1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:00,560 Speaker 1: Warning. 2 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for the excellent penultimate episode of 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: season two of the Last of Us. 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: On Max Watch It It's Coming. 5 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: It's Jason gets Epsy on and on Wesday Night. And 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Exervision of the podcast where we diabe 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: vide your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. Come 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: are you from my art podcast, where we're bringing you 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: three episodes a week on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday plus. 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 3: Games plus news. 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: In today's episode is episode six of The Lost of 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 4: Us Season two. 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: Oh Baby. If you've been missing Joel, He's back. Guess what. 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: He's back. Everything's facking's fun. 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: If you've been missing crying watching this show, guess what 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: You're gonna cry again? 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: And Yeah, if you. 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: Want to know our theories going into the finale, which 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 4: we have not seen, I just want to double lee 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: say that we have not seen it. 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: You will hear those two. So let's get into it. 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: We open on a flashback to the Four Times. It's 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three Tommy and Jewel Or teens in Austin, Texas. 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: The boys have just gotten in trouble for a fight, 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: apparently around a pot deal their dad Tommy and Joel's dad, 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: Jack Ducane, the swordsman. Oh my god, unexpectedly Jack. 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: This is a very depressing like opening. It's really not 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: you're going to get into it. It's so depressing. 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: But immediately I was like, it's a swordsman again. 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: And he got out of the cage and red hook it. 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: And now he's a cop. I don't like to be 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: in a to being a swordsman guy. 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: So their dad is saying to Joel, stop trying to 34 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: cover for your brother. I know it was you. I 35 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: got reports from the other officers who were on the scene, 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 2: and then dad proceeds to tell a story about how 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: he once stole a candy bar and his dad, their 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: grandfather broke his punch him in the face so hardy 39 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: broke his jaw, and the lesson that he is trying. 40 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: With tears in his eyes. It's terrible story. 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: But he's like he knows he's a bad dad at least. 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I get it. 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: There's a child of immigrants and the generations. Yeah, like, 44 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: you know they beat your ass. 45 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: That we got will they would beat your ass back 46 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 3: in the day. 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: Let's not talk about it. 48 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: But a three it was a bad time. 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: I was not. I was like, you're bad, dad, but 50 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 3: I do. 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: I like. 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: His basic message was. 53 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: Like yeah, which is like, I'm doing better than my dad. 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: I'm not breaking. 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: I'm just like beating with a belt or something like yeah, 56 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 4: but you know, I'm doing my best. 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: I'm doing my best, and. 58 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 2: He's he leaves Joel and us with I'm doing a 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: little better than my father, did. I hope you do 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: a little better than me. We fast forward to Jackson. 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: It is the year of Ellie's fifteenth birthday and Seth 62 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: is contracted with Joel to provide a cake in return 63 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: for a bag of legos which Joel has scavenged from 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: around Jackson. We find out Seth is a former walkie cop. 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: I like that. 66 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: Seth is like, well, I couldn't scavenge those legos, and 67 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: Joel was like, well, I'm a smuggler. And in my 68 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: head I'm thinking, like Joel's like killed a family Mike, 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 4: like somewhere else to get the legos. 70 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, there's. 71 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 4: Only a reason why Joel could get them and you couldn't. 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: But you know, it's a sweet moment. 73 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: I'm glad. 74 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, legos are cool. 75 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: I love Lego. 76 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: Joel goes home and is working a piece of bone 77 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: that he found somewhere into the saddle. 78 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: For the brig of an acoustic guitar. 79 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: He then works a beautiful moth into the neck of 80 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: the guitar, which he inlays with the bone, and the 81 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: guitar sounds great. Tommy brings Ellie home. Ellie has burned 82 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: her arm on purpose, clearly to cover the bite scars, 83 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 2: and she says like, I just really wanted to wear 84 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: short sleeves again. 85 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: You know what I have to say This moment, just 86 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 4: of Joel being so worried for Ellie and Ellie kind 87 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 4: of feeling guilty about upsetting Joel but explaining why she 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: did what she did. This really just honed in on 89 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: how great these two are together and how I think 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: that the show does a better job when the two 91 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 4: of them are together. And that's not to say there's 92 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: a version of the show without Joel that wouldn't work. 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 4: I just think that this episode shows that the focus 94 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 4: of the show was always supposed to be Joel, and 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: without Joel, I feel like they're a little bit less impactful. 