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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar

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Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, April thirteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, Season seventeen. I'm sorry, Season eighteen, episode number

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Speaker 1: four a while. Where would we be without that? Oh?

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Speaker 1: My god, that year. There's no way we're gonna miss

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Speaker 1: that year. Welcome to latest edition of the Break Well

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Speaker 1: if st WBC Morri Studios at the Star, got Nick,

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Speaker 1: David Amber here with me. We got a full crew.

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Speaker 1: It's been now a few weeks now, we've been rolling

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Speaker 1: with a full crew. So this good. Let's keep this going.

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Speaker 1: Although I won't be able to be here next week, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's up to you, Derek. Yeah, next week, I got

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Speaker 1: I got something I gotta do. But so I won't

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Speaker 1: will will host and keep this thing rolling heading into

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Speaker 1: the draft. So but I'll be back for the week

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Speaker 1: of the draft, so that'll be good. Cool, glad to

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Speaker 1: hear it, really, Nick, is that what we're gonna go?

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Speaker 1: Is that? How yay? Okay? All right? Yeah? Because the

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Speaker 1: week of the draft. I mean, it's gonna be like

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Speaker 1: Dave's Draft Show. It's gonna be the Dave Show. Dave

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Speaker 1: tell us about this guy that guy. Sure, all right, good, Um,

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Speaker 1: here's what's gonna do. We started a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a well not a little bit. We started a conversation

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Speaker 1: last week about the draft and what the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: done all the last five years. We thought we would

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Speaker 1: get through several rounds. Um, these guys only got through

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Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Kelvin Joseph last time,

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Speaker 1: that had the phenomenal season this year. And my question

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Speaker 1: think there's like there are these different schools of thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Some people focus on the fact that he's got all

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Speaker 1: these interceptions. Some people want to focus on the fact

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Speaker 1: My honest, genuine opinion is that the only reason that

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Like I've never in my life can remember

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Speaker 1: Like they got rid of Byron Jones for this very reason,

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Speaker 1: give up some plays. Trayvon Diggs did not give up

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Speaker 1: plays nearly often enough that people are like, he's a liability, okay, whatever,

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Speaker 1: I would be reading think pieces about why are we

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Speaker 1: not talking about the best corner in the league. Trayvon

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Speaker 1: kind of like Xavien Howard in Miami. People are like,

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Speaker 1: And I think he's a player that hasn't necessarily reached

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Speaker 1: What was it that he ran like a cheetah? I

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Speaker 1: But I think that after seeing something like that, your

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Speaker 1: prior to the draft, so that you don't get to

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Speaker 1: the point where you're forced to pick which a specific position.

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Speaker 1: But they haven't done that well, you know, what's funny

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Speaker 1: is Rob and I were arguing. Rob Phillips and I

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Speaker 1: were arguing about this this morning. I'll take his point

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Speaker 1: right out of his mouth because I thought it was

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Speaker 1: really good. Is I was like, well, you know what

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Speaker 1: you got. What you got from Connor Williams is a

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Speaker 1: pretty good pick. It's not like he started four years

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Speaker 1: everything I just said. And Rob was like, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: when this is your free agent strategy, you need better

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Speaker 1: than that from your top one hundred, like you need

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Speaker 1: better production from your big draft picks if you refuse

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Speaker 1: to spend money the other way. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: holy crap, that's a really good point, right, And so

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Speaker 1: Will and his guys do a great job. We say

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Speaker 1: it over and over again, and I truly believe that.

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Speaker 1: But I think I said it on the show a

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Speaker 1: week or two ago, like you put a tremendous amount

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Speaker 1: of pressure on them when you're like, great job, do

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Speaker 1: it again. We have to have another Mica or we

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Speaker 1: have to have a guy that's better than Connor Williams

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna be better this year, and it's on

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Speaker 1: you to find him. It's not realistic because that's the

448
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Speaker 1: thing the Cowboys do a great job in the draft,

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Speaker 1: they still miss on a somewhat regular basis because guess

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Speaker 1: what everyone does, because it's really hard. Yeah. But here's

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Speaker 1: here's the tough part too, that that I think has

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Speaker 1: to be factored in. There was a time when Dallas

453
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Speaker 1: had the strategy of we're gonna go spend big in

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Speaker 1: free agency, and they still have the same ultimate results.

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Speaker 1: We all know, we all agree that that's not what

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Speaker 1: we want them to do. No, I get, I get,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying My point is, like they have it seems

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Speaker 1: like they have these wild swings. Like at one point

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Speaker 1: there was spending big, Like Nick, you remember when, well

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Speaker 1: they had like three free agents, three big free agents

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Speaker 1: they sign on the first day of free agency, Like

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Speaker 1: that was the kind of stuff they were doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: didn't work. And then you go to other extreme and

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Speaker 1: you're like, well, we're not gonna really we're gonna only

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Speaker 1: go for a bargain basement type deals. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: really sign big guys. We're gonna resign our own guys,

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Speaker 1: And that still has the same results. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: you kind of want them to say there isn't in between,

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Speaker 1: like you don't necessarily have to go to one extreme

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Speaker 1: of the other, find one really really good free agent

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Speaker 1: that can change the complexion of your team, and spend

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Speaker 1: on him since and then go to to to to

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Speaker 1: the draft to get the rest of your guys. Since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, that day that we talked about,

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Speaker 1: they drive that they signed three guys in one day.

