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That's what we do around here. 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: We established the rules yesterday. I'm glad we did it. 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: It was nice meeting all of you talk about anything. 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: Eight seven seven ninety nine on Foxfield Yates will join 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: us at about twenty minutes to get us ready for 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, which is coming up in a few weeks. 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Ad Dan Burke is going to join us at four o'clock. 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: We'll get to Tommy Lloyd here in just a second. 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Tailor having a bad day, maybe a good day, Yankees winning, 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: but Tommy Lloyd apparently staying at Arizona. Before we get 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: to Tommy Lloyd, Taylor, please put it on the pole. 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: If you are a cop who loves golf, would you 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: have let Tiger. 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: Walked, just walk I he edit a d there, you're right. 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: Also put this on the pole, Taylor in Tiger's world 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: when he says, I'm on the phone with the president, 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: does that mean you can't arrest me? Let's get to 28 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: Tommy Lloyd. Taylor having a tough day. Tommy Lloyd re 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: signs with Arizona. It's a five year deal. How are 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: you feeling today, Taylor? 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm disappointed. I'm hurt, a bit blindsided. I think 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 4: North Carolina was by this because I don't think they 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 4: thought this was going to conclude until Arizona got eliminated 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: from the tournament or Arizona won the tight But also 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 4: talking to people at Carolina, they did feel like this 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: was always going to be an uphill battle where it 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 4: wasn't gonna come down to a finance thing, because there 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 4: really isn't too much precedent for a coach making the 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 4: Final four with a power school and then leaving said 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: power school for another school and not just taking an 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: NBA job. So yeah, I'm a little hurt. I guess 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 4: it's just Billy Donovan, come on down now, you hear. 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: That, dude? 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 5: Yes, called people at North Carolina Wow, things got a reporter. 45 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, things don't happen in Chapel Hill without me knowing. 46 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: It's the only thing he cares about. 47 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, he wouldn't call any other city for any other 48 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: story other than Chapel Hill for who's going to be 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: the next head coach at the University of North Carolina. 50 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, he normally doesn't check in with me on a whole. 51 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: Lot before the show. 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 5: But right before the show started today you could see 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 5: where his head was because Taylor goes is he And 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, he goes is Billy Donovan known as 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 5: a good offensive coach, And I was like. 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: Oh, there he goes. 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Oh, he's starting to poke around about Billy. That was 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: the floor, right, Tommy Lloyd was the ceiling. 59 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 4: Tommy Lloyd was by far North Carolina's top choice. If 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: Purdue beats Arizona in the Elite eight, I think Tommy 61 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: Lloyd is in Chapel Hill today. But he won to 62 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: such an extent that he got all the leverage that 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 4: he needed at Arizona. Where when we were talking about 64 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: this early in the week, where he wouldn't deny anything 65 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 4: in his press conferences, wasn't gonna come down to money 66 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: it was just going to come down to could he 67 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: get the power that he wanted at Arizona. And you're 68 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: looking at some of the reports from Matt Norlander at 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: CBS Sports. He'll no longer have to report to his 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: athletic director and will instead report to the president of 71 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: the school. The relationship with the AD had gotten that 72 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: bad and now you kind of just cut out the 73 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 4: middleman there. Yes, Wow, she's actually a woman. So she 74 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: was the middle woman. 75 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 5: So he's up for another job and doesn't get along 76 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 5: with his current AD and his big thing to stay 77 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 5: put is get me away from that woman. 78 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and good saved by Taylor kicksaving a butte. 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: Also adding to the relationship. So there was reports that 80 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 4: she would promise more things to Tommy Lloyd than Tommy 81 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: Lloyd would actually get and that's what kind of caused 82 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 4: the friction because Arizona was in kind of like cost 83 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 4: saving mode and Tommy Lloyd was like, we need a 84 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 4: spend to compete with other schools, and that's where kind 85 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 4: of their problems originated. The other problem I was told 86 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 4: she just put her son on the team without telling anybody, Well, 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 4: what's wrong with that? 88 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 6: T minutes as long as he's on the team, right. 89 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: Just a roster spot. I mean, come on, I. 90 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 5: Mean, isn't Bryce James on the team? I mean, that's 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 5: what happens. Yes, sons can just be on the team, right. 92 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: I'm certain if Tommy Lloyd had a kid who wasn't 93 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: good enough to play at Arizona, he'd have a spot 94 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: on the team, you know. 95 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 4: And I think the shocking part of what's happening with 96 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: Tommy Lloyd again from Matt Norlander's report, Matt Norlanders sources 97 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 4: are saying U and C offered Tommy Lloyd a top 98 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 4: two contract in college basketball. Lloyd took less to stay 99 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: at Arizona. 100 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: It's just crazy, right right. He just wanted direct access 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: to the president. 102 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. That's all the guy wanted. And 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: he didn't want North Carolina. Did he stay somewhere. I 104 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: think it was mikey A who texted this that Steve 105 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: Kerr is his Michael Jordan. All right, we have that sound, 106 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: so let's play. This is Tommy Lloyd talking about and 107 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: I don't like Tommy Lloyd anymore. That is disrespectful to 108 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: the greatest to ever live. Here is Tommy Lloyd talking 109 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: about his new contract. 