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Speaker 1: You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two.

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Speaker 2: On this Thursday, Dan and the Dan Net's Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: You're feeling like a first round draft pick today or

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Speaker 2: maybe a second round draft pick coming up tonight eight

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Speaker 2: seven to seven to three. DP show Email address DP

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Speaker 2: at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We

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Speaker 2: analyze the draft, and we analyze it in our way,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily the way most people do or should. But

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Speaker 2: we were troubled by the hats that the players are wearing.

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Speaker 2: They don't fit. Also, if you get traded, and some

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Speaker 2: people pointing out Scott Van Pelt brought this up last

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Speaker 2: night on his Sports Center show, so shout out to SVP.

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Speaker 2: But we thought about maybe a sash or advisor or

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Speaker 2: maybe a chain that you could wear and then you

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Speaker 2: could exchange that if you had to, so it'd be

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Speaker 2: a little bit more of a smoother transition. I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: about marketing, you know, I'm all about marketing here. Its

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Speaker 2: product placement is what it is. But I'm watching and

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Speaker 2: this is the moment. Okay, granted you're eighteen years of

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Speaker 2: age and nineteen years of age, but still it's the

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Speaker 2: moment that you thought of dreamed of your chance.

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Speaker 3: You're getting drafted.

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Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, you're taking off your Orlando hat

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Speaker 2: and putting a Cleveland hat on. Not exactly how you

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Speaker 2: scripted it, Like, Hey, this is that dream moment that

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Speaker 2: I've always thought of where I get to exchange hats

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Speaker 2: with throw out somebody's name, Asa Newle, Derek Queen here,

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Speaker 2: and I know that you know the NBA is trying

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Speaker 2: to push product on us, but this is how about

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Speaker 2: we wait until after the first round and everybody can

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Speaker 2: put their hats on. Okay, maybe we get a group

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Speaker 2: photo picture day and everybody's got their hats on, so

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Speaker 2: we can do the marketing without the silly Put that

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Speaker 2: hat on right now, it doesn't matter, Just put it on, yes, Dylan.

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Speaker 4: What if a business idea they make like a Swiss

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Speaker 4: army knife hat where you can kind of just spin

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Speaker 4: pieces around and get a different logo and colors will workshop.

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Speaker 2: Then Dylan's in for Seaton Minister of Humors. Here, Fritzy

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Speaker 2: Marv Pauli, yours truly. Stat of the day is always

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards

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Speaker 2: of the Dan Patrick Show. I didn't even answer the

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Speaker 2: question last hour because we were talking about mythological figures.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Will Chamberlain with his numbers and Babe

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Speaker 2: Ruth with his numbers. Muhammad Ali Marvin brought up Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 2: you know, a mythological figure, but he did everything right

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Speaker 2: in front of us. Babe Ruth was word of mouth.

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Speaker 2: Bo Jackson. We were able to see him with the Royals,

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Speaker 2: also with the Raiders. Ali, you got to see the

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Speaker 2: big fights, not all of his fights, but yeah, I

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Speaker 2: get that. There was a even Mike Tyson when he

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Speaker 2: first started out, there was this oh my god, who

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Speaker 2: is this guy? And then all of a sudden you

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Speaker 2: saw him and then you realize, kid dynamite was here

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Speaker 2: to stay. That was the Sports Illustrated cover in nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty six. But I mentioned that we get caught up

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Speaker 2: in Bo Jackson his NFL career and was he wonderful. Yes,

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Speaker 2: in a brief whatever window. That was just like baseball,

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Speaker 2: he tanneled. He teased us, It's like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: this is different. That speed, that power, that arm in baseball,

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Speaker 2: that speed, that power in the NFL, and it was

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Speaker 2: just incomplete. And then you know, I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: Bo is a great running back. But I believe Jim Harball,

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Speaker 2: the quarterback, had more rushing yards than Bo Jackson. And

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I can see the Danets heads.

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Speaker 2: They're exploding. They're like, no, not Jim Harball. Yes, because

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Speaker 2: Jim Harball played a long time in the NFL, and

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Speaker 2: I think he has a few more yards than Bo

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Speaker 2: Jackson career wise.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my computer was shut down when I try to

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Speaker 5: search this because I didn't believe this was an actual topic.

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Speaker 5: Bo Jackson had twenty seven hundred and eighty two rushing yards.

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Speaker 5: Jim Harbaugh had twenty seven hundred and eighty seven rushing yards, five.

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Speaker 3: More bonus coverage.

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Speaker 5: Bo Jackson sixteen rushing touchdowns in his career, Jim Harbaugh eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Stand of the day, Stant of the day, start out

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Speaker 2: the day, scant of a day.

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Speaker 3: This is the stule of.

