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Speaker 1: What's up? You guys are listening to a velvets Edge podcast.

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Speaker 1: I had the opportunity this week to interview country music

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Speaker 1: superstar Dirk Spentley. He's also been a client of mine

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Speaker 1: for almost ten years now, so if you know anything

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Speaker 1: about my history, I have done hair and makeup for

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Speaker 1: about fifteen years. It's obviously turned into a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things, styling now, the blog Velvet's Edge, and the podcast,

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Speaker 1: but Dirk's has remained a kind of mine throughout all

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Speaker 1: of that. He is an amazing boss, but he's also

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Speaker 1: an even better person, and I just wanted you guys

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Speaker 1: to be able to see that side of him. So

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Speaker 1: obviously we talked about music because that's what he's known for,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to know deeper things like how he

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Speaker 1: got his start, what made him be so persistent in music,

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Speaker 1: and then also what it feels like now that he's

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Speaker 1: reached the level of success that he has. What does

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Speaker 1: that feel like? That's so fascinating to me, just as

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Speaker 1: a seeker and a person chasing things right now, what

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Speaker 1: does it feel like? So we talked about all things life, family, relationships, kids,

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Um, I hope you guys enjoy

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Speaker 1: a darks ask you in trouble, what do you mean

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Speaker 1: podcast gets you in trouble? Just gonna I'm not I

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Speaker 1: never watched what I say so, and I never go

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Speaker 1: back and listen to it. But um, yeah, you just

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Speaker 1: never know what you're gonna. Is this like that unfiltered

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Speaker 1: Dirk Spenley that we're about to get you? You've had

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Speaker 1: a lot unfiltered me over the years, a lot of

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Speaker 1: unfiltered other go get that unfiltered. That's uh, that's that's

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Speaker 1: band level unfiltering that you know about. But let's talk

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty unfiltered. Yeah, okay, let's see what happens every

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Speaker 1: interview I do, like newspapers or radio, I never like

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Speaker 1: there's something off limits, and I don't usually just see

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Speaker 1: what'sever on my mind. Much's too my sugar and later on.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, let's let's dig into it. This is an

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Speaker 1: interesting thing, by the way, podcast, I don't know why

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Speaker 1: do you ask me that I could? I feel like

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Speaker 1: I could have been like one, You could have been

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Speaker 1: number one. It could have been your first but that

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Speaker 1: was it was a rough time you had album. Really,

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Speaker 1: it was in the show like you also wanted to

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Speaker 1: see they wanted to tape us on TV doing this

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Speaker 1: for Very Cavalry. Yeah, of course they did. Why wouldn't they.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, it's fascinating. I know the show was amazing. Also,

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Speaker 1: did you want to see kind of what the podcast

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Speaker 1: was going to be befofore you signed up? Honest? No,

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Speaker 1: I so well at the time. And they get a

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Speaker 1: start with the shot of tequila in your podcast, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was right, like the rules. And then I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I just the TV taping thing, the album's coming out.

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Speaker 1: I just kind of was like, yeah, I think I

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Speaker 1: just been been in l A doing some looking at

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Speaker 1: some TV stuff. I just kind of like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The TV thing probably threw me off. That was a

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Speaker 1: big one. Yeah, we'll get you on Very Cavalry later.

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Speaker 1: I need to be on the show I hung out

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Speaker 1: with the other night. We were all hanging out. The

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Speaker 1: j was at the Whiskey Row and what after my

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, be buddies. You'll be assumed to be reality

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Speaker 1: star too. I don't think Jay Keyler ever thought he

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Speaker 1: would be one, so you just never know. That's what

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Speaker 1: makes me great is he just does not fit that mold.

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Speaker 1: When I was googling. I kind of like to do

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Speaker 1: research because obviously I've known you for almost ten years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I know everything about you.

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Speaker 1: I could probably do your interviews for you, really could. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is actually Kelly speaking for me. She actually she's

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Speaker 1: the only one in the room right now. But well,

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Speaker 1: I go back in because I'm like, there's got to

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Speaker 1: think was interesting about you. And the first thing that

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Speaker 1: comes up, of course, is that your name was really Frederick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did you always go by Dirks? Though? Fred I always

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Speaker 1: have gone by Dirks. My mom named was all like

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Speaker 1: go by. So my sisters like Katherine Vanessa, Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I thought fred was bad. My brother's name is Newell.

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Speaker 1: What is that? W E L. Grandfather's name too, So

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Speaker 1: my dad's family name. So that's a cool name. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty messed up. Yeah, Fred Bentley did not have the

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Speaker 1: not like, I'm not going to break down every song

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Speaker 1: gonna start with you know, I listen to country music

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Speaker 1: my thing. I just didn't listen to any more country

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Speaker 1: But when I turned seventeen, I had this moment. I've

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Speaker 1: just you know, like I don't know how to describe.

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Speaker 1: I remember like sitting down into a chair and being like, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: And it was so different than my dad's country music.

