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Speaker 1: And it turns out his neighbors say he's a complete

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Speaker 1: local zoo can't do it. So we saw a story

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Speaker 1: that caught our attention because these types of personalities, and

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Speaker 1: story from KHOU.

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Speaker 2: Inside this Houston storefront, It's a walk on the wild side.

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Speaker 3: This is Houston underground Animals.

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Speaker 2: Nick Louis independently funded rescue takes in.

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Speaker 1: Did he Is he making those noises himself.

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Speaker 3: Or is that the.

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Speaker 1: Ah he's on the line. That's him doing it one

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a real deal or not.

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Speaker 1: That's cood impressive, all right?

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Speaker 2: Play the story again, remot Inside this Houston storefront, It's

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Speaker 2: a walk on the wild side.

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Speaker 3: This is Houston Underground Animals.

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Speaker 2: Nick louis independently funded rescue takes in creatures of all

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Speaker 5: Some of them are twenty thirty foot snakes. We get

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Speaker 2: And more common reptiles bearded dragons. But just like the

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Speaker 5: We typically rescue five, maybe ten animals a month. Then, ever,

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Speaker 5: since about November of last year, we average anywhere from

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Speaker 2: A problem, he says, that's exploded in the last six months,

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Speaker 5: The new toy kind of thing wears off, and then

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Speaker 2: Which can require more time.

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Speaker 5: Bugs three days a week, doubt salads three days a week,

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Speaker 5: research two different types of light.

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Speaker 3: They need heat, and they need UVB room. This cage

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Speaker 2: Foot and resources to wants to.

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Speaker 5: Go in and spend seven hundred dollars when you could

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Speaker 5: spend three hundred doll quote unquote the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Then some new owners are willing to commit to.

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Speaker 5: There's no one to take them in, so they will

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Speaker 5: literally take them and put them outside.

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Speaker 2: It's illegal to own animals like lions, tigers, crocodiles, monkeys

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Speaker 2: over twenty pounds, and snakes over eight feet long that

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Speaker 2: those pets that just aren't as common as dogs or

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Speaker 2: cats can require weekly care and live for decades. Louis

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Speaker 2: says people need to know before they buy these animals.

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Speaker 3: They rely on you entirely.

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Speaker 2: Zach Tawatari Cage who you eleven News, Nick Louie.

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Speaker 1: The subject of that story is our guest, Nick, how

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Speaker 1: did you get into these exotics?

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Speaker 6: So I've I've just had a fascination with animals my

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Speaker 1: Me, Nick, I think it would add to the listener's

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Speaker 2: I'm serious.

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Speaker 6: I could give it a try. Unfortunately I only speak

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Speaker 6: Man, I wish I could, but I'm not that talented.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'll tell you this. We we loved

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, So people don't realize animals have a lot

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Speaker 1: So how did you take possession of this peacock? Because

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly that. So what ended up happening was I

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Speaker 1: Wow? I gotta admire that. Okay, So your place is

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Speaker 1: called Houston Underground Animals and you're on You're at eighty

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Speaker 1: What is your facility?

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Speaker 6: So that facility doesn't carry exotics that we're inside Houston

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Speaker 6: smaller stuff, you know, sugar gliders, hedgehogs, bearded dragons, chameleons,

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Speaker 6: stuff like that, snakes. Whenever we rescue stuff like serval cats, tigers, monkeys, crocodiles,

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Speaker 1: And so what do you have right now? What do

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Speaker 6: I don't have a website, but I've got Facebook and Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Just tell me the interesting stuff that I would least expect.

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Speaker 1: Looks like you got a lot of iguana type stuff.

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Speaker 6: Uh, I don't do a lot of iguanas. That's one

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Speaker 6: It's become a legitimate disaster. They've they're now a red threat.

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Speaker 6: Iguanas are also highly aggressive, so people don't typically think

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Speaker 6: You're not worried about anyone messing with you. You know, if

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Speaker 6: how what do I care?