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Speaker 2: The day, drawn to you by BANDI America. And haven't

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Speaker 2: both of these great runners had hip surgery? Bo did,

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Speaker 2: and I think Jim Harbaugh just had hip surgery. You

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Speaker 2: know it happens to the great running runners of all time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, palling to be fair, I checked Bo Jackson's zero

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, unfortunately h better player Harball or bo jahnckson

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Speaker 2: that old topic. So I don't know if it went

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Speaker 2: as scripted last night because of Ace Bailey that there

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Speaker 2: were teams he didn't want to go to didn't want

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Speaker 2: I you know, the problem I'd have is if he said, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Philadelphia work out, then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden he doesn't work out. If he says

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Speaker 2: or his agent says, he doesn't want to go there,

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Speaker 2: doesn't want to go to Charlotte, he would like to

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Speaker 2: go to Washington or Brooklyn. Well, Danny Ainge was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm taking the best player available. I'm

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Speaker 2: taking you. I don't think he wanted to go to Utah.

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Speaker 2: He didn't seem too thrilled. Who is the kid who's

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Speaker 2: going to Toronto? Because he was not thrilled at all.

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Speaker 3: What's his name?

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Speaker 2: Colin something Something, Colin Murray Boyles, Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: When they said, you know and the Toronto Raptors select

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Speaker 2: and then he might have had a one word response there.

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Speaker 2: Marvin sure did he shook his head at first. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's I think he was upset. I

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Speaker 2: think his girlfriend was upset as well, by the way

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Speaker 2: he won the lottery last night. He was in the

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Speaker 2: lottery and yes he did, Yes he did.

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Speaker 3: She plays in South Carolina, right she does. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she was happy either. At Toronto. Here

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Speaker 2: we come, get to Toronto. I love that city. I

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Speaker 2: loved it. I thought it was great.

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Speaker 5: Yes, pot yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think

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Speaker 5: Toronto would get that type of reaction, like I don't

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Speaker 5: want to go to this beautiful international city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but travel wise, you know, customs and passports and

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Speaker 2: not flying coach, I know, but you know I have

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Speaker 2: global entry O.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: What is that clear thing?

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Speaker 2: I don't you can just I can walk anywhere. Really

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Speaker 2: with global entry, it feels like I might be a copilot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what are the rankings?

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Speaker 6: TS?

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Speaker 3: Was it? Uh? TSA pre check? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: TSA pre check is level one?

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Speaker 3: Clear is level two? And what do you have? I

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Speaker 3: have a clear and global entry? Yeah, I'm not joking around.

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Speaker 5: That's the highest of it.

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Speaker 3: Global entry is. Yeah. Global entry is awesome.

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Speaker 2: That's just where you go up to one of those

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Speaker 2: screens and then they look at you and they do

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Speaker 2: the facial recognition.

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Speaker 3: That's like, boom, you're through. Let's just sit in the

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Speaker 2: Yeahster, I think there's a chance I could be a

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Speaker 3: But yeah, do you guys have global entry? No, I

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Speaker 3: just had the TSA pre check. Okay, same, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: a clear guy. Yeah. Clear is good too. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: the same thing. You know.

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Speaker 2: You see the people with the checkered shirts and then

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Speaker 2: they're they fast track.

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Speaker 3: You to the front of the line.

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Speaker 4: Yes, daley, Yeah, it's well, you just have to get

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Speaker 4: your fingerprint. Yes, I got through fine, so it's nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you just cut the wine. You can use it actually

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Speaker 4: at like events too, like city Field, you can use

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Speaker 4: clear to cut the line to get in.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a bonus. Okay, you have a global entry.

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Speaker 3: Two thumbs up. Now I had to.

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Speaker 2: It takes a little bit of work to get a

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Speaker 2: global entry, but it was worth it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, ton.

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Speaker 7: They also have unclear, which is a super but they

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Speaker 7: look at you like kind of fuzzy, like maybe it's

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Speaker 7: gonna be a little while.

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Speaker 3: Let me talk to my manager.

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Speaker 6: Then the events will look at them.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you a blue give you a

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Speaker 2: blue fifty bucks.

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Speaker 3: It's worth it. Just another ten to fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 8: We're waiting.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I have unclear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, come on in, all right, So Dylan's in for

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Speaker 2: seat and he'll do the poll question.

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Speaker 3: What's the hour two pole question? And let's clean up

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Speaker 3: hour one?