96 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things that this excellent 97 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: heartbreaking episode of the Last of Us had me thinking, 98 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: was we need one of these for Dina, people who 99 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: are Jesse, who are still Jesse, for the people Abby, 100 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: for the people who are still in our story. So 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: later on they have the birthday party. Joel brings out 102 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: the cake. It's not chocolate. Ellie's name is spelled wrong, 103 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: but whatever, We're gonna move past that. 104 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: He gives Ellie the guitar. Ellie is like, well, it's 105 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: my birthday. 106 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: You got to sing something She hasn't learned how to 107 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: play yet, and so Joel sings if I ever were 108 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: to lose you by pearl jam, which is generationally correct 109 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: for Joel. Ellie is super impressed and Joel And there's 110 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: so many like wonderful connective moments where these characters are 111 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: so good at hurting each other and making each other 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: mad and then trying somehow to like say something to 113 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: like make up for the pain they caused. And I 114 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: think one of the things that's so great about this 115 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: episode is the pain that each of them cause each 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: other keeps getting worse, and their ability to bridge that 117 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: gap gets lesser and lesser with each apps, so you 118 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: can feel the divide really growing but here Joel is 119 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: able to say. He says, you know, like, I understand, 120 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: I get why you burnt your arm. 121 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah. 122 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 4: I also think that it was a really smart choice 123 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 4: of that song, specifically because it literally sounds like it's 124 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: kind of revealing Joel's manifesto. This is almost like his confession. 125 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 4: It really is he does and his intention. And I 126 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: was really kind of blown away by how well that 127 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: fitted and how much it kind of sets up what 128 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: the meat of this episode is going to be. 129 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: We fast forward a year, so now it's at least 130 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: sixteenth birthday. They're out in the woods summertime, at least, 131 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: trying to guess what her gift is going to be. 132 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: She's also agitating to go on patrols, which she's not 133 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: allowed to do yet. She's like, you know, Jesse could 134 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: train me, And Joel's like, oh, is that the boy 135 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: you like? Is that your boyfriend? 136 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: I've got a. 137 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: Keen eye for that sort of thing. 138 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: No, not really. 139 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: The gift is a visit to a museum out in 140 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: the woods that's been overgrown to this a moment from 141 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: the video game that is rendered here wonderfully and elevated. 142 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: I think from the game. 143 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: I agree. 144 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: So the first thing they come to is this statue 145 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: of a t Rex, which Ellie climbs. She's so delighted. 146 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: They go inside the museum. There's like a solar system, 147 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: a display that you can move around with a hand crank. 148 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: Joel gives Ellie a rock and they're standing in front 149 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: of this display of Apollo astronauts stuff and it's like, 150 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: go ahead, like it's your birthday. Break whichever display you want, 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: and you know, get your space helmet. She breaks one. 152 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: She gets the this Apollo era space helmet. They crawl 153 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: into the space capsule that is there, and you know, 154 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: Ellie's like flipping switches and stuff. Joel gives her the 155 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: final the coup de gras gift, and it's a cassette 156 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: tape recording of some Apollo space launch and Ellie listens 157 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: to it. She's imagining herself lifting off and then going 158 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: into space. It's just really beautifully shot. You don't you 159 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: see it all on her face with a change of 160 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: lighting so. 161 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: That the orange, so yeah, you can really see how 162 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: I will say, this is the stuff that I think 163 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 4: the show has not given other characters enough time with. 164 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: This is what I was missing we were critical of 165 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: three and four a little bit, but this is the 166 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: stuff I love about this. 167 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, four and five, like I think were a little 168 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 4: bit less for us, But like, I. 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: Think the thing is like these moments. 170 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's like in the game the Giraffe, it's 171 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: like here, like when you get these moments. And I 172 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: understand we had, you know, the take on me moment 173 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: in five, but it didn't get to be about out 174 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: both of them. What I didn't see that connection there 175 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: in the same way I don't see everything with them 176 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: is about survival. And I think something that we've always 177 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: loved about these games and the show is that you 178 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 4: get those beautiful moments, and I feel like I would 179 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 4: love to see more of that with Ellie and Dina, 180 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: or Diana and Jesse or even yeah, even Abby. You know, 181 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: we do have to know more about her as we 182 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 4: head into the end of this season in season three, 183 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: So I think, like I love these and these this 184 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: moment got me like I was crying. 185 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: I cried the first time I watched it, right the 186 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: second time I watched it, but it's not It did also. 187 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: Make me think, like, oh, why is this affecting me 188 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 4: so much more than the last couple of episodes, and 189 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: I do think it's this focus on Joel and Ellie 190 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 4: and the way that they bring them to life and 191 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: the kind of space and time that they get to 192 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: exist in with each other. 