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Speaker 1: getting set for Conference Championship weekend. There are only four

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Speaker 1: based on the rankings. Based on the standings, we have

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Speaker 1: a pair of one two matchups, Paul. So it has

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Speaker 1: actually been quite interesting if you look at some recent trends,

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Speaker 1: because you go back to Giants history, Paul, you look

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Speaker 1: you figure there's been some representation of a wild card

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's the division winners with the

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Speaker 1: medical staff, they're gonna dig into that and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: know exactly what that situation is and usually will never

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Speaker 1: find that out. And you can guess all you like

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Speaker 1: as to whether or not that was a reason that

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Speaker 1: they didn't decide to go through with talking to a guy.

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Speaker 1: But trust me, there are guys who get medically cobboshed,

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Speaker 1: if you will, off somebody's want list because they've decided

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Speaker 1: that it's not worth the risk to even have conversation

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Speaker 1: with the guy. Well, and also, I just look at

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Speaker 1: the combine, there are some players that will have their

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Speaker 1: initial medical test Paul, and then the follow ups will

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Speaker 1: remember a little bitter on just to gain more clarity

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Speaker 1: on some of those prospects, because the last thing you

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Speaker 1: want to do is draft a player not knowing their

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Speaker 1: exact track record in their exact history. And it's the

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Speaker 1: same thing with free agency. You're gonna want to look

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Speaker 1: into everything. So, for example, any team that's interested in

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, not that I think there's any red flags

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Speaker 1: right now, but you want to see how he has

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Speaker 1: recovered from that knee injury. You want to test it out,

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Speaker 1: you want to look at his medical records. Man, I

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Speaker 1: would think that would be a natural type of question

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Speaker 1: that you would have. Joe Flacco and Nick Foles don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have the same type of serious injury history as

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, but you also want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: there wasn't anything that comes alive with them as well.

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Speaker 1: The point is, when you're discussing free agents, just as

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Speaker 1: when you're discussing college prospects, there are so many different

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Speaker 1: pieces of paper in that guy's file, so many of

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Speaker 1: them that you know it's laughable sometimes to even talk

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Speaker 1: about these players because we know there is so much

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Speaker 1: that we don't know about them that will dramatically impact

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Speaker 1: how the team feels about their potential as a sign

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Speaker 1: E two zero one four five one three. Ed is

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Speaker 1: in California. ED, Welcome to Big Blue Kick Off Live.

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Um? No one's bringing

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Speaker 1: this up, And I don't know if you guys to

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Speaker 1: reach this for me, but I don't or isn't famous

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Speaker 1: for having the most complicated growth quarterback system up. How

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Speaker 1: many of his quarterbacks from the Sun to that Florida

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Speaker 1: and now at Ohio Fate have gone on to the

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Speaker 1: NFL and not even had great careers but just speed

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Speaker 1: the NFL careers. Well, you've had Tim Tebow, who I

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Speaker 1: think we clearly see what happened with Tim Tebow. Then

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Speaker 1: the swings are pretty good baseball bat. Yeah. And then

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys at Ohio State that have

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Speaker 1: played quarterback and have either changed positions. For example, Terrell

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Speaker 1: Prior was a quarterback at Ohio State and then became

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. You know. JT. Barrett is another guy

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Speaker 1: who to me was a dangerous runner, but nothing necessarily

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Speaker 1: became of that. Car Del Jones, who is on the

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Speaker 1: Chargers practice squad, there's another guy. So I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: just going off the top of my head for you,

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Speaker 1: ed there, there's not an overwhelming amount of names that

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Speaker 1: I'm recollecting that were either at Ohio State and cross

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Speaker 1: pass with Urban Meyer or Florida and went on to

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Speaker 1: become bigger and better. Now, I don't necessarily think that

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Speaker 1: would be a reason why you would avoid a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't go so far. You still need to do

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Speaker 1: your due diligence. And Dwayne Haskins, which I'm assuming you're

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Speaker 1: alluding to. Haskins to me is different than car Del

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Speaker 1: Jones and JT. Barrett, who are recent Ohio State quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: because Haskins, to me, from watching him, he is as

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Speaker 1: close to a true pocket passer that Ohio State, to me,

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Speaker 1: has had in quite some time, whereas Barrett and Jones

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Speaker 1: to me, were more guys that would run and they

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Speaker 1: would run the offense around that same thing. With obviously

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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, a big part of their offense was his

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Speaker 1: ability to run because he had that frame. Haskins is

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Speaker 1: not a guy that they tell, hey, go out and

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Speaker 1: run and pick up thirty yards. Haskins is gonna stay

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Speaker 1: within the pocket and he's gonna throw the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field dirty yards. So that's why I'm shying away

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Speaker 1: from I get your point, and I think it's a

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Speaker 1: fair point because there is evidence that proves your point,

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Speaker 1: but I would not throw Haskins into that group being

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Speaker 1: is that where maybe you're heading towards. So Meyer was

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Speaker 1: at Florida from five to ten. You already mentioned the

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Speaker 1: Ohio State quarterbacks that Meyer had when he was with

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Speaker 1: the buck Eyes from five to ten, he was, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he was with Florida, and I'm going back here. People

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Speaker 1: took up some of that outside of Tebow. Well that's it.

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Speaker 1: Tebow was the only NFL quarterback but the only guy

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Speaker 1: who was drafted who played quarterback at Florida during Meyer's

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Speaker 1: time there. The previous quarterback to be drafted out of

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Speaker 1: Florida was Rex Grossman in two thousand three, before Meyer

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Speaker 1: got there, So I think I may have even covered

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Speaker 1: just about all of his quarterbacks. Don't know, do you

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Speaker 1: want to go back to I highly doubt didn't have

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Speaker 1: anybody at Utah? Right, Irvan Meyer was at Utah before

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Speaker 1: that three and four. If maybe anybody came out of Utah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if as most the caller brings up

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Speaker 1: a point, and it is very interesting, You're right, I

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Speaker 1: have not heard anybody discussed the fact that his quarterback

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Speaker 1: history has not been treated very well in the pros.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, it's not something that I've discussed. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to look at the guy's tape

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Speaker 1: on his own merit. I don't necessarily think that trends

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Speaker 1: or history are appropriate, but you certainly make an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: Let's say he was at Utah from two thousand three

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Speaker 1: and two thousand four, uh Utah. Last guy from Utah

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Speaker 1: to be drafted was Alex Smith in two thousand five

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Speaker 1: UH and prior to that Scott Mitchell, so he would

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Speaker 1: not have one. Well, wait, if Alex Smith was drafted

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Speaker 1: at oh five. Then didn't he overlapp would That's right,

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Speaker 1: he was, so Alex Smith is a perfect example. So

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith worked with Urban Meyer, so he would be

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Speaker 1: the guy at the top of the list ed that

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Speaker 1: he's worked with so and that's a good example of

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Speaker 1: a guy that's carved out a nice NFL career. Took

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Speaker 1: him some time because he didn't have the greatest stability

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco at the offensive coordinator position. But Alex

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Speaker 1: Smith is a is a nice example to certainly point

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Speaker 1: to a number one overall pick who is not even

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Speaker 1: going to sniff the Hall of Fame. And unfortunately, like

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Speaker 1: I said, it's more to do with the lack of

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Speaker 1: stability of the coaches that he worked within the offenses.

