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Speaker 1: The first question we asked everybody who come on the

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Speaker 1: who was the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Man. I'm gonna keep this real with y'all. Man, I

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Speaker 2: ask got busted real early man. I came into the league. Man,

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know how some of the vets man,

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Speaker 2: down in Boston one night we was playing Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 2: So the great Larry Bird. You know, I'm from Indiana,

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Speaker 2: Larry's from Indiana. I knew about the history of Larry,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't realize how he really got down when

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Speaker 2: we got to we got When we got to Boston

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Speaker 2: that morning, I knew someone right. I saw an X man.

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Speaker 2: He was whipping around the court a little bit like

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Speaker 2: he was sore. I figured he'd all right, you know McDaniel,

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Speaker 2: the game on the early bus. I get there, they

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Speaker 2: come out on they say, hey, Sean, you starting to

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Speaker 2: night against Larry And I was like, oh, I'm all

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Speaker 2: didn't play. He had a sore kname. But my point

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Speaker 2: to you, is this Larry gave me. He gave me.

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Speaker 3: He gave me fifty in three courters. Oh my, he was.

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Speaker 3: He was hitting everything and he talked to me the

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Speaker 2: What he's saying, Well, first of all, he asked me

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Speaker 2: to jump ball. He said, you broke call my records

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Speaker 2: in high school, right, And I was like, yeah, that's me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He the one who used to do with my person too,

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Speaker 2: right Eddie. And I was like, yeah, that's me. He said,

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Speaker 2: I got the night. So every shot he was calling

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Speaker 2: at the defense of end, he would tell me. He

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Speaker 2: was like, when I get down to the other end,

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Speaker 2: I'm a pump face. You get a one on you.

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Speaker 2: Look at you. That's how cold Larry Bird was.

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Speaker 3: Yo, yo yo. We live on location. Me and d

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Speaker 3: Miles are still here in Orlando. But we got them

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Speaker 3: five D, we got them balls, were getting connected with

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Speaker 3: This one is this one is specially y'all. This's both

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Speaker 3: of us, one of our all time favorite y'all. This

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Speaker 3: is this is the rain the name coming my og.

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Speaker 3: Straight up dream Team two Hall of Fames. You have

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Speaker 3: a SuperSonics legend. Hey give it up for the rain man,

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Speaker 3: Sean Kemp. We appreciate you, o G. No doubt, we

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Speaker 3: love it. You came up on us for this.

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Speaker 2: No, Man, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: When I was coming up, you know, I watched nothing

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Speaker 1: but Michael Jordan, and to Michael Jordan, it was Sean Kemp.

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Speaker 1: And I got this This VC your tape that I've

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Speaker 1: been having since like eighth grade.

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Speaker 4: That I traded my Nintendo games for.

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Speaker 1: And I watched this motherfucker every day from eighth grade

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Speaker 1: on the twelfth grade. And this was like my hight tape.

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Speaker 1: It just had to go in every day some part

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: But I just wanted to show you this man, to

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Speaker 1: show like to this day, I still got this, motherfucker,

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Speaker 1: this is how much you mean to me. I'm d

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Speaker 1: miles because of Sean Kemp.

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Speaker 2: I got one question man. And when we was playing

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Speaker 2: against each other, if I remember, he was trying to

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Speaker 2: turmahawk dunkhold me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I watched this because I know what you was

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Speaker 4: trying to do to me, Like I studied it like

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Speaker 1: Was I knew every move, every every way you did it, man,

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Speaker 4: Was it for me. Man, and like I say, you

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Speaker 1: So this definitely is an honor and the pleasure to

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Speaker 1: have you here and doing this for us.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 3: My eighth grade basketball number was forty because of the

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Speaker 3: rain Man Shine camp. That's on my life, no life.

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Speaker 2: Straight up, what it's all about. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: fact that you can inspire other people. So the fact

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Speaker 2: played in LA and East Coast also, so you know

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Speaker 2: that that type of love, that's good luck man. Straight up.

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Speaker 2: That's the understanding of sometimes people don't have the nature

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Speaker 2: well knowing about the NBA, Yeah, love goes extremely.

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Speaker 4: We do it for That's what we're doing for for

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Speaker 2: I can appreciate the talk for real.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, Indiana Concord High School, that's where it all started.

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Speaker 4: That's how you got there.

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Speaker 1: I heard your sister was the ball of the family

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Speaker 1: though first before you kind of made a day for yourself,

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Speaker 1: Like how was that just growing up a big sister

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Speaker 3: Man, rush still rough on me, but you know, the

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Speaker 3: was a good ball player. She had some feet problems,

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Speaker 3: We sometimes as kids were the fans of the game.

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Speaker 3: We like the finger rolls, we like to dunks behind

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Speaker 2: The toughness of it. So she really taught me that

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Speaker 2: the things I tell you, man, I was raised by

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily the truth, man, it praised by women kind

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Speaker 2: of made me hard because there was no acceptance of

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Speaker 2: all about problems. So sister was extremely hard on me. Man.