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Speaker 1: They did it again. I believe in like twelve or

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Speaker 1: thirteen one of those years they got like Brandon Car

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Speaker 1: might have been twelve, they got like big deal. They

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Speaker 1: got like big deal all in like right at the

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Speaker 1: start of free agency. But in those that eighteen years,

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Speaker 1: seventeen years, that's about it. Just two times they've really

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Speaker 1: just like huge splashes and and and think about it,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five Anthony, Henry Marco Rivera, and I

484
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Speaker 1: forgot the other guy, um, Anthony, Oh, Jason Ferguson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: none of those three were that great. And then the

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Speaker 1: next time they really did it, Brandon Car, I know,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Orton was one of them. Um, there's a couple

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Speaker 1: others and they weren't. I mean, they were like Nate

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Speaker 1: Livings and Vickers. So when they did, when they do

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Speaker 1: make big splashes, it hasn't worked out either. That's my point.

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Speaker 1: Like I think they look at it like, well, we

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Speaker 1: tried that. But my thought would be, this is mean

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Speaker 1: you gotta go all or none, right, there isn't in between.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're did pretty good last year, you know, they

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Speaker 1: kind of bargain hunted, but they did pretty But I'm

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Speaker 1: saying it is there one guy out there that is

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Speaker 1: a bona fide among the best datist position who used

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Speaker 1: to who You're like, we're gonna go out there and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make him a target. We're gonna bring him

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Speaker 1: into our team, and then all the rest of them

501
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Speaker 1: are gonna be bargain basement types. But but is that

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Speaker 1: an option? You know at some point you know, yes

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Speaker 1: it is. And I think this is the time I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna throw out this other point that I think fans

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Speaker 1: forget a lot. And I don't know one likes it either,

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Speaker 1: But it's like a lot of the fans that are like,

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Speaker 1: what are they doing with this money? They have all

508
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Speaker 1: this money, those are the people that maybe get their

509
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Speaker 1: whole paycheck and spend it all, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Because because the part is that the cowboys are saving

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Speaker 1: their money, it rolls into next year. We'll forget that

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Speaker 1: Jack is making forty million a year. He's not made

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Speaker 1: forty million yet. This he counted like twenty, he's counting

514
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Speaker 1: like fifteen. So at some point it's gonna really really hit.

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Speaker 1: And these they keep rolling these in and so that's

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Speaker 1: what they're saving for. These moneys are about to go up,

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Speaker 1: and people forget that. They're like, what are they doing

518
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Speaker 1: with this extra fifteen million? Yeah, rolling it into next

519
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Speaker 1: year because it's going to be worse than this year,

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Speaker 1: you know. So that's something you gotta remember. The writing

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Speaker 1: seems to be on the wall in my opinion that

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Speaker 1: they're I don't want to say they're more focused. I

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Speaker 1: think like I just I think they have their eye

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Speaker 1: on twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four in terms

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Speaker 1: of like, this is where the cap jumps, and we

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Speaker 1: can do this and that and the other, and that's

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Speaker 1: all well and good. What about twenty twenty two that's

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Speaker 1: my thing, and not like it's a wonderful point. I

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Speaker 1: don't think fans should have to care about that. No,

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't. It's not DeMarcus Lawrence said it perfectly when

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Speaker 1: he was like, that's not my problem. It's not my problem.

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Speaker 1: For like helping you figure out how to get DAC

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Speaker 1: under contract. It's not the fans problem for you to

534
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Speaker 1: figure out your books. People are still talking about the

535
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Speaker 1: rant you went on a couple weeks ago because they

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Speaker 1: liked it so much. Wind it didn't do anything. No,

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Speaker 1: of course it didn't do anything, but like, and you're

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent right, and it's they have to worry

539
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Speaker 1: about all of that, and the four year pictures just

540
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Speaker 1: as important as right now. Fans don't give a damn

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Speaker 1: and they shouldn't have to. Here's the question, though, if

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take it back to the I said, push

543
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Speaker 1: the chips all in, what do the Cowboys think that

544
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Speaker 1: they they're holding? We're gonna keep the poker reference, you know,

545
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Speaker 1: do they think they've got so you say? Is it

546
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Speaker 1: a question of do they think they actually have a

547
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Speaker 1: team that they are that they can't just push on

548
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Or do they think that or

549
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Speaker 1: do they think that they've now are now are t? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Or do they I think the Cowboys thing I think

551
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: could be good, but it's not worth pushing at all.