110 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 7: North Carolina is an amazing place. I mean, it's a 111 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 7: one of one and you know, it's an honor to 112 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 7: even be, you know, considered for that job. And North 113 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 7: Carolina's first class organization. And I appreciate them for the 114 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 7: way they've handled this. You know, Michael Jordan, the phone 115 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 7: call never did happen. So I'll with that the rest. 116 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 7: But I mean, come on, I mean we all idolized, 117 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 7: you know, mj You know, with that being said, though, 118 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 7: I made a decision that you know, you know, my 119 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 7: Michael Jordan's Steve Kerr and and and I'm proud to 120 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 7: be an Arizona Wildcat. 121 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 5: Who has more rings as a coach and player? Who 122 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 5: has more rings? Steve Kerr or Michael Jordan. 123 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: Well do you have to add in the NASCAR wins too? 124 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: Now for Michael Jordan, Yes, you do. 125 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: You have to add him in? 126 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: What's do? One thing is clear today? Yeah, the tea 127 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: And Tommy Lloyd does not stand for Tario, Nope, it 128 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: stands for Tucson. 129 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 5: I was gonna say, Taylor that you didn't want Tommy 130 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 5: Lloyd anyway, you don't want a head coach. He did 131 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 5: first names and then I realized that Billy Donovan is 132 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 5: pretty much two first names as well. 133 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Yes, Taylor, you disappointed that Michael Jordan did not reach 134 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: out to Tommy Lloyd, knowing how important this is to you, 135 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: to the university, how important that basketball program is. He 136 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: went to Belichick's first football game, he couldn't pick up 137 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: a phone and call Tommy Lloyd. I mean, come on, yeah. 138 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: So the Michael Jordan thing is, remember with Virginia Tech football. 139 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: It became like a running joke that somebody saw Metallica 140 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: performing and Metallica was going to be at Lane Stadium 141 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: for a Virginia Tech football game to perform. Enter Sandman. 142 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: That's where Michael Jordan has kind of fallen at North Carolina. 143 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 4: Anytime North Carolina people think they need a favor, the 144 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 4: first rumor is that Michael Jordan's involved, and Michael Jordan 145 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: has kind of proven, Hey, I'm gonna kind of let 146 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 4: you guys kind of run this program however you guys want. 147 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: Don't ask me for money, don't ask me for much help. 148 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: I'm not helping. 149 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 5: Wouldn't in theory, Michael Jordan want the bulls head coach 150 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 5: to be the UNC coach. Maybe so, maybe he's holding 151 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 5: out for Billy Donovan. Want Tommy Lloyd, Right, I don't. 152 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: Want to call that guy. 153 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: If I call that guy, he's gonna take the job, 154 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: and I don't want that guy taking the job. 155 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: I want Billy Donovan. 156 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 5: Yes, I do want to sue Taylor a little bit 157 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 5: and maybe some UNC fans if if this is the 158 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 5: way they're going, right, because it feels like that's where 159 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 5: Billy wants to go based on reports right Taylor, it's 160 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 5: reportedly struggles between him and the front office over in Chicago, 161 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 5: and that he has sort of thrown his name into 162 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 5: the interest pile in terms of UNC. 163 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: Correct correct? 164 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 5: All Right, So, in reading what I've seen from UNC 165 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 5: people as being concerns about Billy Donvan hasn't coached in 166 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 5: college in over a decade, you know, doesn't know the 167 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 5: way the current system sixty years old, which to me, 168 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 5: I don't think that's a big deal, and that he 169 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 5: hasn't won a whole heck of a lot with Chicago. 170 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 6: Well, let's be honest with the Bulls. 171 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 5: If it wasn't for Michael Jordan, that would be one 172 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 5: of the losingest franchises of all time because of their 173 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 5: their front office has always been a problem. And you 174 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 5: look at the people that they've brought in since Billy's 175 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 5: been there, and it's just been a. 176 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Hodgepodge, and of course Steve Kerr. 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 5: But what I see in Billy, and i've known I 178 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 5: covered him in college, I've seen a lot of trans 179 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 5: formation in Billy, like personally as a human being, but 180 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 5: also as a head coach. And he's learned a lot 181 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 5: just from his experiences as a head coach. And what 182 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 5: I see in Billy is a guy who desperately wants 183 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 5: to get back into relevance. Like he doesn't like being 184 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 5: just middle of the pack and nobody's talking to him 185 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 5: and people are like, oh yeah, he's still the coach 186 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 5: of the Chicago Bulls. He has doesn't love the fact 187 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 5: that he hasn't accomplished much of anything in the NBA 188 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 5: and he's. 189 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 6: Kind of stuck there. 190 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: Like I don't see him as thought of widely in 191 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 5: the NBA as his great head coach that if he's available, 192 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go get him. 193 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: He won't get one of the big time NBA jobs, 194 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: but he does have a chance still. After winning back 195 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: to back national championships at the University of Florida still 196 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: has a chance to land one of the big time 197 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: gigs in college. 198 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 5: Basketball, and I think he'd be motivated not just to 199 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 5: land it, but then to succeed when he's there. Follow 200 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 5: He's already a Hall of Famer, yes, right, but to 201 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 5: follow that up with success at UNC and Taylor. This 202 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 5: is the best thing for you to know about Billy. 