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Speaker 1: writing songs with people and it took like eight nine

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Speaker 1: That's such a long story. But um, you know, let's

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Speaker 1: just say after like eight to nine years of moving here,

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Speaker 1: But it started with publishing once you decided this is

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Speaker 1: what I want to do. Though, do you think because

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Speaker 1: of a persistence or determination, right Like you can be

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Speaker 1: education won't, Talent won't, genius, note won't persistence and determination

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Speaker 1: whole thing is just like there's a lot better singers

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna vote for this person. A lot of

426
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,640
Speaker 1: block voting happens, whatnot. I mean, if you would, it's

427
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,960
Speaker 1: it's awesome to win and the people that win are

428
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 1: totally deserving and and they should be and uh, it's

429
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 1: it's awesome and just to be in that room and

430
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,719
Speaker 1: being nominated is is crazy awesome. Um, as far as

431
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 1: validation goes, I mean, you got a microphone on stage

432
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,479
Speaker 1: every night, and people spend all this money to come

433
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 1: out and see you. I mean, like think about the

434
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,000
Speaker 1: money that goes into coming and seeing a show. I

435
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 1: look out there. I don't like to see a mass

436
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 1: of people. I see like individual people. And I you know,

437
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 1: I know from personal experience, going to show what a

438
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,960
Speaker 1: what a pain it is, And like you got to

439
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,159
Speaker 1: get a babysitter, and the money and the parking and

440
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 1: the T shirts and the drinks and eight dollar beers

441
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 1: and it's like that's a pretty good validation that you're

442
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: doing something right and someone gets off their button to

443
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 1: come see you. You know, you get every weekend, every weekend,

444
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 1: and like there's people come through town that I love,

445
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, it's nine thirty. That's sad,

446
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So for someone to come out

447
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: and see your show is like the ultimate validation to me.

448
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that helps you? Because I feel

449
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: like you still have this passion for the music aspect

450
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 1: of it, but this is a business. So do you

451
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,399
Speaker 1: feel like that helps you? If you ever get bogged

452
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 1: down with just like passion, it's just a job. I

453
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 1: never the day that feels like it's just a job.

454
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 1: I would like I'd be done so fast. I would say,

455
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,239
Speaker 1: like be like a NASCAR driver that's just like kind

456
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: of out there so other people can go around him.

457
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I have no desire in doing that.

458
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: I would be. I would be. I would definitely just

459
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: hanging up because that's just a waste of everybody's time.

460
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: And that's like that's not good for me, not good

461
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 1: for my band, not good for the fans, you know.

462
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: So for me, and I talked to the guys in

463
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: the band about all the time, it's like every night

464
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: feels like I'm learning something new. You know, I'm learning

465
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: some new physically about the way I'm moving a lot

466
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: of dance moves or anything, but like just way I

467
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 1: interpret I have the one move I got the well

468
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: if you have the hot country nights, I have have

469
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot. But Doug has a lot more moves than

470
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 1: I do. But uh, you know, just finding way a

471
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: song makes you move physically on stage, the way I

472
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: sing something, the way I find a new way to

473
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: connect with somebody. And I always feel like every show

474
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: is just a little bit I don't say better, but

475
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: there's more growth with every show. And I talked to

476
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: the guys in the band, and you know, they might

477
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: not be like up front singing and song, but they're

478
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: trying things behind me, they're going for stuff there, they're

479
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: they're they're engaged. And that is it can never just

480
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: feel like a show, Like we're not out there to

481
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: go put on a show. It's like it has to

482
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: be some sort of like growth learning process and has

483
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: to be some goal of getting better, not necessarily getting

484
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: bigger and playing bigger shows and having more people come out,

485
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: which is always awesome, and but just the main focus

486
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: is just like always being a student. I'm a student

487
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: of of lead singers and how to be the best

488
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: lead singer, and how to interpret my songs, old songs,

489
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: how to make them feel current, how to make them

490
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: connect to people, you know, what to say it leading

491
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: into them, where to physically go on stage, maybe leave

492
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: the stage, maybe bring somebody up on stage. So it's

493
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: just that is what makes me, makes it interesting and

494
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: fun and and and uh and keeps me moving on

495
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: and you know, and making albums too. I'm just kind

496
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: of starting to think about maybe another album, and it's

497
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: really fun because I feel like you get to kind

498
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: of adopt a character. You know, you get to go

499
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: inside yourself and see like what part of you is

500
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: like kind of speaking the loudest, and you know, with

501
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: Riser Knox have been Born and that was kind of

502
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: new Twists and my album Black Cast and I've been

503
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: married for ten years, that was interesting. And obviously the

504
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: Mountain was a lot of my energy was going towards

505
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: thinking about the West and maybe I'm moving out there,

506
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: and so I'm kind of looking forward to exploring the

507
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: next thing. But I was actually going to bring that

508
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: up next. I feel like your albums, even since I've

509
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: worked with. You are always pretty attached to where you

510
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: are in life. You know, you mentioned Knox, but it

511
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: was also your dad passing, and then yeah yeah and

512
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: then casts and then The Mountain is so much more

513
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: than just moving out west. To me, it's just like,

514
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: well else, this whole like it where I'm from. Yeah,

515
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: I will be. It's it's such a big part of

516
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: who I am. It's it's like acceptance. I've seen any

517
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: you too. Yeah, I feel like with that one too,

518
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: it's the most comfortable I've been like and I feel

519
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: it's just like the stage. The albums are the same way.

520
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: It's like any more and more comfortable of trying stuff,

521
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: going for stuff, reaching for songs. You know, I feel

522
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: like everyone has songs that aren't necessarily made it begin with,

523
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: they become me, which is kind of a weird thing.