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Speaker 6: Look at it from the prey your whole life is

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Speaker 6: Aguanas are prey their entire lives. They're prey. Even when

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Speaker 6: you go to Almost every animal eats iguanas, but actually

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Speaker 6: a lot of people eat iguanda. Iguanatail is a delicacy

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Speaker 1: Nick Louis is our guest. How does this stuff come

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Speaker 1: to you? And and then do you sell that? I mean,

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Speaker 6: So I've been working with animals my whole life. I

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Speaker 6: When we take animals in, it's one of two things.

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Speaker 6: Rats can get out breed now you have a rat infestation.

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Speaker 6: So the other big one is apartment complexes will say hey,

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Speaker 6: So that's how a business really started out, was just

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Speaker 6: So that's when we actually opened the physical location of

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Speaker 6: to pay for rescues. When we have rescues that are

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Speaker 6: So if that's the case, we just rehelme them for

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Speaker 1: So does Houston Underground Animals actually turn a profit?

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Speaker 6: So I am the only thing that I get from

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Speaker 1: So you got a little side hustle. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: I noticed you got a lot of snakes on here.

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Speaker 1: Well, bats do that and that bat iguana The reason

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Speaker 6: We get more reptiles than anything else. Now here's one

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Speaker 1: What's a sugar glider? Is that some sort of a squirrel?

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Speaker 1: Houston, but we deal with everything animals. Fascinating story. We

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Speaker 1: Seven eighty three sixty. Well, at some point I'll be

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned a week or two ago that I had

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Speaker 1: He had bought the Lancaster Hotel, historic hotel in downtown Houston,

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Speaker 1: So a couple of saturdays ago, I got an email.

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Speaker 1: And he's the one that made this movie, that put

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Speaker 1: watch one time and then it'll shut down. So I

435
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: watch it and I get on the email almost have

436
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: sent ten more emails. I'm blown away. This is an

437
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: incredible story, this wow factor. So I sent back to

438
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: Kirby and I said, Hey, not only have I watched

439
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: it and love it, and I've learned so much, I'd

440
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: like to have you on the air. Kirby. I looked

441
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: you up and one of the things that stuck out

442
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: was Buddy Magazine. And I'm a student of music. I

443
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: know classic country much better than the blues. Although I

444
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: knew everything that this movie was about, tell me a

445
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: little bit about as I understand it, you discovered the

446
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: Vaughn brothers in their early days in small Texas bars

447
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: while you were the editor of Buddy Magazine, which was

448
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: the original Texas music magazine from nineteen seventy six to

449
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Speaker 1: eighty two. Tell me about that.

450
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 4: Well, Yes, I was working at Buddy and Buddy was

451
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 4: a Texas music magazine you could only get in Texas,

452
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 4: and this is back before the Internet and all this stuff,

453
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 4: so you had to go to a record store and

454
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 4: we had copies of them free there to people to

455
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 4: pick up. We only covered Texas music and were named

456
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 4: Buddy after Buddy Holly, the first Texas rock and roll

457
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 4: store in the polish of the magazine. The owner of

458
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: it was a guy named Stony Burns, and one night

459
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 4: he took me down to a place in downtown Dallas

460
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: back in nineteen seventy six, a place called the Texas

461
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 4: Chili Parler, and this was the original Texas Chili Partner

462
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 4: that Frank X Talbert and his son Frank Junior. They

463
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 4: cranked up and they had a band there called the

464
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 4: Peddlers Thunderbirds. And I went to Stony and I had

465
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: never seen anyone play guitar the way Jimmy Vaughan played.

