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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, the so.

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Speaker 2: Called glam yoga teacher is in court the trial of

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Speaker 2: Kaylin Armstrong starting now, and I mean right now. Can

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Speaker 2: the yoga teacher now charged with murder of her love rival,

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Speaker 2: a world class, beautiful female biking star. But can Kaylen

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Speaker 2: Armstrong charm the jury the way she has charmed so

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Speaker 2: many others, including her own jailers. She tricked them into

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Speaker 2: taking her to a fake medical appointment, where she then escaped.

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Speaker 3: And it ain't the first time. Remember her hiding out.

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Speaker 2: In Costa Rica after she got in a makeover, including

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Speaker 2: a nose job, to somehow elude authorities.

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Speaker 3: Well, the US Marshals were onto that.

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Speaker 2: Finally in a court of law, and you know who's

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Speaker 2: getting lost in the sauce, Seemingly outshined.

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Speaker 3: By her glam moe.

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Speaker 2: Mariah, a young girl in her twenties, wants nothing more

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Speaker 2: than to ride her bike and get one trophy after

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Speaker 2: the next, after the next, after the next. Her parents

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Speaker 2: so proud this girl. Mariah Wilson, a world class dirt

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Speaker 2: bike champion, gunned down, chased through a house, cornered in

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Speaker 2: a bathroom, and shot multiple times. Why, According to prosecutors,

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Speaker 2: because she dared to have a meal with Kaitlin Armstrong's

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Speaker 2: cheating boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: I'm easy, Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and series six sem one eleven. Oh yes, there's twelve

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Speaker 2: in the box. That means the jury has been selected.

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you that at this very minute they

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Speaker 2: are eyeballing the so called glam yoga instructor Caitlin Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to this. Detective Richard Spiller, Austin p D.

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Speaker 4: On May eleventh, twenty twenty two, at approximately nine to

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Speaker 4: fifty six pm, Austin Police officers responded to a check

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Speaker 4: welfare urgent call at seventeen oh eight Maple Avenue in Austin.

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Speaker 4: Upon their arrival, they found the resident of seventeen oh

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Speaker 4: eight Maple Avenue performing CPR on a female. That female

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Speaker 4: was Anna Wilson. Despite the life saving efforts, Anna Wilson

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Speaker 4: was pronounced de cease at ten ten pm. The preliminary

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Speaker 4: investigation revealed that Anna Wilson, a cyclist, was visiting Austin

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Speaker 4: and staying with her friend on her way to the

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Speaker 4: Dallas area.

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Speaker 2: For a race, just simply minding her own business with

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Speaker 2: me joining us live from the courthouse. Tony Plohetski, investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter with the Austin American Statesman and kV UE.

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Speaker 3: Tony is great to be talking to you. Tell me

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Speaker 3: the scuttle button the courthouse.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 6: Opening statements, as you mentioned, begin any minute now, And Nancy,

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Speaker 6: the big question going into those opening statements is that

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Speaker 6: this could likely be the first time we hear any

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Speaker 6: kind of defense that is lodged by Caitlin Armstrong's defense attorneys.

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Speaker 6: What will they say, How will they defend her against

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Speaker 6: what police and prosecutors have described as this mountain of evidence.

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Speaker 6: So really, all ears and all eyes are going to

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Speaker 6: be on her voluminous, might I add defense team this morning?

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Speaker 2: You know, I've seen her and just recently, and she

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Speaker 2: does not look the same way she did at the time,

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Speaker 2: but she's still a beautiful woman. You know how hard

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Speaker 2: it is to get a conviction on a female in

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Speaker 2: this country, because when you see not me, but mini gars,

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Speaker 2: when they see a woman sitting at the council table

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Speaker 2: accused of the crime, they think, oh, she reminds me

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Speaker 2: of my mom.

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Speaker 3: My mom could never do anything like this.

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Speaker 2: So she reminds me of my little sister, or she

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Speaker 2: reminds me of my very first girlfriend in high school.

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Speaker 2: Alan Bennett joining me, a high profile lawyer now partner

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Speaker 2: at Gunter Bennett and Anthus.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Alan, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Right or wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's much harder to get a conviction, much less for

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Speaker 2: murder on a woman.

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Speaker 7: I think you're correct, miss Grace. In fact, I think

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Speaker 7: we have all been somewhat aware of that ever since

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Speaker 7: Lizzie Borden walked out of the courtroom a free woman

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Speaker 7: years and years ago.

