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Speaker 1: were great, You're very kind of me, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: had fun there, and it sucks that the way it ended.

429
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: And as you said, the station's gone on the toilets

430
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Speaker 1: since you guys left, and and that new morning show

431
00:22:53,200 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: is not exactly taken off unfortunately. It feels like the

432
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: industry getting scared and powering and playing it safe, and

433
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: everybody's you know, walking on egg shows because it wasn't

434
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: the freedom that we used to have. And you can

435
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Speaker 1: have and you could tell them people, you've got to

436
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: have the freedom do the talk show, any kind of

437
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: talk show. You can't be afraid of stepping on a

438
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: on a mind every time on the air. And that's

439
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Speaker 1: what lot of guys earn it, and Jerry walk me through.

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Speaker 1: I know you got a longerer writer at the Herald

441
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Speaker 1: and you you worked at Sports Illustrative, Like, at what

442
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Speaker 1: point and you mentioned this, at what point did the

443
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Speaker 1: media companies indoor censorship? Because it certainly feels like we're

444
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Speaker 1: heading that direction where if you don't agree, they want

445
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Speaker 1: to silence you. And and it wasn't like that for

446
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Speaker 1: a long time, but at some point within the last

447
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many years has happened. Why is

448
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Speaker 1: it happening? Well, A couple of things I think is

449
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Speaker 1: the uh Twitter, the social media has made it so

450
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: much easier to round up a mob and go after

451
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Speaker 1: a guy, or go after the station. Like I said,

452
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: I keep playing some of the stuff that we did.

453
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: We once set a strip. We don't do the sports

454
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Speaker 1: mostly the John Dennis and I had a stripper come in.

455
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Speaker 1: She was performing and she she lit herself on fire

456
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Speaker 1: in the studio and we were in then laughing. And

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Speaker 1: I'll remember because the Midday Wholesdale he complained, Uh, we

458
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Speaker 1: did it, and we're like, we don't look at its

459
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Speaker 1: radio which sound I mean, but we did crazy stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, and uh, no one thought anything of it.

461
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Speaker 1: Now If you did that, you get a thousand or

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Speaker 1: more tweets or texts or emails. It was just harder

463
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Speaker 1: to complain when you had to write a letter. It's

464
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: much easier to round up a mob, as we could

465
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: see around the country right now. You can get on

466
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Speaker 1: Twitter and round up a mob, a virtual mob, but a

467
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Speaker 1: a matter of minutes. I also think in our case,

468
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Speaker 1: he just that sucks. They were not happy with the

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Speaker 1: morning shows. They were made their feelings clear when we

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Speaker 1: were when we criticized him, and I'm not trying about

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Speaker 1: criticizing him unfairly, even just whatever, making fun of a

472
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Speaker 1: dealing with hungry for something, and they would call management,

473
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: and management would immediately apologize and make us call us.

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Speaker 1: And then the team was the one getting money from

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Speaker 1: the station, and yet the team was the one calling

476
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Speaker 1: all the shots. It never made me sense to me,

477
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Speaker 1: But the teams became, you know, at least in my world,

478
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Speaker 1: the team became much more powerful and in control of

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Speaker 1: the station. Which is that. I mean, if people know

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Speaker 1: that you're in the tank for a team, they don't

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Speaker 1: respect your opinion about the team anymore. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's a problem too. Jerry, you gotta go back real

483
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Speaker 1: quick on this, so correct me if I'm wrong. But

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Speaker 1: you said that you brought a stripper on and she

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Speaker 1: let herself on fire. Yeah, so you have you have

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Speaker 1: a stripper that comes on, let lights herself on fire,

487
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: performs Ben has males come on a show, they drink

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Speaker 1: their own piss and then light themselves on fire. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I should be Emboston not Los Angeles. Those days are over.

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Speaker 1: It was funny because they she burnt a little hole

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Speaker 1: in the studio wall and stay there forever she did

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Speaker 1: to her nest. And then she did one of my

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Speaker 1: sidekicks my co hosts. Sheep like burnt his cut chair.

