Speaker 1: Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a
Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants
Speaker 1: of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He
Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the
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Speaker 1: Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour
Speaker 1: with Ben Mallar starts right now. That it does. We
Speaker 1: are in the air everywhere, spanning the globe, kind of
Speaker 1: the podcast globe. As it's the weekend. You hear this open,
Speaker 1: you know that we are here eight days a week
Speaker 1: the podcast The Fifth Hour, which began one day a week,
Speaker 1: and as a glutton for punishment, we have shifted to Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: and Sunday at the radio show five days a week,
Speaker 1: this the other three. So they've added an extra day
Speaker 1: of the week because four hours on the overnight are
Speaker 1: not enough. And as you know, because you found the podcast,
Speaker 1: you're available on the I Heart podcast network. This is
Speaker 1: a interview podcast, so we're not gonna have a lot
Speaker 1: of b s. But I am joined by for better
Speaker 1: or worse, David Gascon, who is over there loud and proud,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy that you mentioned the interview session of
Speaker 1: this podcast, because Lo and Behold in the month of June.
Speaker 1: The highest and most downloaded podcasts so far this month
Speaker 1: is the one I did with Ashley Evan Smith from
Speaker 1: the UFC. Just I did not download that podcast, so
Speaker 1: I did not need your support that highest downloaded podcast
Speaker 1: in June June. Just it's early in June. We are
Speaker 1: you talking about you? We're not even midway through the
Speaker 1: month of June. And it's a great start. It's like
Speaker 1: a great start, secretary at just getting out of the
Speaker 1: gates quickly and then pulling away down the stretch. Well,
Speaker 1: to be fair to the to the woman, the UFC
Speaker 1: person that you interviewed, there, I you you're more like,
Speaker 1: there's only a few. I'm not a big UFC person.
Speaker 1: You are. I'm not, so I don't know a lot
Speaker 1: of the people. I know the big names. I watched
Speaker 1: the Connor McGregor and that level. Uh, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really know who this person was. So you did it.
Speaker 1: And if you want to interview more UFC people that
Speaker 1: I've never heard of, you are more than welcome to
Speaker 1: do that. You can hijack the fifth hour and get
Speaker 1: all Schnacker and talk to your favorite UFC people and uh,
Speaker 1: and just knock yourself though. It's not like we're talking
Speaker 1: strictly m m A or boxing or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's like what we do you and I or any
Speaker 1: guests we have on Letty Dike Drill was a great example.
Speaker 1: We went off the beaten path with them. It wasn't
Speaker 1: all baseball chatter. It's the same thing with these fighters,
Speaker 1: like they got need to defend it. You're very defensive.
Speaker 1: No need to defend you just want to make sure
Speaker 1: I clarify it because the mob that is the Mallard
Speaker 1: militia might get a little sensitive. No never, never sensitive
Speaker 1: before we get into our I don't know, guest friend
Speaker 1: friend hanging with us. I want to promote all these
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Speaker 1: want to personalized video on cameo. I just did another
Speaker 1: one of those the other day there. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: keep saying I'm gonna send out links on social media
Speaker 1: and I never do because I always forget on the
Speaker 1: weekends I got stuff going on, but it's just type
Speaker 1: my name in Ben Mallory on cameo. And as you
Speaker 1: pointed out, yes, I am cheaper than the other people
Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio. I'm a value compared to Clay
Speaker 1: Travis and Rob Parker, which you're on there. So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a deal on that. And you're also all over
Speaker 1: the place guestcon. People can find you or Twitter at
Speaker 1: David J. Gascon, Instagram at Dave Gascon, but not on
Speaker 1: not on Facebook, and not on cameo. Yeah, not not
Speaker 1: on those things. A question for you because you did cameo.
Speaker 1: So so buy a chance of someone requests a message
Speaker 1: from you, like let's say they were quest the message
Speaker 1: from you on on Friday. Do you do you wait
Speaker 1: three or four days and then tape record it to
Speaker 1: be played like the next Friday. No, dummy, I'm just
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just double checking. You know. Some people
Speaker 1: like to record things for days and I hear you.
Speaker 1: I know where you're going with that. Uh no, I
Speaker 1: do it live. We'll do it live. But but no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I usually I try to get back within a few hours.
Speaker 1: I mean, unless there's too many of them, and then
Speaker 1: it takes maybe a day or something like that. But
Speaker 1: there's I've never had that problem really, so I'm just
Speaker 1: gaming that I would have that problem. But then maybe
Speaker 1: when I put it out there it'll I guess maybe
Speaker 1: when I go on furlough when we have to take
Speaker 1: time off because because of the pandemic, maybe then people
Speaker 1: will I'll just I'll do nothing but cameos that entire week.
Speaker 1: If if that we eventually get to that. I know
Speaker 1: Eddie is gonna be out next week on on the furlough,
Speaker 1: and I have not decided I might just keep working
Speaker 1: for free, but I probably will take some time off
Speaker 1: here some point. You should work for free. I mean,
Speaker 1: Lord knows I need someone to be on my side,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, well, if you've seen my early
Speaker 1: checks in radio, I often have worked for free in
Speaker 1: the broadcasting business. But anyway, what was your starting rate
Speaker 1: when you first started in radio? Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: got paid on a per game basis when I worked
Speaker 1: at the mighty six ninety and it was it was
Speaker 1: not much. It was like, I think it was like
Speaker 1: forty or fifty bucks a game, which seems like a lot.
Speaker 1: But to cover a baseball game, you get out there
Speaker 1: at like two o'clock and you leave at midnight. So
Speaker 1: the per hour for fifty dollars of work and you're
Speaker 1: there ten hours, that's generally not a good payout, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, I see. When I first
Speaker 1: started in radio at I Heart San Diego was ten
Speaker 1: dollars an hour part time and you were capped at
Speaker 1: twenty nine hours. But then when I became the game
Speaker 1: day host of the Chargers, you had to work the
Speaker 1: morning show that led in the pregame show, then you
Speaker 1: cover the game and then the post game twelve. It
Speaker 1: was a nightmare. It was. It was audio salt mines
Speaker 1: what it was. But you build up some thick skin,
Speaker 1: I guess you build up some thick skins. So anyway,
Speaker 1: speaking of thick skin, uh, somebody that has the thickest
Speaker 1: skin around that I know A beloved figure in local
Speaker 1: Boston radio dominated the airwaves, and and that matters. Like Boston,
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about Boston is that
Speaker 1: the sports radio format is the most important format of radio.
