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Speaker 1: and losers out there? You are listening to Stradio Lab,

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Speaker 1: the only podcast about gay guys for gay guys. I

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Speaker 1: think I did that one wrong, but it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: have we ever done it right? Is there real question? No?

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is such a thing as right

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Speaker 1: I mean, what what's next. We're gonna speak grading podcasts.

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Speaker 1: right and wrong is um? I know this sounds almost Trumpian,

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Speaker 1: it was built in such a way that it encouraged nuance,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise you're otherwise you are masqurading as a nuance

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Speaker 1: So for this app there will have to be sort

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Speaker 1: you might enjoy watching the Annual Grammy Awards this Sunday,

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Speaker 1: hosted by Dua Lipa. But what I wanted to run

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Speaker 1: about how it works. You just have to pick one.

424
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: And it's and it's just two straight things. Okay, Sam,

425
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: take it away? You know me? A recipe for disaster

426
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: or a recipe for tacos al pastor a recipe for disaster? Okay,

427
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: Warby Parker or Travis Barker, Travis Barker, Okay, nevill long Bottom,

428
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: Peter Pettigrew or new to King Rich, Oh my god,

429
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: never long Bottom, the human stain, the human condition, or

430
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: the human centipede. Probably the human stain. Okay, Lisa Frank,

431
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Lisa Lope or Lis a brand new Alexis Lisa Lope,

432
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: Olivia Wilde, Olivia Munn or Activia Yogurt Olivia Wilde. Uh.

433
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, or she

434
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: had them apple bottom jeans. She had the apple Buttom Jeane, Okay,

435
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: no me, your final question the autopsy, the autopsy was

436
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: inconclusive or the nineties sitcom was not inclusive? Autopsy was inconclusive.

437
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: Good joy, Wow, that's so funny. Um, well, George, where

438
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: do we stand currently on rating our guests? I know

439
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: we go back and forth with this. I have to

440
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: say my instinct what I look for, and this is

441
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: kind of like how I don't believe in right and wrong.

442
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: I only believe in nuance. What I look for with

443
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: these answers is confidence over anything else. And I got

444
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: that from no me. Like we you know, so often

445
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: people insist on asking us follow up questions or kind

446
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: of freeze with the pressure. But I thought I thought

447
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: it was correct. I give you three chromatica oreos. Oh wow,

448
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: I've been meaning to try those. You know, I actually appropriation? Yes,

449
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: no me? And actually we're done here interview over? Do you?

450
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: Where do we stand on like kind of um, you

451
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: know memes like that, Like I'm like, yeah, Like, am

452
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: I done with? Like? Is it funny to me? I

453
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: can't tell. I can't tell. I like the you know,

454
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: snail snail, snake eating its own tail element of it.

455
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I think it's like so lazy and kind of bad

456
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: that it's getting fun again in like a backwards way. Right.

457
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: It almost feels like the critique of capitalism is built

458
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: into the capitalist endeavor with the release of grammatical oreos. Yeah,

459
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: there's a darkness that I like that is funny. Um,

460
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, know me, where do you stand? I mean,

461
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: I you know, at this point, it's like we're so

462
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: deep in that it just seems like why not be

463
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: like pigs and ship? Yeah, all with this, at least

464
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: with this. But but that's the thing though, That's the thing.

465
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: It's like, is this just another Emily in Paris? And

466
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: that's the thing though. Can I say something, you guys

467
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: know that I haven't watched Emily in Paris. I did

468
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: not know that. I mean, you haven't. I haven't. I

469
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: mean not just the cultural critic, but as of recently

470
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: a specifically a TV critic occasionally right, although this was

471
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: before I'm thinking about TV over the years. But um, yeah,

472
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, yes, I mean maybe I need

473
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: to you know what, Maybe I'll come to it season two.

474
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: I'll come to it fresh, you know what I mean.

