1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: My daughter had an affair with my other daughter's husband, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: so I uninvited her from Christmas. Did I go too far? 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: This is Okayop, the Home of the Craziest Stories in 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: the world. I'm Sam and John. Do you think OP 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: went too far? 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: You know? Uh, if you're trying to sleep with your 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: you know, sister in law basically brother in law. 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get closer to my family. Oh, 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: that's that might be a little a little too close 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: for the family, you know what I mean? We're close 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: to right now? What the Christmas season? Happy holidays, ho. 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: Ho in the right way. 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think we might have at least 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: one hoe in this story, So let's definitely to it. 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: Let us. 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: Spill that tea. 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: So Electronic Gas five seven sixty nine says. I am 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: the mother of four children, two older sons and two 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: younger daughter. All of them are adults and have moved 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: out a long time ago, which is not always a 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: given these days with housing crises and such. Yeah, Sam, Yeah, dude, 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: it's expensive to live outside of house these days. I've 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: always been close with my daughter Sally, while Penny has 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: always liked to have her own space, which I don't mind. 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: They're both beautiful, talented young woman that I thought I 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: couldn't be more proud of. I thought I thought so 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: because they are thoughts. No. Early Christmas this year, first 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: week of December, I was inviting everyone around for Christmas dinner, 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: gift giving, and the lots. When I phoned Penny yesterday 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: to clarify a few things, she mentioned that she and 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: her husband would not be coming. Why. When I asked, 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: she said they had separated for now as he had cheated. 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: Oh, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, I've cheated on you. 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: I gave this nick in a box to someone new 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: and they opened it. I said that it was surely 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: better to spend time with family if this was the case, 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: and maybe she should come home for some time. Like 38 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: who better to console you and comfort you than your family? 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Exact God, who better to console and comfort your husband 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: than your family? Who better to bone husbands than family? 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: Put I see you in the comments if you know 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: it's about to happen. 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: She umped, and she awed, but then eventually she told 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: me he had an affair with none other than f 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: and Sally. There it is, and guess what, John, guess 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: what what? It? Wasn't a one time thing. Oh, don't 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: make it multiple times. It wasn't a two time thing. 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Don't make John stop. It was two years. See each 49 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: other for the past two years. I felt sick for 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: the past six months. In our talk, Sally has eluded 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: that she has been seeing someone and was typically girl 52 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: in love. God, you'll never guess who I'm seeing. You'll 53 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: never guess. 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: You'll never guess it. 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: I uninvited Sally to the Christmas gathering and blocked her. 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: Oh he's mom, wow, op, he blocked salad stant no contact. 57 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm able to deal with her 58 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: before Christmas. But this is family time, and family can't 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: hurt each other like that. I'm at a loss in 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: all honesty. Penny is now coming, which is good because 61 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: at this time she needs stability of people who love her. 62 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: In my opinion, the problem is that Sally naturally thinks 63 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm in the wrong. It's out of my business, and 64 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: as her mother, I can't block her and remove her 65 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: from the family. As her mother, I think she can. 66 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: I think she literally can do that. I brought you 67 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: in this world, I could block you out of it. 68 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: My sister thinks I shouldn't get involved in their personal lives, 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: which I think is bs. My daughter needs us right now. 70 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: But then she tells me I have two daughters to 71 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,559 Speaker 1: think about, which I think isn't true. Sally has forfeited 72 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: that right at the moment, you are no longer my daughter. 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: Which what do you think is that too far? I'll 74 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: take a pause right here to the story, but I 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: would love to know from the audience, do you think 76 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: OPI's taking it too far where it's like I am 77 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm not your mother anymore. I would love to know 78 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: your comments. Put it down, But John, what do you 79 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: think I mean? 80 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: I think I think it's totally fair to be like 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: kind of like temporary basically where you're like, hey, I'm 82 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: gonna block you right now because we are going into 83 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: the into the holidays. Your sister is the one that 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: needs consoling and support right now, so I want to 85 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: make sure I'm there for her. We're gonna sort, we're 86 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: gonna dive into this like mess later, but for right now, 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: like you you did this horrible thing. She needs her family. 