Speaker 1: It's not music, it's not talk radio or anything else.
Speaker 1: Eat is sports talk. And over the last twenty plus years,
Speaker 1: traditionally the sports talk station W e I, where I
Speaker 1: briefly worked did some filing stuff for you at night.
Speaker 1: Was the number one station in Boston, and the Sports
Speaker 1: Hub came along, and then it went back and forth
Speaker 1: between the Sports Hub and EI, who was the number
Speaker 1: one station, But for much of that time Jerry Callaghan
Speaker 1: had the morning show, the Dennis and Callahan Show, then
Speaker 1: the Kirk and Callaghan Show, and they killed it. They
Speaker 1: were number one morning drive, which if you work in radio, man,
Speaker 1: is that really huge? And Jerry said, I've known Jerry
Speaker 1: for several years and going back probably over a decade
Speaker 1: now when I first met him, and Jerry uh was
Speaker 1: a writer at the Boston Herald. He was a very
Speaker 1: successful writer at Sports Illustrated before he got into talk
Speaker 1: radio at w e I. And it all went away
Speaker 1: about a year ago. And the reason it went away,
Speaker 1: Jerry was ahead of his time. Here. It is the
Speaker 1: story that those of us that work in radio behind
Speaker 1: the scenes talk about the nightmare scenario. Jerry Callaghan, number
Speaker 1: one radio guy in Boston, dominated station, made a ton
Speaker 1: of money, everyone loved the show, big audience, canceled because
Speaker 1: of a protester. But it's a little different than what's
Speaker 1: going on right now right now there's cyber mobs running
Speaker 1: around canceling people, which some some like, I don't uh.
Speaker 1: And Jerry Callahan again, all that success, all the resume,
Speaker 1: the domination, and one person ruined all of that, took
Speaker 1: all of that off the board because they didn't like
Speaker 1: what Jerry had said on a radio show. So let's
Speaker 1: welcome in here. He's got his podcast now, the Callahan Podcast,
Speaker 1: Radio Legend. Jerry Callahan and Jerry, why don't we start
Speaker 1: with that? Can you walk me through what happened in
Speaker 1: that nightmare scenario about a year ago? Do you really
Speaker 1: want to hear it? Step by step? Then? Um, going
Speaker 1: through a pic. I have to tell you, brother, because
Speaker 1: it was my life. But it was strange. It was
Speaker 1: a few years ago now, I guess four years ago now.
Speaker 1: We did a segment on a five year old kid
Speaker 1: who was transition a transgender five year ottle kids and
Speaker 1: you know, naturally we said, that's pretty weird. That's a
Speaker 1: uh that that is crazy. Literally we said, said the parents,
Speaker 1: you know, we're bad parents for doing it. There was
Speaker 1: there was a story in the Boston Globe and they
Speaker 1: were obviously, uh, you know, glorifying it. And I'm wonderful
Speaker 1: it is, and we said it's nut. And some transgender
Speaker 1: activist a guy whose kid was tender and older older kid.
Speaker 1: Kid was like in his twenties, but the father was
Speaker 1: a very active room guy in and he just went nuts,
Speaker 1: just started emailing our advertisers, I mean all of them,
Speaker 1: national ads, local ads. He would email all of them
Speaker 1: every day. I mean, I'm not kidding, said thirty thirty
Speaker 1: five emails every day calling us everything homophole book and
Speaker 1: they getting everything else. And he would take our show
Speaker 1: every day and they pick it apart and they take
Speaker 1: out little segments and take it anything that bothered him.
Speaker 1: And he didn't make a new email. And he wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe if I showed it to you things that just bizarre,
Speaker 1: saying that that's racist or sexist. If we said anything
Speaker 1: about like my problem, I said, chicks, you know, instead
Speaker 1: of girls as a chicks, And he let an email
Speaker 1: saying he wanted to be a supported he's kind of thicker,
Speaker 1: and it just it was nothing. At first we laughed
Speaker 1: about it, but he just bore down some national advertisers.
Speaker 1: Local people are good, but nationally they don't want to
Speaker 1: get involved in anything, so they would you know, say
Speaker 1: we're we're going, we'll we'll you go somewhere else. So
Speaker 1: we lost national accounts. We met with the guy. He
Speaker 1: he was just duplicit as he was, you know, he
Speaker 1: was insane. He was like obsessed with us. And he
Speaker 1: would say, you know we we volunteered to go to
Speaker 1: sensivity training. We had to meet go through transgender sensitivity training.
Speaker 1: We did everything, we did a p s A, We
Speaker 1: did anything he asked, and he just up coming. He
Speaker 1: would not let up. One day, you know, they'd say
Speaker 1: the left, even though the radings were great. And they
Speaker 1: finally said they get rid of Kirk, my partner, kirkman Ahan,
Speaker 1: and he didn't go away. And then four or five
Speaker 1: months later they called me in the said Witler choice,
Speaker 1: we've lost eight million bucks. You know, he just won't
Speaker 1: leave us alone. And they made a deal with the guy,
Speaker 1: Stacey made a deal he would go away if they
Speaker 1: get rid of me. And what do they do, They
Speaker 1: take Cowards's kind of like today these days, these guys
Speaker 1: taking a knee, these mayors like Garcetti and these police
Speaker 1: chiefs taking a knee for the mom. But that's what
Speaker 1: last year. Took a knee for the ball. Be sure
Speaker 1: to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show week
Speaker 1: days at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah
Speaker 1: and Jered, I mean, I love you man, You've been
Speaker 1: great over the years. But everyone in radio, what happened
Speaker 1: to you? Guys like it's like a horror story and
Speaker 1: you would just you laid it out perfectly. But you
Speaker 1: were ahead of your time in many ways. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't the mob. It wasn't a mob that got did.