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Speaker 2: She's still she's still on me every week, man, trying

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Speaker 2: And you know, my whole deal was like being better

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Speaker 2: fear anybody else. The rest of it becomes challenges to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we all got that one that you just look

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Speaker 3: I could beat them, I could beat anybody basically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And they usually comes about that age of about seventh,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of how it was with my sister.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: She was to the point of like, look, you gotta

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get more physical turn out. I turned out

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Speaker 2: I grew like four or five inches this summer and

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Speaker 3: So definitely, sister was a deplisperation for me. That's what

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Speaker 3: I was about to speak on. Tell me, how is

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Speaker 3: it that you go from a freshman to your junior

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Speaker 3: how in the world did that happened? Over two years?

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Speaker 4: Well, Left.

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Speaker 2: Color Dreams bro No, seriously, man, I grew so fast.

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Speaker 2: I actually I had some leg graces on me for

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Speaker 3: Being.

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Speaker 2: The point of that is just, man, you grow up

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Speaker 2: at you. You're not the same as everybody else. You

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Speaker 2: I'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: So who told you the ball off the board and

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Speaker 4: You just didn't do that in the league.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, man, growing up, it was like this, man,

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Speaker 3: You usual gotta wait for the guard to bring you

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Speaker 3: the ball. Yeah, my choice, my choice.

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Speaker 2: Look, man, I'm playing in these suburbs with these kids

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Speaker 2: And that's what I was really good for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what what year was it when you felt like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably the best not own in this state, but

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Speaker 4: Like what year was that?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: He was like, I'm it.

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Speaker 2: Lext grade, bro, I'm gonna tell you our story.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I played in Taka High school. They bringing any Anni

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Speaker 2: Patience to our high school. Steve Sapanovich, they bring him

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Speaker 2: We played one t ten. I beat him ten five.

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Speaker 2: I was a freshman in high school. After that, on

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Speaker 2: the last point, I even banged on him on the

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Speaker 2: last point ivendum. After that, the school was so they

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Speaker 3: So tell me this. I kind of share the same

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Speaker 3: type of situation with you. De Miles is different than

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Speaker 3: us in this respect, like you didn't win mister basketball,

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Speaker 3: and it was literally, it was literally because you didn't

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Speaker 3: choose the state school. So when I came out, when

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Speaker 3: I came out, the same thing happened. I actually finished

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Speaker 3: third runner up. Corey mcghetty finished second, and Frank Williams

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Speaker 3: finished first because he ended up going to Illin University

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Speaker 3: of Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Which is the state school.

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Speaker 3: University of Illinois never even made it into my top ten.

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Speaker 3: So I finished last. Now Corey finished second because Duke

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Speaker 3: in Illinois was his final two schools. So they played

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Speaker 3: the favorite card, which it seems the same thing that you.

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Speaker 1: That was all allegedly, that was all allegedly though that

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Speaker 2: I knew, I knew I wasn't gonna win mister basketball man.

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Speaker 2: The day that I picked University of Kentucky over Indiana University,

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Speaker 2: which was Bobby Knight, Bobby Knight personally called me himself

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Speaker 1: Could it could have been? Could have been anybody else?

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Speaker 1: Glad on your bet on yourself. Let me ask you

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Speaker 2: I was at Trinity going to school. I didn't play

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Speaker 3: The Lakers was hiding me out in LA for months.

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Speaker 3: bro and then I started going out visiting teams. Seattle

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Speaker 2: I was indulged to go to Seattle to play for them,

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Speaker 1: What was the feeling to be just drafted to the NBA,

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Speaker 4: Like, how was that for you?

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Speaker 3: Did you go to the actual draft and were you

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Speaker 2: I didn't go to the draft because I already knew

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Speaker 2: it was only two teams that was gonna draft in

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Speaker 3: You had a very unique draft spearance. He was getting

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Speaker 4: You pull though, Yeah you could have been.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the of the draft. And yeah, Chicago

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Speaker 2: they had three picks ahead of me. They cook DJ Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: For Luke Longley, Bill cart Right. They didn't draft Lute

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Speaker 2: Stacy King, King Quick Stacy King, DJ Armstrong ahead of

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Speaker 3: Chicago and you just told me that we could have

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was actually twice man. You know, Chicago actually

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Speaker 2: tried to trade. They traded for me in ninety four. Bro,

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Speaker 2: they traded me for staty. A lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: And then go through Seattle. Fans wasn't having it, man,

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Speaker 2: They was raising hill out here. So yeah, man, wasn't

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Speaker 1: So now you're in Seattle and this is like on

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Speaker 2: There's definitely it's a lot of rain out this way.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't off basketball. Really. When they brought me in being

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Speaker 2: of taught me how to market myself, you know, brand myself,

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Speaker 2: years ago to Chris today, We're gonna win this way

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Speaker 3: Right exactly. And so tell me this. You talk about

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Speaker 3: meeting the great people in Seattle and how they helped

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Speaker 3: the og, Gary Payton. Tell me everybody know the character

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Speaker 2: My first impression of Gary Man that I know he

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Speaker 2: reading stuff and seeing him on ESPN. They asked me

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Speaker 2: A Gary draft fifty old in college. Uh, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was a fan of his assists.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think we were going to have a chance

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Speaker 2: just like, hey, we got we We're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: get him at number two. And they promised me they

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Speaker 4: Brought him home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Not just because he runs his mouth, but man,

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Speaker 2: a man behind his words. Bro, I mean that that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he kept me out in a lot of ways more

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Speaker 2: calling to check on he just called me. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: that's a man I call him. I call him.