466
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: He was playing with them then, and I was just

467
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 4: blown away because I played guitar back end also, but

468
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 4: the way Jimmy played it, I realized he was playing

469
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 4: an instrument that I was no longer familiar with. So

470
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 4: as we were walking out of the car, I said

471
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 4: to Stony, I said, I've never seen anyone play like that,

472
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 4: and he said, yeah, he's got a younger Burger is

473
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 4: even better than he is. And so yeah, I saw

474
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 4: Steve about two weeks later, and just I wrote about

475
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 4: that buddy all the time, because they were so different

476
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 4: than what was out at that time. They've got to remember,

477
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 4: at that time, the popular stuff was Foreigner and Journey

478
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 4: and Chief Trick, and that was what was being played

479
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: on Ephie Radio in Boston. But these two guys just

480
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 4: played a Fender strategastic guitar. They plugged it straight into

481
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: a Fender amp and didn't have any pedals effects or

482
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 4: anything like that, and they got all these incredible sounds

483
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 4: out of the guitar by using their hands, you know,

484
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 4: bending the strings and things like that. And I would

485
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 4: go see them playing these little dumpy clubs all over

486
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 4: Texas and just say to myself, why don't these guys famous,

487
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 4: you know, because I thought they could play guitar better

488
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 4: than anybody had ever seen. And I got the witness

489
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: a lot of great guitar players as a buddy. I

490
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: got to see Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Robin Trower, Nick Lonson,

491
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: I mean, you name them. When they came to Dallas,

492
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 4: we got to go to concert, and a lot of

493
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: the von brothers were as good or better than any of them.

494
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: But the thing was that they were just playing in Texas.

495
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: They did not move to LA or New York like

496
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 4: a lot of people do. They stayed in Texas and

497
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: were trying to make it there. And I just tried

498
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 4: to just plug them as much as I can because

499
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 4: I just thought they were incredible, and I learned their

500
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: entire story because they both grew up in the neighborhood

501
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: in Dallas called Oak Cliff, and I lived there for

502
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: thirty seven years and knew a lot of their craftmates

503
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: from elementary school and some of their relatives. And the

504
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 4: fact that they just came to this liberty cracker box

505
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 4: house in a working fast neighborhood and went to the

506
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 4: very top of the rock and roll heap was just

507
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 4: amazing to me. I just thought, this is an incredible story,

508
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 4: and I'd heard a lot of tales about things they

509
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: had done, and so for this film, I wanted to

510
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 4: track down all those stories and find the people who

511
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 4: were in the room when it happened and get them

512
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 4: to tell that story. On camera, and that's really kind

513
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: of the genesis of this thing. And it all started there,

514
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: and buddy, let.

515
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: Me hold you right there. Kirby Warnock is our guest.

516
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: The movie is Brothers in Blues. You can find it

517
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: wherever you watch movies, everywhere but Netflix basically, And we'll

518
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: continue our conversation about his documentary about Stevie ray Vaughn

519
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Vaughan. Coming up, You've got Michael Barry Show.

520
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: The documentary is called Brothers in Blues. It's about Stevie

521
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: ray Vaughn and Jimmy Vaughan. It's a wonderful watch. You

522
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: can see it on every platform, I think except for Netflix.

523
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: Just look up Stevie Rayvaughn, including if you don't have

524
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: any of those on YouTube. It is worth watching. And

525
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Kirby Warnock is the filmmaker who made it. I strongly

526
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: encourage you to watch it. So when you decided to

527
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: put this project together, I'd like to talk a little

528
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: bit about the making of the film before we get

529
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: into some of the things it reveals about, not just

530
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: Stevie Rayvaughn, but Jimmy Vaughn, which really gave me a

531
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: whole new perspective and respect for Jimmy Vaughn and the

532
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: love these two had for each other, and how they

533
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: inspired each other in the closeness. The book is the

534
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: movie is called Brothers in Blues. I read somewhere that

535
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: you did this project for seventy thousand dollars, and I

536
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: will tell you, reading this made me think of it

537
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: because you use so much music in the film. And

538
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, because I am an aspiring documentary maker,

539
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: haven't done it yet, been involved with several films, been

540
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: in several films, but never made a documentary and desperately

541
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: want to. And I read that you did this for

542
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars, but then you realized, oh, I have

543
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: to have music licenses, and it cost you another one

544
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars to get the music licenses.

545
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about how that seventy thousand was

546
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: spent and then how how difficult that was to get

547
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: the music licenses.