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole other conversation. What else you have

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Speaker 1: for us? Said? All right, thank you, Oh you got it.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the phone call. And I think it's a very

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Speaker 1: interesting point that the last caller brought up. I never

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Speaker 1: necessarily gave it much thought, and I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: ever really looked into any coaches like that, because I

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Speaker 1: feel as if you're not doing enough justice to the

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Speaker 1: current quarterback that you'd be evaluated by just automatically grouping

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Speaker 1: him in with the others. I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's a good way to go either. But you and

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Speaker 1: I both know there's a reason they call Penn State linebacker.

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Speaker 1: You you know, there's a reason that that you know,

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Speaker 1: teams in the Big ten UH seemed to produce a

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Speaker 1: lot of offensive linemen, you know, I mean, yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: certainly are the quote trends of certain conferences or certain

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Speaker 1: schools that seemed to produce certain types of players. It's

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Speaker 1: always been said that USC had NFL busts as quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and and that's part of the reason why some people

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Speaker 1: were looking at Donald and saying, all, I came out

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Speaker 1: of a program that just always had high profile guys

565
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Speaker 1: who did nothing in the pros. I don't go for that.

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Speaker 1: I think you need to look at the guy's tape individually.

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Speaker 1: You decide what he did on his own merit. But

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Speaker 1: you know, interesting point to throw out there. Well, and

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Speaker 1: here is something else that I think is related to

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Speaker 1: this conversation. Heisman Trophy winners, for example, at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: Paul right don't have a great track statement. So that

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Speaker 1: would be the equivalency of if you're an executive and

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Speaker 1: a guy wanna Heisman, We're absolutely not taking him right,

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Speaker 1: but you can't do that. So then you look at

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, who was taken by the Cleveland Browns, who

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Speaker 1: had a nice rookie year. Are we now all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden if you're a front office executive looking at

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, if you shied away from him simply because

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Speaker 1: he won the Heisman, it's not the best logic when

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Speaker 1: you can value any prospects. You can't do that with

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Speaker 1: Lamar talk about but you can't get fun to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. But not the realistic way to go in

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Speaker 1: terms of the evaluation process. Two zero one five one three.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Phil in North Carolina. Phil, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program. What do you got for us? Yeah, hero guys,

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Speaker 1: can you hear me? Okay? Hi? Good points? Uh? Let

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Speaker 1: me before I get into my discussion of Russian statistics

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Speaker 1: Russian importance. UM. Two things one one UM. I noticed

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Speaker 1: that kind of analyzing rivers compared to like Eli rivers

590
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Speaker 1: is a much more accurate like short uh yutage Passer's

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Speaker 1: super accurate, and I think that's why touchdowns are easy

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Speaker 1: for him. Uh getting touchdowns or as um Eli h

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Speaker 1: arm is still stronger than Rivers and he can throw

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Speaker 1: the out passes better than Rivers. So I thought that

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Speaker 1: was a kind of interesting observation. And uh, so I'm

596
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Speaker 1: in the long one. I guess I'm glad that we traded. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we traded for you. You don't, honestly, even in trying

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Speaker 1: to make that evaluation, you have to remember that he

599
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Speaker 1: eyes played his whole career in the Northeast with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: with the well not as much Meadowlands wins in the

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Speaker 1: new stadium as the old one, but nonetheless, uh, there's

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Speaker 1: no question Eli has played in much more difficult weather

603
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Speaker 1: conditions on the whole over his career than Philip Rivers has.

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is a much better fantasy football quarterback than

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning. If you need pinball numbers and you're playing

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Speaker 1: fantasy football by all means, go ahead and draft Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: If you want a guy who's got a professional attitude,

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Speaker 1: a professional demeanor, a guy who's a championship kind of guy,

609
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Speaker 1: blood and blood through and through, you want Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: So do you want a Lombardi Trophy? Do you want

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Speaker 1: a fantasy football Trophy. I guess that's the that's how

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Speaker 1: you can differentiate the two. Well. I I slightly disagree, though, Phil,

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Speaker 1: that Philip Rivers is not an accurate guy down the field.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if if you look at this season and

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Speaker 1: some of the previous seasons, he's had some deep threats

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Speaker 1: and they've had some big passing plays. I mean, he's

617
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Speaker 1: got Tyrolle Williams on the field. He had Vincent Jackson

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Speaker 1: for many he wasn't even gonna go I know, well,

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Speaker 1: but I mean I felt I wanted to respond more

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Speaker 1: to at then necessarily their demeanor, which to me is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the biggest priority. So I don't think it is.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very big deal when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, but you know what, very big deal. That's

624
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Speaker 1: what makes up a leader. Well, but's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: But Philip Rivers, I would argue, is skin It's very competitive. Though.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's misinterpreted. He's he lies not

627
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Speaker 1: he said no, I'm not. I'm not downgrading like I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's misinterpreted. To me, Philip Rivers is more of a

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Speaker 1: raw rock guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve.

630
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Speaker 1: Because he's competitive. I don't think that's a loser and

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Speaker 1: a sour grapes guy, and very immature at times when

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Speaker 1: throughout his career. Well what happened though, Well, give me

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Speaker 1: an example, what happened? Look you look at him. He

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Speaker 1: goes tantrums. But I'm telling you that's his competitiveness. That's

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Speaker 1: not doesn't help his team. Well, not when the quarterback

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Speaker 1: does it. Guy, any day of the week, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't doubt fully that burst of energy like Sims

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Speaker 1: used to all the time. Well, but Sims will give

639
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Speaker 1: a burst of energy when something was really good. Sims

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Speaker 1: didn't throw tantrums when things went bad. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's the same that's the same school of things, skin

642
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: school I thought with Baker Mayfield though, because Baker again,

643
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is not my style. It's not your style.

644
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that he's not a good quarterback.

645
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: That's my don't say Philip Rivers wasn't any good. Well,

646
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: but see football, people love it, well, but there's more

647
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: to than fantasy football. To Philip Rivers thought, come on, anyway,

648
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: go ahead. I think I opened up with Pandora, you

649
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: don't passes. I noticed a like really down the middle,

650
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: not to the outside. So I think he's got a

651
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: problem with that deep outside pass. But anyway, UH, they

652
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: tend to look at and see what you think. You know,

653
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: that evaluation. But getting back to the Russian statistics two canes.

654
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: One is that the UH. One of the analysts really

655
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: was really interesting and said that l A figured out

656
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: the Cowboys UH rush rush keys defensive one rush keys,

657
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: and UH it was really apparent in the game that

658
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: where they were opening up the holes, they knew exactly

659
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: where it opened up those holes, and they were gaping

660
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: holes in that the Russian UH in that Gallas defense.