193 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: Well, for me, it's like, you know, it's interesting when 194 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: I play the game, I'm almost like zooming past these 195 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: moments because the game for me. 196 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: Is. 197 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: About kill, kill kill. 198 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you want to be killing some zombies. 199 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: I want to be killing and kill kill. 200 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: And I think the reason this episode really resonated with 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: me so much is for me, this show is about 202 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: how important and precious life is, and that even when 203 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: you're taking it, you should realize it's something you're doing, 204 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: something tragic that has ripple effects, right, And I think 205 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: that when the show turns away from that, it turns 206 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: away by having these kind of like meaningless video game kills, 207 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: like meaningless video game deaths right where you see Dina 208 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: shoot a wolf in the head and you're like, good, okay. 209 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, meaningless like video game kind of antagonists like the 210 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: Scars who we don't get to know. 211 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: The central thesis of the show is like, all of 212 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: these deaths matter to someone, and this episode really drills 213 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: down on that, showing you how like the how precious 214 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: these moments, how these final a person's final moments are 215 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: the precious their life is to someone else, and examining 216 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: that through the lens of this like horrible situation everybody 217 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: finds himself. 218 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: So I just that's a great point. 219 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: Actually, And when we go into the more action oriented 220 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: episodes is where I feel that almost that the show 221 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: is turning away from that ethos. 222 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: So I think every life is important kind. 223 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: Of yeah, because if it's that vengeance quest that Ellie 224 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: is on right now means like she just killing Nora, 225 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 4: like she doesn't have no thought, she's beaten out to 226 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: death with the pipe, I don't necessarily know that I'm 227 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: as sold on that side of the story as I 228 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: am on the idea of like the ripple effect of 229 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 4: these choices. And I think that, yeah, it's gonna be 230 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: interesting to see how they balance that in the finale. 231 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 3: But this was this was to me, a return to form. 232 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: It was a return to It was return to the 233 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: heights that this show is capable of. 234 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the emotion that you can you can make 235 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: happen in the show. 236 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: Fast forward one year later, Ellie's seventeenth birthday. It's raining outside. 237 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: Joel comes in with the cake. It is correct this time, 238 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: but he hears some weird moaning, something sounds moving around, 239 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: of sounds from Ellie's room. He bursts in and there's 240 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: a woman in there. She's nineteen, two years older than Ellie, 241 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: and they're buttoning their pants and getting into a state 242 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: of dress. We make him out that was some stuff. 243 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: Stuff was happening, Stuff was occurring. There's weed in the ashtray. 244 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: Ellie has a fresh chat on her arm that this 245 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: woman was putting on. Ellie admits that she is a 246 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 2: gay woman. Joel can't accept it. He's like, oh, we'll 247 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: talk about this. You're emotional right now. 248 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: It's like it wasn't an experiment, Like I'm fucking gay. 249 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: You're just blind to it. 250 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: But I thought this was actually kind of funny because 251 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 4: there's something that I think is really interesting in this 252 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 4: episode that they highlight, which is kind of the normality 253 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 4: that people who live in Jackson Hole almost take for granted. 254 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 4: Like Joel should be feeling, Hey, I have a nineteen 255 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: year old who is still here, who's still alive, who's 256 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: now getting to experience things that we never thought people 257 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: would get to experience again in these spaces like love 258 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 4: and getting a tattoo and smoking weed like normal teenage things. 259 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: There's also a moment later where we see Gail in 260 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: a dina and she. 261 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 4: Just like reading a book and I'm just thinking, like, guys, 262 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 4: you have no idea how good you have it, And 263 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: I think that screw of the problem with. 264 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: You at all right now. Yeah. 265 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: So Joel is like, you know, laying in his bed 266 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: and thinking about this argument they just had, and he 267 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: hears more noises and Ellie's moving her stuff out. She's 268 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: like gonna move into the garage, and they have it out. 269 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: Ellie eventually apologizes for you know, getting inked and messing 270 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: around with a girl on weed and basically uses this 271 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: as a way to say I should have my own 272 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: kind of space, shouldn't I. And Joel agrees and he's like, listen, 273 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: I will help you move. And he has to see 274 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: the tattoo. It's a moth on a leaf, and Joel says, 275 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: it's actually not. 276 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: Bad, it's really beautiful. That actually happened to say, very 277 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: well done, and we. 278 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: Will find out the importance of this is the the 279 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: show goes on and I think this is one of 280 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: the best details, but this was a story out. Yeah, 281 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: Joel goes to see Gail at the commissary. She's reading 282 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: her book and she's like. 283 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 4: Eating like a little diner breakfast, just like living life. 284 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: Well I was like, come on, guys, like someone here has. 285 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: To be who's actually thinking about the zombies At this point, I. 286 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: Feel like you was all people luckily, But yeah, I 287 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: mean this is they have a great here. 288 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: It's like it's normalish over here. 289 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: Normal is He's like, hey, what do you what is 290 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: your psycho therapy training tell you about like dream analysis, 291 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: vis a VI moths? 