Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky, JOOKI.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Hey, I'm ged, I does says, Oh,
Speaker 3: hey boo, it's me Roz.
Speaker 4: I've got an episode today with Kara Klank, who's a
Speaker 4: hilarious comedian and writer.
Speaker 2: She hosts a podcast called That's Messed.
Speaker 4: Up, a very popular podcast about true crime and law
Speaker 4: and order s v U and I love Kara so much.
Speaker 4: We talk about a really terrifying haunted doll that I
Speaker 4: had never heard of that is named Norman. If you
Speaker 4: haven't heard of Norman, look him up. Very scary. There's
Speaker 4: a video that I found on YouTube of him moving
Speaker 4: on his own.
Speaker 2: Gave me nightmares.
Speaker 4: Speaking of I wanted to read a story.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I love it when people send me stories. It makes
Speaker 4: my day, makes my life better. Every time I get
Speaker 4: to get a little email notification at ghosted by Roz
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com. And this one comes from Patrick.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Patrick.
Speaker 4: Patrick tells me that sometime around two thousand and three,
Speaker 4: my now ex wife Jess and I were living in
Speaker 4: a condo in Fullerton, California. Oh my god, I lived
Speaker 4: in Fullerton at one point. Though the condo was small,
Speaker 4: the bedroom was large and doubled as an office and
Speaker 4: music studio. One night, Jess awoke to the sound of
Speaker 4: our dog, zeroling. Jess looked where the dog's attention was
Speaker 4: focused and saw in the far left corner of the bedroom,
Speaker 4: which she later described as quote, an entity that appeared
Speaker 4: more stretched and tall than a human. The body was
Speaker 4: a white mist, but it was contained in a form.
Speaker 4: The figure was hunched over a piece of recording equipment
Speaker 4: I had just purchased. After a moment, the figure kind
Speaker 4: of looked at Jess, stood up straight and moved toward
Speaker 4: the door at the far right of the room. Jess
Speaker 4: glanced down at Zero, who was still growling and tracking
Speaker 4: the movement of the figure. Just before reaching the door,
Speaker 4: the figure faded and disappeared. Jess nudged me and said,
Speaker 4: did you see that? But I had been soundly asleep
Speaker 4: and I barely responded. The next day was busy and
Speaker 4: we didn't discuss it. That night, I was awakened by
Speaker 4: Zero growling. I sat up in bed and flung my
Speaker 4: feet onto the floor, expecting an altercation with an intruder.
Speaker 4: I didn't see anything, but Zero was still growling. I
Speaker 4: tracked her focus to the far left corner of the bedroom.
Speaker 4: There I saw a tall, slender, ghostly figure that appeared
Speaker 4: to be checking out my new recording equipment. After a
Speaker 4: few moments, the figure turned and headed toward the door.
Speaker 4: I noticed Zero was still nervously growling and tracking the figure.
Speaker 4: We both watched it exit the open bedroom door. I
Speaker 4: stood up, walked over to the doorway and looked into
Speaker 4: the living room. Whatever it was, it was gone. Jess
Speaker 4: had stirred when I got out of bed and groggly
Speaker 4: asked me what was up. When I came back to bed,
Speaker 4: I said, we'll talk about it later, and I went
Speaker 4: back to sleep. That night, at dinner, I had an
Speaker 4: oh yeah moment and asked Jess what had happened two
Speaker 4: nights prior. She apprehensively told me her story. As her
Speaker 4: tale unfolded, I smirked, and Jess thought that I was
Speaker 4: doubting her, but I was actually holy shitting how exactly
Speaker 4: her sighting mirrored mine. Jess even referenced the dog as
Speaker 4: a character witness. Zero saw it too, before I finally
Speaker 4: chimed in and let her know that Zero and I
Speaker 4: had seen the exact same thing the next night. I
Speaker 4: think the most compelling part about our story is the
Speaker 4: fact that we both saw the same thing independently, and
Speaker 4: our dog's actions seemed to validate both of our experiences.
Speaker 4: I don't remember why, but we named the entity Alice.
Speaker 4: We never felt Alice malevolent, and neither of us ever
Speaker 4: saw it again. However, sometimes we'd come home and Zero
Speaker 4: would be visibly upset, and we'd blame Alice. Note yes,
Speaker 4: Zero is named after the ghost dog in Nightmare Before Christmas. Also,
Speaker 4: while verifying details of this story with Jess, she reminded
Speaker 4: me of this quote. Do you remember how we'd see
Speaker 4: tiny streaks of light up by the ceiling. Sometimes they
Speaker 4: were colored. I thought it was just my eyes doing
Speaker 4: something weird until one night it happened while we were
Speaker 4: watching TV and you said.
Speaker 2: You see that too, right?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 4: Okay, Patrick, thank you so much for sending me that.
Speaker 4: That is such a weird story, because it's like ghosts
Speaker 4: can just do they can like appear many different ways.
Speaker 4: There's like different so many different species of ghosts like that.
Speaker 4: There's that which is like a vape cloud shaped like
Speaker 4: a human and then it just it can walk out
Speaker 4: of a room, like, it's so strange, so strange.
Speaker 2: How this works out.
Speaker 4: It's almost like it's a it's not a fully cooked
Speaker 4: ghost yet, it's still still in the oven before it
Speaker 4: can be like a full body apparition with facial features.
Speaker 4: It's a cool story. Thanks for sending me that. Okay, well,
Speaker 4: I say we get into the episode. There is a
Speaker 4: video version of this episode and most of my episodes,
Speaker 4: so go to the link in the description of this episode,
Speaker 4: or just go to YouTube and type in Ghosted by
Speaker 4: ros Fernandez. You'll find all kinds of videos. I'd love
Speaker 4: if you watched them. And oh my god, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm just going to tell you right off the
Speaker 4: top here. I may I forget if I already told
Speaker 4: you this, because I've kind of been banking episode that.
Speaker 4: I did a bunch of them over the past few weeks.
Speaker 4: This one I recorded, I believe in January, like shortly
Speaker 4: after Christmas, early January. But I recorded an episode with
Speaker 4: the man who created celebrity ghost stories, and so we
Speaker 4: have an action packed episode coming at you. I think
Speaker 4: it's going to be a two parter or maybe there's
Speaker 4: a lot. There's a lot going on with it, so
Speaker 4: that will be coming up soon, so make sure you're subscribed. Okay,
Speaker 4: here we go. Here is me talking to Kara Klank
Speaker 4: on with the show.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Kara Clank high ras.
Speaker 5: It's so good to be here.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 6: I've been following your podcast for a while and even
Speaker 6: though I don't have like a particular ghost story, I've
Speaker 6: always wanted to be invited on and I was so
Speaker 6: happy when you make one message me.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 5: Here's a thing.