548
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: Well, the film itself was we shot it and edited

549
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 4: and had it already completed for that seventy grand and

550
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: most of our expenses were travel because we flew out

551
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: to La interviewer at Clapton. He was going to play

552
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 4: a concert at the LA Forum the next site, and

553
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: we interviewed him in a conference room at the hotel

554
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: he was staying ed and then we drove over to

555
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: Jackson Brown's studio in Santa Monica and shot his interview.

556
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: And for Billy Gibbons, we interviewed him at the Midlin

557
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: Horseshoe Arena. Zizi Toopas playing a concert that night. We

558
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 4: caught him, you know, there and talked to him. Just

559
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: really the most of my expense was hiring a camera

560
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 4: crew to come with me and shoot all this, because

561
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 4: I don't own cameras and lights and audience. You know,

562
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 4: you've got to You've got to get a professional crew

563
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: to do that. If you don't, you're just, you know,

564
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 4: you're shooting on your iPhone. So I heard a professional

565
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 4: crew that comes at these interviews with me, and a

566
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 4: lot of our expenses that then when we got to

567
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: editing it, I had to spend some money on editing software,

568
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 4: and I edited collaboratively with a guy out of LA

569
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 4: and Chase Arrington, and I got a Maam he sent

570
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: he Swartz and we did it to an app called

571
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: Adobe Creative Cloud and or Adobe Premiere and let you

572
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: work on a project collaborative with the online you can

573
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: all be looking at the same film and talk and

574
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 4: make changes there. And so that was really travel expenses

575
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: and a camera crew were my biggest expense to get

576
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 4: a shot. Then when I had it done and look

577
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: for a distributor, they said, do you have all the

578
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: music experiences? I said, we'll not get and so I

579
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: had to go get all those And what you discover

580
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: is that this is to be a confusing to people

581
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 4: today because you can listen to any song on your

582
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 4: phone through Pandora, Spotify or somebody or even YouTube, and

583
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: you don't pay them for it. But once you want

584
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: to use that song in a film or a commercial,

585
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: you have to get two sets of clearances. One is

586
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: the master rights, which the record cumpany owns, and the

587
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 4: other is the publishing rights, which the songwriting publisher owns,

588
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: And so you have to go through two rounds of

589
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: negotiations with two different entities to get that one song.

590
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: And in some cases, like the song Life by the

591
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: Drop that we used on the closing credits, that song

592
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: was written by two different people, Dora Brammall and Barbara Logan.

593
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: They were each represented by a different publishing company, so

594
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: I had to go through three rounds of negotiations just

595
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: to get that one song. And they are not giving

596
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 4: these things away anymore because you don't have to go

597
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: buy music anymore. You have to, like I said, you

598
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: listen to it free on your phone. So once you

599
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: want to use it in a production, they've kind of

600
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: got you with it. They want you and they they

601
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: they want to get the maximum they can out of you.

602
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: And that's I like it working with a heroin dealer.

603
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 6: He's got it.

604
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: You know, as you need it, he's gonna tell you

605
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: the price. So it's and I'm not the only one

606
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: to talk like that. Richard Linkletter said the same thing

607
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: when he made when he made Dazed and Confused. He

608
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: cannot get the rights to the song Dazed and Confused

609
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: from led Zeppelin, that they wouldn't give them the rights.

610
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: And so you know, if you can't get the song,

611
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: that's it. You know, you have no way to get

612
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: around it. You know.

613
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Speaker 1: It's one of those It's one of those great stories, Kirby,

614
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: when you hear about a song that was supposed to

615
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: be in a particular movie and they had kind of

616
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: built a scene around using that song as a bed

617
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: and they couldn't get the release on that song, so

618
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: they had to put another song in, and that song

619
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: ends up working, and you go, oh, I didn't know

620
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: this was a song that would have been there originally.

621
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Was there a song that you would have loved to

622
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: have had in this film Brothers in Blues about the

623
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Vaughn brothers Stevie, Ray and Jimmy that didn't make it

624
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: because you just couldn't get to an agreement.