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Speaker 1: Maybe nothing, yeah, yeah, I think again, would they say

553
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Speaker 1: any of this on the record, No, But I think

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Speaker 1: that they are more along the lines of like, all right, like,

555
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Speaker 1: you know, you can win the East this year because

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Speaker 1: it's not very good, but we're not you know we

557
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Speaker 1: we I'm not good at poker, Like it's a pair

558
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Speaker 1: of eight's really good. Um, yes, eights. I know enough

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Speaker 1: to know that pair of aces you're gonna play, You're

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Speaker 1: gonna play. All right. Then they got less than that,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like they're like, all right,

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00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: we could win, but I don't buy that even a

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Speaker 1: little bit, just because and you guys have all been

564
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: around him to Jerry is the most optimistic person on

565
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Speaker 1: the planet. There's no way anybody can convince me that

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Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't go into every year saying we got a shot,

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Speaker 1: like we legitimately got a shot. And I think he

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Speaker 1: honestly accepted the year that they actually what he said,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, right that one year, that one

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Speaker 1: year twelve and four, And I think that was more

571
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Speaker 1: about him kind of hedging his bet publicly, but privately,

572
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Speaker 1: I bet he was saying we got a shot. Like

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Speaker 1: I think every year he thinks they got a shot.

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Speaker 1: Jerry also says every year. All you gotta do is

575
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Speaker 1: get into the tournament. Well, nine and eight win in

576
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: the East gets you into the tournament, and then it's

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Speaker 1: I would to say, you never know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Niners were a hair away from getting

579
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Speaker 1: there thinking of you never know what's gonna happen. I know,

580
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Speaker 1: we got to go to break just just Chris is

581
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: over there probably legend his mind. But yesterday as a

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Speaker 1: prime example, when we were sitting at our office of

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Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen, you know, and

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Speaker 1: what an odd pairing of that showed up in our

585
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Speaker 1: office yesterday Charles Haley, Oh, Quincy Carter? So random? Hey,

586
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Speaker 1: when just happened? I don't know, so random? Nick. I'm

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Speaker 1: in my office, I'm on a call, and Nick's like

588
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking out like, is that Quincy Carter? Like? Yeah,

589
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: just random, just random out of nowhere? I mean we

590
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Speaker 1: were downstairs shooting something. What okay? In the afternoon, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know. Yeah, I had a nice little conversation.

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Speaker 1: He's doing well, he is, Yeah, yep, it was. It

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Speaker 1: was an interesting conversation for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's last

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Speaker 1: time we talked to him we did a documentary with

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Speaker 1: and he was like, good job on that, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh good, then we're so ship what he thought.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought? Yeah, wow, yes he

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Speaker 1: liked it good. I mean, I'm standing there and Nick

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Speaker 1: and I were talking discussing this Mexico stuff, and then

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Speaker 1: I see this guy walking by trying to get mixed attention.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who he is, but he's all right.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take our first break week come back. We're

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the Star. We did find out some

651
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Speaker 1: a little bit of sad news over the last week.

652
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: It's actually been man. You think about Miss Mariland who

653
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Speaker 1: passed a couple. Was that a month or two ago,

654
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Speaker 1: three weeks ago, and then now last week we hear

655
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Speaker 1: about ray phil Right who passed away on Thursday, I

656
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Speaker 1: think it was, And then over the weekend we hear

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Speaker 1: about the death of Gary Brown, who was a former

658
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Speaker 1: running back coach here with the Cowboys. I never really

659
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Brown rayphiel Right, so

660
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Speaker 1: I can't really speak to him. But Gary Brown was

661
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Speaker 1: a guy that I really enjoyed being around. I tell

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Speaker 1: people all the time how he used to give our

663
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Speaker 1: team a hard time before games because he would inevitably ask,

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Speaker 1: did y'all pick us this week? And and then he

665
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Speaker 1: would be like, we're gonna kill him, like we're gonna

666
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Speaker 1: get him this week. And of course if they didn't win,

667
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: he was not the kind that would run from it,

668
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Speaker 1: and he's kind of be like, hey, get him next time.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, he just he was a good dude.

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00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: He engaged everybody that was around. His smile was just

671
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Speaker 1: one that was infectious. You just wanted to be around him.

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Speaker 1: He was a good dude. Yeah, you appreciate that and

673
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Speaker 1: that little look change that we had for a couple

674
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Speaker 1: of years there. Um, you appreciate it for a couple

675
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: of reasons. Number one, he kind of would get onto

676
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Speaker 1: us if we didn't pick him because he's he's a coach.

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00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: That's it. That's They spent all week doing that. He

678
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: also understood the business, he understood where our stands. So

679
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't a person No, it wasn't. It wasn't at all.

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Speaker 1: And so you anytime you get people that that you know,

681
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Speaker 1: I think you're wrong, but you know I respect what

682
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Speaker 1: you do. Like that's that's the perfect time type of

683
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Speaker 1: coach or you know, front office personnel or whatever that

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Speaker 1: you know they respect what you do, whether or not

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Speaker 1: they agree with it or not. And he was that way.