Speaker 6: Not really, but I know if I had an experience,
Speaker 6: I probably would.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get so much eight are.
Speaker 5: They gonna comfort me?
Speaker 2: Are mean?
Speaker 6: I'm not saying. I'm not saying I don't believe definitively.
Speaker 6: I just have not had like a ghost experience. I
Speaker 6: think I'm like a very high strung person and I
Speaker 6: move very fast, and I don't think I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: the ghosts can't get me, Like I'm just like I'm multitasking.
Speaker 5: I got two kids, guys.
Speaker 6: A ghost could like come up and smack me in
Speaker 6: the face and I would be like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: I'm so tired, you know.
Speaker 2: Don't worry nobody's mean. I love it.
Speaker 4: I love to hear just people's ideas, their thoughts if
Speaker 4: they believe, and I just very it makes me very
Speaker 4: curious because I kind of like use this podcast as
Speaker 4: like a survey to see what different people think. I think,
Speaker 4: particularly if you've never had an experience, I find it
Speaker 4: really interesting to hear what maybe a ghost could be
Speaker 4: to you, because surely you know people that have had
Speaker 4: have told you yes, so totally do you believe them?
Speaker 5: Sometimes?
Speaker 2: What do you mean even if it's like a loved one?
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Sometimes a crazy person tells you a story about a
Speaker 6: ghost and you're like, well, that's you're crazy.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if I believe that, but I
Speaker 5: definitely no.
Speaker 6: I definitely have heard stories where I'm like, whoa, that
Speaker 6: sounds like you really experience something. But then it's like
Speaker 6: don't you watch Like okay, I wrote during the pandemic,
Speaker 6: I worked on you know that show bar Rescue with
Speaker 6: John Taffer or whatever his name is where he goes
Speaker 6: an he rescues bars. So I worked on it as
Speaker 6: like remotely in my room during the pandemic, writing pop
Speaker 6: up video style jokes that like went at the like
Speaker 6: throughout the they were re releasing old episodes because of like,
Speaker 6: so they re released like ten of their classic episodes,
Speaker 6: and one of the episodes was this guy who stopped
Speaker 6: showing up to his own bar because he thought it
Speaker 6: was haunted. And they showed all this stuff at the
Speaker 6: end of the episode, like they would show everybody working
Speaker 6: there and like, you know, kind of how they were
Speaker 6: fucking up and like pouring the drinks too heavy and
Speaker 6: blah blah blah. And then they would show the place
Speaker 6: at night, like they were closing down, and there'd be
Speaker 6: like lights and like stools that were stacked on top
Speaker 6: of each other would like fall over randomly, like and
Speaker 6: that was like I remember watching that and being like, well,
Speaker 6: what the fuck is causing all of that? Like I was,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna say, I'm like a one hundred percent
Speaker 6: den iron.
Speaker 2: Do you think that he made it up because his bars?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Or he was just like a lazy piece of shit
Speaker 6: that was like, yeah, do it, Like my manager shod it.
Speaker 6: But like they basically John Daffer was like snap out
Speaker 6: of it, get your ass to work, you know, like
Speaker 6: that's the whole point. But he had like ghost people
Speaker 6: come in, I think and take like you know, night
Speaker 6: vision video and like you know, it's like sometimes on
Speaker 6: those videos it's like it's dust flying at the camera
Speaker 6: and people think it's it's got So I'm willing to believe.
Speaker 6: I look, a ghost story, a ghost movie definitely makes
Speaker 6: me jump, whereas like other stuff like I don't know,
Speaker 6: aliens and zombies is like a different thing for me.
Speaker 6: Like I do believe in some ghosty So I kind
Speaker 6: of believe people that are dead or watching us, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, but not necessarily coming into our
Speaker 6: houses and knocking things over.
Speaker 2: Were you raised with religion.
Speaker 6: Well, I was raised Jewish, okay, So I wouldn't say
Speaker 6: we were super ghosty okay in that way. So I
Speaker 6: went to summer camp for ten years, three as a
Speaker 6: camp or seven as a counselor, like obsessed with my
Speaker 6: summer camp, like got married there.
Speaker 5: It's in Vermont, and I go back every year usually.
Speaker 6: I mean before pandemic, I was going back almost every
Speaker 6: single year to work at like the family camp. And
Speaker 6: last year I went back, I took my kids. I
Speaker 6: like worked for a week and in Vermont it's like
Speaker 6: a free vacation. It's so cute. It's so beautiful. I'm
Speaker 6: obsessed and so forever. So the way the camp is,
Speaker 6: you know, situated on this like sort of hillside, and
Speaker 6: then above the units are like the groups of tents.
Speaker 6: So above one of the units is this place called
Speaker 6: Wedding Ring, and.
Speaker 5: It's like very.
Speaker 6: Very special place where we have like Sunday service where
Speaker 6: people like like give kudos to people that did something
Speaker 6: nice for them and people read like shel Silverstein poems
Speaker 6: and you know what I mean. It's like a nice
Speaker 6: little camp like campfire acoustic guitar that kind of like
Speaker 6: very camp be thing. But at Wedding Ring, which is
Speaker 6: this special place supposedly in like you know, the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 6: a woman was like left at the altar there or
Speaker 6: something like that, and so there's this legend of the
Speaker 6: ghost of Wedding Ring, and it's like a woman in
Speaker 6: a wedding dress who down like from wedding Ring.
Speaker 5: It's only oh god, I'm not very good.
Speaker 6: At distances, but it's probably like two hundred feet from
Speaker 6: like where we sleep, and I got I was in
Speaker 6: the tent one year that's the closest to wedding Ring,
Speaker 6: and everyone was like you're gonna see the ghost. You're
Speaker 6: gonna see the ghost. And my friend, my friend said
Speaker 6: she really saw it. She's like, I woke up and
Speaker 6: there was a woman in a white dress standing over me,
Speaker 6: and I was like, we do drink a lot though
Speaker 6: at night, you know.
Speaker 2: But in a tent, the tent is so.
Speaker 5: Well, here's that.
Speaker 6: Well, let me just tell you what our tents are
Speaker 6: like though. The tents are platform tents. We're not like
Speaker 6: in zip up on the ground tents. They're like big
Speaker 6: platform tents with like canvas. So you're in a bed.
Speaker 6: You have like a full caught bed and you sleep
Speaker 6: there with three other campers and it has like big
Speaker 6: I like to keep the flaps rolled up for air,
Speaker 6: you know, so you're kind of sleeping outside. And yeah,
Speaker 6: I did have a couple of friends that are like,
Speaker 6: I've seen the ghost of wedding ring.
Speaker 2: So wait a minute, this woman got stood up at
Speaker 2: the altar.
Speaker 5: And so she haunts she died. I don't know. I
Speaker 5: don't know that part.
