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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky, JOOKI.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Hey, I'm ged, I does says, Oh,

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Speaker 3: hey boo, it's me Roz.

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Speaker 4: I've got an episode today with Kara Klank, who's a

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Speaker 4: hilarious comedian and writer.

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Speaker 2: She hosts a podcast called That's Messed.

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Speaker 4: Up, a very popular podcast about true crime and law

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Speaker 4: and order s v U and I love Kara so much.

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Speaker 4: We talk about a really terrifying haunted doll that I

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Speaker 4: had never heard of that is named Norman. If you

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Speaker 4: haven't heard of Norman, look him up. Very scary. There's

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Speaker 4: a video that I found on YouTube of him moving

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Speaker 4: on his own.

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Speaker 2: Gave me nightmares.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of I wanted to read a story.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I love it when people send me stories. It makes

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Speaker 4: my day, makes my life better. Every time I get

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Speaker 4: to get a little email notification at ghosted by Roz

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Speaker 4: at gmail dot com. And this one comes from Patrick.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Patrick.

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Speaker 4: Patrick tells me that sometime around two thousand and three,

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Speaker 4: my now ex wife Jess and I were living in

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Speaker 4: a condo in Fullerton, California. Oh my god, I lived

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Speaker 4: in Fullerton at one point. Though the condo was small,

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Speaker 4: the bedroom was large and doubled as an office and

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Speaker 4: music studio. One night, Jess awoke to the sound of

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Speaker 4: our dog, zeroling. Jess looked where the dog's attention was

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Speaker 4: which she later described as quote, an entity that appeared

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Speaker 4: more stretched and tall than a human. The body was

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Speaker 4: a white mist, but it was contained in a form.

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Speaker 4: The figure was hunched over a piece of recording equipment

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Speaker 4: I had just purchased. After a moment, the figure kind

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Speaker 4: of looked at Jess, stood up straight and moved toward

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Speaker 4: the door at the far right of the room. Jess

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Speaker 4: glanced down at Zero, who was still growling and tracking

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Speaker 4: the figure faded and disappeared. Jess nudged me and said,

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Speaker 4: and I barely responded. The next day was busy and

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Speaker 4: we didn't discuss it. That night, I was awakened by

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Speaker 4: Zero growling. I sat up in bed and flung my

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Speaker 4: I didn't see anything, but Zero was still growling. I

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Speaker 4: There I saw a tall, slender, ghostly figure that appeared

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Speaker 4: to be checking out my new recording equipment. After a

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Speaker 4: I noticed Zero was still nervously growling and tracking the figure.

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Speaker 4: We both watched it exit the open bedroom door. I

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Speaker 4: had stirred when I got out of bed and groggly

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Speaker 4: asked me what was up. When I came back to bed,

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Speaker 4: I said, we'll talk about it later, and I went

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Speaker 4: back to sleep. That night, at dinner, I had an

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Speaker 4: nights prior. She apprehensively told me her story. As her

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Speaker 4: tale unfolded, I smirked, and Jess thought that I was

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Speaker 4: doubting her, but I was actually holy shitting how exactly

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Speaker 4: her sighting mirrored mine. Jess even referenced the dog as

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Speaker 4: fact that we both saw the same thing independently, and

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Speaker 4: our dog's actions seemed to validate both of our experiences.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember why, but we named the entity Alice.

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Speaker 4: We never felt Alice malevolent, and neither of us ever

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Speaker 4: saw it again. However, sometimes we'd come home and Zero

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Speaker 4: would be visibly upset, and we'd blame Alice. Note yes,

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Speaker 4: Zero is named after the ghost dog in Nightmare Before Christmas. Also,

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Speaker 4: while verifying details of this story with Jess, she reminded

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Speaker 4: me of this quote. Do you remember how we'd see

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Speaker 4: tiny streaks of light up by the ceiling. Sometimes they

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Speaker 4: something weird until one night it happened while we were

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Speaker 4: watching TV and you said.

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Speaker 2: You see that too, right?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Patrick, thank you so much for sending me that.

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Speaker 4: That is such a weird story, because it's like ghosts

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Speaker 4: can just do they can like appear many different ways.

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Speaker 4: There's like different so many different species of ghosts like that.

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Speaker 4: of a room, like, it's so strange, so strange.

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Speaker 2: How this works out.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like it's a it's not a fully cooked

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Speaker 4: ghost yet, it's still still in the oven before it

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Speaker 4: can be like a full body apparition with facial features.

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Speaker 4: It's a cool story. Thanks for sending me that. Okay, well,

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Speaker 4: I say we get into the episode. There is a

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Speaker 4: video version of this episode and most of my episodes,

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Speaker 4: so go to the link in the description of this episode,

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Speaker 4: or just go to YouTube and type in Ghosted by

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Speaker 4: ros Fernandez. You'll find all kinds of videos. I'd love

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Speaker 4: if you watched them. And oh my god, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm just going to tell you right off the

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Speaker 4: top here. I may I forget if I already told

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Speaker 4: you this, because I've kind of been banking episode that.

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Speaker 4: I did a bunch of them over the past few weeks.

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Speaker 4: This one I recorded, I believe in January, like shortly

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Speaker 4: after Christmas, early January. But I recorded an episode with

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Speaker 4: the man who created celebrity ghost stories, and so we

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Speaker 4: have an action packed episode coming at you. I think

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a two parter or maybe there's

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Speaker 4: a lot. There's a lot going on with it, so

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Speaker 4: that will be coming up soon, so make sure you're subscribed. Okay,

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Speaker 4: here we go. Here is me talking to Kara Klank

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Speaker 4: on with the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by Kara Clank high ras.