686
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Speaker 1: And he was so so fun to talk to and

687
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Speaker 1: always in good mood, consistent. So that's the thing with

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Speaker 1: UH with Gary was like, um, he engaged with us,

689
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Speaker 1: which like a lot of people, a lot of coaches

690
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Speaker 1: and even and players as well, is like whether or

691
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Speaker 1: not they viewed the media as the enemy, Like a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are just like the media is not there,

693
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Speaker 1: you know, like they'll look right through you or look

694
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Speaker 1: right past you. I've brought this up the other day.

695
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Speaker 1: Like a training camp, you know, like guys run out

696
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: they act like there's no fans in the stands, nobody's

697
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: doing anything, Like just pretend like nobody's there. Gary was

698
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: the opposite. Like Gary would come out early and like

699
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: say hi to the fans. He's all like he's joking

700
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: with Clarence Hill or ribbing people about like oh you

701
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: look hung over, Like what were you out doing last

702
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: It was one time he said, yeah, exactly exactly. He

703
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: was just he was a lot of fun to be around,

704
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: and I was. I was really disappointed and sad to

705
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: hear that. And for fans who maybe don't know much

706
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Speaker 1: about him, there was a piece that you guys did

707
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: that we did a few years back that was highlighting

708
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: this was around training camp that it was kind of

709
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Speaker 1: highlighting the running back group and you got to see

710
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: some of him on the personal side and how he

711
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: invites players for a cookout. He will invite them with

712
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: his own family and all that, and and just the

713
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: relationship he has with people. And honestly, this news it

714
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: was so unexpected to me. I had no idea what

715
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: he was going through and dealing with at all, and

716
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: it was very shocking. And it really hurts when I

717
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: see people that have that kind of energy, that kind

718
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: of positivity, the smile, because you think in your head, man,

719
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Speaker 1: that person can fight through anything, and when someone's so

720
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Speaker 1: positive like that, you just it was very heartbreaking for

721
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Speaker 1: me to see someone so great like him as a

722
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Speaker 1: person and the energy that he has and just kind

723
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: of not be able to finish up battling what he

724
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: was dealing with. Yeah, you know, when we're talking about

725
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Speaker 1: him the person, which you know, that's where it starts

726
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 1: as the coach though, and I mentioned this to you guys,

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00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I think on a text, he was here seven years.

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Speaker 1: In seven years, they had six one thousand yard rushers.

729
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Speaker 1: The only one that didn't rush for a thousand yards

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Speaker 1: was Zeke in twenty seventeen when he was suspending six

731
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: games and still ran for nine seventy three. He had

732
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: Marco Murray's best two years? Where was his first two

733
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Speaker 1: with Gary Brown? Darren McFadden comes out of Oakland and

734
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: goes for eleven hundred yards. Zeke had, you know, great years,

735
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: and then he goes to Wisconsin dealing with health issues.

736
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: The guy gets hurt. A freshman comes in with the

737
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: last seven games and rushes for twelve hundred yards. The

738
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: guy can coach gootball. He played it, he knows it,

739
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: he can relate to them, and also, like you know,

740
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good player in his own right as well,

741
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: Like I'll never I knew that he went to Penn State.

742
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: He had a decent Penn State career, Like he never

743
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: had a thousand yards season in college. He had two

744
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: in the pros, so like he had a better pro

745
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: career than college. And I'll never forget. I think it

746
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: was the it was the Hail Mary game season finale

747
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: against the Giants in twenty eighteen, which I think would

748
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: have made Sequana rookie. And they you know, they won

749
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: on the last play in YadA YadA. They were going

750
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. But like we get off the bus

751
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: and we're going to get on the plane like we

752
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: always do, and Gary had say Quon's jersey, which I

753
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: was like, holy, Like I was like, that's pretty damn

754
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: cool man, because and like he knew him from Penn

755
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: State and he was very he was very proud of

756
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: him and et cetera. But I just was like, that's

757
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: really cool. I'm sorry, are you talking about the Beasley catches? Yes, Okay, okay,

758
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We can't just say Hail Mary and I'm

759
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: just like, it took me, remember, hey, old Mary to win. Yeah,

760
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's called. Yeah, I mean it

761
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: was like a desperation throw. It was. It was I'm sorry, no,

762
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't stop. No, sorry, I'm not trying to. I

763
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: just think I knew what you're talking my day, did you,

764
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: because I was my brain? Yes, yeah, okay, fifty yard

765
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: throws to win games happened too often in thirty two yards,

766
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: but whatever he was, it was a far throw alright, anyway, No,

767
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: it's cool. Just just wanted to mention and give him

768
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 1: some time and some do because he was a really,

769
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: really good guy and in this business, as Day said,

770
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: you don't always necessarily those kinds of personalities on the

771
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: football side. And by the way, a lot of it

772
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: is just like there's a mistrust, that thing happens between

773
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: you're a freaky man. What it was the thirty thirty

774
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: two yards best the same thing. I'm like, oh okay,

775
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: but he was like he was behind the line of