524
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: But I'm always trying to like grow in that regard

525
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: to But yeah, The Mountain feels like the most Definitely

526
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: everyone says this it's the most personal album, but it's

527
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: definitely the most like, Uh, I just felt from the

528
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: top to bottom, like truly like really extra authentic about

529
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, who I am, and and that that side

530
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: of me that, uh, and the way not just physically

531
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: the mountains the West, but just the song Living was

532
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of the corner stone on the album. It kind

533
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: of has like a lot of my current attitude and

534
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: views on life and and my experience in the album.

535
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on there. How do you

536
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: feel like you've changed through the years with through your

537
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: car like what you just mentioned, I mean, it's a

538
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: totally different mentality. I feel like there was such a

539
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: striver type just chasing everything at the beginning, and now

540
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: you're getting to this place where you're you've got a

541
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: whole new level of success. So what does that feel like?

542
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: Like You've you've worked so hard to get here in

543
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: some ways, now you're here, what does that feel like? Yeah,

544
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: I mean I think all my albums and all my

545
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: career are really closely mirroring like kind of where I

546
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: am in my personal life, you know, I think it's

547
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: all a big part of it. I'm not I don't know,

548
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm not making albums that kind of go back and

549
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: talk a lot about I'm trying not to make it,

550
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: write songs that that kind of tap back into like

551
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: nostalgia or or like the way this is an idea

552
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: of doing something that this I don't do anymore. You know,

553
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm I don't, I can't, like I'm

554
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: not gonna go right, What was I thinking? Again? You know?

555
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: How am I doing? I hope not. That's just not

556
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: who I am? But you know what I mean, Like,

557
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: I know those are hits. It's like I got all

558
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: right songs reflect like who I am now, and when

559
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: I get to put a song on the really it's

560
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: a huge hit. But also it's like like so authentic,

561
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: like women and men like burning Man, like living these

562
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: three songs right now, Like it's like almost a joke

563
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: that they're they were that stuff that's so me and

564
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily like down the road country radio or country

565
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: lifestyle at all. That they work is uh is is

566
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: like that's the best feeling at all. Um doing Traveling

567
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: Light on the a c MS with Brandy Carlisle, it's

568
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm kind of getting to cheat

569
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: the system a little bit, you know, by getting I

570
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: don't have to play the game at this point, I

571
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: can kind of put out songs they're like so me

572
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: and so passionate and important to me, and and uh

573
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: and and see them work. So that's been and every albums,

574
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: but everyone's been kind of snapshot of where I am.

575
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: And I feel like now I'm just gonna you know,

576
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm really There's a lot of wisdom that comes for me,

577
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: has come in my forties, and I feel like I'm

578
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: getting a chance to apply that with more in a

579
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: more brave way. On on these albums, would you describe

580
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: yourself as satisfied? Is that what it feels like? I

581
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: feel satisfy id at times, Um, but I'm not like, well,

582
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: I feel like now, but I'm not content, that makes sense, right,

583
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: Like still like I feel really achieved more than I

584
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: ever had dreamed of, you know, Like I and they

585
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: playing Maddi Square Garden. That was like something I wanted

586
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: to just so bad, but I didn't even dare dream

587
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: extended me just I don't want to be so disappointed

588
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: when it never happened, right, I was like, it's just

589
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 1: never gonna happen to him, Like, I just don't even

590
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: dream that one, so to sell that out as it

591
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. And also playing like hometown show here in

592
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: Nashville like a couple of times. Now, that's like I

593
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: just never thought it would actually happen. And the things

594
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: that the Music Festival seven Peaks, all that stuff. I mean,

595
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: there's these there's things that happened. They are beyond what

596
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: I could have dreamed that if it ended now, it

597
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: would be fine. Um, but there's still like this crazy fire.

598
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like this last run was really hard and

599
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: I was totally fried after mid this Canadian the Midwest run,

600
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: and I was just like you needed to break so bad.

601
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: But I was like watching my ten an eight year

602
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: old do like children's theater and I just feel like

603
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: that it's like a sharp smelling blood. I'm like, God,

604
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to get back out my thing. Like

605
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm just like it's such a cool yeah, like like

606
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: I'll appreciate what they're doing, but it's just like being

607
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: on stage and and getting to perform a front of

608
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: people and the experiences like it's still really uh, it's

609
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: really fun for me. And I just so I was like,

610
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: here I'm watching them, I'm thinking about like, you know, Toledo, Ohio,

611
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in so hot, I can't wait. I'm

612
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: gonna destroy it. So it's still there. But yeah, I

613
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's just a lot going on, you know,

614
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: with the family stuff too. So there's I wouldn't be

615
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: doing if it wasn't like super super fun and right

616
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: now for me, because you know, I have these kids

617
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: are so fun to hang out with and do stuff with,

618
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: and it's busy. Weekends are busy, so it's definitely sacrifice

619
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: to get out there and do that. But so I

620
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it if I didn't didn't. Still, I really

621
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: love it. Well, let's talk a little bit about your

622
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: family lives. Since you keep it pretty private, why is

623
00:27:54,359 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: that exceps coffee, trying to just need instant on Facebook

624
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: and Twitter off my phone. I definitely going major major.

