WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: The Draft Process 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.920 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:17.760 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Player's 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:23.080 Lunge broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:28.720 Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, and new He scrugs, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.600 all right, it's Friday. It is time for the players 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.239 last where we tell it like it is. We're brought 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.080 to you by Hotels dot Com. New Scots, a long 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.960 time Cowboys reporter, joined by Barry Church, former Dallas Cowboys 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.880 safety or other running back buddy. Danny McCray is out. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.320 Daniel rejoined us back in May's working on a project 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.879 right now. But we're taking you now all the way 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.680 up to the draft. We are less than two weeks 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.280 away where the Dallas Cowboys have a tenth overall pick Church, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.280 how are we doing? Man doing great? Man doing great. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.640 It's a little bloomy outside of the day. It's a 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.080 tad big gloomy kind of looks like Gotham City a 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.120 little bit with this kind of drizzly rain throughout the 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.000 whole day. But hey, Ron, they're on a players lounge, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.680 so they wouldn't rather be anywhere else. Let's get a 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.120 cracking now, all right. I'm got to ask you a 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.840 question that I asked our producer Chris being here, and 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.800 is there something about this draft process for the Cowboys 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.119 you're hearing that bugs you. Chris said it was that, Hey, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.920 people say trade out of ten, what's yours? The thing 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.760 that bugs me is, and I told you this a 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.560 long time when we first started doing this podcast, It's that, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.240 for some reason, some off the wall reason, no matter 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:47.280 how bad we perform on the defensive side of the ball, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.560 no matter how bad it goes, there always seems to 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.360 be that guy on the offensive side and the draft 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.800 that is just like, oh, this is so intriguing. We 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.080 can't go past this this guy. If he falls in 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.320 our laps, there's no wet to take him. It happened 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.200 last year with Cde Lamb, and this year coming around, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.960 it seems like it's happening with with Kyle Pitts. I mean, 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.799 like we talked about last last week. I know he's 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.480 an intriguing prospect. He could be, you know, one of 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.840 the best all time that his position if he puts 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.200 in the work on the field. But like I said 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.160 last week, we got tons and tons of needs on 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.760 the defensive side of the ball, and for some reason, 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.440 all we can talk about in the Cowboys nation is 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.160 getting this Kyle Pitts or getting this offensive left tackle 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.679 or something like that, and that that just kind of 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.200 irks me because I'm like, man, do people still realize 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.800 we need defenses to win a championship and get far 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.840 in the playoffs? We need a champ or we need 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.400 a defense to that that can match our offensive power, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.600 and right now we don't have it. We don't have it. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.280 We don't have death pieces on any any line of 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.359 any line of defense you go along. We need death 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.440 pieces on the interior line, we need it at the 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.800 linebacker position, and we for sure needed in the secondaries. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.400 So for me, I just don't get all the offensive talk. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.000 But to each his own. Now, obviously, if you listen 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.840 to our Dallas Cowboys podcast network, and we have so 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.840 many different opinions on this, and you have some who 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.000 really do want offense. But for me, as I'm looking 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.720 at the draft process and looking at things that I'm 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.760 seeing in the media, more and more, we're not even 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.480 seeing Kyle Pitts mock to the Cowboys at tent. We're 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.320 not really seeing Kyle Pitts his fall off at about six. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.720 That's about the landing spot that I'm looking for him 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:33.360 right now. So honestly, Barry, while people can dream about 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.320 a Kyle Pitts, I keep coming to this and I say, 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.440 if Kyle Pitts is everything that people in the draft 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.520 process are saying he is, this kid doesn't go to ten. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.760 No way he gets to ten. And the teams that 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:52.080 are in front of the Cowboys clearly have a Kyle 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.520 Pitts need where they could plug him in and do 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.800 just fine. Cincinnati could plug him in there and do 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.280 just fine. The Miami Dolphins, their head coach, Brian Flores. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.240 Brian Flores was in New England. He was coaching linebackers 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.000 for a while in New England, so he was there 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.560 with Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski, and he's seen how 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.440 Bill Belichick has drafted tight ends highly and during his 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.040 tenure there. So I could see Miami being a landing spot. Detroit. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.760 Dan Campbell's a former tight end. I could see that 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.640 young man landing there. Carolina is ahead of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.920 I could see that. So there's spots where I just 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:31.880 see Kyle Pitts being able to land before the Cowboys 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.120 even get there. The Atlanta Falcons at four is a 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.760 spot if you talk about what's how high could he go? 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.320 The Atlanta Falcons in Matt Ryan. Some of Matt Ryan's 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.760 best years were when he had Tony Gonzalez there, So 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.039 there's that ability. If the Falcons decide that they don't 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.080 want to go to take a quarterback at four, I 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.799 want to stay there. So that's why I just believe 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.280 when you bring up Kyle Pitts, here's my thing, I'm 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.240 not gonna get mad anymore about it because I don't 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:01.279 see the guy being there, and I hope you're right, Nude, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.840 I hope you are right. I think the only one 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.960 I would disagree with is Cincinnati because we all know 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.479 they need help on that offensive line. They gotta get 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.719 somebody to protect Joe Burrow. He took a beating, a 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.320 severe beating last year, so I think they'll go to 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.680 the offensive line route. But all those other teams you 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.280 name are for sure candidates to go ahead and get 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.080 Kyle Pitts, And for me, I hope it happens. I 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.240 hope it happens, and I hope he's off the board 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.640 before we even get to number ten. Because that intrigue 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.359 that him just being there. I think it might be 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.640 a little bit too much pressure for the front office 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.640 up there in Dallas. They might just go ahead and 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.760 snag him and say, you know what, hey, we can 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.400 we can build on the strength. We can we can 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.960 make our office the ninety nine rams again, we can 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.560 go at it like that. So for me, I hope 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.600 and he's off the board early, so we don't even 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.200 get into that discussion of hey, we might be hight 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.680 with Kyle Pitts. I mean we are secondary we got now. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.240 I mean, shoot, we might be able to throw Kyle 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.320 Pitts in there. So for me, I just hope he's 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.400 off the board. I hope you are right, Knui. But 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.359 if he's there at ten, man, I can see us 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.200 pulling the trigger on him. I can see it happening. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.919 All right. Here's here's the dream scenario. Okay, when you 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.360 talk about the draft, in my mind, the top three 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.320 picks are going to be quarterbacks. All right, So we 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:19.080 got okay, so we've got those three teams taking quarterbacks, 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.400 meaning Jacksonville, the Jets, forty nine Ers Falcons start at four. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.400 I don't think the Falcons take quarterback at four, but 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.480 they trade to somebody who does so four quarterbacks boom 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.159 boo boo boo boo. Five Cincinnati takes Pine Seul the 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.560 offensive tackle. I'm with you, they need to protect the investment. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.120 Joe Burrow. Riley Reef is not the guy one out 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.679 there left tackle. If I'm Cincinnati and then it's six, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.760 the Miami Dolphins take Kyle Pitts, and now you gotta 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.600 tie in. You got a guy the two a tongue 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.760 of violoa can throw too, and you can go get 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.920 another receiver later on. You don't need to take Jamar Chase. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.280 So that to me, if if that happens, man, you're 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.600 in the clear, you're in the clear. You don't think 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.720 they would go You don't think they would go the 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.280 Bonte Smith route, you know, seeing they were old buddies 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.360 at Alabama and said all types of marks. You don't 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.159 think they would go that route instead of the Pitts route. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.280 I'm talking about the Dolphins. Yeah, And for me, when 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.200 I look at the Dolphins, I go back and just 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.640 wasn't I talk about the head coach and the head 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:23.040 coach understanding and seeing what a difference A Gronkowski and 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.880 a Aaron Hernandez made in some of their championship runs 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.520 with New England. So and what do you have the 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.800 opportunity to do what I should say, What's easier to 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.200 get another receiver who can help you and at that 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.720 with a tight end, or you take the receiver here 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.520 and then you're trying to find another tight end later. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.960 I think you can and bear you understand this because 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.480 you play the game. A lot of receivers are they 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.960 just do different things. I go back to Cede Lamb 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.720 where he be like, well, you know what, Kyle Pitts 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.200 could fall because Cede Lamb felt And I say, there's 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.680 a difference when you're talking about these tight ends and 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.200 a guy like Kyle pittss Titan versus Cede Lamb. Receivers 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:03.800 are like ice cream. Man. There's a whole lot of 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.200 different flavors. The first receiver off the board was Henry Ruggs. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.920 None of us, none of us thought Henry Ruggs would 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.320 be the first guy off the board, but you know 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.640 what he was the flavor John Gruten wanted. John Gruten 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.600 is thinking to himself, I want Tyreek Hill. I want 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.680 Tyreek Hill. Two point Yeah. So when we look at 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.520 these receivers, they all fit differently. And actually it was 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.520 it was something that my buddy Chris Landry at Landry 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.680 football dot com. And Chris used to draft for the 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:35.160 Tennessee Titans, and and and he spoke about how receivers 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.560 are just different. Do you want a guy who's a X, 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.199 Y Z, you know, and what kind of system are 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.800 you running. So while everyone pretty much said Cede Lamb 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.920 was the number one ranked wide receiver last year, he 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.440 wasn't the first second guy take it at all. It 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.400 comes down to what do you want in your offense. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.440 John Gruten didn't see Cede Lamb as the fit for 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.959 his offense as much as he saw Henry Ruggs. There's 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.120 different receiver, Jamar Chase all right there, right, Jamar Chase 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.120 is a man. I mean, there's a big old dude 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.040 right here. But there may be a team that says, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.320 we already have somebody similar to him. We don't want it. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:12.960 We want a different guy. We want a speed guy. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.559 All right. Take Philip Philadelphia for instance. Philly's got Jalen Reagor. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:21.480 This is a fast kid. So Philly's yeah, hey, we 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.760 would love to have a Jamar chase next to the 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.160 speed guy. So that's why I say just comes down 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.280 into just different flavors. But overall, when you talk about 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.080 the tight end and Kyle Pitts, well, that's the guy. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.360 You know, that's the guy. He's the vanilla. He's he's 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.640 a beautiful French vanilla in terms of you can make 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:40.480 him match with anything. He's gonna match with anything. He's 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.520 a Swiss army knife. I mean, like like you said, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.720 he can he can line up after in line tight 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.320 end position and work against linebackers and safeties. You can 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.520 line them up at the slot position and he can 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.160 outrun nickels and kind of body nickels out of there, 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:53.839 and then you can line them up out wide. I mean, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.920 we've seen what he can do two corners at the 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.400 highest level, at the college level. So for me, like 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.280 you said, this guy's a Swiss Army knie, and I 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.559 can see where you can go ahead and get him 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.360 instead of going to get a receiver, because he can 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.480 do so many more things than just your receiver. Because 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.599 you can receiver, you're either locked into the slot or 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.880 you're locked into the outside receiver. But with him, you 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.440 can put him at age back, you can put him 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.040 at tight end, you can put him at slot or 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.520 outside receiver. So for me, Kyle Pitts is like that 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.320 Swiss army knife. He's very versatile, and like I said 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.480 before earlier, I hope he gets off the board because 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.000 I'm telling you, if he could, if he drops down 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.240 to ten, all those things I mentioned, they're just gonna 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.920 keep accumulating these guys brains and they're gonna be like, man, 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.040 you know what, They're gonna tack themselves into this Kyle 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.560 Pitts pick. So for me, I hope he's off the board. Man. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.199 I hope you're right and the Miami Dolphins, Caroline or 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.240 somebody takes him off the board before he gets a 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.800 chance to maybe fall into Jerry's lap. All right, do 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.760 let me just ask this question to you really quick. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.640 Don't dick, dick, just just name who are the top 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.160 four receivers okay in your mind in the national footballing 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.080 and not any particular but it's getting here. When you 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.280 think of your top four guys, who are there? Ups 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.160 Off the top of my head, top four guys, I'm 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:06.160 going Davante Adams, the Ante Adams, Julio Jones, Hopkins and 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.079 maybe Stefan Diggs. That's just off the top of my head, 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.880 without you know, to think it too much into it. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:13.400 and perfect. And this is why I was just gonna 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.320 say two of those and you had the same ones 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.319 that I had a top of my head. Two of 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.000 them first round picks and the other two were not. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.720 So you can find guys later on as far as 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.680 white receivers who fit exactly what you want. So to me, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.600 that's why I come back to this whole Kyle Pitts deal. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.679 If I'm a team like Miami and I've got a 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.959 I got a receiver need, I'll go ahead and take 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.920 Kyle Pitts and I can figure out the other receivers 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.640 and get somebody a little bit. I got a better 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.240 shot of funding and Davantae Adams or Stefan Digs in 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.960 round two than I do a Kyle Pitts in round 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.320 two or three later on. That that's kind of my saying. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:51.640 That's why I leave Kyle Pittston fall at ten. Yeah, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.560 like you said, I'm working with there. With you, I 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.200 don't think he'll fall the ten because, like you said, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:57.760 you got you got the dolphins, right, there, you got 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.440 the Carolina Panthers, who are in knee of kind of 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.240 an injection of juice on that offensive side of the ball. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.079 I mean, I know they got Christian McCaffrey out there, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.720 but and Robbie Anderson, but you need that third piece 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.640 in there. So I think there's definitely teams out there 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.400 that can go ahead and get him and scoop him 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.520 up before the Dallas Cowboys have a chance to get there. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.400 So I'm not really worried about him falling. But to 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.320 get back to your original original question, that just kind 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.760 of irped me a little bit, just just how how 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.960 fans and how how teams are just kind of let's 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.200 kick the can on the defense. We'll find depth later 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.240 on in the draft and defensive side of the ball. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.640 And then when we play bad, and when we're historically 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.360 bad on the defensive siety, you want to get all 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.040 on the players case and say, oh, we don't have 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.959 any talent and we don't well, we had a chance 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.959 to add that talent defensively in the draft and we 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.280 chose to go offense. So that's that's the kind of 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.040 thing that kind of ticks me a little bit. But hey, man, 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.960 like I said, I'm hoping we go defense movie. That's 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.679 all I gotta do. I gotta hope we go defense. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.120 Here's what irks me about the draft process and just 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:59.760 listening to fans is the willingness to just say, hey, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.640 trade out of ten. And this is what I'm thinking 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.120 right now. Obviously, come draft Day, we're gonna find out 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.160 how we've been lied to a lot. Okay, we're gonna 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.480 find out, Wenna lie because every draft day we see surprises. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.600 Nobody had Mittel Trubisky being traded up and going number 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.640 two in the draft, but the Bears kept it under wraps. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.679 I remember when Dallas had the number four pick and 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.280 ended up taking Ezekiel Elliott. The number three pick was 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.040 Joey Bosa, and no one was talking about Joey Bosa 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.720 to the Chargers, but Ton Talesco, their GM had he 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.880 had eyed on Bosa all day long than that was 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.920 going to be the guy. So we're going to see 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.200 some things that happened. But for me, the fact that 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.120 the Cowboys will most likely be able to take a 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.839 blue chip player, defensive player at ten and people want 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.960 to get out of that I find maddening because you've 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:57.080 earned this tenth pick overall the draft. You've earned it. Yeah, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.440 hope not to be there again. So take a piece 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.439 and try to get a blue chit piece. I think 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.800 about Tyrn Smith number nine overall for the Cowboys, Ezekiel 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.480 Elliott number four overall for the Cowboys. They took guys 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.280 who fit the profile coming out of college. They were 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.640 very good football players. They were worth the pick, and 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.560 the results from both players, in my opinion, made the 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.720 pick worth it. These guys, Ezekiel Elliott and becoming a 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.160 rushing leader. You've got all decade team for Tyrant Smith. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.160 I mean, that's what you hope to get out of 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.720 the tenth pick. And right now I keep seeing Patrick 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.320 Sutan mock to the Cowboys at ten, and if the 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.400 Cowboys can get that player at ten, don't trade down. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.720 Just sit right there and take a player whose dad 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.520 played the National Football League, a guy who stepped on 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.280 the campus at Tuscaloosa, Alabama to play for Nick Saban, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.600 to start it from day one. Nick Saban is a 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.600 defensive backs coach. That's what he played at Kent State. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.360 That's his specialty. So you know he was coach hard. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.960 He was an All American player He's an SEC Defensive 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.040 Player of the Year. He was a better player at 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.440 Alabama than Trevon Diggs, and many people say Trevon Diggs 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.920 is the best corner right now on the Dallas Cowboys. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.400 To me, this is not a hard thing to do. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.400 It's really simple the resident to me, and I don't 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.120 know about you, Barry, because you played this league. So 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.640 you tell me. If they did it in college, they 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.680 had the opportunity to do it in the pros. If 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.760 they didn't do it in college, then I'm gonna wonder 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.320 how much can they really do it in the pros. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.680 This guy's resume is as clean to me as it 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.680 gets to be a player in this league worth Oh yeah, 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.520 And you know how I thought about this guy since 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.520 day one. I mean, he's been my you know, I 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.760 need this guy at number ten since we knew the 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.640 draft slot we were gonna get. So I've been on 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.320 the train as far as certain since the beginning. For me, though, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.040 when it comes down and I agree with you on 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.640 those blue chip prospects, because look at what we added 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.840 to our offense. Like you said, Ezekiel Elliott, he was 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.800 a blue chip guy. Last time we were able to 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.640 pick that high we picked him, and look what he's become. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.200 I mean, he was the engine for our offense for 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.240 three four years. I mean now I'm starting to, you know, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.200 pass the torch. I'm not sure if that's a good 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.000 idea that we give the full reins to Dak Prescott. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.360 But this guy, at the beginning, he was the engine 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.160 that could. He was the engine that got us rolling. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.720 And Tyron Smith and all those blue chip prospects on 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.040 the offensive side of the ball made us into one 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.400 of those offensive powerhouses. So just imagine if we were 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.960 to take that same philosophy to the defensive side of 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.200 the ball and like you said, started adding these blue 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.000 chip prospects to it, I think it'll around our defense. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.520 Around it, we could become a better team. I mean, 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.640 we got to be much better than we were last 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.400 year with that historically bad defense. So I'm right there, 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.840 which you KNEWI I push a little bit back on 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.920 that trade back scenario, and I'm sure we'll get into 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.040 that later on in the show. If our two guys 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.240 aren't there in the draft, and then maybe we do 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.280 trade back a little bit, but we'll discuss that. But overall, 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.200 I'm with you. I think we need well, that is 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.840 that's definitely where I was going to get into next. 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.960 So if Patrick's er ten and JC Horne aren't there, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.680 what do you do. We'll do that after the break, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.160 But I want to say this one thing before we 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.520 go to break. When you start talking about the cost 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:06.040 of NFL players, quarterbacks cost you. Edge Rusher's cost you, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.760 cornerbacks cost you. I mean these are when you start 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.520 talking about premium spots. In order to get top notch players. 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.160 The cost is high in free agency, so you need 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.520 to get them in the draft. That is why I 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.919 am looking at a corner is gonna cost you. We 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.840 saw what Miami paid to take Byron Jones away from 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.639 the Cowboys, made in the highest paid corner in the game. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.800 And with all due respect, we like Byron as a player. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.320 We think he's an outstanding man. But Byron is not 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.119 the best corner in the National Football League. But he 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.960 got paid the highest price because these players are in demand. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.399 And that's something I hope Cowboy fans start to realize 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.920 for those who've been pushing back against the corner is hey, 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.080 look if you get a blue chip one, look at 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.480 what Jalen Ramsey has been You look at Jalen Ramsey's 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.800 been in his time. If you played with him at 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.399 Jacksonville and the Rams, Man, this guy's been all that. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.320 You look at his resume. Okay, I challenge anybody look 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.119 at Jalen's asume coming out of Florida State. You go 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.920 match that same resume with Patrick's Curtan. You talk about 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.200 guys who both started for the day they got on campus, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.199 guys who were part of national championship teams in the 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.720 best quarterback on those defenses. Here there's a whole lot 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.320 where these guys match up. Man, and now Jalen's a 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.920 bigger player. But I'm just talking about the resume overall. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.040 I'm not saying he's gonna be Jalen Ramsey. But when 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.760 Jalen Ramsey came out, he checked off so many boxes 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.240 that said, yeah, this is what we want. And I 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.480 feel like Curtan does that same thing Church. I feel 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.080 like he does. And it's like and as a corner 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.400 that has those abilities, those lockdown abilities, it's not all 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.640 about interceptions. I mean, I know a lot of fans 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.080 out there they go, oh, he doesn't get the ball 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.040 that much, he doesn't take the ball away. But when 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.919 you have a corner out there that can literally shut 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.720 down their top receiver or shut down a half of 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.280 the field. That makes the rest of the defense that 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.000 much easier, especially as a safety, you don't even have 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.760 to worry about that side. And as a defensive coordinator 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.080 like Dan Quinn, if you got a guy who's shut 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.600 down out there like that, you can do so many 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.199 more things with your defense. You can blitz more, you 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.800 can have help to other needs on the defensive side 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:05.359 of the ball. So to me, it's not all about 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.800 just interceptions and can he get his hands on the ball? 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.320 Is he the guy that can go out there and 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.240 shut down I think that's what Stan can be, especially 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.320 with that pedigree with his dad playing in the league, 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.760 playing at Alabama under Nick Saban, and we know what 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.760