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Speaker 1: He had jeans on, so she just had you know,

495
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Speaker 1: lighter fluid. She lit over the up and it was

496
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Speaker 1: pretty wild and we laughed and had a good time.

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Speaker 1: And maybe someone wrote a letter, but it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: big deal. Now you probably get the thousand tweets and

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Speaker 1: tis that day somebody really wanted to round up the moss.

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Speaker 1: It could come after you, which is why stuff like

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Speaker 1: that just isn't done anymore, even if it's you know, entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Even if I said for all the listeners it was

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Speaker 1: some you know, so you hunder um woman fully closed

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Speaker 1: pretending to do that. Right, could then just some some

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Speaker 1: that pretending to be in his radio There was no camera,

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Speaker 1: So why could it be offensive? How does that offensive here? Yeah,

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00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: it was different rules that that was years ago. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe Becauseterne set the prone and other people did it.

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Speaker 1: It didn't really make a deal out of it. But

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Speaker 1: now there's no way in health they would never allow it.

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Speaker 1: If you did it, you know, there's been would be

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Speaker 1: someone you know, protesting the next day and they'd want

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Speaker 1: your ass on the platter. And they did get it,

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Speaker 1: they would get it. Yeah, Jerry, the thing about the

515
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: Twitter mob, I feel like it's the matrix. It's not

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Speaker 1: it's not realized. There was a study done he probably

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Speaker 1: saw it a few days ago that said that the

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Speaker 1: top ten of people on Twitter are responsible for eight

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Speaker 1: percent of the content that is created in the United States.

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00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: So you're talking about ten and and you look at

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00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: the overall numbers about the US population, how many people

522
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: are actually on Twitter, how many active users? You're talking

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Speaker 1: about a handful of people that are dictating to major companies,

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00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: major advertisers, and to to get rid of people, how

525
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: how is that allot are we going to have an

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00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: awakening here at some point, Jerry, where people realize that

527
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: this is complete bullshit. We can say that on the podcast. Yeah,

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00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, what's the man? I mean, I

529
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Speaker 1: think the podcast today we were going down the list was,

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00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, cow Patrol is is getting canceled, and Pops

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Speaker 1: the sub cons after twenty seven years is getting canceled.

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00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: The reason and the reason for it is they want

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Speaker 1: they don't like positive portrayals of cops. And I still

534
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: imagine that whatever fifty years ago is we're having to change.

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00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: Hollywood is making these changes because they're being pressured not

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Speaker 1: to police officers in a positive way. You'd say, that's insane,

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00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: that's so happened. I could. I mean, I got it's

538
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: like the guy in psycholto that maybe in siots are

539
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: saying all lives model, what what does this rust? Or

540
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: the guy in the New York Times, so helfu a qualititor.

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Speaker 1: That's science because you want a headline of building is

542
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: batter because of historic buildings are being evangelized, and they

543
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: said buildings matter, you get fired, you get science. So

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00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: it is scary time. I'm glad I'm not twenty three

545
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: trying to get into the business because I mean, you

546
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: would just you just have so many rules to follow

547
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: just to survive. I don't know, I always I wonder

548
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: that too. Ben likes the pendulum gonna swing back the

549
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: other way. It sure doesn't seem that way. It sure

550
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: seems like the uh, you know, the barbarians are inside

551
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: the gate now and they are going away when you

552
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: see just the way they I mean, we where I am.