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Speaker 3: I call him the og up man, Like you say, here,

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Speaker 3: real one one of the rest ones. And if he

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Speaker 3: his road is no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: When y'all got on the court, it was a different

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Speaker 4: But with him it was a connection too.

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Speaker 2: Man. I used to tell you, I used to be that. Look, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't give it, damn where you threw it, Just

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Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know he's the rafters. Hey,

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Speaker 3: look that's how it looked like. Whatever, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: get it. But it was fun, man, truly. I think

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Speaker 3: we had the great chemistry. But also, man, we used

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Speaker 3: we were the type of catch that. Man, if we

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Speaker 2: That's all which man, you know, when should we go?

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Speaker 2: Just Michael Jordan, I'm calling Gary on his phone all

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Speaker 2: day long. Man, I'm saying all kind of dumb ship

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Speaker 2: three you know, don't you know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah back, yeah, yeah, you gotta go. I need you tomorrow,

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Speaker 4: Like what's he doing? Day?

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Speaker 3: And and that's when this game rides up. And then

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Speaker 2: Be like, look, don't be doing no dumb ship. I

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Speaker 2: don't get a found trouble to night on me. Don't

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Speaker 2: I appreciate his love and I appreciate playing with him.

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Speaker 2: He was great to play with, good dude, off the course,

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Speaker 3: I can remember the first time I can remember watching

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Speaker 3: Like I'm like, man, I remember we went to Seattle

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to see it.

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Speaker 1: We just got to see the fish small because this

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Speaker 2: It's where they was in.

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Speaker 3: It was like that was shot shorty, and I'll never

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Speaker 1: Man's how was it when George Call came to the

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Speaker 1: y'all in the dirty.

439
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 4: West whereas it's it still was everywhere.

440
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 1: So like, how was that to get George called and

441
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: really be a contender every year?

442
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: Let me tell you My first call from George Call

443
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: came like this. I think George was coaching over in

444
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: Spain somewhere. He got the job. He called the fire

445
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: casey jove, and I got a phone call and he

446
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: said that, uh he said hello, and I said hello.

447
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: He said, shyness, is George call your new coach to

448
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: see how the SuperSonics. I just want you to know

449
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: you're not to start line up no more. Hung up.

450
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll give a damn man. But that's

451
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: what type of guy George was when he was trying

452
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: to do. I guess he heard he was trying to.

453
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: Light a fire inside me, man, right, I mean, I

454
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: guess he was trying to see where you go.

455
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: So taking me off the line, I've it lasted one

456
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: game thirty three seconds. As soon as the clocks started

457
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: clip up one time down court, he was like, oh, yeah,

458
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: get the game. So it didn't last no time. But

459
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: he knew how to He knew how to get because

460
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: he knew the most important thing was being on the court.

461
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah you know so, and if you take you off

462
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: the court, you can't shine. So George knew that about me, man,

463
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: So he knew what you buy as a pool.

464
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: Tell me about how your experience was in the dunk contest.

465
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: You was definitely short changing and the first one absolutely

466
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: like that was like that was that was one of

467
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: the craziest ones all time for me. But like, just

468
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 3: tell me your experience being being one of the like,

469
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: in my opinion, one of the illis illis dunkers of

470
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: all time, like especially endgame, but I feel like you

471
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 3: put on an absolute show at the All Star weekends too.

472
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: How was that for you? I think it was first

473
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: of all, man to let you all know was it

474
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: was an opportunity for me to uh create my brand

475
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 2: first of all. So a lot of times young guys

476
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: look at those opportunities of going to the All circame

477
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: being in the Dunk Contest. It's not so fun or

478
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: waste the time, but it's really it's really a good

479
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: thing to go experience because you can build off of it,

480
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: you know. My my experience at the Dunk Contest was

481
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: for me to get everybody's attention inside the building. Nobody

482
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: knew who I was before the All Star. After the

483
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 2: All Star, everybody knew who I was. And I was

484
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, how can I get everybody's attention. And

485
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: you can go up and you can do all these

486
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: sophisticated dunks if you want, But my main thing was

487
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: to try to rip the gold off the basket. That

488
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: was That was my only thing. Made it made. Yeah,

489
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: I was like, you just dunk that ship extra hard and.

490
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: Let the people know who you are. You did that,

491
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: that what was bringing the thunder.

492
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: So the rest of it is just about the gimmick, say,

493
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: like you know with Dee Brown, he did the you

494
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: know he couldn't see you know, d can see we do.

495
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: He stole it, that's.

496
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: What he stold it.

497
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: And he gliked and I'm like, come on, man, this

498
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: dude he looked at all underneath his arms.

499
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: But they went for it. That's that's you let the

500
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: dun He pumped up the shoes, he had the crap.

501
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: You hit the crowd throwing and everything, you know, said Sabas.

502
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: I was in the dunk contest with him. He put

503
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: the blindfold on. Then somebody throwing the ball. He turned

504
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: around the comfor the ball with the fold on. That's

505
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: the bottle, see for the blindfold. They thought.

506
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: One of the duck's always locked, like from your dunk

507
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: contests when you like went from the free throw line

508
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: and you just like your.

509
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 4: Leg it was like your foot was on your back.

510
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 4: Name like always remember that. That was one of the

511
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 4: Cody ducks ever to me.