661
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Speaker 1: And it made me think, boy, we could I wish

662
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: we had figured that out. Well. The offensive line from

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Speaker 1: the Rams, Phil, Phil, I think I think you got

664
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Speaker 1: to take it the consideration the difference in personnel. The

665
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: Rams offensive line has been solid all season long. Also,

666
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Speaker 1: if you watch that game closely, there were a number

667
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: of plays where the offensive linemen were getting to the

668
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: second layer of the Cowboys defense, and they were doing

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00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: that consistently. I could point to places where Andrew Whitworth

670
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: had left tackle. He blocked one guy, he pushed him

671
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: out of the way, and then he got to the

672
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: linebacker level, he pushed another guy out of the way,

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Speaker 1: and that's how Todd Gurley, all of a sudden, it

674
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: turns a five yard run into a ten yard run.

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Speaker 1: Did they not say on the network tellocast that the

676
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: Rams were the only team in the league and maybe

677
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: the only playoff team. I'm not sure if they differentiated it.

678
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: We're all five of starting offensive lineman played every snap

679
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: during the course of the season. You may be right.

680
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's accurately. They did say that,

681
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: did say that's a big deal, but I guess that's

682
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: my My reply to that is they were able to

683
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: get to the second level because they understood where the

684
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: rush keys were. You know, soeculd be interesting, I think

685
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: to look at the tape again and take a look

686
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: at that and look at our tape and compare and contrast.

687
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: Just hitting the holes in the same spot. And so

688
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: if that's true, just another feather in the cap of

689
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: the offensive line, because when they get it done, you win.

690
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: It's just that simple. Well, yeah, absolutely, And so the

691
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: last thing I'll just point out real quick is that

692
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Speaker 1: the lot of the analysts are indicating that Russian statistics

693
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: are overvalued and and the biggest value in the Russian

694
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: statistics is is uh, when you get a lead at

695
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: the end of the game, being able to rush the ball,

696
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: not in actually uh, you know, getting the head by

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00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: several scores, but in closing out the game. So um so,

698
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's their point was that you

699
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: can't have an over emphasis of the rushing. It's got

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00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: to be a balance. And I'll take a you know,

701
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: listening off the air on that. Thank you guys, All right, Phil,

702
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Well, you look at what the

703
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: Saints did against the Eagles, and they were trailing at

704
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: the time, but they put together what was it in

705
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: eleven play It seemed like it was a thirty five

706
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: minute drive. I'm exaggerating. A priest said after the game

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00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: he was told that because of the four penalties against

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00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: the Saints on that touchdown drive, they actually went a

709
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen yards. Well, yeah, I'm sure if you

710
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: add all of that up. I'm looking it up right

711
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: now to just see these specifics. Because a running game

712
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: benefits you in both aspects of what you're talking about.

713
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: It can help you drain clock and control the game

714
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: and allow you to milk that lead, or it can

715
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: allow you to be balanced, keeping a defense on their

716
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: heels at the beginning of the game so that you

717
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: can acquire a lead. The running game is a win

718
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: no matter what part of the game you're talking about.

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00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the point here. I I agree with

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00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: the numbers that say, oh, you know, team runs for

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00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty yards, chances are they probably won the

722
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: game because they will milking the clock and using the

723
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: run and inflated their running stats. I understand that argument,

724
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: but that's not the crux of the point. The crux

725
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: of the point is if you have a terrific running game,

726
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: it helps you at every single turn during the four

727
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: quarters of the contest period eighteen plays ninety two yards,

728
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: eleven and a half minutes, and then most important, by

729
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: the way, it was capped off with a touchdown. Because

730
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: eighteen plays nine two yards, the clock in the field

731
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: goal does not look nearly as attractive as a touchdown.

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00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: But here's what I'll add to what you said, Reminding

733
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: people of the Giants Bills Super Bowl. In Super Bowl,

734
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: Anderson and company, I want right down the field and

735
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: just basically ate up the whole quarter. But to me,

736
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: time of possession is great. What you do with it

737
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: though much more important that that's the biggest thing. See

738
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: the Saints, they won the battle in time of possession,

739
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: but they did something with it. They had results to show.

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00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: What I will add to your point is, yes, running

741
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: the football is key because you can wear down the

742
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: opposing defense, which is synonymous with milking the clock. Also

743
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: the ability to take pressure off of your quarterback. But

744
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: here's another thing. Open up play action because now all

745
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when you get the defense to commit

746
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: to the run, Paul, now you're having opportunities within your

747
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 1: playbook to say, Okay, now they're emphasizing the run. They're

748
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: over committing to the run on defense. Now we'll catch

749
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: them off guard. Case in point, the Cowboys, I thought

750
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett made on the right decision by kicking off deep.

751
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: They had three time outs. It was the two minute

752
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: warf Okay, it was still the one possession game. Listen,

753
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: anybody wants to call up talk about strategy out debat

754
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: your left and right, because I completely disagree with the

755
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: opposite philosophy. So the Cowboys put the Rams Paul in

756
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: a situation where it was third and seven, and you

757
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: make the stop, you're forced the punt. You still have

758
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: ample enough time to get a possession. Doesn't mean they're

759
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: gonna win the game or tie it whatever. You just

760
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: you want the possession back right third and seven. You're

761
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna tell me you want to take that situation where

762
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: you put the opposite team in the third and seven.

763
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 1: So what happens on that third and seven play? Paul?

764
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: They ran play action because the Rams were gutting the

765
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense the entire game. Cowboys defense. Bit, watch everybody

766
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: shift to the right. If you go back and watch

767
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: that point, everybody Cowboys defense, Paul moves to the right.

768
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: So Jared Goff rolls out of the pocket, he sees

769
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: the opening. Everybody's late to recover, and the quarterback of

770
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: all players, you give up that seven yard run too.

771
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: So that's a key point in the game to the

772
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: last caller's point, where yes, you should be able to

773
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: run the football to close out the game. But also

774
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: the presence of the run game keeps the d defense

775
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: on its toes. And I thought the Rams executed that

776
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: to perfection because they knew, all right, the Cowboys are

777
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: anticipating the run and God got him exactly where they

778
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: wanted to and he was able to run through the hole. Now,

779
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: was bad execution by the Cowboys defense, I'm not excusing that,

780
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: but the selling of play action to meet Paul helped

781
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: seal that game for the Rams. Well, the amazing part

782
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: is C. J. Anderson has come in and provided this

783
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: one to punch with Girly to the point where it

784
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who's in the backfield. Now you have to

785
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: respect that Golf can call anything with anybody back there.

786
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: And that's what makes them so dangerous right now at

787
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: this point in time, because they can go to any

788
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: part of their playbook no matter who is on the field,

789
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: and they can keep you on your heels. And that's

790
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Well, Anderson and Girle each had

791
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: over a hundred yards rushing and they were the fourth

792
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: duo to accomplish that in the last thirty years of

793
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: NFL postseason history. So that tells it awful lot and

794
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: it also is an example of why it's important c. C. J.