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Speaker 3: That was before my time, I think.

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Speaker 7: But go ahead, mine too, but maybe not by a

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Speaker 2: Guys, he's talking about Lizzie Borden, took an ask, gave

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Speaker 2: her parents how many wax forty?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Jackie the legal scholar over here in the corner.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, but you know, the Lizzie Bourdon escaping

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Speaker 3: Why is it so hard to get a conviction on

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Speaker 3: a woman?

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Speaker 2: I've gotten them, don't worry about that, but it is harder.

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Speaker 7: I think you're right, missus Grayson. Again, I'm not sure

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Speaker 7: that I quit myself understand the psychological or implications of

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Speaker 5: But you are right.

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Speaker 7: I think women, and I hate to sound sexist, but

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Speaker 7: I think women and other members of society enjoy a

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Speaker 7: certain presumption of innocence, maybe in our minds, above and

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Speaker 7: beyond the standard presumption of innocence that we all enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, but just so you know, Alan Bennett,

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Speaker 2: when somebody says no offense, that means they're about to offend.

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Speaker 2: And when you say not to be sexist, that means

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Speaker 2: you are about to be sexist. But I'm sitting here

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Speaker 2: agreeing with you in the sense that it's harder to

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Speaker 2: get a conviction on a woman.

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Speaker 3: You got this one right here.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Armstrong is so called Graham yo getting strung, also

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Speaker 2: called the killer yoga instructor. She's pretty and she can

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Speaker 2: be very, very charming and come across very meek and mild.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Doctor Bethany joining.

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Speaker 2: Me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, who was a renowned psycho analyst,

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Speaker 2: joining us out of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany, thank you

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Speaker 2: for making time between all of your clients that are

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Speaker 2: complaining of whining about the prices.

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Speaker 3: There on Rodeo drive.

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Speaker 2: You know that spells rodeo right, that said, go ahead

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Speaker 2: hit me.

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Speaker 8: You know, I think certain people are in a protected

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Speaker 8: class in our society. Women, especially beautiful women, White women

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Speaker 8: are in a protected class. Old white men are in

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Speaker 8: a protected class. Look that we look at politics, they're

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Speaker 8: older white men. I mean, we agree societally that some

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Speaker 8: people are special and privileged and that we're not going

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Speaker 8: to punish them for anything. And then there are other

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Speaker 8: people that are punished endlessly, people in lower socio economic.

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Speaker 5: Lives.

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Speaker 8: They are punished endlessly for crimed.

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Speaker 3: Can we get back to murder?

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Speaker 2: Can we get back to someone chasing Mariah Moe Wilson

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Speaker 2: just twenty five years old, that's not that much older

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Speaker 2: than my twins. They're about to turn sixteen, chasing her

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Speaker 2: no escape, and shooting her multiple times.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I've got a very old and endearing saying,

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Speaker 2: we never curse around the children ever, but we do

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Speaker 2: allow this one bit of wisdom. Screw her and the

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Speaker 2: horse she rode in on, chasing a twenty five year

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Speaker 2: and shooting her multiple times because she had what launch

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Speaker 2: with Kaylin Armstrong's cheating boyfriend, now cheating in the sense

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Speaker 2: that he went out.

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Speaker 3: To lunch with an old flame.

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Speaker 2: Nobody said they had sex, nobody said they slept together,

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Speaker 2: nothing like that. But he did lie to Caitlin arms

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Speaker 2: talking about where it was where he was, and she

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Speaker 2: found out. She didn't take it out on him.

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Speaker 3: She murdered mo Mariah Wilson.

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Speaker 2: How proud do you think her parents were of her?

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Speaker 2: Their baby girl was a world class dirt bike competitor.

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Speaker 2: She competed all around the world and she won. And

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Speaker 2: now this, okay, isn't it true? Joe Scott Morgan with me,

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. And when

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Speaker 2: I say professor forensics, you ought to see their world

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Speaker 2: class criminal justice program they've got going on at Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet, star of

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Speaker 2: a hit series Body Bags. Joe Scott hit me with

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Speaker 2: the evidence to hay all this. She's beautiful, She's going

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Speaker 2: to escape, just as she had a noose jobs she

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Speaker 2: bleaches her hair, don't care I don't care how beautiful

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Speaker 2: she is. I care about the bullet ridden body of Mote, twenty.

