WEBVTT - Gerry's World 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.400 Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.080 week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.400 of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.440 treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.560 rich pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.360 Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.840 with Ben Mallar starts right now. That it does. We 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:33.400 are in the air everywhere, spanning the globe, kind of 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.240 the podcast globe. As it's the weekend. You hear this open, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.360 you know that we are here eight days a week 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.640 the podcast The Fifth Hour, which began one day a week, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:49.239 and as a glutton for punishment, we have shifted to Friday, Saturday, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.480 and Sunday at the radio show five days a week, 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.360 this the other three. So they've added an extra day 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.560 of the week because four hours on the overnight are 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.920 not enough. And as you know, because you found the podcast, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.240 you're available on the I Heart podcast network. This is 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.039 a interview podcast, so we're not gonna have a lot 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.160 of b s. But I am joined by for better 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.360 or worse, David Gascon, who is over there loud and proud, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.880 and I'm happy that you mentioned the interview session of 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.600 this podcast, because Lo and Behold in the month of June. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.080 The highest and most downloaded podcasts so far this month 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.600 is the one I did with Ashley Evan Smith from 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.440 the UFC. Just I did not download that podcast, so 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.560 I did not need your support that highest downloaded podcast 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.560 in June June. Just it's early in June. We are 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.800 you talking about you? We're not even midway through the 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.680 month of June. And it's a great start. It's like 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.600 a great start, secretary at just getting out of the 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.360 gates quickly and then pulling away down the stretch. Well, 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.279 to be fair to the to the woman, the UFC 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.600 person that you interviewed, there, I you you're more like, 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.600 there's only a few. I'm not a big UFC person. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.240 You are. I'm not, so I don't know a lot 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.160 of the people. I know the big names. I watched 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.880 the Connor McGregor and that level. Uh, but I didn't 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.239 really know who this person was. So you did it. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.480 And if you want to interview more UFC people that 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.520 I've never heard of, you are more than welcome to 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.839 do that. You can hijack the fifth hour and get 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:24.160 all Schnacker and talk to your favorite UFC people and uh, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.440 and just knock yourself though. It's not like we're talking 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.320 strictly m m A or boxing or anything like that. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.399 It's like what we do you and I or any 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.320 guests we have on Letty Dike Drill was a great example. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.560 We went off the beaten path with them. It wasn't 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.600 all baseball chatter. It's the same thing with these fighters, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.280 like they got need to defend it. You're very defensive. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.160 No need to defend you just want to make sure 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.519 I clarify it because the mob that is the Mallard 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:53.639 militia might get a little sensitive. No never, never sensitive 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.760 before we get into our I don't know, guest friend 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.000 friend hanging with us. I want to promote all these 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.120 social media channels if you haven't followed me yet on 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:09.840 Twitter at Ben mallor Instagram, Ben Maller on Fox and 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:11.920 the Facebook page Ben Maller Show. And also if you 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.560 want to personalized video on cameo. I just did another 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.560 one of those the other day there. Uh. And I 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.400 keep saying I'm gonna send out links on social media 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.880 and I never do because I always forget on the 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.040 weekends I got stuff going on, but it's just type 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.080 my name in Ben Mallory on cameo. And as you 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.080 pointed out, yes, I am cheaper than the other people 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.920 at Fox Sports Radio. I'm a value compared to Clay 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.800 Travis and Rob Parker, which you're on there. So I'm 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.640 I'm a deal on that. And you're also all over 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.640 the place guestcon. People can find you or Twitter at 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:48.200 David J. Gascon, Instagram at Dave Gascon, but not on 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.960 not on Facebook, and not on cameo. Yeah, not not 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.760 on those things. A question for you because you did cameo. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.280 So so buy a chance of someone requests a message 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.720 from you, like let's say they were quest the message 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.600 from you on on Friday. Do you do you wait 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.400 three or four days and then tape record it to 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:13.040 be played like the next Friday. No, dummy, I'm just 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.840 I don't. I'm just double checking. You know. Some people 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.520 like to record things for days and I hear you. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.800 I know where you're going with that. Uh no, I 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.360 do it live. We'll do it live. But but no, yeah, 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.480 I usually I try to get back within a few hours. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.280 I mean, unless there's too many of them, and then 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.840 it takes maybe a day or something like that. But 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.800 there's I've never had that problem really, so I'm just 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.360 gaming that I would have that problem. But then maybe 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.880 when I put it out there it'll I guess maybe 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.839 when I go on furlough when we have to take 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.440 time off because because of the pandemic, maybe then people 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.880 will I'll just I'll do nothing but cameos that entire week. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.320 If if that we eventually get to that. I know 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.479 Eddie is gonna be out next week on on the furlough, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.480 and I have not decided I might just keep working 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.839 for free, but I probably will take some time off 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.279 here some point. You should work for free. I mean, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.920 Lord knows I need someone to be on my side, 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.520 you know. I mean, well, if you've seen my early 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.360 checks in radio, I often have worked for free in 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.960 the broadcasting business. But anyway, what was your starting rate 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.520 when you first started in radio? Oh my god, I 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.880 got paid on a per game basis when I worked 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.760 at the mighty six ninety and it was it was 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.040 not much. It was like, I think it was like 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.880 forty or fifty bucks a game, which seems like a lot. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.920 But to cover a baseball game, you get out there 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.720 at like two o'clock and you leave at midnight. So 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.840 the per hour for fifty dollars of work and you're 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:45.440 there ten hours, that's generally not a good payout, you 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.760 know what I'm saying. Yeah, I see. When I first 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.640 started in radio at I Heart San Diego was ten 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.320 dollars an hour part time and you were capped at 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.560 twenty nine hours. But then when I became the game 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.320 day host of the Chargers, you had to work the 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.359 morning show that led in the pregame show, then you 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:06.520 cover the game and then the post game twelve. It 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.200 was a nightmare. It was. It was audio salt mines 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.080 what it was. But you build up some thick skin, 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.000 I guess you build up some thick skins. So anyway, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.760 speaking of thick skin, uh, somebody that has the thickest 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:24.400 skin around that I know A beloved figure in local 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:29.480 Boston radio dominated the airwaves, and and that matters. Like Boston, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.280 one of the things I love about Boston is that 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:36.679 the sports radio format is the most important format of radio. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:41.039 It's not music, it's not talk radio or anything else. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.360 Eat is sports talk. And over the last twenty plus years, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.440 traditionally the sports talk station W e I, where I 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.760 briefly worked did some filing stuff for you at night. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.440 Was the number one station in Boston, and the Sports 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.480 Hub came along, and then it went back and forth 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.200 between the Sports Hub and EI, who was the number 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.160 one station, But for much of that time Jerry Callaghan 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.520 had the morning show, the Dennis and Callahan Show, then 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.640 the Kirk and Callaghan Show, and they killed it. They 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:14.320 were number one morning drive, which if you work in radio, man, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.640 is that really huge? And Jerry said, I've known Jerry 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.239 for several years and going back probably over a decade 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.640 now when I first met him, and Jerry uh was 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.320 a writer at the Boston Herald. He was a very 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.600 successful writer at Sports Illustrated before he got into talk 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:36.240 radio at w e I. And it all went away 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.760 about a year ago. And the reason it went away, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.880 Jerry was ahead of his time. Here. It is the 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.400 story that those of us that work in radio behind 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.160 the scenes talk about the nightmare scenario. Jerry Callaghan, number 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.800 one radio guy in Boston, dominated station, made a ton 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:59.160 of money, everyone loved the show, big audience, canceled because 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.480 of a protester. But it's a little different than what's 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.840 going on right now right now there's cyber mobs running 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:10.480 around canceling people, which some some like, I don't uh. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.200 And Jerry Callahan again, all that success, all the resume, 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:20.480 the domination, and one person ruined all of that, took 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.080 all of that off the board because they didn't like 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.600 what Jerry had said on a radio show. So let's 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.640 welcome in here. He's got his podcast now, the Callahan Podcast, 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.960 Radio Legend. Jerry Callahan and Jerry, why don't we start 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.440 with that? Can you walk me through what happened in 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.559 that nightmare scenario about a year ago? Do you really 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.880 want to hear it? Step by step? Then? Um, going 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.000 through a pic. I have to tell you, brother, because 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.360 it was my life. But it was strange. It was 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.319 a few years ago now, I guess four years ago now. 