Speaker 2: Oh I love a good like urban legend.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well like a rural legend, because it was like
Speaker 6: for our camp. But like, yeah, so I guess when
Speaker 6: people told me they saw that I was like a
Speaker 6: teen when I was a counselor, and like in my
Speaker 6: twenties early twenties, so I'd be like, you didn't see anything,
Speaker 6: you know, But well, I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's a thing that I'm obsessed with in the paranormal world,
Speaker 4: which there's a couple of different names, a thought form,
Speaker 4: an agragor. It's like this concept that you can kind
Speaker 4: of think something into existence. Yes, if enough people over
Speaker 4: so many years keep saying that, so it doesn't even
Speaker 4: have to be historically accurate, they could just conjure up
Speaker 4: some woman if enough people are saying that she's you know,
Speaker 4: roaming around right right.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, Like when you say that, it reminds me
Speaker 6: of like the Baba Duck kind of like you know
Speaker 6: how that movie is like about grief, but like, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's like a boogeyman or something that you just keep
Speaker 6: you think of collective as a culture or as a
Speaker 6: small community, and you can just think it into existence.
Speaker 5: That's what I think I believe in.
Speaker 4: And I also have a theory that because therapy wasn't
Speaker 4: very common at all in like the eighteen hundreds, so
Speaker 4: many of these eighteen hundreds bitches are Roman around satisfuck
Speaker 4: because they didn't get over their shit.
Speaker 5: I know they think they couldn't process.
Speaker 2: They didn't process.
Speaker 5: You hear about dying of a heartbreak, dying of loneliness.
Speaker 5: We used to do that constantly.
Speaker 4: Because they didn't have any They weren't on better help. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what they needed. Yeah, exactly. Okay, Well, I want
Speaker 4: to tell you about a famous story. Actually, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be honest with you. I try to stay up to
Speaker 4: date on what's going on in this world with particularly
Speaker 4: haunted dolls.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, this is not one I've heard of. And
Speaker 2: I've had it with Annabelle No.
Speaker 6: And you know what, I don't go to see a
Speaker 6: lot of horror movies, but there was some situation where
Speaker 6: I ended up at like the Conjuring in the movie
Speaker 6: theater and like with the annabel of it All, and
Speaker 6: I I kind of scream like a cartoon character at
Speaker 6: those kind of movies, like when there are jump scares,
Speaker 6: I scream, and my husband is like, what are you doing?
Speaker 6: Like I'm really a joke at the movies. So that
Speaker 6: kind of shit freaks me out. Chucky, I think I
Speaker 6: grew up with Chucky and he scared the shit out
Speaker 6: of me.
Speaker 5: So everyone's like.
Speaker 6: Going to see M three gin right now, M Megan, Yes,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, it's too scary for me.
Speaker 4: She's she's really bursting onto the scene right now. I
Speaker 4: haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 6: But my husband just saw it with his movie wife.
Speaker 6: I let him go to movie scary movies with another
Speaker 6: woman and she's our friend, and he said it was
Speaker 6: really fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you like scary movies.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But as far as I know, she is not based
Speaker 4: in reality, right, Annabel is based in our true story really, yes,
Speaker 4: And she's become the girl when she is she is
Speaker 4: that girl.
Speaker 6: And I sort of I do believe in that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff, Like I do believe in like if this
Speaker 6: is like giving you a bad feeling, like let's just
Speaker 6: got rid of it, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 6: stuff having bad like juju.
Speaker 2: I do believe in that totally. So I'm ready for
Speaker 2: a new a new girl in town.
Speaker 5: Tell me who's the new bitch on the block.
Speaker 2: This new bitch on the block. I will get to
Speaker 2: and I'll get to later how I discovered the new bitch.
Speaker 5: On the block.
Speaker 2: But her name is Norman.
Speaker 5: It's a girl. Named Norman.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Everyone's a sheet of me. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 4: supposed to be a boy. But okay, this is Norman
Speaker 4: the Haunted.
Speaker 5: All love it and para Norman.
Speaker 4: Yes, like the movie, and I'm here to give Norman
Speaker 4: some clout because I want more people to know about Norman.
Speaker 4: There has been two books written about Norman, and also
Speaker 4: the TV show A Haunting, which is on Discovery Plus Now.
Speaker 4: I couldn't find this episode of it because I think
Speaker 4: it was a newer season.
Speaker 2: I had to.
Speaker 4: I actually bought the episode on YouTube, and I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna lie. This TV show A Haunting pretty good.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 2: If they need hold it pop up video joke, it
Speaker 2: would be great for this. It's good.
Speaker 5: Please. That's not what I do for a living. It
Speaker 5: was the pandemic. I had to take what.
Speaker 2: I could get. It's uh. It's kind of a good
Speaker 2: show though.
Speaker 4: It's like the real people tell stories and then they
Speaker 4: have reenactments, but the reenactments are like scary movies.
Speaker 6: Like okay, scary, Yeah, isn't that kind of like that
Speaker 6: anthology that came out like a couple of years ago
Speaker 6: on like Amazon.
Speaker 5: Now, I can't think of the name of More.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard a lot about it.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, Okay, so I don't know for sure,
Speaker 4: but it seems to me that this took place in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Oh, I gotta set the tone. The year
Speaker 4: is twenty sixteen. It was truly the worst, one of the.
Speaker 2: Worst years, in one of the worst year history.
Speaker 4: So some highlights of that year for me were that
Speaker 4: I stopped talking to several family members with the election,
Speaker 4: I had my first panic attack.
Speaker 2: And also there was.
Speaker 4: A couple in Beulahville, North Carolina that found a haunted
Speaker 4: doll named Norman, and Norman said, if I was you,
Speaker 4: I want to be me too. So Stephen Lancaster is
Speaker 4: who we're talking about here. He's a paranormal investigator. He
Speaker 4: and his fiance Christina, they're antique fan. Are you an
Speaker 4: antique fan?
Speaker 5: Not especially really happy to hear about it, though I
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 2: I love me and antique.
Speaker 6: I think my dad used to like take me to
Speaker 6: antique stores for hours and just make me sit there,
Speaker 6: and so I'm like all this old crap, you know,
Speaker 6: It's like it's like a trigger for me.
Speaker 4: See, I love old. My family didn't like old crab. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's why I'm like, I wel the thing with
Speaker 4: anti stars. You don't know where those things are, right,
Speaker 4: you don't know who's died touching that stuff.
Speaker 5: You gotta sage it up.
Speaker 4: Well this you know, these people in particular PANELM investigators,
Speaker 4: So when they found this doll, they were like jackpot.
Speaker 4: So they're they're sniffing around the store and they find
Speaker 4: this weird wooden box that's on top of a chair.
Speaker 2: That's like up and they're like, what is that weird box?
Speaker 4: And has a lock on it, but the lock is
Speaker 4: like off, so they're like, how can you can't open it?
