1
00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club. Hey club kids, did you miss us?

2
00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,640
Speaker 1: We're handing out a free app this week. It's part

3
00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,079
Speaker 1: one of our epic two parter on Downtown Restaurant or

4
00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,920
Speaker 1: Keith McNally. If you want part two, honey, you're gonna

5
00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,200
Speaker 1: have to head over to patreon dot com slash CBC

6
00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,280
Speaker 1: the pod that's dropping next week, But for now, this

7
00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:26,080
Speaker 1: one's on us. Love you. Who's that knocking at the door.

8
00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,200
Speaker 1: It's all your friends, you filthy whrse. Your husband's gone

9
00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,680
Speaker 1: and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

10
00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:37,560
Speaker 1: It's Hollywood, it's books, It's gossip. I'm shook. Its memoirs Martini,

11
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,480
Speaker 1: Celebrity poof Club. Come read it while it's hot. Celebrity

12
00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,600
Speaker 1: poof Club. I'll tell your secrets.

13
00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,640
Speaker 2: We won't talk celebrity books.

14
00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,600
Speaker 1: No, boys are a loud celebrity boo.

15
00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,280
Speaker 2: Say it loud and pound.

16
00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,000
Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club.

17
00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,080
Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer foe. Hey, best

18
00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,000
Speaker 2: friends friend?

19
00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:03,560
Speaker 1: How the hell are you?

20
00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,080
Speaker 2: Hey, best friend? It's so it's so good to say it.

21
00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,959
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because we don't get to say it as

22
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,760
Speaker 1: much now, But it's still true.

23
00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,280
Speaker 2: Mama, right and you have to make sure you're like

24
00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,200
Speaker 2: is it true.

25
00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, check in, check in with your bestie's out

26
00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,399
Speaker 1: there ladies, and make sure you guys are still each

27
00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,399
Speaker 1: other's number one, because sometimes those rankings can shift.

28
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,760
Speaker 3: No, they can totally fall, and in life sometimes things

29
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,920
Speaker 3: do fallt yes, and we all go through phases with

30
00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,920
Speaker 3: wives and children.

31
00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,240
Speaker 1: And friends and friends and restaurants.

32
00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,880
Speaker 2: And lovers that become friends.

33
00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,320
Speaker 1: And then wives that become business partners.

34
00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,680
Speaker 2: Exactly and close confidence.

35
00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you'll be able to tell by

36
00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,680
Speaker 3: the fact that you're listening to this episode on a

37
00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,720
Speaker 3: Wednesday and that we said, hey, best friend.

38
00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,720
Speaker 1: We're doing a book.

39
00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,720
Speaker 3: We're doing a book. Isn't it good to be back

40
00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,560
Speaker 3: in the old library.

41
00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,240
Speaker 1: A book that literally comes out and say it with

42
00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,560
Speaker 1: me today or yesterday's this week?

43
00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,040
Speaker 3: No, no, it comes out yesterday. Okay, wow, you listening to

44
00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,080
Speaker 3: this it comes out yesterday.

45
00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,680
Speaker 1: So be impressed by the fact that we railed this

46
00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,920
Speaker 1: in twenty four hours. Oh wait, no, we got the

47
00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,200
Speaker 1: arc ma man.

48
00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,519
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I'm talking about that galley bitch with big

49
00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,600
Speaker 3: confidential letters across the page.

50
00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,000
Speaker 1: It's like a slight gray diagonal letter that' says confidential

51
00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,359
Speaker 1: for review purposes only on every I will admit, well,

52
00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,760
Speaker 1: I am not ashamed to admit that when I was

53
00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,200
Speaker 1: reading this on the subway, I definitely was just like

54
00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,160
Speaker 1: just taking it out a little bit more solely, just

55
00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,799
Speaker 1: in case anyone was curious as to the cover. Be like, yeah,

56
00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,520
Speaker 1: that's right, this book that comes out next month. I'm

57
00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:38,960
Speaker 1: reading it.

58
00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like holding it so hard, hold like a

59
00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,639
Speaker 2: completely yeah holding galley.

60
00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, impressed, And then like letting people see the confidential

61
00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,240
Speaker 1: review purposes only. Yeah, that's right. If your eyes wander

62
00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,000
Speaker 1: over to my lap, yeah, keep your eyes off my crotch, asshole,

63
00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm reading a galley.