475
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: And then like we're past all the hubbub. We're like,

476
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, the memes, the complaints that I can't believe

477
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm watching this, but I can't stop, you know, And

478
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: then I come to it fresh and I look at

479
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: it like a beautiful Grecian urn. Right, you just do

480
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: a simple textual analysis, as though you've never heard of

481
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: any of the conversation. I know nothing. I don't know

482
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: what Paris is. I've never heard the name Emily. Yeah. Yeah,

483
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: it would be funny if your review hinged on kind

484
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: of discovering what Paris is through this series. You know

485
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: who knows. It's like they're they're giving me a platform now,

486
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: and I might as well do something new with it. Yes, yes,

487
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: for once, I would like to see something new in

488
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: The New Yorker for once, for once giving it to

489
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: someone who has never heard The New Yorker takes a

490
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: bold stampt by giving a column to someone who has

491
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: never heard of the city of Paris. I mean, it's

492
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: the perspective we need right now. We need a fresh

493
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: look at Paris, I mean a fresh look at Emily

494
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: and how the too interact. Okay, but I do think

495
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: that the premise of Emily in Paris is like we

496
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: need a fresh person inspective, someone that's an idiot. Like

497
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: that's literally the point. That's like the plot of Emily

498
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: in Paris. It's like she goes there and she's like,

499
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: you think I'm an idiot, Well yeah, I am jealous,

500
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like, you know, like it's a voice

501
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: we need now show in the world. I I feel, okay,

502
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: the chromatica Oreo is not the Emily in Paris of

503
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: of Next snaxt because it's I feel like it's funny

504
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: on purpose, Like it's like obviously still a ploy to

505
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: like make money, as is everything in this world, but

506
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: it's like a little bit purposefully stupid, I think, and

507
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: I feel like Emily in Paris, like Darren Starr was like,

508
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: this is gonna fucking crush, Like this is the smartest

509
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: ship in the whole wide world. I want to say.

510
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I think, no, me, You're very good at sniffing out

511
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: of these border cases of like is this is this

512
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: ironic or is this not ironic? Is this like a

513
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: commentary or is this like a desperate ploy for publicity?

514
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Like I think you're good at sniffing out which ones

515
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: are which ones have some heft to them. I feel like, well,

516
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: certainly it doesn't have heft um and it's certainly not

517
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: a critique. Um, but I think, you know, like everything,

518
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's kind of funny because Gaga

519
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: is like really serious ultimately, you know, she's fun like

520
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: she's a pop star obviously in but she is very

521
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: serious even when she's like, you know, singing like one

522
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: of her songs that are like, you know, bops, I'm

523
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: not not necessarily like you know, not necessarily like Joanne

524
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: of course, or like you know, a spar as Born

525
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: or something. But even the ones that are you know,

526
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: pure pop, it's always delivered with a kind of like razor,

527
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Like it's just like the focus is like, um, and

528
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: so I think it is kind of funny for her

529
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: to do like a cookie, the channel that energy into

530
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: a cookie. Yeah it's I mean, so it is in

531
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: that sense, it's fun and funny, but also clearly like

532
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: a ploy. So yeah, um yeah. There. It also is

533
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: like it is something about it's like a pop move

534
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: from the past, Like it feels like from like a

535
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: different era like the eighties or something where it's like

536
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: it's funny that it's coming out like amidst amidst covid

537
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: as the Daily Mail add yeah, um, because like whoh,

538
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, people are like dying like flies. There's

539
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: like literally a plague and we're like, now more than

540
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: ever we need that neon pink cookie. Um. But I

541
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: will caution that since I haven't tried to cook keys

542
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: and I haven't even held them, you know, felt felter texture, um,

543
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of way them in my palm, you know, kind

544
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: of you know, feel being with the cookie. I haven't

545
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: been with the cookie. I I don't know that I

546
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: can make a full assessment, a fair assessment. Well, yeah,

547
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: because there is the as with everything, there's the idea

548
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: of it and then in practice it's you do actually

549
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: have to eat it, yeah right, And you know, and

550
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: oreos in general are interesting because it is I mean,

551
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: for someone, George, tell me if you've this, is that

552
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: the sounds like uh kind of familiar to you or not.

553
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: But you know there were when I I mean, I'm

554
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: older than you. But when I, as a child, came

555
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: to America in the eighties from Israel, um and the cookie.

