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Speaker 1: time Cowboys reporter, joined by Barry Church, former Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: Daniel rejoined us back in May's working on a project
Speaker 1: right now. But we're taking you now all the way
Speaker 1: up to the draft. We are less than two weeks
Speaker 1: away where the Dallas Cowboys have a tenth overall pick Church,
Speaker 1: how are we doing? Man doing great? Man doing great.
Speaker 1: It's a little bloomy outside of the day. It's a
Speaker 1: tad big gloomy kind of looks like Gotham City a
Speaker 1: little bit with this kind of drizzly rain throughout the
Speaker 1: whole day. But hey, Ron, they're on a players lounge,
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't rather be anywhere else. Let's get a
Speaker 1: cracking now, all right. I'm got to ask you a
Speaker 1: question that I asked our producer Chris being here, and
Speaker 1: is there something about this draft process for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: you're hearing that bugs you. Chris said it was that, Hey,
Speaker 1: people say trade out of ten, what's yours? The thing
Speaker 1: that bugs me is, and I told you this a
Speaker 1: long time when we first started doing this podcast, It's that,
Speaker 1: for some reason, some off the wall reason, no matter
Speaker 1: how bad we perform on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: no matter how bad it goes, there always seems to
Speaker 1: be that guy on the offensive side and the draft
Speaker 1: that is just like, oh, this is so intriguing. We
Speaker 1: can't go past this this guy. If he falls in
Speaker 1: our laps, there's no wet to take him. It happened
Speaker 1: last year with Cde Lamb, and this year coming around,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's happening with with Kyle Pitts. I mean,
Speaker 1: like we talked about last last week. I know he's
Speaker 1: an intriguing prospect. He could be, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the best all time that his position if he puts
Speaker 1: in the work on the field. But like I said
Speaker 1: last week, we got tons and tons of needs on
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: all we can talk about in the Cowboys nation is
Speaker 1: getting this Kyle Pitts or getting this offensive left tackle
Speaker 1: or something like that, and that that just kind of
Speaker 1: irks me because I'm like, man, do people still realize
Speaker 1: we need defenses to win a championship and get far
Speaker 1: in the playoffs? We need a champ or we need
Speaker 1: a defense to that that can match our offensive power,
Speaker 1: and right now we don't have it. We don't have it.
Speaker 1: We don't have death pieces on any any line of
Speaker 1: any line of defense you go along. We need death
Speaker 1: pieces on the interior line, we need it at the
Speaker 1: linebacker position, and we for sure needed in the secondaries.
Speaker 1: So for me, I just don't get all the offensive talk.
Speaker 1: But to each his own. Now, obviously, if you listen
Speaker 1: to our Dallas Cowboys podcast network, and we have so
Speaker 1: many different opinions on this, and you have some who
Speaker 1: really do want offense. But for me, as I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the draft process and looking at things that I'm
Speaker 1: seeing in the media, more and more, we're not even
Speaker 1: seeing Kyle Pitts mock to the Cowboys at tent. We're
Speaker 1: not really seeing Kyle Pitts his fall off at about six.
Speaker 1: That's about the landing spot that I'm looking for him
Speaker 1: right now. So honestly, Barry, while people can dream about
Speaker 1: a Kyle Pitts, I keep coming to this and I say,
Speaker 1: if Kyle Pitts is everything that people in the draft
Speaker 1: process are saying he is, this kid doesn't go to ten.
Speaker 1: No way he gets to ten. And the teams that
Speaker 1: are in front of the Cowboys clearly have a Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts need where they could plug him in and do
Speaker 1: just fine. Cincinnati could plug him in there and do
Speaker 1: just fine. The Miami Dolphins, their head coach, Brian Flores.
Speaker 1: Brian Flores was in New England. He was coaching linebackers
Speaker 1: for a while in New England, so he was there
Speaker 1: with Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski, and he's seen how
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has drafted tight ends highly and during his
Speaker 1: tenure there. So I could see Miami being a landing spot. Detroit.
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's a former tight end. I could see that
Speaker 1: young man landing there. Carolina is ahead of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I could see that. So there's spots where I just
Speaker 1: see Kyle Pitts being able to land before the Cowboys
Speaker 1: even get there. The Atlanta Falcons at four is a
Speaker 1: spot if you talk about what's how high could he go?
Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons in Matt Ryan. Some of Matt Ryan's
Speaker 1: best years were when he had Tony Gonzalez there, So
Speaker 1: there's that ability. If the Falcons decide that they don't
Speaker 1: want to go to take a quarterback at four, I
Speaker 1: want to stay there. So that's why I just believe
Speaker 1: when you bring up Kyle Pitts, here's my thing, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna get mad anymore about it because I don't
Speaker 1: see the guy being there, and I hope you're right, Nude,
Speaker 1: I hope you are right. I think the only one
Speaker 1: I would disagree with is Cincinnati because we all know
Speaker 1: they need help on that offensive line. They gotta get
Speaker 1: somebody to protect Joe Burrow. He took a beating, a
Speaker 1: severe beating last year, so I think they'll go to
Speaker 1: the offensive line route. But all those other teams you
Speaker 1: name are for sure candidates to go ahead and get
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, And for me, I hope it happens. I
Speaker 1: hope it happens, and I hope he's off the board
Speaker 1: before we even get to number ten. Because that intrigue
Speaker 1: that him just being there. I think it might be
Speaker 1: a little bit too much pressure for the front office
Speaker 1: up there in Dallas. They might just go ahead and
Speaker 1: snag him and say, you know what, hey, we can
Speaker 1: we can build on the strength. We can we can
Speaker 1: make our office the ninety nine rams again, we can
Speaker 1: go at it like that. So for me, I hope
Speaker 1: and he's off the board early, so we don't even
Speaker 1: get into that discussion of hey, we might be hight
Speaker 1: with Kyle Pitts. I mean we are secondary we got now.
Speaker 1: I mean, shoot, we might be able to throw Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts in there. So for me, I just hope he's
Speaker 1: off the board. I hope you are right, Knui. But
Speaker 1: if he's there at ten, man, I can see us
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger on him. I can see it happening.
Speaker 1: All right. Here's here's the dream scenario. Okay, when you
Speaker 1: talk about the draft, in my mind, the top three
Speaker 1: picks are going to be quarterbacks. All right, So we
Speaker 1: got okay, so we've got those three teams taking quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: meaning Jacksonville, the Jets, forty nine Ers Falcons start at four.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Falcons take quarterback at four, but
Speaker 1: they trade to somebody who does so four quarterbacks boom
Speaker 1: boo boo boo boo. Five Cincinnati takes Pine Seul the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I'm with you, they need to protect the investment.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Riley Reef is not the guy one out
Speaker 1: there left tackle. If I'm Cincinnati and then it's six,
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins take Kyle Pitts, and now you gotta
Speaker 1: tie in. You got a guy the two a tongue
Speaker 1: of violoa can throw too, and you can go get
Speaker 1: another receiver later on. You don't need to take Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: So that to me, if if that happens, man, you're
Speaker 1: in the clear, you're in the clear. You don't think
Speaker 1: they would go You don't think they would go the
Speaker 1: Bonte Smith route, you know, seeing they were old buddies
Speaker 1: at Alabama and said all types of marks. You don't
Speaker 1: think they would go that route instead of the Pitts route.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Dolphins. Yeah, And for me, when
Speaker 1: I look at the Dolphins, I go back and just
Speaker 1: wasn't I talk about the head coach and the head
Speaker 1: coach understanding and seeing what a difference A Gronkowski and
Speaker 1: a Aaron Hernandez made in some of their championship runs
Speaker 1: with New England. So and what do you have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to do what I should say, What's easier to
Speaker 1: get another receiver who can help you and at that
Speaker 1: with a tight end, or you take the receiver here
Speaker 1: and then you're trying to find another tight end later.
Speaker 1: I think you can and bear you understand this because
Speaker 1: you play the game. A lot of receivers are they
Speaker 1: just do different things. I go back to Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: where he be like, well, you know what, Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: could fall because Cede Lamb felt And I say, there's
Speaker 1: a difference when you're talking about these tight ends and
Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle pittss Titan versus Cede Lamb. Receivers
Speaker 1: are like ice cream. Man. There's a whole lot of
Speaker 1: different flavors. The first receiver off the board was Henry Ruggs.