553
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: The politicians are the worst. I mean that they just

554
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: bounded the whims of every morning. They're all into the

555
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Speaker 1: defunding the cops. Now they're own, you know, Black Black

556
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Speaker 1: Lives Matter. On the day that they took over the

557
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Speaker 1: Seattle City Hall and by the way, six blocks of

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Speaker 1: Seattle um, the wrestler John Cena gave him a million

559
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Speaker 1: dollars and we talked about that on the podcast my

560
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: podcast today, like, can you explain this to me the guy, Obviously,

561
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Speaker 1: John Cena feels like it's good publicity or whatever giving

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Speaker 1: a million dollars to play Black Lives Matter. But if

563
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Speaker 1: you turned on the news, John, you would see the

564
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Speaker 1: occupied city Hall. They're participating in a lot of these

565
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Speaker 1: riots and they're a big part of this occupation of

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Speaker 1: six blocks of Seattle. I mean, are you not supporting

567
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Speaker 1: little lawlessness? I mean they are all kinds of co

568
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Speaker 1: operations that are giving a half a million or a

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Speaker 1: million or more uh to Black Lives Matter. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, there's lots of good causes and not seen.

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Speaker 1: It is a very terrible time. What are you picking

572
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: this for because you've been shamed into it or because

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00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: they've prosecute Because if you don't, they're gonna say, what

574
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: are you a racist? I mean, they don't need your money.

575
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: They're you know, they're not right now, They're they're not

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00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: doing very constructive things at the moment. You can find

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00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: op chanities to to help out. Yeah, yeah. And and

578
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: the police thing to defund the police, which has been

579
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: spreading around here and people just knocking the police. Listen,

580
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: I I support the police, and I know you do too, Jerry.

581
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: And and it's like if you say that, they're like,

582
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: while you're racist, you can't say you support the police.

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00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: How do we get to again? How do we get

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00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm just wrapping my head around all of this because

585
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: like I know, there's bad cops and the and they

586
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: obviously need to be taken care of. But that doesn't

587
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: mean you get if you have one bad apple, you

588
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: don't throw out all the apples. And they want to

589
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: throw out all the apples. Jerry and the and the

590
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: bad apple that caused all this is going to prison

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Speaker 1: for the rest of his life, life of pure hell.

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00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he got arrested, he's gonna get I think

593
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna get evicted. But I'm older. I think I'm

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00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: older than you, guys. I remember a time when you

595
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: were supposed to respect and admire police, and people were

596
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Speaker 1: actually like cheering for them in public and buying them coffee,

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00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: and there were TV commercials about what heroes they were.

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00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember it was like

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Speaker 1: three weeks ago. Remember that three four three four weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: the middle of the pandemic, you know, or something like

601
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Speaker 1: seven thousand in New York. Cops got the virus because

602
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: they were on the front lines fighting and there were

603
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: cops everywhere doing good work, and we were supposed to

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Speaker 1: stand and cheer when we saw them. And because you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, a handful of activists decided one day that

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Speaker 1: all I mean a new finger is the thing they

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00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: stake paid is a c A p all cops are bastards,

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00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: and it's like everywhere and these and these riots and

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Speaker 1: news occupied and I'm saying, wait a sect three weeks

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Speaker 1: ago all cops were he those Yeah, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: crazy and you know, not the reference a book because

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00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: we you know, we're sports radio guys, but you're a writer.

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00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: The Orwellian thought police from the book N is like

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Speaker 1: and I read that years ago, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, whatever, but it's really true. They the Grand

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Speaker 1: Napier thing is the greatest example saying all lives matter,

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Speaker 1: which most reasonable people with common sense will say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get that, but the thought police, the activists are like, no,

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Speaker 1: you can't say that. We have banned that phrase, and

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Speaker 1: so like, who are the people? I guess the question

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Speaker 1: is who are the people that decide what's allowed and

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Speaker 1: what's not allowed? And how how have they came so

623
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Speaker 1: much traction in the last couple of years wild because

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00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: because there's nothing the people fear more than being labeled racist,

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Speaker 1: and they don't they don't buckle to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: black lives matter, or to the people that are carrying

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Speaker 1: the water the media that they see. Media sends his

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Speaker 1: work because it gets there all on board. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you don't do everything they demand. That includes not

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Speaker 1: saying all of them, not only the guys say it. Man.

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Speaker 1: He said it, not in a way of like throwing

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Speaker 1: it in the guy's face and like we're shooting Black

633
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Speaker 1: lives matter. He kind of saying the anciliatory way. He said,

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Speaker 1: always matter, do every single one, like I care about everybody.