776
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: scrimmage though, and Beasley was in the back of the ends, like,

777
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so he was nine and a half yards

778
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: into the end. Ze Yeah, so it was like a

779
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: forty something yards throw. But it was on the record,

780
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: on the record thirty two. That is Scott Nicole forget

781
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Nicole forgets something. He told me this tested him in

782
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: the middle. I texted him at ten forty fives, like,

783
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: what you're doing anything? Yeah? On the Draft show, ass

784
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: brought us yesterday. I called brought us literally. While he's

785
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: on the show, trying to catch up with him, He's like,

786
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm doing your show, Like, oh my bad. Sorry, he

787
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: might have said, as he might he might have mentioned

788
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: that word. But yeah, but but Nick, Nick knows the

789
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Speaker 1: score of the Jets. The Jets game from nineteen ninety

790
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: four or whatever played him at ninety three. They beat him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know you got it. I know, I really twenty

792
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: seven seven Beam, you want to get there first or me?

793
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Speaker 1: Twenty seven seven is the is the the answer? Is it?

794
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Speaker 1: The answers right? That's right, dang it. I'm mad now.

795
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith scored a touchdown in that game interception for

796
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797
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: don't think twenty eight to seven. Oh no, you're so

798
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: make your extra point, Eddie Murray, No, probably, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take another break. When we come back, we're

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801
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,279
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00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,960
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Speaker 1: I actually think we should set a time on that day,

847
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: can't cafindry? We got set a time on that day

848
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: when Dave and Nick and Amber go out to the

849
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: plaza where the party will be and sign some autographs

850
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: and take some pictures with fans and just let them

851
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: know them we'll be out there at that time. You guys,

852
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: go out and spend a little time with this. I'm

853
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: live streaming from like ten thirty am until six pm

854
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: on Saturday of the draft. But oh yeah, what if

855
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: we be out there like a nine thirty guys knowing

856
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: in their right mind, would be there. No, not that early, right,

857
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't know? All right, y'all, text me let me

858
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: y'all tweet me, let me know, let me know if

859
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: you want to. If you want Nick and Dave and

860
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: Amber to come out, two people are gonna tweet Derek

861
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: and he's like, the people have spoken. I do that

862
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: all the time. You're like a lot of people were

863
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: really mad about that one one else. No, if we

864
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: look if we get if I get ten of them,

865
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: you guys do it. How about if I get ten

866
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: tweets saying I will show up to spend time with

867
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: those three, then you guys do it. Right? Wait, check

868
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: check whether these people are located, because it could be

869
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: like North Carolina. If they're gonna come in, let's go,

870
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna tweet you and not show up. Right. All right,

871
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: let's talk about third round. Dave, give me a quick

872
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: synopsis of your thought on what is a third round pick?

873
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: What makes for a successful third round pick? I have

874
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: always said I view the top one hundred as like

875
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: those guys need to be um significant contributors for you.

876
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: I think I've even in their round. Yes, okay, top

877
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: one hundred picks um. I I used to think if

878
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: you're a top third three pick, you need to start

879
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: right away. I've kind of adjusted my thoughts on that

880
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think in a lot of cases

881
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: maybe that's unrealistic. But if you're drafted in the top

882
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: one hundred, I expect you to have a pretty clearly

883
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: defined role right away. Weather it's Green messed it up

884
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: for you, it's me, And it's not just the Cowboys,

885
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: I think just over the years, because I think that's

886
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: the third round I think is really where the draft

887
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: starts to get wonky in the sense of beauties in

888
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder, flavor, but also like fit

889
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: on your team. Well you know, like this is an

890
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: extreme example, but like if you desperately need a punter

891
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: and there's a good punter, like one team could screw

892
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: that whole thing up for everybody, or um, maybe you

893
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: need a specific role player for your scheme that other

894
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: You're like, really, you're drafting that guy in the third

895
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I'm not asking him to do

896
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: all of this right away, I just need him to

897
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: do this one thing. So I just think I think

898
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: there's potential for things to kind of get sideways there.

899
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: But even having said that, I mean, let's where where

900
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: where are you're talking last five years? Is that so

901
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: so here're the guys. You got OsO Diggi Zuoa last

902
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: year with Chauncey Golston both was selective four and Nashan

903
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: Wright at ninety nine. You had Neville Gallimore at eighty two.

904
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: You had Connor McGovern at ninety, Michael Gallup at eighty one,

905
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis at ninety two. Those have been the

906
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: third round picks of the last five years. That's largely

907
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's pretty good, bad at all. Jordan again

908
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: picked eight spots outside the top one hundred. He's still here.