625
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: I know that's that's a key to life. Variety and

626
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: like everything you do except relationships that's actually friend upon

627
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: but and everything else. Um, I think variety is like

628
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: the key, right. I mean, I think one of the

629
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: reasons why I went to the podcast with you to

630
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: begin with because I wanted to have I think the

631
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: major reasons because I would have like an honest conversation.

632
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: I was really into like not eating meat, not eating dairy,

633
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: not drinking, saying no to using a flip phone. I

634
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: was like way hardcore at that period in my life,

635
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: and I just wasn't really comfortable like talking about that

636
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: with an album coming out and people like, well, especially

637
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: in country music. All right. It's like I told Karen Fersch,

638
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: I was we wanted to go see YouTube play And

639
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: I was at this laughter party and Caleb Follower I

640
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: was there from King's Leon and uh in the little

641
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: big towns there who I love. And I wasn't drinking,

642
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: you know. It was just there's the most trying last

643
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: year and I was gonna get some shipped for it.

644
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: And then I was time to Karen and I said, oh, yeah,

645
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm actually I da meat either, and she starts laughing.

646
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: She goes, you can't be a country singer and not

647
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: eating meat if you're like not drinking, not eating meat,

648
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Like that's more like an emo album. Not know, but

649
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: it was just something that's like to do it this long,

650
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: you have to, like for in life and jail, you

651
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: just have to, like you gotta switch things up. I mean,

652
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: people ask what your favorite viny to play. It's like

653
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: it's the variety. If I played like Mad Score Garden

654
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: every night, it would get old after a couple. It's

655
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: just changing up. Never know what you're getting into and

656
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: I think, like from longevity standpoint and health standpoint and

657
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: not just like I want to be healthy, like going

658
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: on stage and being optimal, like being giving my audience

659
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: peak energy every night. I have to like very up

660
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: insides as well as like what I do outside right, So,

661
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: like you cannot eat the same food over and over again.

662
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: It's just like our diet is so well. Humans have

663
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: been around for like, you know, two million years, almost

664
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: sapiens for seventy thousand years up until like you know,

665
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: six thousand years ago. We ate everything. Now we just

666
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: eat like wheat. You know. It's like you have to

667
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: like find a way to bury up your food. You're

668
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: going to be it's just not gonna be a good situation. So, um,

669
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: I was just trying some stuff last year. But this

670
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: year it's like the exact opposite. It's like I start

671
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: off the year like drinking heavily, eating anything everything I

672
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: want to, not working out, not getting up early, not

673
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: doing the cold plunges, being back on my iPhone. Um,

674
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: And I was actually really happy for a little while,

675
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to kind of rain it back in

676
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. Not with the food, but the food

677
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: thing is because it taught me just starting a lot

678
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: more vegetables in general. But actually this year I'm gonna

679
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: be like, I'm like, I'm gonna go I'm planning my

680
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: my deer hunt in the fall. So I'm going, well,

681
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm on YouTube like I'm going full opposite direction this year.

682
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah, full. I'm totally embracing the Tennessee. Yeah

683
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: they do, because I'm like, are they supportive? Oh, totally,

684
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: They're We're like such our our group is like such

685
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: a homogeneous up. It's crazy, like when one person kind

686
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: of starts switching to diet, we did, right, I'll try

687
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: to practice like a vegan um diet at least and

688
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: then and then we remember one night we were playing

689
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: somewhere and I was so damned hungry and they were

690
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: these huge like I didn't know what kind of it

691
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: was a huge bone with a piece of meat on

692
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: it even right. It wasn't turkey like, it was like

693
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: it's like crazy like buffalo rib or something. And I

694
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: was like, I grabbed two of and ran back the bus.

695
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: I walked on there when anythink over would he would

696
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: be on there and Cassie feeds me our bass player

697
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: was gnawing on one, and he was like the most

698
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: hardcore about the diet of any of us. I'm like, dude,

699
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: he's like, I need protein. I'm like me too. So

700
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: we've like we've all come off it. Now we're all

701
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: back to eating meat and talking about and yeah, we're

702
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: going to the exact opposite direction this year. But yeah,

703
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't know. My family, Um grew up.

704
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: My dad hunted birds and stuff. But by the time

705
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I was born, he was fifty and he was just

706
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: over it. So I didn't have that like influence growing up.

707
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: But I recently got some land out west of town,

708
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, just you know, you're out there, you

709
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: appreciate the land. You start appreciating the water and the

710
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: animals and the lifestyle. It's like, I'm just getting really

711
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: into that right now. So I'm fascinating. I was at

712
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I was at the gun range yesterday. I mean, if

713
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: you guys only knew it, last year, looked like National

714
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Armory shooting at my couple of pistols that I got.

715
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you always keep us guessing. I'll give you that.

716
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: I won't bring up gun control. That's the sensitive topic.

717
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: I posted something from my friend and just give a

718
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: buddy of mine a little good on you for being

719
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: passionate about something. And I don't, you know, I don't

720
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: really I still know what the fallout was. I know, people,

721
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: I just freaked out. I don't and I hardly use

722
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Instagram at all. I mean when I the way muse

723
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: Instagram now. And I recommend this book to anybody Digital minimalism.

724
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: It's a great book. Um, but just you know, it's

725
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: your Your time is equals their money. And if you don't,

726
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: if you can find times in your life to kind

727
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: take a little break, you know, just do for me.