Speaker 1: None of us, none of us thought Henry Ruggs would
Speaker 1: be the first guy off the board, but you know
Speaker 1: what he was the flavor John Gruten wanted. John Gruten
Speaker 1: is thinking to himself, I want Tyreek Hill. I want
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. Two point Yeah. So when we look at
Speaker 1: these receivers, they all fit differently. And actually it was
Speaker 1: it was something that my buddy Chris Landry at Landry
Speaker 1: football dot com. And Chris used to draft for the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, and and and he spoke about how receivers
Speaker 1: are just different. Do you want a guy who's a X,
Speaker 1: Y Z, you know, and what kind of system are
Speaker 1: you running. So while everyone pretty much said Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: was the number one ranked wide receiver last year, he
Speaker 1: wasn't the first second guy take it at all. It
Speaker 1: comes down to what do you want in your offense.
Speaker 1: John Gruten didn't see Cede Lamb as the fit for
Speaker 1: his offense as much as he saw Henry Ruggs. There's
Speaker 1: different receiver, Jamar Chase all right there, right, Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: is a man. I mean, there's a big old dude
Speaker 1: right here. But there may be a team that says,
Speaker 1: we already have somebody similar to him. We don't want it.
Speaker 1: We want a different guy. We want a speed guy.
Speaker 1: All right. Take Philip Philadelphia for instance. Philly's got Jalen Reagor.
Speaker 1: This is a fast kid. So Philly's yeah, hey, we
Speaker 1: would love to have a Jamar chase next to the
Speaker 1: speed guy. So that's why I say just comes down
Speaker 1: into just different flavors. But overall, when you talk about
Speaker 1: the tight end and Kyle Pitts, well, that's the guy.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the guy. He's the vanilla. He's he's
Speaker 1: a beautiful French vanilla in terms of you can make
Speaker 1: him match with anything. He's gonna match with anything. He's
Speaker 1: a Swiss army knife. I mean, like like you said,
Speaker 1: he can he can line up after in line tight
Speaker 1: end position and work against linebackers and safeties. You can
Speaker 1: line them up at the slot position and he can
Speaker 1: outrun nickels and kind of body nickels out of there,
Speaker 1: and then you can line them up out wide. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen what he can do two corners at the
Speaker 1: highest level, at the college level. So for me, like
Speaker 1: you said, this guy's a Swiss Army knie, and I
Speaker 1: can see where you can go ahead and get him
Speaker 1: instead of going to get a receiver, because he can
Speaker 1: do so many more things than just your receiver. Because
Speaker 1: you can receiver, you're either locked into the slot or
Speaker 1: you're locked into the outside receiver. But with him, you
Speaker 1: can put him at age back, you can put him
Speaker 1: at tight end, you can put him at slot or
Speaker 1: outside receiver. So for me, Kyle Pitts is like that
Speaker 1: Swiss army knife. He's very versatile, and like I said
Speaker 1: before earlier, I hope he gets off the board because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if he could, if he drops down
Speaker 1: to ten, all those things I mentioned, they're just gonna
Speaker 1: keep accumulating these guys brains and they're gonna be like, man,
Speaker 1: you know what, They're gonna tack themselves into this Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts pick. So for me, I hope he's off the board. Man.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right and the Miami Dolphins, Caroline or
Speaker 1: somebody takes him off the board before he gets a
Speaker 1: chance to maybe fall into Jerry's lap. All right, do
Speaker 1: let me just ask this question to you really quick.
Speaker 1: Don't dick, dick, just just name who are the top
Speaker 1: four receivers okay in your mind in the national footballing
Speaker 1: and not any particular but it's getting here. When you
Speaker 1: think of your top four guys, who are there? Ups
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, top four guys, I'm
Speaker 1: going Davante Adams, the Ante Adams, Julio Jones, Hopkins and
Speaker 1: maybe Stefan Diggs. That's just off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: without you know, to think it too much into it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and perfect. And this is why I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say two of those and you had the same ones
Speaker 1: that I had a top of my head. Two of
Speaker 1: them first round picks and the other two were not.
Speaker 1: So you can find guys later on as far as
Speaker 1: white receivers who fit exactly what you want. So to me,
Speaker 1: that's why I come back to this whole Kyle Pitts deal.
Speaker 1: If I'm a team like Miami and I've got a
Speaker 1: I got a receiver need, I'll go ahead and take
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts and I can figure out the other receivers
Speaker 1: and get somebody a little bit. I got a better
Speaker 1: shot of funding and Davantae Adams or Stefan Digs in
Speaker 1: round two than I do a Kyle Pitts in round
Speaker 1: two or three later on. That that's kind of my saying.
Speaker 1: That's why I leave Kyle Pittston fall at ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm working with there. With you, I
Speaker 1: don't think he'll fall the ten because, like you said,
Speaker 1: you got you got the dolphins, right, there, you got
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, who are in knee of kind of
Speaker 1: an injection of juice on that offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they got Christian McCaffrey out there,
Speaker 1: but and Robbie Anderson, but you need that third piece
Speaker 1: in there. So I think there's definitely teams out there
Speaker 1: that can go ahead and get him and scoop him
Speaker 1: up before the Dallas Cowboys have a chance to get there.
Speaker 1: So I'm not really worried about him falling. But to
Speaker 1: get back to your original original question, that just kind
Speaker 1: of irped me a little bit, just just how how
Speaker 1: fans and how how teams are just kind of let's
Speaker 1: kick the can on the defense. We'll find depth later
Speaker 1: on in the draft and defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And then when we play bad, and when we're historically
Speaker 1: bad on the defensive siety, you want to get all
Speaker 1: on the players case and say, oh, we don't have
Speaker 1: any talent and we don't well, we had a chance
Speaker 1: to add that talent defensively in the draft and we
Speaker 1: chose to go offense. So that's that's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that kind of ticks me a little bit. But hey, man,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm hoping we go defense movie. That's
Speaker 1: all I gotta do. I gotta hope we go defense.
Speaker 1: Here's what irks me about the draft process and just
Speaker 1: listening to fans is the willingness to just say, hey,
Speaker 1: trade out of ten. And this is what I'm thinking
Speaker 1: right now. Obviously, come draft Day, we're gonna find out
Speaker 1: how we've been lied to a lot. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out, Wenna lie because every draft day we see surprises.
Speaker 1: Nobody had Mittel Trubisky being traded up and going number
Speaker 1: two in the draft, but the Bears kept it under wraps.
Speaker 1: I remember when Dallas had the number four pick and
Speaker 1: ended up taking Ezekiel Elliott. The number three pick was
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, and no one was talking about Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: to the Chargers, but Ton Talesco, their GM had he
Speaker 1: had eyed on Bosa all day long than that was
Speaker 1: going to be the guy. So we're going to see
Speaker 1: some things that happened. But for me, the fact that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will most likely be able to take a
Speaker 1: blue chip player, defensive player at ten and people want
Speaker 1: to get out of that I find maddening because you've
Speaker 1: earned this tenth pick overall the draft. You've earned it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hope not to be there again. So take a piece
Speaker 1: and try to get a blue chit piece. I think
Speaker 1: about Tyrn Smith number nine overall for the Cowboys, Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott number four overall for the Cowboys. They took guys
Speaker 1: who fit the profile coming out of college. They were
Speaker 1: very good football players. They were worth the pick, and
Speaker 1: the results from both players, in my opinion, made the
Speaker 1: pick worth it. These guys, Ezekiel Elliott and becoming a
Speaker 1: rushing leader. You've got all decade team for Tyrant Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you hope to get out of
Speaker 1: the tenth pick. And right now I keep seeing Patrick
Speaker 1: Sutan mock to the Cowboys at ten, and if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can get that player at ten, don't trade down.
Speaker 1: Just sit right there and take a player whose dad
Speaker 1: played the National Football League, a guy who stepped on
Speaker 1: the campus at Tuscaloosa, Alabama to play for Nick Saban,
Speaker 1: to start it from day one. Nick Saban is a
Speaker 1: defensive backs coach. That's what he played at Kent State.
Speaker 1: That's his specialty. So you know he was coach hard.
Speaker 1: He was an All American player He's an SEC Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. He was a better player at
Speaker 1: Alabama than Trevon Diggs, and many people say Trevon Diggs
Speaker 1: is the best corner right now on the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: To me, this is not a hard thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's really simple the resident to me, and I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, Barry, because you played this league. So
Speaker 1: you tell me. If they did it in college, they
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do it in the pros. If
Speaker 1: they didn't do it in college, then I'm gonna wonder
Speaker 1: how much can they really do it in the pros.
