1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Dan Hansis alongside Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: and the Boss Greg Rosenthal. Where they around the NFL 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: podcast Check us out three times a week as we 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: discussed the latest NFL news as it happened, always of 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: course with a touch of mirth. Subscribe at NFL dot com, 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts, iTunes and Stitcher. And now Move the Sticks 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everybody, DJ? 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Bucky here, Moved the Sticks and Buck, We've got a 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: fun episode today because we're gonna kind of split it 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: up here. We're gonna preview the combine a little bit, 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: just the offense, right, we'll get the defense a little 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: bit later on in the week. Preview the combine, and 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: then we're gonna roll a conversation that we had recently 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: with a really, really interesting guy. And I'm gonna say 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: that the named Bob Waker. I don't think most people 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: are gonna be familiar with that name. Tell tell everybody 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: who we're talking to him, what this guy knows. Oh, 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: we're talking to Miles Garius high school football coach. And um, 19 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: whenever you're scouting, you're beginning to do the background in 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: the research, you go all the way back to high 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: school because you're really trying to complete the profile. And 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: sometimes you can get a nugget two from the high 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: school coach that you don't get from the college coach. 24 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: But it can be the difference in the determining fact 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: and whether you believe this guy can be a special 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: player at the next level. Yeah, so he's gonna be 27 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: a interesting conversation for us. But before we get to him, 28 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: what are you looking forward to the most? And we 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: just look at these offensive guys at the combine um 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: and kind of look at how you see this group 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: in this draft. We're looking forward to the most. You know, 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: obviously everyone loves to track me. You like seeing these 33 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: guys run around. You like seeing the skill guys run 34 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: the forty. But for me, I want to see the 35 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: quarterbacks throw because I want to see um the armed 36 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: talent differential between Kaiser Trabisky and Watson Uh any of 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: the other guys that may emerge from kind of like 38 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: that next here, I want to see the running backs 39 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: move around together because I'm still fascinated by Leonard Fournette. 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: I know he's a special talent. This kind of want 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: to see him move in comparison to Dalvin, couldn't see 42 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: if there's a noticeable difference between the two. And then 43 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: with the wide receivers, I know Corey Davis isn't going 44 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Mike when you want to 45 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: see how fast he runs, because that's the conversation that 46 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: you're hearing. Is he fast enough? Kenn he be that guy? 47 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: Then don't want to see if John Ross he's gonna roll. 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: Blaze is a track. Yeah, John Ross is going to roll. 49 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: So when I when I look at that receiver group, bumdy. 50 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I know Corey Davis, but uh, we're gonna see a 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: good group of wide receivers. They're a couple of guys, 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: give a couple of guys, keep an eye on. But 53 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm curious about Cooper Cup. What's he gonna run from 54 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: eastern Washington? Um, you want to go over under on that? 55 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: Just kind of what you think? What a thinking? I'm thinking, 56 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking four for three? Yeah, you know, I'm I 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: hear things on both sides. I've heard people say that 58 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: he's he's not gonna he's not gonna run great, and 59 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: I've heard other people say, you'll be pleasantly surprised. So 60 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: when I extract like that information, I'm gonna go four 61 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: or five. Five For Cooper Cup, I thought he I 62 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: estimated when I watched him, I thought he was a 63 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: little bit faster than I thought four, four or five. 64 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: But from everything I'm here, and maybe that was a 65 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: little bit ambitious. Chat Hanson from cal he can roll. 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: Now I just got done. Look again at Davis Webb. 67 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I watched two additional games. I watched him against uh 68 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: not against Utah, a really good game from him. I 69 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: watched him against Oregon. We have five touchdowns. But man, 70 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Hanson is a guy you can go get it. He 71 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: can get And I'm gonna say this about this is 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: why I receive your class, because I don't think it's 73 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: like toploaded, like heavy at the top, but I believe 74 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: that's second the third round area. There are a lot 75 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: of intrigues Za Jones, Cooper Cup, of dudes. You know 76 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: the manic dupries Ford is a really good player. You 77 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: talk about the Ford. I like Dede Westbrood, like Jui Smith, 78 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Schuster is gonna go somewhere in there. There are a 79 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: lot of guys that can go and health teams and 80 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: because there's so many of some of those guys are 81 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: gonna fall to Day three, but we're gonna look back 82 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: in a year. So I'd be like, man, I just 83 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: guy get to the fourth round just because I think 84 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: it's that deep um at the position. There's also a 85 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: guy that's hanging out there that no one has really 86 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: talked about. But Katie Cannon from Baylor, who was a 87 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: speaster who he can pop the top off the defense. 