728
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking to myself personally. I got I'm just so

729
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: bad when I'm on the road. Yeah, you know what

730
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: the roads like. You go out there sitting their phones

731
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: all day long. We're on them all day long. There's

732
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: no living. And when you're back here, naturally you have

733
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: your life, You routines your stuff, Okay, you can kind

734
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: of like balance it. But when you're on the road,

735
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: it's just kind of dark. You're a way from family,

736
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: away from friends, you're away from like nature, and then

737
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you're just on your phone all time. So I had

738
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: to like find a way to kind of balance that

739
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: um on the road. So for me, it was like

740
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: kind of taking off my phone doing on my computer

741
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: so I can kind of like or my eye texting device,

742
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: my iPad texting advice. Yeah, this big iPads. Okay, it's

743
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: to be a little more like intentional about it because

744
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just bad on it out there. But anyway,

745
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: so I don't know what the comments were. I don't

746
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: look at that stuff. But yikes, uh, just not a

747
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: good topic. Yeah, I mean, shout out with my buddy

748
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: Blake there for being passionate about kids and and stuff

749
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: and uh you know, but yeah, well I'm gonna go

750
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: back to families since You've completely change the topic. I

751
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: don't fit this day age. I'm like, I'm like, uh,

752
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't do teams. I'm not I don't don't do politics.

753
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: That's probably smart, I would say, I mean even independent,

754
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: like an independent, Like I'm not even that because that's

755
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: like something I don't everybody like you do you? That's

756
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: how I feel cast as a marathon runer, I'm always like,

757
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: that's like we used the analogy for our kids, like

758
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: run your own race, your race, I'll run mine, like

759
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: and let's at least let's have a common goal of

760
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: getting in the end together. It's not the way. That's

761
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: not the world we live in now. So speaking of cass, Well,

762
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: you had a lot of questions when I asked my

763
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: followers what they wanted to know. How did you guys meet?

764
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: We met in eighth grade, That's one of the questions. Yeah,

765
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: that was a band practice ester you were. I mean,

766
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: they submitted some really good, interesting questions that they might

767
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: not get asked because my mom would be Really it's

768
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: funny we met eighth grade. We want both of the

769
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: public school, uh school called Engleside. It was like this

770
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: big school. I want to say, I was like four

771
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: or kids in the is your four or kids and

772
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: eighth grade? Or four kids in seven eighth grade? But um,

773
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: I yeah, I liked her a lot then, you know,

774
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: and she was she was dating one of my friends.

775
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: I was dating one of her friends. We all kind

776
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: of did a lot of double dating together. And that's

777
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: really funny. Yeah, you know, and I, you know, liked

778
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: the girl that I was dating at the time, but

779
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: I also kind of like gas and uh and uh

780
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: it just over the you know, I think it came

781
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: back for a few weddings and stuff. You know, we

782
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: just kind of started actually started dating over like seventeen.

783
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: I guess we started dating a little bit, but Um

784
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: obviously left for school and for Nashville. We just kind

785
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: of dated here and there. Never could find the right

786
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: time to make it work. And then I was playing

787
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: a show for opening for George straight Um two thousand

788
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: February two tho five of Yeah in Las Vegas, and

789
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: she came out to the show and I was I

790
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: thought she was kind of coming as a friend, and

791
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I come out. I'll be on

792
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: the bus. And she came to the buses in the

793
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: back of the bus watching Old School for the hundred

794
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: millions of because we don't because I have Instagram, so

795
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: I did coming Girls. I guess Instagram is actually better

796
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: than just watching the same like Will Ferrell movies over

797
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: and over again. At least you're maybe learning something. But uh,

798
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: and then uh, she came out and I was like, wow,

799
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: the moment she walked to the bus is like right,

800
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: because you always hear the right time, right person, right

801
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: place has to be all three, and I was like,

802
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: this just feels like it's all three, and we Um

803
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: eloped at the end of that year. It was fun.

804
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: We met in Vengas, met in Las Vegas, and we

805
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: got engaged in Las Vegas in December, so it's like

806
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: within a year and three days later went to Mexico

807
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: got got married. So you just say, you've told me

808
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: before when she came on the bus and you were like,

809
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to marry that. Yeah, I knew right away.

810
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: How did you see? Much like hearing country music is

811
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: the first time hearing like the same and the moment

812
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: just be like wow, I this is like so clear,

813
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: because okay, we I'm bringing up the kind of broken

814
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: engagement type thing because you have that in comment, So

815
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: you've had tried before, and obviously in those moments you

816
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: would know right with the girl before I tried to

817
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: marry Yeah, so I tried to marry some once before

818
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: I didn't work out a little but um, But so

819
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: then what was different with Cass Well, that was just

820
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: like well, I want to I want to say maturity,

821
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: because I was not many much much more mature, But

822
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: the first time around was more like out of desperation.

823
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: I was just like trying to make this relationship work,

824
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: and I was trying to solve a lot of problems

825
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: with that, which is a terrible reason to get married.

826
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: Thank god she kind of recognized that. Um with Cass,

827
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: it was just like just something that's clicked. I don't

828
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: know what it was. I think you know, been on

829
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: the road for some of us. You know, you see

830
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: why there's so many young artists get married right now,

831
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: Like Luke Hombs is getting married and he's married, and

832
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Marion is married and and all, but like no, tr

833
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: and and uh f gl guys. I mean they like

834
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: all got married really young. I think people in this

835
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: were like, why are you getting married? So you like

836
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: stay single, you keep grinding and keep working, having fun,

837
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: and it's like it just gets kind of lonely out there.