292 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: Like what is that? Is that? 293 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: Like transformation or what? And she's like it means death 294 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: if you believe in that sort of thing. 295 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: And she's like, and the only doctors who believe in 296 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: that a stupid And I love that Gail. She was 297 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 4: sassy before he even killed our husband. She never liked him, 298 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: she was sick of it even then. 299 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: So we see that among Ellie's things as she's packing 300 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: up as her sketches of various moths, you know, design 301 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: that she wanted for her tattoo, and there's a there's 302 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: a quote there that she didn't include in the tattoo, 303 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: and it says you have greater purpose. So this moth 304 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: is all about Ellie finding what her reason for being 305 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: alive is. That's what it means to her. We go 306 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: two years later, Ellie's nineteenth year and Ellie is practicing. Now, 307 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: she's practicing in them, asking Joel questions that she has 308 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: written down about what happened in Salt Lake, and it 309 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: basically all adds up to she doesn't believe him. She 310 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: doesn't believe his story. She's been thinking about it more, 311 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: she becomes more of an adult, and it just doesn't 312 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: add up. Joel arrives, but before she can ask him, 313 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: he gets her her presence, like, your present is. 314 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: We're going on patrol. It's your first patrol. Let's go. 315 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: So they go. 316 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: It's the safest trail, very quiet there. Joel is teaching 317 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: Ellie the ropes, how to scan, how to like scout 318 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: and report. 319 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: She's already showing she absolutely shouldn't be there, complaining about 320 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 4: having to scout. She's like, oh no, squirrels a fucking like, 321 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: Oh I have to look at this nature? 322 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: How terrible for me? 323 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: Serious? 324 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: Come on, come on, to be serious a call comes 325 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: over the radio, infected in the patrol perimeter. Joel tries 326 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: to send Ellie back, but she's like, no, no, no, 327 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: I'm your partner. 328 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: We're going. So they go. 329 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: They climb down to the spot. There's the sound of gunshots, 330 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: there's a sound of infected. A dead scout dragged by 331 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: a horse goes past them, and they find the other scout. 332 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: It's Eugene. 333 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 3: He's Babe Joey pat. 334 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: Joey Pant's baby, I wonder in an incredible performance. 335 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 4: He's coming in for that special guest Emmy, the one 336 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 4: like he's get for like twenty minutes of being in 337 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: an episode. 338 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: He it's heartbreaking. He's he knows he's gonna die. 339 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: And he says, listen, I figure I got like an 340 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: hour or so. 341 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: I feel pretty good. 342 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: Right now. I want to say goodbye to Gail. Here's 343 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: my here's my pitch. Tie me up, take me back 344 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: outside the gate. Obviously I don't go inside. Gail stands 345 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: whatever it is twenty feet away. I'm still tied up, 346 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: and I get to say goodbye to her, and Joel 347 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: is like, not gonna do it. Eugene really unwisely draws 348 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: his gun but it's empty. Luckily, luckily it's empty. And 349 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 2: then Ellie is like, hold on and she does the 350 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: Federa test, the Federa infected test, you know, hold out 351 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: your hand, count to ten, and she says, I think 352 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: he has time. 353 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: I think we have time. Let's do it. 354 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 2: So Joel is like, Okay, go climb back up, get 355 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: the horses, bring up around the trail and we'll take them. 356 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 2: And she goes to walk away and then stops and 357 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: is like, really, like, she gives him the most loaded 358 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: look she gives him. 359 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 4: I think this is a huge moment as well, because 360 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 4: huge moment she gives him the chance to promise and 361 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 4: act on the promise as it is laid out, and 362 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: I think if he did that, she would have actually 363 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: given upsis about SLC bec completely. 364 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: I think the idea is here. 365 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: She sees the same thing happening, and she's like, can 366 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: I trust him? And can I give him a chance 367 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: to do what I deem as the right thing here? Now? Look, 368 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna Lie is tying up and infected and 369 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 4: taking them on a horse so he can see his wife. 370 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 4: Like a kind of stupid idea, yes, but also at 371 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: the same time, I'm surprised that Jackson doesn't have some 372 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 4: kind of version of this, seeing as they're so well protected. 373 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: So I don't disagree with Joel here, but I also 374 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 4: don't how you're doing crazy. 375 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: It's just no I think you. 376 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: Listen, she's nineteen now she's going on patrol. Treat her 377 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: like a fucking adult and tell her what you what 378 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 2: the rules are, and what you're gonna do. 379 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: She's not gonna like it, but don't promise. 