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: Maybe there's to support her. Yeah, I do I think 89 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: it's fair. 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: I if this was me, if I was Opie I 91 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: would probably say that in a text rather than just 92 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: outright blocking. 93 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just be like, I think, I think 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: uninviting her makes sense because uh, it's gonna be a ship, 96 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a shit show. But I think the 97 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: better thing to do would just be being transparent and saying, hey, 98 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: this is why you're uninvited. I'm not blocking you, but 99 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: I am going to prioritize the person that you. 100 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: Just She must be just super emotionally charged right now, which, yeah, 101 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: nye makes sense, makes sense. 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: So thankfully my husband is cooperating with Sally at the moment, 103 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: but he is also in solidarity with me. So are 104 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: we in the wrong for uninviting a daughter for Christmas? Again? 105 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: Put your answers in the comments. I would love to 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: know and guess who just texted us? But Nick Witters 107 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: so edit. My husband showed me that this has gotten 108 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 1: a lot of responses, too many for us to answer 109 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: them all, but we will be reading them before bed. 110 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: So I got this is this is a cute little bedtime. 111 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this is so snuggle Reddit, tell 112 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: me in with my hot chocolate right before Christmas and 113 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 2: some of that juicy juicy tea to get right into 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: the bedtime action. 115 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. No, better doorplay than a Reddit story. 116 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: That's right, your kids. A small update, Penny's mother in 117 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: law found out. While me and her have only spoken 118 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: a few times, she did dote on Penny, and I 119 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: know Penny got along well with her. I haven't spoken 120 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: her personally, but I know she phoned my daughter and 121 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: was really supportive and crying. My sister said that if 122 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: Sally isn't invited, then she isn't going either, which is 123 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: fine by me. She wasn't invited in the first place 124 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: through the pandemic. Otherwise, I've been working and doing some crochet, 125 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: so it's been quiet. So before the update and such, 126 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: is ope the a hole? Yes or no? What do 127 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: we think? 128 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 3: You know what? 129 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: If you're forcing me to say it, I think I 130 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: will go a little bit. 131 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: Obviously. 132 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: The cheating sister is an a hole for sure, right, 133 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: that is like, hands down, no questions asked. 134 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: We all understand that. 135 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: I do think the mom is a little bit of 136 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: an a hole, like one percent over the line, oh 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: maybe a few percent. It is over the line because 138 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 2: it is such a immediate extreme reaction bringing it down. 139 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: When is there some potential conflict resolution. 140 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Next slash context Is there any content? 141 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: Is there any context dismissing? 142 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 143 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: I think basically opis like, you're not my daughter anymore, right, 144 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: which like is the most is the most extreme action 145 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: that you could take, which could potentially be a fair 146 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: you know, route to go with the new contact and everything. 147 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: But I think like sitting down and diving into it 148 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: more like. 149 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: Don't I feel like, don't just believe what your other 150 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: daughter said, or or like don't just believe the scuttle 151 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: but like hear it from the person first before you 152 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: decide to just completely cut someone out. 153 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again like the sister deserves, you know, some punishment. 154 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: But I would. 155 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Also say Opie is not the a hole, but they 156 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: like like generally just because they're trying to do right 157 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: by the daughter that was hurt, totally right. I do 158 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: think that there's just a way better way to go 159 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: about not being the a. 160 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: Ohp is Darth Vader. In her pursuit of trying to 161 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: do good, she just went a little too far into 162 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: the dark side, a little bit too far. 163 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 5: I got a question for you guys. 164 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 6: Have you ever had any family drama to where like 165 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,679 Speaker 6: you didn't have a family member like show up for Thanksgiving. 