203 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 5: Forget about his offensive ex's and o's, forget about his 204 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 5: defense's defensive. 205 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 6: Ex's and o's. He is a hustler that man. 206 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if it's your throwing money at players, 207 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: or it doesn't matter if you're just trying to convince 208 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 5: the players or sway the players. He will sell the 209 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: same way Stu sold stocks to Murray Bons. 210 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: It was bonds unis municipal tax free bonds to Murray. 211 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: I would just rip out a page of the phone 212 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: West Palm Beach, Ocean Drive and just anyone named Murray 213 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: first our last name, they were getting a call from me, 214 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: and chances are they were buying bonds. 215 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: Great business model. 216 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: So you think Billy Donovan is viewing this as a 217 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: chance to regain some sort of relevance, because I'm with 218 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: you them. 219 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Because if you were to think of Billy. 220 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, he won the back to back championships in Florida, 221 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 5: But like, the guy's a Hall of Fame head coach, 222 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 5: Like he's got a lot to his resume, and I 223 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 5: think it just kind of fizzling out is not really 224 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 5: something he looks forward to. 225 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this part of it up because 226 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: it's a big part of being a head coach, especially 227 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: at the college level. What he's trying to all you, 228 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: Taylor is he's a master salesman, and he is like 229 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: he is. He is like Calipari, he is like Rick Patito. 230 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: If that guy walks into a living room, there's a 231 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: good chance he's walking out with your son for the 232 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: next four years. 233 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 5: Sounds dangerous actually in today's climate to play basketball. 234 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, so there's still a name ahead of Billy 235 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: Donovan in terms of the Tears that North Carolina is 236 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: looking at their head coaching search. It's Dusty May, who, 237 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 4: as you guys also know, is still coaching in the 238 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: Final Four. And again, not much precedent of a coach 239 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: leaving a Final Four power for school to go to 240 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: another school. 241 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: Yes, but Taylor, I'm afraid the m and May stands 242 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: for Michigan. 243 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. 244 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: So while I'm disappointed today. The reason why I'm not 245 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 4: going to panic yet glass half empty un C has 246 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: been publicly denied by three of its time for candidates, 247 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 4: Brett Stevens, Iowa State's tj Otzelberger, Arizona's Tommy Lloyd. It 248 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: feels inevitable at this point that you're going to also 249 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: get to know from. 250 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: The half empty huh. 251 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, glass half full. 252 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 7: Huh. 253 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 4: You and C could hire just about any of the 254 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 4: top fifty coaches in college basketball, and it's still going 255 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: to be an upgrade over hubert Y. 256 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 257 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. That is eight 258 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: seven seven ninety nine on Fox. It is a strange 259 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: time where a guy like Tommy Lloyd does not want 260 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: the North Carolina job. That's like I know, loud Olsen 261 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: coached there at Arizona for a long time and never 262 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: would have left even if he was offered the Carolina job. 263 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: But I guess it's just a different time in college sports. 264 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: Is you were a guy who is the Arizona head 265 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: coach And I said this yesterday. It really gets down 266 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: to the person and how important the history of the 267 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: game is to that Lane Kiffin left to go to 268 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: LSU because being the LSU head coach, whether you agree. 269 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: With it or not, meant a lot to Lane Kiffen. 270 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: It would have had some I mean a lot to 271 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: Tommy Lloyd Somewhere along the line, he would have had 272 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: to say to himself, Hey, I would love to be 273 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: the head coach at a place like. 274 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: The University of North Carolina. 275 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: And I guess that day has kind of come and 276 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: gone because guys are choosing Arizona over Carolina unless unless 277 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: that job means something to them because they care about 278 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: the history of the game. 279 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent right, Except for that comparison to 280 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 5: Lane Kiffin, that dude the different animal. He had already 281 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 5: been to the pros, he'd already gotten a better job. 282 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 5: Now he was an old Miss, which I wouldn't call 283 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 5: ole Miss football in Arizona basketball on par I think 284 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 5: Arizona basketball has more like national championship potential than ole 285 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 5: Miss football. But one hundred percent agree with you, and 286 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 5: like it's just where we are today. Like, yeah, you 287 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 5: said it well there when you talked about what it 288 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 5: means to that person. But I think if you just 289 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 5: take a snapshot of the current climate and say, oh, 290 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 5: it doesn't matter if my school is unc or if 291 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 5: my uniform is super pretty. I can definitely pay and 292 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 5: get whatever players I want in my school. And if 293 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 5: sort of you know the devil, you know verse the devil, 294 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 5: you don't know situation, Yeah, I think that was going 295 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 5: into this process what I was worried about for Taylor 296 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 5: right his shooting high for all these coaches, A couple 297 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 5: of them still playing, which is a bad sign, A 298 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 5: couple of them a little outdated, which is another bad sign. 299 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 5: But no matter who you're going to target, is it 300 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 5: necessarily going to be that appealing? 301 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. 