512
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: I actually the dunk he talked about Darres. Actually that's

513
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: her for my business logo.

514
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 4: They sposed to be that was that's it?

515
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: Or you swinging off around the rim on the oop

516
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: or something like that.

517
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: Definitely something like that.

518
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: But like you know, when you get to the league

519
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: and you know you went there with it to get

520
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: a nickname, it's like an honor and a bash for

521
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: people to even call you something else outside of your

522
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: real name.

523
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: To be called.

524
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: Rainman and see people like that's rain Man, Like how

525
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: is that man?

526
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: That's awesome. And that's what I was telling you before

527
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: about the brand, about building it. My first deal was

528
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: Raymond Water created man. Ray Man Water didn't even they

529
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: weren't even selling bottles of water in a story at

530
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: the time. I have my whole water, the Raymond Water there.

531
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: So to be able to create that that image man

532
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: and still rolling with it. Uh, still out here and

533
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: we're still out here making business and doing things. I mean,

534
00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: that's what it's about. I think that's how harder that

535
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: we have to become as athletes. When we talked to

536
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: these younger guys, we have to tell them basketball is

537
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: one side of things, but you have to you have

538
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: to worry about branding yourself also, and you have to

539
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: worry about your game. So, I mean, it's a full

540
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: time job.

541
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: Bro.

542
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: Who this has to be successful these days? I don't

543
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: think a lot of people understand it's not just about

544
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: making the NBA check, but that rain Man brand was

545
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: uh was was was a label because I wanted to

546
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: brand myself forever.

547
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: You remember the first time people was calling you rain Man,

548
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: like after the game or something, and they first call you.

549
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: When they first started calling you rain you start hearing it.

550
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: I felt great because they was calling me manchild before then,

551
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: and I didn't I wouldn't. I wasn't crazy about man child.

552
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: So I was like, let me get it there, let's

553
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 2: just create something. They wanted to call me rain dear.

554
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: And then it was like three or four and then

555
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: I was like, then they was like, what about rain Man?

556
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: And then it was like I was like rain man man,

557
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: should I know the rain out here all the time

558
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: with him? I want to be the man man. I

559
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: want to be the man in the rain. He was like, no, man,

560
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: rain like like thunder like hey I And I was like, well, ship, Well,

561
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: I don't know, let me think about it. And then

562
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: I went to that night. Bro I woke up back

563
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: two three in the morning. I called him up. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah,

564
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: let's rain with that rain. That ship. That's it. That's the.

565
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: That's one of the dopest ones ever Man, the Glove

566
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: and the rain Man like Baby Paddy.

567
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: It's like like baby Pad, it just goes, It just goes.

568
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I tell you, Like in Seattle, like y'all fighting, and

569
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: like like I said, you'll go through wars. Y'all got

570
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: damn Verd, you got the Lakers, you got all these

571
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: people through the West that you got to get to

572
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: and you finally break the ice get to the championship.

573
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I will that the whole season for you. Can you

574
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: explain that whole season?

575
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And I'll tell you about it, man, Because

576
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: at that time, the whole NBA was a little bit

577
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: of a lot bro because you remember Jordan was going

578
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: in and out the league at that time, so he

579
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 2: had retired and nobody was quite sure when we actually

580
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: thought that our opportunity to play against him was gonna

581
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: be gone because he had hired it from baseball. But

582
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: I had a feeling. I had a feeling that he

583
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: was gonna come back and play, and I kept telling

584
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: you cats on my team, he's gonna come back and play.

585
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: So when they announced that he was gonna come back

586
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: and play, man, we just that was it. That was

587
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: it that gave us the motivation and we took that

588
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: summer pretty serious. Gary and myself, we started taking the

589
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: team out the Las Vegas, playing ball out in Las

590
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: Vegas half the summer, working on some different things, just

591
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 2: communicating with the guys a lot better. You know, we

592
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: trusted Georgia in that way. He was always pushing for

593
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: us to relate to the guys on our team a

594
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: little bit better at first. When you know, me and

595
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: Gary was hard on the guys at first. You know,

596
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: guys don't play at your caliber. Sometimes you not that

597
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: you look down at them, but sometimes you can talk

598
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: down to them because you you're really trying to raise

599
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: their level, play up. But sometimes you're doing more harm

600
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: than you are. Good. Yeah, So we kind of education,

601
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: of of learning how to relate with the teammates and

602
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: we did that. Yeah, and it worked that fine. We

603
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: got a chance to practice that whole summer, get ready

604
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: for for for the whole NBA and plus Jordan's and

605
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: then you know, to make it there. It's so hard.

606
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: To make it to the championship is the hardest thing

607
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: in the world, you know, and should you get there,

608
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: then they want to tear the team. So what you think,

609
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: I think We had a great chance to win the championship,

610
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: but they broke the team up too early. We just

611
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: needed another go around, but it was their decision.

612
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: To tour the team.

613
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: We love the shoe game and one of the dopest

614
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: shoes and everybody remember the shoes with the Reebok comics.

615
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: He's with Reebok gave video sh you like, like, how

616
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: did you feel?

617
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: And how was that for you to have your own shoeing.

618
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's that's major man. Matter of fact, you

619
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: know that's they come from that slam dunk contest and

620
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: you know, uh, I knew I wanted to be with Nike.