Speaker 1: It was like one guy, but you you were canceled
Speaker 1: by a protester. We were canceled by one activist. But
Speaker 1: he also got help from Boston Globe, which is incredible.
Speaker 1: People don't think anything of us to do in the business,
Speaker 1: and what they did. They had an editor her name
Speaker 1: was Shirley Leon. An editor just hated the station and
Speaker 1: she'd write occasionally write columns and one how awful we were.
Speaker 1: She worked with the guy. She literally got a list
Speaker 1: of our advertisers and called them with him, an editor
Speaker 1: of the Globe, and said, are you aware of this
Speaker 1: sexist comment they made as a homophobic comic they made
Speaker 1: on a on a daily basis, so and so the
Speaker 1: Globe was completing. The Globe is not really a newspaper anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of an arm of the you know,
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, and they're just I mean, it's Sean
Speaker 1: Henry's a little plaything and and no one reads it
Speaker 1: or subscribed to it, but they do it carry out
Speaker 1: their little bit debt as when they want to. When
Speaker 1: me came after us, so the Globe end was one activist,
Speaker 1: then Bob said, one guy just got on his computer
Speaker 1: every day and attacked. And you're right, we were kind
Speaker 1: of We talked about that now, Kirkmanhan and I talked
Speaker 1: about that this week. How we couldn't some office we
Speaker 1: wouldn't take us off of you talking about Antiefer and
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter and whatever. The mayors, the governors, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd be would be getting some in some kind of
Speaker 1: trouble daily the Red Sox now the Red Sox for
Speaker 1: a big story because they they cowered to uh, Tory Hunter.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but this week
Speaker 1: Tory Hunter made up some silly story about how fans,
Speaker 1: a group of fans were chanting the N word and
Speaker 1: all the other fans were laughing in the stands, and
Speaker 1: it's it's ridiculous on its face. Nobody actually believed the story.
Speaker 1: But the Red Sox put out a statement and said,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Tories experiences. They didn't actually say they believe them,
Speaker 1: but they said they support Tory Hunter and and you
Speaker 1: know they coward the way they always do. And there
Speaker 1: is no way our station would have let me or
Speaker 1: Kirk on the air this week. They would have, you know,
Speaker 1: they would have pulled the put for sure, because that's
Speaker 1: your right. Then. That's why I feel like we were
Speaker 1: ahead of the time. This was almost a year ago
Speaker 1: from me, and now it's happening less than line. I mean,
Speaker 1: you see it that the guy in Sacramento who said
Speaker 1: all lives matter dot dot dot, every single one that
Speaker 1: Grant Napier to play by play guy and he got
Speaker 1: fired saying oh lives matter. Be sure to catch live
Speaker 1: editions of The Ben Maller Show week days at two
Speaker 1: a m. Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. Yeah, yea, Jerry.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you and and we're always like
Speaker 1: walking on eggshells and I and I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: nearly as as polarizing you guys. Did a great show,
Speaker 1: and we do it a little different on the overnight.
Speaker 1: But like your people are looking to trap you. It's
Speaker 1: like they're trying to trap you. And if you don't
Speaker 1: have the same thought that they have, your your racist
Speaker 1: or your evil and they just they tag you with
Speaker 1: these things and it's it's a wild time. What's happening
Speaker 1: right now? It's wild and it is frightening. Man, it
Speaker 1: is scary. It's and you know what it used to be,
Speaker 1: even it was a better a year ago and ten
Speaker 1: years ago, fifteen years ago. I mean, you listen to
Speaker 1: some of the stuff Stern did on FM or I must,
Speaker 1: even the characters, they mean, they just had much more freedom.
Speaker 1: I know guys in radio, as you of course do,
Speaker 1: but I know the guys friends of mine are still
Speaker 1: there and they feel like they're both are numbered because
Speaker 1: they're gonna step in it one of these days and
Speaker 1: some activists or some group is going to come down
Speaker 1: on them. Everybody's playing scared. It's you can hear it
Speaker 1: in the voices of a lot of these guys. They're
Speaker 1: playing scared. They're afraid of a topic like this. You know,
Speaker 1: they wish they could talk about you know who should
Speaker 1: who should lead off, you know, for the rests. Instead,
Speaker 1: they're forced to talk about black lives matter and in
Speaker 1: our gutless governor in Massachusetts, and they set down the lockdown,
Speaker 1: and I mean it gets very intense, and these guys
Speaker 1: are getting very nervous because they know it is a
Speaker 1: it is a scary time. They're just waiting for the
Speaker 1: next had to get locked up. Be sure to catch
Speaker 1: live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two
Speaker 1: am Eastern eleven p m Pacific. Jerry, I got a
Speaker 1: question for you, because you know Ben obviously working at
Speaker 1: w E I. I actually went to school in Boston.
Speaker 1: I went to Northeastern for grad school back in the day,
Speaker 1: and I love the city. I know you're from there,
Speaker 1: but I absolutely love Boston. I have family and friends
Speaker 1: that I grew up there. Um, with all this going on,
Speaker 1: and with your long history of working in radio, working
Speaker 1: in media, when this started happening, and even when it
Speaker 1: got to I guess the boiling point for everybody involved,
Speaker 1: did you ever think, person like, there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: retribution for these guys, for for the attack and for
Speaker 1: the way that they went after you and pretty much
Speaker 1: chopped you by the knees with your career. It didn't initially, No,
Speaker 1: basically we're asked about it so that you know that nuts.
Speaker 1: I met with the girl, right and I said, he's
Speaker 1: what I said, and you know what, I said, this
Speaker 1: is crazy, a five year old child transitioning and I
Speaker 1: had a picture of the kid was born a boy
Speaker 1: in the transitioning to a girl. And I said that's crazy,
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, I would admit that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I go, you just didn't need it what I said.
Speaker 1: And the guy said, you didn't like the way you
Speaker 1: said it, and it just snowball from it. He just
Speaker 1: became obsessed and he said, I'm not going to stop
Speaker 1: until I get these guys fired. And we got wetting him.