302 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: Taylor put it on the poll to Steve Kerr. Exists 303 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: because of Michael Jordan. 304 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Gotson Company 305 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: Live weekday, said three pm Eastern twelve pm Pacific on 306 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 307 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: Field Yates is with us right now. I'm very excited. 308 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: The draft is getting closer and closer. I can't wait. 309 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: It's the Jets Super Bowl every single year and. 310 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: Then they always lose it somehow. So let's start right there. 311 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: Whose career are the Jets going to ruin. 312 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: This time field. God, you put it that way. 313 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 8: I'm just going to make up a mythical prospect and 314 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 8: say them at number two and see if people believe it. 315 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: All right, let's see if we can. 316 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 8: Spin this positively. Okay, well, good luck the Jets. I 317 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 8: know I'm doing my best here over this draft to next. 318 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 8: The Jets currently own nine picks in the first two rounds. Yes, 319 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 8: I think you go into a draft and you say 320 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 8: to yourself, no matter what the year is, but some 321 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 8: years more than others, there should be about sixty players 322 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 8: per draft that are viewed as starters from the moment 323 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 8: they enter the NFL. So there's a chance that over 324 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 8: the next two years the Jets acquire close to forty 325 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 8: percent of their starting roster through the drafts, right nine 326 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 8: picks in the first two rounds. On top of that, 327 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 8: the Jets have three first round picks next year. And 328 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 8: I know that people get sick of hearing this draft 329 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 8: analysts talk about how next year's draft looks amazing. Next 330 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 8: year's draft does look unbelievable. It's not a mystery. Like 331 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 8: it's not a mystery why the Jets for the Cowboys 332 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 8: pick the second round pick this year and the first 333 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 8: round pick next year from Dallas for in the Quinn 334 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 8: Williams deal next year's draft. And I'm not just talking 335 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 8: about quarterbacks, but quarterbacks definitely, But there are just some 336 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 8: ridiculous non quarterbacks in next year's draft class. Jeremiah Smith 337 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 8: from Ohio State is probably the player that a year 338 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 8: out is considered the front runner as like the best 339 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 8: non quarterback in the class. But Colin Simmons, a pass 340 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 8: rusher from Texas, amongst many many other awesome players. So 341 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 8: if there's ever a time to have three first round picks, 342 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 8: it is twenty twenty seven. And what I think it 343 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 8: allows the Jets to do, I'm trying hard to be 344 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 8: very serious here is I do think it allows the 345 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 8: Jets this year to say, hey, if we truly whether 346 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 8: this is a good plan or not, but if we 347 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 8: truly want Gino Smith to be our starting quarterback for 348 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 8: this season, we can bypass a quarterback in this year's 349 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 8: class in the first round or two rounds. Really, you 350 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 8: take a guy, you know, if you take a quarterback 351 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 8: in the third round, fourth round, no one is saying 352 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 8: that guy is the answer for you long term. He 353 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 8: has a chance to become that. But we see third 354 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 8: and fourth round quarterbacks flame out all the time or 355 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 8: just these career backups at worst. 356 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: So the Jets do see your point field. We do 357 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: see third and fourth round picks succeed. I have much 358 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: sets in the NFL. 359 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 8: Yes, there's a minimal risk to drafting a quarterback in 360 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 8: the third or fourth round because if they hit, everybody 361 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 8: applauds you. If they just become career backups, it's like 362 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 8: that's the reason why they went in the third or 363 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 8: fourth round in the first place. Yes, so the Jets 364 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 8: do have a chance to reshape their roster and their 365 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 8: franchise over these next two years. And history would suggest, 366 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 8: especially recent history, that it's you know, the Jets are 367 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 8: going to have some errors along the way. It's hard 368 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 8: to go nine for nine on any draft picks. I'm 369 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 8: trying to I'm trying to make you feel good, though 370 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 8: here's too. 371 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: On the show. 372 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 8: And yeah, this is I think that, not like the 373 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 8: Jets have told me this, but I think the methodology 374 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 8: right now within the Jets front office is our master 375 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 8: plan is nine picks. That's our master plan. Right We 376 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 8: are now without Quinn Williams and sauce Gardener, and obviously 377 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 8: those are two of the best players on the roster 378 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 8: at the time, but you maybe got you extracted better 379 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 8: value for those players if you nail those draft picks, 380 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 8: then keeping those players and eventually getting towards the back 381 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 8: end of their prime before your team is sort of 382 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 8: fully clicking. So there is I think some calculus behind 383 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 8: what the Jets have been doing and what they will 384 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 8: execute over the next two years. 385 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: And you agree with it if indeed that is the strategy. 