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Speaker 3: Five years old. What facts support my theory.

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Speaker 9: The fact that with Armstrong they found the weapon that

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Speaker 9: she actually owns. It's a six hour Nancy, nine millimeters pistol.

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Speaker 9: They actually found it in her home after she had

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Speaker 9: retreated from this event initially. But here's going to be

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Speaker 9: the biggest tell here. They did recover we know at least,

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Speaker 9: and this will probably be revealed at trial, but we

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Speaker 9: know that they recovered casings, the spent casings out of

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Speaker 9: the semi automatic weapon.

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Speaker 3: Hey emphasis on plural casings.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, casing. She shot multiple times. And this is the

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Speaker 9: thing about it. You kind of led into this just

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Speaker 9: a few moments ago, Nancy, This poor young lady was

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Speaker 9: actually cornered in a bathroom.

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Speaker 2: How does your son, he is twenty two, think about it,

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Speaker 2: getting chased through a house and your son cowering in

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Speaker 2: a bathroom. You know, the last place you try to

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Speaker 2: lock the door, but that doesn't protect you. She gets

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Speaker 2: in with a gun. Can you even imagine?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead?

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Speaker 9: She's trapped in this environment. There's nowhere to go. I mean,

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Speaker 9: all you got to do is look at your own

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Speaker 9: bathroom at home. If you do have a window's probably

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Speaker 9: not big enough to get out of. But you know,

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Speaker 9: when you've got somebody bearing down on you who you know,

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Speaker 9: by her own admission and action, she's an athlete as well.

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Speaker 9: Certainly not at the level of mode, but you know.

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Speaker 9: And then she comes armed, and at this point in time,

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Speaker 9: she's leaving behind these casings that eject out of this

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Speaker 9: weapon multiple and they'll be able to do kind of

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Speaker 9: a generalized match through ballistics. On the casings themselves, they

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Speaker 9: leave little marks. The housing of this weapon leaves little

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Speaker 9: marks on the side, that's all.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the extraction mark.

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Speaker 2: When you shoot a gun, the casing jumps out of

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Speaker 2: the gun, but it leaves a mark on it. And

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Speaker 2: that's how they got the Purp, the alleged purp in Delphi.

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Speaker 3: He cycled a bullet through the gun. He never fired it.

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Speaker 9: He racked the slide. Yeah, he racked the slide back

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Speaker 9: and ejected that live realm.

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Speaker 2: And that one ejection mark on the casing matches up

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Speaker 2: to his gun in his home.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's the Delfi case.

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Speaker 2: And what a lot of people don't know, ballistics are

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Speaker 2: like a fingerprint Joe Scott Morgan. As you well know,

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Speaker 2: I've done it myself. At the crime lab, you get

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Speaker 2: your known bullet, which would be the bullet out of

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Speaker 2: Mariah's body, or the bullet that went.

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Speaker 3: Through her body.

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Speaker 2: It's lying on the bathroom floor, maybe it's lodged in

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Speaker 2: the wall. Carefully, you get it out with plyers or tweezers.

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Speaker 2: You take it to the crime lab. You get what

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Speaker 2: you believe is your murder weapon. You put a bullet

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Speaker 2: or you know, a bunch of pillows, whatever your crime

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Speaker 2: lab uses to absorb the bullet. You get that bullet out,

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Speaker 2: You put them aside each other under a microscope, and

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Speaker 2: it is as clear as a bell.

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Speaker 3: It's called striation marks.

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Speaker 2: As that bullet hurdles down the barrel of a gun,

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Speaker 2: the inside of that gun is like a fingerprint, the

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Speaker 2: way that the metal dried and cool down when the

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Speaker 2: bubbles and markings inside, and those little irregularities.

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Speaker 2: Striation or markings itched on the bullet as it hurtles

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Speaker 3: That's how they do it.

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Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, Nancy, And that weapon is going to

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Speaker 2: We shoot a gun, a fine misted expels of gun

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Speaker 3: Fired a gun.

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Speaker 2: They don't even know it, but their hand about thirty

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Speaker 3: It's gone.

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Speaker 9: And they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Caitlin Armstrong in time to do a sufficient

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, I want.