166 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: Or Christmas just recently really like this yeah yeah, like 167 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: it was the and it was the dumbest reason. So 168 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: like I took my one of my cousins say YouTube 169 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: prom all right, you know ver fuck let me let me. 170 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: I'll okay, story time, Okay, story time, okay, story time. 171 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: I'll leave it for the end. Let's do it, so 172 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: juicy update you ready, Let's do it? Hello all. My 173 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: Christmas gathering was yesterday and my son and husband wondered 174 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: if I would post an update for y'all. It's been 175 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: rather uneventful, but I've been equally surrounded by warmth and 176 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: love while also feeling heartbroken and lonely. So first of all, 177 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: since my post, my husband has been teaching me to 178 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,239 Speaker 1: use read it. I've really enjoyed being in some craft communities, 179 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: but that was so horrible. My daughter Penny has been 180 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: staying with us. She works from home. My husband and 181 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: Elvis went to get some more of her stuff from 182 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: the old house. Penny's mother in law, Jane was there 183 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: and was very helpful and sweet. She also brought some 184 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: mint hot chocolate for our Penny and Christmas candles. I 185 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: know they are her favorite. From what Penny has told me, 186 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: Jane is having similar feelings to me. A lot of 187 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: guilt over our children's decisions to hurt people we love. 188 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: I think at this point we have to accept that 189 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: we did our best raising them. But they're adults now 190 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: and we can't beat ourselves out. 191 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. 192 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: You can't stop your kids from going off, and you 193 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: know it's. 194 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: Not your fault. And so Jane is the mother in 195 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: law of Penny, right, so, and then Ope is the 196 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: mother of Penny. Right, So Penny and Jane are going 197 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: to stay in touch. I think Jane truly does think 198 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: of Penny as a daughter slash friend. But not everything 199 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: in sunshine and rainbows. John freaking dumb, beautiful bastard. Oh god, 200 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: I'm sexy reindeer myself. So let's go on to some 201 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: more negative things. I wrote my letter to Sally during 202 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: this time. I expressed that I was extremely disappointed, and 203 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: also discussed why I will continue to have a relationship 204 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: with her. 205 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: Yes, they're very good. 206 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: She won't be welcome to any family gatherings with Penny 207 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: present unless Penny has met a point in her life 208 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: where she feels comfortable, totally understandable, makes sense. I told 209 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: her what some of you had said, that not taking 210 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: a side would be aside, and that she had, for 211 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, already uninvited herself when she was 212 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: so cruel to her sister. Sally had apparently come up 213 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: on Friday and knocked on the door. I was out 214 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: shopping at the time, and my husband spoke to her. 215 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: Apparently Sally and Michael, my son in law, are going 216 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: to continue their relationship. Oh, which all right. Honestly, I'm 217 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of like, like, if you're going to fuck up 218 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: your whole family, you better be sure, right, Like, you 219 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: better be sure. So I'm almost glad that like in 220 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: their eyes, it was worth it, you know, yea some 221 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: at least at least something came out of it where 222 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: it's like going to stick in a weird way. 223 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: And like I guess she was kind of already removed 224 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: from all the family events, which makes sense. But my 225 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: but my next thought after that's like, yes, and it 226 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 2: makes the family dynamic harder and to. 227 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: Repair to repair. No, that actually I didn't think about that. 228 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: That is a good point. 229 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: Because they'll be you know what if they have children 230 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: to get Yeah, what is that a cousin brothers already 231 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: back to the cousin. 232 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: Brother level of Reddit. 233 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: That level of Reddit, it's curs at least my cousin 234 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: brother in law. 235 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: No, but this is your Christmas present to us? Come on, man. 236 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: But I do think, like, yeah, no, that is a 237 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,119 Speaker 1: good point. If if they're going to continute this relationship, 238 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: there's like no chance of them being integrated into the 239 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: family again. It's kind of unless uh, unless Penny like 240 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: somehow forgives it's all on Penny. If if Penny would, 241 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: it would probably take years, years to happen. I think 242 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: the only way I could see the family getting back 243 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: together again is if Sally and the guy have kids together. 244 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: But what if they have kids and they never meet 245 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: their grandparents, because. 246 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. I think like, if they 247 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: had kids, then I think op would feel a need 248 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: to give grandparents to what Riley? 249 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 5: What Riley? That's probably gonna happen. 