Speaker 1: This guy's resume is as clean to me as it
Speaker 1: gets to be a player in this league worth Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know how I thought about this guy since
Speaker 1: day one. I mean, he's been my you know, I
Speaker 1: need this guy at number ten since we knew the
Speaker 1: draft slot we were gonna get. So I've been on
Speaker 1: the train as far as certain since the beginning. For me, though,
Speaker 1: when it comes down and I agree with you on
Speaker 1: those blue chip prospects, because look at what we added
Speaker 1: to our offense. Like you said, Ezekiel Elliott, he was
Speaker 1: a blue chip guy. Last time we were able to
Speaker 1: pick that high we picked him, and look what he's become.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the engine for our offense for
Speaker 1: three four years. I mean now I'm starting to, you know,
Speaker 1: pass the torch. I'm not sure if that's a good
Speaker 1: idea that we give the full reins to Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: But this guy, at the beginning, he was the engine
Speaker 1: that could. He was the engine that got us rolling.
Speaker 1: And Tyron Smith and all those blue chip prospects on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball made us into one
Speaker 1: of those offensive powerhouses. So just imagine if we were
Speaker 1: to take that same philosophy to the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball and like you said, started adding these blue
Speaker 1: chip prospects to it, I think it'll around our defense.
Speaker 1: Around it, we could become a better team. I mean,
Speaker 1: we got to be much better than we were last
Speaker 1: year with that historically bad defense. So I'm right there,
Speaker 1: which you KNEWI I push a little bit back on
Speaker 1: that trade back scenario, and I'm sure we'll get into
Speaker 1: that later on in the show. If our two guys
Speaker 1: aren't there in the draft, and then maybe we do
Speaker 1: trade back a little bit, but we'll discuss that. But overall,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think we need well, that is
Speaker 1: that's definitely where I was going to get into next.
Speaker 1: So if Patrick's er ten and JC Horne aren't there,
Speaker 1: what do you do. We'll do that after the break,
Speaker 1: But I want to say this one thing before we
Speaker 1: go to break. When you start talking about the cost
Speaker 1: of NFL players, quarterbacks cost you. Edge Rusher's cost you,
Speaker 1: cornerbacks cost you. I mean these are when you start
Speaker 1: talking about premium spots. In order to get top notch players.
Speaker 1: The cost is high in free agency, so you need
Speaker 1: to get them in the draft. That is why I
Speaker 1: am looking at a corner is gonna cost you. We
Speaker 1: saw what Miami paid to take Byron Jones away from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, made in the highest paid corner in the game.
Speaker 1: And with all due respect, we like Byron as a player.
Speaker 1: We think he's an outstanding man. But Byron is not
Speaker 1: the best corner in the National Football League. But he
Speaker 1: got paid the highest price because these players are in demand.
Speaker 1: And that's something I hope Cowboy fans start to realize
Speaker 1: for those who've been pushing back against the corner is hey,
Speaker 1: look if you get a blue chip one, look at
Speaker 1: what Jalen Ramsey has been You look at Jalen Ramsey's
Speaker 1: been in his time. If you played with him at
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and the Rams, Man, this guy's been all that.
Speaker 1: You look at his resume. Okay, I challenge anybody look
Speaker 1: at Jalen's asume coming out of Florida State. You go
Speaker 1: match that same resume with Patrick's Curtan. You talk about
Speaker 1: guys who both started for the day they got on campus,
Speaker 1: guys who were part of national championship teams in the
Speaker 1: best quarterback on those defenses. Here there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: where these guys match up. Man, and now Jalen's a
Speaker 1: bigger player. But I'm just talking about the resume overall.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be Jalen Ramsey. But when
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey came out, he checked off so many boxes
Speaker 1: that said, yeah, this is what we want. And I
Speaker 1: feel like Curtan does that same thing Church. I feel
Speaker 1: like he does. And it's like and as a corner
Speaker 1: that has those abilities, those lockdown abilities, it's not all
Speaker 1: about interceptions. I mean, I know a lot of fans
Speaker 1: out there they go, oh, he doesn't get the ball
Speaker 1: that much, he doesn't take the ball away. But when
Speaker 1: you have a corner out there that can literally shut
Speaker 1: down their top receiver or shut down a half of
Speaker 1: the field. That makes the rest of the defense that
Speaker 1: much easier, especially as a safety, you don't even have
Speaker 1: to worry about that side. And as a defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: like Dan Quinn, if you got a guy who's shut
Speaker 1: down out there like that, you can do so many
Speaker 1: more things with your defense. You can blitz more, you
Speaker 1: can have help to other needs on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. So to me, it's not all about
Speaker 1: just interceptions and can he get his hands on the ball?
Speaker 1: Is he the guy that can go out there and
Speaker 1: shut down I think that's what Stan can be, especially
Speaker 1: with that pedigree with his dad playing in the league,
Speaker 1: playing at Alabama under Nick Saban, and we know what
Speaker 1: those guys can do in the secondary. So I just
Speaker 1: think he has that pedigree and he can come down
Speaker 1: and not only be a playmaker on the ball, but
Speaker 1: also shut down a half of the field and make
Speaker 1: the defense so much easier. And I think that it
Speaker 1: will see dividends if we're able to get him in
Speaker 1: the tenth. So we set up here, we run off
Speaker 1: this great resume for Certan and guess where they're gonna
Speaker 1: be teams right before the Cowboys who see the same thing,
Speaker 1: and maybe they take him off the board. Maybe Ja
Speaker 1: Jesse Horne gets taken off the board. So what did
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do? We'll discuss that next. What did the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do if the top two corners in this draft
Speaker 1: are gone? Where do they stay? At ten? Do they
Speaker 1: take another player? Let's dive into that on the flip
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Speaker 1: A long time Cowboys are joined by four Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Safety Barry Church. Our other running buddy, Danny McCrae is off.
Speaker 1: He'll be back joining us in May. So Church, we're
Speaker 1: discussing the draft, which is less than two weeks away. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: if J. C. Horn and Patrick's or ten are gone
Speaker 1: at ten and you're the Dallas Cowboys and you also, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, don't have an option to take Kyle
Speaker 1: Picks or to day school. These four picks are gone.
Speaker 1: What do you do if you're the Cowboys? Do you
Speaker 1: stay at ten? Do you trade them? If it's up
Speaker 1: to me. If I was being paid to make these
Speaker 1: type of decisions for the Dallas Cowboys and it was
Speaker 1: solely on me, I'm trading back newly. I'm trading back
Speaker 1: and seeing if I can get some more death pieces
Speaker 1: for this defense. Now. I say that because that guy
Speaker 1: that that blue chip that we were talking about, if
Speaker 1: him and Horn, because I consider Horn and blue Chip
Speaker 1: as well. If Horn and Certan aren't there, I don't
Speaker 1: see any other defensive stand out unless you're maybe maybe
Speaker 1: leaning towards Micah Parsons out of Penn State, that fast linebacker,
Speaker 1: if you're sold on him, maybe, But to me, I'm
Speaker 1: not sold on any blue chip prospect other than those
Speaker 1: guys in the in the top ten. Now if we
Speaker 1: were later on picking Shore, but at the top ten,
Speaker 1: I don't see a defensive lineman out there that kind
Speaker 1: of blows my socks away. Like I said, if you
Speaker 1: feel like that Penn State linebacker can do it, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't do it for me and anybody else in
Speaker 1: the secondary, I just don't see. I feel like we
Speaker 1: can get in later rounds. So for me, I would
Speaker 1: trade back, get some more, get them, maybe a second
Speaker 1: or third and I would get death pieces because we
Speaker 1: need them, especially on an interior part of the defensive line.
Speaker 1: I feel like we can get great, solid death pieces
Speaker 1: back there because right now we're working with Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: who's coming off of an Acyl and Nevill Gallimore. And
Speaker 1: I'm high on Nevil Gallimore. I think he can be
Speaker 1: a stud on that defensive tackle, but I need a
Speaker 1: bigger sample size and Tristan Hill, we don't know what
Speaker 1: we're getting back from that ACL. And then you go
Speaker 1: to the second line of the defense, which is the linebackers,
Speaker 1: and we have Lve, we got Jalen Smith, but you
Speaker 1: know those guys are injury prone. Those guys have missed time,
Speaker 1: especially LVE in the recent years. So for me, I
Speaker 1: think we need a death piece there as well. And
Speaker 1: in the secondary, man, if we can't get those blue
Speaker 1: chip prospects, we're gonna have to load up somehow in
Speaker 1: some way because the secondary we have now with Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown and Jordan Lewis, those guys I don't feel like
Speaker 1: they can hold up back there. They don't. They need
Speaker 1: the more veteran presence back there. So for me, I'm
Speaker 1: trading back and I'm trying to get more depth for
Speaker 1: this defense. But overall, I gotta hope my guys are there.