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Speaker 5: It's so good to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. How are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 6: I've been following your podcast for a while and even

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Speaker 6: though I don't have like a particular ghost story, I've

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Speaker 6: always wanted to be invited on and I was so

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Speaker 6: happy when you make one message me.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe in ghosts?

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Speaker 5: Here's a thing.

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Speaker 6: Not really, but I know if I had an experience,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get so much eight are.

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Speaker 5: They gonna comfort me?

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Speaker 2: Are mean?

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying. I'm not saying I don't believe definitively.

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Speaker 6: I just have not had like a ghost experience. I

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Speaker 6: think I'm like a very high strung person and I

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Speaker 6: move very fast, and I don't think I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: the ghosts can't get me, Like I'm just like I'm multitasking.

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Speaker 5: I got two kids, guys.

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Speaker 6: A ghost could like come up and smack me in

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Speaker 6: the face and I would be like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Don't worry nobody's mean. I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love to hear just people's ideas, their thoughts if

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Speaker 4: they believe, and I just very it makes me very

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Speaker 4: curious because I kind of like use this podcast as

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Speaker 4: like a survey to see what different people think. I think,

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Speaker 4: particularly if you've never had an experience, I find it

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Speaker 4: really interesting to hear what maybe a ghost could be

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Speaker 4: to you, because surely you know people that have had

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Speaker 4: have told you yes, so totally do you believe them?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean even if it's like a loved one?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes a crazy person tells you a story about a

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Speaker 5: So I don't know if I believe that, but I

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Speaker 6: I definitely have heard stories where I'm like, whoa, that

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Speaker 6: sounds like you really experience something. But then it's like

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Speaker 6: But like they basically John Daffer was like snap out

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Speaker 6: I look, a ghost story, a ghost movie definitely makes

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Speaker 6: Like I do believe in some ghosty So I kind

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Speaker 6: of believe people that are dead or watching us, you

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Speaker 6: Well, I was raised Jewish, okay, So I wouldn't say

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Speaker 6: we were super ghosty okay in that way. So I

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Speaker 6: went to summer camp for ten years, three as a

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Speaker 6: summer camp, like got married there.

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Speaker 5: It's in Vermont, and I go back every year usually.

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Speaker 6: I mean before pandemic, I was going back almost every

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Speaker 6: last year I went back, I took my kids. I

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Speaker 6: like worked for a week and in Vermont it's like

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Speaker 6: a free vacation. It's so cute. It's so beautiful. I'm

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Speaker 6: obsessed and so forever. So the way the camp is,

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Speaker 6: you know, situated on this like sort of hillside, and

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Speaker 6: So above one of the units is this place called

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Speaker 6: Wedding Ring, and.

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Speaker 5: It's like very.

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Speaker 6: Very special place where we have like Sunday service where

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Speaker 6: people like like give kudos to people that did something

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Speaker 6: little camp like campfire acoustic guitar that kind of like

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Speaker 5: And so she haunts she died. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: Oh I love a good like urban legend.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, Like when you say that, it reminds me

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Speaker 5: That's what I think I believe in.

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Speaker 4: And I also have a theory that because therapy wasn't

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Speaker 5: I know they think they couldn't process.

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Speaker 2: They didn't process.

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Speaker 5: You hear about dying of a heartbreak, dying of loneliness.

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Speaker 4: Because they didn't have any They weren't on better help. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's what they needed. Yeah, exactly. Okay, Well, I want

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Speaker 4: to tell you about a famous story. Actually, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, this is not one I've heard of. And

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Speaker 2: I've had it with Annabelle No.

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Speaker 6: And you know what, I don't go to see a

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Speaker 5: So everyone's like.

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Speaker 6: Going to see M three gin right now, M Megan, Yes,

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Speaker 6: and I'm like, it's too scary for me.

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Speaker 4: She's she's really bursting onto the scene right now. I

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Speaker 6: But my husband just saw it with his movie wife.

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Speaker 6: I let him go to movie scary movies with another

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you like scary movies.

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Speaker 2: I love them.

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Speaker 4: But as far as I know, she is not based

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Speaker 4: in reality, right, Annabel is based in our true story really, yes,

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Speaker 6: And I sort of I do believe in that kind

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Speaker 2: I do believe in that totally. So I'm ready for

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Speaker 5: Tell me who's the new bitch on the block.

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Speaker 2: This new bitch on the block. I will get to

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Speaker 2: and I'll get to later how I discovered the new bitch.

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Speaker 5: On the block.

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Speaker 2: But her name is Norman.

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Speaker 5: It's a girl. Named Norman.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's a sheet of me. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's

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Speaker 4: supposed to be a boy. But okay, this is Norman

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Speaker 5: All love it and para Norman.

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Speaker 4: Yes, like the movie, and I'm here to give Norman

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Speaker 4: some clout because I want more people to know about Norman.

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Speaker 4: There has been two books written about Norman, and also

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Speaker 4: the TV show A Haunting, which is on Discovery Plus Now.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't find this episode of it because I think

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Speaker 4: it was a newer season.

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Speaker 4: I actually bought the episode on YouTube, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna lie. This TV show A Haunting pretty good.

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Speaker 5: Really.

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Speaker 2: If they need hold it pop up video joke, it

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Speaker 5: Please. That's not what I do for a living. It

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Speaker 2: I could get. It's uh. It's kind of a good

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Speaker 4: It's like the real people tell stories and then they

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Speaker 6: Like okay, scary, Yeah, isn't that kind of like that

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Speaker 5: Now, I can't think of the name of More.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard a lot about it.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, Okay, so I don't know for sure,

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Speaker 2: Worst years, in one of the worst year history.