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Speaker 2: To understand the facts that show that Mariah was chased

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Speaker 2: is a friend's home. Mariah was staying at a friend's

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Speaker 2: What do we know about that house?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so's a house in East Austin, a well known

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Speaker 3: You are so right, Tony Plahetski. You know, for a

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to ourka d as in Delta from

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Speaker 10: As the Austin Police Department investigate, they reach out to

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Speaker 10: at his home. When police arrive, they see a black

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Speaker 2: It's the Austin Police Department. Detective Richard Spiller.

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Speaker 4: Our investigation shows that before her death, Wilson was in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I love the DMV. They're so

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Speaker 3: They're so maligned, they're so mistreated, they always get a

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Speaker 2: DMV has helped me solve so in many cases. And

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Speaker 2: guess what, it also helped solve the Idaho for slight

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Speaker 2: because Brian Coburger was driving around in his white Elantra

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Speaker 2: and the moment white Elantra is put out there to campus,

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Speaker 2: and that's how the case really got cracked open at

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Speaker 2: the get go tell me about it, Tony Plahetski, what

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Speaker 2: because I got a whopper for you. Go ahead, Tony,

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Speaker 2: tell me about the black vehicle circling the crime scene.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it was around that same time, around eight

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute, eight thirty.

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Speaker 2: Mariah and the armstrong boyfriend, Colin Strickland, they were home

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 6: It was an early and early night. I mean they

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Speaker 2: So there's no sleeping around, shacking up at a motel,

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Speaker 2: nothing like that, No clubbing, no drinking. They go swimming,

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Speaker 6: That we know through video and the use of of

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: If I would call this cheating, doctor bethank That's another

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if this rises to cheating. But

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Speaker 2: go ahead, Tony Plask. I've got to set the table

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Speaker 2: for doctor Bethany. And trust me, she only uses silver

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Speaker 6: So they pretty quickly dismissed Colin Strickland as a suspect,

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Speaker 6: I've got this green camera video. They are able to

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Speaker 6: distinguish some unique characteristics of this cheap suv, including by

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's a lot of information. Tony Plohetski.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Tonny Plahetski joining me at the courthouse right now.

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Speaker 2: Investigative reporter Austin American Statesman also with kV u E

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Speaker 2: and dare I suggest a longtime friend and colleague, Okay,

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany and IRV Brandt renowned US Marshall traveled all

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Speaker 3: I'm getting to you.

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Speaker 2: You know where I'm going, Uh, Doctor Bethany, really Mariah

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 8: One of the criteria for borderline sociopathic personality, which.

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Speaker 3: Oh, here you go, is.

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Speaker 8: Rage in response to perceived slights and injuries.

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Speaker 3: Perceived slight injuries. I'm just writing this down.

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Speaker 8: Perceived slights and injury. You see that all over the DSM,

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Speaker 8: like a cancer that spreads outwards. I'm thinking about her

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Speaker 3: So what I'm afraid she's gonna do with the jury

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Speaker 2: They'll think there's no way this woman could have done that.

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Speaker 3: Mariah was the aggressor.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what the facts and evidence are going

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Speaker 3: On Mariah's part. Anyway. Take a listen to our cut e.

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Speaker 10: Anna Wilson is better known by her middle name Mariah.

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Speaker 10: In racing circles, It's mo. Wilson is an up and

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Speaker 2: But when the friend gets home, Mariah is not there

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Speaker 3: Listen our cup base.

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Speaker 10: When Moe Wilson's friend returns home from her dinner plans,

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of homes they put the commode

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Speaker 2: quote everywhere, blood everywhere, and.

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Speaker 3: Mariah was wedged down as far as.

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Speaker 2: She could get between the commode and the wall, which means,

443
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Speaker 2: because the blood is everywhere, she was shot and then

444
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Speaker 2: she kept trying to get away and finally wedged down.

445
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Speaker 3: Between that commode and the wall to protect herself, and

446
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Speaker 3: that's where she died.

447
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about, that she was chased because

448
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: all the blood isn't right there a pool of blood

449
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Speaker 2: where her body was.

450
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Speaker 3: It was elsewhere, which tells me a chase was on.

451
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you just followed the path that the blood leaves.

452
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Speaker 9: And here here's one other thing. I think a lot

453
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Speaker 9: of folks out there believe that if you're shot, you're

454
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Speaker 9: automatically going to go down, and of course that's anatomically dependent.