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Speaker 4: All right, Dan, So the results from our one still

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Speaker 4: cruising at fifty two percent, is Cooper Flag's NBA career

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Speaker 4: will meet expectations for hour two. Who is the most

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Speaker 4: mythical athlete ever? Babe Ruth Wilt, Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, bo

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Speaker 5: Yes, I don't think Michael is mythological. Definitely not for

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Speaker 5: Pete Marovich in there, one of your favorite players, because

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Speaker 5: his best work was done at LSU and there's very

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Speaker 5: little video, and guys of my age and I'm not young,

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Speaker 5: didn't see any of it. To me, that's mythological.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's averaging forty four forty five a game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about Wilt averaging fifty in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: I would say for a generation that didn't see Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 2: then you probably go, man, I got to see some

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Speaker 2: highlights here. But there's so much more available to see

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's career than a lot of these other players

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Speaker 2: like Wilt you know, some of the greats of the

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Speaker 2: Oscar Robertson. Most people saw Oscar when he played for

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee when he wasn't Oscar Robertson. He was just a

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Speaker 2: great point guard. But that was Kareem's team, and that

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Speaker 2: wasn't a great team. You want to talk about what

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Speaker 2: Lebron did with the Cabs and taking them to the

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals, Kareem with that Milwaukee team, that wasn't a

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Speaker 2: great team. I mean, if you look at that roster,

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Speaker 2: you know they I don't think there was anybody close

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Speaker 2: to look or reminiscent about that. Lucius Harris might have

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Speaker 2: been on that team too. Yes, Marvin Bobby Danger's Hall

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Speaker 2: great roster and they didn't have a legendary coach. Larry

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Speaker 2: Costello was the coach for that team. But yeah, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know when you have Luel Sindor a coach, it helps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's what time practices. Guys.

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Speaker 2: It's like they interview the Mont Verde coach last night

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Speaker 2: and he you would have thought he was John Wooden.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's talking about all these great players that

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Speaker 2: know they keep saying this could be the greatest high

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Speaker 2: school team of all time. Well, you're trying to get

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Speaker 2: the best players to go there. It's not like it's

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Speaker 2: a local high school team.

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Speaker 5: They didn't play together in eighth grade.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, So when we go greatest you know

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Speaker 2: O Kill used to do this back in the day. Man,

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Speaker 2: this could be the best high school team ever. It's

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I'm not besmirching Mont Verdi's academics because it

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Speaker 2: I remember that back back at damatho was great.

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Speaker 5: Verdy's not like a normal high school where the JV

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Speaker 2: Let's see Jim in Michigan. Hi, Jim, what's on your

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Speaker 8: Hey? Hey Dan?

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Speaker 9: I would say, first, non Dan had to get gonged

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Speaker 9: Who has a succession of the gong? If you're like

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Speaker 9: Can anybody else call for the gong other than yourself?

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Speaker 2: Just gong Jim again a two time gonger. Gonga gunga,

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Speaker 2: Gonga gunga. Yeah, Fritz, She's like, you know, you haven't

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Speaker 7: It's weird.

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Speaker 6: I crave positive and negative.

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Speaker 3: Is not a good thing. I told him.

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Speaker 2: I said, hey, there's been a lot of positivity and

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Speaker 3: I said, Okay, that's that whole thing is what you

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Speaker 9: You would like?

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Speaker 8: Why why?

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Speaker 6: Why would someone need that? How much attention do you need?

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Speaker 3: I've been trying to figure this out for over twenty years.

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Speaker 6: Go about your business.

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Speaker 7: If people want to talk about it, great, but don't like,

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Speaker 3: Alrighty uh do you have the pole? So we have

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Speaker 4: Who's the most mythical athlete of all time? I only

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Speaker 4: had four slots, so it's Babe Ruth, Wilt, Jordan or other.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm, so Bo, Babe Wilt, Babe.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, a different generation who didn't see him

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Speaker 2: you're doing this because of me. But Dion did it

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Speaker 2: it's in church where they put their hands on your

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Speaker 3: Do you have that, Marvin? Okay, here's Dion.

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Speaker 8: When I played for Florida State as a freshman. True story.

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Speaker 8: Bou was at Alburn back in the back to Brent Fullard,

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Speaker 8: you know you heard a bout Jack, so you're kind

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Speaker 8: of in awe as a young collegiate. I'm seventeen years

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Speaker 8: Bo goes behind the huddle in Auburn and throws his

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Speaker 8: I was playing left corner. BO got a sweep to

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Speaker 3: I could fly and he hit it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, you could find this clip on YouTube and

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Speaker 5: it's exactly like he said.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. Mike Florio, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: some football here. He'll join us on loan from Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Talk after this.

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Speaker 1: He's still moving.

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Speaker 2: Round two of the NBA Draft coming up later on tonight.

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Speaker 2: There was one moment last night where the Atlanta Hawks

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Speaker 2: and New Orleans Pelicans they exchanged first round draft picks.

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Speaker 2: In exchange, the Hawks will get the New Orleans Pelicans

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Speaker 2: unprotected first round pick next year.

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Speaker 3: I don't think New Orleans is going to be very good.

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Speaker 2: And you move up ten spots and I go, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute here, and you know those things that make

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Speaker 2: you go hm, And I kept going, Okay, what am

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Speaker 2: I missing here? Other than are the Pelicans being stupid careless?