88 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: He may be a guy that we end up talking 89 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: about coming out of the combat. Yeah, we've got a 90 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: good group there to keep an eye on. Um. Going 91 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: back to the running back position. I wrote about this 92 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: last week in the in the notebook, buck Um. Everybody thought, 93 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: once Ezekie Elliott did what he did right, how many 94 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: times have you heard well throw out the running backs 95 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: are devalued thing because they took They took Ezeko at 96 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: the top five, and you led the league in rushing, 97 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: so forget you can take running backs high again. But 98 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: when I bring that up with teams, they bring up 99 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: another name and they say, okay, well who is second 100 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: in the league and rushing. I go with Jordan hunt Pick. 101 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: So they're saying you're not you know, you go ahead 102 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: and let the other teams debate whether Dalvin Cook or 103 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Leonard four Nett is the next Ezekiel. We're gonna spend 104 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: our time trying to find the next Jordan Howard. I 105 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: think this year the depth at running back allows you 106 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: to do that because they're a bunch of names under 107 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: the radar that people aren't talking about, that you kind 108 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: of forget about. But those are the guys that will 109 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: be the second, third, maybe even fourth round picks that 110 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: can emerge and be big time players. You talk about 111 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: Jordan Howard being a fifth round guy. I believe the 112 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: sweet spot for running backs has always been of late 113 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: the second in the third round, when you go back 114 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: and looks Jamal Charles, Frank Gore. All of those guys 115 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: kind of come in that range. And so if you're 116 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: do you understand exactly what you looking for the running 117 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: back position and how you want that position to be 118 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: utilized and how it fits within your scheme, you can 119 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: find guys. You can target a couple of guys and say, 120 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: any of these three guys we talked about the cluster buster, 121 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: We'll take any of these three guys if they're available 122 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: in the second round. So let's go to the Super Bowl. 123 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: Real quick, right, Atlanta and New England. One right when 124 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: we run through these real quick. Davante Freeman fourth round, 125 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman third round, uh La, Garrett Blunt undrafted, James 126 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: White fourth round, Dion Lewis fifth round. Those are the 127 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: running backs from the Super Bowl, Super Bowl. I mean 128 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: so when I when I look at this group now 129 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: at the combine here, let me give you some names 130 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on it. So if you're watching 131 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: this from home, and be sure that you are on 132 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: Bucky you got us covered like round the clock on 133 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: uh you know on is that gonna be? It's on NFL, 134 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: It's obviously the NFL dot com. Is it on the 135 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: app too? I think it's on the app as well? 136 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: The top fives? No, no, when when the combat for 137 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: our combine come? Oh my god, Yeah, we got it. 138 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: We got that. But what we're gonna do it? What's 139 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: really cool about it? This year We're gonna take more 140 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: of the network feed, uh so to be less of 141 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: money and I will come in on segments. Lands Darling 142 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: is also with us. Colleen u I and m J 143 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: D will also be on the coverage. So we have 144 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: everyone in the mix, we'll have these segments, we have 145 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: the pro comparisons, the report cards and all this stuff. 146 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: Un c D will be doing your thing on the network, 147 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: so we'll kind of get all of that coverage. And 148 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: so it's great to be able to talk about these 149 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: guys the forecast and project after we get the hard 150 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: empirical data. So here here are some guys that you 151 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: pay attention to when you're on on our coverage. Here 152 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: Jeremy McNichols from Boise State. I like a lot. Uh, 153 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: Dante Foreman, people have talked about where is he gonna go? Okay, 154 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: He's an interesting one to keep an eye on. We 155 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: all we know about the big top guys. Um Kareem 156 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: Hunt from Toledo, nice player, I love him. Marlon Mac 157 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: from South Florida, love him. Jamal Williams who we've had 158 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: a video with. We interviewed him on the podcast last week, 159 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: so you can check that out. He's a real intriguing guy. 160 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: We've talked about Matt Days from NC State Bucky. Uh. 161 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: This is one of the more intriguing names and stories 162 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: in the whole draft. Is James Conner from pitt who 163 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: who has battled through cancer, came out the other side 164 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: of it, had a great year this year. I mean, 165 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: he runs hard, he can catch the ball. My question 166 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: is Kenny really does he have any juice? So the 167 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: forty for James Conner, he might have more writing on 168 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the forty than any other players of these other guys 169 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: because I had a chance to look at him, I 170 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: was studying Neede Peterman. Obviously when you look at him, 171 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: you have to see James Connor. James Conner running the ball, 172 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: rugged runner. He was a guy who has had a 173 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: lot of production throughout his career battleback from the cancer. 174 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: As you talked about, he's intriguing. A lot would depend 175 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: on his forty time. But they're a ton of running 176 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: backs in this draft. And if you're a team, as 177 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: we were beginning to flip the roster, and we're looking 178 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: for those guys and maybe you can find the workhorse. 179 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: But as you pointed to at the beginning of this segment, 180 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: people are talking about Ezekiel Elliott, but more of the 181 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: scouts or talking about Jordan Howard, And how can you 182 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: find that under the radar that value pick second, third, 183 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: fourth round, some even in the fifth round. We're gonna 184 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: find some of these guys that emerge and end up 185 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: being really really good players, even Rob Kelly from Washington 186 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: who was an undrafted free agent who came and had 187 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot of success last year, no question. And how 188 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: about this, I can't remember a year. Last year? Right, 189 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: we had the Golf Wentz debate that never ended. Right, 190 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: we go back and forth, everybody, you pick one of 191 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: those two guys. But I don't remember. Do you remember 192 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: last year anybody's saying other, anybody other than those two 193 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: guys as the top quarterback in the draft? No, I 194 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: don't remember. I mean, obviously Dak Prescott's going on and had, 195 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, arguably been the best of the whole bunch. 196 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: But I don't remember during the run up to the draft, 197 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: talking to teams or anybody there was it was either 198 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: golf or wins this year, Buck, I talked to teams. 199 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: There's five different quarterbacks that are number one on a 200 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: board somewhere. Okay, you've got Kaiser for some people, You've 201 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: got Deshaun Watson for some people. You've got Mitch u 202 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Bisky for some people, Pat Mahomes, who's getting a lot 203 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: of support with the people I talked to. And then 204 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: you also have the Davis web crowd. So there's five 205 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: different guys vaying, you know, to be the number one 206 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: spot for certain teams. I don't remember a year where 207 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: we've had that much a lack of clarity. I guess 208 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: I should say yeah. I mean, it is a very 209 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: muddy picture, and hopefully the comment will bring a little 210 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: clarity to the situation. The three guys that we've talked 211 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: about at nauseum to this point have been Kaiser, Trabiski, 212 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: and Wasson. But two guys that are in the conversation 213 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: David's Webb and Pat Mahomes, And looking at those guys 214 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: more recently, David's Webb to me is really intriguing because, um, look, 215 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: he comes about the air raid system. You can hear 216 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: all the stuff about the air rate, but I think 217 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: his game is a little different than most of more 218 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: structured because even watching how he uses his eyes and 219 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: how he kind of um distributed the ball to a 220 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: variety of playmakers um at Kale, I believe he's a 221 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: guy that would be a nice fit in the West 222 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: Coast offense. And when I was going through my notes 223 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: and I was doing the evaluation, I kind of pointed 224 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: out and when I say the name, people can be like, 225 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: oh what, He's not had a good career, But he 226 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little bit of Sam Braffitt 227 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: in terms of in the right system with the right players. 228 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: He's a guy that can deal and his arm telling. 229 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: I love the way he throws the deep ball, particularly 230 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: the go route down the boundary, does a great job 231 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: of dropping it in. He can work the intermediate areas 232 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: of coverage. He has the ability to change pace and trajectory. 233 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: He's someone that's fascinating to me as a potential quarterback 234 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: that you can take, maybe in the second I think 235 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: he has to go no, Lady in the second round. 