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Speaker 4: So some highlights of that year for me were that

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Speaker 2: And also there was.

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Speaker 4: A couple in Beulahville, North Carolina that found a haunted

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Speaker 4: I want to be me too. So Stephen Lancaster is

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Speaker 4: who we're talking about here. He's a paranormal investigator. He

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Speaker 4: and his fiance Christina, they're antique fan. Are you an

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Speaker 4: antique fan?

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Speaker 5: Not especially really happy to hear about it, though I

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Speaker 5: love it.

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Speaker 2: I love me and antique.

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Speaker 6: I think my dad used to like take me to

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Speaker 6: It's like it's like a trigger for me.

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Speaker 4: See, I love old. My family didn't like old crab. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: You gotta sage it up.

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Speaker 4: Well this you know, these people in particular PANELM investigators,

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Speaker 4: So when they found this doll, they were like jackpot.

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Speaker 4: So they're they're sniffing around the store and they find

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Speaker 2: That's like up and they're like, what is that weird box?

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Speaker 4: And has a lock on it, but the lock is

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Speaker 4: But you can tell that there's They shake it, they're

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Speaker 4: like there's something. So this guy he pulls out a

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Speaker 4: Actually I have a picture here, okay, Norman, Oh my god.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's like that's why the box was Jimmy

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Speaker 5: I don't like Norman.

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Speaker 4: Norman has got orange hair. I mean, I'm a little

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Speaker 4: bit chucky though. I don't want to push the stigma.

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Speaker 5: But we have a white glove on one hand.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting that hands are two different colors.

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Speaker 4: Looks like he's been through a fire of some sort. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Listen. A little orange woven wig.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is not real. I know a wig.

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Speaker 4: So they they're looking at it and they're like, perfect,

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Speaker 4: there's two women that are working there and they're like,

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Speaker 4: wherever that doll goes, there is some sadness that goes

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So there is kind of a sad triggering. There's all

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Speaker 4: There's always like there has to be like a one

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Speaker 2: So let's just cover it real quick.

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Speaker 4: One of the employees says, years ago, a woman was

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Speaker 2: The boy doll died at birth, the girl lived.

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Speaker 4: She believes six years later, the mother died in a fire,

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Speaker 2: Is what she.

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Speaker 4: Believes and the girl twin grew up and she brought

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Speaker 2: This is the story that they were told.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, back.

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Speaker 2: To the fun.

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Speaker 4: So the two the couple, let me make sure I

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Speaker 4: have their names again, Stephen and Christina. So Stephen, Christie.

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Speaker 4: They're like, what should we name this doll? And they're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: let's call it Norman because he doesn't look like a.

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Speaker 2: Doll nor a man.

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Speaker 4: Oh so these people, they must be dragon fans.

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Speaker 2: They know a pun.

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Speaker 4: So shortly after taking the doll home, in the middle

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Speaker 4: knocks pounding on his front door.

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00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: Now here's the thing.

446
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 4: In the paranormal there is a school, a thought of

447
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: people that believe that three like if you hear three

448
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 4: knocks or whatever, that means like evil's come in, right,

449
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 4: it's some something kind.

450
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: Of evil knock three times.

451
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 4: A lot of people think that it's like making fun

452
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: of the father's son holy Spirit. Like there's a lot

453
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 4: of theories out there. Okay, either way.

454
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 6: He would wage, I would argue, you don't want any

455
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 6: knocks on your door in the middle of the night,

456
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 6: any number.

457
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 5: But you're saying that it's also a of a cursed number.

458
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to knock at any hour of any day.

459
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: Poor landlord. He keeps stopping by to like give me.

460
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: He gave me a Christmas gift.

461
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 5: What was it?

462
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: Like chocolates and stuff?

463
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: Oh, but he would ring his doorbell and I'm like,

464
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: I don't know who that is.

465
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 2: I'm not answering.

466
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then finally, after like day weeks, finally it

467
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: was left on my.

468
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: Thing and I'm like it was him. This whole time, I.

469
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: Should have just checked do you have a people?

470
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: I do, but you can hear me creeping up. That's true.

471
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: I need to get a ring. Okay.

472
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 4: So that's actually what these people did. They put a

473
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 4: whole surveillance system in the entire house, and the only

474
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: places that they couldn't see was I believe it's Christina's daughter,

475
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 4: because again these two were fiancees at the time, so

476
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 4: I believe she had a daughter who is sixteen years old,

477
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 4: and they couldn't see her bathroom or her bedroom, but

478
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 4: otherwise they had ca everywhere. So one day, the daughter's

479
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: showering and she hears someone outside of the shower. She looks,

480
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: she's convinced her someone there.

481
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: There's no one there.

482
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 4: One day, Christina's grandchildren were being babysat by Steven, and

483
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: this is a real security video. If you're listening to this,

484
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to listen. You're gonna have to watch

485
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: the YouTube version of this, or you could find it

486
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 4: on YouTube as well, or if you watch the haunting

487
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 4: episode is also in there. This is Stephen. These are

488
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: grandkids that he's babysitting.

489
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 5: Is that a creepy doll or is that just the

490
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: doll right there?

491
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 4: The doll is nestled in the bed cozy. Keep your

492
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 4: eyes on the doll.

493
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god.

494
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: The doll is twisting its head back and forth, nearly

495
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 4: twisting it around the kid. Seems like he noticed, well, Stephen,

496
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if the kid does notice, but Stephen,

497
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: upon watching the video, was like, the doll is looking

498
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 4: at me to see if I'm going to leave or not.