625
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: Yes, the song I wanted to use off David Bowie's

626
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 4: album Let's Dance that Stevie played on was a song

627
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: called cat People, and that in our original cut. We

628
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 4: used that song because that was Stevie's best guitar solo

629
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 4: on the entire album. We got permission from David Bowie's

630
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: people He's recording, but the song was written by Georgio

631
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 4: Moroder and his estate he's dead now. It was a

632
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: state would not grant us the clearance on it, so

633
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: I had to pull that song from the film and

634
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: couldn't use it, you know. And also there's another one,

635
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 4: scratch My Back and the Fad. The Thunderbirds recorded the

636
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: record company game's permission. But that song was written by

637
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 4: a guy named Slim Harpo. He sold his publishing rights

638
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: decades ago to a publishing house on a New York

639
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: city and they wouldn't give it to me unless I

640
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: paid them a fortune. And I just said, I can't

641
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: do that. I'm just one guy. I'm not Steven Spielberg.

642
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: I don't have that kind of money, you know. And

643
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: so I yank those two songs from the film. And

644
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: I was really sad because I thought they added to it.

645
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: But you know, it is what it is. As the lawyers.

646
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Since you mentioned it, let's go right to that. A

647
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: Stevie Ray Vaughn story. Stevie Ray is asked by David

648
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Bowie to do the guitar piece on Let's Dance. And

649
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: this is David Bowie's comeback song and it really brings

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Speaker 1: him to a whole new audience, more of a mainstream audience.

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Speaker 1: And the guitar on that is phenomenal. And so Bowie

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Speaker 1: is going to tour, I think a European tour in

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Speaker 1: support of that album. He asks Stevie Ray to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. But Stevie Ray cannot promote his

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Speaker 1: first big solo album, which he's just released. I think

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Speaker 1: it was Double Vision. He can't promote that album. He

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Speaker 1: has to just be the guitar player to David Bowie.

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Speaker 1: And so Stevie Ray has a big decision to make,

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Speaker 1: and he makes a decision that the critics said was

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Speaker 1: the wrong one, but turns out to be the right one.

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Speaker 1: He said, well, then I won't tour with David Bowie.

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Speaker 1: I will stay here and support my Texas flood. Stevie

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Speaker 1: ray Vaughn's new album. In that album came a big hit.

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Speaker 1: Talk a little hopefully I didn't tell the whole story

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Speaker 1: and ruin it, but talk a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: story and how important that was to what is now

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Speaker 1: the legend of Stevie Rayvaughn.

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Speaker 4: Yes, actually they were rehearsing for that tour, David Bowie

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Speaker 4: and Stevie Yvaughn and the whole Bowie band. They had

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Speaker 4: rented a sound stage in Los Calenas, which was at

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Speaker 4: that time had a movie studio. It's right out of Irving, Texas,

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Speaker 4: And they were there for almost several weeks rehearsing for

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Speaker 4: the tour. And so they were all ready to go,

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Speaker 4: and then when Bowie told Stevie that he couldn't promote

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Speaker 4: Texas food. He had throwed less stands. Stevie just said,

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Speaker 4: I want to promote the albums. So he gets fired

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Speaker 4: before the tour start, after he'd rehearsed with him for

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Speaker 4: several weeks. And at that time, you know, Stevie was

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Speaker 4: heavy into drugs and alcohol, and a lot of people

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Speaker 4: thought he had made a cocaine decision, like what are

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Speaker 4: you doing. You're turning down David Bowie, you know. But

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Speaker 4: then his album came out and he just really just

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Speaker 4: took off. And so at the time most of us

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Speaker 4: thought he'd made the wrong decision, but it turned out

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Speaker 4: to be the right decision because he followed his heart

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Speaker 4: and Texas Flood was a groundbreaking album that really just

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Speaker 4: set him on that whole trail, you know, the success.

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Speaker 4: But you know, like I say, at the time, most

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Speaker 4: of us thought he had made the wrong move.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll continue our conversation with Kirby Warnock about

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Speaker 1: his documentary is called Brothers in Blues about Stevie, Ray

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Speaker 1: Vaughan and his brother Jimmy Vaughan, and it is wonderful