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Speaker 2: We're moving up ten spots. They move up ten spots

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Speaker 2: to take Queen, right, So, okay, nice player, but you're

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Speaker 2: giving up an unprotected first round pick next year that,

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Speaker 2: by all accounts, is probably going to be a lottery pick.

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Speaker 2: At least a lottery pick. Maybe it's going to be

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Speaker 2: more than that. Ohkay, you imagine Lanta Hall And I

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Speaker 2: I think they've done well. I don't know what they're

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Speaker 2: going to do with Trey Young, they have to extend him,

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Speaker 2: I think they did Okay, they'd okay, yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: The Hawks as a franchise, it's just so nondescript.

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Speaker 2: Well, I go back to when Well Maravich was there

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Speaker 2: If the Celtics came to town, or the Bulls came

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Speaker 3: There'd be a big crowd there.

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Speaker 2: There's always a crowd around Mike Floria because he's really popular.

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Speaker 2: He is a football in I hope to graduate one

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Speaker 2: day to be a football insider. Do you guys have

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Speaker 2: like a newsletter? Like you stay in touch with Glazier

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Speaker 2: and Chefty and are their dues, you know, like tight

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Speaker 2: End University, the NFL insider you and Rapaport.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the reality is if there was a

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Speaker 3: It's true. Can the NFL Draft get any bigger?

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Speaker 6: No? No, but it will. They just stumble into things.

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Speaker 7: It's amazing the NFL's business model just kind of float along,

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Speaker 7: that was pretty good. Let's go back to Chicago. So hey,

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Speaker 7: let's go somewhere else. Let's go to Philly. And that

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Speaker 6: It's like, oh Man, the draft is different now and

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Speaker 6: it's going to.

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Speaker 7: Keep growing and growing, but relative to everything else.

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Speaker 6: It can't get much bigger. It can't.

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Speaker 7: And it's amazing because they could do it by a

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like Coachella.

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Speaker 2: It's a music festival for the NFL, and it's Pittsburgh

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Speaker 7: National Mall, but they aren't Dan. There was some reporting

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Speaker 7: I think from Sports Business Journal. They're trying to find

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Speaker 2: We got a couple of teams with some stadium deals.

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Speaker 7: Well, you've got the Browns that look to be moving

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Speaker 7: You know, this was presented when the deal was done

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Speaker 6: We have a deal. We have a deal.

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Speaker 7: the DC Council has to approve it. And I think

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Speaker 7: it's getting harder and harder Dan to get the kind

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Speaker 7: of public money that you need to build these stadiums,

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Speaker 7: because I'd say the appetite of the average taxpayer is

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Speaker 7: why why are you using public money when these franchises

441
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Speaker 7: are worth more more all the time ten billion minimum

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Speaker 7: after the Lakers recent sale that had evaluation of the

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Speaker 7: franchise at ten billion.

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Speaker 6: So pay for it yourself.

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Speaker 7: And I was making that point earlier this week because

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Speaker 7: Josh Shapiro, the Pennsylvania Governor, said some things that initially

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Speaker 7: were misinterpreted by the ap But ultimately the message is

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Speaker 7: we're not going to be given out a ton of

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Speaker 7: public money here at some point, pay for it yourself.

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Speaker 6: You know, Dan, when you go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 7: The grocery store is there for the benefit of the public, right,

452
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Speaker 7: we all going to buy our groceries. I never hear

453
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Speaker 7: stories about the government giving the grocery store chains millions

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Speaker 7: and billions of dollars to build their stores.

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Speaker 6: And that's what a football stadium is. It's a big

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Speaker 6: store that they lure thousands.

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Speaker 7: Of people too. Why is it something that the public

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Speaker 7: has to pay for. The people putting on the show

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Speaker 7: are the ones that should be expected to pay for.

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Speaker 2: He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host that

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Speaker 2: show Precedes Hours with Chris Sims and his book's Father

462
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Speaker 2: of Mine, Son of Mine, available in ebook form on

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Speaker 2: Amazon for only ninety nine cents. The collusion story that

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Speaker 2: you and Pablo Torre colluded on to talk about the collusion,

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Speaker 2: how did okay, let's do it for the fan? Does

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Speaker 2: the fan? Should the fan care about this?

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Speaker 7: Well, the fan doesn't care about it because I think

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Speaker 7: one of the problems is the fan just assumes that

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Speaker 7: that's how business is done. They assume the NFL is

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Speaker 7: one giant company and the teams are thirty two branches,

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Speaker 7: and they coordinate and collude all the time.

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Speaker 6: The problem is that they are thirty two separate businesses.

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Speaker 7: They shouldn't be colluding, conspiring, coordinating on anything that doesn't

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Speaker 7: fall within one of.

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Speaker 6: Their anti trust exemptions.