250 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 6: The only way for the kids not to think they're 251 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 6: missing out is making them believe grandparents don't exists. 252 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: Are dead. 253 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: Sweetie, your grandparents walked off the roof of a building 254 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: because they were stupid Okay that or. 255 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 5: Like the concept that grandparents is in a thing? 256 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah it is. 257 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: It's going to go to school and be like Bobby's 258 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 4: got parents that are their parents parents, mom, And you're 259 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: just like, well, you know about Santa also not real? 260 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: Bro? 261 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm just kidding, kidding Santa Israel. 262 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: You know what I you know what I said to 263 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: himhen my heat lied to me, of course. But you 264 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: know when I said to my dad when he said, 265 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: Santa's not real? 266 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: What I was like, But but what your dad told you, 267 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Santa is not real? 268 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? What should we say it for? Okay? Story time? 269 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: Okay, story time? I want that story? What John, you're 270 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: four years old? 271 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 5: Now? 272 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: The world is a tough, hold hard place. 273 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 3: You're right, it's doggy dog daddy. 274 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: And I got to expose those rough batches. There's no 275 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: magic and mystery and the elves and reindeer amazing. There's 276 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: just the mines. 277 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 4: I love that. 278 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: Get the fucking work, kid. It's me and my lunchbox. 279 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Now the minds the children yearn for the mines, all right? 280 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 5: Where am I mind continue their relationship? I will never 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 5: support it. 282 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: I will not support it in any way or form. 283 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: She may be my daughter, but that man is not welcome. 284 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm supporting Penny through the divorce and if Sally ever 285 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: expects money for the wedding or a house, then she's 286 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: a very naive girl. My husband sent her away, after 287 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: which Sally said we'd have to get over it someday. Otherwise, 288 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: the Christmas gathering was lovely. It was strange not getting 289 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: drunk and playing board games due to COVID, but it 290 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: was still a pleasant time. My hip hurts from cooking, 291 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: but husband and Penny did the cleaning up, So who's 292 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: the real winner now. I hope you all have a 293 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: wonderful day. Thank you very much for the kind words 294 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: when I last spoke. And John, what so these updates? 295 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: These updates? I want to know what you're thinking. But 296 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: before I let you tell me what you're thinking. These 297 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: initial updates came from December twenty twenty. We are now 298 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: in October thirtieth, twenty twenty two, almost two years later, 299 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: and it is a juicy, juicy, juicy juicy update. But John, 300 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: I want to hand you the tinfoil hat and I 301 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: want you to conspiracy theorize what you think. 302 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: This juicy update is going to be a Sam, I don't, 303 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: I don't. I know, I know, but I don't want 304 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: to know. I know, but I don't want to know. 305 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: What do you think? What's your what's your prediction? 306 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: These mf rs are going to bang each other to 307 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: the point of bearing a child, and they're going to 308 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: take that child and they're going to deliver it into 309 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: the earth like a Christmas present on Christmas Day. And 310 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: then the op is now going to be like, well, 311 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: now I have you know, what choice do I have? 312 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: I have an innocent grandbaby that I want to see 313 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: and I want to protect my other daughter who. 314 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: Got cheated on. So what am I gonna do? That's 315 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. That's John's prediction. Let me know what 316 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: your prediction is right now, and let us see if 317 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: you're right. So I hope this message finds you well. 318 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: A lot has changed since we last Oh. 319 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: God, give it, just give it to me. 320 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: So I'd like to up you because I am finding 321 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: things a bit difficult right now. First of all, Penny 322 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: is doing well. She met someone new about a year ago. 323 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: They're incredibly supportive and sweet, and they make such an 324 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: effort in getting to know me and my husband Penny 325 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: was still living with me when she started seeing them, 326 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: so I got to watch their relationship develop. I mean, 327 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: how much did he watch oh god, oh hey, Bendy 328 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: as a grown woman. I couldn't help oh gosh, but 329 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: be reminded of when she was a child and having crushes. Okay, 330 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: it was very endearing and I'm glad I got to 331 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: witness first hand the smile her new partner gives her. 332 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Penny also got a new job and has moved to 333 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Ireland with her partner. Whoa dang. I don't know where. 