64
00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,960
Speaker 3: I wonder if anyone at Call Lord today when I

65
00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,359
Speaker 3: was reading it in the waiting room, was like so fucking.

66
00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,880
Speaker 1: Impressed, so fucking horny.

67
00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like, WHOA is that an arc?

68
00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe they would have been impressed if it was

69
00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,160
Speaker 1: like Ocean Wong's new book or something, or like the

70
00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,200
Speaker 1: sequel to a Little Life or something something in the

71
00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,720
Speaker 1: queer lit canon in which this book is not, I.

72
00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,280
Speaker 2: Would put this in the cannon.

73
00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,799
Speaker 1: Wait, I guess, I guess one is, but like by

74
00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,080
Speaker 1: accident in this way that's so like not gay that

75
00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:32,760
Speaker 1: I really love.

76
00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,320
Speaker 2: But right, it's so not gay that it is gay,

77
00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:36,320
Speaker 2: but it's also.

78
00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,320
Speaker 1: Like way gayer and more honest than like any other

79
00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,360
Speaker 1: ship book. Okay, who are we talking about?

80
00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:40,960
Speaker 2: Let's say it.

81
00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,120
Speaker 1: You know him as the restauranteur who invented downtown Acquardant

82
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,720
Speaker 1: to New York Times, he is the owner of Baltasar.

83
00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,680
Speaker 1: It's so funny that you say Baltussar and not balt Bazar.

84
00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:52,760
Speaker 1: Can we unpack? You know?

85
00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,480
Speaker 3: I was watching this interview of him when he's talking

86
00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,320
Speaker 3: about opening up the London version, which we'll get into

87
00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,160
Speaker 3: this episode, and I realized he's saying Baltzar, and then I.

88
00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,440
Speaker 1: Will whoa, Now you just really clipped it. You just

89
00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,200
Speaker 1: made that two syllables. You just said Baltzar.

90
00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,840
Speaker 3: Well that's what he was kind of saying in this interview.

91
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,480
Speaker 3: He was like Boltsar, Yeah, balts Are. He was like, well,

92
00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,280
Speaker 3: I hope to make the London bolts Are, you know,

93
00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,039
Speaker 3: like the New York But you know, expectations. It's like

94
00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,920
Speaker 3: when you know a woman hears it you're good.

95
00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,800
Speaker 2: In bed and and and then you sleep with her

96
00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,080
Speaker 2: and you're not good in bed.

97
00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,760
Speaker 1: Baltzar. I mean that's a really clipped well of course

98
00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,200
Speaker 1: English working class bethnal Green, like you know those clipped vowels,

99
00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:35,880
Speaker 1: right Boltza.

100
00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,640
Speaker 2: So okay, so how do you say it?

101
00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,279
Speaker 1: I say both bizarre?

102
00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,400
Speaker 2: Oh, both are.

103
00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:47,240
Speaker 1: Both bizarre, you know the soft the soft.

104
00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,520
Speaker 3: And I'm giving it kind of a baltazar.

105
00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,960
Speaker 1: Most times that I've heard it spoken in my circles

106
00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,720
Speaker 1: as a member of the downtown New York literati, I

107
00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,280
Speaker 1: hear people saying both.

108
00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,720
Speaker 2: Thesar, bothre.

109
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,120
Speaker 3: Bazaar, come over here, both tazar, come over here. No,

110
00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,600
Speaker 3: I want my next group of fish. I want to

111
00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:21,800
Speaker 3: name pestis bald bizarre shillers, Kathy Luxemburgva.

112
00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,000
Speaker 1: Is a really good name for fish.

113
00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:27,920
Speaker 2: School. Okay, who are we talking about if you don't

114
00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:28,960
Speaker 2: know already.

115
00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,400
Speaker 1: None other than Keith McNally and.

116
00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,360
Speaker 2: His spanking fresh from the Kitchen.

117
00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,960
Speaker 1: Book I regret almost everything. And here he has on

118
00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,760
Speaker 1: the cover and I wool having bone overcoat, sort of

119
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,600
Speaker 1: gazing somewhere in the distance. Looks like he's on a

120
00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,479
Speaker 1: sidewalk in New York City, maybe just thinking about his life.