Speaker 4: But you can tell that there's They shake it, they're
Speaker 4: like there's something. So this guy he pulls out a
Speaker 4: little little knife and he like pops it open.
Speaker 2: He opens it up and there is an ugly ass
Speaker 2: doll inside.
Speaker 4: Actually I have a picture here, okay, Norman, Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's like that's why the box was Jimmy
Speaker 6: like was like sealed shut. Don't Jimmy things open that
Speaker 6: don't need to be opened.
Speaker 5: I don't like Norman.
Speaker 4: Norman has got orange hair. I mean, I'm a little
Speaker 4: bit chucky though. I don't want to push the stigma.
Speaker 5: But we have a white glove on one hand.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting that hands are two different colors.
Speaker 4: Looks like he's been through a fire of some sort. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like one eye is melted off. It's creepy. Google for yourself.
Speaker 5: Listen. A little orange woven wig.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is not real. I know a wig.
Speaker 4: So they they're looking at it and they're like, perfect,
Speaker 4: we'll take it. So they go to the checkout and
Speaker 4: there's two women that are working there and they're like,
Speaker 4: uh shit, not that all again. Oh, and they say,
Speaker 4: wherever that doll goes, there is some sadness that goes
Speaker 4: with this doll.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So there is kind of a sad triggering. There's all
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 4: There's always like there has to be like a one
Speaker 4: sentence sad thing.
Speaker 2: So let's just cover it real quick.
Speaker 4: One of the employees says, years ago, a woman was
Speaker 4: given to the doll before giving birth to twins.
Speaker 2: The boy doll died at birth, the girl lived.
Speaker 4: She believes six years later, the mother died in a fire,
Speaker 4: and she believes that the little boy spirit went into
Speaker 4: the doll.
Speaker 2: Is what she.
Speaker 4: Believes and the girl twin grew up and she brought
Speaker 4: the doll to the antique store.
Speaker 2: This is the story that they were told.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, back.
Speaker 2: To the fun.
Speaker 4: So the two the couple, let me make sure I
Speaker 4: have their names again, Stephen and Christina. So Stephen, Christie.
Speaker 4: They're like, what should we name this doll? And they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: let's call it Norman because he doesn't look like a.
Speaker 2: Doll nor a man.
Speaker 4: Oh so these people, they must be dragon fans.
Speaker 2: They know a pun.
Speaker 4: So shortly after taking the doll home, in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night, at four am, Stephen hears continuous three
Speaker 4: knocks pounding on his front door.
Speaker 2: Now here's the thing.
Speaker 4: In the paranormal there is a school, a thought of
Speaker 4: people that believe that three like if you hear three
Speaker 4: knocks or whatever, that means like evil's come in, right,
Speaker 4: it's some something kind.
Speaker 1: Of evil knock three times.
Speaker 4: A lot of people think that it's like making fun
Speaker 4: of the father's son holy Spirit. Like there's a lot
Speaker 4: of theories out there. Okay, either way.
Speaker 6: He would wage, I would argue, you don't want any
Speaker 6: knocks on your door in the middle of the night,
Speaker 6: any number.
Speaker 5: But you're saying that it's also a of a cursed number.
Speaker 2: I don't want to knock at any hour of any day.
Speaker 4: Poor landlord. He keeps stopping by to like give me.
Speaker 4: He gave me a Christmas gift.
Speaker 5: What was it?
Speaker 2: Like chocolates and stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh, but he would ring his doorbell and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: I'm not answering.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then finally, after like day weeks, finally it
Speaker 4: was left on my.
Speaker 2: Thing and I'm like it was him. This whole time, I.
Speaker 5: Should have just checked do you have a people?
Speaker 2: I do, but you can hear me creeping up. That's true.
Speaker 2: I need to get a ring. Okay.
Speaker 4: So that's actually what these people did. They put a
Speaker 4: whole surveillance system in the entire house, and the only
Speaker 4: places that they couldn't see was I believe it's Christina's daughter,
Speaker 4: because again these two were fiancees at the time, so
Speaker 4: I believe she had a daughter who is sixteen years old,
Speaker 4: and they couldn't see her bathroom or her bedroom, but
Speaker 4: otherwise they had ca everywhere. So one day, the daughter's
Speaker 4: showering and she hears someone outside of the shower. She looks,
Speaker 4: she's convinced her someone there.
Speaker 2: There's no one there.
Speaker 4: One day, Christina's grandchildren were being babysat by Steven, and
Speaker 4: this is a real security video. If you're listening to this,
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to listen. You're gonna have to watch
Speaker 4: the YouTube version of this, or you could find it
Speaker 4: on YouTube as well, or if you watch the haunting
Speaker 4: episode is also in there. This is Stephen. These are
Speaker 4: grandkids that he's babysitting.
Speaker 5: Is that a creepy doll or is that just the
Speaker 5: doll right there?
Speaker 4: The doll is nestled in the bed cozy. Keep your
Speaker 4: eyes on the doll.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: The doll is twisting its head back and forth, nearly
Speaker 4: twisting it around the kid. Seems like he noticed, well, Stephen,
Speaker 4: I don't know if the kid does notice, but Stephen,
Speaker 4: upon watching the video, was like, the doll is looking
Speaker 4: at me to see if I'm going to leave or not.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it.
Speaker 6: Wow, I mean that because this doesn't look like the
Speaker 6: kind of doll that like is like pivots its head
Speaker 6: as part of its like functionality.
Speaker 4: Raactly, And that's what he was saying, Like, I don't
Speaker 4: even think, like the doll can't even do that, so, like,
Speaker 4: how is it doing that?
Speaker 2: It's creepy.
Speaker 5: It is really creepy.
Speaker 2: I know we got a star here.
Speaker 4: This is a haunted all star Norman and more people
Speaker 4: need to know about Norman Norman. So, okay, one night,
Speaker 4: the daughter who's sixteen or whatever, she's sleeping. She feels
Speaker 4: her blanket being pulled off.
Speaker 6: Which I've seen that, I've heard of that that's common, right,
Speaker 6: it's pretty colm somebody pulling off your blanket.
Speaker 2: They don't ghost. I don't know why ghost won't let
Speaker 2: you be closer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like what does it goes differ? Come up and
Speaker 6: just like tickle your little nose. They're always just like
Speaker 6: Pete taking off your comforter.
Speaker 2: You know, they're being a little freaky spiky deeky's.
Speaker 4: So she feels someone sit on the edge of her
Speaker 4: bed and then they start crawling toward her. She was like,
Speaker 4: I'm done with this house, and she ended up staying
Speaker 4: with her brother for a while, who was I believe
Speaker 4: a grown adult that did not live with them. So
Speaker 4: at this point it's just the couple in the house.