455
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Speaker 9: It depends on where you're injured, you know, the impact

456
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Speaker 9: of that injury. And here's another layer of fear that

457
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Speaker 9: kind of plays into what Moe's last moments were, Nancy,

458
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Speaker 9: is that if we go with this idea that she

459
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 9: was chased and she wound up, you know, wedged in

460
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Speaker 9: this tiny little environment, she's trying to go to that

461
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Speaker 9: last point of retreat which you can put distance between herself.

462
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Speaker 9: She would have had an awareness, oh my god, I'm

463
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Speaker 9: being shot. Adrenaline's pumping, she's pumping blood, and so when

464
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Speaker 9: she gets in there heightened fear and this individual literally

465
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Speaker 9: advances on her and executes her. In this environment, it's

466
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Speaker 9: not just one shot, two shot. And this is more

467
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Speaker 9: of a Bethany comment, but the fact that she shot

468
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Speaker 9: so many times, and we don't have the exact number

469
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Speaker 9: at this point in time, but the fact that she

470
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Speaker 9: shot so many times, this goes to either wanting to

471
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Speaker 9: finish the job at that moment, Tom or just like

472
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Speaker 9: when we see a stabbing where you've got overkill, Nancy,

473
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Speaker 9: you got a lot of hate, you got a lot

474
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Speaker 9: of anger going forward to this.

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Speaker 2: Hey, And I'm going to circle back hey to you

476
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Speaker 2: Alan Bennett, a high profile lawyer, former prosecutor with Gunter

477
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Speaker 2: Bennett and Anthos joining us from this jurisdiction. Alan Bennet,

478
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Speaker 2: I want to hear everything about this courthouse, everything you

479
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: know about the judge that you can repeat on air,

480
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: but I want to circle back to you about flight

481
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Speaker 2: and about the multiple gun.

482
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Speaker 3: Shots, because me and I would hammer that with this.

483
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: Jury a lot of people think, oh, kayln Armstrong was mad.

484
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: She was angry, so she pulled a gun and just shot.

485
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Speaker 2: Oh hgl n oh. Premeditation in that jurisdiction of Austin

486
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Speaker 2: can be formed in the blink of an eye, the

487
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: twinkling of a moment, the time it takes you to

488
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Speaker 2: pull a gun and raise it and.

489
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Speaker 3: Pull the trigger.

490
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Speaker 2: The fact that Mariah Wilson Moe was shot multiple times

491
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Speaker 2: is time enough, more than enough to form premeditation intent

492
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: to act under the law much less. If my theory

493
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: is true, where Mariah was actually chased to the house,

494
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: that's more time. You've got her circling the house, with

495
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: bringing a gun, with her showing intent all that time.

496
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 2: She could have just kept on driving, but no, she

497
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Speaker 2: went in and gunned down Mariah out of anger over

498
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: a hamburger. Really, they had a hamburger together. So she

499
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Speaker 2: gets the death penalty.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. And I don't care how glamorous she is.

501
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: She can go straight to supper with Satan for all

502
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Speaker 2: eye care. So we're talking about what's gonna be hapen,

503
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Speaker 2: and it's happening right now, by the way, the opening

504
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Speaker 2: statements are happening.

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Speaker 3: Now, catch this. The police actually had.

506
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Speaker 2: Had Kaylin Armstrong in their grasp, they did not arrest

507
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: her or all suspicion of murder. They let her go

508
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: because of a technicality and a previous warrant where she

509
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: did not pay for botox and she got away. She

510
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: left without paying and there was a warrant on her

511
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Speaker 2: for that. They could have grabbed her right then on

512
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Speaker 2: that warrant, but no, they let her go and she

513
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: took off. But I want you to hear this. I

514
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: want you to hear I cut one five four. This

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Speaker 2: is a detective Richard Spiller from Austin p D.

516
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Speaker 4: The Austoin Police Department's tack Until unit located calling at

517
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Speaker 4: his residence and he agreed to an interview. Members of

518
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: the tack Until unit located Armstrong and she was arrested

519
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: for a misumeinor warrant issued out of Travis County. Armstrong

520
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: was transported to the main police station and interviewed. Armstrong

521
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: was questioned about her vehicle being in the area as

522
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: pictured on the ring camera. However, she would not confirm

523
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Speaker 4: or deny being in the area of the murder and

524
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: quickly terminated the interview.