121
00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,039
Speaker 1: Black and white photo. It was probably in four days

122
00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,560
Speaker 1: in this shot. Eye.

123
00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has this kind of cool spiky hair in it.

124
00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,560
Speaker 2: That kind of name feels very fifties.

125
00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,400
Speaker 1: Yes, but the photo is probably from the early two thousands.

126
00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,599
Speaker 2: Maybe I just have to say I ate this book up.

127
00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:13,920
Speaker 2: Honey doored it.

128
00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,720
Speaker 1: It was fucking eight course meal devoured.

129
00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,400
Speaker 2: Obviously, this is like actual like catnip for us.

130
00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's restaurants, it's drama, it's celebrities, it's.

131
00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,440
Speaker 3: Martini's Sick, it's Martini's, it's fall Gral, it's Patti Smith.

132
00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,200
Speaker 1: And he's a great writer, and I mean he really

133
00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, Tina Brown was talking about this on her substock,

134
00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,640
Speaker 1: you know that one humiliation that everyone now is suffered.

135
00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,480
Speaker 2: So crazy that Tina Brown has a substock.

136
00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,920
Speaker 1: It's just like, wow, we really all just got to

137
00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,400
Speaker 1: be out there begging for cash digitally panhandling. And she

138
00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,760
Speaker 1: said she was like, reading this book, I realized I

139
00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,720
Speaker 1: should have hired him as a writer at Vanity Fair.

140
00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he just has he has voice, he has

141
00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,480
Speaker 1: a gift for voice. And you know, the structure of

142
00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,480
Speaker 1: the book is quite compelling. So it begins with his

143
00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,839
Speaker 1: attempted suicide after his stroke.

144
00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,440
Speaker 3: So it's kind of these these tragedies one after another

145
00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,080
Speaker 3: where he's it's like bam, And a lot of us didn't.

146
00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,680
Speaker 2: Even know that he had an attempt at suicide.

147
00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 1: No, in my community, in your community of Keith watchers, No,

148
00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the suicide either. And I you know,

149
00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,240
Speaker 1: obviously by the stroke, because if you follow him on Instagram,

150
00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,880
Speaker 1: he's a voracious Instagram poster, partly because he had a

151
00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,600
Speaker 1: stroke that took away his faculties with speech and he

152
00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,440
Speaker 1: kind of speaks in his more slurred way now, and

153
00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,720
Speaker 1: so Instagram lets him express himself much more easily.

154
00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,280
Speaker 3: And I feel like that was also why many of

155
00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,200
Speaker 3: us out there were so excited for this book, because

156
00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,560
Speaker 3: we all got this taste of you know, and he

157
00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,880
Speaker 3: writes these long, detailed posts and kind of these these

158
00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,560
Speaker 3: humorous but sad and you know lately, you know, in

159
00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,880
Speaker 3: some of the gossip, you know, he's a famous.

160
00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,920
Speaker 1: Poster in this book, but you know, but a lot

161
00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,120
Speaker 1: of it's posting. He's always posting about his restaurants, and

162
00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,440
Speaker 1: like with this very kind of romantic, cantankerous misanthrope like

163
00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,000
Speaker 1: viewer is just like, oh and you know, another terrible

164
00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,840
Speaker 1: night at both this are We did six hundred covers

165
00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080
Speaker 1: and so he's you know, there's a transparency. He's like

166
00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,960
Speaker 1: pulling the curtain back and telling you about like all

167
00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,720
Speaker 1: the money they made. Be He's always like has this

168
00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,560
Speaker 1: kind of like faux disdain for like you know, powered

169
00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,560
Speaker 1: and celebrity and wealth and like you love to like

170
00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,600
Speaker 1: take people down a peg, even though obviously he's like

171
00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,800
Speaker 1: completely enamored with celebrities and also like creating a space

172
00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,760
Speaker 1: that is like a place to go spend your money

173
00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,920
Speaker 1: and wants people to be rich and glamorous.