236 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: And maybe he's one of those under the radar guys 237 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: that plays a lot better than his draft status coming in. 238 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: So we're previewing the combine here. Last week I did 239 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: a uh My ask five question Bucky was which player 240 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: will generate the most buzz coming out of Indie. Now? 241 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: I usually to get five answers, I usually send a 242 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: text out to eight nine guys, but and just to 243 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: hope you get five back and then you roll write 244 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: the article and go. So every now and then I 245 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: have a couple answers trickle in after I've already put 246 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: the article in right. So one of the ones that 247 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: didn't make the peace was I got a response from 248 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: an NFL team executive that said, I think this will 249 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: be the Dave this web kickoff party and pushed to 250 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: be the first QB taken. How about that? Now, a 251 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: couple of things. Because I saw that article in the fall, 252 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: I wrote David's Webb blurb saying that if you're looking 253 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: for the next Dak Prescott, I believe David's Webb could 254 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: be that guy. I think he's a fourth or fifth 255 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: year player. He was a graduate transfer, went to cal 256 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: He has thrown the ball a lot during his time 257 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: in college. Spent two years two plus years in the 258 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: start of Texas Tech, didn't work out, painghomes emerges, you know, superstar, 259 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: So then he goes to call and then one year 260 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: comes in as the leader, throws the ball around the yard. 261 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: You see him, even though it's the same system, is 262 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: still a little different. Um comes in quickly grasp it. 263 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: I like the way he takes here of the ball. 264 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: I like the way it strips the ball. See him 265 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: at the senior ball. I thought his talent kind of 266 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: popped on the field when we're there and watching and 267 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: watching him spending the way he's picking get up. I 268 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: believe someone can see him and say, you know what, 269 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: we're going to conservatively make this guy quarterback. We can 270 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: take him in the second round, we can find a 271 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: way to build a pieces of round him, or maybe 272 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: we ever had the pieces in place, and maybe he's 273 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: the guy that emerges as a starting quarterback has a 274 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: lot of success. Yeah, it's gonna be fun to watch 275 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: those guys get out there and spend the ball around 276 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: the tight end position. Bucky is one of the best 277 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: groups of tight ends we've seen in a long time. 278 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: I've got two guys I think are slam dunk first 279 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: round picks when you look at O. J. Howard from Alabama, 280 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: David and Joeku from Miami, and then after that, I 281 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: think he gets kind of interesting here at the combine. 282 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: We've talked before about Gerald Everett uh from South Alabama, 283 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: who to me was shocking that he showed up in 284 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: seven pounds in the in the in the Senior Bowl, 285 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: so hopefully he's put some weight back on. He's an 286 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: interesting one. Then Evan Ingram, who I think is gonna 287 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: run really really fast from old miss. Those guys are 288 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: like your classic move tight ends. We compare him to 289 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: Jordan reed Um. But to me, maybe the most intriguing 290 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: guy in the entire combine. And I've been sending out 291 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: it's videos and pushing him hard. Ashland tight end Adam 292 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Shem who they list at the school at six ft six, 293 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy seven pounds. Now, I've been told 294 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: by guys that have rolled through there that he is 295 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: a legit to seventy plus, Like that's not that's not 296 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: some phony number. And in a media guide we'll see 297 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: how Tally is. I'm guessing he's probably gonna be six 298 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: five um. But watching him on tape, the combination of 299 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: size and speed and really come some settling, some quickness 300 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: at the top of his route that I was not expecting. Um, 301 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: this guy entered into college is two hundred five pounds. 302 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: He's exiting, he's leaving early. By the way he's coming 303 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: out early, two seventy plus, and the way he moves 304 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: and what he does, and you sit there and go, Okay, 305 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: I see where he is now, and I can project 306 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: when we get him with the NFL program, where he 307 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: can go so here, well here, hear me out, hear 308 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: me out. So I said, I think that he's got 309 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: a real shot to be the third tight end taken. 310 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: And I've had some people say amen, and I've had 311 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: a couple of people say stuff that I'm not to say. So, 312 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: but here, here's my here's my thing. I love Ingram, 313 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: I love Everett. Their move guys. It's a lot harder 314 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: to find guys with this size combination. I can find 315 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: the undersized guys. I feel like on a yearly basis. 