499
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it.

500
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 6: Wow, I mean that because this doesn't look like the

501
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 6: kind of doll that like is like pivots its head

502
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 6: as part of its like functionality.

503
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 4: Raactly, And that's what he was saying, Like, I don't

504
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: even think, like the doll can't even do that, so, like,

505
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 4: how is it doing that?

506
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: It's creepy.

507
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 5: It is really creepy.

508
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: I know we got a star here.

509
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 4: This is a haunted all star Norman and more people

510
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 4: need to know about Norman Norman. So, okay, one night,

511
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 4: the daughter who's sixteen or whatever, she's sleeping. She feels

512
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 4: her blanket being pulled off.

513
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: Which I've seen that, I've heard of that that's common, right,

514
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 6: it's pretty colm somebody pulling off your blanket.

515
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: They don't ghost. I don't know why ghost won't let

516
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: you be closer.

517
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, like what does it goes differ? Come up and

518
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 6: just like tickle your little nose. They're always just like

519
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 6: Pete taking off your comforter.

520
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: You know, they're being a little freaky spiky deeky's.

521
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 4: So she feels someone sit on the edge of her

522
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 4: bed and then they start crawling toward her. She was like,

523
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: I'm done with this house, and she ended up staying

524
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: with her brother for a while, who was I believe

525
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: a grown adult that did not live with them. So

526
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: at this point it's just the couple in the house.

527
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: They call up some of their paranormal investigator friends, they

528
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: start doing all their little gizmos and gadgets. They find

529
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 4: that the temperature around the doll is different from other temperatures,

530
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: so that might be something there that's weird. They use

531
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 4: a spirit box, which is a device if you don't

532
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: know that basically sweeps radio frequencies, and so you'll hear

533
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 4: just like like it goes like that, and then you'll

534
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: hear like a commercial or something go so I'm gonna

535
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 4: kill you, like and so it's it's hard to describe

536
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 4: if you've never seen it. Basically, the belief is if

537
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: it's saying that when you when you're talking to it,

538
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: it's not just a coincidence that it's saying that.

539
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: Okay, mean so.

540
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 6: Like for example, it's like when my kids paw patrol,

541
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 6: my kids paw patrol walkie talkies start picking up radio

542
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 6: frequencies from someone else. Like the other day, I heard

543
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 6: man's voices coming out of my kids walkie talkies.

544
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Freaks me freak me out.

545
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 5: I turned them off. I said, we're putting these way,

546
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: we're not playing with these right now.

547
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean when this is used for ghost hunting,

548
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: like for example, they were talking, you know, they had

549
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: a spear box next to Norman, and some of the

550
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: things that was saying was fear me. And then another

551
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: thing it said was that it wants Stephen to die.

552
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: Specifically, it named him Steven.

553
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: Yes, and there's actually a video somewhere online that I

554
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: found of some of that as well. Okay, so Steven

555
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: finds this woman online that's like I like haunted dolls.

556
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: So he sells it to her.

557
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 6: So Stephen, who's a paranormal researcher with Christina, they're both like,

558
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 6: we're out.

559
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 5: We're out on Norman.

560
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: They're like, we gotta.

561
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: Because the thing is like coming for for Christine Steve.

562
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: And the belief that they are going with is maybe

563
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: it is this little boy and he wants Christina as

564
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: a mother and he doesn't want Stephen to get in

565
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: the way. I don't know, they will get to that

566
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: in a second. But so what they do is they

567
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: sell it to this woman. They're like, we're gonna make

568
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: a couple of bucks while we're at it. They sell

569
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: it to her and they're like as soon as it's gone,

570
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: they're like, oh do you smell that? It's like fresh air,

571
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: Like everything's like it's wonderful.

572
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: This part is unbelievable.

573
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: They a knock on their door a couple days later

574
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: or something, and there's the shipping box with Norman in it.

575
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 4: It's sent back. They contact a woman. She's like, I

576
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: didn't even receive it. They contact the post office. They're like,

577
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: we don't know what.

578
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 5: Norman was like, I know where I want to live.

579
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not with some lady off of eBay

580
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: or whatever. So he, according according to this episode of

581
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: a Haunting, he gets mad.

582
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: He picks it up and he's like fuck, yeah. Well

583
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what he.

584
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: Says, but he's like Norman and he's like shaking it

585
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: or whatever, has a heart attack.

586
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: No doesn't die though.

587
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: So then now this is North Carolina, crazy hurricane heads

588
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: and the lights go out, they're hearing whispers in their ears.

589
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

590
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: They investigate a noise that they hear upstairs. They go

591
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 4: upstairs and they see this scary black figure and they

592
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: actually took a photograph of it. I don't have the photograph,

593
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: but it is in that episode. You should everyone should

594
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: watch it because I basically just ripped all this stuff

595
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: off from that episode. But go watch it and you'll

596
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: see it's really cool. Because they capture like this scary

597
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: creature on camera. So they decide to give They're like, okay,

598
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 4: he's here. You know what we're not. There's no getting

599
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 4: rid of them. Yeah, we try to make a couple

600
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: of bucks. We had probably had to give the woman

601
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: a refund so.

602
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 5: Pay the shipping ye handling.

603
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so now maybe medical bills had a heart attack. Yeah,

604
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: this is getting pricey. So they decide we're just gonna

605
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: give him his own room. We're gonna make him feel

606
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: at home. We're gonna lock him up.

607
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 5: Okay, real estate, who has the space for that. I

608
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 5: give hant doll its own room. My children don't have

609
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 5: their own room.