Speaker 4: They call up some of their paranormal investigator friends, they
Speaker 4: start doing all their little gizmos and gadgets. They find
Speaker 4: that the temperature around the doll is different from other temperatures,
Speaker 4: so that might be something there that's weird. They use
Speaker 4: a spirit box, which is a device if you don't
Speaker 4: know that basically sweeps radio frequencies, and so you'll hear
Speaker 4: just like like it goes like that, and then you'll
Speaker 4: hear like a commercial or something go so I'm gonna
Speaker 4: kill you, like and so it's it's hard to describe
Speaker 4: if you've never seen it. Basically, the belief is if
Speaker 4: it's saying that when you when you're talking to it,
Speaker 4: it's not just a coincidence that it's saying that.
Speaker 1: Okay, mean so.
Speaker 6: Like for example, it's like when my kids paw patrol,
Speaker 6: my kids paw patrol walkie talkies start picking up radio
Speaker 6: frequencies from someone else. Like the other day, I heard
Speaker 6: man's voices coming out of my kids walkie talkies.
Speaker 2: Freaks me freak me out.
Speaker 5: I turned them off. I said, we're putting these way,
Speaker 5: we're not playing with these right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean when this is used for ghost hunting,
Speaker 4: like for example, they were talking, you know, they had
Speaker 4: a spear box next to Norman, and some of the
Speaker 4: things that was saying was fear me. And then another
Speaker 4: thing it said was that it wants Stephen to die.
Speaker 5: Specifically, it named him Steven.
Speaker 4: Yes, and there's actually a video somewhere online that I
Speaker 4: found of some of that as well. Okay, so Steven
Speaker 4: finds this woman online that's like I like haunted dolls.
Speaker 2: So he sells it to her.
Speaker 6: So Stephen, who's a paranormal researcher with Christina, they're both like,
Speaker 6: we're out.
Speaker 5: We're out on Norman.
Speaker 2: They're like, we gotta.
Speaker 4: Because the thing is like coming for for Christine Steve.
Speaker 4: And the belief that they are going with is maybe
Speaker 4: it is this little boy and he wants Christina as
Speaker 4: a mother and he doesn't want Stephen to get in
Speaker 4: the way. I don't know, they will get to that
Speaker 4: in a second. But so what they do is they
Speaker 4: sell it to this woman. They're like, we're gonna make
Speaker 4: a couple of bucks while we're at it. They sell
Speaker 4: it to her and they're like as soon as it's gone,
Speaker 4: they're like, oh do you smell that? It's like fresh air,
Speaker 4: Like everything's like it's wonderful.
Speaker 2: This part is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: They a knock on their door a couple days later
Speaker 4: or something, and there's the shipping box with Norman in it.
Speaker 4: It's sent back. They contact a woman. She's like, I
Speaker 4: didn't even receive it. They contact the post office. They're like,
Speaker 4: we don't know what.
Speaker 5: Norman was like, I know where I want to live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not with some lady off of eBay
Speaker 4: or whatever. So he, according according to this episode of
Speaker 4: a Haunting, he gets mad.
Speaker 2: He picks it up and he's like fuck, yeah. Well
Speaker 2: I don't know what he.
Speaker 4: Says, but he's like Norman and he's like shaking it
Speaker 4: or whatever, has a heart attack.
Speaker 2: No doesn't die though.
Speaker 4: So then now this is North Carolina, crazy hurricane heads
Speaker 4: and the lights go out, they're hearing whispers in their ears.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: They investigate a noise that they hear upstairs. They go
Speaker 4: upstairs and they see this scary black figure and they
Speaker 4: actually took a photograph of it. I don't have the photograph,
Speaker 4: but it is in that episode. You should everyone should
Speaker 4: watch it because I basically just ripped all this stuff
Speaker 4: off from that episode. But go watch it and you'll
Speaker 4: see it's really cool. Because they capture like this scary
Speaker 4: creature on camera. So they decide to give They're like, okay,
Speaker 4: he's here. You know what we're not. There's no getting
Speaker 4: rid of them. Yeah, we try to make a couple
Speaker 4: of bucks. We had probably had to give the woman
Speaker 4: a refund so.
Speaker 5: Pay the shipping ye handling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so now maybe medical bills had a heart attack. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is getting pricey. So they decide we're just gonna
Speaker 4: give him his own room. We're gonna make him feel
Speaker 4: at home. We're gonna lock him up.
Speaker 5: Okay, real estate, who has the space for that. I
Speaker 5: give hant doll its own room. My children don't have
Speaker 5: their own room.
Speaker 4: I know this fucking doll. So they're just like, we're
Speaker 4: gonna keep him here. They start to believe that maybe
Speaker 4: he's the child, that child, the original child that died
Speaker 4: at birth. I like this theory as being a possibility.
Speaker 4: Maybe it grew up just as a regular person. Now
Speaker 4: it's a grown man.
Speaker 6: Oh so like the soul of Norman that went into Norman,
Speaker 6: the soul of the Debt of the Twin went into
Speaker 6: Norman and then continued to grow.
Speaker 5: So now it's like an adult inside the So we always.
Speaker 4: Think, like you see these little kid ghosts, that maybe
Speaker 4: it was a little kid that died or whatever. But
Speaker 4: like I like the idea that maybe you get older.
Speaker 6: And so Norman went through puberty, Norman was jerking off
Speaker 6: into tissues. Then Norman like grew into himself, got facial.
Speaker 2: Hair, but he can't really participate. I mean that would
Speaker 2: make you piss.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're just you're trapped in it all.
Speaker 4: You're trapped in an antique store for who knows how long.
Speaker 4: Now that wouldn't be fun. That kind of sounds like
Speaker 4: what you were saying is when you were a kid
Speaker 4: just having to sit there in the antique store.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and now I'm creepy as fuck. I'm haunting people.
Speaker 4: So they put him in there and they claim that
Speaker 4: they have heard because in the locked room they've heard giggles,
Speaker 4: they've heard footsteps.
Speaker 6: The giggles, But like, wouldn't it be more of a
Speaker 6: like a hall it was an older man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably watching listening to Joe Rogany.
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm not getting vaccinated.
Speaker 4: They heard the rocking chair move in there, so that
Speaker 4: was that on that shit. However, have a segment on
Speaker 4: the show where I go to eBay and I look
Speaker 4: for haunted dolls?
Speaker 5: Is Norman up there?
Speaker 2: Norman is currently up for sir.
Speaker 6: Sale on How has no freak bought Norman yet? Well,
Speaker 6: there's so many people that want that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: We need a rich freak. How much twenty thousand? Okay,
Speaker 4: as far as I know, this is legit?
Speaker 6: And what are they going to hand deliver him? He
Speaker 6: obviously won't go usps.
Speaker 2: It's I know, he's.