380 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 3: But don't promise you can do something you can't. 381 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 2: Don't promise to do something. Yes, don't do that, and 382 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: he makes it worse later. So she goes off, and 383 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: Joel walks Eugene down the trail to a spot, beautiful 384 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: spot overlooking the lake, and he's like, don't turn around now, 385 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: I'm gonna shoot you, and. 386 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: Eugene begs for his life. 387 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: I don't need a view. I need Gail. I need 388 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: to see her face. I want to I'm so scared. 389 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 4: I like he's like, there's a moment where Joel's like, 390 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 4: I'll tell her your lost words, and he's like, I 391 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 4: don't need how to hear my lost words. 392 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: I need her lost words. Like I am scared. I need. 393 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: I'm the one dying, yeah, but me, And Joel says, 394 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: you know, if you really love someone, you can always 395 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: see their face, and he gives he gives Eugene a 396 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: couple of moments to try and conjure Gale's image, and 397 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: he says, I could see her and then and then 398 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: Joel shoots her. We don't hear the gun shots the gun. 399 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: You just see the flight of the birds. Ellie comes 400 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: back with the horses and she just in her face 401 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: is so fucking mad. They go back, they bring Gail 402 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: to see Eugene's body, esquirted by Tommy. Joel fucking flat 403 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: out lies. Oh my gosh, he's flat out. He's like 404 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: he was so brave, he meant he did it himself. 405 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: He didn't he want to. 406 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 4: Come back here, blah blah, and like the thing is 407 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 4: I do again. Then now this comes into an issue 408 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 4: of like a, don't let Ellie go if you don't 409 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: think that she's going to back you, and like you're 410 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 4: not on the same page because she is a teenager. Also, 411 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 4: my biggest thing is, like I understand why Joel does 412 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: have to lie about this, because that is the nature 413 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: of keeping things safe in Jackson but this was such 414 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 4: a stupid move. He should have just said, I'm so sorry, Gail. 415 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 4: I you know, I had to kill him. But he 416 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: loved you and he thought of you in the last 417 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: moments even then, Like maybe Ellie wouldn't have blown up 418 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 4: his spot, but like he he lies so distinctly and 419 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 4: easily and differently from what really happened that I think 420 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: it was obvious. 421 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 2: I knew it was like it was just a it 422 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: was Yeah, you get why Joel is doing it. But again, 423 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: you can do the right thing in the wrong way, 424 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: and Joel is basically the entire ethos of Joel. Joel's 425 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: entire character is I'm. 426 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 3: Gonna do it right. 427 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the right thing in the wrong way. 428 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: And Ellie blows up the spot. He's like, that's not true. 429 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: Eugene wanted to see you. He begged for his life. 430 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: He was very fucking scared. Joel promised that he would 431 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: be able to come back and say goodbye to you, 432 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: and then Joel lied and shot him. Gail is shocked. 433 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: She slaps Joel. It is crazy that that. Gail is 434 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: then has to be Joel's therapist months later. 435 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 4: No crazy, no, no, no, no, Joe, just speak to 436 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 4: your brother, speak to anyone else, babe, Like speak to 437 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: Maria like no, please. 438 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: This is I'm sorry. 439 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: But maybe the craziest thing Joel has ever done is 440 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: to walk up to Gail with a bag of weed 441 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 2: that Eugene grew in his grow house and be like, hey, 442 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: I want to talk about my daughter. Let's let's not 443 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: address the elephant in the fucking room. 444 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: Joel plays, Joel, are you kidding me? 445 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: My guy and and Jackson, please take this burden off 446 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: off of Gail. Train up some find some folks who 447 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 2: are good at speaking to other people, and let's get 448 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: some of this burden off of Gail. 449 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: She should not have this kind of workload. 450 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: I love my therapist. I love therapy. It works. I'm 451 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: pro therapy. 452 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 4: But look you you people in this town that are 453 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: teaching people to do like fucking the most intricate electrical stuff, 454 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 4: teaching people to be plumbers. 455 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: Shit, you like you can teach someone to just listen 456 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: to someone listen. This is not a lot of time. 457 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: It's just the listening. You don't it's not difficult. They 458 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: don't need to like give you a. 459 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: Diagnale doesn't time like Gail does it drunk, like any 460 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 4: twenty year old is going to be better at this 461 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: than Gail, Like please, please don't. 462 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: By the way, I'm not, I'm not. 463 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: I don't say that to besmirch the skills in the 464 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: craft of Earth of the Therapist. 465 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: Incredible work. 466 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 5: But you know, like it's in this hellituation Jackson, and 467 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 5: we're back. 468 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: It's New Year's Eve. 469 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: It's nine months later after fucking Joe. 470 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: Why was he having therapy with her? Like at least 471 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: way a year? 472 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 4: Like please, I love Like I do want men to 473 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 4: get therapy, but like, how about a man gets therapy 474 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 4: that doesn't traumatize the therapist because you killed the husband, Like, 475 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 4: come on, guys, come on. 476 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 2: And then give her and then pay her was her 477 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: husband dead husband's weed? 478 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: And she's like this isn't even as good as Eugene's weed. 479 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: It's like I know that he stole that from there. 