Speaker 1: We got to know is his story. He was, That's
Speaker 1: all he did, you know, suit his neighbors. He super
Speaker 1: prown or started a petition to get this you know,
Speaker 1: selective and removed. It was so he was wealthy and
Speaker 1: he was said was retired and he just was sit
Speaker 1: home on his computer and try to william people's lives.
Speaker 1: And initially I'm thinking, you know what, ratings were great.
Speaker 1: The revenuet was great. I've been there twenty years and
Speaker 1: you know, we had no boot prop and and I'm
Speaker 1: starting to think now that you know, I should have
Speaker 1: seen it come in. I mean, it's there was no
Speaker 1: sign that. As I say this all the time and
Speaker 1: talk radio sports rading, you need one thing above all others.
Speaker 1: You need a boss with some balls because you're gonna
Speaker 1: get especially in this day and age, the calls. It
Speaker 1: used to be you get letters and calls. Now you
Speaker 1: get emails and texts, and you get the Twitter mob.
Speaker 1: And if the boss has some balls, he could tell
Speaker 1: him a screw. You could say, you know, he's my
Speaker 1: guy because his opinions, and I got his back. I
Speaker 1: had that for much of the twenty years. I did
Speaker 1: not have it for the last couple I had a
Speaker 1: boss who was it was scared of the mob and
Speaker 1: scared of losing his job and did not want to
Speaker 1: fight for us. It wasn't a fighter and just rolled
Speaker 1: over and said, okay, we'll move on. Now. The station.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this event, but they
Speaker 1: just had the worst monthly rating in thirty years since
Speaker 1: I think ninety one and ninety two. It's a disaster,
Speaker 1: and obviously, um you know, there's all kinds of the
Speaker 1: red sex have just fallen off the map. They're just
Speaker 1: irrelevant now and that hurts. But the numbers, strings of
Speaker 1: the revenue are in the toilet, but they're not, you know,
Speaker 1: getting any grief from many activists. So I guess that's
Speaker 1: what they wanted. That was the choice they made. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's uh yeah, I saw that the numbers went down.
Speaker 1: We are my overnight show. I went to the Sports
Speaker 1: Hub and so, I mean, they're they're the beneficiary right
Speaker 1: of all all that's happening over there. But I don't
Speaker 1: like EI. The're mad aton and the way the example
Speaker 1: people like like me and others. So they kind of came.
Speaker 1: They brought on them. And the numbers are just I mean,
Speaker 1: they love something you can wipe off the bottom of
Speaker 1: your shoot right, just they're just awful, ugly, ugly numbers.
Speaker 1: Did you hear the Big band? Did you tell your
Speaker 1: story of when your EI experience? Uh, well, well yeah
Speaker 1: I told a little bit. I didn't give him all
Speaker 1: the details, but it was Dave correct, that correct, j
Speaker 1: Jerry full disclosure. I don't think you left the company
Speaker 1: because of what you said. I think it's because the
Speaker 1: bad luck that Ben brings along. So we're against the station.
Speaker 1: All the just goes to batty now like things just
Speaker 1: go down the waystside. We we were looking for a
Speaker 1: third guy. It was Kirkland and I were looking at
Speaker 1: the third guy, and we have talls. So the only
Speaker 1: guys in the guys in and then some from around
Speaker 1: the couple at Shawn Salisbury flying one day had a
Speaker 1: bunch of locals. And then because I was like him
Speaker 1: on overnight and his attitudes, she make a good cities
Speaker 1: of wise as it was like the fall that he
Speaker 1: roots for people to lose. You don't work for people
Speaker 1: who when you were for guys to lose. That's a
Speaker 1: good way to look at it. So Ben comes in,
Speaker 1: you can it comes at the station said like a
Speaker 1: big suitcase. He looked like John Candy and plane strength
Speaker 1: and automobiles dragons and obviously I think it came down
Speaker 1: at four bills at that point, right, we'll do it.
Speaker 1: Um it becomes in the deal, change everything. We moved
Speaker 1: the mics so big sits down and we're just talking
Speaker 1: on man. We said, so I think we had a
Speaker 1: break down, and you know where the company puts you
Speaker 1: typical our company that put him at the cheapest hotel
Speaker 1: right down the street. I think it's a day's in,
Speaker 1: but it was calosed convenient, so we tell them that's
Speaker 1: where the terist state amount eleven. There was a couple
Speaker 1: of the hijacker state there and he got Ben. You're like,
Speaker 1: We're like, you could have been in his room, and
Speaker 1: Ben's like, on his wife, don's the terrorist statement room.
Speaker 1: But it was fifteen years later that Ben was a
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable staying in the same way with the terrorist
Speaker 1: from nine eleven. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app Sir s Are to Listen Live. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Jerry to be it was a horrible hotel. Uh. It
Speaker 1: was like I I would not like, I would not
Speaker 1: put my worst enemy in that hotel. And they hadn't
Speaker 1: cleaned it. It was like the reason and you told
Speaker 1: me the story, and I thought you were b asking me.
Speaker 1: That's not true. And then I looked it up and
Speaker 1: and it was in the I think the Harvard newspaper.
Speaker 1: They because it's right near Harvard, that hotel, and they
Speaker 1: said that's that's yeah, that's where the guys stayed in there,
Speaker 1: and they stayed on the same floor I was on.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what room they were in, but
Speaker 1: they were on the same you know, I was on
Speaker 1: the same floor. So I was like when and then
Speaker 1: when I walked down the hall to the elevator, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is the same walk these assholes made when they
Speaker 1: were they were coming down. It was. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: I had I had a good time, and you guys
Speaker 1: were great, You're very kind of me, and uh, I
Speaker 1: had fun there, and it sucks that the way it ended.
Speaker 1: And as you said, the station's gone on the toilets
Speaker 1: since you guys left, and and that new morning show
Speaker 1: is not exactly taken off unfortunately. It feels like the
Speaker 1: industry getting scared and powering and playing it safe, and
Speaker 1: everybody's you know, walking on egg shows because it wasn't
Speaker 1: the freedom that we used to have. And you can
Speaker 1: have and you could tell them people, you've got to
Speaker 1: have the freedom do the talk show, any kind of
Speaker 1: talk show. You can't be afraid of stepping on a
Speaker 1: on a mind every time on the air. And that's
Speaker 1: what lot of guys earn it, and Jerry walk me through.