Speaker 6: Like, I fly first. If it's for business, I fly first,
Speaker 6: or business.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and this is business. You could also make an offer,
Speaker 4: but here it is. This is those current listing. Well,
Speaker 4: same town, Beulaville, North Carolina.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: Wow, Wow, I can't believe you found Normy.
Speaker 2: I clicked it.
Speaker 4: Well, it actually I worked backwards. I was looking for
Speaker 4: haunted dolls and I found this. I said, twenty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars Norman who?
Speaker 6: And does it say featured in The Haunting and everything?
Speaker 2: The credits at this Pointich.
Speaker 5: Is on IMDb.
Speaker 4: Yes, I believe that that is the same man from
Speaker 4: the man that we saw typing so Phantom Works Incorporated. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I believe that's him that is selling this doll. He's
Speaker 4: also the one that wrote the books. I believe it
Speaker 4: says well, it says the world's most haunted doll. Now
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's necessarily true yet, but I'm
Speaker 4: working on it. I'm giving you some clout right now,
Speaker 4: world's most haunted doll has been exhumed from his secret
Speaker 4: grave and ready to move on. The haunting of Norman
Speaker 4: has been chronicled in the paranormal best selling books Norman Colon,
Speaker 4: The Doll that Needed to Be Locked Away and Norman Too,
Speaker 4: The True Story of a Possessed Dolls Revenge. I think
Speaker 4: that there's more to this story that I don't know yet,
Speaker 4: but I do want to buy these books because I
Speaker 4: read an excerpt online and it's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I a lot.
Speaker 4: It's also been on Travel Channel and Discovery plaz most notably,
Speaker 4: some of his activity was documented in a Haunting Colon
Speaker 4: the Norman Doll credits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so credit.
Speaker 5: Is working, booked and blessed.
Speaker 4: So now there are some security videos on the eBay listing.
Speaker 4: It looks like Norman is moon. I don't know what
Speaker 4: Norman is doing.
Speaker 3: Is there?
Speaker 2: Videos are just still stills? But oh, this is Norman Too,
Speaker 2: the book.
Speaker 5: That he wrote.
Speaker 6: So this man is profiting off of Like these books
Speaker 6: are written by the man who.
Speaker 2: Owns Norman, because of Norman. Yeah the least he can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at this is that?
Speaker 4: I think that that's Norman figure and like, no, but
Speaker 4: I think this is like is that. I don't know
Speaker 4: what I'm looking at. It's some kind of attic or something.
Speaker 4: It looks like Norman's upside down.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I can't hanging doll in the attic.
Speaker 2: No no, no, it's creepy. Twenty thousand dollars. I mean
Speaker 2: that's certainly.
Speaker 5: Let's get a go fundme going.
Speaker 6: Where As I think that needs to be in your
Speaker 6: podcast studio.
Speaker 2: I don't want a grown man.
Speaker 5: Or even a yeah, whatever it is, you don't want
Speaker 5: to haunt a doll.
Speaker 2: No, I gotta take care of him. I don't. I
Speaker 2: just don't want to deal with that. But somebody I
Speaker 2: would love.
Speaker 5: How does it show how long it's been up on
Speaker 5: eBay for? Like how long a house has been on
Speaker 5: the market.
Speaker 4: Well, there's nineteen people watching it.
Speaker 2: It might be one of them. I don't know where
Speaker 2: it says that's okay.
Speaker 6: I'm just wondering, Like I didn't know if these were
Speaker 6: like sometimes they're timed right, like it auction runs out,
Speaker 6: but I guess that's the only people bid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is they're like, it's by it now, honey,
Speaker 4: twenty thousand, So I don't know how long it's been up,
Speaker 4: but good luck to everyone.
Speaker 2: Oh there's well okay, well that's that. You want to
Speaker 2: hear some ghost voices? Yes, okay, sure.
Speaker 4: It's time for EVP or ev plicse.
Speaker 1: What's EVP?
Speaker 2: EVP stands for Electronic voice phenomenal?
Speaker 5: Oh got it?
Speaker 4: So anytime a ghost hunter believes they've captured a ghost speaking, it's.
Speaker 6: Called an EVP, EVP or an ev police.
Speaker 4: So what I do is I go to YouTube and
Speaker 4: I look for alleged EVPs that people have posted, and
Speaker 4: I want you to tell me what this ghost huntka
Speaker 4: has caught. This first one was posted by Price Paranormal.
Speaker 4: They don't necessarily say where, but they do say, quote
Speaker 4: a small, low level cemetery that's shade, A small.
Speaker 6: Low nobody of any importance is buried here. It's not
Speaker 6: your forest lawn, that's for sure. It's Hollywood forever.
Speaker 2: Okay, what is it saying?
Speaker 5: How do I get to your mom? I can't hear it.
Speaker 2: I definitely hear like a huh.
Speaker 5: How hell, I don't know what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: I'll give you some options. Okay, is it a how'd
Speaker 2: you get so cute? B? Heather goes to Heaven? See?
Speaker 2: How do I get somewhere?
Speaker 4: Or D I'll take two ears of corn?
Speaker 2: See how do I get somewhere?
Speaker 5: That's what I hear?
Speaker 4: How do I get somewhere? They believe it's B Heather
Speaker 4: goes to Heaven?
Speaker 5: I mean kind it would be Heather goozed.
Speaker 2: To have like it's like not Heather goose To Like I'm.
Speaker 5: Hearing it, but it's someone. It's a southern California ghost.
Speaker 5: It's like Heather gives to heaven.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. So this next one is from co O
Speaker 2: T N Paranormal.
Speaker 6: Okay, and you're gonna give me choices again. I won't guess, no,
Speaker 6: but I like a guest. First.
Speaker 2: It is at the James John L. Dread House and
Speaker 2: bluff Dale Township, which is near L Dread, Illinois. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is in a room that is known as the
Speaker 2: Cheese Room. What is this ghost saying? Okay? This one's
Speaker 2: very light whisper.
Speaker 6: Okay, I don't I saw her inventor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, up, I saw her invent her. I saw her
Speaker 2: invent her. She was not all that because.
Speaker 4: Like the movie, she's all that. It's like I saw
Speaker 4: her inventor. Well, here's some options. Is it A I
Speaker 4: saw you put that back?
Speaker 2: Is it B? Sorry about your clothes?
Speaker 1: Ooh that shady?
Speaker 2: See, Sorry I have to go?
Speaker 4: Or D the movie saw is not that good.
Speaker 1: I think it might be sorry about your.
Speaker 4: Clothes, Sorry about your clothes, Sorry about them?
Speaker 2: That is so mean. Sorry I have to go, is
Speaker 2: what they believe.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I have to go.
Speaker 2: It's so soft, so soft, But I kind of like
Speaker 2: that in a man.
Speaker 6: But it's like like ce ASMR.