480 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 4: He's just not as good at growing it. I would 481 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 4: also say, as well, like this is the. 482 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: Maria and Tommy problem you guys are trying to live. 483 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: You know. 484 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: Let's go back to the earliest episodes of this season, 485 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 4: when Jason s an iconically good line that I got 486 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 4: a lot of messages about which is like Jackson is 487 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 4: making socialism look bad, guys. And this is another one 488 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: of those moments where I'm like Maria and Tommy, You're like, 489 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 4: you gotta be more realistic about the interpersonal connections between 490 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 4: these people. 491 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: You cannot just let Mats murderer Joel who. 492 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 4: You know, even without knowing about SLC, you know that 493 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 4: this man has a history of being a smuggler, a criminal. 494 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 4: You can't just expect him to a forget that. But 495 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 4: also then you can't expect other people whose impacts or 496 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 4: who are impacted by his actions. 497 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: To just sit around and like take it. Like now 498 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: I think post. 499 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 4: This, I immediately went back and watched Gail interacting with 500 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: him in that first therapy scene and. 501 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: Like that, like that, I'm sorrying you are like the abs. 502 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: The way that she builds in every single bit of 503 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 4: what we see here, it's just like so fucking good. 504 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 4: She's so great. But yeah, let's give her a break, please. 505 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 4: It was only nine months, Like, yeah, that's insane. 506 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 2: At least one though, Joel is sitting with Tommy and 507 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: Maria and Tommy Maria's kid. Joel is obviously quite pensive 508 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: and sad and down, and Maria tries to lift him 509 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: up by basically saying, you know, thank you for everything 510 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: you've done. I'm sorry that I called you a refugee earlier. 511 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: That was unkind, but you know, on behalf of not 512 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: just Tommy and me, but the community. 513 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. 514 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: And then the thing with Seth happens. Joel gets up 515 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: deck Seth and we have that whole argument. We go 516 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: to later. Joela is on the porch playing guitar. 517 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: You're gonna cry. 518 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: Ellie comes out to see him. They make small talk. 519 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: At first, he's drinking coffee. You don't want to know 520 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: what I traded for the coffee beans, but they're okay. 521 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Joel asks about Dina. Is that your girlfriend? Now? 522 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: Ellie's like, no, that was just one kiss. I don't 523 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: know why she did that. And then Joel here's that 524 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: moment where he tries to hand out the fig hand 525 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: out the peace offering, you know, to basically say. 526 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm cool. 527 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: With it, you know, like, yeah, that's the person you 528 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 2: want to be with, Like I'm fine with that. And 529 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: then Ellie launches into questions about Saltwake. 530 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: And this is I just want to say, like This 531 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 4: is a change from what Ellie has been telling people 532 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 4: and what we have seen of the last moment they 533 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: were together. We saw a version where she just walked 534 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 4: past and never got to see him and never got 535 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 4: to have a conversa. 536 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 3: To Jesse. 537 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 4: So this is kind of a huge moment of discovery 538 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: here and again just shows that these two together, There 539 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: were moments here like I know that poor Bella, just 540 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 4: like you know, poor Caitlin have had to put up 541 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 4: with like nonsense from people about casting and video games 542 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. 543 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 3: There are moments in this seat. 544 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 4: Once with the lighting and the way that Bella acts 545 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 4: and the small kind of micro emotions on their face, 546 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 4: there were multiple moments where I was like, I almost 547 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 4: cannot tell this is not in the video game, like 548 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 4: it visually looked so similar, and obviously the emotional kind 549 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: of heart and truth of this moment is like so huge. 550 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, it's time you got to talk 551 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: about it. 552 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: So she says lie to me, and that's it. We're done. 553 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: Our relationship is over. 554 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 3: And he can tell she's telling the truth, the. 555 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: Truth, right, And she asks him like, was it raiders 556 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: that killed those people? Or was it you did was 557 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: did they really give up on the cure? Were there 558 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: really other immune people? And he admits it all with 559 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: a shake of his head, that it was all eyes. 560 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: And then he admits that he killed everyone in that 561 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: facility because they were making a cure that would have 562 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: killed her, and she blows up. That was my purpose, 563 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: She says, like that was the reason. If I was 564 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: going to die to save to create a cure that 565 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: would save the world, that would have been my choice. 566 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: Everybody. 567 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 2: It would have given my life, meaning like, and then 568 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: we wouldn't all be in this situation. 