Speaker 1: I know you got a longerer writer at the Herald
Speaker 1: and you you worked at Sports Illustrative, Like, at what
Speaker 1: point and you mentioned this, at what point did the
Speaker 1: media companies indoor censorship? Because it certainly feels like we're
Speaker 1: heading that direction where if you don't agree, they want
Speaker 1: to silence you. And and it wasn't like that for
Speaker 1: a long time, but at some point within the last
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years has happened. Why is
Speaker 1: it happening? Well, A couple of things I think is
Speaker 1: the uh Twitter, the social media has made it so
Speaker 1: much easier to round up a mob and go after
Speaker 1: a guy, or go after the station. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I keep playing some of the stuff that we did.
Speaker 1: We once set a strip. We don't do the sports
Speaker 1: mostly the John Dennis and I had a stripper come in.
Speaker 1: She was performing and she she lit herself on fire
Speaker 1: in the studio and we were in then laughing. And
Speaker 1: I'll remember because the Midday Wholesdale he complained, Uh, we
Speaker 1: did it, and we're like, we don't look at its
Speaker 1: radio which sound I mean, but we did crazy stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and uh, no one thought anything of it.
Speaker 1: Now If you did that, you get a thousand or
Speaker 1: more tweets or texts or emails. It was just harder
Speaker 1: to complain when you had to write a letter. It's
Speaker 1: much easier to round up a mob, as we could
Speaker 1: see around the country right now. You can get on
Speaker 1: Twitter and round up a mob, a virtual mob, but a
Speaker 1: a matter of minutes. I also think in our case,
Speaker 1: he just that sucks. They were not happy with the
Speaker 1: morning shows. They were made their feelings clear when we
Speaker 1: were when we criticized him, and I'm not trying about
Speaker 1: criticizing him unfairly, even just whatever, making fun of a
Speaker 1: dealing with hungry for something, and they would call management,
Speaker 1: and management would immediately apologize and make us call us.
Speaker 1: And then the team was the one getting money from
Speaker 1: the station, and yet the team was the one calling
Speaker 1: all the shots. It never made me sense to me,
Speaker 1: But the teams became, you know, at least in my world,
Speaker 1: the team became much more powerful and in control of
Speaker 1: the station. Which is that. I mean, if people know
Speaker 1: that you're in the tank for a team, they don't
Speaker 1: respect your opinion about the team anymore. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a problem too. Jerry, you gotta go back real
Speaker 1: quick on this, so correct me if I'm wrong. But
Speaker 1: you said that you brought a stripper on and she
Speaker 1: let herself on fire. Yeah, so you have you have
Speaker 1: a stripper that comes on, let lights herself on fire,
Speaker 1: performs Ben has males come on a show, they drink
Speaker 1: their own piss and then light themselves on fire. Maybe
Speaker 1: I should be Emboston not Los Angeles. Those days are over.
Speaker 1: It was funny because they she burnt a little hole
Speaker 1: in the studio wall and stay there forever she did
Speaker 1: to her nest. And then she did one of my
Speaker 1: sidekicks my co hosts. Sheep like burnt his cut chair.
Speaker 1: He had jeans on, so she just had you know,
Speaker 1: lighter fluid. She lit over the up and it was
Speaker 1: pretty wild and we laughed and had a good time.
Speaker 1: And maybe someone wrote a letter, but it wasn't a
Speaker 1: big deal. Now you probably get the thousand tweets and
Speaker 1: tis that day somebody really wanted to round up the moss.
Speaker 1: It could come after you, which is why stuff like
Speaker 1: that just isn't done anymore, even if it's you know, entertaining.
Speaker 1: Even if I said for all the listeners it was
Speaker 1: some you know, so you hunder um woman fully closed
Speaker 1: pretending to do that. Right, could then just some some
Speaker 1: that pretending to be in his radio There was no camera,
Speaker 1: So why could it be offensive? How does that offensive here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was different rules that that was years ago. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe Becauseterne set the prone and other people did it.
Speaker 1: It didn't really make a deal out of it. But
Speaker 1: now there's no way in health they would never allow it.
Speaker 1: If you did it, you know, there's been would be
Speaker 1: someone you know, protesting the next day and they'd want
Speaker 1: your ass on the platter. And they did get it,
Speaker 1: they would get it. Yeah, Jerry, the thing about the
Speaker 1: Twitter mob, I feel like it's the matrix. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not realized. There was a study done he probably
Speaker 1: saw it a few days ago that said that the
Speaker 1: top ten of people on Twitter are responsible for eight
Speaker 1: percent of the content that is created in the United States.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about ten and and you look at
Speaker 1: the overall numbers about the US population, how many people
Speaker 1: are actually on Twitter, how many active users? You're talking
Speaker 1: about a handful of people that are dictating to major companies,
Speaker 1: major advertisers, and to to get rid of people, how
Speaker 1: how is that allot are we going to have an
Speaker 1: awakening here at some point, Jerry, where people realize that
Speaker 1: this is complete bullshit. We can say that on the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, what's the man? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the podcast today we were going down the list was,
Speaker 1: you know, cow Patrol is is getting canceled, and Pops
Speaker 1: the sub cons after twenty seven years is getting canceled.
Speaker 1: The reason and the reason for it is they want
Speaker 1: they don't like positive portrayals of cops. And I still
Speaker 1: imagine that whatever fifty years ago is we're having to change.
Speaker 1: Hollywood is making these changes because they're being pressured not
Speaker 1: to police officers in a positive way. You'd say, that's insane,
Speaker 1: that's so happened. I could. I mean, I got it's
Speaker 1: like the guy in psycholto that maybe in siots are
Speaker 1: saying all lives model, what what does this rust? Or
Speaker 1: the guy in the New York Times, so helfu a qualititor.