621
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan has some of his contract. You could make

622
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: more money than him. Chaus Barkley had some of his contract.

623
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: You could make more money than him. They said, well,

624
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: you gotta wait your turn. So after the drunk contest,

625
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: I said, well when I'm switching shoes. So I end

626
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: up signing with a Redbuke. Thank god, many they've been looking

627
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: out for me. I'm still making shoes, but you know

628
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: we're making still making this COmON cozy shoes. Still. I

629
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: think I got three shoes coming out this month. Low

630
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: times so man, so it's been a true blessing be

631
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: with them twenty twenty five years, still making shoes, the

632
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: same shoe company. But what they did for me, Darius

633
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: is uh, they gave me that badge. Man, they put

634
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: that badge on my heart. Like as a ballplayer, that's

635
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: what you want. You want somebody to believe. Yeah, you

636
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: know it's not necessarily about that money, about that chair,

637
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: but the belief in you. When a sponsor put that

638
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: belief in you and they give you that shoe money,

639
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: that shoe money, it takes you personally to another level

640
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: inside yourself. You say, shop for all these years, this

641
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: ship is real. Man, I had to put this work

642
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: in and this is what Yeah, this should make me

643
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: feel like a man.

644
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this right, speaking straight to that

645
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: knowing how you get that shoe money? I like to

646
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: always ask the question, like being frank right, you know

647
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: how it is we a lot of us come from

648
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: where we ain't really had a lot in So when

649
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: you got that bag and you got that money, like,

650
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: what did you do that may did you wanted to do?

651
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: Like?

652
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: Man, all right, I finally got this money because I know,

653
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: you know I might have I got to change somebody

654
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: might have got a call.

655
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: What you did?

656
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: Did you look back on like here may we wasn't

657
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: the smartest thing real like, look, that made me feel

658
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: unbelievable at whatever age I was. And I'm glad, you

659
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying that I got to do that

660
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: at that time.

661
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: Man, I got that first shoe money. I went down

662
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: there to the Cadillac dealership and bought me a fleetwood.

663
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: I called Gary on the phone, and Tony my I

664
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: was going down to the Batman fleet with Gary came

665
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: down there and brought him.

666
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: On d Wade Yes on one wood.

667
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: He bought to the field Man. We walked out of

668
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: the man. We were still good man. It was just

669
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: my wasting a little money having fun. Man a boss

670
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: hall status like epic day came. Never recreate that. That

671
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: was one of the best days ever though. Both of

672
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: the two young boys walked in and walked out. That's

673
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: how we do.

674
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: I asked you this, like, well you got traded from

675
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: see where you left Seattle. Did you want to leave

676
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: Seattle or did you want to just go on and

677
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: start a new journey and just see what is what

678
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: was else out there for you?

679
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna break this down. I said, Man, I'm

680
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: gonna tell you what. Let's a hell of a question.

681
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you asked me that. At that time,

682
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: Darius Man, it was a lot of things going on,

683
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: and I break this down to you fast. In the NBA,

684
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: the contract wasn't that great. Yeah, I mean, they weren't

685
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: that great. In my mind, I wanted to break a

686
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: hundred million. Nobody had a hundred million dollar contract yet

687
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: I was. It wasn't about It wasn't about Sean Kim

688
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: making a hundred million. But what it was about was

689
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: breaking the barrier because I thought that we deserved more. Look,

690
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: it's hard, yeah, So I think Larry Johnson signed for

691
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: eighty four eighty three million, eighty two million or something

692
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: like that. The Gary Payton signed for eighty six million,

693
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: something like that. The money I was asking, I knew

694
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: Seattle wasn't gonna be able to pay me. I did

695
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: that off time. I made sure that all these guys

696
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: on my team in Seattle got a new contracts cool.

697
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: I didn't leave the team until everybody got a new contract.

698
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: In my heart, I kind of knew that I was

699
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: gonna have to leave because they weren't gonna pay me

700
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: a hundred million dollars. Yeah, they won't give you what

701
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: you want. Yeah, the only way that she's gonna get

702
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: a hundred million man. And I and I had six

703
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: years left on my contract. You gotta remember. Yeah, So

704
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: I was the first athlete ever who got a hundred

705
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: million dollars who still had six or seven years left

706
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: on this contract. Usually you get that as a free agent. Right.

707
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: You got up in the middle of it and got

708
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: up out of there to go.

709
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Because of that shoe money. I told them they could go.

710
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: I wait, I gotta look. I got a little time

711
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: on my hand.

712
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: I sit back and lay I got time today.

713
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: Gave you a little levene right there. That's what it's about.

714
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: It come down the leverage, man. And I think, uh, you.

715
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: Know that year they had the All Star Game in Cleveland.

716
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful arena, man, brand new. You know. You

717
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: know we had this old raggy arena. We've been playing

718
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: that for years, so, uh you know, you know it

719
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: was a great All Star game. After the All Star Game,

720
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: I kind of left the cass, know, man, I was

721
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: interested in playing that in the new arena.

722
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: Man.

723
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: So while playing something old, when you can play something

724
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: new real, get the finances ready.

725
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: And I lived in Cleveland and and like we got

726
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: our ass kicked while I was in Cleveland. But I

727
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: loved the city and it reminded me of the Crib.

728
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: I just loved how it was.