795
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Anderson has been with a few teams this seas in

796
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: and he came in late to the Rams because Malcolm Brown,

797
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: their backup, got hurt. It was an opportunity to bring Anderson.

798
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: But Anderson physically, Paul is a different running back than Todd,

799
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. So what you're doing is you're giving

800
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: the defense a different look and a different tone in

801
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: terms of the running game. And that's why I think

802
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: it works so effectively. Their perfect compliments to one another.

803
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Let's head back to the phone lines two

804
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 1: zero five, one three. Antonio is in Manhattan. Antonio, welcome

805
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: to the program. But gap for us, Hey, what's going

806
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: on going on? Paul? Alright, it's a good day to

807
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: be a Giants fan because now the nfcas is efficiently

808
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: eliminated from the playoffs. That's one way to look at that.

809
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: Monday has been really great. Um, I just need the

810
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Patriots now to lose. I don't really have anything that's

811
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots as far as the Giants, but as a

812
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: New Yorker, you just don't want you England to win.

813
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: So Ba's to my next team? Did he takes care

814
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: of them just for bragging right purposes? It's a Northeast

815
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: rivalry kind of thing, you know. Mr Nobody in Boston

816
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: to New York wants the other guys to win. But

817
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: to that, like rooting for anybody right now, I'm rooting

818
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: for good football. How about that I have a good

819
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: competitive football football For the exception of that, you know,

820
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: I it was the only game that was really hard

821
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: for me to watch. It was the charges game against

822
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: the Patriots because they just got out coach. But let

823
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: me just let me talk about about the Giants. You know,

824
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: looking at the at the Cowboys, I'm looking at the Eagles,

825
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit concerned. I feel like we're two

826
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: years behind those two teams or I mean, unless we

827
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: have some amazing draft, because we do have the draft,

828
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: uh the numbers, we do have the draft picks, we

829
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of draft picks. Um. I just

830
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: I like what Jerry Jones doing had done with the Cowboys.

831
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: The front seven for them is really good. They're the

832
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: defensive lineman defensive line obviously, we know it's really good.

833
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: And I just see the Giant. I just don't see

834
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: us making that leap in one year where we're gonna

835
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: fix our offensive line, where a defensive line is going

836
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: to be a threat, especially the edge of rushers, and

837
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna have linebackers they're going to be flying on

838
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: the field. Do you guys think that we could turn

839
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: around in one year or if it's more like a

840
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: two year Probably it is a two year turnaround. But

841
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: they've already gone through one year and made tremendous strides.

842
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: So I think this year coming up can be part

843
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: two of that two year plan. I don't think the

844
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: gap is going to be very wide at all. But

845
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: here's what I will say. The Cowboys got very very

846
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: lucky with Smith and vander esh too terrific linebacker. Here's

847
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: why they got lucky. Both guys were coming off of

848
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: injuries in college, and both guys dropped significantly in the

849
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: draft because of their injuries. Everybody knew, no, no, no,

850
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: no time out, time out, time out. But they thought,

851
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: as I said to you before, about the personnel profile

852
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: on these guys. Everybody gets that that profile, and part

853
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: of the profile the medical sheet says, oh K, this

854
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: is what this guy has gone through. What do we

855
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: think the risk reward is? Now? They were shrewd in

856
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: that they decided to take the gamble on two linebackers

857
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: and back to back years who would come off significant

858
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: injury played collegiate careers. Now that was a risk reward thing.

859
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: They took the gamble. You can credit them for taking

860
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: the gamble, But now on the other side of that coin,

861
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: they gotta be lucky enough that it pays off. So

862
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: I give them credit for taking the plunge, but they

863
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: also need some luck then that the injuries are not

864
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: going to substantially hamper those guys NFL careers. As it's

865
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: turned out, they were lucky in both factors because both

866
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: guys are playing as if they never got hurt. Well,

867
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't make the case Paul though, and we always

868
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: say this, the draft is in an exact science, so

869
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: you're taking a risk with just about whether healthy or not.

870
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: And as you have medical red flags, neither one of

871
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: those players, if they were healthy, would have it available

872
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: where Dallas picked that well late in Vander esh we're

873
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: not talking about as serious. Jalen Smith was a very

874
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: significant injury to me. He and Vanders are not in

875
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: the same boat when we were there. When John and

876
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: I were at the Combine last year, we were told, no,

877
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: there's no doubt Smith's was worse. Yeah, I agree with

878
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: that that Vander when we were to combine, we have

879
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: been told by all the different people who were on

880
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: our shows that Randers would definitely be a higher pick

881
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: if he was healthy. But the injury questions, we're gonna

882
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: hurt his stock, well, the question, I guess. My point

883
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: is I think Jalen Smith was much more of a

884
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: fortunate roll of the dice in favor of the Cowboys,

885
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: and they also were the most They were also the

886
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: mindset similar to the Giants taking Sam Beale of we're

887
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: gonna red shirt the kid and we're gonna hope that

888
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: he pans out the following year, whereas a guy like

889
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: he was. Yes, so they did have a little bit

890
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: more knowledge. Correct, that's a very good point they used.

891
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: But but no question. But here's another example that I

892
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: want to bring up why I think there's us risk

893
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: reward in almost any pick. Derwin James Paul who went

894
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: to the Chargers. Now he was an injury, he was

895
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: more baggage off the field. Yes, so I would argue

896
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: Derwin James is one of the steels of the first

897
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: round this year. We're talking about player, So you could

898
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: argue if he didn't have the baggage, he could have

899
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: gotten higher. But they'll take they'll take the risk reward

900
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: plunge on a guy and then they crossed their fingers

901
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: and say, well, we hope we get lucky and that

902
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: it works out. That's all I'm saying. They took two

903
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: guys who were now part of the heart of their

904
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: defense and part of the reasons why their defense is

905
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: so dramatically improved, and both of them got took Dallas's

906
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: spot in part because there was an injury risk reward.

907
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: They were the ones, to their credit who took the plunge,

908
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: and it's paid off. That's all I'm saying. Now, you're

909
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: bigger point, Antonio about well, the Giants two to three

910
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: years behind them. We we've seen teams make quick changes,

911
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: it quick turnarounds, but a lot of it is the

912
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: players fulfilling the potential of how they were looked upon

913
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: before the season begins. Case in point. You know the Cowboys,

914
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: for example, Antoine Woods is a guy they brought in

915
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. He's not a household named Antoine

916
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: once has had a really solid season for them, but

917
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: he's an undrafted guy that they brought in via free agency.

918
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: So my point is, sometimes your process can be accelerated.

919
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: In addition to the draft, you take a flyer on

920
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: an undrafted guy who went from team to team, didn't

921
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: pan out, he's a better fit for your system, he explodes,

922
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you get good play out

923
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: of that. You know, the same thing with the Eagles,

924
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: for example. Another example would be what Philadelphia did Antonio.