838
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: You haven't want to share any of your ups or

839
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: downs with It's like you know one to like, you know,

840
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: you got an award show and there's you don't even

841
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: want to share that experience with her, and they're all

842
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: these amazing things that are happening in your life for

843
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: the first time, it's like no one's like they really

844
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: talked to him about us. So, uh when Cass, when

845
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: I just thought about her, that moment was just like yeah,

846
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: and then I didn't once I said I got the

847
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: marriage train rolling, I was. I definitely try to tap

848
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: the brake brakes a few times, and I'm like, whoa, Okay,

849
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: it's working better than I expected. Like this is really

850
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: going fast. You're moving to Nashville. Yeah, so it was

851
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: like your idea and then you were like, yeah, yeah,

852
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: it's like and honestly, it probably took me like eight

853
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: years like recover, uh, like to musically kind of get

854
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: back on track, because I feel like everything I've done

855
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: was like geared towards this, like single guy on the road,

856
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: you know it's knowing's like the hardest working guy in

857
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: country music. We did like forty one shows in forty

858
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: five days one time. I mean in a row. I

859
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: was just working NonStop. Loved the road, loved the bus,

860
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: love the lifestyle. That's kind of who I was. That trained.

861
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: That's like it's like train building up. Momentum is going

862
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: faster and faster and faster and faster. This is your guy,

863
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: not too I never used like the term brands and

864
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 1: all stuff, but you're kind of creating your own lane,

865
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: right and like it gets it's there's more heat and

866
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: you're nominated for stuff. And things are happening, and then

867
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: you get married and it just feel like, as a songwriter,

868
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm like an identity I didn't know. It's like I

869
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: gotta find this. I don't who this person? Whom I

870
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: you know? And then one starts coming out to you're like, oh,

871
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: you can write songs about being married. Here everyone just

872
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: looks at you differently and even though you kind of

873
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: feel the same, and so it's almost like you have

874
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: to stop that train, which takes a long time to do,

875
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: and like back it into the station and go start

876
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: up a whole new one. That's why I really feel

877
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: like it was for me. And I don't think you know,

878
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: because if you're not trying to go back and sing

879
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: songs about the single days, that but doesn't resonate with

880
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: me because that's not who I am down U. I

881
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: really feel like for me, it wasn't like two thousand

882
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: and uh. I mean the blue Grass Record was a

883
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: depart in two thousen ten. Home wasn't kind of an

884
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: attempt in that direction for sure, And then I feel

885
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: like like with with Riser and two thousand twelve was

886
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: probably like okay, start back, yeah, and me embracing this

887
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: whole life, embracing all there is to write about from

888
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: from that standpoint. I mean, so much more to write

889
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: about for me after I've done all the other stuff,

890
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, the heartbreak stuff like being married and everything

891
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: goes along with that, and certainly having kids a lot

892
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: or you don't have to write sing songs about kids,

893
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: but they teach you so much more about to have

894
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: taught meat le so much more about life. And I

895
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: just find I could write deeper and better songs. Uh

896
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: and and and we'll just not be afraid to go

897
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: there and and embrace that. You know. I think there's

898
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: also some fear that you're gonna like, you know, alien

899
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: eight totally. Yeah, it's a hard business to have a

900
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: serious relationship. And I would say I always think that

901
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: about I actually think I might do a podcast with

902
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: Cash just talking to out what it's like from her perspective,

903
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: because your your career is kind of navigate or you

904
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: have to navigate through that with your whole entire friendly

905
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you wives podcast to be interesting. You know, I

906
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: could never do what she did. I would you know,

907
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: be on the road and and just you know the

908
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: parties we have after the show and stuff, or you know,

909
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: it's nothing. Nothing's not doing anything wrong, not do anything

910
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: right either, but you're not. Differently, I doesn't doing anything wrong.

911
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: But it's just like why we haven't you know, why

912
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: are you doing this? Why why are you? You know?

913
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: For me, it's like, hey, it's Saturday. You know these

914
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: right the people get a Thursday, Friday, they get their weekends.

915
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't get a weekend. I don't get to go

916
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: to the local bar. And so we create a bar.

917
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, we have our we have fun and hanging

918
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I would be the worst. I would be

919
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: so jealous. I could never handled it at all. Like, yeah,

920
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: she's like a night I'm like, where are you? Yeah, exactly.

921
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: So there's a lot, a lot of growing, a lot

922
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: of me having to grow up. You know, Cass has

923
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: been so amazing how she's like pulled me through every

924
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: like major man life hurdle. You know, I think like

925
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: this day and age is so it's so much harder

926
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: now to do what you're supposed to do as a

927
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: guy because of the phone. I mean, there's just everything

928
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: he wants at your fingertips. It's just like, why would

929
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: you take these bigger steps when like you really don't

930
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: have to. You know. It's just like I'll just go

931
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: to my phone and hit up one of these social

932
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: like dating apps and stuff. So to me, like the

933
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: marriage thing was babe, then like help me kind of

934
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: really adjust to that. And then having a kid, you know,

935
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: it's like I I think of myself of wanting a kid,

936
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: but do I really want one? That's a lot of it,

937
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: you know, you know, or even getting a second dog

938
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: was Gas's idea. And then that's kind of helped me along.