316 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: The way the college game is cranking him out finding 317 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: six ft six two sixty plus tight ends, those aren't 318 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: easy to find anymore. They aren't easy to find. And 319 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: and I understand it, and I understand if it's only 320 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: there's a butt coming here, I feel a butt coming. 321 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: It's hard for me. It's just horror for me right now, 322 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: until I really can dig into him. To think that 323 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: the Ashland tighty and could be a first round possibility. 324 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: Now that was my I mean, I know you were 325 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: selling you're selling it. I'm not saying that's gonna happen. 326 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: I will say this, you're being provocative. He will not 327 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: get out of the second round, assuming he doesn't just 328 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: completely fall on his face at the combine. If he has, 329 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: if he does it the combine, what I expect him 330 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: to do at the combine, he will not get out 331 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: of the second round high wait speed certainly. Uh. Large frame. Uh. 332 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: I can give you a similar story. I went to 333 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Western origon Kevin Boss. I remember him, I did. I 334 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: went there too, Kevin Boss coming out. I can't remember 335 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: when the giants took him, but he was a guy 336 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: who had similar they had a guy was him, and 337 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: then there was a tight end it like Whitworth that year. 338 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: Who is that? I can't remember. I remember going that 339 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: For some reason, the Pacific Northwest had all these small 340 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: school tight ends. Now I've been, I've been everywhere all over. 341 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: But then I do remember Kevin Kevin Boss been again. 342 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: I cannot remember what round the giants took him, but 343 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: he was a guy that a similar frame. Was a 344 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: big body guy to the tight end position. And you 345 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: do point out a great I think six six two 346 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: seventy pounds the tight end position. We've seen these guys 347 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of become quasi wide receivers. But to find a 348 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: true classic tight end, a traditional y tight end is 349 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: something that is hard to find. Where a guy can 350 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: run routes, catch the ball, do those things, but also 351 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: block on the edge. There's some value to that. So 352 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: if he does enough to intrigue some guys to get 353 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of people to go to his pro day 354 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: down the road, maybe maybe I've got you from I've 355 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: got you from note to maybe I feel I feel 356 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: the progress right there. That's maybe um offensive line wise, buck. 357 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a it's a great group, but 358 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: there are some tackles I'm interested in watching here. Garrett 359 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: Bowls from Utah for me, watched him against U C. 360 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: L A. He kills people many. He He's someone that 361 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: I may have underrated, undervalued in terms of we always 362 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: talked about there's not a franchise offensive tackle, and I 363 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: don't want to go crazy on him, but when I 364 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: look at his athleticism, his movement skills, how smooth and 365 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: fluid he is when it comes to pass protection, how 366 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: easy he moves and climbs to the next level, I 367 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: think you can begin to make the case that I 368 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see him as a top fIF team. Dude. Yeah, 369 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm I will admit having gone back and watched other 370 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: dudes against him. I was like, all right, I have 371 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: him as my twenty eighth player. I'm too low, so 372 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: I need to do I'm gonna do an update. Don't 373 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: tell the boss is this yet, because you don't. I 374 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: don't like volunteering for work, but I'm not supposed to 375 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: do a top fifty update till after the combine. I 376 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna do one before because I don't want 377 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: to get label with Oh you just watch these guys 378 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: work out and move him up. But he's one that's 379 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: definitely on my list that I that I'm below on. 380 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: I need to move him up. We got Ryan Ramsick 381 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: from from Wisconsin, who will be interesting to watch him 382 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: for Slamp from Western Kentucky who played tackle. I think 383 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna play inside either guard or center. Um, those 384 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: are kind of that top group. And then you also 385 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: got Cam Robinson. Okay, so I've talked to some folks 386 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: that said, you guys are way low on Cam Robinson, 387 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: He's gonna go way way up there. You're talking to the 388 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: the same folks. I'm talking to the same folks. So 389 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: then I followed up and what I wanted to do. 390 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: I said Okay, Alabama. The good thing about Alabama, they 391 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: play all that pretty good defensive And so I watched 392 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: him played back to back games. I watched him against 393 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett did I watched him against Derek Bournett. He 394 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: did a really good job against Miles Garrett, like did 395 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: a really good job of holding his own still in 396 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: the edge. Some of the things that I worried about 397 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: was his athleticism against speed didn't really show up in 398 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: that game much. Did a good job in the run 399 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: game of kind of owning the line of scrimmage and 400 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: kind of moving people off the ball against Derrick Barton. 