925
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: They brought in some guys late in the season, Cravon

926
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: le Blanc, who was you know, kicked around from team

927
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: to team, and he actually played quite well in the

928
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: postseason to help them get past the Chicago Bears. Now,

929
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's gonna happen all the time,

930
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: but sometimes you get fortunate with some of the chances

931
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: you take an undrafted players. Combined with the draft, you

932
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: just gotta hopefully find some of those gems that other

933
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: team have a hard time finding for themselves. One more

934
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: thing for you guys, you know I did Mario Davis

935
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: got the gap signed as a free agent for the

936
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: Saint I don't think his contract was too recreative. Um

937
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: that that was a very smart pick up by them. Absolutely,

938
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: Who do you guys, who do you guys like think

939
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: that we should be targeting this free agency? Um? You know,

940
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: maybe a name that's not a big household name, but

941
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: you know we'll be a good pick up for the Giants,

942
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: and I'll town listen to you guys off the phone.

943
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, guys, All right, Antonio, appreciate the

944
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in. Paul and I.

945
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: Last week we were asked a question more about pass rushers,

946
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: and I brought up the name Shane Ray because he

947
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: was a high pick for the Broncos. He's fallen out

948
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: of circulation there. I still think he has some potential

949
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: and upside, So that would be somebody that I recommended

950
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: who maybe you don't have to break up in the

951
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: piggy bank for is looking for a fresh start. Would

952
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: be somebody to look into. You also need to examine

953
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: what transpired in Denver, what he would do for your

954
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: locker room. All those things are ordin to examine before

955
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: you get into it. I personally have not examined the

956
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: entire free agency class as much as Paul has, so

957
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: it's hard for me off the top of my head,

958
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you have a few names, Paul,

959
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: that you would classify es under the radar. We talked

960
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: about the pass rush guys. Last week we talked about

961
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Bobby Massey of the Bears is the best offensive right

962
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: jackle On on the board. Um for me, if you

963
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: were looking for a free safety, I wrote down Amos

964
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: from the Bears, Clinton Dix from the Redskins, and Boston

965
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: from the Cardinals as guys who I would think about, uh,

966
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, doing some talking with Uh. Joinner is making

967
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: already eleven million from the Rams. Now he's gonna want

968
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: more than that. I'm sure he's gonna want to raise

969
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: so I don't think that's gonna happen well. And Joiner

970
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: also is a player that you could put its corner.

971
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Remember he started his career as the slot corner and

972
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: then we've moved to show. I don't see I don't

973
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: see anybody who's looking for a reasonable deal getting their

974
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: hands on Joinner. But you know, for example, somebody like

975
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: Trey Boston, though he's a Cardinals, he's got he's got

976
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: a not a reputation but a connection to beat familiarity.

977
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: I could see Trey Boston potentially being somebody who, you know,

978
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: if you were the Giants, you might want to talk

979
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: to us to him. You know, there's another name I'm

980
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: looking at the free agent list, and this is the

981
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: cornerback position. Jason Varette, who has been hurt the last

982
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: two seasons for the Chargers. I don't know what l

983
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: A Is thinking of in terms of his future, only

984
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: because actually they've performed quite well each of the last

985
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: two seasons and he's barely played. So if he moves on,

986
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy also a lot of upside

987
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft. You gotta look into the

988
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: injury history. Maybe once again you don't have to break

989
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: up in the piggy bank. That would be a guy

990
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: that I will look at in terms of the cornerback position.

991
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm glancing really at this for the first time because personally,

992
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm still in playoff mode and paying much more attention

993
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: to how things play out there corners. I had Bryce

994
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: Callahan be like that him as a guy who I

995
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: would definitely want to talk to if I if I

996
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: were looking for a corner um and I'm looking at

997
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: the safety list now, well, the safety list I already gave,

998
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, he gave. Yeah, I'm just looking if there's

999
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: anybody else that catches my eye that I think would

1000
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: be worth taking a flyer with. I mean, and to

1001
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't I don't know the

1002
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: Chiefs are gonna do with Steven Nelson. You know, that's

1003
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 1: a corner, That's a corner that I would certainly consider

1004
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: talking to if I was looking for a free agent. Well,

1005
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: and then but I don't I don't know that, I

1006
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: don't know that they're not going to resign him. Then

1007
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: the two premier guys are more household name guys that

1008
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: are gonna be hitting free agency unless they resigned. Is haha.

1009
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix who was traded to the Redskins, he mentioned,

1010
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: did free agency safety. Now you're going back to safety back,

1011
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: That's what I'm focusing on. And then also Kenny macarlo,

1012
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: who signed with the Titans right before the season has left.

1013
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: Just thrown out what Dix is interesting because he played

1014
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: at Alabama and him and Landing Collins obviously know each

1015
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: other really well. I mean, that would be that would

1016
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: be kind of interesting, wouldn't it. That would be some reunion,

1017
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: I would say. But that's why we jokingly have referred

1018
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: to the Redskins as pretty much in Alabama reunion. Look

1019
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: at how many guys they've dressed and have played together,

1020
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: not just safety, the defensive line and so forth. Let's

1021
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: add back to the phone lines. Coach Marvin is in Delaware.

1022
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, welcome to the program. What do you gaffer us?

1023
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: How are you? How are you doing all right? How

1024
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing good? I'm doing star. I just

1025
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: wanted to say quick to a listener my son Jamal.

1026
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Doctory just want to say happy birthday to him? Real quick? Well,

1027
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: happy birthday to your son. Is he watching the show? Uh?

1028
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: He listens to the show. Very good. Enjoy enjoy the cake. Yeah.

1029
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: He played for me for he played for me in

1030
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: um when he was in Pop Warner and that the

1031
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: high school. Okay, excellent. Yeah, he appreciates the way you

1032
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: guys treat me, so he enjoys themself. But he's a

1033
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: Patriot and he's more of a Patriots fans. That's okay.

1034
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: One thing we know is that he knows the game. UM.

1035
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: What I wanted to go talk talk a little bit

1036
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: about what this past weekend's game. UM, a little bit

1037
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: of what Lance was talking about. The play where umu

1038
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: the Rams came up with that last play on that

1039
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: Burden seven. I think it was a good call. I

1040
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: think they caught them in a Dallas was selling out

1041
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: on that play they went, they went man deman, but

1042
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: they didn't notice when they went bunch And I really

1043
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: didn't notice it until this morning when they brought it

1044
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: up and showed that film this morning. Um McVeigh put

1045
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: in a tight end rather than use it. Uh, he did.

1046
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: He did a bunch formation and he cut them in

1047
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: man demand and that's what opened it up for him

1048
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: to make that runs that they were in man demand.

1049
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: So that was a great call on them. But coach Marvin,

1050
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, any time you go up against the speedy

1051
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: defense that's aggressive in pursuit, you always want to get

1052
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: them flowing the other way. Yeah, you want their eyes

1053
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: going in different ways. And then then Paul, and not

1054
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: to say Last don't appreciate, because I think he does.