939
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, she's give me the stepping stones and having

940
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: a kid, thank god we had, you know, she pulled

941
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: me along and and made that happen, and the second

942
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: one and talking about the third one. You know, it's

943
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: like these are not my Um, these are not things

944
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: I was leading the charge on. But once she kind

945
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: of pulled me through them, I'm so thankful she, you know,

946
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: had the wisdom that women have to to do that,

947
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: because I'm so you know, I would hate it, would

948
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: have missed out on a lot, obviously, UM said the least.

949
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the hell we're talking about here. Well,

950
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: right now you have three kids, you have it feels

951
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: like a thousand because you have three dogs. Is that right? Three? Yeah,

952
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here and we're all sleeping

953
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: in one room. This situation blows my mind. Why you know,

954
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: you just as a parent, there's no blueprint, and you

955
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: know you think when you have kids, you're like you're

956
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: not say it's any new parents out there. They're listening. Um,

957
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: it's like you know, they need to be in the room.

958
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: And they regimated, you know, and a lot of it's

959
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: like for cast with but Navy was born. It's like

960
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: we just want some time to be lundering some wine.

961
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: And didn't you know like so like you got to

962
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: we had a pretty good schedule. You now you did this.

963
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: There's a book called baby Wise. It like has the

964
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: scheduling mapped out. Okay, in like seventh third, like be

965
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: in your room, you know, go to have to sleep

966
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: so we can like hang for a little bit. Here.

967
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: She'd be screaming and you know she hated be in

968
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: the room. I didn't reverse the locks on her door

969
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: so she could get out. She'd be like staring with

970
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: one eye under the door, like screaming like that. I

971
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: know I found it later on Aby it's been alone,

972
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that at the time, but really

973
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: right now, it's just there's so many moving parts at night.

974
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: It's just like when they usually come in their room anyway.

975
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like threw matches on the floor

976
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: and I was reading this book. Um oh was the

977
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: last book I just read? Crap I can oh it's

978
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: called Go Wild. Great book. But you know, we're all

979
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: in country in the world, like the majority of the world.

980
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: Everyone sleeps in one room. They were sleeping. Oh yeah,

981
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: like they would think it's like child abuse to make

982
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: a kid sleeping by themselves. It's just so unnatural for

983
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: the millennia that we've been around. We all slept on

984
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: a campfire before fire. We're all just kind of near

985
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: each other. It's safety, you know. It's like you know,

986
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: someone is always up, Like the older people would be

987
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: up later kind of watching the group, the camps, the tents, whatever,

988
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: and then these these people get really early in the

989
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: middle night or something. Someone gets up early in the morning.

990
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: There's always someone awake around. It's how you sleep well.

991
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Knowing that can you get to know the sounds of

992
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: the fire or the animals that you know people sleeping

993
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: nearby you, and it's what makes you feel safe, throw

994
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: a kid in a room by themselves. For some kids,

995
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: it's just it's a really terrifying experience. So we're just

996
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: like now the kids a little older, but they're still

997
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: enjoy It's like everyone's gonna matches on the floor. Bedroom

998
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: looks like hell, but everyone's sleeping good, which is the

999
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: only that really matters. And uh, it kind of makes

1000
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: sense to me right now. I just kind of calling

1001
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: the wolf pack wolf in. Was it different for you

1002
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: because you have two girls? And then Knox came along

1003
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: and we've obviously been spending a lot of time with Knox.

1004
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: We just filmed the living video to be so cute.

1005
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Um, So, anyway, what was there any difference

1006
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: like with having a boy? Did that change you in

1007
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: any different way? You know, I think any most guys

1008
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: out there probably want a boy for the first kid

1009
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: because that's all they really know. And then if you're lucky,

1010
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: you get a girl, and you know, every just totally

1011
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: change the shape of my heart. She's just like it's

1012
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: she's just amazing, you know, She's just what she did

1013
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: to me. And then have another girl. I want another

1014
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: girl after Evy because I wanted to have sisters because

1015
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: my wife has a sister and that's a unique bond.

1016
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: The third one, I was kind of, ye, all right,

1017
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna get a get a boy here, And it's definitely.

1018
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like such a mini me. I got

1019
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: so lucky with Knox. He just loves everything I love

1020
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: and he's a total comedian and he's also really kind too.

1021
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: I think having older sisters has taught him a lot

1022
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: about like being a nice person. Um. But yeah, it's uh,

1023
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think when you talk about people I

1024
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: talked about. Some of this food stuff I try are

1025
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: the ice bass, the plunges are exercise stuff. A lot

1026
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: of it's about obviously wanted to feel now, and you

1027
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: feel great in the present moment, but planning, you know what,

1028
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: what how I wanted to look feel ten years down

1029
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: the road when Knox is fourteen, when Jordan's eighteen and

1030
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Evy's twenty, Like I want to be able to hang

1031
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: in there with him and be active and and and so.