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Speaker 7: They've got a broadcast anti trust exemption, and they've got

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Speaker 7: an anti trust exemption to deal with their union generally,

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Speaker 7: not with the players individually.

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Speaker 6: And I think the question is, and I just got

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Speaker 6: to text.

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Speaker 7: A little bit ago that is going to spark another

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Speaker 7: story at PFT, how widespread is this collusive activity that.

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Speaker 6: We finally have found evidence of. Even though the.

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Speaker 7: NFL won the grievance they were caught with their hand

485
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Speaker 7: in the collusion cookie jar, how else are they doing it?

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Speaker 7: For example, are they doing it with coaches? I believe

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Speaker 7: they are. I've believed for years that they collude when

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Speaker 7: it comes to coaches to hold down what coaches made.

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Speaker 7: There's no salary cap, right, but there's also no salary floor.

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Speaker 7: They collude, I believe, on all sorts of things because

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Speaker 7: they operate as one company even though they're supposed to

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Speaker 7: be competing.

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Speaker 6: And the point I made, and I don't.

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Speaker 7: Know if you've talked about the text messages between Dean

495
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Speaker 7: Spanos and Michael Bidwell Spanos congratulates Bidwell on getting Cardinal's

496
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Speaker 7: quarterback Kyler Murray signed to a contract that wasn't fully guaranteed,

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Speaker 7: and Spano says, this helps with our quarterback. You know

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Speaker 7: the point I've been making, Dan does the CEO of

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Speaker 7: PEPSI call up the CEO of Coke and say, congratulations

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Speaker 7: on getting your director of research signed to this contract

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Speaker 7: because now we can use the same term.

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Speaker 6: So no, they're incompetition.

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Speaker 7: But I think because the average fan just assumes there's

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Speaker 7: a certain amount of arm locking, they don't care.

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Speaker 6: But they should care.

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Speaker 7: They should care because it's an example of how business

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Speaker 7: gets done in ways that it shouldn't get done.

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Speaker 2: Any fallout from this, like what's next, Well, it.

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Speaker 7: All depends upon I believe what the players do now.

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Speaker 7: Will the players who are in charge of the union

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Speaker 7: push back against union management which hid this thing for

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Speaker 7: five and a half months, that's the biggest part of this.

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Speaker 7: Then the players union through that ruling on January fifteen.

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Speaker 6: January fourteen, excuse me of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 7: They acquired a hammer that they could use against the

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Speaker 7: NFL in a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 6: And what did they do?

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Speaker 7: They stuck it in a drawer and locked it for

519
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Speaker 7: five and a half months until Pablo finally got it,

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Speaker 7: and I credited him forgetting it because I tried every

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Speaker 7: way I possibly could, and I'm going to take some

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Speaker 7: credit because I kept banging and banging and banging to

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Speaker 7: get people to understand this thing's out there and it's

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Speaker 7: important and somebody needs to get it, especially because they

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Speaker 7: were hiding it. I understand why the league hit it,

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Speaker 7: because the league looks bad. I don't understand why the

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Speaker 7: Union hit it. And it all comes down to whether

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Speaker 7: or not the players who are in leadership positions at

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Speaker 7: the Union insist on more and whether they take this

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Speaker 7: thing now and finally do use it as a hammer

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Speaker 7: and find other ways to push and pressure the NFL to.

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Speaker 6: Get a better overall deal for the players.

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Speaker 2: I know that we've talked a lot, You've talked a lot.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like we don't separate Rogers the football

536
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Speaker 2: player from Rogers the person and his opinions, and he

537
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Speaker 2: can be polarizing. I just want to know the football

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Speaker 2: part of this with Aaron Rodgers. I know with his age,

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Speaker 2: but with that team. I know he says that this

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Speaker 2: is it a one year deal, but what are your

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Speaker 2: expectations for this team?

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, when he said the other day

543
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Speaker 7: he's pretty sure this is it, I mean, is that

544
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Speaker 7: really anything that we.

545
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Speaker 6: Didn't already believe? Yeah, we're all pretty sure this is it.

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Speaker 7: He's in his early forties, he's had injuries, he's been

547
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Speaker 7: banged up.

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Speaker 6: His mobility isn't what it used to be.

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Speaker 7: But what I think, Dan, when you look at Rogers,

550
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Speaker 7: the quarterback, the thrower, the arm is still there. And

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Speaker 7: if he can resist his temptation to try to run

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Speaker 7: like he used to, because I think that's how he's

553
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Speaker 7: going to get himself hurt.

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Speaker 6: He's got to adopt the.

555
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Speaker 7: Tom Brady late career mindset of the moment, I feel

556
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Speaker 7: the walls closing in, I'm getting rid of the ball now.

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Speaker 7: For Rogers, who regards his touchdown to interception ratio as

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Speaker 7: the thing that makes him the best of all time,

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Speaker 7: he might not be as inclined as Brady was to

560
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Speaker 7: just throw the ball up into the air.