386 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: It's a strategy that you agree with. 387 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: For I agree that. 388 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 8: Not only do I agree with it and aggregate, but 389 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 8: like looking at each of those trades, my first thought 390 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 8: when I saw the reports come out on especially the 391 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 8: sauce Gardener trade, was like, that's incredible value for the Jets. 392 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 8: It's truly exceptional. At the time, the sauce Gardener trade 393 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 8: was made when Indy was humming, but I still thought 394 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 8: it was a good trade. They went on to lose 395 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 8: I think it was like six of their last seven 396 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 8: or seven straight games to end the season, and the 397 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 8: Jets now own a mid first round pick for Indianapolis 398 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 8: and the pick they have next year from Dallas. This 399 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 8: is not quite full like NBA lottery style, but it's 400 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 8: the it's the better of the two, I believe goes 401 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 8: to the Jets, the better of the Packers, and the 402 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 8: Cowboys goes to the Jets. So the Jets have some 403 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 8: optionality as well with next year's pick. If the Packers 404 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 8: get Micah Parson's back early and they're awesome, then the 405 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 8: Jets bringing to the Cowboys pick. If the Cowboys have 406 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 8: a great offseason and they hum next year the Packers 407 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 8: are more middle of the pack, the Jets get that pick. 408 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 8: So to me, it's it's a reasonable it's a good strategy, 409 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 8: not just in sort of the aggregat in the sum 410 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 8: but I thought each of the moves individually was logical 411 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 8: by the Jets. 412 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 5: Every time I see Jeff Halfley on a TV doing 413 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 5: an interview, I make sure I don't listen because I 414 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 5: just don't want to hear anything that he has to 415 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 5: say about writing that. Right are they how well are 416 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 5: they positioning themselves for this draft of next year that 417 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 5: you talk about because the mar for arch, like I 418 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 5: wanted to start right now, let's just go ohen whatever, 419 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 5: and you know, next year, let's wake me up and 420 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 5: I'll start watching the Dolphins again. 421 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 8: So a couple of things. I'm a big, big believer, 422 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 8: and it requires the right owner, because owners, i think, 423 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 8: especially in the NFL, are impatient and they have rabbity ears. 424 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 8: They hear everything that people like us are saying about 425 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 8: their franchises, and they make impulsive decisions, and they pull 426 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 8: the plug on team building plans sometimes or oftentimes too soon. 427 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 8: So far, under new leadership, the Dolphins have done have 428 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 8: accomplished two really important things. One, they've done a good 429 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 8: self scouting. The rostar was going nowhere nowhere like the 430 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 8: players that were on that roster that were the best, 431 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 8: most meaningful contributors, would not influence winning enough for it 432 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 8: to matter during the length of their current contract. Jalen 433 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 8: Wattle is probably the most notable. He's a great player, obviously, 434 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 8: but by the time that the Dolphins were back to 435 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 8: where they want to be, is either A going to 436 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 8: be either having a contract expired or expire ring or 437 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 8: B say hey, I'm happy to extend, but I now 438 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 8: no longer want to make twenty seven million dollars a year. 439 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 8: I want to make forty one million dollars a year. 440 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 8: And it's going to become more offensive. So A, they've 441 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 8: done a really good job of identifying, like, we're just 442 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 8: not good. Let's take our medicine this year and think 443 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 8: about twenty twenty seven and beyond. And B they've been 444 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 8: honest about it. I heard John Eric Salvan the New 445 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 8: GM describe it. I think it was to I'm almost 446 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 8: positive it was to Mike Floria and Chris Sims on 447 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 8: Pro Football talk about how like he sort of went 448 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 8: through the Jalen Wild trade and it was just he 449 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 8: kind of hit on some of the notes that I 450 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 8: mentioned that, like, you know, this is a guy who's 451 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 8: a great player, but making a certain amount of money 452 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 8: at a certain age. By the time his deal comes up, 453 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 8: like we may not be ready to carry a forty 454 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 8: two million dollar wide receiver ultimately, And yeah, I get 455 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 8: at the Seahawks just won Super Bowl with a dominant defense. First, Ultimately, 456 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 8: the best chance to sustain winning in the NFL is 457 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 8: to find good quarterback. That's just there's no two ways 458 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 8: about it. We're talking about you know, we've talked about 459 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 8: the Chiefs as the best team of the NFL for 460 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 8: the past decade because of Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen 461 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 8: gives the Bills a chance, and Lamar Jackson gives a 462 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 8: Ravens a chance, and Joe Burrow gives the the Bengals 463 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 8: a chance, and now Drake May gives Patriots a chance 464 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 8: because this guy's are great quarterbacks. So Miami is saying, 465 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 8: we can take all of our med in the medicine 466 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 8: this year probably be bad. We got to nail They 467 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 8: have seven picks in the top one hundred of this 468 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 8: year's draft. Gott to nail the draft, and then next 469 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 8: year we can start to piece together more talents. Make 470 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 8: a decision, were thoughtful decision on Malik Willis, Who's going 471 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 8: to be the starting quarterback for at least this year, 472 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 8: and then build this back up. 473 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: And if you're Miami, why. 474 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 8: Bother playing the short game. You've got Josh Allen who 475 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 8: probably has at least a half decade left a really 476 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 8: good play, and then Drake May, who might have ten 477 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 8: years left of great play. Look what's the rush right now? 478 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 8: If you're in Miami, I get it. It sucks and owners, 479 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 8: you know, Steve Ross probably hates the fact that the 480 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 8: stadium will be you know whatever. It might be half 481 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 8: empty in December, but okay, great, or you could you 482 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 8: could do what you've been doing recently, which is being 483 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 8: extremely expensive cash wise and not winning. So you choose 484 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 8: what you will prefer. I'd rather give myself a chance 485 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 8: to win in the long run than to, you know, 486 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 8: just spend a lot of money to go at best 487 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 8: nine to eight and then lose to the Chiefs in 488 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 8: the first run of the playoffs. 