401 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: It actually kind of made me look at Derk Burnett 402 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: a little differently because Derry Burnette kind of whizzed around 403 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: the corner, had a little more snap to him than 404 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: I kind of remember from early my early tape watching. 405 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: And he did a solid job. And so and Cam Robinson. 406 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: I believe Cam Robinson has to play on the right side, 407 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: but he's a people mover. He's physical, he can move 408 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: people off the ball. I do believe that, maybe because 409 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: we had heard so much about him prior to the 410 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: season about being kind of like that that dude that 411 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: expectations and the ball were said so high that you 412 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: come away a little disappointed. But I may be a 413 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: little too low on him in terms of where I 414 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: have him ranked, and I kind of have him sitting 415 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: on my board. Yeah, I'll be interesting to see, um 416 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: where he ends up. Um, well, I'm just looking the 417 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: one game that I struggle with him, Old Miss this year. 418 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: He's on the ground up bunch. I hadn't seen. I 419 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: didn't overextended. I thought he had stiff. Uh. That was 420 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: my That was a game that I that I struggled 421 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: with from this year was the Old Miss game. I 422 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: thought he did do an admirable job against uh, against 423 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett. But I also thought they gave him a 424 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: little bit of help and they went away from him. 425 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: Um too and uh. But anyways, No, he's he's one 426 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: that I'm okay, Like, I've got him as my fortieth guy. 427 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: I readily admit he's gonna be long gone before then. Um, 428 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: but you know, I'll watch a little bit more. He 429 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: can move up a little bit. I just there's some 430 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: some issues I have with him that are not like 431 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: like i'm i'm I'm I'm looking at my notes some 432 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: of the issues that won't change balance and body control. 433 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: I felt like he played top heavy like it felt 434 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: like he tipped over and talked about it around. I 435 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: thought he was inconsistent with his ability to finish um. 436 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: For a guy that is big six six twenty six pounds, 437 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: you kind of want to see the nasty consistently. I 438 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: didn't see that. I did see a move people I 439 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: thought he was kind of wrote him as a Mala 440 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: Browler type. He just kind of almost beat you up 441 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: in the phone move move you um not a great 442 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: space player, those things I wrote down. I felt like 443 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: he was a right tackle and I wrote in my 444 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: nose that against tennessee number nine Dick Whennett wins with 445 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: speed and quickness, and I think that is the biggest 446 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: issue for him. He's a little uh slow footing when 447 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: it comes to kicking and slide and being able to 448 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: deal with some of those guys, and so you have 449 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: to have a plan. And with more teams putting that 450 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: stood um and left defensive in he's gonna face to 451 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: killil Max Devon Miller isn't those guys. So you can't 452 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: necessarily hide him like you could in yesteryear. You gotta 453 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: be able to hold up. All right, those your little 454 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: bit of a preview there. What to look for some 455 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: guys to watch in Indianapolis as we crank up the 456 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: combine here. I hope you enjoyed that, and I think 457 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy this just talking about Myles Garrett. Speaking 458 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: of him, Bucky, Let's let's let's roll our interview with 459 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: his high school football coach, UH coach, Bob Wager. Coach, 460 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, gentlemen, it's my pleasure. Thanks for 461 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: having me on. I appreciate you taking some time for 462 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: us here. How about the first time that you you 463 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: heard of Miles Garrett before you get a chance to 464 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: coach and what how did you find out about him? Well, 465 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: it really started back in elementary school. Miles older sister 466 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: Bria with It was a terrific athlete here. She won 467 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: the five A, which is the largest classification in Texas 468 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: state track me she won the hundred meter hurdles and 469 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: the shot put and if that's that's a very rare combination, 470 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: obviously for for somebody to be dominant in both of 471 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: those sports. She was a junior senior at the time. 472 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: Miles was just entering into the seventh grade and and 473 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: obviously as a as a football coach, to know that 474 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: that was coming was very exciting. So I made sure 475 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: to make friends with the Garrett Fairman very quickly. You know, 476 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of