556
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: The most American cookies for me were oreos and chips ahoy,

557
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: like the two bad There was crinkling like loud like

558
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: bags that you would kind of slide the thing, the

559
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: little like plastic tray from out of and the cookies

560
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: would be like completely uniform, you know, which is not

561
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: the way of cookies, Like that's not how cookie. But

562
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: they were. They were like soldiers, you know, and they

563
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: would kind of like find their way into your mouth somehow,

564
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: and it was you usually ate too much, and it

565
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: was like your mouth was filled to the brim with

566
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: like chemicals and it was like just this like orgasmic

567
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: pre orgasmic um feeling of plenitude, but also like you

568
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: were gonna like you were going to choke, like you

569
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: were on the verge of some Yes, yeah, no, it's

570
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: it's like your your mouth is full of sand. Yeah yeah,

571
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: it's just but it's chocolate flavor chocolate, and there's the

572
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: cream and the biscuit and the cream and it's like

573
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: so chemically but it's so wonderful. So so oreos in

574
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: and of themselves are kind of like I don't I

575
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: don't know when they started making oreos, but I met

576
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: them in the eighties. I'm sure they were earlier than that.

577
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Um And so for me, that stood for like you

578
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: know America. Yeah, so it's it's also like it is

579
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: it's like should it's um how do I put like

580
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: it is something that is so artificial, but it is

581
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: part of deeply part of American culture in a way

582
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: that in a different country it would be something like

583
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: that actually arose from the people. So it's like someone

584
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: will be like the best way to yeah, it's like

585
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: the best way to eat oreos is to like take

586
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: out the top part and then lick the cream. And

587
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: it's saying it as though it's this like kind of um,

588
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: as though it's this from father to son exactly exactly. Yeah,

589
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: it's like it's like instilling it with this kind of

590
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: authenticity that like it just have because it is a

591
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: cookie made by Nibisco or I don't know Nibisco even

592
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: the name Nibisco. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like can it

593
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: be any more artificial? Yeah, So so I think so

594
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: the choice, you know, because I would assume that Gaga

595
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: could have had you know, like I remember when kind

596
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: of like boutique cookies started coming into the market, So

597
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: of course now there's like super like kind of high

598
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: end Foe or Tisanal or really or Tisanal cookies that

599
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: you can buy and they're like expensive and like a

600
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: specific but even like when Pepperidge Farm, for me, Pepperage

601
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: Farm Milanos with their scent were huge, with their scent

602
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: of international travel, you know, with their milanos were the

603
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: original Emily in Paris because it's like an American cookie

604
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: that studied abroad. Yes, exactly, exactly, so you know, and

605
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: then there were all of these, like you know, there

606
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: were milanos, and then there were like whatever else they had,

607
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: like was like Geneva. I don't know, I think they

608
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: do have Geneva, Yes, yes, um, so that's a that's

609
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: a whole other kettle of fish. But Gaga, you know,

610
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: she went with the gold. She went with the classic, right.

611
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: I think the saying talking about it being in COVID

612
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: is an interesting detail because I feel like in a

613
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: normal time, normal time when there's not a plague, I

614
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: would maybe scoff more at it. But because there is

615
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: like nothing, I have nothing to look forward to. There's

616
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: something exciting, like the Gaga Oreo is kind of the

617
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: only thing that I it can be like, Okay, time

618
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: is passing things, like culture is changing, even though it's

619
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: not in the ways we're used to write. And also

620
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: it's interesting that it's like coming it kind of like

621
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: I would say, what's kind of like a harbinger of

622
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: like the Biden administration because the CHROMATICA era in general,

623
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: well the CHROMATICA, but the Chromatic A cookie, you know,

624
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: like to like three weeks later, she's on stage of

625
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: the inauguration, you know, making us all sob as she

626
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: as she sings the American anthem. There's something about making

627
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: something more. It's very Biden era to make take an

628
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Oreo cookie, which is the American project, and make it more,

629
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: make it more physically interesting, but less delicious? Is it

630
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: less delicious? I have tasted them and are and how

631
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: are they? They tasted very average. They weren't chocolate there

632
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Speaker 1: like a vanilla cookie, okay, biscuit. Yeah, and then the cream.

633
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: How about the cream. I think it's normal vanilla cream.

634
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: So it's like the Graham Cracker or or the like

635
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: white Oreos. Yeah, it's kind of like the white Oreo. Interesting. Interesting.