Speaker 1: I gotta hope they're there because those guys are to me,
Speaker 1: cornerstone pieces of the defense that sorely sorely needs it. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: and under this scenario, and what I'm thinking, so if
Speaker 1: we if if you get to ten and you've got
Speaker 1: a J. C. Horn gone, and you've got a Patrick's
Speaker 1: and gone, and Pena Soul and Kyle Pitts are gone,
Speaker 1: this means most likely there should be a quarterback falling
Speaker 1: at this point in time. And maybe that quarterback is
Speaker 1: justin fields. Maybe it's the kid Trey Lands from North
Speaker 1: Dakota State and from the buzz that's being out there.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we're lied to a lot. I always
Speaker 1: have to remember this, we're lied to a lot at
Speaker 1: this time. If Washington wants to if Washington wants to
Speaker 1: come up, if Chicago wants to come up, if New
Speaker 1: England wants to come up, if they're if they're willing
Speaker 1: to come up to ten to get this quarterback, would
Speaker 1: you do it? Do you trade them? Because that's to
Speaker 1: get the ammunition you're talking about. Okay, the ammunition you're
Speaker 1: talking about you want more pieces, the best way to
Speaker 1: get it and where people will pay you the most
Speaker 1: money in a ransom is for a quarterback. And if
Speaker 1: if the quarterback falls, are you still here? Am I
Speaker 1: still here? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, we got you? Okay? If
Speaker 1: the if the court, let's just say Fields falls, and
Speaker 1: we know from what the buzz we've been hearing, New
Speaker 1: England they high on Fields and they could trade up
Speaker 1: and get somebody and it fields us there at ten.
Speaker 1: I could see New England making a choice to go
Speaker 1: up there and get him, and then we would slide
Speaker 1: back to fifteen and add some pieces later on in
Speaker 1: the round. I'm all for that. I'm all for that.
Speaker 1: If if those two corners are not available, because you know,
Speaker 1: the guy out of Virginia Farley or Virginia Tech, he
Speaker 1: would have been one of my blue chip guys. But
Speaker 1: he's coming off of back surgery and we're already fielding
Speaker 1: a team that's full of guys who've had surgeries and
Speaker 1: injury prone and all that stuff. So we don't want
Speaker 1: to bring a guy who's yet to do an NFL
Speaker 1: snap already who had surgery. We don't want to bring
Speaker 1: him in, especially that high So for me, if those
Speaker 1: two guys aren't there, I gotta trade back. I gotta
Speaker 1: get more depth for this defense because as we know,
Speaker 1: this team has been injury prone the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and we're adding another game, a seventeenth game, So for me,
Speaker 1: you got to need more more pieces over there. I
Speaker 1: would trade back, especially if New England's ready to go,
Speaker 1: because that's only five more picks back, So I'd be
Speaker 1: willing to trade back for sure. So kind of wrapping
Speaker 1: this up in conclusion, we believe the Cowboys should stay
Speaker 1: at ten if they have the ability to get themselves
Speaker 1: one of these two quarterback prospects and quarterback. And if
Speaker 1: the quarterback prospects are gone and there is all of
Speaker 1: a sudden four quarterbacks taken and a fifth quarterback in
Speaker 1: terms of justin Fields is available or Lance is available,
Speaker 1: and you've got a team that's desperate to get them,
Speaker 1: you go ahead and possibly look and entertaining if going down,
Speaker 1: because in your mind you don't feel that there's another
Speaker 1: blue chip player. Now, Michael Parsons is a guy that
Speaker 1: a lot of people, okay, a lot of people thinks
Speaker 1: worthy of a top ten pick. I mean not not
Speaker 1: not my cup. You know, I'm not big on him
Speaker 1: like that, but there are people who are and people
Speaker 1: who do this process and say he is and and
Speaker 1: you're out on him as well. So you and I
Speaker 1: are like, now, Parsons, isn't that guy go ahead and
Speaker 1: move out of the tent if if you do not
Speaker 1: have a blue chip guy in your opinion that you
Speaker 1: can ride out and say, man, this dude, we're gonna
Speaker 1: slide him into the line up day one. Because if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys draft Michael Parsons, does he start day one?
Speaker 1: Is at is he is he starting? Does I mean?
Speaker 1: And then you got the short knif season and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, so I mean, is he gonna be ready?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be ready to start? So that's the
Speaker 1: thing with me and it knew him ask you this.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's besides the corners we name
Speaker 1: that early in the draft, do you see anybody out
Speaker 1: there that's, like, you know what, he's a must we
Speaker 1: got If those guys on the board, it's okay because
Speaker 1: we got this guy right here in the chamber waiting.
Speaker 1: So do you see anybody else out there like that?
Speaker 1: Here's I'm glad you asked that because this is something
Speaker 1: I was just I was talking about buddy Chris Lantry
Speaker 1: about and you know, here's a guy who worked for
Speaker 1: Belichick and saving in Cleveland, ran the ran the like
Speaker 1: the combine and he said draft to pretend to see
Speaker 1: for years and he says, look for the fit. Did
Speaker 1: not look at the draft rankings. So the unfortunate thing
Speaker 1: for us is we haven't had an ability to sit
Speaker 1: down and talk to dan Quinn to say, what is
Speaker 1: it you want? Okay, Mike McCarthy told us, hey, he
Speaker 1: feels like you can't have enough six foot five, two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pound guys up front on the D line.
Speaker 1: He feels like you can't have So we understand what
Speaker 1: he's thinking. And so that's what I would really love
Speaker 1: to know. Hey, dan Quinn, what fits for you? Does
Speaker 1: Micah park is Mica part is Micah Parsons your Vic Beasley?
Speaker 1: Is there a safety out here that reminds you of
Speaker 1: Demante Kaz and Earl Woods? Do you have somebody on
Speaker 1: the D line that reminds you of Cliff Avril? Is
Speaker 1: there somebody that's draft the D line that fits your
Speaker 1: defense the way Michael Bennett did that Super Bowl forty
Speaker 1: eight team that went up to MetLife Field and laid
Speaker 1: a whooping on Peyton Man, who was the MVP of
Speaker 1: the league that year with fifty five touchdown passes. That's
Speaker 1: what I'd like to know, because church so much of
Speaker 1: that is about how these things work. When you were
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, you guys had an excellent defense, but the
Speaker 1: pieces fit and that's what matters so much. Do the
Speaker 1: players fit the scheme? And we can say all day long,
Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy talks about, well as players over scheme,
Speaker 1: we didn't see that last year. But if we're going
Speaker 1: to get the best out of players, you need to
Speaker 1: know how to put them in the right position. And
Speaker 1: so that's the thing I talk about so much about
Speaker 1: these quote unquote rankings. Go back to Cede Lamb CD
Speaker 1: Lamb was number one on a whole lot of folks boards,
Speaker 1: but the Raiders said, Henry Ruggs is the best fit
Speaker 1: for us and what we want to do. And then
Speaker 1: when it came time for the Denver Broncos the draft,
Speaker 1: they took Jerry Judy over Cede Lamb because they said,
Speaker 1: this guy fits exactly what we want to do. And
Speaker 1: so there you had CD Lamb falling to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So that's why I just kind of look at I mean,
Speaker 1: they even go back to Atlanta. Here's Atlanta one pick
Speaker 1: ahead of the Dallas Cowboys, and they said, we've got
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, We've got Calvin Ridley, we don't need CD Lamb,
Speaker 1: even though like everyone, they had a first round grade
Speaker 1: on Cede Lamb. Okay, this guy was a first round
Speaker 1: graded player. And every year, you know, there's not thirty
Speaker 1: two first round dudes. There may be eighteen to nineteen
Speaker 1: sometimes even the twenty one true first round grades. But
Speaker 1: it comes down to the fit of the football team.
Speaker 1: People can sit up here all day long and bag
Speaker 1: on Matt Jones, but when you start to look at
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and Chris Sims has done a good job
Speaker 1: of this. They were teammates and at UH at Texas,
Speaker 1: and Chris works for NBC Sports and he says Mac
Speaker 1: Jones fits the kind of player that Kyle and his dad,
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan are kind of quarterbacks they like. So wait
Speaker 1: are you on Mac Jones? As a lot of these
Speaker 1: people on I can't I can't understand that one. Wait
Speaker 1: wait wait, wait, wait wait let me let me. You're
Speaker 1: not hearing You're not hearing me. What am I talking about?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, look for the fit, don't look at the
Speaker 1: draft RK. So I understand, and I understand that. But Matt.