Speaker 1: That's science because you want a headline of building is
Speaker 1: batter because of historic buildings are being evangelized, and they
Speaker 1: said buildings matter, you get fired, you get science. So
Speaker 1: it is scary time. I'm glad I'm not twenty three
Speaker 1: trying to get into the business because I mean, you
Speaker 1: would just you just have so many rules to follow
Speaker 1: just to survive. I don't know, I always I wonder
Speaker 1: that too. Ben likes the pendulum gonna swing back the
Speaker 1: other way. It sure doesn't seem that way. It sure
Speaker 1: seems like the uh, you know, the barbarians are inside
Speaker 1: the gate now and they are going away when you
Speaker 1: see just the way they I mean, we where I am.
Speaker 1: The politicians are the worst. I mean that they just
Speaker 1: bounded the whims of every morning. They're all into the
Speaker 1: defunding the cops. Now they're own, you know, Black Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter. On the day that they took over the
Speaker 1: Seattle City Hall and by the way, six blocks of
Speaker 1: Seattle um, the wrestler John Cena gave him a million
Speaker 1: dollars and we talked about that on the podcast my
Speaker 1: podcast today, like, can you explain this to me the guy, Obviously,
Speaker 1: John Cena feels like it's good publicity or whatever giving
Speaker 1: a million dollars to play Black Lives Matter. But if
Speaker 1: you turned on the news, John, you would see the
Speaker 1: occupied city Hall. They're participating in a lot of these
Speaker 1: riots and they're a big part of this occupation of
Speaker 1: six blocks of Seattle. I mean, are you not supporting
Speaker 1: little lawlessness? I mean they are all kinds of co
Speaker 1: operations that are giving a half a million or a
Speaker 1: million or more uh to Black Lives Matter. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: first of all, there's lots of good causes and not seen.
Speaker 1: It is a very terrible time. What are you picking
Speaker 1: this for because you've been shamed into it or because
Speaker 1: they've prosecute Because if you don't, they're gonna say, what
Speaker 1: are you a racist? I mean, they don't need your money.
Speaker 1: They're you know, they're not right now, They're they're not
Speaker 1: doing very constructive things at the moment. You can find
Speaker 1: op chanities to to help out. Yeah, yeah. And and
Speaker 1: the police thing to defund the police, which has been
Speaker 1: spreading around here and people just knocking the police. Listen,
Speaker 1: I I support the police, and I know you do too, Jerry.
Speaker 1: And and it's like if you say that, they're like,
Speaker 1: while you're racist, you can't say you support the police.
Speaker 1: How do we get to again? How do we get
Speaker 1: I'm just wrapping my head around all of this because
Speaker 1: like I know, there's bad cops and the and they
Speaker 1: obviously need to be taken care of. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you get if you have one bad apple, you
Speaker 1: don't throw out all the apples. And they want to
Speaker 1: throw out all the apples. Jerry and the and the
Speaker 1: bad apple that caused all this is going to prison
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life, life of pure hell.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got arrested, he's gonna get I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get evicted. But I'm older. I think I'm
Speaker 1: older than you, guys. I remember a time when you
Speaker 1: were supposed to respect and admire police, and people were
Speaker 1: actually like cheering for them in public and buying them coffee,
Speaker 1: and there were TV commercials about what heroes they were.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember it was like
Speaker 1: three weeks ago. Remember that three four three four weeks ago,
Speaker 1: the middle of the pandemic, you know, or something like
Speaker 1: seven thousand in New York. Cops got the virus because
Speaker 1: they were on the front lines fighting and there were
Speaker 1: cops everywhere doing good work, and we were supposed to
Speaker 1: stand and cheer when we saw them. And because you
Speaker 1: know whatever, a handful of activists decided one day that
Speaker 1: all I mean a new finger is the thing they
Speaker 1: stake paid is a c A p all cops are bastards,
Speaker 1: and it's like everywhere and these and these riots and
Speaker 1: news occupied and I'm saying, wait a sect three weeks
Speaker 1: ago all cops were he those Yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: crazy and you know, not the reference a book because
Speaker 1: we you know, we're sports radio guys, but you're a writer.
Speaker 1: The Orwellian thought police from the book N is like
Speaker 1: and I read that years ago, you know, and I
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, but it's really true. They the Grand
Speaker 1: Napier thing is the greatest example saying all lives matter,
Speaker 1: which most reasonable people with common sense will say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get that, but the thought police, the activists are like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't say that. We have banned that phrase, and
Speaker 1: so like, who are the people? I guess the question
Speaker 1: is who are the people that decide what's allowed and
Speaker 1: what's not allowed? And how how have they came so
Speaker 1: much traction in the last couple of years wild because
Speaker 1: because there's nothing the people fear more than being labeled racist,
Speaker 1: and they don't they don't buckle to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: black lives matter, or to the people that are carrying
Speaker 1: the water the media that they see. Media sends his
Speaker 1: work because it gets there all on board. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't do everything they demand. That includes not
Speaker 1: saying all of them, not only the guys say it. Man.
Speaker 1: He said it, not in a way of like throwing
Speaker 1: it in the guy's face and like we're shooting Black
Speaker 1: lives matter. He kind of saying the anciliatory way. He said,
Speaker 1: always matter, do every single one, like I care about everybody.
Speaker 1: And the freaking guy is out of work now because
Speaker 1: of it. And there's and you know what's what makes
Speaker 1: it worse is there's very little outrage. I mean there
Speaker 1: are people who saying, yeah, good. I mean they're very
Speaker 1: very little outrage when there's something so insane because they're
Speaker 1: afraid to be in the next you know, no one
Speaker 1: wants to be next. Yeah. Well, and Jerry. Also, the
Speaker 1: thing about Grant Napier is that not only did he
Speaker 1: get fired for that, but then they said he was
Speaker 1: like a racist, that guy thirty years as an NBA
Speaker 1: play by play guy just because he had strong opinions.
Speaker 1: And DeMarcus Cousins didn't like what he said about him
Speaker 1: on the radio. And Chris Webber, which is, you know, Jerry,
Speaker 1: you've done the job great. You have to be critical
Speaker 1: of athletes that to do the job right, at least
Speaker 1: the way I was raised doing the radio. You've got
Speaker 1: to be critical. It's not you're not doing your job.