569 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: You took that away from me. You stole that from me. 570 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: Look, I'm not I'm not trying to be a Joel 571 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 4: apologist here, okay, because demanded do her like a mass murder, 572 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 4: and the show did a really good job of showing 573 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 4: how horrific it was. But I do think, like when 574 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 4: she asks him, could they have made a cure and 575 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: he says yes, I feel like, actually, I'm like, you 576 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: don't know that, Like that look like. 577 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 3: Some fucked up duty old room. 578 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 4: I gotta say, I think I think more plausible deniability 579 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: for Joel here, But I appreciate that he's trying to 580 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 4: take full like he's trying to take full accountability for everything. 581 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: We've talked about this, and I do want to say 582 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: that I think the Firefly has made a mistake, Like 583 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: why are we Yeah, Like, first of all, you've got 584 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: to be This is again all about clearly communicating to 585 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: people as if they are adults, to let them know 586 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: what the situation is, especially when it pertains to life 587 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: and death, their life and death. And I think that 588 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: with the Fireflies, one should have been clear about that. 589 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: Right now, we don't know how to do this without 590 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: killing the person one and two? 591 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: What's the fucking run? Like, can't you figure out a 592 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: way to do it? Yeah, let's figure out like different 593 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: ways that we could do it without killing. 594 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 3: Blood fust See what that tells us? 595 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: I know it's crazy to be like, well, we have 596 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: to kill the one person you can, there's no other 597 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: way to do it. 598 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 4: As well, I'm like, guys, you're gonna kill the one 599 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 4: immune person you've ever found there was no other immune people. 600 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 4: Doesn't sound Also, it's not like you know what I 601 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: gotta be. Look, this is I just want toone to know. 602 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 4: I am generally like a chill person. I don't advocate 603 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 4: for just killing people. But why didn't you just snipe 604 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: Joel the moment Ellie was over like under like that 605 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: to me is like, you guys high at this man. 606 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: He got the girl here somehow across the country, Like 607 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: but you think that he's just gonna leave, Like no, 608 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 4: well were you gonna give him? What do they even 609 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 4: give him? Like nothing, like it's no, no silly plan. 610 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: But anyway, all that side, he finally admits the. 611 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: True He admits it, and he admits that he knows 612 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: that this was wrong what he did, and he knows 613 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: that somehow he will pay a price for this, but 614 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: that despite all of that, which again incredible acting by Pedro, 615 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: because when Abby reveals, when it's revealed that they're there 616 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: for him, but before he knows what it's about, he 617 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: knows what it's about, like yeah, you know, telling his 618 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: face that he's like, fuck, they caught up with me. 619 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: This is it. 620 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: But he's so. 621 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: Joel says that despite the fact that he knows that 622 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: this was a term of crime and that it will 623 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: catch up to him someday, he says he would do 624 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: it again, and Ellie's like, because you're selfish, and Juel's like, no, 625 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: because I love you in a way that you can't 626 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 2: you can't understand and you'll never understand. 627 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: And he doesn't call back to the dad. 628 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, he says, you know, I just hope that you 629 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 4: will do a bit better than me, you know, if 630 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 4: you have a kid, which I'm just like, first of all, 631 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 4: don't take that from your dad who was beating you, 632 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 4: and you did. 633 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: Not learn any good lessons for am because this is like, 634 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 3: this is a crazy thing to say to someone after. 635 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: Family secrets are crazy, like and you signed out crazy bro, 636 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: and so this is like one of the worst. This 637 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: is like the dystopian version. 638 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: It is such a good point. 639 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: Actually, everybody I think has the version of that in 640 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: your family where you find out something that has been 641 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: buried for years and years and years and it's like this, 642 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: you know yeah. 643 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: And I think, like that's a really big moment. 644 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 4: But also I think this achieved one of those things 645 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 4: that you know, I get a lot when I'm watching 646 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 4: a show that I love where it's like when she 647 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 4: was like, because yourself is I was like, no, because 648 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: he loves you, and then he said it. 649 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: You know, It's that kind of engagement. But then this 650 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: is the most heartbreaking moment. It's like just before we 651 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 3: leave them. 652 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: So Ellie says that she doesn't know if she can 653 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: forgive Joel, but that she's willing to try to do. 654 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: And we fade to black and the sound of rain, 655 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: and when we fade back, Yeah, it's nighttime. Ellie is 656 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: returning to the theater in Seattle, and she's thinking about 657 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: clearly thinking about all of this is on her mind 658 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: as she walks back to the theater in the rain. 659 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: Incredible episode of the Last of Us program. I wish 660 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: we had ten episodes so that I have a bottle 661 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: or a Jesse bottle or an Abbey bottle. 