636
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was crunchier in order to get

637
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: that design in there. It's you know, it's interesting because

638
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: it's like the it's it's um with Oreos. It is

639
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: the case that the form is the most important component, right,

640
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: because it's like no matter you know, you have the

641
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: same patties the like. Seriously, when it's like green, you

642
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: know you go to the supermarket that the stuff you

643
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: get there is like insane and form wise, the most

644
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: like variety that you get is like the double stuff

645
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: or the fit you know, so it might be smaller,

646
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: it might be bigger or the mini bites, but the

647
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: oreo is an Oreo. It's an icon like that. Yeah. Well,

648
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: like right, It's like there are different eras of Gaga,

649
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: but at her core she is Stephanie. She stuff in

650
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: the Germanato germanata. Yeah, um okay, yeah. I did want

651
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: to say also about the things being Biden era. Um,

652
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: we we talked about the what our predictions for the

653
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: Biden era, That's right. I said, like, I you can't

654
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: have firework come out again? And I thought it was

655
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: such an interesting choice when she had firework saying at

656
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: Hady Perry saying, Sam, you got so excited that you

657
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: couldn't finish that sentence when he had firework. So we

658
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: were like, we were like, how do you how do

659
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: you repeat Obama era but with less excitement? I mean,

660
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: how do you repeat Obama era? It's like, how do

661
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: you repeat Obama era? But right, but have even symbolically

662
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: have the person at the head be literally Obama's old

663
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: white vice president, Like, how do you do that? And

664
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: so Sam was like, well, you can't release firework again?

665
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: And literally then the next week they had her performed

666
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: Firework at the Capitol. I mean, I mean she gave

667
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: she gave a great performance. So I got to give

668
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: a big shout out to her for that. I don't know,

669
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: I can't get into this right now, but we're in

670
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: the group chat of all gays that Sam and I are,

671
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: and people were like talking about how Katie Perry has

672
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: such good albums and I was like, what are you

673
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: talking like to meet Katie Perry is like the definition

674
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: of pop mediocrity. No, we can't get into it, you know,

675
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: I'll just say one thing for for me, it all

676
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: went downhill for her when she cut her hair much

677
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But we can't get wait,

678
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: can't We just can't use the topic. Um A good,

679
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: A good let's see forty seven minutes to that cookie

680
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: conversation was amazing, and I think it's val I mean,

681
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: that's but this is what this is like. It's a

682
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: difficult for me to articulate. But what makes Nomi's mind

683
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: so uh unique and powerful is that that so many

684
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: people think, Okay, I'm going to form this sentence. So

685
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: many people think that a topic like the chromatical oreo

686
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: is simple enough that it's so easy to make a

687
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: kind of postmodern point about it. But only a few

688
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: people can actually do that well, And I think that's wonderful.

689
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, congrats you just one of your first writing awards.

690
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: George Sais Stradio lab I'm serious. Also, wait, can I

691
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: say something that I just realized. This is our second

692
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: episode in a row with someone who has written a

693
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: long form piece about Ben Affleck. That's true, Josh Josh

694
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Gondelman have also recently wrote wrote one. Yeah, but that's

695
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: that's another example. It's like that people writing about Ben

696
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: Affleck's bag tattoo. It's like everyone thinks they can do

697
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: that because they're like, oh, it's inherently funny. All I

698
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: have to do is be like it looks stupid, but no,

699
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: not everyone can do it. Um, let's get into our topic.

700
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: Let's get into our topic. Um. And and so you

701
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, but behind a backstage. Um, you know you

702
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: two feuded a little. Uh sorry, I just want to

703
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: say I am no Me, I'm This is exactly kind

704
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: of thing where I'm making a mental note of the

705
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: things I'm going to apologize for via text when this

706
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: is over. My weird comments about like your Israeli background,

707
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: my weird comments about your award winning about the award

708
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: or lack of award. You've done nothing wrong, Okay, You've

709
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: done nothing. Just know that I'm keeping drag. Okay, okay, okay,

710
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: but say I'm go ahead. So well, I was just

711
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: wonder you guys kind of want to unpack the sort

712
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: of the drama that did happen between you two, because

713
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, no Me did come with a topic that's right,

714
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: Um no, do you want to sort of talk about

715
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: what happened? Well, yes, I'll talk about what happened. I'm

716
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna break it, break it down for the listeners. Uh,

717
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: George asked me beforehand, I should said, I should think

718
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: of a straight topic to discuss. Oh, there's my cat.

719
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: I guess cats would be a good straight topic. Yeah,

720
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: we just did dogs, but cats would also be very

721
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: looking at him. He's so good, he is very beautiful.