Speaker 1: And because he was critical of grand Napier, he became
Speaker 1: a racist. You can't even criticize or a grant aper
Speaker 1: criticizing the Marcus Cousins. Rather. I mean so, I guess
Speaker 1: the lesson is, if you're gonna be a play by
Speaker 1: play guy and a talk you can't be a talk
Speaker 1: shows at least an opinion that talk shows. Right, you're
Speaker 1: gonnaken trouble for that. No, you can't know there's you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be my cream bird. That's the goal. I
Speaker 1: guess for some people, everyone's just gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: everyone was gonna sound the same and just escape their
Speaker 1: laying and be as careful as possible. It's very very discouraging. Um.
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe right, maybe it's swing the other way.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel that way right now. It feels like
Speaker 1: the the inmates are in full controls. I'm asylum right now,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. We'll see a time. Jerry, what
Speaker 1: are you doing now? Anyway? I'm obviously the uh, everything
Speaker 1: is still flammable in terms of sports and politics and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But what are you doing professionally now that you are?
Speaker 1: I do a podcast daily called the Jerry Callahan Podcast,
Speaker 1: which is me the same guy. Wasn't I get to swear, however,
Speaker 1: and I get to say what I want. I don't
Speaker 1: get cold in the boss's office. And it's it's doing
Speaker 1: very well, doing a health not better than my old station. Um.
Speaker 1: And you can find it in all the usual places
Speaker 1: we were, you know, we we the slogan or whatever
Speaker 1: the on the on the locals, it's uh, Jerry Callahan Podcast, Politics,
Speaker 1: sports and revenge, and we have done a lot of
Speaker 1: all three lately. As you know, there's not that much sports.
Speaker 1: Although I gotta say the Drewbries thing is insane. That's
Speaker 1: another example of the country. I mean, the meat whatever
Speaker 1: gone the same. And the guy said what he said,
Speaker 1: which is it started to answer to a question about
Speaker 1: kneeling for the anthem, just talking to love and his
Speaker 1: kind countree, and he's I believe he's apologized twenty seven times.
Speaker 1: Now is life suppologize as his kids are apologizing and
Speaker 1: neighbors are apologizing for what? I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: think if they could do it the Drew Brees. I
Speaker 1: think they know this. Everyone knows this. They could do
Speaker 1: it to anybody, and so they exceed They succeeded in
Speaker 1: kind of preemptively shutting everybody up on this topic. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you my prediction I've made this week is
Speaker 1: on Week one, when the NFL puts up rod to
Speaker 1: Goodell will be there and he will take a knee.
Speaker 1: Goodell himself will take a knee. That's how far we've come.
Speaker 1: Every all these guys will, you know, Brady probably will.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be just a whole new world out there.
Speaker 1: And it's not that they believe in the cause, because
Speaker 1: we don't even know what the cause is. Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 1: is smart enough to not open his mouth. He never
Speaker 1: says anything because I don't know that he could articulate it.
Speaker 1: But everyone will be on board. It's going to be
Speaker 1: very dangerous to, you know, stance the anthem or tell
Speaker 1: everyone how much you love your country or how much
Speaker 1: you respect the military. Those are going to be dangerous
Speaker 1: words very soon, whether person or professionally. You mentioned you're
Speaker 1: a couple of years older than us. Have you ever
Speaker 1: experienced anything like this since you've been born, no God,
Speaker 1: no nothing, nothing even not even close. And I liked
Speaker 1: to be on the adding, you know, big stories like
Speaker 1: I felt, you know, like it was what we're there for,
Speaker 1: you know, we did, you know we're there for. Not
Speaker 1: eleven of planes went in the building while I was
Speaker 1: on the air, and we talked about it immediately and
Speaker 1: every day for weeks and weeks. And we were on
Speaker 1: the air after the mathon bombings, and while they were
Speaker 1: searching for the Zigny apps, which was right in our neighborhood,
Speaker 1: and we were we had the Watertown cops in the
Speaker 1: studio right after the shootout. So I mean, I like
Speaker 1: that kind of those kind of stories, the big stories.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can't. It's certainly more interesting
Speaker 1: than you know, the next day's starting pitching matchup or whatever.
Speaker 1: But nothing like this, truly nothing. I mean, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: The you know, we destroyed the economy voluntarily in this
Speaker 1: country over the last three months. We had these lockdowns
Speaker 1: where you couldn't go out in public without being called selfish,
Speaker 1: you couldn't go to the park, you were called selfish.
Speaker 1: And then immediately instantly because of one bad cup, who
Speaker 1: did one awful, evil thing we have, you know, two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people in the streets in Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: everyone's said, is that wonderful? Just a bizarre time, And
Speaker 1: I'm glad I at least have an out where the
Speaker 1: podcast to talk about it, because man don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about Well, what about your your personal relationships? Because
Speaker 1: we talked so much. Ben and I talked about just
Speaker 1: the way that social media is and colleagues and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But we all have friends and family that are either
Speaker 1: right eas or lefties or somewhere in between. Have you
Speaker 1: severed ties with people that are in your personal circle
Speaker 1: just because they've been so outlandished one way or the
Speaker 1: other that like, in this kind of an environment, it's
Speaker 1: there's no point in having those people around anymore. I
Speaker 1: I don't severtise with them, but they sometimes advertise with men.
Speaker 1: I can handle it, you know. I I say this
Speaker 1: all the time, like I get liberal friends of hate
Speaker 1: Trump and and I don't debate them, just like Ow
Speaker 1: the Data co host or car and I don't take
Speaker 1: it personally, but they do. You know, I have family,
Speaker 1: so I avoid it with certain people, but I don't mind.
Speaker 1: And how gladly talk about this. Whatever the issues here
Speaker 1: today with with the riots or the pandemic or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't understand that most people, especially here. I see
Speaker 1: that being raised in Boston and go to school here,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I've always been outnumbered. There's always been
Speaker 1: more crazy liberals and you know, people like me. So
Speaker 1: I'm used to it. And I've worked in journalism so
Speaker 1: used to being outnumbered. I don't mind. I like to Jerry.