525
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Speaker 2: Nothing raises my suspicion more than someone that can't say, oh, no,

526
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: that's not my car. It doesn't have a World Peace

527
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: sticker on the back, or it doesn't have a little

528
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: dent and the fender, or in my case, it doesn't

529
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: have a Halloween skeletons strap to the top. You should

530
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: be able to look at a car and say, oh,

531
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Speaker 2: that's not my car because it doesn't have whatever. But

532
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: she saw the video of that car, her car going

533
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: around and around the soon to be murder seen she

534
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: said huh what and left and they let her go,

535
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Speaker 2: even though she had a misdemeanor warrant on her for

536
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Speaker 2: failure to pay for of course botox treatments.

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Speaker 3: I love that part.

538
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Police want to talk to her, but she is nowhere

539
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Speaker 2: to be found. And then we find out this take

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Speaker 2: a listener our cut f as in Frank.

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Speaker 10: Police want to talk to Armstrong again, but she's nowhere

542
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 10: to be found. Not only did she disappear, she deleted

543
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Speaker 10: all her social media accounts. Law enforcement is on the

544
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 10: lookout for Armstrong driving her black Jeep Grand Cherokee, but

545
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 10: three days later video is released of Armstrong in Austin's airport.

546
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 10: Investigators say she flew from Austin to Houston and then

547
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 10: onto New York. Surveillance footage shows Caitlin Armstrong flying into

548
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 10: New York Slaguardia Airport on May fourteenth. Then on May eighteenth,

549
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Speaker 10: the day after a murder warrant was issued for Armstrong,

550
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 10: someone dropped her off at New Jersey's Newark Airport. But

551
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 10: there's no record of her taking a flight.

552
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: And just like that, she slips through the fingers of

553
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Speaker 2: authorities and she is gone.

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Speaker 1: I'm stories with Nancy Grace.

555
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: Joining me right now.

556
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Speaker 2: IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector, US Marshall Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector,

557
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: Department of Justice, Office of International Affairs, best selling author

558
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: of Solo's Shot, Curse of the Blue Stone and Flying

559
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: Solo Top of the World, both on Amazon, which I

560
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: believe he incorporated all of his world travels hunting down

561
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: criminals like Kaitlin Armstrong to create Solo.

562
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Speaker 3: Okay, Jack Solo. IRV. Brant thank you for being with us.

563
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Speaker 2: So there is a massive search for Kaitlin Armstrong. She

564
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: slips through their fingers. They got to be very embarrassed.

565
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: They should be. I mean, she's right there in the

566
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: police HQ. And because there's a different I think it

567
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: was a dob on the misdemeanor warrant. They're like, oh,

568
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: maybe that's not her. Anyway, she escapes. Tell me about

569
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Speaker 2: how they find her hiding out at a surf hostel

570
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: in Costa Rica, teaching trying to teach surf yoga, with

571
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Speaker 2: a nose job, changing her appearance.

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Speaker 5: Oops, that's correct, Nancy. She left the United States viaon

573
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Speaker 5: fraudulent passport and made her way to that surf resort.

574
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Speaker 2: You mean we think her sister's passport, didn't We find

575
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: out for sure it was, Yeah, the sister's passport.

576
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Speaker 3: They looked very similar.

577
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Speaker 5: Go ahead, that's correct. And since she was came in

578
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Speaker 5: under a different name, and she used multiple airliesses while

579
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Speaker 5: she was in Costa Rica, and she made her way

580
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Speaker 5: to the surfer resort where she changed her hair color,

581
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: she had cosmetic surgery. She was obviously hiding. She was

582
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Speaker 5: telling people that she'd met, She'd made up different stories

583
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Speaker 5: about her life. And when US Marshall Service along with

584
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Speaker 5: the Costa Rican Police tracked her down, you know, and

585
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 5: took her into custody, she waived her right to deportation

586
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 5: hearings and voluntarily he returned to the United States escorted

587
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 5: by the United States Marshall Service and was taken into

588
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Speaker 5: custody into Texas, where she was housed until time of trial.

589
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Speaker 2: Can We talked about her making up stories about her life,

590
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Speaker 2: traveling under a fake passport, getting as far away from

591
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Speaker 2: the US as she could, and a place where they

592
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Speaker 2: speak English. And of course Costa Rica is a very

593
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: unique place. You've got the beach at Tammerindo, you have

594
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: the mountains like matt Monteverde that you have the volcanic area,

595
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: which is a whole swath of land there at volcanoes,

596
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Speaker 2: so she could blend in in a very unique way.