489 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: It's not the company you want, is he? 490 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: But it seems like the Jets and the Dolphins have 491 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: to do the same thing, just in the same division, 492 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: same problems, dealing with Drake May and Josh Allen, and 493 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: it's you know, take a long term. 494 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 5: Approach which is not on f and in a race 495 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 5: to see who can suck the hardest. 496 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is a. 497 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: Good time to do it, beer right. 498 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 8: Look around the NFL. How many other teams are in 499 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 8: that back to that boat. Yes, And I know that 500 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 8: a year from now we might be saying, oh, well, 501 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 8: this class didn't work out like we thought it would. 502 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: Right. 503 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 8: I'm just telling you, like and talking to people who 504 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 8: work for NFL teams whose job is to measure Hey, 505 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 8: the draft this year versus next year versus potentially two 506 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 8: years from now. We hear this much more and end 507 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 8: of the NBA where everybody is saying, part of the 508 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 8: reason why they're tanking this year is because next year 509 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 8: in the year after draft look pretty unfavorable at this point. 510 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 8: But people who are paid to forecast what the draft 511 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 8: will look like, not for ESPN or for your favorite 512 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 8: whatever your favorite draft website is or network is, but 513 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 8: for NFL teams right are saying next year's class looks 514 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 8: like an absolute doozy. And if you're the Jets and 515 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 8: the Dolphins and you're giving yourself a chance to be 516 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 8: in pole position to have a top five or ten pick, yeah, 517 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 8: it's going to suck during the year this year. But 518 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 8: do you think the Raiders regret not winning a couple 519 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 8: of games down the stretch. Of course not. There's thrilled 520 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 8: that they have the chance to take Fernanda Mendoz and 521 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 8: number one overall. 522 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you're right, there are a bunch of teams 523 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: or in the same boat. The problem is occasionally those 524 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: teams jump out of the boat and they go see, 525 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, a nice island somewhere. Perhaps they find themselves 526 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: in the super. 527 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: Bowl, maybe the playoffs. 528 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 3: I don't know. 529 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: The Jets are the fucking boat, and that's the problem, 530 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: you know. 531 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 8: Well, but there's examples, like I'll give you a recent 532 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 8: example of a team they're find now because they got 533 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 8: a quarterback a year later, but like the Giants a 534 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 8: couple of seasons ago, the year they ended up with 535 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 8: the sixth pick, which was Milk Naples, who was a 536 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 8: great player. Remember, like that was the class that had 537 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 8: GAILI Williams, Jaden Daniels and Drake may and the Giants 538 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 8: were trying like crazy to move up. Well I don't 539 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 8: know about like crazy, but they were trying to move 540 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 8: up to get Drake Maye. We saw it on hard knocks. 541 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 8: The offer they made was certainly not a serious enough 542 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 8: one for the Patriots to make the deal. But that 543 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 8: was like a couple of games, one or two games 544 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 8: at the end of that season. That was the difference 545 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 8: between the Giants right now having a quarterback from that 546 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 8: twenty twenty four class versus not now. Jackson Dart's gonna 547 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 8: be really good player. So I think all things have 548 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 8: ended up really well for the Giants. 549 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 4: But that is the I think what teams that are. 550 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 8: Kind of planning ahead are thinking about is that, like, 551 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 8: is is it fun? Like it might help a job, 552 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 8: might help the coach in a press conference in December 553 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 8: to not have to answer questions about seeking. Is there 554 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 8: really that much of a difference in the grand scheme 555 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 8: winning two extra games to go five and twelve? 556 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: That's not good, No, it's not. 557 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: His latest mock draft is out right now on ESPN 558 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: dot com First Draft. The podcast is also new episodes 559 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: out right now, him Melt, Mike Greenberg. How was Mel 560 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: by the way, how's he doing? 561 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 7: You know? 562 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 8: Mel actually called me yesterday and I said, Hey, what 563 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 8: do you have tomorrow? I said, oh, you know, I'm 564 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 8: going on with Stu Gotts and he goes, oh, I 565 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 8: love Stu Gotts. 566 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 4: Come after that first down? 567 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: Nothing makes me happier. 568 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 8: I mean, think about mals. Mail's got very specific taste too. 569 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 8: You guys know that like Mail loves what he loves right, yeah, 570 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 8: pie famously and uh you know his orange crushes as well, 571 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 8: his favorite his favorite summer cocktail and he loves I 572 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 8: think I think what he meant was the entire family, 573 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 8: you know on Stu Gotts uh here, So I think 574 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 8: that he really was referring to all four people on 575 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 8: this zoom right. 576 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 2: Now, not just me and Mikey. He loves to Mikeya 577 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: the most. 578 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: That's it. 579 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: Heah, he does love Mike Yeah, yes. 580 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: What what change from your last mock draft to this 581 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: mock draft? 582 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 8: Tell what I haven't had Last year? I felt like 583 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 8: there were some bigger swings in uh pre draft mock drafts. 