722
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: Hi gingee. Sorry, um so, I you know how to think,

723
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: as the British say, and I said, how about we

724
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: do the red Hot Chili Peppers, which is a kind

725
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: of like when I went on Io and Olivia's podcast,

726
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: I did Jim Morrison, which is one kind of it's

727
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: that's the alpha, and then the Red Hot Chili Peppers

728
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: or the Omega for me. And Andrew said, oh, that

729
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: sounds like that sounds like a good idea. But then

730
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: coming here, I was blindsided at I was attacked when

731
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: George suddenly, with no preamble, said we're not doing the

732
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Peppers. Were doing matchmaking because you're a

733
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: matchmaker and maybe we can talk about that. And I said, oh, well,

734
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: if you think that's best, and and then George was like, Sam,

735
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: what do you think it's It turned into a whole thing.

736
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: It was a whole And you know, I'm scared because

737
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: on the one hand, I have my co host who

738
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I have to work with for who knows how long.

739
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: This is an indefinite project, and then and then on

740
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the other there's no plan of stopping anytime soon. And

741
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. I mean, if if we had

742
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: a plan to stop after this episode. I would have

743
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: really said how I feel to George and one day

744
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I will uh and you know, and on the other hand,

745
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: there's no me who I'm just meeting for the first time.

746
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to be rude, and so I'm like,

747
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: it's a delicate dance. Yeah. So I'm just I'm stuck

748
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: between a rock and a hard place, both of you.

749
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, I have such strong opinions about both of

750
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: these topics, and so I just said, hey, whatever you

751
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: guys want, you know, whatever works well. I wanted to

752
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: add the you know, you know, to kind of be

753
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: realistic about my own flaws. There's a third there's a

754
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: next step to this, which is that after I suggested

755
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: this topic, I then backtracked. You said that pedaled yes, um,

756
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: and said, you know, because I thought, I said, you know,

757
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I want to do this

758
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: topic is because Noomi set me up with the person

759
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: I am dating, and so I thought it would be

760
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: a good personal way into the topic. But then I said,

761
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: oh wait, no, I don't want I don't want to

762
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: talk about my personal life on the podcast. So then

763
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: we were left at the standstill of like Okay, well,

764
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: what the funk do you want? Then it was an impasse. Yeah,

765
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: it was an impass and and I still and I

766
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: still don't know. But we can talk about matchmaking, George. Well,

767
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: my thing with matchmaking, and which I think relates to

768
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: things we were talking about before, is like you seamlessly

769
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: having these different being part of these different communities and

770
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: different friends groups. I think lends itself well to matchmaking

771
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: because you maybe will set two people up that are

772
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: just adjacent enough that they maybe wouldn't have met each

773
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: other otherwise. Oh that's a that's an interesting point. Right,

774
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: So I could say set up like, um, I don't know,

775
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: like Ella m Hoff and uh now I can't even think.

776
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: But but and then one of the guys from online ceramics,

777
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: right right, I mean, who knows and they might get along? Great?

778
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: Are the online ceramics guys single? Nope? Okay, finally, wow,

779
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: we need to think of I think Ella m Hoff

780
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: is the perfect first part of that set up. As

781
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: in terms of people you would set up, I think Ella,

782
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: although I should say that I don't know if Ella is,

783
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: if she is, is she gay? Is she straight? I mean,

784
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: this is a perfect question for this podcast. I guess,

785
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know the answer. Maybe she is by

786
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: she was queer until she was signed by IMG Models. Yeah,

787
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: I think somebody's got to Their policy of don't ask,

788
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: don't tell while sexy is just unacceptable. Now, what if

789
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: I AMG Models had a policy of don't ask him

790
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: tell was revealed to be incredibly homophobic. It's signed to

791
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: the sharp the modeling industry. Yes, well, so you do

792
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: match make often I do. I try, and sometimes I succeed,

793
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: like in George's case. Yes, we don't have to talk

794
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, but it's been over a year, and

795
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: I was the I was the magician behind the curtain.

796
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: It just occurred to me. It came to me as

797
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: if in a dream. And I said, and I asked them,

798
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 1: but they knew of each other, they didn't know each other,

799
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: and um, but they said, oh, he looks cute. Both

800
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: of them said that I did say that, and then

801
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: and I stand by it. Yeah, and guess what, I

802
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: stand by it, and and the rest and the rest

803
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: is history. So you know, there are cases like this.

804
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: There's another case in which my dear friend Claire, who

805
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: lives in San Francisco. Uh, this was a long time ago.

806
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: This was like ten years ago. Maybe she was single

807
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: and then another like some I asked friends of mine

808
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: who went to school in Berkeley, I said, do you

809
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: know anyone from San Francisco who's single? Because Claire is single.