909
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: He's he's actually he is. His arrow continues to go

910
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: up because if you're he was hurt as a rookie,

911
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: he got time here and there, and then in Chris

912
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Richard and Rod Marinelli's scheme like they didn't favor him,

913
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: like they didn't give him a lot of opportunities. He

914
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: decided to stay. It paid off. I think last year

915
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: was his best year as a cowboy. It credited them also,

916
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: they usually do this in the second round. It's been

917
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: a long time, but you remember Jordan Lewis had some

918
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: off the field concerns that a lot of teams decided

919
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: not to even to take him off the board, and

920
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: they did their homework on him, talk to him. They

921
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: were very confident that whatever accusations were against him were

922
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: going to be dropped and they were false, and that

923
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: they were right. I mean, he's one of our favorite people.

924
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: And you never want to I've learned this lesson the

925
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: hard way in a few instances, Like, you don't want

926
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: to speak too firmly about anybody because at the end

927
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: of the day, we only see a sliver of these people.

928
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: But like, the thought that Jordan was a quote unquote

929
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: character concern coming into the NFL is almost unbelievable to

930
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: me from what we've learned about him over the years. Like,

931
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: I think of him as one of the highest character

932
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: guys on this entire team. So yeah, but but that

933
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: was just one of those that they, you know, took

934
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of a risk because they thought they

935
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: were getting good value there. And it has been Michael

936
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: Gallup too. Gallop is a freak Gallup home run. Yeah,

937
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: that's probably your best third round pick of the last

938
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: five years. Wouldn't say, yeah, easily one of the best

939
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: third round picks in recent memory. Really, I'm like Terrence

940
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Williams JJ Wilcox, DeMarco DeMarco was really good. And I

941
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: let's just ask this question before the show about is

942
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: there a theme for third round picks? I mean, have

943
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had some really good ones? And because it

944
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: was our social media team, I gave him four names

945
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: over the years and DeMarco Murray probably would have been

946
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: the fifth one. And so but it's very hit or miss.

947
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you got some really you got some bad

948
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: ones in there, so not all Jason Witten. In fact,

949
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: they're every five bad ones. You can find a really

950
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: good one. Which the looming, the unseid thing is that

951
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: at this point in his career, Connor McGovern is that's

952
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: that's a bummer. And maybe it's unrealistic to expect a

953
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: guy picked ninetieth to start right away, but yeah, he's

954
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: he's started fourteen games in three years. He missed his

955
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: rookie season to due to a peck injury. He was

956
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: benched when he did get his opportunity last year, it

957
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: didn't work out well enough that they wanted to keep

958
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: going with it. And then on top of that, we

959
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: know that they had him much higher graded, like they

960
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: picked him knowing they didn't really need a guard because

961
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: that's how much they liked him, and that's that's kind

962
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: of the stain right now, because I mean, you feel

963
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: pretty good about where Neville is at this point in

964
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: his career. And then Osa and Chauncey both were again

965
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: like they had defined roles, like Osa was a rotational guy.

966
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: Chauncey made plays on special teams and did something. It's fine.

967
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Both of them were amazing in like September and October,

968
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: and they like they were very classical, very like Rookie wall.

969
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: I did a rite up on Osa right after the season,

970
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: and I was like, seventy five percent of your TfL's

971
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: came in the first like six weeks of the season,

972
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: and you can sort of see it nose dive after that.

973
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: But you still feel good about what they were on

974
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: the field contributing fair about it. Though Neville Gallimore didn't

975
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: play earlier in the year and neither did Tristan Hill,

976
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: and then they both kind of came back into the

977
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: mix and and you know, played and all that. But

978
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: you know of what's going on with Tristan Hill, Dave,

979
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: he's entering a contract year and probably words a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

980
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: this is this is the time when he's got a

981
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of he's a step up there. He's tough to

982
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is really the only thing holding that twenty

983
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: nineteen class together, which is it's hard because they didn't

984
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: have a first round pick. You said that for years.

985
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's weird you don't have a first round

986
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: pick for some reason, your second and your third round,

987
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: fourth round was sucked too. Well, it's just it's just

988
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: that you put so much pressure on that pick to

989
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: be right. Usually, you looking at the history of the Cowboys,

990
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: you just mentioned it earlier, they win in the first round,

991
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: so it makes everything. It colors the rest of the

992
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: draft where you went in the first round and seconds

993
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of wonky, but third is pretty decent. Then you

994
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: kind of feel better about it. Let's assume you don't

995
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: have a first round pick and now seconds kind of walky,

996
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: and third you feel pretty good about. That gives you

997
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: a bad feeling about the overall draft, the worst draft's

998
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: ever in Cowboys history, or when they don't have a

999
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: first round yea, which I don't even steal a third

1000
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: or fourth. You know, Jason Witten's not coming out of that.

1001
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: He's coming out of the one with Terrence Newman in

1002
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, the production that they were getting

1003
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: from Amari made it worth it. In my opinion. That's

1004
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: that's not my fault that they decided didn't have a

1005
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: first round that had already experience it was a veteran

1006
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: and that they'll definitely resign. I mean, if if you

1007
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: look at it and keep if you look at it

1008
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: and say, like, well, you know, Mari's still doing his thing,

1009
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: getting thousand yards seasons. We found Tony in the fourth

1010
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: and Donovan Wilson's still kicking around, and I mean Tristan

1011
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: and mc governor are still on the team at least

1012
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: like they aren't so bad that you had to cut them.