729
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: And Cleveland got a lot of rich people down there,

730
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: like real good city.

731
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: Cleveland is a great city, and they got great facilities.

732
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: Yeah great, Yeah, I.

733
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: Just couldn't win no games.

734
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 4: You know.

735
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: Saw we can win no games back then.

736
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me about that first year with them though,

737
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 3: Like you was a that was an all star year

738
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 3: for you play all a two games, average, a dub

739
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: the double double, like highest points in your career. Like

740
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: I feel like you was on one out there. Like

741
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: you said, y'all just weren't really strong enough as a team. Yeah,

742
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's the that's the chances that you play. Man.

743
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes as an athlete, when you say to yourself, you

744
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: can't you can only say that this to yourself. Just

745
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: treat yourself when you get in this position, say hey,

746
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: you go after the wins or do you go after

747
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: the money? Well, after you then played seven or eight years,

748
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: you got to take care of yourself. You already know

749
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: you used to take care of you. You know that

750
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: I made that decision to go to Cleveland. It was

751
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: a financial move. Now, going to Cleveland, we wasn't gonna

752
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: win much games, so I have to accept that. So

753
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: I think my first year in Cleveland, and I played

754
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: with ten rookies, you know, I played with ten rookies

755
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: and we made it to the second round of the playoffs.

756
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: So that's not you bet.

757
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you was going and you was going through

758
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: one that year. I remember that he was going through

759
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: one on My problem came to next year when the

760
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: league went on straight. That's when the problem came.

761
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: But you know, other than that, uh, you know, up

762
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: until then, it was it was, it was, it was priceless.

763
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: Well we got to the league.

764
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: You use with Portland, you love Cleveland, use with Portland.

765
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Y'all had so much star power, Like Portland squad was

766
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: like some of your favorite players boy ever from top bottom.

767
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 4: Man.

768
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just at a time where you know,

769
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: it was that was shocking Kobe's time, I believe, man, Yeah,

770
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: going hard, it was, it was going hard to paint

771
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: at that time. Kobe, Kobe has something to prove, Shack

772
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: has something to prove. That was a tough task to

773
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: take on for us, uh you know, being in Portland.

774
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: But we have some good battles against him. We even

775
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: had a couple of chances to beat him for a

776
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: couple of years. But Kobe was He was definitely a

777
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: beast of the playoffs.

778
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 4: Young Jermaine O'Neill was important right when he was.

779
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: Down here, man Jermaine, and it was something else man.

780
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: He actually he was my He was my teammate for

781
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: very long because they actually traded for dal Davidson, sending

782
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: him on to Indiana. So yes, I didn't get a

783
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: chance to play with Jermaine. I mean, Jermaine got He

784
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: one of the best high school to pro talents ever

785
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, especially as a complimentary four and five.

786
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: You don't know you can play him at He's a one.

787
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: He can shoot the jumper or to take you to

788
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: the whole.

789
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: And it was one more It was one more guy

790
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: that I wanted you to speak on that. I know

791
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: you you had him too as a young guy, my

792
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: guy z bo Now.

793
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: I used to take him to the gym off season

794
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: during the season, the whole shebang that first year and

795
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: workout with him. We knew he could do it. Man,

796
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: it was just the fact of him getting an opportunity. Unfortunately,

797
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: he had six or seven big men in front of

798
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 2: him that year. Yeah, he did, you know he did

799
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: see the lowest, he the lowest, vertical best best.

800
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: You already know. I don't even know how he get

801
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: all the rebounds.

802
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: He can't jump up the ground, sweet turn around jump shock.

803
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 4: You oh so much touch on the end.

804
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: So we had we had the O G D C

805
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: Dad coming on here, y'all, both teammates members of Dream

806
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: Team Two. He had some very interesting things to say

807
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: when it came down with Dream Team to beat Dream

808
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: Team One. Now, I'm i'm, i'm, i'm, I'm I'm gonna

809
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 3: stay out of it. Everybody normal, big m J fan

810
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: and all that. I would just love to hear your opinion,

811
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: because I do.

812
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: Said, y'all fuck them up.

813
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: He said, no questions about it.

814
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 4: He said, y'all fuck them up?

815
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: What is your tail? Question on the Dream Team Too

816
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: versus Dream Team One?

817
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: First of all, man, they Dream Team One had m J.

818
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: With Dream Team Too, we had shock and answer, ain't

819
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: there's no way gonna get casts and Aery Johnson Dominique

820
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: when Dominie could even get off the play. So you know,

821
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: we had it, man like seriously, like people people forget man.

822
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: That Dream Team too, was a tough team with Reggie Miller,

823
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: Mark Price squad that's on the outside.

824
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: Joe Dubar kJ kJ was on that squad.

825
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: He and I've had this conversation with some of the

826
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: guys off the Dream Team. One I got told Charles

827
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: Man they were just too old. Man were young, We

828
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: were young bikes at the time. They didn't want to

829
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: they didn't want that. Hey, look that's the week two

830
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: for two. Man.

831
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: Look d C said it emphatically, sound like you said

832
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 3: it emphatically.

833
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: Okay, let me want that smoke man with too much

834
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: I mean quote Derreck Coleman shooting the ball like he

835
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: was and dribbling. We put him in point forward and

836
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: everybody's just man, we had we had to fire. Please

837
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: believe me. Yeah.