1032
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: But certainly with Knox, Yeah, he's a Yeah, he loves

1033
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: we play hockey together. He plays hockey. I stopped playing

1034
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: hockey because he plays more than I do. Now he's

1035
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: only five and he's there three times a week and

1036
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: it's a great skier. He and I just want to

1037
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: call OUTO together, just the two of us. It was

1038
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: it was awesome. We he goes ski school at ski

1039
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: and then come back. He'd get a sprite, I get

1040
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: a few beers and some food and go home and

1041
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: watch Star Wars and do it all over again. It

1042
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: was like, he's like kind of like my you know,

1043
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: as far as my male friends goes. He's my my

1044
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: best friend. So we have a unique relationship. So he

1045
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: calls me as a brother because we're not having any

1046
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: more kids. So I was like, I will be your brother.

1047
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: I will do all the dumb stuff with you. Um

1048
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: and so he kind of he calls your brothers where

1049
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: you like that with your dad because you guys were

1050
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: really close. I was older so my dad by the time.

1051
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: My dad had two kids before me with his first wife,

1052
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: and she she had brain cancer and she passed away.

1053
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: So he remarried my mom, and so he had me

1054
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: when he was fifty and he there twenty years apart,

1055
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: and my brother when he was sixties. So he was

1056
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: that he was He did stuff with me and he

1057
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: taught me a lot of mechanics, working on like lawn

1058
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Speaker 1: mores and and just a how to drive boats and

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Speaker 1: cars and stuff. But he wasn't as physical as I

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Speaker 1: am with Knox. You know, Knox and I fight daily. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: but my brother who's ten years younger than me. Um,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the relationship I have with Knox is

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Speaker 1: a lot like the one I have my brother five

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Speaker 1: because um, I was ten years older than him and

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00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: we did everything together, and it's I still feel like I'm,

1066
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, a teenager. You know most of my Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: they feel like either feel like I'm a teenager. I

1068
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm like eighty years old. That's like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what I never feel. What you're doing age, And

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Speaker 1: I'm always like either feeling really young on stage or

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Speaker 1: playing with Knox, or I feel like it's incredibly exhausted.

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Speaker 1: What is that? Like? I think about you a lot

1073
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Speaker 1: because you're very hands on with your kids, and you

1074
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Speaker 1: can go play these huge venues and literally you walk

1075
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Speaker 1: off the stage. Let's say I don't know wherever you are.

1076
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Speaker 1: You come home and they don't give a ship that

1077
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Speaker 1: you're a dark spill. It doesn't matter at all to them.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter at all, no, make that transition. It's

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Speaker 1: the best though. I mean it really is. The think

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Speaker 1: anyone would tell you that. It's like having that waiting

1081
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Speaker 1: for you at home is like the best, Like you

1082
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Speaker 1: can just come home and be like and I work

1083
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Speaker 1: really hard to maintain that as far as like with

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Speaker 1: the house looks and stuff I've line around. There's like guitars,

1085
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Speaker 1: not too many guitars and guitars and mandolin's aren't lying

1086
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Speaker 1: around stuff. There's no like pictures of me on gold

1087
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Speaker 1: records or anything. You know, I don't want them. I

1088
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Speaker 1: want them to treat me like you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: want them treat me like crap, which they they can

1090
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Speaker 1: do something now, but now I just wanted to like

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Speaker 1: just be known as Dad. And you know I've trained

1092
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Speaker 1: them to like they will not they won't leave me alone.

1093
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Speaker 1: I mean they know I'm like mister activity guys. So

1094
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Speaker 1: it's like the backyard like dad, Dad, Dad Dad, you know,

1095
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Speaker 1: let's will plays hockey, let's go play basketball, let's go um.

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Speaker 1: They they're just I'm kind of like they're big, like

1097
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Speaker 1: I a camp camp counselor more than I'm like anything

1098
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Speaker 1: else with these guys. And but I'm you know, I'm

1099
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Speaker 1: trying to be pretty trying to do the best I can.

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Speaker 1: There's no blueprint for this ship. So you're just like,

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Speaker 1: how do you, you know, raise kind, nice, compassionate kids

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Speaker 1: and um and and try to help them, you know,

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Speaker 1: find with whatever they're interested in. So is that the

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Speaker 1: most important thing for you to teach them? You think?

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Speaker 1: I think? Yeah, I think for them to have like

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Speaker 1: you know, just yeah, compassion was looking for the truth

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Speaker 1: and every situation and um being you know, yeah, be nice,

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Speaker 1: respectful and it wouldn't need it. You know, Jordan's very vocal.

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Speaker 1: As girls, we teach them to be like, you know,

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Speaker 1: be vocal and say what you want to go after

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Speaker 1: what we want to do and and uh, you know

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Speaker 1: in that regard and um. But yeah, I just I

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Speaker 1: think being compassionate is is huge us to consider they're

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Speaker 1: my kids and they're really fortunate. Exactly. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys are enjoying the Derek's conversation just as much as

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Speaker 1: I did. I did ask a lot of the questions

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Speaker 1: that you guys sent into Velvet Edge on my Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and he answered, I swear you guys are perfect, though,

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Speaker 1: because every time I ask what you guys want to

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Speaker 1: know from a guy, y'all ask what his favorite sexual

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Speaker 1: position is. So, of course I'm here for the people,

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Speaker 1: so I asked. So we did a bunch of rapid

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Speaker 1: fire questions, found out what's next on the horizon for him,

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Speaker 1: and I asked the one question I've always wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask him. So listen next week on The Velvet Edge

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Speaker 1: Podcast with more Dirk Spentley