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.080 We did a segment on a five year old kid 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.480 who was transition a transgender five year ottle kids and 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.880 you know, naturally we said, that's pretty weird. That's a 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.520 uh that that is crazy. Literally we said, said the parents, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.000 you know, we're bad parents for doing it. There was 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.360 there was a story in the Boston Globe and they 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.280 were obviously, uh, you know, glorifying it. And I'm wonderful 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.520 it is, and we said it's nut. And some transgender 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.760 activist a guy whose kid was tender and older older kid. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:32.080 Kid was like in his twenties, but the father was 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:38.520 a very active room guy in and he just went nuts, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.480 just started emailing our advertisers, I mean all of them, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.800 national ads, local ads. He would email all of them 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.760 every day. I mean, I'm not kidding, said thirty thirty 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.240 five emails every day calling us everything homophole book and 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.560 they getting everything else. And he would take our show 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.600 every day and they pick it apart and they take 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.120 out little segments and take it anything that bothered him. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.960 And he didn't make a new email. And he wouldn't 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.960 believe if I showed it to you things that just bizarre, 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.680 saying that that's racist or sexist. If we said anything 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.440 about like my problem, I said, chicks, you know, instead 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.280 of girls as a chicks, And he let an email 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.160 saying he wanted to be a supported he's kind of thicker, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.280 and it just it was nothing. At first we laughed 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.559 about it, but he just bore down some national advertisers. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.400 Local people are good, but nationally they don't want to 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.560 get involved in anything, so they would you know, say 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.240 we're we're going, we'll we'll you go somewhere else. So 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:39.160 we lost national accounts. We met with the guy. He 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.560 he was just duplicit as he was, you know, he 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:47.960 was insane. He was like obsessed with us. And he 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.280 would say, you know we we volunteered to go to 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.840 sensivity training. We had to meet go through transgender sensitivity training. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.240 We did everything, we did a p s A, We 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.520 did anything he asked, and he just up coming. He 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.800 would not let up. One day, you know, they'd say 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:08.079 the left, even though the radings were great. And they 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:12.120 finally said they get rid of Kirk, my partner, kirkman Ahan, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.120 and he didn't go away. And then four or five 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.800 months later they called me in the said Witler choice, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.640 we've lost eight million bucks. You know, he just won't 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.560 leave us alone. And they made a deal with the guy, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.800 Stacey made a deal he would go away if they 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.760 get rid of me. And what do they do, They 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.880 take Cowards's kind of like today these days, these guys 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.760 taking a knee, these mayors like Garcetti and these police 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.760 chiefs taking a knee for the mom. But that's what 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.720 last year. Took a knee for the ball. Be sure 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.160 to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show week 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.240 days at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific on 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.880 Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.760 and Jered, I mean, I love you man, You've been 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.040 great over the years. But everyone in radio, what happened 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.400 to you? Guys like it's like a horror story and 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.720 you would just you laid it out perfectly. But you 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.840 were ahead of your time in many ways. But it 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.120 wasn't the mob. It wasn't a mob that got did. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.559 It was like one guy, but you you were canceled 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.320 by a protester. We were canceled by one activist. But 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.559 he also got help from Boston Globe, which is incredible. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.960 People don't think anything of us to do in the business, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.199 and what they did. They had an editor her name 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.199 was Shirley Leon. An editor just hated the station and 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.160 she'd write occasionally write columns and one how awful we were. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.080 She worked with the guy. She literally got a list 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.920 of our advertisers and called them with him, an editor 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.040 of the Globe, and said, are you aware of this 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.680 sexist comment they made as a homophobic comic they made 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.480 on a on a daily basis, so and so the 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.560 Globe was completing. The Globe is not really a newspaper anymore. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.280 It's just kind of an arm of the you know, 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.880 the Democrat Party, and they're just I mean, it's Sean 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.120 Henry's a little plaything and and no one reads it 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.400 or subscribed to it, but they do it carry out 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.160 their little bit debt as when they want to. When 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.720 me came after us, so the Globe end was one activist, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.320 then Bob said, one guy just got on his computer 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.880 every day and attacked. And you're right, we were kind 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.079 of We talked about that now, Kirkmanhan and I talked 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.040 about that this week. How we couldn't some office we 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.960 wouldn't take us off of you talking about Antiefer and 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.520 Black Lives Matter and whatever. The mayors, the governors, you know, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.280 we'd be would be getting some in some kind of 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.000 trouble daily the Red Sox now the Red Sox for 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:34.440 a big story because they they cowered to uh, Tory Hunter. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:35.839 I don't know if you saw this, but this week 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.520 Tory Hunter made up some silly story about how fans, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.640 a group of fans were chanting the N word and 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.640 all the other fans were laughing in the stands, and 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.600 it's it's ridiculous on its face. Nobody actually believed the story. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.840 But the Red Sox put out a statement and said, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.160 oh yeah, Tories experiences. They didn't actually say they believe them, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.200 but they said they support Tory Hunter and and you 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.360 know they coward the way they always do. And there 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.240 is no way our station would have let me or 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.960 Kirk on the air this week. They would have, you know, 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.080 they would have pulled the put for sure, because that's 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.320 your right. Then. That's why I feel like we were 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.360 ahead of the time. This was almost a year ago 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.200 from me, and now it's happening less than line. I mean, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.840 you see it that the guy in Sacramento who said 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.000 all lives matter dot dot dot, every single one that 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.520 Grant Napier to play by play guy and he got 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.960 fired saying oh lives matter. Be sure to catch live 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.400 editions of The Ben Maller Show week days at two 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.760 a m. Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. Yeah, yea, Jerry. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.120 I mean, it's like you and and we're always like 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.880 walking on eggshells and I and I don't I'm not 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.360 nearly as as polarizing you guys. Did a great show, 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.440 and we do it a little different on the overnight. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:49.200 But like your people are looking to trap you. It's 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:50.960 like they're trying to trap you. And if you don't 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:55.120 have the same thought that they have, your your racist 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.760 or your evil and they just they tag you with 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.840 these things and it's it's a wild time. What's happening 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.440 right now? It's wild and it is frightening. Man, it 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.520 is scary. It's and you know what it used to be, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.840 even it was a better a year ago and ten 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.760 years ago, fifteen years ago. I mean, you listen to 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.680 some of the stuff Stern did on FM or I must, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.760 even the characters, they mean, they just had much more freedom. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.080 I know guys in radio, as you of course do, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.440 but I know the guys friends of mine are still 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.280 there and they feel like they're both are numbered because 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.600 they're gonna step in it one of these days and 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:35.200 some activists or some group is going to come down 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.200 on them. Everybody's playing scared. It's you can hear it 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:39.920 in the voices of a lot of these guys. They're 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.640 playing scared. They're afraid of a topic like this. You know, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.040 they wish they could talk about you know who should 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.520 who should lead off, you know, for the rests. Instead, 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.000 they're forced to talk about black lives matter and in 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:57.040 our gutless governor in Massachusetts, and they set down the lockdown, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.240 and I mean it gets very intense, and these guys 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.160 are getting very nervous because they know it is a 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.480 it is a scary time. They're just waiting for the 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.000 next had to get locked up. Be sure to catch 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.680 live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.600 am Eastern eleven p m Pacific. Jerry, I got a 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.240 question for you, because you know Ben obviously working at 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.160 w E I. I actually went to school in Boston. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.200 I went to Northeastern for grad school back in the day, 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.320 and I love the city. I know you're from there, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.280 but I absolutely love Boston. I have family and friends 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.600 that I grew up there. Um, with all this going on, 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.040 and with your long history of working in radio, working 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.120 in media, when this started happening, and even when it 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.600 got to I guess the boiling point for everybody involved, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.680 did you ever think, person like, there's gonna be some 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.360 retribution for these guys, for for the attack and for 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.440 the way that they went after you and pretty much 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:59.080 chopped you by the knees with your career. It didn't initially, No, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.280 basically we're asked about it so that you know that nuts. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.960 I met with the girl, right and I said, he's 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.879 what I said, and you know what, I said, this 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.720 is crazy, a five year old child transitioning and I 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.160 had a picture of the kid was born a boy 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.919 in the transitioning to a girl. And I said that's crazy, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.399 and he goes, yeah, I would admit that's kind of crazy. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.639 I go, you just didn't need it what I said. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.600 And the guy said, you didn't like the way you 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.679 said it, and it just snowball from it. He just 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.439 became obsessed and he said, I'm not going to stop 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:35.959 until I get these guys fired. And we got wetting him. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.400 We got to know is his story. He was, That's 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.760 all he did, you know, suit his neighbors. He super 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.639 prown or started a petition to get this you know, 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.159 selective and removed. It was so he was wealthy and 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.640 he was said was retired and he just was sit 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.159 home on his computer and try to william people's lives. 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.800 And initially I'm thinking, you know what, ratings were great. 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.520 The revenuet was great. I've been there twenty years and 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.640 you know, we had no boot prop and and I'm 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.639 starting to think now that you know, I should have 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.760 seen it come in. I mean, it's there was no 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.960 sign that. As I say this all the time and 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.920 talk radio sports rading, you need one thing above all others. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.920 You need a boss with some balls because you're gonna 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.760 get especially in this day and age, the calls. It 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.800 used to be you get letters and calls. Now you 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.800 get emails and texts, and you get the Twitter mob. 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.040 And if the boss has some balls, he could tell 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.320 him a screw. You could say, you know, he's my 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.720 guy because his opinions, and I got his back. I 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.520 had that for much of the twenty years. I did 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.840 not have it for the last couple I had a 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.879 boss who was it was scared of the mob and 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.720 scared of losing his job and did not want to 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.560 fight for us. It wasn't a fighter and just rolled 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.560 over and said, okay, we'll move on. Now. The station. 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.080 I don't know if you know this event, but they 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.639 just had the worst monthly rating in thirty years since 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.119 I think ninety one and ninety two. It's a disaster, 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.840 and obviously, um you know, there's all kinds of the 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.080 red sex have just fallen off the map. They're just 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.240 irrelevant now and that hurts. But the numbers, strings of 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.439 the revenue are in the toilet, but they're not, you know, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.160 getting any grief from many activists. So I guess that's 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.680 what they wanted. That was the choice they made. Yeah, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.520 it's it's uh yeah, I saw that the numbers went down. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.399 We are my overnight show. I went to the Sports 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.280 Hub and so, I mean, they're they're the beneficiary right 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.560 of all all that's happening over there. But I don't 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.600 like EI. The're mad aton and the way the example 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.880 people like like me and others. So they kind of came. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.960 They brought on them. And the numbers are just I mean, 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.159 they love something you can wipe off the bottom of 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.320 your shoot right, just they're just awful, ugly, ugly numbers. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.880 Did you hear the Big band? Did you tell your 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:59.520 story of when your EI experience? Uh, well, well yeah 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.400 I told a little bit. I didn't give him all 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:05.639 the details, but it was Dave correct, that correct, j 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.440 Jerry full disclosure. I don't think you left the company 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.480 because of what you said. I think it's because the 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:15.200 bad luck that Ben brings along. So we're against the station. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.439 All the just goes to batty now like things just 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.199 go down the waystside. We we were looking for a 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.320 third guy. It was Kirkland and I were looking at 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.640 the third guy, and we have talls. So the only 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.080 guys in the guys in and then some from around 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.800 the couple at Shawn Salisbury flying one day had a 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.399 bunch of locals. And then because I was like him 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.160 on overnight and his attitudes, she make a good cities 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.440 of wise as it was like the fall that he 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.480 roots for people to lose. You don't work for people 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.280 who when you were for guys to lose. That's a 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.480 good way to look at it. So Ben comes in, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.960 you can it comes at the station said like a 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.119 big suitcase. He looked like John Candy and plane strength 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:56.880 and automobiles dragons and obviously I think it came down 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.080 at four bills at that point, right, we'll do it. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.600 Um it becomes in the deal, change everything. We moved 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.240 the mics so big sits down and we're just talking 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.240 on man. We said, so I think we had a 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.280 break down, and you know where the company puts you 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.439 typical our company that put him at the cheapest hotel 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.000 right down the street. I think it's a day's in, 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.760 but it was calosed convenient, so we tell them that's 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.920 where the terist state amount eleven. There was a couple 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:30.879