334 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they're in Scotland or something, or in 335 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: the UK. 336 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: True, but like, but Ireland's possibly far, possibly far, and 337 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: still a pretty big movie either way. 338 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sally and Michael have continued their relationship. I don't 339 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of love to give Michael. I'm civil, 340 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: but frankly, it is difficult for me to become invested 341 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: in the relationship at all. Right, Michael recently asked my 342 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: permission to marry Sally, which was disrespectful to say the least. God, 343 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: you only get one of those per family. 344 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: I'm low key like, why even try. Just if you're 345 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: gonna do it, just do it. 346 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you did when you hooked up 347 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: with my other daughter. Come on, all of a sudden, 348 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: now you got respect. But like, is there anything to 349 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: say about someone learning? 350 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 5: I mean, like. 351 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: I think, like, like there is the argument there for 352 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: like I just did better. 353 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: You're you're you're you're trying. 354 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 2: You're like, you know what I did, the biggest f 355 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: up of all time. But here's me, at least trying 356 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: to do something. I mean that is that is one 357 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: way to view it. But doing something, doing something. Penny 358 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: still lived with me last Christmas, so again they were 359 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: not invited. I am not sing this Christmas and instead 360 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: going to go visit my eldest son. He and his 361 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: wife had a little boy at the beginning of this year. 362 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: They've asked me to stay with them for a little 363 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 2: while so I can help with the cooking and the cleaning, 364 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: as they have been struggling a bit. Finally, my husband 365 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 2: passed away nine months ago. Oh he fell while on 366 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: a walk and hit his head and was there for 367 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 2: some hours before someone found him. 368 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 5: Oh. 369 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: It's been a difficult transition, to put it mildly. Being 370 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: a little bit on the older side, I've lost a 371 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: fair few people in my life, and while I did grieve, 372 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: I always had the strength to continue. Losing my husband 373 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: made me realize how much I relied on him, not 374 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: just to take the bins out or pick me up 375 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: from choir practice. They have a such a cute old 376 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: person life, right, Oh my god, like she crochets and 377 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: shit the South dude. 378 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 5: Oh yeah you think so? Yeah, come on. 379 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: But all the times I was angry, sad and overwhelmed, 380 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: and he was there for me. When other people passed away, 381 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: at least you get moments of respite in the grief 382 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: where you just sort of forget they've passed. With my husband, 383 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: they are only reminders every time I wake up alone, 384 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: when I now have to take the bins out, when 385 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: I have to cook a meal just for one. There's 386 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: not really a moment of peace in this grief, and 387 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: I found it very difficult to deal with. It's his 388 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: birthday at the end of November, and there was another 389 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: moment of grief as I had to get rid of 390 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: my notes for birthday gift ideas in my notebook for him. 391 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: Everything has just been so painful to deal with, and 392 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: I just cannot stop crying. Even after all this time. 393 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: I just can't even stand to think of the good 394 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: moments I shared with him because it just hurts too much. 395 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: I know there's not a correct way to grieve or 396 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: a time limit, but I just feel like I've got 397 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: to get up and start looking after myself for everyone 398 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: around me. I really want to thank any of you 399 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: that read this. It's been incredible and helpful just to 400 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: be able to share my feelings a little bit. I 401 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: hope you all have been doing well. Kind regards. OPI. 402 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: Wow, that okay, OPI is a tragically beautiful. 403 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: Rgically beautiful. I feel for you. O pee dang, that's. 404 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 5: It's all the sister's fault. Yeah, think about it. The 405 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 5: husband died and Bill knocked his head on the concrete. 406 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 5: If the sister would have just. 407 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: Stayed, I honestly like most likely yes, no, I like, 408 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's a thousand of little things that like 409 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: cause our lives to change. He probably would have walked 410 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: a little bit earlier or later that day, and would 411 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: he would have adjusted in his footspacing just one. You 412 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been thinking about his family is like falling apart. 413 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: Goly, wow, you you gave us a sally. 414 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: You killed your father. 