838
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great, great practices.

839
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good playing with Shaq, definitely, good playing

840
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: with Reggie Miller. Yeah, that Dream Team was something special.

841
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: Bro, Hey, tell me this, what was your We all

842
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: got to sit back during the quarantine and watch the

843
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: last dance with m J. Tell me what was your

844
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: What was your take from man when you got to

845
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: see especially seeing the part when it got to y'all

846
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: series and all that and seeing how y'all went at it.

847
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I was happy for Michael. I think

848
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: people needed to see that side of him, you know,

849
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: for for for so long I know him and have

850
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: met him, we know that side. Other people needed to

851
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: see that side of him. So I'm actually glad that

852
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: he made that uh you know, the way he was

853
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: talking about Gary them not being Michael. You know, we

854
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: had him rattle, man, We had him rattle for a

855
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: little while, but he definitely you know, you can only

856
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: you can only can him for so long. He's just

857
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: always been the type of brother man that's always go

858
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: where you can't really say much bad about it because

859
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: he's won in pretty much everything that he's done. But

860
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: it was a pleasure to play against him. You know,

861
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: I think a lot of him and uh, yeah, you know,

862
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: we had him rattled in a series though, say what

863
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: he wants?

864
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to know your opinion on a guy

865
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: that reminds me of a combination of like you and

866
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: Larry Johnson. And when you look at Zion Williamson, what

867
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: what do you like because I know if you like

868
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: everybody else, we saw him coming up just some high

869
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: school saying saying like crazy highlights of him, and then

870
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: you see him go to Duke. Can you see him now?

871
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: Like?

872
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: What do you look at him and you think he

873
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: needs to do to really make it click for him

874
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: as far as his body and everything he brings to

875
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: the table. What's your take on Zion Williams Because I

876
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: think I mean, obviously he has you know, the crazy

877
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: ceiling and the crazy future. But what do you think

878
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: he needs to do to really like neck with his

879
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: body and make everything hit on all cylinders?

880
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: Man? I mean, just take care of it. I mean,

881
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: first of well, just take care of his body. If

882
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: the young fellow take care of his body, that everything

883
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: else will take care of himself. But the other thing

884
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: for him, man is is just go have fun. At

885
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: his age, he should be playing on the court with

886
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: a smile on his face. Man, smile on his face

887
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: because he's having so much fun. If he gets his

888
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: body right, he's going to have fun on the court.

889
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 2: I remember seeing out play. I remember seeing him at Duke,

890
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: and he was he was a little he weighed a

891
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: little bit less of a little better shape because he

892
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: didn't have any knee problems or anything. But I think

893
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: he had more of a smile on his face. You

894
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: can really tell the people who are enjoying the games,

895
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: because when you enjoy the game of basketball, generally you

896
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: smile when you see guys frowning and shop that because

897
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: they're unhappy the way they're playing and they're unhappy with

898
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: the way things are going. So I think generally, man,

899
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: if he just take care of his body, come with

900
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: a better attitude, a refreshed attitude, and just play, play

901
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: for a purpose and and just smile. Man, smile on

902
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: the court may making a ton of money, you having

903
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: fun doing what he want to do. There's no reason

904
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: not to be smiling.

905
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: When you started to see him, did you like think like, well,

906
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 3: see flashes of yourself and things like It's like you say,

907
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 3: he was trying to pull the rim up like that

908
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: young boy. He brings the thunder, he assaults the rims.

909
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: He reminds me of like a slash between you and

910
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: Larry Johnson. When he went at that rim. It is

911
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: look out, yeah, And I agree with you. I think

912
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: the rufus as high as he can go. Bro but

913
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: all you got to do is just worry about the basics.

914
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: Man.

915
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: I've been liking this game for some time now. Actually

916
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: seen him play years ago in the AAU circuit. He

917
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: was doing the same thing, just dominating kids. But his

918
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: future is just gonna be fine. A lot of times. Man,

919
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: when you come in, you got so many people talking

920
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: to you, it sometimes takes you a year or so

921
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: to get you everything right, to measure out all the

922
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: court stuff outside of basketball. So I'm thinking this year

923
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: he's gonna come in with a better, better, added to

924
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: a refresh attitude man, and just dominate because he can play.

925
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: He can just see in the games that he played

926
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: a little bit this year. I mean, if he take

927
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: off ten pounds, man, he jumped that much higher, he

928
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 2: runs that much. So he goes to being the same

929
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: player that he was to do. He's dominating the league

930
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: because they can't stop. Yeah.

931
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: Do you feel like your era could have played in

932
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: the bubble?

933
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: I think if they would have, some of the guys

934
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: would have struggled. A lot of these guys that played

935
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: in my era often think that they can play with

936
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: these guys today, but they don't realize how fast and

937
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: how athletic these young men are, and how good that

938
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: they can shoot the basketball. I believe that I would

939
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: have no problem playing in today's era, But everybody couldn't

940
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: shoot the basketball back then, and everybody didn't have that much.

941
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm one of the guys who who

942
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: actually can enjoy some of these young guys playing basketball

943
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: these days. I don't necessarily look at the game and

944
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: say that the guys in the nineties were better. I

945
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: think the guys in it. I think the game was

946
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: refiently back in the yeah, but I don't necessarily think

947
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: the guys were necessarily better players.