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Speaker 6: And we saw Brady do it over and over again.

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Speaker 7: He did it multiple times in the NFC Championship game

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Speaker 7: that the Buccaneers eventually won over Rogers, and the Packers

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Speaker 7: went in doubt, get rid of it if it gets

565
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Speaker 7: picked off, So what, at least I didn't get blown up.

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Speaker 7: That's the key Rogers has to prioritize not getting hit.

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Speaker 6: He's got to get rid of the ball.

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Speaker 7: He's got to get the ball down the field and

569
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Speaker 7: he can't try to run with it.

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Speaker 6: He's got to play like he did. Remember the year

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Speaker 6: that he had the.

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Speaker 7: Calf injury and he stayed in the middle of the pocket.

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Speaker 7: He's got to play like he's got that calf injury,

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Speaker 7: because if he starts getting hit, he will have a

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Speaker 7: calf injury and a knee injury, and a hip injury,

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Speaker 7: and rib injuries and a shoulder injury. Because these guys

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Speaker 7: literally are half his age that are chasing him around.

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Speaker 2: Now, who came up with the you know he's the

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Speaker 2: best thrower of the football of all time? Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: but because if somebody said somebody is, he's the most

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Speaker 2: athletic basketball player I've ever seen, or he throws the

582
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Speaker 2: ball harder than any pitcher ever. My first my follow

583
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Speaker 2: up question or first question would be, well, was he successful?

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Speaker 2: So you have the best greatest thrower of the football.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 7: Well, what it means is and I read the I

587
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Speaker 7: O'Connor biography last year. You know when you walk out

588
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Speaker 7: onto a field and you're standing there and you hear

589
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Speaker 7: a sound and you don't know what the hell the

590
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Speaker 7: sound is, and you realize it's the sound that the

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Speaker 7: ball makes when Aaron Rodgers throws it that few others

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Speaker 7: can make. That's what makes him the great thrower. And

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Speaker 7: I defer to Chris Simms on this stuff. He's lived

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Speaker 7: in and around it his whole life. He was an

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Speaker 7: NFL quarterback, his dad was an NFL quarterback. And when

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Speaker 7: he raised about Roger was being the greatest he's ever seen.

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Speaker 6: And the problem is, Yeah, you went to one super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: and there's a hell.

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Speaker 7: Of a story to be told one of these days

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Speaker 7: on why the Packers failed to ever go back to

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Speaker 7: another Super Bowl. They had it against the Seahawks in

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Speaker 7: the twenty fourteen NFC Championship and through you know, an

603
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Speaker 7: unprecedented This had to go wrong, This had to go wrong,

604
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Speaker 7: This had to go wrong, This had to go wrong.

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Speaker 7: They would have gone back and would have played the

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Speaker 7: Patriots that year. But how can Rogers have only been

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Speaker 7: to one super Bowl in his entire career when you

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Speaker 7: consider just how effortless, and it's like it's a lot

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Speaker 7: of Patrick Mahomes, it's some John Elway. Just an arm

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Speaker 7: that is rare and special, and I think that's what

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Speaker 7: set him apart. But one super Bowl appearance and a

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Speaker 7: couple of bad years with the Jets, and I think

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Speaker 7: he's just looking for something to end his career that

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Speaker 7: will make people forget about his time in New York.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's not the best quarterback of all time, but

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Speaker 2: it feels like we want to have a designation because

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Speaker 2: of you know, what he accomplished, But to me, it

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Speaker 2: leads to the follow up of what he didn't accomplished.

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Speaker 2: The greatest thrower of the football, and then you look

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Speaker 2: at the losses.

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Speaker 3: You know, regular.

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Speaker 2: Season stats are incredible, what four MVPs, all of those things.

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Speaker 2: I just it's weird how it's supposed to be a

624
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Speaker 2: compliment but it kind of brings about a yeah, but

625
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Speaker 2: it feels like he underachieved.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's right, and that's why I think he gets

627
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Speaker 7: sensitive about it and he only wants to say so

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Speaker 7: much about it. Let's talk about my touchdown to interception

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Speaker 7: ratio and nothing else, right, and nothing else because let's

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Speaker 7: not talk about championships.

631
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Speaker 6: Let's not talk about Super Bowl appearances.