415 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: Damn Sally. 416 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that's too harsh, but that is har that's too harsh. 417 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: But I mean with Sally's bitch and so is and 418 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: and the and and and her her new man's is 419 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: a bitch, they said, the old man and Sally's new man. 420 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, total bitch. Not not the not the vibes, 421 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: not the vibes. But what do you think about what 422 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: do you think about how he has continued to handle this? 423 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: So like, as of right now, it seems like she 424 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: is not interested in any relationship with what is his 425 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: name Riley again Michael, Yeah, that's the. 426 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: That's Penny's old man in Sally's new man. 427 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: So like, it seems like OPI doesn't want a relationship 428 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: with Michael at all, right, which understandable. And also I 429 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: think is not interested in seeing him change and potentially 430 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: for the better, which is which is understandable too. So like, 431 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: I would love to know what you guys think. Do 432 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: you think OPI holding steadfast even in the case of 433 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: this marriage that they are kind of on the outside 434 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: of the family looking in. Do you think that's a 435 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: good decision? I would love to know your thoughts in 436 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: the comments. But John, what do you think. 437 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, I think I think the most 438 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: important thing is it seems that op is uh operating 439 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 2: in the functional way where it's like she probably has 440 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: to have some sort of interactions with Sally, she keeps 441 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: a cordial there. She tries to interact with Michael as 442 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: little as humanly possible, So I think I think that's 443 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: at least a decent way to go about it. 444 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: As for like how she feels. 445 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: Of kind of like continuing to be basically has the 446 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: wall up and is kind of like a kind of 447 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: like abandon abandoned hope. I mean, I think, again, everything 448 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: changes if a child's introduced, but I think that especially 449 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: after just two years, the skepticism is still deserved. Yeah, 450 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: and you know, especially with Michael. But I think if 451 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: she left like a little door open for improvement, that'd 452 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: be good. But ultimately the kicker is the damage can 453 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: kind of. 454 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: Never be repaired. Yeah, that's the problem. 455 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: I feel like, I feel like, even in a couple, 456 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: which obviously this is terrible, someone could cheat once and 457 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: never cheat for another fifty years of marriage, and it's like, Okay, 458 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: you've prepared the trust. You know, at the end of 459 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: a fifty year marriage, if you did that, but like 460 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 2: you still like stole your sister's love. Yeah, like that 461 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: will never be undone even if they did weren't ended 462 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: up together. 463 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: So question now for you, Yes, if you had two 464 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: daughters of your own, God, yep, and you're in the 465 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: situation of op yeah, would you kind of cut one 466 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: of those daughters off? 467 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: So we've we've had this scenario come up many times 468 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: on the show where it's like, would you cut off 469 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: your own child? I'm a big softie in all honesty, 470 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: and I feel like I would have a really really 471 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: hard time. 472 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: Cutting out my own child from my life. I think 473 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: so too. I would struggle with that tremendously. I mean 474 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: I've heard of like like parents being like, yeah, if 475 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: my kid killed someone. I mean, like that happens all 476 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: the time, Like kids kill people and then their parents 477 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: are like still visiting them in jail because they still rock, 478 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: you know. So I think I would be in the 479 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: same in the same boat. But what would you do? 480 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: So if you're if your kid stole your other kid's 481 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: significant other, what would you do? 482 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: What do you do? 483 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: Would you cut the the cheeter off? And also if 484 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: your kid killed your other kid? 485 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: God, I'm not gonna still draw the line. 486 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: I draw the line there, know you think, but should 487 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: we get into okay, story time, let's do it. John, 488 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: Do you want to tell me your tragic story about 489 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: how your dad destroyed the magic of Christmas? 490 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: Maybe this is a glass shattering moment because I I 491 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: low key just assumed everyone had this experience mostly but 492 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: for the most part. So when I was in I 493 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: was in fourth grade. My sister though, was in second grade, 494 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: right or was it in fourth or fifth like something 495 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: like that, right at the same time. Yes, so guys, 496 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: is this could you guys tell me this is. 497 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: Like not normal where it's like do you reach the 498 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: shirtin age? 499 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: So anyway, so we're like driving in the car, right 500 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: and who knows how this got started, but I can 501 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: also remember it like it's happening right now. 502 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: Does your whole world was shattered? 