610
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 4: I know this fucking doll. So they're just like, we're

611
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: gonna keep him here. They start to believe that maybe

612
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: he's the child, that child, the original child that died

613
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: at birth. I like this theory as being a possibility.

614
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: Maybe it grew up just as a regular person. Now

615
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: it's a grown man.

616
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 6: Oh so like the soul of Norman that went into Norman,

617
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 6: the soul of the Debt of the Twin went into

618
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 6: Norman and then continued to grow.

619
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: So now it's like an adult inside the So we always.

620
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: Think, like you see these little kid ghosts, that maybe

621
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: it was a little kid that died or whatever. But

622
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 4: like I like the idea that maybe you get older.

623
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 6: And so Norman went through puberty, Norman was jerking off

624
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: into tissues. Then Norman like grew into himself, got facial.

625
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: Hair, but he can't really participate. I mean that would

626
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: make you piss.

627
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're just you're trapped in it all.

628
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: You're trapped in an antique store for who knows how long.

629
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: Now that wouldn't be fun. That kind of sounds like

630
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: what you were saying is when you were a kid

631
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: just having to sit there in the antique store.

632
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, and now I'm creepy as fuck. I'm haunting people.

633
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: So they put him in there and they claim that

634
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: they have heard because in the locked room they've heard giggles,

635
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: they've heard footsteps.

636
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 6: The giggles, But like, wouldn't it be more of a

637
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 6: like a hall it was an older man.

638
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably watching listening to Joe Rogany.

639
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm not getting vaccinated.

640
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: They heard the rocking chair move in there, so that

641
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: was that on that shit. However, have a segment on

642
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: the show where I go to eBay and I look

643
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: for haunted dolls?

644
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: Is Norman up there?

645
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: Norman is currently up for sir.

646
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 6: Sale on How has no freak bought Norman yet? Well,

647
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 6: there's so many people that want that kind of stuff.

648
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: We need a rich freak. How much twenty thousand? Okay,

649
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: as far as I know, this is legit?

650
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 6: And what are they going to hand deliver him? He

651
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 6: obviously won't go usps.

652
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: It's I know, he's.

653
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 6: Like, I fly first. If it's for business, I fly first,

654
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 6: or business.

655
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: Exactly, and this is business. You could also make an offer,

656
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: but here it is. This is those current listing. Well,

657
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: same town, Beulaville, North Carolina.

658
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 6: Wow.

659
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 5: Wow, Wow, I can't believe you found Normy.

660
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: I clicked it.

661
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 4: Well, it actually I worked backwards. I was looking for

662
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: haunted dolls and I found this. I said, twenty thousand

663
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: dollars Norman who?

664
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 6: And does it say featured in The Haunting and everything?

665
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: The credits at this Pointich.

666
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 5: Is on IMDb.

667
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: Yes, I believe that that is the same man from

668
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 4: the man that we saw typing so Phantom Works Incorporated. Yeah,

669
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: I believe that's him that is selling this doll. He's

670
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: also the one that wrote the books. I believe it

671
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: says well, it says the world's most haunted doll. Now

672
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's necessarily true yet, but I'm

673
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 4: working on it. I'm giving you some clout right now,

674
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: world's most haunted doll has been exhumed from his secret

675
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 4: grave and ready to move on. The haunting of Norman

676
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: has been chronicled in the paranormal best selling books Norman Colon,

677
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: The Doll that Needed to Be Locked Away and Norman Too,

678
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: The True Story of a Possessed Dolls Revenge. I think

679
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: that there's more to this story that I don't know yet,

680
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: but I do want to buy these books because I

681
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 4: read an excerpt online and it's pretty good.

682
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: I a lot.

683
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 4: It's also been on Travel Channel and Discovery plaz most notably,

684
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: some of his activity was documented in a Haunting Colon

685
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 4: the Norman Doll credits.

686
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, so credit.

687
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 5: Is working, booked and blessed.

688
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: So now there are some security videos on the eBay listing.

689
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: It looks like Norman is moon. I don't know what

690
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: Norman is doing.

691
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: Is there?

692
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: Videos are just still stills? But oh, this is Norman Too,

693
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: the book.

694
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: That he wrote.

695
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 6: So this man is profiting off of Like these books

696
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 6: are written by the man who.

697
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: Owns Norman, because of Norman. Yeah the least he can do.

698
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at this is that?

699
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: I think that that's Norman figure and like, no, but

700
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: I think this is like is that. I don't know

701
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: what I'm looking at. It's some kind of attic or something.

702
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 4: It looks like Norman's upside down.

703
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I can't hanging doll in the attic.

704
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: No no, no, it's creepy. Twenty thousand dollars. I mean

705
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: that's certainly.

706
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: Let's get a go fundme going.

707
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 6: Where As I think that needs to be in your

708
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 6: podcast studio.

709
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't want a grown man.

710
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: Or even a yeah, whatever it is, you don't want

711
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: to haunt a doll.

712
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: No, I gotta take care of him. I don't. I

713
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: just don't want to deal with that. But somebody I

714
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: would love.

715
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 5: How does it show how long it's been up on

716
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: eBay for? Like how long a house has been on

717
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 5: the market.

718
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: Well, there's nineteen people watching it.

719
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: It might be one of them. I don't know where

720
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 2: it says that's okay.

721
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 6: I'm just wondering, Like I didn't know if these were

722
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 6: like sometimes they're timed right, like it auction runs out,

723
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 6: but I guess that's the only people bid.

724
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is they're like, it's by it now, honey,

725
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: twenty thousand, So I don't know how long it's been up,

726
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: but good luck to everyone.

727
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: Oh there's well okay, well that's that. You want to

728
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: hear some ghost voices? Yes, okay, sure.

