the attention that it deserves. You know what I found 695 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: out when I started, when I wrote that up and 696 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: I started, you know, I was been asked to speak 697 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: in different spaces and stuff like that. I I found 698 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: out that there's a history of obstetric violence in my 699 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: family at telling me stories. My mom's telling me a story. 700 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: Tells and no, but he thought to tell me their story. 701 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't think I'm the only one. 702 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: I think that there's we have a culture of you know, 703 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: those are private things, and they are private. Okay, they 704 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: are private, but we are being hurt and so we 705 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: need there needs to be a creation of space where 706 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: we can share our experiences and learn from each other's wisdom, 707 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 1: learn from our grandmothers, our mothers, our aunties, the women 708 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: that live next door to us. We don't share this 709 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: information and we all have it. I just found that 710 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: Sofa and I and my family is so close. We 711 00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: talk about so much, but that is something that everybody 712 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: keeps in themselves heavy and explain so much. I was 713 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: having this conversation with somebody about what we learn as 714 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: kids and how does that affect us as adults? And 715 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: that is one of the things, Like we keep secrets, 716 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: and secrets have so much power. So if we don't 717 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: start taking the power away from the secret, um, we 718 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: can't help ourselves. This is UM a beautiful, a beautiful 719 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: way to in other in other words, find another passion 720 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: outside of acting UM, because you are passionate and you 721 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: are activated and radicalized. Are you um working on any 722 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: other projects as well, outside of the realm of making 723 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: sure we save our black women, which is not a 724 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: small task. Yeah, I've been for the last a few years. 725 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: I've been working on a film. It's in development right 726 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: now with an amazing company. But really kind of with 727 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: the film really is for us to give us the 728 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: remedy to kind of hash that out. And so I'm 729 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: working on that and I'm writing a bit. I've written 730 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: a screenplay and I'm really enjoying writing. And yeah, and 731 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: I guess that's and saving lives and being a mom 732 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: and being a wife. I mean, it doesn't like you're busy. 733 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: You've got a lot going on. You don't need to 734 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: go down a list that's that's a lot in itself. 735 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 1: I got two boys, got a husband, write a script 736 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: bringing on it saving black women. I guess that's it. 737 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: Nothing else. I mean, I'll just pick up something else. 738 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: In the meantime. We are crazy, We've done we always 739 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: what else can be done? Enough? We're done? Oh no, 740 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: Tati and Ali you are. You really are a treasure, 741 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: and it is it is. It's beautiful and refreshing to 742 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: to to see the woman you've become. But no, no 743 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: surprise there. You are highly educated that that that means much. 744 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: But anybody getting Harvard you know it's not. It's not. 745 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: It didn't happen every day. Um, So no surprise on 746 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: my end, but it is. It's surprising to to see 747 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: that you've been able to be so grounded in the 748 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: world that sometimes doesn't allow us to do that. So 749 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate all that you're doing for the culture. I 750 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 1: really do. Oh, thank you, thank you. You're like, let's 751 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: do you know, let me give you my phone number. 752 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: We can do this over wine or if you don't 753 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: drink wine, you have water. I'm have my wine. We 754 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: can do this. You're like honey therapy. This is a 755 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: wonderful show and platform, and I really love what you're doing. 756 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 1: I think it's really cool, So thank you for inviting, inviting, inviting. Okay, 757 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: you've been made aware. Now that you know, or at 758 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: least now that you've been made aware, make sure you 759 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: share that story with with people you know. I know 760 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: I have a lot of male listeners right because you 761 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: love the sports. But look out for your mothers and 762 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: your sisters and your wives and your girlfriends and the 763 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: people in your life that you care about that are women, 764 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: Black women more specifically getting ready to have birth or 765 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: thinking about becoming a mother. Always advocate for yourself. And 766 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: then outside of that, I'll circle it back to our 767 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: guy Will Smith. Tatiana Alie is always going to be professional, 768 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: which I appreciate, and I didn't think it was the 769 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: right time to be like, what do you think about 770 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: the slab because it had been so long ago and 771 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: we hadn't heard from Will. And I also thought in 772 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: my mind, I was like, I've heard people say he's, 773 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: you know, in Dubai rehabbing, meaning he's just trying to 774 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: sit and think and be on his own and trying 775 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: to figure this out and surround himself with help. So 776 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: I felt like it was best to let this man 777 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: try to heal. Let this man try to heal, whatever 778 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: that looks like for him. It's interesting because I was 779 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: just asked, do you ever think people will accept will? 780 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 1: And I gotta keep it about I think there will 781 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: be his core, his core folks that forgive him. Will 782 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: he ever be viewed the same? No, what he was 783 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: before this lap and after this lap will always be 784 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: two different people. How that affects his legacy, only time 785 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: will tell. Thank you all for listening to Naked. I'll 786 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 1: see y'all next week. Bye,