174
00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,560
Speaker 3: Like right, it's like his whole kind of I would say,

175
00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,199
Speaker 3: like style of restaurant is for a celebrity to go

176
00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,760
Speaker 3: to in jeans. Yes, he's so, which I think comes

177
00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,640
Speaker 3: from his generation because he is like maybe like a

178
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,600
Speaker 3: younger boomer. So it like comes out of this like, oh, well,

179
00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,320
Speaker 3: the French restaurants of New York of the sixties where

180
00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,599
Speaker 3: you know, you had to put on a tie and

181
00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,719
Speaker 3: and jacket and there weren't really these big French of

182
00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,760
Speaker 3: bistros where you could wear a leather jacket and jeans

183
00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,800
Speaker 3: and have steak free.

184
00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,839
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about him? So I thank you

185
00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,599
Speaker 1: for me them about because I feel like you know,

186
00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,200
Speaker 1: like somewhat early in the book, he does he imagines

187
00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,040
Speaker 1: himself as like reinventing the wheel and restaurants, and literally

188
00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,000
Speaker 1: every restaurant thinks that they've reinvented the wheel, and he

189
00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,040
Speaker 1: thinks he's the first person to be like French cuisine

190
00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,600
Speaker 1: was so stuffy and uptown and menus had the longest

191
00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,920
Speaker 1: titles of dishes on them and way too many dishes

192
00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,839
Speaker 1: on them. And I said, what if we made a

193
00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,400
Speaker 1: brasserie that was a little more accessible, okay, or you

194
00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,160
Speaker 1: could just go get a good steak frets in the

195
00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,520
Speaker 1: neighborhood and a glass of champagne. It's like, that's literally

196
00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,120
Speaker 1: what every restaurant or has ever thought ever. They're like,

197
00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,760
Speaker 1: what if the food is really good but it's actually

198
00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,280
Speaker 1: like kind of casual, kind of casual and more down

199
00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,840
Speaker 1: to earth like even to this day, like every new

200
00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,240
Speaker 1: like small Plates rethinks that they're doing the same thing

201
00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,400
Speaker 1: of being like, you know, we saw every other place

202
00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,959
Speaker 1: was supertentious, and we were like, how about we just

203
00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,240
Speaker 1: do some like seven things really good good And what if.

204
00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,760
Speaker 3: Sorry, what if this what if it was just fucking

205
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:06,240
Speaker 3: bankots a zinc bar right now Vintage mirrors from Burgundy

206
00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,200
Speaker 3: from seventeen ninety.

207
00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,520
Speaker 2: And then we wrote them menu on the mirrors. What

208
00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,920
Speaker 2: about that? What about that?

209
00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,719
Speaker 3: But what's not to really jump ahead here, But while

210
00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,520
Speaker 3: we're on the subject of kind of RESTAURANTSS being rocketed

211
00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,040
Speaker 3: to head. The two chefs he hired for both the

212
00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 3: czar who you know, became partners, you know, ended up

213
00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:26,640
Speaker 3: becoming partners.

214
00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,840
Speaker 2: In Minetta and then Pastisee. They opened up, Vodoor, they opened.

215
00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,840
Speaker 1: Up and French Chatte, where we had a lovely meal

216
00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,559
Speaker 1: at Lily by the way, let's just say.

217
00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,120
Speaker 2: Let's just say we had a lovely meal there after

218
00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,000
Speaker 2: leaving Odeon.

219
00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, his former restaurant with his former ex

220
00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,880
Speaker 1: wife Lynn Weggencock or wow. No, I mean it's impossible

221
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,640
Speaker 1: to escape as New York if you live here and

222
00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,680
Speaker 1: you're in the know, as of course we are.

223
00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,599
Speaker 3: This is but I guess sorry, just to thread my

224
00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280
Speaker 3: point is that those two restaurants are trying to bring

225
00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,160
Speaker 3: back a little little bit of the stuffiness. His ex

226
00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,199
Speaker 3: chefs are trying to bring back a little bit of

227
00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,319
Speaker 3: the stuff in Malagy. Yes, in their newer French restaurants. Yes,

228
00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,640
Speaker 3: Vodor is spelling against but it's also.

229
00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,319
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I haven't been to Vodor, you know,

230
00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,640
Speaker 1: because I might as well. I'm the biggest loser on earth,

231
00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,600
Speaker 1: and like you should run me over with an NYC

232
00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,240
Speaker 1: garbage truck. But like I have been to the Rock,

233
00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,760
Speaker 1: which is also theirs, and like rock is I'll say this,

234
00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,520
Speaker 1: it's fine for like a pre dinner, the pre theater meal.