funny, coach, So you 477 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: get him in as a young player. What were your 478 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: first impressions of Miles when you had a chance to 479 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: work with him? Well, first of all, he's a delightful 480 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: human being, which I think has been shown throughout the 481 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: course of his three years of Texas A and M 482 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: But you know, before he was um, you know, before 483 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: he was on that big platform, he was the exact 484 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: same human being here and so that's the first impression 485 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: is just a delightful young man, pleasure to coach. But 486 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: then as he started to grow and infuse his work 487 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: ethic into his athleticism, that's when you could start to 488 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: to see the potential and the and the possibility of 489 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: his greatness to shape. How did you how did you 490 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: incorporate him on the team coach when he first got 491 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: started there? What are the positions he played throughout his career, 492 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. What what did you do 493 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: with him? He did? We and we try to move 494 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: him around. I'd rather be wrong early than I would 495 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: late in regards to the placement the role on the team. Uh. 496 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: He certainly played multiple roles on special teams. Played a 497 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: little bit of tight end and fullback for us, and 498 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: then played every position on the defensive line. You know, coach, 499 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: when you have a special player like that and you 500 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: know he's the best player from a talent perspective, What 501 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: was he like as a leader? You talked about his 502 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: work ethic. How did his teammates gravitate towards him? It 503 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: really evolved over the course of his time here. Miles 504 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: is not a just by nature a really outspoken player. Uh. 505 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: He led in great part by example, especially in the 506 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: early years and as his work ethic developed. When your 507 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: very best players, um are also your most coachable and 508 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: hardest working players, that's when you have an opportunity to 509 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: to build something as a team. And so it's arted 510 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: in that capacity just with his work ethic and his desire, 511 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: and obviously his high level of performance helps immensely as well. 512 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: But then over the course of his four years of 513 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: high school, he started to emerge as a more vocal leader. 514 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: He was a member of our leadership console, which is 515 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: the Uh. Really, it's the kids that are held in 516 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: the highest regard. They're voted on by their teammates. And 517 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: and I've watched his leadership develop and continue throughout his 518 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: time at Texas. At him coaches there a high school 519 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: game or maybe a play in particular, your favorite Miles 520 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: Garrett story. Boy, they're they're tough to you know, it's 521 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: difficult to pick, but I will tell you he he 522 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: had two really shining moments that I think back during 523 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: his senior year. The first was he blocked seven kicks 524 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: in the first seven weeks and that is um, you know, 525 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm not Unfortunately they don't keep records for that, but 526 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to think he's certainly in a very elite 527 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: category in that regard. And they also had eight and 528 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: a half sacks in one football game, and uh, and 529 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: that's think stat as well. You know, coach, one of 530 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: the things that we do as scals we always go 531 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: back to the high school coach and we're trying to 532 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: really dig up the background and see how the guy 533 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: will maybe change at the next level. So when you 534 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: think about all the things that you've know him from 535 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: Miles and watching him grow up. How do you think 536 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: you'll handle all of the stuff that comes with being 537 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: an NFL player, particularly one that could be the number 538 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: one overall pick. I think he takes it in stride 539 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: like he has every other step. You know, when when 540 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: you're sixteen years old and you're becoming a highly recruited player, 541 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: you get a lot of traffic through here and and 542 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: one of the things that Miles did was delay his 543 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: announcement uh and and in regards to where he wanted 544 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: to go to school to try to increase the traffic 545 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: flow for the other guys that are on the team. 546 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: And and that I think is a great example of 547 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: his unselfishness and how he puts the team first. And 548 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: I have every confidence that that will continue at the 549 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: next level as well. Coaches is highly touted as he was, 550 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: and the great career that he's had. Is there any 551 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: any experience you've had with him where you could show 552 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: us some adversity that maybe he faced during his time 553 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: in high school and how he was able to overcome that. Well, 554 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, Miles played with some really good players. Davante 555 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: Fields was a senior when when Miles was a sophomore, 556 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: there was a junior in that mix as well, Chris 557 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: Odam who's coming out of Arkansas State this year. And so, 558 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: first of all, he had to fight to compete just 559 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: to get on the field as a sophomore. And then 560 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: I think the other um, it was just because he 561 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: became so dominant throughout the course of his high school career, 562 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: we had to move him around. You know, he couldn't 563 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: just put him at left defensive end and and have 564 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: people equalize you by uh, much like what they tried 565 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: to do in college, you know, put two in three blockers. 