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Speaker 7: And when you think about the embarrassment of riches the

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Speaker 7: Packers have had at quarterback since Brett Farv replaced Don

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Speaker 7: Mkowski during a nineteen ninety two regular season game. They

635
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Speaker 7: go from Farv to Rodgers and now Jordan Love. We

636
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Speaker 7: don't know which way it's really going to skew for him,

637
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Speaker 7: but all those years of Farv and Rogers and to

638
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Speaker 7: have only two super Bowl wins to show for it,

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Speaker 7: when the Patriots got six with Tom Brady, Yeah you

640
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 7: got two, and there's plenty of teams that would love

641
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Speaker 7: to have won. But man, what a disappointment to have

642
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Speaker 7: two of the all time greats and only have two

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Speaker 7: additional championships.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Pittsburgh, I don't know if this could be

645
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Speaker 2: a package deal of Aaron Rodgers one year and Mike

646
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Speaker 2: Tomlin because now they're back into the we're going to

647
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Speaker 2: need a quarterback that once, you know, Rogers leaves, and

648
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Speaker 2: if they don't, let's say they don't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Let's say they go out in the first round.

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Speaker 2: I get some point we can credit Mike Tomlin for

651
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Speaker 2: being a Hall of Fame coach. But just like we've

652
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Speaker 2: done with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, like after a while,

653
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Speaker 2: and John Harball's got the league MVP, you know, as

654
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Speaker 2: his quarterback. So I just wonder Mike Tomlin might be

655
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Speaker 2: getting to that sweet spot of I can go into

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Speaker 2: TV right now and make a whole lot more money

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Speaker 2: and have a lot less headaches, and I'm going into

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Dan, I've lived in around Pittsburgh my whole life,

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Speaker 7: and the way the Steelers are behaving this offseason is

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Speaker 7: unlike anything they've ever done. The contract they gave the

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Speaker 7: Dk Metcalf market value for a guy who's never played

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Speaker 7: for the team before.

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Speaker 6: They have never done that.

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Speaker 7: They only get market value to their own players that

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Speaker 7: they have, that they know, that they trust, and they

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Speaker 7: believe in their taking a roll of the dice with Metcalf,

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Speaker 7: and then they assume the position for two plus months

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Speaker 7: with Aaron Rodgers. And I look, I fully believe that

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Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin knew he was getting Aaron Rodgers. They decided

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Speaker 7: it was less of a distraction if he's not on

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Speaker 7: the team and not at offseason workouts, then if he's

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Speaker 7: on the team and not at offseason workouts. But still,

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Speaker 7: it feels like a level of desperation to end what

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Speaker 7: will be a nine year streak.

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Speaker 6: Of no playoff wins.

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Speaker 7: That's the longest the Steelers have gone between postseason wins

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Speaker 7: since they finally got their first win December twenty three,

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Speaker 7: nineteen seventy two, in the Immaculate Reception Game. So I

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Speaker 7: feel like there's a desperation there. And if they fail

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Speaker 7: to win a playoff game this year, what happens next.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they'll ever fire Tomlin. Maybe Tomlin will

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Speaker 7: decide it's time to move on. Maybe the Steelers will decide,

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Speaker 7: you know what, if there's somebody else out there that

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Speaker 7: wants to give us multiple first round picks, the John

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Speaker 7: Gruden package for Mike.

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Speaker 6: Tomlin, maybe we'll take it.

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying they will, but the level of desperation

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Speaker 7: I've seen this year tells me if they fail again,

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Speaker 7: we need to be ready for any thing in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you is always great work you

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Speaker 2: and Pablo, thanks for joining us, Mike, thank you, anthe

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Speaker 3: We'll be back. We'll take to your take your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: After this, be sure to catch the live edition of

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Speaker 2: Even though Todd says don't take phone calls, you could

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Speaker 2: take a few.

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Speaker 3: Larry in Virginia, Hi Larry, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 6: Dan?

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Speaker 9: Love the show?

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Speaker 11: Six one two oh five. Got a recommend Got a

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Speaker 11: recommendation for the UH for the Draft. I think it

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Speaker 11: will be really cool if each team you know, selected

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Speaker 11: a maybe a kid fan that they uh they have

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Speaker 11: some content for whatever. Anyway, they give the kid a hat,

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Speaker 11: a jersey, but then they also bring out a legend

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Speaker 11: from each team which with the logo ball and then

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Speaker 11: when the player comes up, the legend really hands the

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Speaker 11: ball over the kids there with the jersey and the hat,

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Speaker 11: and then hey, if you got get just traded later on,

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Speaker 11: you can just pass the ball off to the next guy.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but you miss your photo up. You missed

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Speaker 2: that moment. That's the only thing that I would rail against.

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Speaker 2: And and Van Pelt talked about this on Sports Center

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Speaker 2: last night. This is this is your moment. You just

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Speaker 2: got drafted and you know you're wearing uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: OKC hat and then next thing you know, you're being

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Speaker 2: traded to Atlanta. It's not like they go, hey, hold on, commissioner,

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Speaker 2: can we bring up, you know, Jimmy Lepper to get

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Speaker 2: in this moment again, Yes, Mark Devil's Advocate. But is

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Speaker 2: it really important about it's only important for you to

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Speaker 2: shake the commissioner's hand. You didn't dream about, Oh man,

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Speaker 2: I hope I get picked by the Hawks of the Pelicans. No,

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Speaker 2: but you're up there, and it's the whole moment. It's

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Speaker 2: the full package. It's they put a hat on you.