1055
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: But I say Paul because Paul those schools and I'm

1056
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: old school. Well, I like the correnches. I've also emphasized

1057
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: the trenches here. This is not a one way conversation. Well,

1058
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disrespect you, Last, because you know

1059
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: a lot and you studied your game and appreciate the

1060
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: novice you have. Um the running game that the Rams

1061
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: showed it, it shows how beautiful a football game can

1062
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: be when you can run the ball. And how much

1063
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: it opens up your offense. Not only you control the cloud,

1064
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: you can you control the tempo um. It opens up

1065
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: the playbooks, you can you can do almost anything you

1066
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: want once you start doing that. And I think what

1067
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: they did that was very done their part and Manday,

1068
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: you've got to give them credit. And you know, these

1069
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: very uh creative the jet we were killing the h

1070
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: It was sharing them to the point they were scared

1071
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: of it. And that softened them up in the middle

1072
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: because every time they run those options, and it was

1073
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: like three different things going on. Giving the play you

1074
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: had the jet, you can you can have the uh

1075
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: lead run off the jet, then you can boot off

1076
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: the jet. There was so much for and on that

1077
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: it was. It was messing with the cowboys eyes and

1078
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: and then and it caused their feet to stand still

1079
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: for seconds in the game. Once you can get a

1080
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: defender speak to stand still only for a second or so,

1081
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: he got a disadvantage. And I think that's what opened

1082
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: up their game, is that they came at them in

1083
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: all kinds of directions. And the running game is beautiful

1084
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: once you can start doing that. Yeah, the misdirection absolutely

1085
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: killed the Cowboys. I think that's an excellent point. The

1086
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: Rams were moving guys around and Dallas had no idea

1087
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: what was coming, right because that yet sweep. You're running

1088
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: east and west. But they utilize with their speed. Every

1089
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: team can't do it. I don't think the Giants did.

1090
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: That type of team can do it with their speed.

1091
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: They can run sideways, and they utilize the old fields.

1092
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: They don't utilize sections of the field. They make their

1093
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: defense play the old That's true. Very difficult to play

1094
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: defense when teams can do that. To the point is

1095
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: fearful and you had and it makes you shape. Yeah,

1096
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they were shaking in their boots

1097
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: what the Rams to do to them. And the beauty

1098
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: of it that to Loan Marvin, is also that their

1099
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: offensive line can get to the second level. The Rams

1100
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: offensive line, So when a linebacker or or a safety,

1101
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: it's coming down on the box. If they're leaning the

1102
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: wrong way, if they try to get back and recover,

1103
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: they get caught in the wash. That's right, that's right,

1104
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: And that's that's where the angles in football plays a

1105
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: big role. That's why I always trying to teach angles,

1106
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: and that's where the Rams were getting advantage because, as

1107
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: you said, Paul, they were moving in those directions when

1108
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: they when they didn't really have to, and they were

1109
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: giving the offensive line me a better angle, no question.

1110
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: And that's what that's why you had those gaping holes

1111
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: in there, because they're getting out of position in the

1112
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: offensive line. They hit the second level. You don't have

1113
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: to do much to geep you out there, and that's

1114
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: where those holes were opening up. Oh my goodness. You

1115
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: know what it is, morn. Old guys like us, we

1116
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: see the beauty and the poetry in those plays, but

1117
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: the video game generation only sees the beauty and throwing

1118
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: the passages. That's the problem. Yeah. I love the running

1119
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 1: game when it's running that way, and that's the old

1120
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: school football that will never die and you will always

1121
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: have to do it to win. And and towing the football.

1122
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: It's good, but it's not what's gonna always win the

1123
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: game for you. And then it's gonna be more consistent

1124
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: if you can run the ball. Um My, my other

1125
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: point I wanted to make this The caller was talking

1126
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: about something Mouse thinking about is watching the last two

1127
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: weeks the Cowboys and the Eagles. They they do have

1128
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster. I look at that roster and

1129
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: they do have some The NFC each is there's pretty

1130
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: much coming back to what it used to be. And

1131
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: they they they are too fine football teams. And they

1132
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: and uh, the Eagles, I think a well coach. I

1133
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are kind of like go back and forth,

1134
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: hot and cold. When they do what they need to

1135
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: do with the talent they have, they can be good coaches.

1136
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: But then sometimes they get the filling themselves and doing

1137
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: things said you know, you know the Cowboys. Well, the

1138
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: two things that the two things that both of those

1139
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: teams have in common and appreciate the call coach marvit

1140
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: takes so much for weighing in is the offensive line

1141
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: and the defensive lines are in pretty good shape. And

1142
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: that's why those two teams had really good second half

1143
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: of the season. All three teams, the Giants, the Cowboys,

1144
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: and the Eagles were all better second half teams than

1145
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: they were in the first half of the season. Only

1146
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: the Redskins in the division went the other way. Cripples, Yeah,

1147
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: they got cripple. I mean Washington was down to the

1148
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: fourth string quarterback, third string offensive but by mid season

1149
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: it didn't look like any team in the NFC East

1150
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: really deserved to go to the playoffs. But by the

1151
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: end of the season, the way the Cowboys and the

1152
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Eagles caught fire, especially in December, you understand now why

1153
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: those guys gave people some trouble. Yeah, and that's another

1154
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: reason why you can't judge a team based on the

1155
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: first two to three games of the season. Also, everybody

1156
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: loves to run with the hot takes after two to

1157
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: three games. Sometimes it takes five games. I mean the Eagles,

1158
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: they started off four and six and then they served

1159
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: one and did the Cowboys. Sometimes it takes some time

1160
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: until you start. The Scott is in New Mexico. Scott,

1161
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: welcome aboard. What do you got, hi, guys, how you're

1162
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: doing to that? Excuse me question? I have concerns the

1163
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: playoff teams. Excuse me, don't get over emotional here. Um

1164
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: two of the quarterbacks. First of all, I think the

1165
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: best four teams made the in the finals, but two

1166
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks are in there for approaching forty uh Radio,

1167
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and Brady play another two or three years.