566 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: So just from a football standpoint, uh, he was always 567 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: going to gather a lot of attention. He was a 568 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: constant disruption to even double and sometimes triple teams. And 569 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: I think as far as on the field, that was 570 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: the greatest adversity that he faced was that everybody wanted 571 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: to know where Myles Garrett was and everybody had a 572 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: land for it. You know, Coach, there's been a lot 573 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: made of uh kind of his off field exploys a 574 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: very interesting and unique personality. How was he in the 575 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: community away from football? How was he amongst kind of 576 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: the civilians? How did he get along? How do you 577 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: react with the rest of or engage with the rest 578 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: of the students on campus. Everybody loves Myles Garrett. And 579 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: and even today, Um, and if you popped up on 580 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: campus today, you might go in the weight room and 581 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: instead of lifting with uh, you know, our upcoming seniors, 582 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: he might be over there with a with the ninth 583 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: grade wide receiver. You know, he just has an ease 584 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: with people, and it comes from a genuine interest in people. 585 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: And so Uh. To label Myles Garrett is a great 586 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: football player is one thing, but he's so much more 587 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: than that. You know, he was just Um, he was 588 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: a joy to having class. Uh. The teachers loved him, 589 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: and he was one of those guys that it didn't 590 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: matter if it was the tuba player in the band 591 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: or the four kids that compose our science team. Uh, 592 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: he was friends with them all and and and had 593 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: just a genuine love for human beings that I think 594 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: makes them just a phenomenal teammate. Coaches, the last question 595 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: I've got for you here is, uh, how tough was 596 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: it to be a Scout team quarterback when you had 597 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: Davante Fields on one side of Miles Garrett on the other. 598 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: We had to draw straws. Nobody wanted the job. One 599 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: of our coaches had to take it more often than not. 600 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: And um, yeah, you put deep fields on one side, 601 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett on the other. You better be looking out 602 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: of both ear holes to to make sure you know 603 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: where those guys are. Yeah, there's not a bright enough 604 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: colored jersey put on back there. I don't care if 605 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: they think they're not supposed to make contact. I don't 606 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: trust it. I don't trust it. Coach. Hey, I appreciate 607 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: you taking time out of your schedule to tell us 608 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: about your your prize. Pupil here my pleasure. Guys, thank 609 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: you for the interest about what what a cool dude? Huh? 610 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean that's always fun when you can find out 611 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: the people that knew these guys before. I mean, I 612 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: know he was big time recruiting all that, but to me, 613 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: that was interesting just to learn about Miles Garrett. That 614 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: dude didn't seem like a big headed guy, that uh, 615 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: that put himself above everybody else. Seems like a man's man. 616 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: Seems like he gets along with everyone in the community. 617 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: And as you think about CULTU, you're being important in 618 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: the locker room. Who you're bringing in as a number 619 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: one overall pick Potentially he's going to be the guy 620 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: that they turn to and expect to be the leader. 621 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: It seems like he is well prepared to handle that responsibility. Yeah, 622 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: I think he's wired the right way. So I think 623 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: you're you're the Browns and you've had some misses in 624 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: the first round before. I don't know. This kid athletically 625 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: seems pretty safe to me, and I think personality wise, 626 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: the more we get to know the people that know him, 627 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: the more I'm convinced that this is This is not 628 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: a tough decision. Yeah, you have to bind to the person. 629 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: I believe his football character is outstanding. I think he's 630 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: a real character. His true character is also outstanding. When 631 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: you look at the tape, he kind of checks off 632 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: all the boxes. 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