235
00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm not like rushing to go back. It's like really

236
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,480
Speaker 1: expensive and like I don't think it's so worth it.

237
00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,840
Speaker 2: It's exactly what my his mom said, Well ARPI okay, but.

238
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,080
Speaker 1: Like they're also thinking that they're reinventing the wheel by

239
00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,480
Speaker 1: going fancy again, you know what I mean.

240
00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,520
Speaker 2: They're like, what if we were fancy?

241
00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,959
Speaker 3: Do you remember the days of the nineteen sixties when

242
00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,480
Speaker 3: men with them jackets?

243
00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,679
Speaker 1: Okay, so, but Balthazar, as you were describing, has like

244
00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,880
Speaker 1: a zinc bar. It's like a French brasserie. It's like

245
00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,319
Speaker 1: the concept is like, it's not it is not reinventing

246
00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,079
Speaker 1: a single wheel. When he talks about the when this

247
00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,199
Speaker 1: attorney goes The idea for Balta came about while I

248
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,959
Speaker 1: was living in Paris, seven years before I built the place.

249
00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,640
Speaker 1: Although it's hard for me to come up with good ideas.

250
00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,800
Speaker 1: A few decent ones I've ever had come about by

251
00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 1: pure accident. I was searching for vintage curtains at a

252
00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,040
Speaker 1: Paris flea market in nineteen ninety when I suddenly spotted

253
00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,800
Speaker 1: an old CPIA photo of a turn of the century bar.

254
00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,160
Speaker 1: Behind the bar zinc counter one hundreds of liquor bottles

255
00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,520
Speaker 1: stack twenty feet high, flanked by two towering statues of

256
00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,720
Speaker 1: semi naked women carved in the classical Greek style. It's like, sorry,

257
00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,360
Speaker 1: you saw a photo of a bar with liquor bottles

258
00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,280
Speaker 1: behind it, and it gave me the idea for her restaurant.

259
00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,000
Speaker 3: All of his inspiration is a photo of a naked

260
00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,280
Speaker 3: woman's isn't thin?

261
00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

262
00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:43,480
Speaker 2: The way?

263
00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,280
Speaker 1: Yes, she went, how do I say this bottle cheli esk?

264
00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,520
Speaker 2: But he was like, I don't know.

265
00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,959
Speaker 3: It wasn't one of those models. She had curves and

266
00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,640
Speaker 3: she was leaning. I literally drank every time he says

267
00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,760
Speaker 3: zinc in this book. But it's like and bottles stashed.

268
00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,880
Speaker 3: I guess what he's time as he's not time about

269
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,040
Speaker 3: just two shelves. He's talking about balls to the wall.

270
00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:06,560
Speaker 2: Liquor.

271
00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still just like and he's it, and it's

272
00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,640
Speaker 1: like a photo of a bar, isn't an idea for

273
00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,800
Speaker 1: a bar? That just is a photo of a bar,

274
00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,600
Speaker 1: And then you're just doing a concept that exists already,

275
00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,560
Speaker 1: which is just like French brasserie like but mirrors.

276
00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,360
Speaker 3: Like I'm also like always seeing a photo of a

277
00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,840
Speaker 3: vintage bar, being like, wait, I have an idea.

278
00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,720
Speaker 2: Bar, but it's old.

279
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,280
Speaker 1: The concept is bar.

280
00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,280
Speaker 3: And then in this trip, so he gets like when

281
00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,120
Speaker 3: he creates a restaurant, he admits very wildly, like it

282
00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,959
Speaker 3: it takes a lot of money, honey.

283
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always running out, it's always going in a debt.

284
00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,080
Speaker 3: And because so he goes to France and he finds

285
00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:55,520
Speaker 3: these vintage luggage racks and like French luggage racks to

286
00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,640
Speaker 3: put on like the ceiling of baltasar and he buys

287
00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,920
Speaker 3: them in like greater and then he comes back and

288
00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,559
Speaker 3: the guy has like shined them and polished them so

289
00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,200
Speaker 3: they don't look vintage anymore.

290
00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,040
Speaker 2: And he's like, I've never been more.

291
00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,200
Speaker 1: Upsetting, absolutely furious.