1168
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: The issue I have is something that still hurts me

1169
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: a little bit with the Dave Getleman comments about not

1170
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: really giving Eli the endorsement because there's been a lot

1171
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: of criticism about how old Eli is and obviously that

1172
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: should be a factor. But this being said, I, for

1173
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: the life we don't understand why Dave would not give

1174
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: Eli sort of a little bit more. I don't know

1175
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: credence in regards to being a starter for next year,

1176
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: and I was wondering if this really comes down to

1177
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: a salary cap issue more so than an Eli issue,

1178
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: and also if that's the case, can they restructure it,

1179
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: because even if the Giants draft a quarterback, which I

1180
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: think they should this year, I still think Eli has

1181
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: at least another year, maybe a year and a half

1182
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: to play. And I think it's kind of unfair on

1183
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: his part, on Day's part not to give Eli more

1184
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: of a ringing endorsement based on what you see in

1185
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs with the two quarterbacks, because it's unfair. The

1186
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: Giants didn't have a complete team as these other teams

1187
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: New Orleans and New England did. They had both offense

1188
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: and defense, and I was wondering what you're ends were

1189
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: on this, and hopefully maybe you can give me some

1190
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: insight into what the thinking Scott Dave Getleman went as

1191
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: far as he could possibly go to totally in endorse

1192
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: lie Manning. And the reason that he did not actually

1193
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: make that little extra step is because he can't. He

1194
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: believes in mythology, he believes in due diligence, he believes

1195
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: in doing things by the system. There's no way he

1196
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: was going to come out and say of any player,

1197
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: and he told us this at the beginning of the

1198
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: press conference. I'm not gonna discuss anybody's roster status. He

1199
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: is not going to be unfair to any player on

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: that team, any member that coaching staff, any of them

1201
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: by coming out and saying that one particular player is

1202
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: guaranteed to be my starter next year. He had not

1203
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: talked to his coaches at the time of the press conference.

1204
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: He had not done his film study at the time

1205
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: of the press conference, and said to everybody, I need

1206
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: to go study the films because I I forget things

1207
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: sometimes during the season. I watched every play, but I

1208
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: need to make sure that I know what I saw

1209
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: before I actually say something. If Dave Gettleman had said

1210
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: about any player that guy's gonna be starting for our

1211
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: team comes September, he would have been out on line,

1212
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: he could not say that. Having explained that to you,

1213
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: he said everything he could possibly say coming short of

1214
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: that line. By telling you that Eli Manning is going

1215
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: to be his guy. He said, if you look at

1216
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: the statistics on paraphrasing, I don't know the quote, Eli's

1217
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: numbers weren't too shabby. That was one of the comments

1218
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: he could make all the NFL throws. So you know,

1219
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he did throw out some compliments regarding Eli Manning.

1220
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: But to your point, you're right, Scott. He didn't come

1221
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: out and say Eli Manning is the starting quarterback at

1222
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. He would have been disingenuine to do

1223
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: it. It It would not have been fair to his coaches

1224
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: or his players to do so. He could not do it. Well.

1225
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: The other thing that I was going to add is,

1226
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: to your point, Paul, he was asked about Olivier Vernon

1227
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: and Generoras Jenkins. I don't know if you recall this, Scott.

1228
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: In the press conference, somebody asked him, what do you

1229
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: make of their two seasons? You know, would you potentially

1230
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: move on something to that point? And he said, you

1231
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: know what, I'm not going to comment on any player.

1232
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: And the reason I bring that up if Dave Gettleman

1233
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: gave commentary on certain players and then not Eli. I

1234
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: think your point is a little bit taken strongly. Scott. Well,

1235
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: you gave Olivier Vernon the seal of approval, you gave

1236
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: General's Jenkins the seal of approval. Why not do the

1237
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: same Forelick. But he really held steady Scott across the board.

1238
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. And I've brought this up

1239
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: on this show, and if I sound like a broken record,

1240
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: I apologize. But the NFL is so fluid and I'm

1241
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: not indicating that they're gonna move on from Eli. But

1242
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: if you're Dave Gettleman, you don't know who's gonna call

1243
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: you next week, you don't know what's gonna happen with injuries.

1244
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: You just don't know how the rookies are gonna play

1245
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: out the free agent market. So if he comes out

1246
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: and he says ELI managed my starting quarterback in two

1247
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen a weekend to January, and then something completely

1248
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: different happens in March, then all of a sudden, everybody's

1249
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna bring up the commentary in January and he doesn't

1250
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: really gain anything from that. So I think that's also

1251
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: part of them. This he had said, and I want

1252
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: to make this part again, very very very clear. He

1253
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: had said he had not talked to any of assist

1254
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: coaches or members of the coaching staff about their evaluations.

1255
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: Their gradge was still to come over the course of

1256
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: the week. If he comes out and says about any

1257
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: one player that that's going to be a starting player

1258
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: in September, how does he looked at assistant coach or

1259
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: head coach in the eye later on, three days later

1260
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: and say, well, let me see your evaluation. That evaluation

1261
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: is worthless. If he's already made the proclamation, how can

1262
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: he do that through his coaches? That would be wrong. Well,

1263
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: the only reason I'm bringing any of this up I

1264
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: understand there was a a morning show that Eli was on,

1265
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: and I guess he was asked some questions and Eli

1266
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: came back with an answer he wasn't sure he was

1267
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: going to be in the starting quarterback for the Giants

1268
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: next year. The conversation that Getleman and Eli had, both

1269
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: guys said they were going to keep it private. But

1270
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: I am sure that Gettleman told Eli as he told us,

1271
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: he told him the same thing he told us Basically,

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Speaker 1: he said he left it with Eli, that I still

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Speaker 1: got to talk to the coaches and I still got

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Speaker 1: to look at the film. I don't don't. To me,

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Speaker 1: that speaks to the integrity of of Dave Gentleman. I

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: applaud him for saying that you're taking it as a negative.

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, God bless the guy. I think that's exactly

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01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: what he should have said. Just like you're asked, he's

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: got what morning show? Did you hear that? Because I

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01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: didn't even see that he did say I thought it

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Speaker 1: was an afternoon a program. Yeah, well, because I know,

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Speaker 1: I know he went on Mike Frances Frances's show on

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Speaker 1: w f A N, but I didn't know that he

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Speaker 1: spoke to another show. I was just curious out of

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01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: me and uh, I just saw it was on Yahoo

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01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: Sports and it said basically that he was asked a question,

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01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: and I guess he answered that he wasn't sure he

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01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: was going to be in the quarterback for the Giant.

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01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: I think not, Dave Scott. The only thing that has

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01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: to be determined, in my opinion, is the mechanism under

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: which Eli is going to return. How do they have

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: to make the mechanism work? I think that's the uncertainty,

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01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: the fact that they want him and he wants to

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: be here. I honestly don't believe there was any question

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01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: about that. I really don't. But again for Dave, just

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01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: about the restructuring of the contract, and that's absolutely possibly.

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01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: I think everything is certainly on the table as an option.

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01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: I would not necessarily rule that out. I mean, you

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: always have to consider that. For example, the press conference

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: got Dave Gettleman was asked, does Eli Manning's contract player role?

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: And he said, well, you can't look at everything in

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01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: a vacuum. You got to take everything into consideration. So

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01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: I think he basically addressed that, not not flat out

1304
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: saying it's going to be restructured, but you always take

1305
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: it to consideration. Just for fun to reach your deal,

1306
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: you have to have both parties agree and and think,

1307
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman sit at the at the at the press

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01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: conference before any of this stuff actually takes place, and

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: say one equivocally that Eli and I are going to

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: agree and we're going to come to the deal. You

1311
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: can't say that he may want it, he may think

1312
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, but he can't say it well and Scott.