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Speaker 2: You go out there and you act like you know

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Speaker 2: the commissioner is a loved one you haven't seen in

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Speaker 2: sixteen years. You know, it's just kind of weird, like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm a member of the Hawks, and then thirty

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Speaker 2: minutes later, Hey I'm not. But your draft day picture

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Speaker 2: is you with the commissioner with a Hawks hat on? Yes,

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Speaker 2: but you learned the business. Hey one, Okay, teaching moment.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Martin Marcus in South Carolina. Hi Marcus, Hey Dan, good morning.

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Speaker 3: How you doing great? Great? What do you have for me?

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Speaker 12: I have an idea for the NBA Draft. Let's get

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Speaker 12: rid of the hat and let's move to make given

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Speaker 12: a team logo like dominant crushed boats slash predate for

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Speaker 12: the suits.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I mean we're trying to move product.

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Speaker 3: Here is what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to take away that awkward moment of

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Speaker 2: A the hat looks stupid, and b if you happen

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Speaker 2: to get traded, you're wearing this hat.

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Speaker 3: And you're going to another two. It was just weird.

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Speaker 2: I can I'm there with Pippin and Polonies and I

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Speaker 2: just remember when they announced they had been traded for

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Speaker 2: each other and they just swamped hats. They were like

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Speaker 2: three rows between them, and then you know, we were

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Speaker 2: there interviewing I was interviewing olden polonies. But I just

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Speaker 2: remember Pippin was like three rows back and then they

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Speaker 2: just go, oh, you've been traded, And so your line

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Speaker 2: of questioning changed considerably when you're talking about olden polonies

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Speaker 2: and what do you know about Chicago? Next thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: what do you know about Seattle? Kevin in Ohio? Hi, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: went's on your mind today?

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Speaker 12: Say good afternoon, DP.

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Speaker 7: Me.

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Speaker 8: Hey.

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Speaker 9: My question to you, sir, besides Cooper Flagg, who do

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Speaker 9: you think has the best chance to succeed?

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Speaker 2: You know, I I would probably just be guessing because

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Speaker 2: somebody at eighteen going to be a whole lot different

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Speaker 2: than somebody at twenty three. Dylan Harper has the pedigree

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Speaker 2: with his father that can help you understand the business

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Speaker 2: part of this. I like his size. You know, hopefully

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Speaker 2: he becomes a better shooter. But you're going to a

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Speaker 2: team that's a young team. You could be building something.

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Speaker 2: But you're also going to a team where their point

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Speaker 2: guard was the Rookie of the Year and Stefan Council

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Speaker 2: and you have dearon Fox. Feels like something's going to

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Speaker 2: be done there with san Antonio.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pull, there's just no way to know it's I'm

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Speaker 5: looking at the twenty twenty draft. If I told you

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Speaker 5: the number one pick, James Wiseman would be out of

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Speaker 5: the sport in five years and the twelfth pick, Tyrese

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Speaker 5: Haliburton would be on his way to being a superstar,

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Speaker 5: if not a superstar.

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Speaker 2: And as I brought this up that the rookie last

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Speaker 2: year who played the most minutes was bub Carrington. He

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Speaker 2: played for the Wizards. He was drafted fourteenth. Played the

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Speaker 2: most minutes of any rookie last year. Jalen Wells drafted

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Speaker 2: thirty ninth, second most minutes. He played for the Grizzlies.

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Speaker 2: Stefan Castle was Rookie of the Year. He's drafted fourth.

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Speaker 2: Eves Missy with the Pelicans drafted twenty first. So that's

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Speaker 2: why you don't know how much are you playing because

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Speaker 2: you have to play because you're on a bad team,

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Speaker 2: and some of these other players where they're going to

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Speaker 2: be eased in.

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Speaker 11: Reed.

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Speaker 2: Shepherd didn't play. He's the third pick and if you

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Speaker 2: saw him in the summer league, you're going he's going

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Speaker 2: to be a star.

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Speaker 6: He didn't play.

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Speaker 2: That's why when you're trying to handicap this Toomani kahmer Hi.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, exactly. You don't know who he is. He

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Speaker 2: played for the Blazers the previous season. He played the

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Speaker 2: most minutes of any rookie. He was drafted fifty second.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes when you go to a bad team, you get

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to play right away. Coming up, good idea,

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Speaker 2: bad idea. Commissioner Silver talks about the epidemic the Achilles

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Speaker 2: tear more of your phone calls as well. Dylan's in

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Speaker 2: for Seaton today. Fritzy's always here, Marvin Paulie, yours truly

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Speaker 2: in the back room, guys,