597
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Speaker 3: There are tourists, so she could blend in in that way.

598
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 3: She picked a great place to go.

599
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 2: Still, there's plenty of people that speak English, and there

600
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Speaker 2: are areas of Costa Rica that are extremely remote.

601
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Speaker 3: For instance, I hiked there before.

602
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Speaker 2: If you go hiking in Costa Rica, say around orn

603
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Speaker 2: All or in the rainforest area, you can blend in

604
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Speaker 2: and never be found of Brent.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right, Nancy, and that's the reason why she

606
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Speaker 5: picked it. There's a very large xpact community and what

607
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 5: i'man by that is Americans that reside in Costa Rica

608
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 5: and one of the allures of Costa Rica. If you

609
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 5: ask them, they'll tell you going off the grid. They

610
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 5: just absolutely want to disappear. They don't want to be found.

611
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about criminals, I'm just talking.

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00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: About people in general in general.

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00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 5: That's correct. And so it's a perfect hiding place for

614
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 5: someone who is being hunted by the law.

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Speaker 3: You know what else it is, It's a surfing mecca.

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Speaker 3: Surfers love Costa Rica.

617
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Speaker 2: They have awesome waves, so she would blend in perfectly

618
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: there in the surfing and yoga scene. She was hiding

619
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Speaker 2: out in this hostel and they are in the hostel

620
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Speaker 2: when she was finally found our receipts, there was indication

621
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Speaker 2: that she had had a nose job to change her appearance.

622
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: So let me go to Alan Bennett. Based on everything

623
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Speaker 2: you're hearing from Erv Brandt, Alan Bennett, former prosecutor now

624
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: civil attorney. Judges, Well, the law is in many jurisdictions

625
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: now that the judge cannot instruct the jury at the

626
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: end of the trial on flight as indicator of guilt.

627
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: In other words, when I see a cop pull up

628
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: behind me on the interstate. I may touch the brakes,

629
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Speaker 2: but I know Flora to one hundred and ten mphs.

630
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: Try to get away.

631
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Speaker 1: Why would I?

632
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: Because I don't have anything to hide right now anyway.

633
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: But flight, when you do take off at one hundred

634
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: and ten mph, why a jury can assume, if argued correctly,

635
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: that you take flight because you're guilty. Come on, she's

636
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: traveling under a fake name with her sister's passport, gets

637
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: a nose job, makes up a whole new life story,

638
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: on and on and on to distance herself from the shooting.

639
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: It's flight, and the state prosecutor can still argue that

640
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: to the jury. Why would she have gone to Costa

641
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: Rica and hide out in a hostel where she's sharing

642
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: a room with five other people in a butt bed

643
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Speaker 2: if she.

644
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Speaker 3: Didn't have to.

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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am, I agree, and Texas does honor that doctrine.

646
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Speaker 7: It is what we refer to as evidence of guilt

647
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 7: or evidence of consciousness of guilt. And you're absolutely right.

648
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 7: Of course, you expect an innocent person to be jumping

649
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 7: up and down, demanding their day in court so as

650
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Speaker 7: to clear their good name. On the contrary, someone who

651
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 7: escapes attempts to escape flees the jurisdiction. Your intuition, your

652
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 7: common sense would dictate that that is someone who does

653
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Speaker 7: not want to go to gord, who does not want

654
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Speaker 7: to have their day, who does not want to have

655
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Speaker 7: their trial to clear their good name. And in fact,

656
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Speaker 7: here in Texas, that should be admissible before the jury

657
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Speaker 7: to show that Ms. Armstrong's conduct is conduct from which

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Speaker 7: a jury can infer guilt or certainly show her own

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Speaker 7: consciousness of guilt. Saying would also apply to her subsequent

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00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 7: attempt to escape custody just a month or so ago.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just going to bring that up, IRV Brandt.

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00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: Alan Bennett is right. I can't wait to hear what

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany has to say about this.

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Speaker 3: IRV Brandt.

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Speaker 2: You know, in the past couple of weeks, she faked

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00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: up an illness to get an appointment away from the

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00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: jail in a doctor's appointment, and they take her to

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00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: the appointment offsite, and of course she makes a run

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Speaker 2: for it, and the jailers were in no physical shape

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Speaker 2: to give chase.