503 00:24:59,359 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 5: He is? 504 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 2: He He was like, uh, we had like big red 505 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: you know Ford ex floor drive around and then he's like, yeah, 506 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: you know, you know how there's like different fun things 507 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: that are like fun and like pretend and it's like 508 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: such such a fun time. Well you know, uh, Santa, 509 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: you know it's a great thing. 510 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: It like brings happiness. 511 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 3: And Christmas cheer to boys and girls. 512 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 2: I was like, it's a fucking live but like there 513 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: isn't a literal like Santa Claus or something something like that. 514 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: And so I said to him, I think it might 515 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 2: have been on the way home from church. Uh, And 516 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: I think I said to him, but I was like. 517 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 3: But but Dad, so so Santa. 518 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: I can't see Santa and he's not real and I 519 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: can't I can't see God. 520 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: What about him? 521 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: God? 522 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: I literally I think I threw him for the craziest 523 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: loop he just was not prepared for at all. And 524 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: then my sister, like, to my memory, my sister was like, Okay, 525 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 2: just like Super chill, just like Super. I could be 526 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: misremembering that, but what I then remember is she then 527 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: went to school and started telling everyone in her class like, oh, 528 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: did you know that Santa's actually not real? So like 529 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: she got in trouble because like kids, parents were like 530 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: some rascals running around telling our children that Santa isn't 531 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: real in like first or second grade, Like. 532 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: Dude, that's rough. Yeah, fourth grade, I still believed in Santa. 533 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: I think in fourth grade. 534 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: I was still rock. 535 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: I had I had one my best friend Joseph who 536 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: was literally putting reindeer food in a bowl in sixth grade, 537 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: I was like. 538 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: Homie, dude, my dad would eat the carrots and he 539 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: would like jump on the roof and yeah, and like 540 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, that's Santa. And then he would 541 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: ring the you would ring the Santa bells. And my 542 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: sister I think she pretended that she believed until she 543 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: was like fifteen. I think at least at least pretended. 544 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if she legitimately believe, but yeah, yeah, 545 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: it pretended at least until he was like fifteen. 546 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: Wow. 547 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is age? What is the age? I don't 548 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: think you ever tell your kid. I think you try 549 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: to preserve like the magic of Christmas forever. 550 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: But what is the age that you think is like 551 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 2: a reasonable age to like to know to figure it 552 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 2: out even if you're not told. 553 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: Probably like sixth grade. 554 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, sixth feels and developmentary school. Honestly, it's like the perfect. 555 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if any kids, because like we didn't have 556 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: like the Internet in the same way, I wonder if 557 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: any kids like believe in Santa anymore? 558 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: Well, I mean they still have like this, I'm really 559 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: going to date myself I guess, but like my parents 560 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: will be playing like good Morning America and they like 561 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: just got word from the North Pole like that, and 562 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: they'd be like, see you look, Santa's on the news 563 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 2: or like whatever. 564 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: I mean, they still got to have that, right, like. 565 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: Coco mail and then do they got Cocoa mail and 566 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: like Santa reporting it? 567 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 5: Yeah? 568 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 6: But like for the for Internet, I wonder if like 569 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 6: for you know, parent you know that parent mode, safe mode, 570 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 6: if like looking up is Santa real. 571 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 5: Like is blocked? 572 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: You know what? You know. The other thing I thought 573 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: was it would be hilarious. 574 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: What if there's like a whole section of like kids 575 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: Internet where there's like like the True Six Suposers and 576 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: there's like Andrew Taylor be. 577 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: Like listen up real time, just don't believe in Santa 578 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 4: Claus because that's for me and we're toddlers. 