729
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: It's time for EVP or ev plicse.

730
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: What's EVP?

731
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 2: EVP stands for Electronic voice phenomenal?

732
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 5: Oh got it?

733
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: So anytime a ghost hunter believes they've captured a ghost speaking, it's.

734
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 6: Called an EVP, EVP or an ev police.

735
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: So what I do is I go to YouTube and

736
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: I look for alleged EVPs that people have posted, and

737
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: I want you to tell me what this ghost huntka

738
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: has caught. This first one was posted by Price Paranormal.

739
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 4: They don't necessarily say where, but they do say, quote

740
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 4: a small, low level cemetery that's shade, A small.

741
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 6: Low nobody of any importance is buried here. It's not

742
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 6: your forest lawn, that's for sure. It's Hollywood forever.

743
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: Okay, what is it saying?

744
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 5: How do I get to your mom? I can't hear it.

745
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: I definitely hear like a huh.

746
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 5: How hell, I don't know what I'm hearing.

747
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: I'll give you some options. Okay, is it a how'd

748
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: you get so cute? B? Heather goes to Heaven? See?

749
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: How do I get somewhere?

750
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: Or D I'll take two ears of corn?

751
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: See how do I get somewhere?

752
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 5: That's what I hear?

753
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: How do I get somewhere? They believe it's B Heather

754
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: goes to Heaven?

755
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 5: I mean kind it would be Heather goozed.

756
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: To have like it's like not Heather goose To Like I'm.

757
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: Hearing it, but it's someone. It's a southern California ghost.

758
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 5: It's like Heather gives to heaven.

759
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. So this next one is from co O

760
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: T N Paranormal.

761
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 6: Okay, and you're gonna give me choices again. I won't guess, no,

762
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 6: but I like a guest. First.

763
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: It is at the James John L. Dread House and

764
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: bluff Dale Township, which is near L Dread, Illinois. Okay,

765
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: this is in a room that is known as the

766
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: Cheese Room. What is this ghost saying? Okay? This one's

767
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: very light whisper.

768
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 6: Okay, I don't I saw her inventor.

769
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, up, I saw her invent her. I saw her

770
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: invent her. She was not all that because.

771
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 4: Like the movie, she's all that. It's like I saw

772
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: her inventor. Well, here's some options. Is it A I

773
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 4: saw you put that back?

774
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: Is it B? Sorry about your clothes?

775
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: Ooh that shady?

776
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: See, Sorry I have to go?

777
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: Or D the movie saw is not that good.

778
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: I think it might be sorry about your.

779
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: Clothes, Sorry about your clothes, Sorry about them?

780
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: That is so mean. Sorry I have to go, is

781
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: what they believe.

782
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, I have to go.

783
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: It's so soft, so soft, But I kind of like

784
00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: that in a man.

785
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 6: But it's like like ce ASMR.

786
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: It is very asmr. Yeah, but the ghost is like, sorry,

787
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: I go.

788
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 5: Also, your clothes are bad, so I have to leave.

789
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, clothes suck. Okay, well let's do one last. Okay,

790
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna list off a bunch of paranormally type things,

791
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 4: and I want you to tell me if you believe

792
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: in it, if you don't believe in it, if you

793
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: have a story.

794
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 6: I also have to tell you that when I saw

795
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 6: Blair Witch Project, the movie, I was a counselor at

796
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 6: my camp, which i've already brought up. I was the

797
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 6: movie came out. I was eighteen. I saw it in

798
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 6: the theater. I was living outdoors at the time, like

799
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 6: in a tent every night. My brother had told me

800
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 6: that it was a real movie based on found footage.

801
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: That was the best part of that.

802
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 6: I knew nothing about it and I went to it.

803
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 6: My brother was like, oh, yeah, they found this footage

804
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 6: of these kids in Maryland. They found it and this

805
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 6: is what they found. And I went to go see.

806
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 6: It was like the most terrified I've ever been. Then

807
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 6: I had to go back to sleep.

808
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 5: In my tent outside in the woods. It was so terrifying.

809
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: I remember.

810
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 6: So I guess I do believe in ghosts because I

811
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 6: thought that was fully fucking real.

812
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: I know, God, do you believe in like Bigfoot?

813
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 5: No?

814
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: No, they have Bigfoot in Vermont?

815
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, well we do like a little thing at family

816
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 6: camp called a Yetti hunt, where somebody dresses up in

817
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 6: like a costume and the kids go try to find

818
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 6: him in the woods. So it's definitely part of the lore.

819
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 6: But I don't think it's real.

820
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: Okay, But I just.

821
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: Don't believe there's an animal that's that elusive. We've caught

822
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 6: every other animal on the planet.

823
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: How can we not if it was like a man?

824
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 6: The bigfoot is a man? Yeah, well, I mean we

825
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 6: caught every human, haven't. I mean, like, what, we're not

826
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 6: finding a man dressed You think he's dressed as a yetti?

827
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: No, he just it's like a oh, it's like a

828
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: type of.

829
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 5: Chrol Magnany type man.

830
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: That's just out like smart enough to hide.

831
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 5: Smart enough to hide?

832
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: Okay?

833
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, and where do we think both bigfoot lives?

834
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 5: He's cited all over the place in America?

835
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 4: Literally, I've done my research there. Every single state says

836
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: that they have a bigfoot, right.

837
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: I think it's the same man.

838
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 4: And he's just traveling around by foot, impregnating the local female.

839
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: Big big feet, That's what I think. And there's it's spreading.

840
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: It has to be stopped. Yeah, Okay. What do you

841
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 4: think about the idea of like a demon?