292
00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,320
Speaker 2: It was heartbreaking.

293
00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,040
Speaker 1: And then at Kathy Luxembourg, he like he was like, wait,

294
00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,559
Speaker 1: what if we have the idea to do like the

295
00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,040
Speaker 1: postcard with a check that's like a funky postcard of

296
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,840
Speaker 1: the restaurant. And then he's like, let's do a photo

297
00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,680
Speaker 1: shoot with Zoftig women like right the bar. But then

298
00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,520
Speaker 1: they accidentally hired these fucking Vogue models, right, So.

299
00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,200
Speaker 3: He calls like a model agency, right, and they said,

300
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,760
Speaker 3: have these Vogue models and he's like, absolutely not what

301
00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,440
Speaker 3: I want. So he's like, no, I want like curvy,

302
00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,200
Speaker 3: big Luxembourgian curls.

303
00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,400
Speaker 2: And he was like and it was perfect.

304
00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,960
Speaker 3: I was wondering about the postcard thing, where I was like,

305
00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,880
Speaker 3: people were probably doing it, but that was another thing

306
00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,360
Speaker 3: where he was like, would it be so crazy if

307
00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,360
Speaker 3: we gave people a post card?

308
00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like he's probably lying about coming up

309
00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,440
Speaker 1: with that idea because obviously lots of restaurants do that,

310
00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,720
Speaker 1: and you know, it does add to the experience. It's

311
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,800
Speaker 1: like another point of branding that I think, you know,

312
00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,800
Speaker 1: helps sell the overall narrative of the restaurant and you know,

313
00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,080
Speaker 1: leaves the consumer with like just like a little bit

314
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,400
Speaker 1: of a closer relationship to the brand. But I can't

315
00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,040
Speaker 1: imagine that he came up with that idea. It's like,

316
00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,160
Speaker 1: obviously other people.

317
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,600
Speaker 3: Were doing that, right, but yeah, just to take it

318
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,520
Speaker 3: back a little now, like to the seventies. So the

319
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 3: big reveal in this book is in his early twenties

320
00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,960
Speaker 3: he had a homosex wood relationship.

321
00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,840
Speaker 2: Yes, play right. Alan Bennett, the famous.

322
00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,840
Speaker 1: Celebrated British playwright Alan Bennett, author of the Madness of

323
00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,200
Speaker 1: King George, is part of.

324
00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:51,920
Speaker 2: The Beyond the Fringe group now.

325
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,360
Speaker 3: And he was just a working class boy, you know,

326
00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,480
Speaker 3: from bethnal Green and but he wanted to be he

327
00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,000
Speaker 3: wanted to be a filmmaker. You want to be sund

328
00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,880
Speaker 3: by the intellect. And he started hanging out with Alan

329
00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,320
Speaker 3: Bennett and he was like, it's so cool the way

330
00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,800
Speaker 3: you talk about art and culture and plays.

331
00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,040
Speaker 2: And I feel like he was like just experiencing like

332
00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,320
Speaker 2: gay guy criticism.

333
00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,520
Speaker 1: So he says he was seventeen when they met, or no,

334
00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,000
Speaker 1: he says he was like eighteen when the relationship started.

335
00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,720
Speaker 1: But I kind of think maybe he's lying about that

336
00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,160
Speaker 1: just to protect on. I think he was seventeen. It's

337
00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,360
Speaker 1: groom central. But you know what I'm you know, I

338
00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,360
Speaker 1: feel like he's really like grateful to have been groomed.

339
00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like he's like I learned like so

340
00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,880
Speaker 1: much from this guy who I got to be around

341
00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,520
Speaker 1: him and his playwright friends, and it was like it

342
00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,480
Speaker 1: was such an education. He says.

343
00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,280
Speaker 3: I've had two homosexual relationships in my life. The first

344
00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,400
Speaker 3: was with an actor when I was sixteen. The second

345
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,360
Speaker 3: and more serious one was with the English play right

346
00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,080
Speaker 3: Alan Bennett.

347
00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,000
Speaker 1: So and they're doing that. I left his like so

348
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,640
Speaker 1: like and like after the plays they would have right Sorry.

349
00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,280
Speaker 3: Supper was always simple, a light salad and a chunk

350
00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,160
Speaker 3: of pete or cold chicken that Alan and.