584 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 8: I think part of that, let's just be entirely candid, 585 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 8: is is shud Or Sanders. Last year, right, there was 586 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 8: a time where it felt like he could go as 587 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 8: highs too and then ends up going one forty four, 588 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 8: so off by only one hundred and forty slots there. 589 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 8: But even like and I I'm sure there were some 590 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 8: people that were like, I don't know that he'll go 591 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 8: top thirty two, But it wasn't like I saw many 592 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 8: people that were like or maybe any people that were saying, yeah, 593 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 8: day three for shud Or Sanders. Uh Ty Simpson is 594 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 8: the player that has seems like the most interest of 595 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 8: where he goes. I did not do a mock draft 596 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 8: in which I had tie in like the top twenty. 597 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 8: I don't think then that also because I don't have 598 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 8: to do a mock draft until like right after the 599 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 8: season is over. When I struggles started to pick up, 600 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 8: but you know, Tie probably was. He wasn't a crazy 601 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 8: thought as like the fifth pick in the draft at 602 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 8: some point during the college football season. Now it's all right, 603 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 8: like just Tie, you even go in the first round. 604 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 8: He's the player that's going to define the night. I 605 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 8: believe for obvious reasons. He's a quarterback, and there are 606 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 8: teams that, of course are in that quarterback market. It's 607 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 8: just it's hard to get an answer because, you know, 608 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 8: one of the realities of the draft and talking to 609 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 8: people around the NFL is that, you know, people that 610 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 8: don't need a quarterback are going to be pretty honest 611 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 8: about the quarterback of valuations. Teams that do need a 612 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 8: quarterback are going to be honest about the quarterback of valuations. 613 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 8: But they're also good to acknowledge that even if, like 614 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 8: we're not totally sold on this player at this position, 615 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 8: you can't risk it. So yeah, it may sound good 616 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 8: to say like, well, we've got Tie ranked as a 617 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 8: late first and we think most people around the NFL 618 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 8: do as well, so maybe we'll wait until the beginning 619 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 8: of the second round. Just takes one team, one team 620 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 8: would jump ahead of you, and one team to make 621 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 8: you regret trying to be patient. The Giants like kind 622 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 8: of beautifully navigated this last year with Jackson Dart. They 623 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 8: had their cake and ate it two with Abdu Carter 624 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 8: at three and then Jackson Dart at twenty five, twenty 625 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 8: four to twenty five. That's hard to bank on every 626 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 8: single year. I give the Giants credit for the way 627 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 8: they went about it. They executed it last year. But 628 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 8: there might be a team that's saying to themselves, like, 629 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 8: can we pull the Giants of twenty twenty five in 630 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 8: twenty twenty six? 631 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 4: And there might be somebody. 632 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 8: Else that says, we like Tigh enough that where's going 633 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 8: to take him? 634 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. Check it out. His mock draft 635 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: is available right now on ESPN dot com First Draft. 636 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: The podcast is wonderful. 637 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: It's Tim, Mike Greenberg, and our Fred melkiper Junior. You 638 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: are too. 639 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 2: Old to be sitting in an office like that. I mean, 640 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: you were too young to be sitting on an office 641 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: too old. Dammit. 642 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 8: You're trying to grow into it, right. 643 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: How old do you feel to I mean I am 644 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: thirty eight, yeah, but you're an old thirty eight? 645 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: Wow? 646 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: He knows he is. 647 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: He doesn't know it's not even a wow. He knows 648 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: he is. 649 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 8: The problem is the problem is I've got young kids 650 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 8: and the dog, and this is the only room in 651 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 8: the house. It has two doors that not only shut 652 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 8: but lock. Yes, oh wow, I've got you know, so 653 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 8: I've got the capacity here to prevent some sort of interruption. 654 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy. 655 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 656 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 3: the nation. 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Again, just search Stu gots and 665 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 5: Company Live, and also check out our original podcast, Stu 666 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 5: Gots in Company, God Bless Football and with Stu Gotson Hawkman. 667 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: Thank you to Field Yates for joining us us ad 668 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: nan Verka to join us in about fifteen minutes a 669 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: day after saying show, Hey Otani was overrated. He is 670 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: three for five with three RBIs today It's about time 671 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: Taylor put it on the poll show, Heyotani, about time 672 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: Taylor told me? And listen, this is always a shock 673 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: to me. Okay, Once someone anywhere in my life walks 674 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: by me and says, hey, Stu, you're going to be 675 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: right about something, and I'm like what, I'm never right 676 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: because I'm usually not right. But Taylor tells me, Hey, Stu, 677 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna be right about something, and I got excited, 678 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: not knowing what it is I'm going to be right 679 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: about Taylor tell more, please. 680 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 4: So, Stu, if I tell you US men's national team 681 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 4: when it comes to soccer, what are your first thoughts? 682 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 4: Normally not good and going into a World Cup cycle 683 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 4: where the World Cup is this summer. Yeah, normally there's 684 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: some hope there around the US men's national team. There's 685 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 4: no hope this year. 686 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: Wow, Because that's what the World Cup is all about. 