662 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff. 663 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: Maybe season three we'll give us more of that. 664 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is the kind of thing that elevates 665 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 2: it from being the Walking Deadly No, I. 666 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: Think, but I think you're right. I think that's absolutely fair. 667 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 2: Okay, where do we end up in episode seven? And 668 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 2: any predictions for where we go? I mean, clearly we're 669 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 2: not gonna. 670 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 4: The entire game, which they which they'd always said, but 671 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 4: actually I have to say I felt like they were 672 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 4: moving through the game so quickly they will did. What 673 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 4: do I think we'll see? I think we'll have a 674 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 4: check check in back with Abby. I think we will 675 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 4: probably see Ellie kill another one of that group. I 676 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 4: would love if they kind of surprised us with some 677 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 4: more Ellie Dina time. I'm guessing we'll get from the 678 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: kind of nature of the show and the season so far, 679 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 4: I'm guessing we'll get some kind of do w Lf 680 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 4: and Scars check ins. I'm interested to see if we 681 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 4: get more Isaac, like more Jeffrey Wright, get to kind 682 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 4: of know a little bit more about him. 683 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 3: I wonder how it. 684 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: Sets up the stage for season three, because they're game wise. 685 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 4: Unless it's like a lot, lot, lot lot of action, 686 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 4: there's not like a huge amount that we necessarily have 687 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 4: to go through. So I'm very interested to see how 688 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 4: season three expands on that until we get to to 689 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 4: that moment in which we kind of the Abby and 690 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 4: and Ellie showdown. So yeah, I honestly I am kind 691 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 4: of flummoxed because I do feel like I don't know 692 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 4: one hundred percent where they're necessarily going to go. But 693 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 4: I'm open and willing to see what are your like 694 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 4: top three things you think will get. 695 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: I think we will get reunion with Tommy and Jesse 696 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: and Ellie. I I would expect I think that that 697 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 2: will be a minor part of it and that we 698 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: will mostly be with Abby. I think that will She'll 699 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: we're going to see the ripple effects of the death 700 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: of one of her friends, Nora, and we're going to 701 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: see maybe her relationship with Owen. 702 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I feel like Owen is likely 703 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 4: to be the next one to so I think they've 704 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 4: got to build a bit more on the two of 705 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 4: them to make that have the impact that yeah, we'll 706 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 4: need to have. 707 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 2: But whatever the case, I think we're going to be 708 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 2: WLF centric next episode and kind to kind of set 709 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 2: up the you know, this feeling of doom, of impending 710 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: doom that's that's coming. 711 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 3: You make a good point. 712 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 4: Actually, we could even just go directly to after Nora's death. 713 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 4: That feels like kind of how the show would go see, 714 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 4: you know how, because how will they find out with 715 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 4: her being down in the spores And obviously we know 716 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 4: there are certain kind of creatures that we are thing 717 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 4: to see before the end of this season. 718 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: Because I think that there's. 719 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,439 Speaker 2: As a person who watches every like this is what 720 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 2: three thousand hours of the last of US two super 721 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 2: cut looks like when people are just like Ellie John wicking, 722 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: like through good Seattle, like muck. I think there's I 723 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: wonder if season three, for a portion of it isn't 724 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 2: going to be almost a horror movie where Ellie is 725 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 2: the monster, because you know, wow, that could. 726 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 4: Be really, really effective if they translate that feeling from 727 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 4: the finale of season one to Ellie and season two 728 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 4: and kind of. 729 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 2: Just going on a rampage while Abby and her friends 730 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 2: are like, oh my god, like hap should we have 731 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 2: killed this girl? How do we stop her? She's like 732 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: killing everyone we love. I think that could be really powerful. 733 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 2: But I'm excited. I you know this is this episode 734 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 2: was a killer and I can't wait to see how they. 735 00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: Follow it up. 736 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 2: Like this just elevated the material that they have. I 737 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: completely agree with you. They it did a wonderful job 738 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 2: of marrying camera angles and setups and dialogue from the 739 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 2: video games, but expanding those scenes so that there are 740 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 2: other more surprising, more deep parts of those scenes. And Yeah, 741 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 2: when this show is hitting on all cylinders as this 742 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: episode was. 743 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: Maybe. 744 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 3: At its finest prestige. 745 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 746 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 2: Okay, on the next few episodes of x ray Vision. 747 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 2: We're celebrating the forty fifth anniversary of the Empire strikes Back. 748 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 2: Whoa Oh, and the twentieth anniversary Oh my God a Revenge, 749 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 2: and then preparing for the final journey of Ethan hunt 750 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: for our Mission Impossible. The final reckoning preparation shows. That's 751 00:38:53,600 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 2: it for this episode, Extra Listening. Convicted x ray Vision 752 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 2: is hosted by Jason Sepcion and Rosie Knight and is 753 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: a production of iHeart Podcasts. 754 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 755 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar. 756 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai wag. 757 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 758 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 759 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 760 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 4: Heidi our discord moderator.