635
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: And the freaking guy is out of work now because

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Speaker 1: of it. And there's and you know what's what makes

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Speaker 1: it worse is there's very little outrage. I mean there

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Speaker 1: are people who saying, yeah, good. I mean they're very

639
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: very little outrage when there's something so insane because they're

640
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Speaker 1: afraid to be in the next you know, no one

641
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: wants to be next. Yeah. Well, and Jerry. Also, the

642
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: thing about Grant Napier is that not only did he

643
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: get fired for that, but then they said he was

644
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: like a racist, that guy thirty years as an NBA

645
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: play by play guy just because he had strong opinions.

646
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: And DeMarcus Cousins didn't like what he said about him

647
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: on the radio. And Chris Webber, which is, you know, Jerry,

648
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: you've done the job great. You have to be critical

649
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: of athletes that to do the job right, at least

650
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: the way I was raised doing the radio. You've got

651
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: to be critical. It's not you're not doing your job.

652
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: And because he was critical of grand Napier, he became

653
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: a racist. You can't even criticize or a grant aper

654
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: criticizing the Marcus Cousins. Rather. I mean so, I guess

655
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: the lesson is, if you're gonna be a play by

656
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: play guy and a talk you can't be a talk

657
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: shows at least an opinion that talk shows. Right, you're

658
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: gonnaken trouble for that. No, you can't know there's you know,

659
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be my cream bird. That's the goal. I

660
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: guess for some people, everyone's just gonna be you know,

661
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: everyone was gonna sound the same and just escape their

662
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: laying and be as careful as possible. It's very very discouraging. Um.

663
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe right, maybe it's swing the other way.

664
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel that way right now. It feels like

665
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: the the inmates are in full controls. I'm asylum right now,

666
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: but I don't know. We'll see a time. Jerry, what

667
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: are you doing now? Anyway? I'm obviously the uh, everything

668
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: is still flammable in terms of sports and politics and whatnot.

669
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: But what are you doing professionally now that you are?

670
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I do a podcast daily called the Jerry Callahan Podcast,

671
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: which is me the same guy. Wasn't I get to swear, however,

672
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: and I get to say what I want. I don't

673
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: get cold in the boss's office. And it's it's doing

674
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: very well, doing a health not better than my old station. Um.

675
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: And you can find it in all the usual places

676
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: we were, you know, we we the slogan or whatever

677
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: the on the on the locals, it's uh, Jerry Callahan Podcast, Politics,

678
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: sports and revenge, and we have done a lot of

679
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: all three lately. As you know, there's not that much sports.

680
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: Although I gotta say the Drewbries thing is insane. That's

681
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: another example of the country. I mean, the meat whatever

682
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: gone the same. And the guy said what he said,

683
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: which is it started to answer to a question about

684
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: kneeling for the anthem, just talking to love and his

685
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: kind countree, and he's I believe he's apologized twenty seven times.

686
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: Now is life suppologize as his kids are apologizing and

687
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: neighbors are apologizing for what? I don't know, but I

688
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: think if they could do it the Drew Brees. I

689
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: think they know this. Everyone knows this. They could do

690
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: it to anybody, and so they exceed They succeeded in

691
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: kind of preemptively shutting everybody up on this topic. And

692
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm telling you my prediction I've made this week is

693
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: on Week one, when the NFL puts up rod to

694
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Goodell will be there and he will take a knee.

695
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: Goodell himself will take a knee. That's how far we've come.

696
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: Every all these guys will, you know, Brady probably will.

697
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna be just a whole new world out there.

698
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: And it's not that they believe in the cause, because

699
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: we don't even know what the cause is. Colin Kaepernick

700
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: is smart enough to not open his mouth. He never

701
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: says anything because I don't know that he could articulate it.

