WEBVTT - Episode 9: Watercolors with Rita Wilson 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.559 Hello, This is Christian Bush and welcome to episode nine 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:12.520 of my podcast Geeking Out. Every episode, I invite a 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.360 new person to talk about one thing that they're obsessed 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.079 with that has nothing to do with their job. The 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.119 only requirement is that they're totally geeking out on it 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.079 and they want to talk about it. From at home 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.880 perfume kits to custom made picture socks from build your 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.960 Own horse barn blueprints to vintage British driving gloves from 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.360 Destination bird watching two Japanese made cafes, tell me about 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.120 what you love, why you love it, how you got 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.680 into it, and what makes it awesome. Each episode is 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.760 presented in three chapters. In chapter one, my guest and 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.360 I will have a conversation about their passion. In chapter two, 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.720 we play a game I called trade It, where my 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.320 guests and I turn each other onto something cool we've 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.600 recently discovered. And in chapter three, I closed the show 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.200 by talking about music that I am currently geeked out 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.520 on and why I believe that curiosity is contagious and 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.920 that life is better with the soundtrack. So let the geakon. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:16.760 Begin Chapter one. Today's guest is Rita Wilson. You might 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.960 know Rita from her role in Sleepless in Seattle or 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.600 on The Good Wife, or because she produced My Big 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.959 Fat Greek Wedding. But I know her because she is 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.000 a wonderful singer songwriter and one of my favorite people 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.640 to be around. We even co wrote the song that 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.720 you're listening to right now, which is called every Day. 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.319 This is from her two thousand sixteen self titled album, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.920 and you should go and buy it immediately, seriously, push 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:53.200 pause right now and go to iTunes. All right, are 0:01:53.200 --> 0:02:02.920 you back? Okay, enjoy our conversation. First off, introduce yourself. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.040 I am Rita Wilson. I am an actor, a producer 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:12.160 and currently, within the last few years, singer songwriter. You 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.800 are partly thanks to you. And where are we? We 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.480 are backstage at the Geffen Playhouse because we just finished 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:24.240 doing the show Liner Notes that I UM produce and 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.880 participate in and its songwriters telling the stories behind their 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.920 hits and singing them. And you just played and I 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.800 just played it, and just at the end of a 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.320 four day run, yes of this and this is the 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:41.360 first of two weeks right um, And the Geffen Theater 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.880 is in the middle of U. C. L A. Yeah, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:49.840 it's Um, it's the Geffen Playhouse, which is named after 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:55.919 David Geffen, the amazing music producer and now philanthropist. And 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.959 I've been I was born and raised in l A. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.960 So this year actually is a part of my childhood. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.400 I used to come here to see plays when I 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.920 was a kid. Yes, but I think it was originally 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.520 a Masonic lodge. So it's beautiful because it has that 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.960 courtyard in the front, and it has, you know, a 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:19.000 beautiful architectural vibe. It doesn't it's like old fashioned. Yeah, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.600 it looks a little bit like a church on the outside. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.440 It does, it does, but I think that was the 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.440 whole Masonic lodge thing to it. I think I love it. Yes. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:32.720 So here on the podcast, the requirement is I'm interested 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.560 in hearing about something that you're um geeking out on 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.360 that it has nothing to do with your job. Okay, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.160 So job is now off the table, not talking about that, um, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.160 And what I'm interested in is kind of what you're into. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:49.560 And I know what you're about to say because you've 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.400 already told me, but I just I want you to start, Okay. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.000 So this happened a few years ago, maybe about ten 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.760 years ago, because I as a parent, and as a 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:06.800 wife and as you know, a woman, I guess I 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.040 am the person who does sort of like puts together 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:15.400 the family vacations and uh sort of keeps everybody busy 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.400 and gives them things to do during these vacations. And 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.040 sometimes you have to have things on downtime. So I 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.120 was packing up games or the kids would have projects 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.360 or something, and so we would all be really prepared 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.200 and we'd get to someplace we were going to for 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.919 vacation and I would look around and you know, my 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.440 husband would be, you know, writing something, and my kids 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.000 would be involved in some sort of project that they 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.480 had going or putting together some special sort of toy 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:49.240 or puzzles or whatever, and I would be like, I 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:54.760 forgot to bring something for myself. And then I realized 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.080 I didn't. I wasn't a puzzler. I didn't know how 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:03.200 to do anything crafty. I really didn't know what to do, 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.960 and it really stumped me. And so I thought, well, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.960 what do I want to do? And I realized that 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:15.039 I had always loved watercolors. And I don't know why 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.120 I had loved water colors. I just think there's something 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.920 about the texture and the opacity of them, and how 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.200 kind of the water. I just love the water. Except 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.880 I had never painted water colors in my life. I 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.800 had never taken a drawing course, I had never done oils. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.839 I knew nothing about art, and so I came back 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.320 from our vacation that year and I found an art 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:46.560 class in watercolors, and so I was like, Okay, I 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.559 am going to learn how to do this. And it 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:55.040 was crazy because I knew not one thing about it 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.000 and I don't know how to draw. So it started 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.760 out super base it, you know, like here are the paints, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.560 and you know, here's the water, and here's how you 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:11.360 do a thing called a gradation of color, and here's 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.359 how you mix colors. And we learned about secondary colors 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:19.560 and tertiary colors and the color wheel, complementary colors and 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.320 all of this was the education educational background, and that 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.800 was basically year one. And then we started doing things 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:33.800 like painting blocks or square shapes or things that were 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:39.000 super simple and super basic. But as I started doing it, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:44.960 I realized, like, wait a minute, if you do something consistently, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.960 you will not get worse at it. And that was 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.720 encouraging to me because I was looking around at other 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.320 people everybody was a beginner, but some people had insanely 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.680 good inherent talent, and I was looking around, going, well, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:04.160 that's not me. But what happened was I took the 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:09.440 class for five years and I actually learned stuff, and 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.040 a lot of the stuff that I learned was technique, 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:17.560 things like if you want to reserve some white on 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.640 a on a piece of paper, that there's this stuff 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.920 called masking fluid. And the masking fluid is basically like 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:31.560 something that you can put on the paper that when 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:37.040 you paint over it, it doesn't It keeps everything underneath 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.160 that fluid white, and at the end of the painting, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.760 you rub that stuff off and then you have these 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.200 white spots. So like you could use that for highlighting, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.400 right if you wanted to have a really big highlight, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.960 because the thing with watercolor is you're trying to not 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.160 waste all of your white that's on your paper, because 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.080 once you paint over that white, you can't get it back. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.040 I mean they're even try to get the white back, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.840 but you don't use white paint necessarily to create white, 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.000 so thinks so you have to kind of think backwards exactly. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:16.560 And um, so then we started branching off from boxes 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.360 and you know, kind of geometric shapes and things like 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.880 still life. So we would do flowers, we would do vases, 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.640 we would do um you know, whatever the teacher was 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.679 setting up. We would learn how to work with shadows. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:41.080 But what happened was I loved it. I absolutely loved it. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:45.000 And now I travel with a very specific set of 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.760 paints um I for anybody listening out there, I like 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:58.040 the Shrinky Yes Shrinky forty eight palette forty eight palette set, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:05.360 which is a super um compact UH palette for with 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:11.240 forty eight colors in it. And I like arches cold 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.920 pressed paper forty pound because I like a rougher texture. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.640 And I have these incredible brushes that are portable and 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.720 they're the number I travel with, the number two, four, six, 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.360 and eight, and sometimes a ten, just a separate ten. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.080 But what I have found is that I can paint 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.640 on an airplane, I can paint at somebody's house. We 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.160 can paint on little tables. And I have girlfriends who 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.079 also paint now, so when we travel together we call 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.120 it sketch Club. And in the afternoon, after we've done 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.400 a hike or we've done something cool, we come back 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.280 and we like get out the paints and we do 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.920 sketch club. Now, one of the things I cannot do 0:09:55.000 --> 0:10:00.200 is um portraits. I'm so bad at portrait. So I 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.720 took a portrait class. I was by far the worst 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.280 person in the portrait class. If you were being generous, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:13.000 you would say, like, oh, Rita's portraits look like they 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:18.160 want to be Modigliani. I mean, the faces look so 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.480 strange in there. That's because I don't have a background 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.200 in drawing or figurative drawing or anything like that. So 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:32.360 it's a challenging no, nothing, nothing, nothing, but I am obsessed. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.560 So like what I do now sometimes is I like 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:39.040 to paint if you're just sitting outside and doing a 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.480 landscape or something like that. But what I often do 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.480 if I know that I'm not going to be able 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.120 to be in a place for you know, three or 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.200 four consecutive days in a row, I'll photograph something and 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.880 I'll paint it while I'm at that place, and then 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.400 I take the photograph with me so I can continue 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.440 painting it after I'm done. Refer back to that, I 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.719 refer back to it. And also I do this thing 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.480 too where it's like if I see something and this 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.880 is actually just a good exercise if I see something 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.319 like last summer, I was painting this amazing, big kind 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.920 of rock island and I wanted it was such a 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.280 beautiful day and there was kind of a weird little mist, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.199 and the sky was pink and orange and the sea 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.520 was very calm, and I wanted it to kind of 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.360 reflect the colors of the sky and this rock. And 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.920 I did maybe four or five of those in a 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.640 row until I got it right, because I became obsessed 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.280 with Nope, that sky is not right, Nope, that sea 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.320 doesn't look right, and uh, and that You just keep 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.400 doing it and doing it until you kind of get 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.920 to the point that you feel like, Okay, this is 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.080 kind of what I saw in my head that I 0:11:54.120 --> 0:12:00.240 wanted it to be. This is awesome. This explained little 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:06.439 bit of your Instagram. Yes, yes, wondering. Yeah, so that's 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.120 what it is. I mean, it's hard to do. I 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.760 always think it's hard. I always feel like I'm starting 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:19.320 something and I go, I mean, you know, the the 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:24.400 hardest part is the drawing of it, the sketching of it, 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:31.000 the proportions, the perspective, um making sure that you know 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:36.080 it's balanced in the right way, And the fun part 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.080 for me is the actual painting and like mixing the 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.680 colors and getting the colors right or the texture right 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.600 or something, you know, like that the technique of it. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.480 But the sketching can take That's that's the bulk of 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.640 the time, sketching it, I think. And then and then 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.679 I always get mad at myself because like, why am 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.640 I not looser? Why can't I just like do it 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:05.680 without like being so what's the word? Um? Trying too hard? 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.320 Like why can't I just be? And And sometimes I 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.720 just do that on purpose. I'm like, I have five 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.000 minutes to paint this, and I give a boundary. Yeah, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.960 I give myself a boundary. I have five minutes to 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.400 paint this, and I just see what happens with it. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.719 And then you know, and it sounds like junk. It 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.840 sounds like your version of golf. Yes, it's kind of 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.400 like you versus you. Yes, it is it is. Do 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.360 you have anything like that? What is your version of that? 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.199 I don't know. You know, I love board games. Do 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.400 you which ones? I'm a big board game fanatic. It 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.920 just depends on how do you like risk? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:48.400 it's like monopoly in our later section, I'm will start you. Okay, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.480 that's what we'll do. We get to trade you. I'll 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.640 do that. Okay, good. But so let me ask you 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.959 a couple of so if someone was just trying to 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:03.280 start out in this, how do they start? Like, well, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.760 if you had to recommend three things that they do, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.880 they just anybody could do if they wanted to do this. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.320 All right, Well, the first thing I would say is 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.800 try to find an art class near you somewhere, and 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.040 there's usually a lot of art classes. If there isn't 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.920 an art class near you, I would try to find 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.240 an art teacher that's near you. And if you can't 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.960 find an art teacher, there's always YouTube. I can go deep. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.680 Oh yeah, but Russ, but you can go to YouTube 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:39.400 and you can just google watercolor tutorial, watercolor portrait and 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.440 they will do time lapse of like this is how 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.440 you do it? And so I have gone deep at 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:50.560 night into the watercolor tutorials definitely. But I think there's 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.600 always room and there's always somebody who's doing it near you, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.000 so you can always find someone a good teacher. I mean, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.480 there's there's people are so cree aative and actually, without 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.600 taking the watercolor class, I don't think I would have 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:12.920 done songwriting because it was so daunting to me that 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.240 I knew that if I stuck with it, and I 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.480 stayed with it, that I wouldn't get worse, and that 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.160 I would learn from the people that I was working with. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.280 And that's what's good about being in a class, because 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.480 if you're in a class, you're you're seeing the person 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.440 next to you going, oh my god, that's great. How 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.200 did you learn how to do that? How did you 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.600 come up with that technique? You know, I want to 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.400 know how you got that. And somebody's coming up to 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.840 you saying, well, how did you do that? And so 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:45.240 you're constantly observing and um taking it in, you know, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:50.520 so you're you're soaking it up as well. If this 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:55.040 keeps going, which it sounds like it's going to keep going, right, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.720 I'm going to keep painting. Definitely. It's so soothing. I mean, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.840 it's really calming to me. How if there's a point 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.960 where you think I think I'm I've I've come over 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.520 the edge, like is there a line that you've already found, 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.320 You're like, oh, you know, I blew off, Like I 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.240 missed picking up the so and so like like like 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.520 is there a line that you've found so far? And 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.360 if not, is there a line in the future past 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.680 which you won't go. I was on a plane trip. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.760 It was in an international flight, and you don't need 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.360 a lot of room to paint, and you only need 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.760 a glass of water and you know, some paper towels 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.440 and I went deep. I was so tired. I should 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.240 have been completely sleeping on this flight, but I could 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:50.040 not stop painting. And I got to my destination completely exhausted, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.840 but I couldn't I couldn't stop. I really could not stop. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.600 I was like, I have to finish this. I have 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.760 to finish this, and I don't want to stop. And 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.320 I had my music on and I you know, my 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.960 little headphones, and yeah that I'm sure there would be 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:11.359 when you're working on something really um and you're really 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.720 liking it, you you don't want to stop. And but 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.879 I've learned, I guess over the course of just because 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.880 you're if you're a mom, you have to stop things 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:27.000 like okay, my kids need me. Um. I kind of 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.280 can pull myself away and then come back. But it's 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.960 it's really fun, this is awesome. Come on, I will 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.359 confess the only award that I ever won in middle 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:44.879 school was for watercolor. Come on, in seventh grade, I 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:50.000 painted a picture of the Only reason I remember this 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.000 is because my mom saved it. Um of like a 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:59.800 a beach shack and like a palm tree and whatever. 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:01.600 I had done the shading on the palm tree correct 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.919 and um, it was a pretty low bar that I 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.320 had to hit the sound grade. But that was my 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.520 only experience. When you still have it, did your mom? Yeah, 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.080 of course, Mom's frame think And now you look at 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.080 it and you're like, oh, no, dude, that's that's like 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:23.080 a coloring book. That's but um, I'm fascinated that this 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.040 is a form of expression for you that seems like 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.240 you didn't find till now. And then if I hear 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:35.399 you right, you feel like maybe you won't stop. I 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.399 don't think I'll stop. My mom was a really creative person, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.680 and you know, when we were little, she sewed all 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:47.640 of our clothes. She made our bedspreads are curtains, and 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.000 you know, she was Greek. And I would go to 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.480 a store with her and I'd look at something, you know, 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.439 a piece of clothing or something like that, and she 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.840 would studiously look at it, and she'd kind of examine it, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.520 and then she'd look at me and say, I can 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.160 make that for to you. You don't need to buy it. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.119 And I'm like, as a kid, I just wanted store 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.320 bought stuff, you know, like please take me to J. C. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.199 Pennies and buy me those jeans. And she's like, no, 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.200 you can't make jeans. Mom. She's like, I could make jeans. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.439 And we would go down to the fabric store and 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.119 pick out fabric and get a Buttermilk or Simplicity or 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.400 Vogue pattern and she would make me my clothes. I mean, 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.000 crazy gorgeous things. I mean I look back on that 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.040 stuff now and I think she was amazing. But she 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:41.840 also could crochet, and she could crochet so beautifully, and 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:46.400 she has made me the most extraordinary bedspreads. And one 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.520 day we were in a Ralph Laurence store, and you 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.679 know how Ralph Lauren has a lot of vintage stuff 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:57.560 in it, and they had a vintage crochet bedspread, probably 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:02.199 from the twenties or something, all white, and I was 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.400 my mom was over there looking at the crochet bedspread, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.760 and I was wandering the store and I came back 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.200 in about twenty minutes and my mom was sitting there 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.080 and she had her hand under her chin, and she 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:18.679 was just staring at the bedspread, staring at it. And 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.879 I said, Mom, what are you doing? And she said, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.080 I'm counting the stitches because I'm going to do this 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.280 pattern when I get home. It was the most intricate pattern. 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.479 And she got home and she made she made it. 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:36.560 I don't know how she did it, and that is 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:41.480 what is on my bed. I mean, it's unbelievable. So there. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:46.560 I think I always saw my mom being creative and 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:51.720 having something to do that was, you know, something she 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.760 did out of love really or her own creative endeavor. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.200 But you know, I look around my house and there's 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.119 so many things that my mom made, so I know 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.119 I'm doing that now. I'm just painting a bunch. I'll 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.080 leave them around. The kids will like either want them 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.920 or not want them. You know, have you sold any no, 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.120 have you ever thought about selling them? Would you sell one? 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.399 I don't know. I guess if somebody wanted one, maybe 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.680 here's I got a suggestion. This is a silly one. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.880 It's pretty Actually it's not a silly suggestion. I love 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.080 rock posters, which are these there's a whole culture of 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:31.000 people who are these designers and printers who print posters 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.960 just for one show. They do a design just for 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.919 one show and then they make it on a you know, 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:41.359 screen print or something and they make it. Um. That 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.240 might be kind of cool. You could make a series 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:48.439 of show posters. Wow, I like that idea. And then 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.720 you don't have to sell them, but you could use 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.240 them to Yeah. Well, like Joni Mitchell used to paint 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.840 a lot on her album covers and yeah, she used 0:21:57.880 --> 0:21:59.879 to do a lot of paintings. She didn't she was 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.080 really good and amazing self portraits and all of that. 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:08.840 I did take one painting and I made um um 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.720 cards out of them, like Greenland cards. And then I 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:16.840 did this one painting that was um, I don't know 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.760 if you guys know what evil eyes are there? Those 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:23.879 like little symbols in sort of Mediterranean culture that are 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.760 supposed to be good luck. And so I did a 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:31.080 whole series of evil eyes and I printed fabric out 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:36.720 of that and made pajama pants up. It's like and 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.399 I know, and then I was thinking, well, maybe I 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.640 could do you know how you do lyric posters when 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.119 you go out on tour, and so I thought, well, 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.440 maybe I could paint my own lyric posters and then 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.760 handwrite the lyrics on there, like something like that. It 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:59.639 would be fun to do it, all right, Okay, Chapter two. 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.840 In every episode of Geeking Out, I see if I 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.200 can trade one thing I've discovered recently with one thing 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.560 that my guest has discovered. Anything is admissible in this 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:14.479 friendly exchange. I call trade it, all right. This section 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.520 of the podcast is called trade You. I'm going to 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.080 trade you something like one thing I'm kind of into 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.560 right now in exchange for one thing that you're into 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.159 right now. It could be anything. Could be like a 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.640 show you're watching on one of the services. It could 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.080 be like a record you're like, a book, could be 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.320 just like, for instance, the other day, I suggested, like, 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:37.879 I found this pillow that stays cold. What's that? You 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.280 know it's not that, But you have to listen to 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:45.159 the podcast, all right, So I'll start. Um. You had 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:49.639 mentioned this earlier when our conversation. Uh, I am into 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.840 board games, and this has happened in the past five 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:58.480 years maybe, and it started very um innocently. I think 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.480 as like an extent shouldn't like a trivial pursuit was 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:05.240 kind of too hard to some degree, and I came 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.600 across this one called bezer Wizard, which was this kind 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:12.760 of Swedish trivia game. It was it was Swedish design, 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.399 but it's in English and uh, and it became just 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.840 a funny thing to pull the cards out and just 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.919 talk to people in my house, and my kids were 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:26.760 smart enough to try to answer, and eventually, or pretty quickly, 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:28.800 I was like, well, do they have an extra pack? 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.160 I know all the answers already, So I got online 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:35.120 and I found the website I went through was a 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.200 website called board game Geek, but that was just where 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.200 it popped up first, right. I was like, where are 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.879 the extra bezer Wizard And it came up at this 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.400 and then it said, oh, this is an award section 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.280 of our highest award winning games for each year. And 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.560 I went back two or three years and I bought 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:59.159 one of the games. And all of these games are 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:03.560 things like your brain just doesn't quite get until you 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.639 see them. Okay, they've made apps out of some of 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:11.520 these things, like video like off your phone, but I 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:15.760 would start you on a game called Ticket to Ride. 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.680 So what it is good it's a it's a great title. 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:25.000 Love that song. UM. It's about trains and you you 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:29.320