948
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

949
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, I think that's all about preference about

950
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: what era you like. But if anybody is being honest,

951
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: these players, the players that I play now, their evolution

952
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: is way faster and way farther than we ever thought.

953
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's it's part. It is because of us.

954
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: They got to see us and before us and everything

955
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: we saw and then remix and freaked that out the

956
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: way we were just remixing the stuff before us. And

957
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: you know, so after they got that, they got a

958
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: full library. We just got you know what I'm saying,

959
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: And the people after them gonna evolve more and be

960
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: able to do more too. So I'm like you, I

961
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 3: just appreciate it. And I'm always a fan of the NBA.

962
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: I'm not one of the you know, retired guys like

963
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: I don't like. I mean, of course, I think it's

964
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: a little soft. I mean, obviously it's not as tough

965
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: or as rugged as it was when we played, or

966
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: nowhere near when you guys played. But I mean I'm

967
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: still not one of them people that's critical of it.

968
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of all the guys, and I

969
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: think the overall, like the talent league league wide, player

970
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: for player, it's out of this world. At this point,

971
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 3: you got so many dudes that could do so many

972
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: different things that you know what I'm saying, it bring

973
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: so much to the table. Like how he held up

974
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: that that that Sean Kemp take. They can't do that

975
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: in the NBA. No more, right now, just make one tape.

976
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: It's too many people.

977
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: You gotta make a whole everything about everything. It's like

978
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: it's too hard just do one tape like that. But

979
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: like back then, you guys as you as a superstar,

980
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,479
Speaker 3: I wasn't another Sean Kemp running around the league.

981
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like now, it's.

982
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: Like five us of I mean, obviously you got your unicorns,

983
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 3: but it's it's a lot of talent.

984
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: I agree with you, bro, you know, I look at

985
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: these guys that I look at just the talent. I

986
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: see what they're doing. You know, you got guys that

987
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: are chepal feet out here, helling the ball, looking passes

988
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: that point guards can't make. So you get a little

989
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: bit of everything in today's game. Of course, you like

990
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: you said, the toughness, the toughness isn't there, but definitely

991
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: the IQ of the basketball game is still there in

992
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: the will to play, you know. And I'm impressed with

993
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: Lebron and his me crazy. I watched him in this

994
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: first game. Do some do some do a couple of dunks?

995
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: He did these dirks at the age of thirty five.

996
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, man, I wasn't dunking like that at thirty five.

997
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he's putting it down for real.

998
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: I mean you have to give that a lot of respect,

999
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: regardless of who you are. So, you know, people say,

1000
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: is Lebron better than Michael Jordal And I don't know,

1001
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: but I tell you what, man, He's really still putting

1002
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: it down at a high level right now.

1003
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: I'm one of the people. I'm one of the people

1004
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: that when I played in the league obviously get up

1005
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: until a certain point when they left. I absolutely love

1006
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 3: Seattle is a city. I love going at a play

1007
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: against the superstion is Like you obviously are are you know,

1008
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: one of the biggest faces of the Seattle fanchise, Like,

1009
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: how do you feel about them not being there anymore,

1010
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: not having a super science and what do you think

1011
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: the chances are of them bringing the team back to Seattle?

1012
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: Because I really believe that Seattle was a great NBA city.

1013
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: I felt like the fans were great out there. The

1014
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: team was a good team, always competitive, and I don't

1015
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: see why they wouldn't be able to have a team

1016
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: in that city. And I know that the fans are

1017
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: you know, the fan base bearing wanted what did your

1018
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: take on that?

1019
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm glad you asked me. I think it's

1020
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: gonna come back. The team will be back. I just

1021
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: you know what the one thing is like a country song, bro,

1022
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: It's easy to get rid of it, but it's hard

1023
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: to get it back. You know what I'm saying? Something

1024
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: when you get when you have a team, you got

1025
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: to hold on to that team like it's something that

1026
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: you really want. Yeah, because if you let it go,

1027
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: you're not sure what they're gonna give it back. Of

1028
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: course they're gonna give it back, but you don't know

1029
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: when they're gonna give it back. But the best thing

1030
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: about that situation is that this year they're opening up

1031
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: the first year for for hockey. Hockey's gonna be here

1032
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: in Seattle. They built a brand new arena for hockey,

1033
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: and I believe that arena could be used for the

1034
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: NBA also, So I'm hoping here in the next two

1035
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: to three years something can get worked out for the

1036
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: NBA as two teams, because it doesn't seem like they're

1037
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: gonna sell I know they've been making offers on certain

1038
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: teams here and it hasn't worked out, so they'll have

1039
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 2: to expand two teams in order for us to give one.

1040
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: So hopefully that can happen in the future, because this

1041
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 2: is a great market, bro, good market, and people missing

1042
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: basketball out here. You know, I'm still absolutely I'm still

1043
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: out here going business years later, and it's a good

1044
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: market to be in. Word, man, it's love.

1045
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: We know you don't even jump out that too much,

1046
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: so we know you came out with us pull up.

1047
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: That's that's major love. I appreciate you all, y'all working hard.

1048
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: Gary Ahead told me I started doing the show Man,

1049
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: so I was I had been looking off, so I'm

1050
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: gonna let him know that I did to show Man.

1051
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all having one. Yeah, man, we appreciate.

1052
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,440
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1053
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