702
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: But everyone will be on board. It's going to be

703
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: very dangerous to, you know, stance the anthem or tell

704
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: everyone how much you love your country or how much

705
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: you respect the military. Those are going to be dangerous

706
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: words very soon, whether person or professionally. You mentioned you're

707
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years older than us. Have you ever

708
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: experienced anything like this since you've been born, no God,

709
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: no nothing, nothing even not even close. And I liked

710
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: to be on the adding, you know, big stories like

711
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: I felt, you know, like it was what we're there for,

712
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, we did, you know we're there for. Not

713
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: eleven of planes went in the building while I was

714
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: on the air, and we talked about it immediately and

715
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: every day for weeks and weeks. And we were on

716
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: the air after the mathon bombings, and while they were

717
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: searching for the Zigny apps, which was right in our neighborhood,

718
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: and we were we had the Watertown cops in the

719
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: studio right after the shootout. So I mean, I like

720
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: that kind of those kind of stories, the big stories.

721
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can't. It's certainly more interesting

722
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: than you know, the next day's starting pitching matchup or whatever.

723
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: But nothing like this, truly nothing. I mean, it's incredible.

724
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: The you know, we destroyed the economy voluntarily in this

725
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: country over the last three months. We had these lockdowns

726
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: where you couldn't go out in public without being called selfish,

727
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: you couldn't go to the park, you were called selfish.

728
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: And then immediately instantly because of one bad cup, who

729
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: did one awful, evil thing we have, you know, two

730
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people in the streets in Los Angeles, and

731
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: everyone's said, is that wonderful? Just a bizarre time, And

732
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad I at least have an out where the

733
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: podcast to talk about it, because man don't want to

734
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: talk about Well, what about your your personal relationships? Because

735
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: we talked so much. Ben and I talked about just

736
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: the way that social media is and colleagues and whatnot.

737
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: But we all have friends and family that are either

738
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: right eas or lefties or somewhere in between. Have you

739
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: severed ties with people that are in your personal circle

740
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: just because they've been so outlandished one way or the

741
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: other that like, in this kind of an environment, it's

742
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: there's no point in having those people around anymore. I

743
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't severtise with them, but they sometimes advertise with men.

744
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I can handle it, you know. I I say this

745
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: all the time, like I get liberal friends of hate

746
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: Trump and and I don't debate them, just like Ow

747
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: the Data co host or car and I don't take

748
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: it personally, but they do. You know, I have family,

749
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: so I avoid it with certain people, but I don't mind.

750
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: And how gladly talk about this. Whatever the issues here

751
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: today with with the riots or the pandemic or whatever.

752
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't understand that most people, especially here. I see

753
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: that being raised in Boston and go to school here,

754
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: and I mean, I've always been outnumbered. There's always been

755
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: more crazy liberals and you know, people like me. So

756
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm used to it. And I've worked in journalism so

757
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: used to being outnumbered. I don't mind. I like to Jerry.

758
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: I want to ask one more question before I turn

759
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: it back over to Bed. This is a personal question. Um,

760
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: if I put you in the garden in a game

761
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: seven and you needed one guy, would you rather have

762
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: Jonathan Quick or took a risk? I need to be honest.

763
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: I bet Larry Bird come on question. I thought you'd

764
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: ask me like Jordan a bird and answered. I was

765
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: gonna answer before you finished question. Would there we almost

766
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: every os career and it was just never seeming like

767
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: it was a treat every night. It just so tough

768
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: and so cuch. But I don't know. I'll take the

769
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: local kid because there you go, Jerry. I want to

770
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: go back to the Red Sox thing with the statement

771
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: they issued about the racism and all that, and uh,

772
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, I've been to Boston a few times over

773
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: the years and and I've never seen that. I know,

774
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: obviously the history of Boston going way back. You guys

775
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: when you had the Morning show you had talked a

776
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: lot about and it was the Adam Jones thing a

777
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: at Fenway a few years ago, Like like, what is

778
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: what is the real stories? Like it seems like people

779
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: just repeat that is Boston racist, like the media portrays it?

780
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: Is it as bad as it worse? I mean, where,

781
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: what's the real story? I know the old history too.