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Speaker 3: I can just say that right.

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Speaker 2: Now, she manages, even in handcuffs, she didn't have a

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00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: leg restraints. She manages to scale a wall a big wall. Look, Jackie,

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00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: what would you say five feet tall? At least she

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00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: scales the wall, even in handcuffs. They finally get her.

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Speaker 3: So RV Brandt, this woman is intent on escaping.

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Speaker 2: Why then because it was time for her trial and

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00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: she thinks she's going to be found guilty.

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Speaker 5: You're correct, and I'm sorry, but this is not a

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Speaker 5: funny subject. I don't mean to make light of it.

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Speaker 3: Mariah's parents aren't listening to you or Brant snickering.

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Speaker 5: I watched the video of her that went viral, of

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Speaker 5: her just torching and a race those deputies while she's

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Speaker 5: in a waiste chain and handcuffed to her waist, and she's.

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Speaker 2: Still They need to go to dance duty right now, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to make fun of them because it

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Speaker 5: happens in thirty In my thirty years of law enforcement,

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Speaker 5: I have had suspects who are in coughs break away

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Speaker 5: from me and I had to chase them down.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I don't know that I could catch her, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not wearing.

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Speaker 2: A deputy outfit and a gun on my hip, sworn

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Speaker 2: to protect the person.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, she's stashed. She's stassed like a cheetah.

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Speaker 5: But they got her. Yeah, and so I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to make fun of them.

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Speaker 3: Because nobody asks you to. I'm asking you about what

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Speaker 3: that means to you.

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Speaker 5: Well, that shows a consciousness of guilt, and she wants

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Speaker 5: to get away. She doesn't want to go to trial.

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Speaker 5: But what happens now down intended consequences of this is

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Speaker 5: she's designated as an escape risk. And that's just not

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Speaker 5: for the right now. This is going to follow her forever.

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Speaker 2: Can when we talk about what it means in the

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00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: here and now, it means this jury can hear about it.

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Speaker 2: Evidence indicating guilt Doctor Bethany Marshall jump in throw her

707
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: brant a life raff for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 8: It indicates something else. It indicates her ability to plan ahead.

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Speaker 8: Remember in jail she exercised vigorously. She turned a pen

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00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 8: into an object that she could use to loosen the handcuff.

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00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 8: This woman plants and plans in an oceanic kind of way.

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Speaker 8: So when it comes to the killing of Wilson, it

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Speaker 8: was not just in the spur of the moment. This

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00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 8: woman Armstrong thought about it and thought about it and

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Speaker 8: thought about it. There's a lot of careful planning that

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Speaker 8: goes into this. Maybe if I saw her in my office,

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Speaker 8: I would see her persepating, obsessing, rageful, in a paranoid state.

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Speaker 8: And you know this, this going to Costa Rica is

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Speaker 8: also interesting because she had this twelve thousand dollars jeep

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Speaker 8: she sold, and twelve thousand dollars goes a long way

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Speaker 8: in Costa Rica. It doesn't go a long way in

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Speaker 8: the United States. If you want to get a nosed

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Speaker 8: job and you want to live on the lamb. And

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Speaker 8: I think so fascinating thing to me. You know how criminals,

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Speaker 8: men in jail always become ministers, so they you know,

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Speaker 8: they accept the Lord Jesus Christ into their heart. And

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Speaker 8: I'm not making fun of that because I'm a Christian.

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Speaker 3: Do not crank up about Christ.

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Speaker 8: Okay, okay, But women do the equivalent version. By the

730
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Speaker 8: huming yoga instructors and mystics and spiritual leaders, they all

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Speaker 8: feel in some grandiose way, like they've come to see

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Speaker 8: the light and they believe it, Nancy, they believe they

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Speaker 8: have a unique and special connection to God.

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Speaker 3: I do not know what that has to do with

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Speaker 3: her taking off and.

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Speaker 2: Arm restraints grandiosity, but somehow you did it Dr Bethany.

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Speaker 3: Somehow you cobble those two together. I can tell you right.

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Speaker 2: Now that jury is hearing how many times twenty five

739
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Speaker 2: year old Mariah Wilson was shot, shot dead till she

740
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Speaker 2: bled out on the bathroom floor. We'll bring you the latest.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,