Speaker 2: It is very asmr. Yeah, but the ghost is like, sorry,
Speaker 2: I go.
Speaker 5: Also, your clothes are bad, so I have to leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, clothes suck. Okay, well let's do one last. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna list off a bunch of paranormally type things,
Speaker 4: and I want you to tell me if you believe
Speaker 4: in it, if you don't believe in it, if you
Speaker 4: have a story.
Speaker 6: I also have to tell you that when I saw
Speaker 6: Blair Witch Project, the movie, I was a counselor at
Speaker 6: my camp, which i've already brought up. I was the
Speaker 6: movie came out. I was eighteen. I saw it in
Speaker 6: the theater. I was living outdoors at the time, like
Speaker 6: in a tent every night. My brother had told me
Speaker 6: that it was a real movie based on found footage.
Speaker 2: That was the best part of that.
Speaker 6: I knew nothing about it and I went to it.
Speaker 6: My brother was like, oh, yeah, they found this footage
Speaker 6: of these kids in Maryland. They found it and this
Speaker 6: is what they found. And I went to go see.
Speaker 6: It was like the most terrified I've ever been. Then
Speaker 6: I had to go back to sleep.
Speaker 5: In my tent outside in the woods. It was so terrifying.
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 6: So I guess I do believe in ghosts because I
Speaker 6: thought that was fully fucking real.
Speaker 2: I know, God, do you believe in like Bigfoot?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: No, they have Bigfoot in Vermont?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well we do like a little thing at family
Speaker 6: camp called a Yetti hunt, where somebody dresses up in
Speaker 6: like a costume and the kids go try to find
Speaker 6: him in the woods. So it's definitely part of the lore.
Speaker 6: But I don't think it's real.
Speaker 2: Okay, But I just.
Speaker 6: Don't believe there's an animal that's that elusive. We've caught
Speaker 6: every other animal on the planet.
Speaker 2: How can we not if it was like a man?
Speaker 6: The bigfoot is a man? Yeah, well, I mean we
Speaker 6: caught every human, haven't. I mean, like, what, we're not
Speaker 6: finding a man dressed You think he's dressed as a yetti?
Speaker 2: No, he just it's like a oh, it's like a
Speaker 2: type of.
Speaker 5: Chrol Magnany type man.
Speaker 2: That's just out like smart enough to hide.
Speaker 5: Smart enough to hide?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and where do we think both bigfoot lives?
Speaker 5: He's cited all over the place in America?
Speaker 4: Literally, I've done my research there. Every single state says
Speaker 4: that they have a bigfoot, right.
Speaker 2: I think it's the same man.
Speaker 4: And he's just traveling around by foot, impregnating the local female.
Speaker 4: Big big feet, That's what I think. And there's it's spreading.
Speaker 4: It has to be stopped. Yeah, Okay. What do you
Speaker 4: think about the idea of like a demon?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Do you think that's real?
Speaker 6: Well, I've never really thought about whether it's real or not.
Speaker 6: But I watched this TV show called Evil. Have you
Speaker 6: ever watched that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it's on CBS, which sounds crazy because like,
Speaker 6: why would we watch anything on CBS? But now it's
Speaker 6: on paramount pluses and my husband and I are obsessed
Speaker 6: with it. It's like a team of three people that
Speaker 6: like hunt demons. One woman is a psychologis just one
Speaker 6: guy is a priest and the other guy's a tech guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah okay, aus if Mandy is in it and the
Speaker 6: guy from Luke Cage is in it and this other
Speaker 6: woman and I'm my husband and I are obsessed with it,
Speaker 6: and it's like it's gross, like some of it's really bloody,
Speaker 6: but like there are demons. Basically, it's kind of like
Speaker 6: a murdercery wrote type of thing where they're like a
Speaker 6: team and they investigate like paranormal happenings.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they can be explained.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's like explained by like, oh, there's a technology
Speaker 6: they ate this weird kind of mushroom it makes it
Speaker 6: makes stigmata happen on your body. Like sometimes it's explained away.
Speaker 6: Other times. There's also another full demon plotline running through
Speaker 6: it where people are possessed by demons and like Satan
Speaker 6: is trying to like actively take down this team, and
Speaker 6: it's really fun.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that it's probably based on real things.
Speaker 6: Yeah people, Yes, yes, I bet you, I bet you.
Speaker 6: It is you should watch this show Evil. It's really good.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've never like, I don't know. I'm such
Speaker 6: a like see it to believe it kind of person.
Speaker 6: I've never like seen like anything.
Speaker 4: So the demon visited you in the mid of the night,
Speaker 4: you'd be like, okay, please.
Speaker 5: I would be like, I'm dreaming like a demon.
Speaker 2: You ever had sleep paralysis? No good for you? You
Speaker 2: sleep on your stomach?
Speaker 5: No, I sleep on my sides me too.
Speaker 2: What do you.
Speaker 4: Think about like curses? Ooh, do you think that that's
Speaker 4: a real thing?
Speaker 5: I think that could be real. Really I could.
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 6: I could kind of get behind that now when that
Speaker 6: you can like give something bad energy or like yeah,
Speaker 6: set something on someone.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 6: My husband is cursed about like technology, like he truly
Speaker 6: like has we call it gremlins. We're always like you
Speaker 6: have gremlins like he he can't Like he'll be like
Speaker 6: the printer's not working and I'll go in and I'll
Speaker 6: press like one button and it works, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean?
Speaker 5: He just like cannot do anything with tech.
Speaker 2: Do you think and I think it's a curse.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's given to the first male born family in
Speaker 6: West Virginia in January, born in January?
Speaker 2: Is that true? No?
Speaker 6: No, But I mean that's the closest I can come
Speaker 6: to think of like a curse in my real life.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, because there's like some like the Kennedy.
Speaker 5: The Kennedys are cursed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like do you believe that that's real? Or is
Speaker 4: it coincidence?
Speaker 6: I mean with when you get down to it, I
Speaker 6: think it's probably coincidence.
Speaker 5: But I have definitely thought that that family is cursed before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what do you think? I think it's possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know the root of why how
Speaker 4: did that happen?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I don't think.
Speaker 6: I don't think some old witch on Cape cod like
Speaker 6: you know, curse their claim chowder or whatever. Like I
Speaker 6: don't think that's like what happened. But it is like
Speaker 6: a wild amount of tragedy for one family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's when it's like, you know, could it
Speaker 4: be a coincidence because they're in so many high stake situations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're a public family. There's many of them, they're
Speaker 5: a large family. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Okay, last one that kind of goes along with that,
Speaker 4: like synchronousities.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you.
Speaker 4: Are you a kind person that goes right place at
Speaker 4: the right time, like that was supposed to happen. It's
Speaker 4: so weird that you're here and I'm there.
Speaker 6: Yes, like serendipity, serendipitous stuff. Yes, I totally believe in
Speaker 6: all that.