842
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: Oh?

843
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: Do you think that's real?

844
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 6: Well, I've never really thought about whether it's real or not.

845
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 6: But I watched this TV show called Evil. Have you

846
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 6: ever watched that?

847
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: No?

848
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it's on CBS, which sounds crazy because like,

849
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 6: why would we watch anything on CBS? But now it's

850
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 6: on paramount pluses and my husband and I are obsessed

851
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 6: with it. It's like a team of three people that

852
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 6: like hunt demons. One woman is a psychologis just one

853
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 6: guy is a priest and the other guy's a tech guy.

854
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 6: Yeah okay, aus if Mandy is in it and the

855
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 6: guy from Luke Cage is in it and this other

856
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 6: woman and I'm my husband and I are obsessed with it,

857
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 6: and it's like it's gross, like some of it's really bloody,

858
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 6: but like there are demons. Basically, it's kind of like

859
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 6: a murdercery wrote type of thing where they're like a

860
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 6: team and they investigate like paranormal happenings.

861
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: Sometimes they can be explained.

862
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's like explained by like, oh, there's a technology

863
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 6: they ate this weird kind of mushroom it makes it

864
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 6: makes stigmata happen on your body. Like sometimes it's explained away.

865
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 6: Other times. There's also another full demon plotline running through

866
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 6: it where people are possessed by demons and like Satan

867
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 6: is trying to like actively take down this team, and

868
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 6: it's really fun.

869
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure that it's probably based on real things.

870
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 6: Yeah people, Yes, yes, I bet you, I bet you.

871
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 6: It is you should watch this show Evil. It's really good.

872
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 5: I don't know.

873
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 6: I mean, I've never like, I don't know. I'm such

874
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 6: a like see it to believe it kind of person.

875
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 6: I've never like seen like anything.

876
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 4: So the demon visited you in the mid of the night,

877
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: you'd be like, okay, please.

878
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 5: I would be like, I'm dreaming like a demon.

879
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: You ever had sleep paralysis? No good for you? You

880
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: sleep on your stomach?

881
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 5: No, I sleep on my sides me too.

882
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: What do you.

883
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 4: Think about like curses? Ooh, do you think that that's

884
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: a real thing?

885
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 5: I think that could be real. Really I could.

886
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: I could.

887
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 6: I could kind of get behind that now when that

888
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 6: you can like give something bad energy or like yeah,

889
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 6: set something on someone.

890
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know.

891
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 6: My husband is cursed about like technology, like he truly

892
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 6: like has we call it gremlins. We're always like you

893
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 6: have gremlins like he he can't Like he'll be like

894
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 6: the printer's not working and I'll go in and I'll

895
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 6: press like one button and it works, you know what

896
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 6: I mean?

897
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 5: He just like cannot do anything with tech.

898
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: Do you think and I think it's a curse.

899
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's given to the first male born family in

900
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 6: West Virginia in January, born in January?

901
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: Is that true? No?

902
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 6: No, But I mean that's the closest I can come

903
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 6: to think of like a curse in my real life.

904
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know, because there's like some like the Kennedy.

905
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 5: The Kennedys are cursed.

906
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like do you believe that that's real? Or is

907
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 4: it coincidence?

908
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 6: I mean with when you get down to it, I

909
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 6: think it's probably coincidence.

910
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 5: But I have definitely thought that that family is cursed before.

911
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what do you think? I think it's possible.

912
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know the root of why how

913
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 4: did that happen?

914
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: Right?

915
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I don't think.

916
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 6: I don't think some old witch on Cape cod like

917
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 6: you know, curse their claim chowder or whatever. Like I

918
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 6: don't think that's like what happened. But it is like

919
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 6: a wild amount of tragedy for one family.

920
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's when it's like, you know, could it

921
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: be a coincidence because they're in so many high stake situations.

922
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're a public family. There's many of them, they're

923
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 5: a large family. Yeah, I don't know.

924
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: Okay, last one that kind of goes along with that,

925
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: like synchronousities.

926
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: Okay, do you.

927
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: Are you a kind person that goes right place at

928
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 4: the right time, like that was supposed to happen. It's

929
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 4: so weird that you're here and I'm there.

930
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 6: Yes, like serendipity, serendipitous stuff. Yes, I totally believe in

931
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 6: all that.

932
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: Can you think of a time I don't.

933
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 6: Know, oh, man, Like it's like one of those things

934
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 6: that happens all the time where I'm like, we were

935
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 6: just talking about this person and then I ran into that.

936
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 6: I know that that's like sounds just like coincidence or whatever.

937
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 6: But I always feel like it's so real.

938
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 4: I've had a couple of times I was supposed to

939
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 4: be at a place, didn't.

940
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 5: Go, and then something bad happened there.

941
00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: You know.

942
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 6: My friend her twin brothers both narrowly escape missed being

943
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 6: a part of nine to eleven. One of them was

944
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 6: supposed to be on the flight. Her twin brothers are

945
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 6: identical twins. One was supposed to be on the flight

946
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 6: that went into DC. One of them was supposed to

947
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 6: be in one of the towers and like move their

948
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 6: trip like at the last minute.

949
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 5: Oh my, So it's like crazy.

950
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 6: Both of her brothers like avoided nine to eleven, like

951
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 6: very so that kind of stuff. I'm always like, ooh,

952
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 6: like I kind of what is like, yeah, what is that?

953
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: So?

954
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: But I guess what my question is is are you

955
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: a type of person that looks that looks at that

956
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: as going this is not a coincidence.