810
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know people in San Francisco. And they said, oh,

811
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: there's this guy who has just got divorced. And I said, oh,

812
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: so maybe let me ask her. Maybe you asked him,

813
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: I'll ask her. Um. And they're married and have two

814
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: kids now, and that's one of the two marriages. That

815
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: there's another marriage where I should know it. Actually that's

816
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: not They met through me, but it wasn't at my

817
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: but but they met because we were all friends, but

818
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: they didn't know each other, so that that's not as

819
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: But yes, they're married now and have two kids. But

820
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: meeting through you, you mean it wasn't. It wasn't a setup.

821
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't like an set up. They happened. We were

822
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: out of social function. Yeah, I have a will you

823
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: consider um, well you consider George's um relationship? Uh will

824
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: it only be counted as a success when he is married?

825
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, why if you were like, yes, I am

826
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: against gay marriage. Uh so in fact, in staying not

827
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, unmarried. In fact, that was the one condition,

828
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: that was the one condition for the set up. I

829
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: was like said, just please be respectful of my anti

830
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: gay marriage stands and don't get married. But like, I'm

831
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: okay with the gays, like whatever, you know, but I

832
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: am you are deeply evangelical. Yes, So I have a

833
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: question for you know me, and I think I'm very

834
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: proud of myself for coming up with this question. If

835
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: you could set up any two public figures anywhere in culture,

836
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: who would they be like with each other? With each other? Oh? Wow,

837
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: that's like really really hard. Do they have to be

838
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: currently single? George? Um, let's say, let's say no, Sam,

839
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: do you have an answer for this? I'll think about

840
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: it too. This is really hard. I know, I don't

841
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: know why. I would love to set up my friend

842
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: John Mayor with the love of his life, but I

843
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: can't say that. I know. I'm sorry, not not just

844
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: she's not just friends with him, she like you know,

845
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to bring it up because I

846
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: don't know how public you are about it, but very

847
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: publicly forced myself on him. Yeah, and you go, you know, yes,

848
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: but what we're friends Yeah, I've been to his house.

849
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: I guess it's been like three kind is that one? So?

850
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: How did that start? I really was very proactive about it,

851
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: and I like trolled him publicly for years until until

852
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: he couldn't I mean, he just gave him an offer

853
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: you couldn't refuse. But who do you think? I'm sorry

854
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: to push on this. Who do you think would be

855
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: good for him? That's a really good question. Yeah, who

856
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: would I set him up with? Like I would love

857
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: for him to date someone, like who would it be? Like?

858
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: I have to say, I haven't thought about this actively

859
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: because I think I feel and it's it's a tall order.

860
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm capable of doing that. Um,

861
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: I like how I can't remember a single woman? No,

862
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm going to go on the spot. This

863
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: is I always struggle with on the spot questions. Yeah,

864
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: I know you, I mean start fine, it's like when

865
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I have to remember people and like, you know, I'm

866
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: like wait, who, Like who's who's now? Like a person

867
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: who's in the spotlight? You know, do you feel like

868
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: you would do well with another you know, he did

869
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: a lot of famous women another famous women? Or do

870
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: you think I feel like maybe it would be good

871
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: for him to date someone who is like powerful, you know,

872
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: like a person in their own right who has their

873
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: own thing going on and has a familiarity with like

874
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: the world of like media and celebrities. But maybe not

875
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: like a really famous person. Like what if it's like

876
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: a powerful agent or something I don't know, maybe yeah,

877
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: or like I don't know, a fashion person. Yeah. I

878
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: was thinking for some reason, I was like, this is

879
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: so stupid. But I was like the head of the

880
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: Lincoln Center, which makes it's like really upper west Side,

881
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: you're trying to class actually not at all with vibes. Yeah,

882
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: but maybe it could be something like out of left field,

883
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: Like maybe it will be like a ranch hand, like

884
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: a woman ranch hand who like is like has like

885
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: a small brand of like tooled leather products. Mm hmmm,

886
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: well that's that's giving me very Um. Both Nick Kroll

887
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: and John mulaney are married to kind of artisan or

888
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: like artistic Yeah, like maybe someone artistic um and yeah,

889
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: and someone who's maybe a little bit like like the outdoors,

890
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: like a rugged you know, he does have property in Montana,

891
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: so so you know, someone like that, maybe someone who

892
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: enjoys laughing Oh good, who doesn't you know? Yeah, this

893
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: is the Stradio Lab challenge. If you have a friend

894
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: out there who's single, who loves the rugging outdoors and

895
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: has on a love of laughing dm us and will

896
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: set them up with John Mayer. I do think we

897
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: should set like I think among our listeners. You know,

898
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: we got a lot of our listeners are very engaged.