1013
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: If Amar's on the team, you're like, I can live

1014
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: with that. But now that Amari's gone, you're like, man,

1015
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: that looks like crap. Yeah. If you guys, if you

1016
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: guys look at the draft picks from this last year,

1017
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: in the third round, they had three of them, uh

1018
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: Osa and Chauncey and Nashan Wright. Talking about Osa and Chauncey, first,

1019
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: do you think which one? Do you think based on

1020
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: what you saw, you more excited about what they can become,

1021
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: really really, because I think that think also too. But Wow.

1022
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to say it first because I think, No,

1023
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: I think he's got this position flex that that's that's intriguing.

1024
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: And if and if they wouldn't have resigned Dorance Armstrong,

1025
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: I think I think that Goldston could have could have

1026
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: been that guy. Um. I just like the fact that

1027
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: he missed all of camp and he came in and

1028
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: he was pretty productive based off of a guy that

1029
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: really didn't have any preseason games or anything like that,

1030
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: a rookie. Yeah, I'm excited to see if he if

1031
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: he you know, all off season, get some good training camp,

1032
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: get some good coaching, preseason games, I think he has

1033
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of make that second year leap

1034
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: as big as anybody else on the team. So this

1035
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: is what I pulled up his game logs. This is

1036
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: what I was talking about. Uh yeah, from like from

1037
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: week two to week we'll say week five, he tallied

1038
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: eight quarterback hits, three tackles for loss, and both of

1039
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: his two sacks in though in that like three or

1040
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: four week stretch. Now, that's pretty good for a defensive

1041
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: tack It's very good for a rookie defensive tackle. Now,

1042
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: they were playing pretty bad team. I mean, Carolina and

1043
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: New York are in there, Philly's in there, but he

1044
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: even I mean, he had two hits on Justin Herbert

1045
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: in the win against the Chargers, and I just again,

1046
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: he's a rookie draft in the third round, Like, I

1047
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: don't expect you to do that weekend week out, but

1048
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: if you can do that, and I mean it, it

1049
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: fell off a cliff after that, like he had the

1050
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: rest of the year. After the games I just listed off,

1051
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: he had three quarterback hits the rest of the way.

1052
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: Do you happen to have his the number of snaps

1053
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: he had in those those games, those two to five

1054
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: kind of going to Knick's point of kind of his

1055
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: his playtime may have declined, it didn't fall off as

1056
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: it trade crazy as you as you want to think

1057
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: like whre he was. It hovered around sixty during that stretch,

1058
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: and it did get into the forties later on in

1059
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: the season. But he's still I mean, he played sixty

1060
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: three percent against Denver, he played fifty six percent against

1061
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: New Orleans, fifty three against Arizona. It was still getting

1062
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: plenty of time. It dipped, but not by like this

1063
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: crazy number. Um. But if he can do that on

1064
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: a consistent basis, that is, that could be very impressive production.

1065
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: Now moving on to the other third round pick from

1066
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: last year and n Sean Wright, did you expect more

1067
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: from him than what you saw? No? I think he

1068
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: looked exactly like what he was billed as, which is

1069
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: like a developmental guy who's rare traits aka being that

1070
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: long while still being pretty athletic. Y'all were shocked, right,

1071
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: we were, so maybe the most shocked I've ever been. Okay,

1072
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: so really yes, So here we are fast forward a year.

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00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean again, like you say, I take time to develop,

1074
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: but y'all look more correct about where he was than

1075
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: the cowboys right now, which really, let's not say y'all

1076
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: because that's the funny thing, and he's not always right.

1077
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: He'll be the first person to tell you that. But

1078
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler is so incredible at his job, Like he

1079
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: watches so many prospects, he's got an idea of all

1080
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: of these players. And when they called his name, the

1081
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: first thing the rest of us did was open Dane's book, like,

1082
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: who the hell is this guy? Dane? What do you

1083
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: got for us? Do you know anything? And Dane's like,

1084
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: I think all the color went out of Dane's face.

1085
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: He was like, I have a seventh round grade on him,

1086
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: and we were all just like, okay, I guess we

1087
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: need to learn about Nashan Wright during this commercial break

1088
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: and so that, but we we had a whole conversation

1089
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: about it after that day. Is like, the pick is

1090
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: immediately colored by what the analysts know, because that's what

1091
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: you can go on, right, So people are like, well,

1092
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: Dane thinks he's a seventh round pick. This is a

1093
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: terrible pick. And Dane will be the first one to

1094
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: say it doesn't mean I'm right. We got to see

1095
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: how this thing plays out. And he does the grade

1096
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: for thirty two teams. He says, this is what this

1097
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: player would be for most of the teams, but he's

1098
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: not dan Quinn, and dan Quinn has a vision of

1099
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: what his guy is and there could be other team

1100
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: that had a seventh round pick. But having said that,

1101
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: coaches can be just as wrong, because Rod Marinelli is

1102
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: the reason why Tristan Hill is here and Taco Charlton

1103
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: got drafted probably, and what was the safety that Kansas

1104
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: City took instead of taking there was like Thornhill, who's

1105
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: been a pretty good player. So it's I mean he

1106
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: played thirteen games. He started the BS game against Philly

1107
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. He did make some

1108
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: nice contributions on special teams. Nashan Right, Yeah, so I

1109
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: mean scored a touchdown. Yeah, he was one of the

1110
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: twenty four, but two. I twenty it wasn't twenty four. Two.