Speaker 1: Do we think Matt fits that West Coast system like that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know they're being up sample size
Speaker 1: to say he's the guy, all right and so great.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to does he fit it? Is he better
Speaker 1: than coming out of school? Is he better than Kirk Cousins?
Speaker 1: It wasn't Michigan State? Yeah? Yeah, coming out of school.
Speaker 1: Was he better than Jimmy Garoppolo was when Jimmy was
Speaker 1: playing in Eastern Illinois? Yeah? But look Lee was thrown
Speaker 1: throwing too. He has a he has a track team
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. How many first rounds he got? Devonte Smith, Waddle,
Speaker 1: Nagi Harris. He gonna have two first round offensive linemen
Speaker 1: around him. I mean, this guy's played with a lot
Speaker 1: of talent. He's played with a lot we've seen too.
Speaker 1: Came from that same thing everybody was on two was
Speaker 1: the greatest? I agree, you know, we'll see I agree
Speaker 1: with you. But this comes down to, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: what does it always come. It comes down to what
Speaker 1: we just talk about. It's the fit, it's what they
Speaker 1: want Shannahan has. Shanahan was the guy who was gonna
Speaker 1: wait on Kirk Cousins to come to him, and the
Speaker 1: Cousins signed that big old deal in Minnesota. I would
Speaker 1: have never put I wouldn't have been signed him at all.
Speaker 1: That's not my thing. Um, Matt Ryan Ryan want to
Speaker 1: MVP with Kyle Sanahan. So they have a ship, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean the end of the day, it's like your buddies.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, you and your buddies. If you're
Speaker 1: both single and you're going out on the town, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a type of female you like you'ren say,
Speaker 1: hey man, you know I like this type. This is
Speaker 1: my type right here. Okay. So the same with quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: same with white receivers. So while mac Jones is not
Speaker 1: your type and not my type, what if we see
Speaker 1: it's Kyle Shanahan's type. You know, Kyle Shanahan might be
Speaker 1: that guy to see him going, man, he might be
Speaker 1: that guy that says, dude, I like those red heads
Speaker 1: with curly here. Okay, that's his type. That's his type.
Speaker 1: Different strokes for different folks, and he's doing the drafting,
Speaker 1: so he's going to go get his type. All right. Look,
Speaker 1: I for all day long, man, I was about Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson coming out. I was like, man, that's the guy,
Speaker 1: not Mahomes, not your bisky. I was like, Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: that's the guy. But guess what n NFL value. He
Speaker 1: just didn't feel that way. He went third. Then here
Speaker 1: it is the Cleveland Browns who had two shots. They
Speaker 1: had the first and the twelfth pick. Okay, they had
Speaker 1: two shots at Watson and didn't want the guy. In fact,
Speaker 1: they traded out of twelve to Houston because they didn't
Speaker 1: think he was that good and they thought Deshaun Kaiser
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame was just the grus play. They were wrong,
Speaker 1: But I'm just that's when I keep coming back to,
Speaker 1: don't look at the rankings, look at the fits and
Speaker 1: what people want. That's why we see or draft days
Speaker 1: so many like what what are they doing? I mean,
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs, why would you take Henry Ruggs when he
Speaker 1: was he was not the best wide receiver for the
Speaker 1: Alabama Crimson Tide. But guess what John Gruen thought he
Speaker 1: was Now I thought John Gruden was wrong. We saw
Speaker 1: the record, but hey, that's what this thing comes so, Barry.
Speaker 1: That's why I say, man, don't look at the rankings,
Speaker 1: don't look at what you like, because it's going to
Speaker 1: be a team that says, this guy fits what we
Speaker 1: do and what we want and you shake your head. Yeah. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm gonna give an example where I was
Speaker 1: one hundred percent wrong. It was a year that the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I thought they were right there able to take Sharif
Speaker 1: Floyd defensive tackle. I think he was at Florida's statement.
Speaker 1: He was coming out of school, big guy. Man, take
Speaker 1: that guy. They traded out. Cowboys traded out, Minnesota takes it,
Speaker 1: and then they trade in. Later I think it was
Speaker 1: thirty one in the draft. Thirty and thirty one they
Speaker 1: took Travis Frederick. Like, why are you taking a center?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? The Cowboys were right, and Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick fitted what they wanted to do and had an
Speaker 1: outstanding career. So that's an example where I was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent wrong. The Cowboys knew what they're fit and
Speaker 1: what they needed. And so as we talked about this process,
Speaker 1: you and I, man, we were both on the same thing.
Speaker 1: Mac Joe. Mac Jones ain't special. Mac Jones was a
Speaker 1: guy who was a part of assistant. You had a
Speaker 1: great defense that got to the football. You had nothing
Speaker 1: but an offensive line it was good, and running back
Speaker 1: it was good. And you have for years now you've
Speaker 1: had first round wide receivers. How good is the guy?
Speaker 1: But we're not the guy drafted the forty Look, the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are the people who who passed Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Watson Watson. Okay, right, so so make sure you
Speaker 1: remember that. Okay when people sit up here all day
Speaker 1: long and say, man, I don't get it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you should get it. They didn't think I mean, they
Speaker 1: didn't think Mahomes or Watson was worthy. They took Solomon
Speaker 1: Thomas from Coppell, Texas, who was at Stanford. That's who
Speaker 1: they took. They traded down because the Bears traded with them,
Speaker 1: So they traded down, took a defensive tackle, and then
Speaker 1: they bypassed Mahomes and Watson. So if they're doing that,
Speaker 1: would you really be surprised if they said we don't
Speaker 1: want Justin Fields. I wouldn't be that surprised. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be that surprised. I'll tell you what, I will be dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: If they go ahead and get mac Jones at number three,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, man, what in the world. And maybe
Speaker 1: I'm completely wrong. Maybe this is the fit and he
Speaker 1: ends up fitting exactly what the forty nine ers want.
Speaker 1: But right now, just looking I just I just don't
Speaker 1: see it. I don't see it. Maybe that's why I'm
Speaker 1: not a GM or in that position, but to me,
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I don't see him being
Speaker 1: that third overall pick. And it comes back to when
Speaker 1: you're drafting philosophy, do you do you just do you
Speaker 1: draft need or do you draft what you want? And
Speaker 1: that's to me, and that's the dilemma we're in right now.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of players they want that, they
Speaker 1: want that cowpus, they want that that flashy new toy,
Speaker 1: but we're in need of a lot more other things,
Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side of the ball. So I
Speaker 1: guess it all just comes down to philosophy and what
Speaker 1: you believe in as far as drafting process for your team. Look,
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are are interesting lot. Then I go back to
Speaker 1: the situation you're in in Jacksonville. Here's Jacksonville with Blake Bortles.
Speaker 1: At this point in time, we all know Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: is not that guy, even though he was taking third overall.
Speaker 1: Here the Jaguars with the fourth overall pick, and they
Speaker 1: decide they want to take Leonard for at the running
Speaker 1: back and they did not want Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: They didn't do it. And here they are with the
Speaker 1: first pick in the draft, trying to get back and
Speaker 1: figure out this quarterback position. So they'll end up taking
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. But this this becomes where team teams, man,
Speaker 1: they you shouldn't be surprised when you see so many mistakes.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm trying to say, Barry. What
Speaker 1: do we see constant mistakes by by people were supposed
Speaker 1: to be the best evaluators in the world at the
Speaker 1: most critical position in the league. They mess up time
Speaker 1: and time again. When you see a Christian pond to
Speaker 1: go in the first round and see Jake Locker go
Speaker 1: in the first round, I mean, really, but that Blaine
Speaker 1: Gabbert And that's why I see, man, and that's why
Speaker 1: half of this league, literally like fifty five percent of
Speaker 1: this league is made up of undrafted guys, undrafted guys
Speaker 1: who got passed up like myself. And that's why the
Speaker 1: league is made up, because because guys or teams they
Speaker 1: miss out on players and then players go undrafted and
Speaker 1: end up proving everybody wrong. But that's why you see
Speaker 1: mistakes are made year in and year out in his
Speaker 1: NFL draft. So going back to the Cowboys, a circle
Speaker 1: back here. If they don't take your cornerback in round
Speaker 1: number one, must they take one in rounds two, three?