957
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 6: Like I think there's some kind of like higher power

958
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 6: controlling it. I don't know, Yeah, I probably am like

959
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 6: I definitely will be like to my husband, I'll be like.

960
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 5: Can you believe it?

961
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 6: And now I'm trying to think of a fucking example.

962
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 6: My mind is blank because I know your children has

963
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 6: like truly like wrung all of the juice out of

964
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 6: my brain. But like I've and I've been like can

965
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 6: you believe X Y Z? And He'll be like okay,

966
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 6: like and I'm like, no, that's like I don't know.

967
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 6: I kind of believe it. I have a little bit

968
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 6: more belief in it, much more since I moved.

969
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 2: To La Oh.

970
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 5: I didn't believe any of this shit before I moved here.

971
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: Have you been to a psychic in my No?

972
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 5: I never have.

973
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 6: I know I should go. We had them in New

974
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: York everywhere. I was so broke, and there were so

975
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 6: many in my neighborhood. I never went, and now that

976
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 6: I'm here, I always I want to go to one

977
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 6: that people recommend.

978
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 5: Maybe you can tell me one.

979
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't believe in that.

980
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 4: Oh okay, no, no, I believe in I do believe.

981
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: It's like I don't believe in recommending psychis.

982
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 5: Oh so I have to be like drawn to one.

983
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: You think, well, what I can do is go this person.

984
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 4: I like their approach, uh huh, but you are not

985
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: going to hold me accountable if.

986
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 6: They're oh sure, I'm not going to be like you know,

987
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 6: I get I've gotten tarot readings.

988
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: It's like when you recommend like a YouTube video, like

989
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: you're like, you.

990
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 6: Gotta watch this funny video, and then you watch somebody

991
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 6: watch it and they're like, right, it was to me.

992
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 5: Right.

993
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: That's how I feel about psychics now.

994
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 6: When there's some psychics that I hate people talk about

995
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 6: on podcasts when they're like she's amazing, one hundred percent

996
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 6: right all of the time, and I'm like, how how

997
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 6: can that be? I don't know if I believe in psychics,

998
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 6: especially like when I see them on television and it's

999
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 6: like they're doing like the Housewives.

1000
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 5: I'm like, you think they didn't google you? Like this

1001
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 5: is crazy, but I done, Taro.

1002
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 6: Actually, I got a tarot reading when I was pregnant

1003
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 6: with my second child, and she said, I'm feeling very

1004
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 6: feminine energy around this baby. And I was like, I'm

1005
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 6: having a girl. I'm having a girl and it was

1006
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 6: a boy. But you know what, who knows?

1007
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: Ooh, who knows.

1008
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 5: I'm waiting for the feminine energy.

1009
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Fun you know so well, Caro clag

1010
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: you did it.

1011
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm so excited.

1012
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 6: Like, I mean, you really got me thinking about things

1013
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 6: I don't really think about because I think about it,

1014
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 6: I forgot that. I'm like, oh, I do buy some

1015
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 6: of this shit, like I I think when I would

1016
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: it before, like I would usually describe myself as like

1017
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 6: more of a skeptic, a New York City type of personality,

1018
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 6: where I'm like, I don't believe any of this shit,

1019
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 6: but like when I really do think about it, curses, serendipity,

1020
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff, I'm sort of like, maybe.

1021
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: Never say never that I want to hear you talk

1022
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: about anything.

1023
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: So I'm happy to hear you talk about to hear

1024
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: your views on this now.

1025
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 5: You're so nice.

1026
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: That's such a nice thing.

1027
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: You're such a good podcast that you can just like

1028
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: make anything well work.

1029
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean I have a podcast, tell us about it.

1030
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 6: My podcast is called That's Messed Up. It's you know,

1031
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 6: I guess, I guess, So that's what they tell it.

1032
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 5: Touring, touring, go all over the place.

1033
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you should tour.

1034
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 5: Do do this live.

1035
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: We have, but I want to. I'm going to do

1036
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: way more soon.

1037
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1038
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 5: People love this stuff.

1039
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: So everyone listening, get ready.

1040
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 5: Get ready for your tickets. No.

1041
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, my podcast is about lawn order ress for you

1042
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 6: if you're interested in that show or in true crime,

1043
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 6: because we talk about the true crime that it was

1044
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 6: based on, and then we also interview an actor from

1045
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 6: the show. So we've gotten to talk to some cool people.

1046
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 6: So if you want to listen, it's wherever you get

1047
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 6: your bonds.

1048
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: And if you're in La Wednesday night, oh.

1049
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 6: Yes, and Roz comes on and kills it and I

1050
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 6: wasn't there the last time you did it, and I'm pissed,

1051
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 6: so you got to come back soon. I have a

1052
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 6: show called Better Half Comedy every Wednesday at Barbandini and

1053
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 6: Echo Park.

1054
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: It's a good one. Come on Bye, yeah, yeah.

1055
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: Thanks for doing this, thanks for having me behind you,

1056
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 4: and we're out. Thank you so much to Cara Klank.

1057
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 4: Go watch the YouTube version of that episode and the

1058
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: link and the description. You can also find my Patreon there,

1059
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 4: which I'm not currently updating, but lots of content on there,

1060
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 4: including full length episodes of me just by myself talking

1061
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 4: about paranormal stuff. I'm on Instagram at roz Hernandez TikTok

1062
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 4: and Twitter at It's roz Hernandez. Make sure you are subscribed,

1063
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 4: you're following the show, you rate it five stars. Wherever

1064
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 4: you can, you tell your friends about it. I will

1065
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 4: talk to you next week. I love you all, both

1066
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 4: living and dead.

1067
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1068
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: haunt me. Came back. Star means a podcast network