1111
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: I look at it as a red shirt year for

1112
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: a guy that needed some seasoning. But I am I'm

1113
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm curious to see what it looks like

1114
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: in year two, that's for sure. And here's what's interesting.

1115
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: If he has a really good offseason. Um, I don't

1116
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: like saying this because I mean, the guy could be

1117
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: here all year, but you know, something's got to happen

1118
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: here with a cornerback position. And so you know, Anthony

1119
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: Brown with his five million dollar price tag, I mean,

1120
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: you get to the end of the season and I

1121
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: mean end up training camp and all that. If if Joseph,

1122
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: if Nation right have made these leaps and all that,

1123
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it could happen where they maybe make a

1124
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: trade or something like that, because because that's what you

1125
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: hope for, that's what you hope for. Because we talked

1126
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: about progress stoppers all the time, and they don't want

1127
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: to have anyone that's gonna be if it's the same,

1128
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: and then definitely not making the same You want to

1129
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: get these guys on the field, but they they would

1130
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they talk so much about saving money against

1131
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: the cap. It would be their dream to be able

1132
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: to shed some of that veteran salary. And I talk

1133
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: out of this side of my mouth, and I think

1134
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: you start cutting your depth at cornerback. And then he

1135
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: ended up signing the Richard Robinson from you know at

1136
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: the end of the season, and the Chris Westy's who's

1137
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: still in the league playing well. But but you signed

1138
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: the starting I've seen you. Yeah, but you signed this

1139
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: guy for Baltimore. They had no one else. Yeah, So

1140
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: you know, cutting cutting depth at cornerback's kind of trade. Yeah,

1141
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: that's one position where I'm like, I can't have enough. Yeah,

1142
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: keep You're right about the people. I want to keep

1143
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: those guys here, all right, screw that, don't make that trade.

1144
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: But because he'll get on the field, Nahan right, will

1145
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: get on the field. Think you could if right, if

1146
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: Kelvin and or Wright was good enough, you could deal

1147
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: one of those vets. I don't think it would be

1148
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: smart to get rid of both of them. I mean

1149
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: and Kelvin Joseph and you know, Jordan Lewis and Anthony Brown.

1150
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's one, two three on the roster right there.

1151
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: They all change numbers. Yeah, what two three? What all

1152
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: the numbers that are saying? I know, oh time for

1153
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: this there? Those are the those are the significant ones.

1154
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph is one, Jordan Lewis's two, Anthony Brown is three,

1155
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: DAK is still for Dak's still four. Yeah, I mean

1156
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: Chauncey Galston's ninety nine. Now, Fowler's gonna wear fifty six,

1157
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: which he's worn for most of them. For Washington eighty three,

1158
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: I believe, so eighty three eighty okay, yeah, um, and

1159
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: mcquama went to twenty four. Yeah, but from what I hear,

1160
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: it might not last very long. Hooker, Yeah, Hooker might

1161
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: want to that's that's gonna change again, I feel so.

1162
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling about the receiver though, that they draft. There's dude,

1163
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: there's only like there's one number available for what now

1164
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: and it's Ninember nine. But see that's but like they'll

1165
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: they'll make t J. Vasher move or something if they

1166
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: want to that's I love the new number rule because

1167
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: it's fun and guys get to wear what they want

1168
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: to wear. But I feel sorry for Mike, like no, no,

1169
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis, how many times is it gonna change numbers?

1170
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: It's like, is it three times already? I was kind

1171
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: of surprised by that because I believe twenty six was

1172
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: his college number, So it's weird to see a guy

1173
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: get out of his college number and into something new.

1174
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: But what the single did just do? Look cooler? They do,

1175
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: not admit than they do six. It's it's a cooler looking.

1176
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: I'd keep a couple open though, just for the draft. Yeah,

1177
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: but like you never know. Before this rule, the equipment

1178
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: guys really only had to worry about this, Like around

1179
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: draft time. It's like, okay, we drafted this guy. We

1180
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: got to rearrange this. Now from like February to June,

1181
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, Mike, Mike, how do I get into

1182
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: how do I get the It's like, oh my god, dude,

1183
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: leave me alone. I got enough stuff going on. All right.

1184
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We'll be back next week.

1185
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: At least these three guys will be back. They'll I'm

1186
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: sure we'll be getting you guys ready from draft until

1187
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: then for Nick, even Dave helm At amber Garci'm Derek Eagelton.

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