Speaker 1: I want to ask one more question before I turn
Speaker 1: it back over to Bed. This is a personal question. Um,
Speaker 1: if I put you in the garden in a game
Speaker 1: seven and you needed one guy, would you rather have
Speaker 1: Jonathan Quick or took a risk? I need to be honest.
Speaker 1: I bet Larry Bird come on question. I thought you'd
Speaker 1: ask me like Jordan a bird and answered. I was
Speaker 1: gonna answer before you finished question. Would there we almost
Speaker 1: every os career and it was just never seeming like
Speaker 1: it was a treat every night. It just so tough
Speaker 1: and so cuch. But I don't know. I'll take the
Speaker 1: local kid because there you go, Jerry. I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the Red Sox thing with the statement
Speaker 1: they issued about the racism and all that, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been to Boston a few times over
Speaker 1: the years and and I've never seen that. I know,
Speaker 1: obviously the history of Boston going way back. You guys
Speaker 1: when you had the Morning show you had talked a
Speaker 1: lot about and it was the Adam Jones thing a
Speaker 1: at Fenway a few years ago, Like like, what is
Speaker 1: what is the real stories? Like it seems like people
Speaker 1: just repeat that is Boston racist, like the media portrays it?
Speaker 1: Is it as bad as it worse? I mean, where,
Speaker 1: what's the real story? I know the old history too.
Speaker 1: It used to be racist. General manager the cold Jack Roberts,
Speaker 1: and I want to take her ups and try it
Speaker 1: out and take that leaping on one off the field.
Speaker 1: They didn't get a tower? Are so to take a
Speaker 1: shower on all the stories going over today on my podcast? Um?
Speaker 1: You know what I denied the history they had in
Speaker 1: the Cobs, which is some kind of berry and Johns
Speaker 1: Patrick who was there for decades, who was raping young Rob.
Speaker 1: I brought kids went to Haven training and he would
Speaker 1: play them in ever with them. And this went on
Speaker 1: for years and I found a big cat and busted
Speaker 1: and died. And I think that it still owners looked
Speaker 1: the other way when this was going on. Sometimes will
Speaker 1: solve the history. That doesn't make what Tory Hutter or
Speaker 1: Adam John said true. I mean if you look at
Speaker 1: it and says that's what happened this week. Then and
Speaker 1: they had to do the interview in Boston had said
Speaker 1: whatever his clients in the field, the a group of
Speaker 1: five kids chanted the N word, and he actually did
Speaker 1: it on the radio cha to the N word, and
Speaker 1: a whole group of adults have said clapped and laughed
Speaker 1: along with them. Now that is on its face, that
Speaker 1: is impossible to believe. That it is not by facts.
Speaker 1: That's impossible to believe. Nobody reporting, nobody said anything. He
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. This was like pen pen trap, wasn't
Speaker 1: he didn't see anything. If the pap told nobody, he
Speaker 1: just decided now to make this story up. And everybody
Speaker 1: knows it's you know, it's it's bols that can happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying things like that. Hasn't have to put
Speaker 1: the past. But this example and he game is just
Speaker 1: made up. The world socks of course, and the planters
Speaker 1: that they are put out a statement saying what toys
Speaker 1: experience was, It's real. It happens, And I said, they
Speaker 1: believe that. They just said thinks acts happened, and they
Speaker 1: said that that's seven complaint for last year racial stars
Speaker 1: in the stands. Now there are three three million fans
Speaker 1: over with anyone games said that. I don't know, is
Speaker 1: that a lot of that? A little? How many of
Speaker 1: the Yankees have We don't know how many thes the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: who knows, But they said it happens because they like
Speaker 1: everyone else. Now, they put out a picture of the
Speaker 1: new general manager at his desk in his office, and
Speaker 1: they put a picture on the wall behind it to
Speaker 1: say black lick does matter, and another picture of Luther
Speaker 1: came next to it. That's how much. That's how much
Speaker 1: these guys paying it. They have that list are haped
Speaker 1: to call stories h to a liar. They don't believe
Speaker 1: the story either, but they don't want to say it
Speaker 1: because it will make them look racist. If so, that's
Speaker 1: the situation, you know, the again the mob wins again
Speaker 1: the mob. He isn't control of things. The mob has
Speaker 1: to put the red sox in Kimmid David. And that's
Speaker 1: how they operate. They don't have any black people in
Speaker 1: the front office and all black, a black manager in
Speaker 1: a hollow lot of black people. But god, they think
Speaker 1: black lives matter. So give him a pun on the head.
Speaker 1: There you go. And and Jerry one one final point.
Speaker 1: You gotta tell the story. You went to the White
Speaker 1: House a few years ago and uh it was with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. And what was that? Like, I trump yelled
Speaker 1: your name. I remember I heard you guys played the audio.
Speaker 1: He could like kind of barely hear it, but he
Speaker 1: he like acknowledging that was pretty cool. What was what
Speaker 1: was that? Like? They were up they were up in
Speaker 1: the balcony or whatever that's called up in the balcony.
Speaker 1: He gave a bunch of players in the class a tour,
Speaker 1: chumped it after a ceremony. You take them, you know,
Speaker 1: doing the thing. And so we're outside looking up and
Speaker 1: they come out on the balcony. Bob crafts that's Jerry
Speaker 1: Calley had done it. He's a big supporter yours. And
Speaker 1: he said thanks Jerry, and he yells my name. I said, Spross,
Speaker 1: you know, and audio and there's another game made Jerry
Speaker 1: the front of us, he claimed to the sampan wasn't
Speaker 1: even was like somewhere else. But uh so I got
Speaker 1: a shout out from the President at that time, which
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. That was the day and Hernandez on
Speaker 1: himself killed himself. That day. We went on the air,
Speaker 1: book the news, and then what happened went to the
Speaker 1: White House. It was a big day. Wow, that is
Speaker 1: a big day. Jerry. Thanks for doing this again. The
Speaker 1: Callahan podcast right's available where we get podcasts, you can
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Speaker 1: awesome downloaded, subscribe to it, give Jerry a good review
Speaker 1: and continues sex success. Jerry, thanks for coming on. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks Jerry. Sure, Thank guys. Thanks thanks for
Speaker 1: having me.