Speaker 1: And we haven't even addressed the safety position yet. So Church,
Speaker 1: how do you view the first and second days? Because
Speaker 1: round one is on a Thursday. Okay, that's round ones
Speaker 1: all one day. Rounds two and three are gonna be
Speaker 1: on Friday. So how do you feel about what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do to address this defense? Well, I think they
Speaker 1: have to address the secondary. If they don't do it
Speaker 1: in round one, it has to be in two or three.
Speaker 1: You gotta get yourself a And I'm not saying you
Speaker 1: can't find you know, like you said undrafted wise, look
Speaker 1: at Malcolm Butler. He's had a solid career as a
Speaker 1: corner and he was undrafted. So I'm not saying you
Speaker 1: can't find corners later on in a draft, but for me,
Speaker 1: I think we gotta address it early on. I think
Speaker 1: you get your most bang for your Bucke if you
Speaker 1: address it early on. And right now with the secondary
Speaker 1: we have, you know, right now, what is it Brown?
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis Ma Woozier's gun and at the say and
Speaker 1: at the safeties, I think we got Keyan O'Neil in
Speaker 1: Demante Kyz right now, and Keyan O'Neil is playing basically linebackers,
Speaker 1: so we haven't about the dress. He's a linebacker, and
Speaker 1: I don't even want him to step back and be
Speaker 1: that every down safety because I think he'll get exposed
Speaker 1: that way. And I think the best way to treat
Speaker 1: him is in that third down package, having them blitz
Speaker 1: and having them do all that stuff near the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, because he's a phenomenal box safety. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if he can do both on the deep
Speaker 1: end as well. But overall, we have gap to address
Speaker 1: that secondary. I don't think the Gays we have there
Speaker 1: right now will be able to hold up against the
Speaker 1: players that they're coming in here. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: the division overall. You see Washington, they brought in a Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: they brought in a Samuel to help stretch the field.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at New York. They brought into
Speaker 1: Kenny Galladay to go along with Shephard and those boys,
Speaker 1: and Dary is slating over there. So these offenses in
Speaker 1: our league, even though we were in obviously one of
Speaker 1: the worst divisions International Football League, the offenses are actually
Speaker 1: getting better. So I don't think the secondary we have
Speaker 1: right now can hold up against those guys are down
Speaker 1: in and down out, So we got address that need.
Speaker 1: This is a passing league. I mean, ninety percent of
Speaker 1: offenses come out in eleven personnel, and for those who
Speaker 1: don't know that, that's one running back, one tight end,
Speaker 1: and three wide receivers. So we gotta have guys. We
Speaker 1: gotta have cover guys out there that can cover those
Speaker 1: cover those receivers out there. So for me, we had
Speaker 1: got to get addressed this in a draft. We already
Speaker 1: missed out on free agency. I mean, I'm sure there
Speaker 1: might be some guys you can get later on if
Speaker 1: injuries happen, but overall, I think we gotta address that
Speaker 1: secondary because this is a passing league, and the offenses
Speaker 1: in our division have gotten a lot better and we
Speaker 1: need to match that. Yeah, Philadelphia has got Jalen Raiger,
Speaker 1: and while he had a disappointing season, Eagle fans, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're looking in the fact that the offensive
Speaker 1: line was terrible all season long and they had quarterbacksies.
Speaker 1: If they take a Jalen Waddle at twelve or another
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you're talking about speed guy and another and
Speaker 1: Raiger and another potential speed guy right there, you can
Speaker 1: have some serious issues. Not to mention, the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: face can't see the Chiefs this year. They do face
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I mean, he's got some weapons. They do
Speaker 1: face quarterback Justin Herbert. They gotta go against Michael Thomas
Speaker 1: of the New Orleans Saints. You got to face Carolina
Speaker 1: that's got Robby Anderson out there. And then they got
Speaker 1: DJ the Kid, Dj Moore. I mean, so, so there's
Speaker 1: there's some serious white receivers. They got Minnesota. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, I know they beat Minnesota last year, but
Speaker 1: still you've got Jefferson, who's going to be an improved
Speaker 1: player in year number two. You got Theling. So yes,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defensive backfield needs to improve. They also got
Speaker 1: to improve that d line. Hey, let's take a break
Speaker 1: here when we come back. Um, a guy that you
Speaker 1: and I had come to the conclusion needed to be
Speaker 1: gone is gone, and it is Julian Edelman. Really a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Let's dive into that. Next on the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com slash Draft Pick Challenge. Okay, Aldon Smith
Speaker 1: is a guy that early on in the year, that
Speaker 1: first month, I was like, yeah, what a great job
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys. Man, this this guy, this guy is
Speaker 1: somebody you need to think about signing long term, you know,
Speaker 1: get the multi year deal. Uh. Then we saw the
Speaker 1: last three months and you didn't see Aldon Smith. And
Speaker 1: right here on the Players on podcast brought about Hotels
Speaker 1: dot Com. I said, uh no, he needs to go.
Speaker 1: He signed with the Seattle Seahawks on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you right now, Barry Church, I
Speaker 1: was smiling. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't
Speaker 1: don't Okay, no that I'm not gonna lie. Man. I
Speaker 1: was right there, which you man. I had a little
Speaker 1: grin on my face when I read that news and
Speaker 1: nothing against him. Man, he you know, he has an
Speaker 1: amazing story. He mean, five years out of the league.
Speaker 1: You know, you battled back from all your from all
Speaker 1: the demons you had, and you came back. You were
Speaker 1: able to come back to the league. And in the
Speaker 1: first couple of games, first five games, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he registered like three sacks or something like that
Speaker 1: in the first couple of games, and everybody was I
Speaker 1: was right there, which I'm like, man, this dude got
Speaker 1: the juice. Instead of missing five years, it looked like
Speaker 1: he only missed five games. But then as we see, man,
Speaker 1: the NFL season, it's a long and grueling season. And
Speaker 1: by week eight or nine, I mean we were both
Speaker 1: asking each other, I mean, didn Alton Smith even dressed?
Speaker 1: Was he dressing a day like he did he make
Speaker 1: a play out there? And it just seemed like he
Speaker 1: was just taking up space and taking up snaps from
Speaker 1: guys like Randy Gregory or Bradley and I that that
Speaker 1: that has some upside to him that can actually go
Speaker 1: out there and produce. So for me, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a it was a great story for autun Smith
Speaker 1: to come in here and do what he did or
Speaker 1: do what he did. But overall, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: made the right move and to move on from him,
Speaker 1: because I think he was blocking the progress of a
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory who seemed to come alive towards the end
Speaker 1: of the season, and I would like to see what
Speaker 1: he can do with a full season under his belt,
Speaker 1: with a full offseason under his belt and get going,
Speaker 1: and with guys like um like Alton Smith there, it
Speaker 1: was just blocking that progress. So I'm happy he was
Speaker 1: able to go out there and get another job with
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. But I'm also happy he was sent
Speaker 1: along his way because I don't think it was that
Speaker 1: great of a fit, just a better story. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's you know, the one thing about doing this job
Speaker 1: is you can find things offline. You know, you're a
Speaker 1: former player, and there's certain things that you guys will
Speaker 1: will tell us that are off the record. And so
Speaker 1: there's some off the record things that took place last
Speaker 1: year which you need to move on from Alden Smith.
Speaker 1: And one of the things, and this is why I
Speaker 1: hate that we can't talk to dan Quinn. I never
Speaker 1: thought he'd fit dan quinn skin. It just didn't seem
Speaker 1: to be the fit. Of it, and so he moves on.
Speaker 1: And so maybe Seattle, which you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: the concepts of Dan Quinn is gonna bring they run
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Maybe Dave Pete's got away, He'll use him.
Speaker 1: But I just think they needed to move off on him.
Speaker 1: They tried. It didn't work. Jim Tom Suld, the line
Speaker 1: coaches all gone, let's just move off, move off that,
Speaker 1: and just just say, hey, grand opening, grand closing, and
Speaker 1: you move on from there. So Alden Smith gone, I'm
Speaker 1: more than more than happy happy with that. So Julian
Speaker 1: Edelman retired this week, and immediately people started, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the thing now. So a guy retires, we
Speaker 1: want to say, is he a Hall of Famer? LaMarcus
Speaker 1: Aldridge retired yesterday? If people like, hey, he's a Hall
Speaker 1: of famor I say he's a Hall of Famer, and
Speaker 1: Danian Lillis say he retires number and I'm like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute. I mean he was he was a good
Speaker 1: player and played fifteen NBA systems and made the All
Speaker 1: Star Team seven times. But when I think about the
Speaker 1: greatest basketball players at all time, is LaMarcus Aldridge. That
Speaker 1: is Julian Edelman, one of the greatest wide receivers of
Speaker 1: all time, that we need to put him in Canton
Speaker 1: and say, kids, we can't tell the story of the
Speaker 1: National Football League without Julian Elman. Yes you can, Yes
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, I could tell the story. It was
Speaker 1: Tom Rady, kids, Tom. I mean, okay, we Wes Welker
Speaker 1: was a really good white receiver. Okay, Wes Walker was
Speaker 1: that slot guy. And then after Wes Welker they dumped him.