579 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: I remember in fourth grade, like there was some kid 580 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: that was like I don't believe in Santa or whatever, 581 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: and then this other kid was like, what do you 582 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: have to say about this? And from the Scholastic book 583 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: fair it was an autobiography. I don't I remember it. 584 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: It was either an autobiography or biography, and I remember 585 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: being like, oh shit, like Santa has like an autobiography, 586 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: and so I like read it and I'm like, oh damn, 587 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, this confirmed I believe in Santa Claus. 588 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 5: Dude, he is a sucker for autobiography. 589 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: I just finished. They're very convincing, the very they are. Yeah, 590 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: but I do have my own. Okay, story time, Okay, 591 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: let's get into it. Oh yeah, so about family drama. Yes, 592 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: So our friend, mutual friend Jack Gordon watches videos, he's great, 593 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: invited me to this thing like YouTube prom where it 594 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: was like, you take a bunch of people. I am 595 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: recently single, and well, I guess not that recently anymore. 596 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm I recently single. And I was like supposed to 597 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: take a date and my cousin was in town. She's 598 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: from Arizona. So I took my cousin and I didn't 599 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: take and like, like I only could invite one people, 600 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: like one person as my plus one. Yeah, and so 601 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't invite more people. But apparently it got through 602 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: the like the family grape vine, we were that I 603 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: intentionally excluded all my other cousins. I have like fifty cousins. 604 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: And then we met up at a dinner that was 605 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be only like the the main family like that, 606 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: like all the my my aunts and uncles, all my 607 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: aunts and uncles and me and my other cousin were there. 608 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: And then one of my aunts was like, they're there. 609 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: There's blackmail in the family, and she's texting my other 610 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: cousins saying like they're intentionally excluding you. You need to 611 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: glue them. And it's caused this massive family drama to 612 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: the point that we changed our Thanksgiving plans because that 613 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: that that that that aunt was so mad. 614 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: What does your mom think about this? 615 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: She thinks it's a bs T. She think it's a 616 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit. Yeah, yeah, dude, So yeah, the drama 617 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: is happening dramas. It was so dumb. 618 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: That's crazy, And like like how how did you you 619 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: obviously said like there's only one plus one? 620 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: Do you think they don't believe me? I don't know. 621 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: Well I think they there's a liar. I don't know. 622 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean, so, I think the big issue was there 623 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: was this like aunts and uncle's dinner, so my grandparents 624 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: and like the core ten children and we weren't supposed 625 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: to be there, but I was picking up Alex from 626 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: I was picking up my cousin from there to take 627 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: her to YouTube prom and then my aunt was saw 628 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: us to there, and then she's like, why I wasn't 629 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: he Why wasn't my son invited? 630 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 3: And uh was super. 631 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 1: Pissed and felt like, oh, he's being excluded even though 632 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: we're there for like fifteen minutes before we left. She 633 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: just a whole big ordeal. And then apparently at the 634 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: dinner she started just like fucking dreaming everyone and she's 635 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: like like like just like like cursing at people around 636 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: the table. Yeah, it's kind of nuts. 637 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 3: Wow. 638 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, wait, was this on your mom or dad's side 639 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 5: that said. 640 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 3: You know what's for sure? 641 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: This segment is definitely gonna help what oh the situation? Yeah, bro, 642 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: I hope not. I hope not. 643 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: Sam is so funny. 644 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: He's like, we have a podcast with hundreds of thousands 645 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,719 Speaker 2: of people. He's like, no one's gonna watch this. I'm like, no, 646 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of people watch it. No one that 647 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: I know is going to watch it. 648 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 1: You never know, dude, I don't think anyone I know, 649 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: Like I still until we get like to even if 650 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: we had ten million listeners per episode it's true. I 651 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: would just expect none of my family to listen to it. 652 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: It's true, unless until they start saying, hey, I was 653 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: listening to your podcast, yeah, and you said this. Then 654 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: I'll be like, okay, I'll scale it down. 655 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 3: What if they're listening but not telling you to the. 656 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: Continue so I've said so much shit they would definitely 657 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: say something or or are they like. 658 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 2: Guys, let's keep it under wrap so he can we 659 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: can get more juice out of them. 660 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that since conspiracy put 661 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: on your tinfoil hat. But with that, do you have 662 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: a story for me, Johnny boy? 663 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: I do