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Speaker 2: I'm hoping to stuff I never told you protection by her.

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Speaker 3: Radio, and you know, any of the world is bleak,

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Speaker 3: and honestly, I'm not doing too well, especially with all

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Speaker 3: the dark news.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm consuming.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So for this Monday, Minnie, We're gonna take a

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Speaker 3: break with some insightful looks at why pets are wonderful

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Speaker 3: for these dark times.

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Speaker 1: Anyone's gonna rele you that cat.

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Speaker 2: And there is a neighborhood cat listeners that I adore.

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Speaker 2: She is so sweet and if I could, I would.

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Speaker 2: I love her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually I came upon her as I was coming

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Speaker 3: to your house, to your apartment to bring you something.

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Speaker 1: She was so sweet rubbing up on me. I almost

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Speaker 1: took her and brought her to you.

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Speaker 3: Because I was like, she needs this cat.

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Speaker 2: I love her. I'm debating her name, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: if I name her, then it's going to go out

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Speaker 1: Princess Leah.

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Speaker 2: She's she's got a sassy vibe. I could see that working.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, when I saw her, immediate was like, Josh,

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Speaker 3: I need to steal this cat. But then she's so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you a cat though.

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Speaker 3: But with that so, as you all know, Peter's carture

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Speaker 3: and my anxiety may have made her this way. Pet

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Speaker 3: seemed to imitate their owner personality. Again, so they say,

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Speaker 3: but with all of that, she has made my life better,

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Speaker 3: more expensive, but better. And of course we know this

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Speaker 3: is scientific and you know we're gonna look at some findings.

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Speaker 3: So in an article in Newsinhealth dot nih dot gov,

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Speaker 3: Yes INIH titled the Power of Pets, they say, this

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Speaker 3: research on human animal interaction is still relatively new, and

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Speaker 3: Some studies have shown positive health effects, but the results

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Speaker 3: have been mixed. Interacting with animals has been shown to

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Speaker 3: decrease levels of cortisol, a stress related hormone, and lower

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Speaker 3: blood pressure. Other studies have found that animals can reduce loneliness,

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Speaker 3: if I was one of the people that I talked to,

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Speaker 3: able to hug my.

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Speaker 1: Dog makes me feel better.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't understand it, she probably doesn't love it. She

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Speaker 3: does that for me. In fact, they were so intrigued

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Speaker 3: And this was doctor An Berger, a physician and researcher

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Speaker 3: Moving on, there's another article tell Tell t E l

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Speaker 3: Me and Peaches, but any you adapted to that very

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Speaker 3: The study, which was published on March thirty first again

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Speaker 2: Because Peaches and I are the same, because.

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Speaker 1: Y'all are one.

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Speaker 3: Essentially, If there's such a thing as a soul dog,

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Speaker 1: Oh you want me to come sit next to you? No,

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Speaker 2: Peaches is the most calico dog I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Of course, we wanted to break down the women factor

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Speaker 3: and cats help women live longer, healthier lives. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: They and the children human children being like they love

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Speaker 3: many women spend more time with pets than people? And

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Speaker 3: she starts the article with this quote, the average woman

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Speaker 3: with a pet now spends more time actively engaged with

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Speaker 3: her pet than she spends hanging out face to face

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Speaker 3: with bellow humans on any given day. I read in

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Speaker 3: the Atlantic. It was a dissection of the quote crisis

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Speaker 3: in Social fitness, alternatively known as while We're all destined

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Speaker 3: to die alone, our faces eaten by the very pet

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Speaker 3: whose company we have chosen above our own kind? Am

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Speaker 3: I a pet owner or my pet owning? Friends of

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Speaker 3: all genders surprised?

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Speaker 1: Of course not. And y'all this article is.

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Speaker 3: Too good not to add a little more bits to it,

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Speaker 3: including she writes, pet hangouts are blissfully free from social awkwardness, aggravation,

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Speaker 3: and anxiety. You will never engage in agonizingly polite dance

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Speaker 3: with your pet over who should eat the last morsel

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Speaker 3: on a sharing plate. Your pet doesn't have a partner

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Speaker 3: you can't stand, and if they did, you wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: to be polite to or about them. If you hang

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Speaker 3: out at home, your pet doesn't care if you watch

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Speaker 3: Project repeats, Star Wars repeat or instead of a subtitle drama,

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Speaker 3: or reveal you don't understand inflation. Yeah, I agreed, I agree,

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Speaker 3: And she goes on to say this last part, which

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Speaker 3: by the way, is hysterical. It says, because I think

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Speaker 3: you and I I've said this many times, but also

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Speaker 3: to end, Yes, your companion might eat your face one day,

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Speaker 3: but why would you care? You'll be dead and it's

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Speaker 3: a small price to pay for all that blissfully accepting

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Speaker 3: hang time. Being understood is overrated. Being treated as a

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Speaker 3: snack dispenser in life and potentially also death is the

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Speaker 3: way forward. I am a snack dispenser. She only cares

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Speaker 3: about me when she thinks it's time for me to

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Speaker 3: hide a greenie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then if you don't do it, she hides

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Speaker 2: behind me and looks at you passive aggressively. And I

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Speaker 3: She's bad if I don't give it to her, or

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Speaker 3: she doesn't because she was sick the other day that

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. She goes to bed. That's quite funny. But

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Speaker 3: I thought this was interesting. And if you don't have

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Speaker 3: a pet, that's okay. If you have inanimate objects like

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Speaker 3: a bee as your pet, that's okay. Am I still

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Speaker 3: going to find you a kitten? Yes, any I am.

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Speaker 3: If you want to have a snake as a pet,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, Katie. I'm not coming to your house though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't told Katie. My good friend Katie has

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Speaker 2: a snake and a bunch of mice. And I told

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Speaker 2: her about your reaction and determination not to go.

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Speaker 3: Because it also escapes it.

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Speaker 2: Escape snake escapes.

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Speaker 3: You can't have it and love it all you want.

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Speaker 3: And I'm proud of you, and I'm so glad you

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Speaker 3: take care of that thing.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want it.

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Speaker 2: She sent me an update about it today. I'll send

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Speaker 3: The amount of screams that would happen if it touched me. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: all that to say is, yes, your pets can't help

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Speaker 1: They are benefits to that during these times.

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Speaker 3: It's awful, we know, And it's sometimes nice to have

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Speaker 3: a dog that actually is judgmental.

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Speaker 1: She does judge me.

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Speaker 3: She judged me a lot, actually, and sighs at me

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Speaker 3: quite often in frustration and irritance. But I enjoy that

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Speaker 3: because in the end I can still cuddle her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a I mean going back to my friend Katie.

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Speaker 2: She also helps dog sit sometimes, and she once told

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Speaker 2: me Peaches is the kind of weird that I really love.

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Speaker 2: She has a personality. She has a personality.

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Speaker 1: Wait what does that say about me? Oh? Good?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, don't read too much into it. It was a compliment.

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Speaker 2: I suspect.

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Speaker 1: I'm a dic.

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Speaker 2: We should we should.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal you.

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Speaker 2: A cat all right, well, listeners, we always love hearing

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Speaker 2: super producer, Christina, our executive producer and a contributor Joe.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Christina has a wonderful cat.

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