687 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: It's about hope. And so you are telling me that 688 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: this year they are they are devoid of hope. 689 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 690 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 4: So their coach, Mauricio Pochettino, it feels like he knows 691 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 4: he's on the way out, yes, and he's just gonna 692 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 4: take side swipes at everybody on his way out. They 693 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 4: lose five to two against Belgium in a friendly, and 694 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 4: then they lose two nil to Portugal in a friendly, 695 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 4: and when they asked Pochettino after the game, he said, 696 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 4: Belgium and Portugal both have top one hundred players, some 697 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 4: players playing that top one hundred. I don't think we 698 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 4: have that. 699 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 5: Wow, completely, just taking all hope away from that team. 700 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 5: That's insanity because it wasn't. But just last year where 701 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 5: they had a couple of games that beat the Uruguay, 702 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 5: they beat Paraguay, they seemed like they were potentially showing 703 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 5: some good form going into the World Cup. But these too, 704 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 5: and it's just you're right, Taylor. It's not just the result, 705 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 5: but the vibes from the top down just don't seem 706 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 5: like they're very good. Christian Polistic, the one player that 707 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 5: everybody would probably recognize the most seemingly been playing like 708 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 5: trash recently. 709 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 6: So yeah, terrible time to host a World Cup, I guess. 710 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: Listen, I'm just saying this. 711 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: I have heard about this soccer explosion in the United 712 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: States since the nineteen eighties, since the Cosmos, since the 713 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: Arrows and Chep Messing, since Giorgio Canalia. I have heard 714 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: about a soccer explosion in the US since the eighties. 715 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 6: Since the Cosmos sounds like a lot longer than the eighties. 716 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: And I'm still waiting. 717 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: We have two memorable goals in the history of the sport, 718 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: and one was by Pulistic's penis. I mean, it's just unbelievable. 719 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: Landon Donovan had the other. We're not good at soccer. 720 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: We're never gonna be good at soccer. You want to 721 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: know why kids go out on the field, they play soccer, 722 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: they play little league soccer, and they're like, hey, it's 723 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: hard kicking a ball around and I never get the 724 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: ball and I'm just standing here and I'm doing nothing 725 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: that it's boring and no one ever scores. 726 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm done with soccer. I'm on the football. I'm on 727 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: to baseball, I'm on to basketball. 728 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm onto the sports that are exciting and that will 729 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: eventually pay me, and soccer is not. 730 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: One of them. 731 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: That's the problem. Seriously, I'm being serious here. I'm telling you, 732 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: at a very young age, kids realize, hey, this game 733 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: is boring. 734 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 2: It's not for me. There's no money in it. 735 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to play baseball if I'm gonna be bored 736 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be bored playing baseball. 737 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: How about that? 738 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 4: If we were to reach into your US men's national 739 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: team soccer bag. Yeah, who are those two names you dropped? 740 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: Chep Messing? 741 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: He was an Arrow Indoor Soccer League legendary goalie, great 742 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: head of hair. The other one was Giorgiocanalia, who played 743 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: for the Cosmos back in the back in the eighties. 744 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: That's when soccer was exploding. 745 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 4: Taylor, is it just me? 746 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 747 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 6: I know we're not playing that. 748 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 5: But when Stu Gott says I'm being serious here, do 749 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 5: you have to wonder if he's actually. 750 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 6: Being serious here? Because I still don't know if he. 751 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: Is or is I haven't been consistent about anything throughout 752 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: the course of my twenty year career. This is the 753 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: one thing, and Taylor knows this. I have been consistent 754 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: about soccer never having any sort of explosion in the 755 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: United States unless it's the women's team. 756 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: They're dominant, they're fantastic men. 757 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 4: You stink it's whir to watch soccer in this country. 758 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 4: Most fans have to go across the pond. 759 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, well I can go across the street basically. 760 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 4: Y In Miami, they won another Cup or something that 761 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 4: they say. 762 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: And there was a time where Michael Jordan tried out soccer. 763 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: He's out there, he's bored, he's kicking around, he's picking grass. 764 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: He has no idea. It's a hard game. And he says, hey, 765 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,959 Speaker 1: you know what, enough of soccer? Because imagine if Michael 766 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: Jordan played soccer. I mean, then I didn't talk about 767 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: an explosion, right, And he decides, hey, there's no money 768 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: in this thing, and if I'm going. 769 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: To be bored or whatever, I just a need more activity. 770 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 2: Basketball boom. 771 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 5: I have no idea what it would have looked like 772 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 5: if Michael Jordan had played, mean, twelve World Cups. 773 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 6: Twelve World Cups even though they've played every four years. 774 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 4: Wow, I just read something Chef Messing. 775 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 776 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 4: When he made his debut for the Cosmos, he attracted 777 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 4: attention by posing in the nude for a photo spread 778 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 4: of Viva magazine. He was paid five thousand dollars, which 779 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 4: at the time is thirty three thousand dollars in today's 780 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 4: and he joked that the photos gave the Cosmos more 781 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 4: exposure than they would ever receive for just playing soccer. 782 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 5: Let's bring that back, shall we show him hands anybody, No, 783 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 5: just me, Okay, It's how. 784 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 4: We saved soccer. Bringing the dogs