Speaker 2: Can you think of a time I don't.
Speaker 6: Know, oh, man, Like it's like one of those things
Speaker 6: that happens all the time where I'm like, we were
Speaker 6: just talking about this person and then I ran into that.
Speaker 6: I know that that's like sounds just like coincidence or whatever.
Speaker 6: But I always feel like it's so real.
Speaker 4: I've had a couple of times I was supposed to
Speaker 4: be at a place, didn't.
Speaker 5: Go, and then something bad happened there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: My friend her twin brothers both narrowly escape missed being
Speaker 6: a part of nine to eleven. One of them was
Speaker 6: supposed to be on the flight. Her twin brothers are
Speaker 6: identical twins. One was supposed to be on the flight
Speaker 6: that went into DC. One of them was supposed to
Speaker 6: be in one of the towers and like move their
Speaker 6: trip like at the last minute.
Speaker 5: Oh my, So it's like crazy.
Speaker 6: Both of her brothers like avoided nine to eleven, like
Speaker 6: very so that kind of stuff. I'm always like, ooh,
Speaker 6: like I kind of what is like, yeah, what is that?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: But I guess what my question is is are you
Speaker 4: a type of person that looks that looks at that
Speaker 4: as going this is not a coincidence.
Speaker 6: Like I think there's some kind of like higher power
Speaker 6: controlling it. I don't know, Yeah, I probably am like
Speaker 6: I definitely will be like to my husband, I'll be like.
Speaker 5: Can you believe it?
Speaker 6: And now I'm trying to think of a fucking example.
Speaker 6: My mind is blank because I know your children has
Speaker 6: like truly like wrung all of the juice out of
Speaker 6: my brain. But like I've and I've been like can
Speaker 6: you believe X Y Z? And He'll be like okay,
Speaker 6: like and I'm like, no, that's like I don't know.
Speaker 6: I kind of believe it. I have a little bit
Speaker 6: more belief in it, much more since I moved.
Speaker 2: To La Oh.
Speaker 5: I didn't believe any of this shit before I moved here.
Speaker 2: Have you been to a psychic in my No?
Speaker 5: I never have.
Speaker 6: I know I should go. We had them in New
Speaker 6: York everywhere. I was so broke, and there were so
Speaker 6: many in my neighborhood. I never went, and now that
Speaker 6: I'm here, I always I want to go to one
Speaker 6: that people recommend.
Speaker 5: Maybe you can tell me one.
Speaker 2: I don't believe in that.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, no, no, I believe in I do believe.
Speaker 4: It's like I don't believe in recommending psychis.
Speaker 5: Oh so I have to be like drawn to one.
Speaker 2: You think, well, what I can do is go this person.
Speaker 4: I like their approach, uh huh, but you are not
Speaker 4: going to hold me accountable if.
Speaker 6: They're oh sure, I'm not going to be like you know,
Speaker 6: I get I've gotten tarot readings.
Speaker 4: It's like when you recommend like a YouTube video, like
Speaker 4: you're like, you.
Speaker 6: Gotta watch this funny video, and then you watch somebody
Speaker 6: watch it and they're like, right, it was to me.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel about psychics now.
Speaker 6: When there's some psychics that I hate people talk about
Speaker 6: on podcasts when they're like she's amazing, one hundred percent
Speaker 6: right all of the time, and I'm like, how how
Speaker 6: can that be? I don't know if I believe in psychics,
Speaker 6: especially like when I see them on television and it's
Speaker 6: like they're doing like the Housewives.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you think they didn't google you? Like this
Speaker 5: is crazy, but I done, Taro.
Speaker 6: Actually, I got a tarot reading when I was pregnant
Speaker 6: with my second child, and she said, I'm feeling very
Speaker 6: feminine energy around this baby. And I was like, I'm
Speaker 6: having a girl. I'm having a girl and it was
Speaker 6: a boy. But you know what, who knows?
Speaker 1: Ooh, who knows.
Speaker 5: I'm waiting for the feminine energy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Fun you know so well, Caro clag
Speaker 2: you did it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 6: Like, I mean, you really got me thinking about things
Speaker 6: I don't really think about because I think about it,
Speaker 6: I forgot that. I'm like, oh, I do buy some
Speaker 6: of this shit, like I I think when I would
Speaker 6: it before, like I would usually describe myself as like
Speaker 6: more of a skeptic, a New York City type of personality,
Speaker 6: where I'm like, I don't believe any of this shit,
Speaker 6: but like when I really do think about it, curses, serendipity,
Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff, I'm sort of like, maybe.
Speaker 2: Never say never that I want to hear you talk
Speaker 2: about anything.
Speaker 4: So I'm happy to hear you talk about to hear
Speaker 4: your views on this now.
Speaker 5: You're so nice.
Speaker 1: That's such a nice thing.
Speaker 4: You're such a good podcast that you can just like
Speaker 4: make anything well work.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean I have a podcast, tell us about it.
Speaker 6: My podcast is called That's Messed Up. It's you know,
Speaker 6: I guess, I guess, So that's what they tell it.
Speaker 5: Touring, touring, go all over the place.
Speaker 1: I mean, you should tour.
Speaker 5: Do do this live.
Speaker 2: We have, but I want to. I'm going to do
Speaker 2: way more soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: People love this stuff.
Speaker 2: So everyone listening, get ready.
Speaker 5: Get ready for your tickets. No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my podcast is about lawn order ress for you
Speaker 6: if you're interested in that show or in true crime,
Speaker 6: because we talk about the true crime that it was
Speaker 6: based on, and then we also interview an actor from
Speaker 6: the show. So we've gotten to talk to some cool people.
Speaker 6: So if you want to listen, it's wherever you get
Speaker 6: your bonds.
Speaker 2: And if you're in La Wednesday night, oh.
Speaker 6: Yes, and Roz comes on and kills it and I
Speaker 6: wasn't there the last time you did it, and I'm pissed,
Speaker 6: so you got to come back soon. I have a
Speaker 6: show called Better Half Comedy every Wednesday at Barbandini and
Speaker 6: Echo Park.
Speaker 2: It's a good one. Come on Bye, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Thanks for doing this, thanks for having me behind you,
Speaker 4: and we're out. Thank you so much to Cara Klank.
Speaker 4: Go watch the YouTube version of that episode and the
Speaker 4: link and the description. You can also find my Patreon there,
Speaker 4: which I'm not currently updating, but lots of content on there,
Speaker 4: including full length episodes of me just by myself talking
Speaker 4: about paranormal stuff. I'm on Instagram at roz Hernandez TikTok
Speaker 4: and Twitter at It's roz Hernandez. Make sure you are subscribed,
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Speaker 4: talk to you next week. I love you all, both
Speaker 4: living and dead.
Speaker 2: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
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