782
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: It used to be racist. General manager the cold Jack Roberts,

783
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: and I want to take her ups and try it

784
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: out and take that leaping on one off the field.

785
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: They didn't get a tower? Are so to take a

786
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: shower on all the stories going over today on my podcast? Um?

787
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: You know what I denied the history they had in

788
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: the Cobs, which is some kind of berry and Johns

789
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Patrick who was there for decades, who was raping young Rob.

790
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: I brought kids went to Haven training and he would

791
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: play them in ever with them. And this went on

792
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: for years and I found a big cat and busted

793
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: and died. And I think that it still owners looked

794
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: the other way when this was going on. Sometimes will

795
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: solve the history. That doesn't make what Tory Hutter or

796
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: Adam John said true. I mean if you look at

797
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: it and says that's what happened this week. Then and

798
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: they had to do the interview in Boston had said

799
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: whatever his clients in the field, the a group of

800
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: five kids chanted the N word, and he actually did

801
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: it on the radio cha to the N word, and

802
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: a whole group of adults have said clapped and laughed

803
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: along with them. Now that is on its face, that

804
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 1: is impossible to believe. That it is not by facts.

805
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: That's impossible to believe. Nobody reporting, nobody said anything. He

806
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. This was like pen pen trap, wasn't

807
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: he didn't see anything. If the pap told nobody, he

808
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: just decided now to make this story up. And everybody

809
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: knows it's you know, it's it's bols that can happen. Okay,

810
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm not saying things like that. Hasn't have to put

811
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: the past. But this example and he game is just

812
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: made up. The world socks of course, and the planters

813
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: that they are put out a statement saying what toys

814
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: experience was, It's real. It happens, And I said, they

815
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: believe that. They just said thinks acts happened, and they

816
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: said that that's seven complaint for last year racial stars

817
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: in the stands. Now there are three three million fans

818
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: over with anyone games said that. I don't know, is

819
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: that a lot of that? A little? How many of

820
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: the Yankees have We don't know how many thes the Dodgers,

821
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: who knows, But they said it happens because they like

822
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: everyone else. Now, they put out a picture of the

823
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: new general manager at his desk in his office, and

824
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: they put a picture on the wall behind it to

825
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: say black lick does matter, and another picture of Luther

826
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: came next to it. That's how much. That's how much

827
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: these guys paying it. They have that list are haped

828
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: to call stories h to a liar. They don't believe

829
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: the story either, but they don't want to say it

830
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: because it will make them look racist. If so, that's

831
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: the situation, you know, the again the mob wins again

832
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: the mob. He isn't control of things. The mob has

833
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: to put the red sox in Kimmid David. And that's

834
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: how they operate. They don't have any black people in

835
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: the front office and all black, a black manager in

836
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: a hollow lot of black people. But god, they think

837
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: black lives matter. So give him a pun on the head.

838
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: There you go. And and Jerry one one final point.

839
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: You gotta tell the story. You went to the White

840
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: House a few years ago and uh it was with

841
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots. And what was that? Like, I trump yelled

842
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: your name. I remember I heard you guys played the audio.

843
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: He could like kind of barely hear it, but he

844
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: he like acknowledging that was pretty cool. What was what

845
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: was that? Like? They were up they were up in

846
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: the balcony or whatever that's called up in the balcony.

847
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: He gave a bunch of players in the class a tour,

848
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: chumped it after a ceremony. You take them, you know,

849
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: doing the thing. And so we're outside looking up and

850
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: they come out on the balcony. Bob crafts that's Jerry

851
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Speaker 1: Calley had done it. He's a big supporter yours. And

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Speaker 1: he said thanks Jerry, and he yells my name. I said, Spross,

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Speaker 1: was pretty cool. That was the day and Hernandez on

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Speaker 1: himself killed himself. That day. We went on the air,

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Speaker 1: a big day. Jerry. Thanks for doing this again. The

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Speaker 1: and continues sex success. Jerry, thanks for coming on. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks Jerry. Sure, Thank guys. Thanks thanks for

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