Speaker 1: They brought up Danny Ammondola, they brought in Julian Ellman.
Speaker 1: We never heard anything from Wes Welker once he left.
Speaker 1: He didn't really do much. He went to New England.
Speaker 1: I mean he went to Denver and played on the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team and got beat by Seattle. And Danny
Speaker 1: Amondola didn't really do much. I mean, Julian Edelman is
Speaker 1: a nice player, but he's a product of the system. Man,
Speaker 1: He's definitely a product of a system. But I gotta
Speaker 1: get him shout out because you know, mac representative Mid
Speaker 1: American Conference came from Kent State, So I'll give him
Speaker 1: a shout out on that one. But overall, man, I
Speaker 1: would not say he was a Hall of Fame candidate.
Speaker 1: I mean, we got a quick disrespect in the guys
Speaker 1: that are in the Hall of Fame right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: those are some of the guys that, like you said,
Speaker 1: you can't write the history of the NFL without placing
Speaker 1: those guys in there. I mean, are we really gonna
Speaker 1: say that that Julian Edelman was on the level of
Speaker 1: a Randy Moss or even even a guy like Drew
Speaker 1: Pearson who had to wait so long to get into
Speaker 1: the National Football League, who I believe it was a
Speaker 1: much better receiver than Julian Edelman. I mean, there's countless
Speaker 1: and countless and countless examples of wide receivers who put
Speaker 1: up better numbers than Julian Edelman. Yes, his playoffs stats
Speaker 1: are immaculate. They're immaculate. I think he's second to only
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice in all the major receiving categories when it
Speaker 1: comes to the playoffs. But that's kind of a longevity thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's played an over twenty playoff games, so
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's kind of like you have a
Speaker 1: select few guys that are played that much that many
Speaker 1: playoff games that kind of can put up those type
Speaker 1: of numbers. But like I said, I mean, he has
Speaker 1: a great story. He's a you know, he's a hard competitor.
Speaker 1: I mean I went against him a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and he's one of those guys. He loves a chat,
Speaker 1: he loves just talk and chit chat the whole game.
Speaker 1: He kind of gets under your skin. And he's a
Speaker 1: tough he's a tough guy. I mean I always remember
Speaker 1: that he took from Cam Chancellor in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: over the middle. It was hit on wow, and Cam Chancellor,
Speaker 1: as we know, is probably one of the most hard
Speaker 1: hitting safeties the NFL has ever had, and he ate that.
Speaker 1: He ate that hit, kept stumbling forward for a little
Speaker 1: bit and then failed. So he's he's a tough, greedy competitor.
Speaker 1: But that always doesn't doesn't translate to being a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame player. I think he was a great player,
Speaker 1: I mean, a good player overall. If there was a
Speaker 1: Hall of Good, he would definitely be in there. But
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame, I just can't put him that far.
Speaker 1: He had a great career, but not a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame career. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that. He can still put his hat on
Speaker 1: his career because he had a heck of a of
Speaker 1: a long career. Most players don't even play as long
Speaker 1: as he had, so he had a great career, but
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame worthy. I'm gonna have to pass on
Speaker 1: that one, Okay. So you bring up Drew Pierson, and
Speaker 1: Drew Pierson is the guy who was the first Team
Speaker 1: All Decade nineteen seventies. He and the great Lens Swan
Speaker 1: were the first the two guys wide receiver. And I
Speaker 1: looked over at Julian Edelman and said, okay, was at
Speaker 1: some point in time was Julian Edelman All decade? Because
Speaker 1: these are some of the things that you throw in there,
Speaker 1: because obviously he's a part of three Super Bowl teams
Speaker 1: and he was a Super Bowl MVP. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: I got bust of stereoidtenuments four games. Let's not forget
Speaker 1: about that. But Julian Edelman was not a part of
Speaker 1: the All Decade team for the two thousand and tens.
Speaker 1: Your two thousand tens white receivers here they are Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, Megatron, Calvin Johnson, and Julio Jones. He's not
Speaker 1: in that category, Okay, Julian Edeman that category, that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. What you're talking about. Let me talk
Speaker 1: about Hall of Fame wide receivers, and we just saw
Speaker 1: Megatron is getting in. Megatron and Drew Pearson are the
Speaker 1: same class for twenty twenty one. Julian Edelman, he's not antonio' brown.
Speaker 1: He's not Antonio o' brown. Okay, we're talking about guys
Speaker 1: who were all Pro receivers and Pro Bowl receivers year
Speaker 1: in a year out. Julian Edelman wasn't that guy. Julian
Speaker 1: Edelman was a fantastic piece to the New England Patriots
Speaker 1: and what they did, and he deserves to be in
Speaker 1: the Patriots Hall of Fame. But this nan should not
Speaker 1: be in Canton. I'm sorry. He went to Kent State,
Speaker 1: that's right down the road from Canton. But the only
Speaker 1: way he gets in is to go see Tom Brady
Speaker 1: get inducted. But Julian Edelman is not that. He's not
Speaker 1: that people. My buddy Tom Current over NBC sports Ball said,
Speaker 1: we'll look at what he did, the great playoff games
Speaker 1: he had. That's all good and dandy, but that's not
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And we've got too many guys who
Speaker 1: are legitimate Hall of famers who can't find a way
Speaker 1: in you know Roger Craig, Well, Roger Craig was a
Speaker 1: running back. Roger Craig was a heck of a running back.
Speaker 1: Here's the guy that was your first one thousand yard
Speaker 1: receiver in one thousand yard running back and everybody's looking
Speaker 1: for that dude today. Roger Craig was doing that when
Speaker 1: it was still more of a running league, and when
Speaker 1: they were passing, they weren't passing the wall to the
Speaker 1: running backs his weapons like that. I mean, now you're
Speaker 1: running back. If you're not a weapon and you can't
Speaker 1: catch the football, man, nobody wants you on their teams anymore.
Speaker 1: So this is a guy who can't get into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame right now. So when I look at
Speaker 1: Julian Alam and I say, you know, no, Hines Ward
Speaker 1: was a Super Bowl MVP with the Pittsburgh Seals, Hines
Speaker 1: Ward's not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And
Speaker 1: I don't have an issue that Hines isn't. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, man, there's other dudes that we could sit
Speaker 1: up here and talk about and say, hey, man, is
Speaker 1: he a better player? Is he a better player than
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and Kom Bolden, Andre Johnson when they play
Speaker 1: nah Man, he was a part of a very He
Speaker 1: was a part of a really good winning culture and
Speaker 1: did his part to help that culture win. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't translate the Hall of Fame. Man. I'm sorry. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Do you think I know
Speaker 1: he put up numbers in that in that New England system,
Speaker 1: But do you think he could put up those even
Speaker 1: close to those numbers anywhere else? Like if if you
Speaker 1: think he's strictly a system receiver, like, do you think
Speaker 1: he can just go to the Cleveland Browns and put
Speaker 1: up those same type of numbers. Look, West Welker was
Speaker 1: a guy who was in Miami, and Wes Welker didn't
Speaker 1: He was just a guy. He goes to New England
Speaker 1: and Westwinder becomes a really good football player, and then
Speaker 1: he ended up going to Denver and was a part
Speaker 1: of that that six hundred point team the Broncos had.
Speaker 1: They went to the Super Bowl and Peyton Manning was
Speaker 1: unanimous MVP, throwing fifty five touchdowns that year, but they
Speaker 1: got obliterated the Super Bowl when they lost forty eight thirteen.
Speaker 1: So here's a guy who played with two of the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks of all time, who had two of their
Speaker 1: greatest seasons of all time. And he was a part
Speaker 1: of those teams when Brady was the MVP a through
Speaker 1: for fifty. West Welker was on that team. But Wes
Speaker 1: Welker was in my opinion, you were all part of
Speaker 1: the system. You know. West Walker was a great player.
Speaker 1: But yes, Peyton Manning was there. But guess what, you
Speaker 1: know what, Peyton Manning played and made a lot of
Speaker 1: other receivers look good too. So to me, West Walker
Speaker 1: was just he was just a guy who fit that system.