899
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: We got a lot of emails we could find someone

900
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: for John Mayer really in the comedy community, in our

901
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: listener the podcast listener community. Every time we you know,

902
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: every time we um ask for something, we get a response.

903
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: Like one time I was having a difficult time like

904
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: decorating my apartment and an interior decorator who listens emailed me.

905
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: Or like one time, like we recently talked about overnight

906
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: oats and how I have mixed feelings about them, and

907
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: at least sixteen people emails. We actually had a ton

908
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: of emails about it, and they were all I mean,

909
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: I know it was George asking the question, but I

910
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, no one has anything to say to me,

911
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: Like it was all just like right, yeah, like no, no, hey,

912
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: It's like I'm sinking about I'm not publicly asking for help.

913
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm really self sufficient. I guess I'm just different than George.

914
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: But you could at least say what's up? I don't know. Yeah, sorry,

915
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: this is a side question. Okay, I'm conscious of time,

916
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: and I know we have to but I but I

917
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: want to kind of get a last or you know, um, yeah,

918
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: go ahead. I do feel like, you know, the tiniest

919
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: shred of structure that this podcast has, I do need

920
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: to ask, do we think matchmaking is inherently straight? Oh?

921
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: My god, you're That's exactly what I was gonna ask.

922
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I was gonna be

923
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: like to close the book on this, like what makes

924
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: it straight? So which, I know, our personalities clash and

925
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: we fight all the time and we personally don't like

926
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: one another, but no, no, no, but sometimes it's like, okay,

927
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: this is why we do it. No, I mean, it

928
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: really makes you think any two people. Can you know

929
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: a broken clock is right once a day or whatever?

930
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: You know twice? Actually I've heard, um, but is matchmaking

931
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: inherently straight? I mean I think for me it's straight

932
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: because I'm against gay marriage as established already, so so yeah,

933
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: so in that sense, it's very straight and even homefully.

934
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: Um is it straight? I mean, you know when you

935
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: think of the classic you know, and like Fiddler on

936
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: the Roof, Um, kind of like the the yearning for

937
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: the matchmaker to make a match. Um, it's not only

938
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean they weren't talking about matching up two men,

939
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: were they were no. Um. Also they weren't talking about

940
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: setting up Christians, you know. So it's the most example.

941
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: It's very particularly so it's both for me, it's both

942
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: Jewish and straight. Interesting. Yeah, so I adhere to certain

943
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: rules no gay marriage, and one member of the couple

944
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: has to be Jewish? Is that the case for all

945
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: your matches? Actually? No, Um, no, it is in your case.

946
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: It is with my friends who met through me and

947
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: got married, And then it's not the case for Claire

948
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: and her husband Vince, who are not feeling for me.

949
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: The straightness of it comes from like, and I'm not

950
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: saying this about you specifically, but the instinct to set

951
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: people up. Is this anxiety about the people need to

952
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: get married. Like people. It's like, oh god, there are

953
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: two people in their thirties and their single. What are

954
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: we gonna do? Like, let's put our minds together and

955
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: think of something right, right, right, It's it's a kind

956
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: of like the the impulses. It's traditional, and it presupposes futurity,

957
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: which is often linked to procreation. Even if like the

958
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: the impulse, it's like when I'm setting up someone, I'm like, okay,

959
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: and now have a child mediately. But but I think

960
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: you're right in the sense that it um that it

961
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: does is connected to that in a way like sub subconsciously. Um.

962
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I think it's completely straight. And and

963
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: also the gay marriage thing and the Jewish thing. Well,

964
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: well that's incredible, did it? Shall we? Shall we? Final segment? It?

965
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, what succinct and beautifully tight episode. No,

966
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: I think it's very tasteful. I think it's tasteful. Well,

967
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: I know, I'm very conscious of the fact that Nomi asked,

968
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: like how long it's going to take in the beginning.

969
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if if we I can, I can stay.