1313
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: We'll let you go on that. No, because Robert Scot,

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01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: you got okaciate the vocal that. That's why getting to

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: your point, my interpretation was, I think the conversation was

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01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: there are things that Eli has to think about, and

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: there are things that Dave has to think about. And

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01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: in terms of the mechanism, well just think overall. You

1319
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: can interpret that as you want, but I but I

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: don't think that there was any conclusion at the end

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: of that conversation that this is the end all, be

1322
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: all goal. It was let's talk. They did talk. There

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01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: were things that Dave said that Eli has to digest.

1324
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: There were things that Eli said that I'm sure Dave

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01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: has to digest. That's how I took it away from

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01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: what he said. Now, I didn't see it as a

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01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: negative in any way. No, I think everybody, like anything else, Yeah,

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01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: we got one more call. I think, like anything else,

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01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: everybody is reading into things because there's the unknown. And

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01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: whenever there's the unknown and there's no conclusion, it certainly

1331
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: opens the door for that. Charlie is in Portland, Maine.

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01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: He is sometimes the unknown, but hopefully he'll provide some

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: clarity today. Remember when there is an unknown can't go

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: wrong by throwing out there. No, absolutely, that's the way

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01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: the writers fosters that. Actually, what do you have for

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01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say there is another big baby

1337
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: that's always crying on the sideline and making a you know,

1338
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: a jerk of himself. That's Mr Tom Brady. He's done

1339
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: in a million times. That's a good point. Yeah, no, no,

1340
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, Paul. Would you like

1341
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: to comment on that, great job, Charlie that that is

1342
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: a nice one. Yeah, Tom gets emotional on the sim's

1343
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: got emotional too time. But those guys also showed thick

1344
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 1: enough skin when they had to because they were winners.

1345
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: Both of those guys a championship guys, come right. Here's

1346
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: the point. It shows that when you need to be poised,

1347
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: you can be at the appropriate times. Rivers has never

1348
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: shown that to me. Well, let's say he is Brady's

1349
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: one his whole career pretty much. You can you imagine

1350
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: if he was on the losing end and he's still

1351
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: put all those tantrums when he wins, he would be horrible.

1352
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: But he was losing, he did what he had to

1353
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: do most times in order to make those victories possible. Yeah, Well,

1354
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: the thing is is the problem is is if you

1355
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: don't hit Brady, if you don't rush him, go through

1356
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: the whistle, hit this guy, he's gonna tear your part.

1357
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: And the stupid Charges couldn't even get near the guy.

1358
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,879
Speaker 1: That's why we beat him twice because we put pressure

1359
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: on him. He's an ordinary quarterback. When you hit him, well,

1360
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't like to get hit. I doesn't like to

1361
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: keep picking Offalie. I think that's a fair point. I

1362
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: would say that I think the Chargers had the personnel

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: to get after Brady. They had Melvin Ingram and they

1364
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: had Joey Bosa. But if you watch that game, and

1365
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 1: it's the same thing I said about the Rams offensive line.

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01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: They were pushing back Melvin Ingram in that game, unlike

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01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: any other offensive line I've seen all season or to

1368
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: the league. So he was a non factor. But you

1369
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: gotta give New England credit for their execution. See when

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01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: we say, well you gotta get pressure on Tom Brady. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Charlie. That's the game plan. But

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01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: if you can't execute, it's great saying it, But you

1373
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: gotta give New England's offensive line credit. They completely neutralized

1374
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: the Charger's pass rush. It was non existent. Yeah, well

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01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: it's because they were running and running and passes the

1376
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: white hole the whole day exactly because Brady was getting

1377
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: rid of the football quickly. You're right, and they were

1378
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: also pounding the football, right. But the thing is that

1379
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: to pay this defense is horrible. They even point and

1380
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm just saying that Kansas City

1381
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: is gonna put forty points on these dudes. Well, they

1382
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: already did, but New England also put on Kansas City.

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna win. Well, Charlie, you're right, Kansas City already

1384
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: put forty on New England. They met earlier this season,

1385
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: but New England scored Kansas City, so they're not gonna

1386
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: put They're not going to do it this time. All

1387
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 1: they got just hit Brady through the whistle. I don't

1388
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: care if he's already throwing the ball. You hit him, yeah,

1389
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: and then and then you get hit with unnecessary roughmans anymore.

1390
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: Then he becomes an ordinary quarter. Probably got to be careful.

1391
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: It's like, when are we going to get an offensive

1392
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: line like the Rams? That's what we need. I mean

1393
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: went Worth, We could have had Wentworth. How about Whitworth.

1394
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Whitworth than Whitworth. I love Charlie and

1395
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: he's going through the second line and knocking people down. Charlie,

1396
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. Are you a fan

1397
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: of Andrew Whitworth or Andrew Wentworth? I just wanted clarification.

1398
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: Who do he takes a better offensive line? The guy

1399
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: that plays Kay Charlie A lot of things about timing,

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01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: and at the timing that Whitworth was, Whitworth was available,

1401
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: he did this. The salary was exorbitant. They did not

1402
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 1: have cap room for it. They were worried about his age.

1403
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: And look at it now, to be honest with your soldiers,

1404
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: thirty Whitworth is thirty seven. The Rams were much closer

1405
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: to being a Super Bowl contender than the Giants were,

1406
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: so it paid off for them. I don't know how

1407
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: much longer Whitworth is gonna play, but chances are Soldiers

1408
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: got a few more years to go on his career.

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: They Whitworth off, so they probably were better off in

1410
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: the long run of signing Solder because he'll be around

1411
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: when the Giants are still good and Whitworth is gonna

1412
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: be long. We're tired from the rams you would think

1413
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: at seven. I mean, you know, in any event, if

1414
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: he was a Super Bowl, he'll probably retire. I would anyway.

1415
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: And the other thing is if if Scott in New Mexico, look,

1416
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: if you know when he's Shaman's in New Mexico, go

1417
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: do a vision quest and find what the Giants are

1418
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: going to do in two thousand nineteen and come back

1419
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: and report. Take care of prise. You're not inviting him mean,

1420
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: and then you could give him your own interpretation of

1421
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 1: what transpired. Whitworth, by the way, was with the Bengals

1422
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 1: for so many years, so he finally got over the

1423
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: hump and got a playoff victory because he's been in

1424
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs a few times. They just haven't been to

1425
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: get out of the first round. So that was certainly

1426
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: a notable achievement as well. But leaving up to Charlie

1427
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: too not be able to value the guy enough that

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01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: he'd get his last name correctly. That's why I always

1429
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: love about it. Great player, but I know who cares

1430
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: about his last name. I'll do the circumstance, all right.

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Speaker 1: so hopefully you tune in as we go over the

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: ins and outs of the Giants offseason as well as

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Speaker 1: the NFL playoffs. For Paula Tino, I'm Lance Meadow will

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Speaker 1: speak to you tomorrow right here on Giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: Have a good one