Speaker 1: Danny Amondola was replaced, Okay, that was the West Welker replacement.
Speaker 1: Danny A. Mendola ended up catching some touchdown passes in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, being a part of some Super Bowl
Speaker 1: teams went to Detroit. What did you do in Detroit
Speaker 1: for man, Patricia? Nothing? He was just a guy. It's
Speaker 1: twelve man, And why didn't we just see this year?
Speaker 1: Why don't we just see this year? Twelve left the building?
Speaker 1: Where are the Patriots the basement at the AFC East
Speaker 1: right now, They're in the basement trying to climb the
Speaker 1: way back up. And I'm gonna ask you this, do
Speaker 1: all those guys in New in New England, who opted out?
Speaker 1: Do they opt out if Tom Brady is the quarterback?
Speaker 1: Highly doubted, I highly exactly exactly how many guys in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay did you see opt out when they found
Speaker 1: out Tom Brady was their quarterback? They was in. They
Speaker 1: was all in that I'm gonna risch that thing was
Speaker 1: so you know, and it's the it's it's tom Brady
Speaker 1: has excelled in making slot guys look good, and Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning did the same thing. Um, who's the little dude
Speaker 1: from Tampa Bay the slot receiver that caught the big
Speaker 1: touchdown pass right before halftime? Scotty Miller Bowl Green Mac representator. Okay,
Speaker 1: tom Brady. Tom Brady makes those guys look good. Danny
Speaker 1: Amadola was a guy the Cowboys had in camp and cut. Okay.
Speaker 1: Danny amold started with the Cowboys, then ended up going
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia, didn't work out there, ended up with Saint Louis,
Speaker 1: and then he went to the New England Patriots. What
Speaker 1: did we see along his career? What did he pop?
Speaker 1: He got? He got with Tom Brady and tom Brady
Speaker 1: so he left and soon as he left, he folded
Speaker 1: up and soon as he left, he fell off a cliff.
Speaker 1: So I mean all those receivers that you need there definitely,
Speaker 1: you know, system guys, and nothing against you Edelman and
Speaker 1: Amadola and those guys because they had great careers. But
Speaker 1: when you're a system guy, if you're not that guy
Speaker 1: that defenses focus on and put everything the other efforts
Speaker 1: towards you, and you still torch them like a Randy
Speaker 1: Moss was able to do. I can't sit here and
Speaker 1: and and say that you deserve to be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Definitely not a first ballot Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure who'll ever get in. So for me,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the toll for me. Now, that's the
Speaker 1: that's the bar for me. If you can be that
Speaker 1: guy on an offense, no matter the system, if you
Speaker 1: can beat that guy and still put up numbers, even
Speaker 1: know you're getting all the focus of every defense on you,
Speaker 1: then and you could be worthy of a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame career. But Edelman, he had a great one, just
Speaker 1: not a Hall of Fame one. I'll go back to
Speaker 1: another receiver that Tom Brady really found a way to
Speaker 1: have success with and was a Super Bowl MVP. That
Speaker 1: was Dean Branch, and Dean Branch got to where he
Speaker 1: got into contract dis pete with the Patriots and they
Speaker 1: ended up sending him to Seattle, and guess what, it
Speaker 1: didn't work out. He wasn't that guy with Tom Without
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, he wasn't. And then he ended up going
Speaker 1: back to New England. So to me, that's how I
Speaker 1: see these guys. Tom Brady won a lot of Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: What a lot of dudes. What a lot of dudes
Speaker 1: that we saw. Hey man, it was the quarterback. And
Speaker 1: one of the best things Tom Brady ever did in
Speaker 1: his career was to make that move to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: So people aren't sitting around here anymore saying, well, was
Speaker 1: it Belichick was a Brady or they were both each
Speaker 1: other and it was Tom Brady. Give Tom Brady his
Speaker 1: due as the greatest quarterback of all time. If you
Speaker 1: don't want to make him great, definitely put him in
Speaker 1: the top three. But this guy truly showed you what
Speaker 1: a difference he can make in an organization when you
Speaker 1: do things the way he wants to do. He loved
Speaker 1: what he had and Julian Edelman and he looked at
Speaker 1: Scottie Millers. I think you could do some of the
Speaker 1: same things. He loved what he had adon Branch deone branch.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to pay. That's when they got Wes
Speaker 1: Wilker and they started rolling from there and they kept
Speaker 1: it going. It's the system, man. Julian Edelman is a
Speaker 1: product of the system. He's not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: He's a great player. He should be in the Patriots
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. That's my take on he. I agree
Speaker 1: a hundred percent. I agree one hundred percent what you man,
Speaker 1: all right, but that's one hour. Man. We didn't even
Speaker 1: get to Justin Field. Lewis's ad this about Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: He's got his pro day today. Charlie Cashuley, former Washington
Speaker 1: and Houston GM. By the way, he was at Houston.
Speaker 1: Gim took David Carr with the number one pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. H Yeah, he said Justin Fields was gonna
Speaker 1: go twenty four. That's what Charlie Cashley twenty four, twenty four?
Speaker 1: But why what makes him like? I don't I don't
Speaker 1: understand like what makes like why why? I just don't
Speaker 1: understand it at all? You think he's gonna dropped that
Speaker 1: far with it? With as much need as some teams
Speaker 1: had for the quarterback position, you think he's gonna drop
Speaker 1: all the way to twenty four. You think there's twenty
Speaker 1: four better prospects or twenty three better prospects in this
Speaker 1: draft than Justin Fields. I mean, we're talking about the
Speaker 1: quarterback position. That's the most important position in the national
Speaker 1: football Here's the quarterback. They have the ball each and
Speaker 1: every down there, they they make the offense go. And
Speaker 1: you think that type of town's gonna drop all the
Speaker 1: way to twenty fourth. I mean, we've seen it happen
Speaker 1: with an air Rodgers who dropped the twenty twenty second.
Speaker 1: But I just don't see it happened. I don't see
Speaker 1: it happening. And yeah at all. So here here's where
Speaker 1: when I when I was watching it, I just kind
Speaker 1: of laughed at myself. And for him to drop to
Speaker 1: twenty four to the steam, there's means that Washington at
Speaker 1: nineteen and the Bears at twenty would have passed on
Speaker 1: Justin Fields. And there's no want fifteen true true? I
Speaker 1: mean so that yeah, so those are three fits. Those
Speaker 1: are three fits right there that you and I see.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it happened, Chica. I was willing
Speaker 1: to give up three number one picks to go get
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. They're desperate to find a quarterback. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: signed Andy Dalton on a ten million dollars one year deal.
Speaker 1: But these guys jobs, you know, the GM and the
Speaker 1: head coach, their jobs could be in the ballots if
Speaker 1: they can't make a playoff run this year. You get
Speaker 1: a guy like justin Fields, now you're able to use
Speaker 1: the good old excuse, well he was young, Well we
Speaker 1: see him coming, we can help develop him. That's why
Speaker 1: I just laugh when I saw with Charlie Cash and
Speaker 1: we put out there for his mock draft at Fields
Speaker 1: falls the twenty four. There are too many football teams
Speaker 1: out there that will go ahead and take this guy
Speaker 1: way before twenty four. It's gotta be click baby. Man,
Speaker 1: there's no way he seriously thinks that that guy's gonna
Speaker 1: drop all the way down to twenty fourth. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's just no way, like you said, with all
Speaker 1: those teams out there that are in need of a
Speaker 1: quarterback and have that built in excuse like, yeah, he's young,
Speaker 1: so I need another year with him. Another year will
Speaker 1: be we'll be better with him. I just I just
Speaker 1: can't see him going all the way to twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: I mean, look what happened when Aaron Rodgers with the
Speaker 1: twenty second. You think all those teams ahead of him
Speaker 1: that passed up on him didn't win that they had
Speaker 1: a chance at him again. So I don't think that
Speaker 1: will happen again. I think I think he just was
Speaker 1: clicked baiting. And I didn't even add in the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I mean, John Gruten is not gonna pack, and so
Speaker 1: are the turmoil over there. Yeah, I mean there's just
Speaker 1: no way. There's just no way, all right. So Charlie Cashley,
Speaker 1: just I just shake my head. So, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the same guy who said that Derek Carr was a
Speaker 1: great player. It was number one pick and did get
Speaker 1: the kid anything at all? And yeah, he ended up
Speaker 1: his career as a backup quarterback. So hey, that's the
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