970
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, no, We're done here. This interview

971
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: is over. I'm just I'm just I'm realizing I don't

972
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: have a shout out, Sam, Do you have one? Um?

973
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: I have one? Well, okay, so, first of all, no,

974
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean this segment, the final segments called shout outs,

975
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: and we give a shout out to something that we like.

976
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: Can be literally anything, a concept of the real thing, whatever,

977
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: sort of in the style of t r L two

978
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: thousand one style, shout out to your squad back home. Um,

979
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: so go ahead, you start, Okay, I will start. What's up? Listeners? Um,

980
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: I just want to give a huge shout out to

981
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: the um Beevis and butt Head character corn Holio. I

982
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: have been watching Beevis and butt Head for some reason

983
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: and I just got to the corn Holio and I've

984
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: never seen this before. It was making me laugh. I

985
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: was l O l N. I don't know what this is.

986
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is funny. It reminds me

987
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: of the bad kids growing up. But baby, I'm laughing.

988
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: He drinks too much soda, he talks weird, he puts

989
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: his shirt on his head. What more do you want?

990
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: Comedy's easy, baby, just say a funny word over and

991
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: over and talk about your but Cornholio is funny. It

992
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: holds up. Um, what's up, listeners? I want to give

993
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: a quick shout out to sculptures, indoor sculptures and let

994
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: me tell Let me tell you something. Growing up, it

995
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: was like in movies, you know, you you think of

996
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: let's say a Woody Allen movie where he's trying to

997
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: satirize like new Money. You'd have someone have like a

998
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: Venus de Milo, you know, replic you know, um, kind

999
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: of like a neon pink tiger or something in their

1000
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: living room. And you were like, oh, that means bad taste.

1001
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: But I think we are at a point where it

1002
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: is time to reimagine what indoor sculpture in living rooms

1003
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: and even bedrooms or bathrooms could look like. And so

1004
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: I would like to issue the Stradio Lab challenge. Would

1005
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 1: just send the links of indoor sculptures I can put

1006
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: in my apartment to just fill it with animals and

1007
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: kind of ancient Greek paraphernalia, um and and and really

1008
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: whatever else. I want them to suffocate me so I

1009
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 1: can't even move. So just once again, a quick shout

1010
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: out to indoor sculptures. We have sculptures in the house,

1011
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: like we have, you know, I literally like literally know me.

1012
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: I started saying my shout out and realized your husband

1013
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: as a sculpture and I had forgotten, Like that was

1014
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: not planned, George, You're pandering. It's insane. No, but I

1015
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,479
Speaker 1: was like, oh god, now it's like, is this bad?

1016
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: It means that we're on trend. Yes, exactly. Yeah, although

1017
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: although he does do mostly kind of like large scale

1018
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: out yeah, he does outdoor sculptures, but we do have

1019
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: some indoor and not just by him, we have a

1020
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: couple of other but but they're small. I mean, it's

1021
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: not like, you know, it doesn't stand on like an

1022
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: enormous like pedestal or anything. But don't you agree that

1023
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: it was so it's such a like, yes, totally short

1024
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: hand to show something like that, like having a giant

1025
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: cheetah yeah by your fire or like yeah, or like

1026
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: yeah right, like like a scarface type you know Miami,

1027
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 1: like oh there's a golden like something or other. Yeah.

1028
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: Coke Dens are back in a big way, baby. Yeah.

1029
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: I follow on Twitter weirdly, not on Instagram. There's a

1030
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: an account called Cocaine Before, and it's good because it

1031
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: has exactly like it's just pictures of like eighties kind

1032
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: of new fish like eighties uh interiors. It's pretty cool. Okay.

1033
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I can do a shout out, Hey,

1034
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: what's up everybody? This is to me and I want

1035
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: to send a shout out to my friend Hannah Goldfield

1036
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about her and I haven't seen

1037
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: her in person in a long time. You text every day,

1038
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: but I really like her. She's funny and a great person.

1039
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: So just shouting her out. Love new Hannah, Hannah, dang,

1040
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: you took mine for next episode. We do, We do,

1041
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: We love Hannah in this house, we stand stand Hannah.

1042
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: All right, Well know me. This has been truly a delight,

1043
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: So you guys, thanks so much for doing it. I

1044
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: felt very comfortable with you too. I'm so glad. It

1045
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: was really nice. It was like an interesting conversation. I

1046
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: don't think so. Actually, when it was to me, I

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Speaker 1: don't