351
00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,520
Speaker 2: Had roasted before the theater.

352
00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,159
Speaker 3: During the meal, we talk about that night's play, but

353
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,639
Speaker 3: to avoid getting serious too quickly, Alan would preface his

354
00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,320
Speaker 3: thoughts on the play by gossiping about the actors.

355
00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,960
Speaker 2: He was quite funny about short actors, with Edward fox

356
00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,159
Speaker 2: Off in his main target.

357
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,480
Speaker 3: That's something so seventies and also British of it, calling

358
00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,600
Speaker 3: something just like, oh, just a chunk of pettis.

359
00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,080
Speaker 1: Chunk of pette. It's giving cat food, you.

360
00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,000
Speaker 2: Know, it's very gay cat food.

361
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,120
Speaker 1: So six weeks after our theater go and routine began,

362
00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,399
Speaker 1: Alan drove me to see a small Anglican church in

363
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,840
Speaker 1: the countryside. On our return we stopped the car arrestop

364
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,399
Speaker 1: to eat sandwiches and drink tea from a flask. It

365
00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,680
Speaker 1: was a dreary day, and Alan seemed unusually melancholy. It

366
00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,399
Speaker 1: was then that I sensed he was in love with me.

367
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,160
Speaker 1: Not long after that, I stayed the night at his house.

368
00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,640
Speaker 1: Sleeping with Alan felt like a natural progression of our friendship.

369
00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,560
Speaker 1: It was uncomplicated. I never once felt guilty about it.

370
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 1: After that first night, I'd say two or three times

371
00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,920
Speaker 1: a week and I'm just like, okay, so sorry, Na Pride,

372
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,480
Speaker 1: what were you all doing? You know?

373
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:02,800
Speaker 2: I was almost up.

374
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,680
Speaker 3: Because I was like, Okay, he's you know, he's very upfront,

375
00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,199
Speaker 3: but he's also like he talks about sex a lot, but.

376
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,399
Speaker 2: Like, can you talk about the positions?

377
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is twenty five? Who's topping?

378
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

379
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:21,040
Speaker 1: Like was there? Boy butter involved? Was there? Chunk Pete and.

380
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 2: Chunks was so twink?

381
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,240
Speaker 1: It's Twink Top elder gay Bottom.

382
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,960
Speaker 3: It has to be, Yeah, because I don't really see

383
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,440
Speaker 3: Keith Bottom and such a young age and experimenting bottoming.

384
00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,920
Speaker 3: I think it would be a lot more comfortable for

385
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,919
Speaker 3: him to be this kind of well sprightly young Okay,

386
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,399
Speaker 3: But I could also see this very just kind of

387
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 3: like frottage and.

388
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 2: Blow a lot of oral to start out with.

389
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,960
Speaker 1: It was side central over there.

390
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a side.

391
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,080
Speaker 1: It's side Eaton's green, lad. I don't. I don't know

392
00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,520
Speaker 1: because also though, because there's something about this reallyationship is

393
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 1: very very ancient Greece like that, because you have this

394
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 1: older man who's like this the tutor, and then the

395
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 1: younger man who was eager to learn in his feet,

396
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 1: and those relationships the classic, you know, pederasty relationships. The

397
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 1: older man was always the top, the younger man was

398
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 1: always the bottom, and that was like why it was

399
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 1: acceptable socially. So I do wonder if some of that

400
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 1: played out as well, and Alan was like I'm the

401
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,080
Speaker 1: teacher here, you're the student, and it only makes sense

402
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 1: for me to penetrate it.

403
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 3: I think penetration absolutely happened. I'm just kind of I

404
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,439
Speaker 3: was more thinking about the early The early hooking up

405
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 3: was probably like pretty.

406
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 1: Oral and then like maybe you think that they're like

407
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 1: not having full sacks their first name. Yeah, it was

408
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 1: they were pet They were petting for three weeks.

409
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 3: It was a petting for three weeks, and then it

410
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 3: was so like, I kind of feel like anal happened

411
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 3: after the Dreary Tea from the flask.

412
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, but that's he said was the

413
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 1: first time they slept to go Oh, the dreary tea

414
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,959
Speaker 1: was when he realized he was in love with them,

415
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: and then they slept together in the night. So that

416
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: would be the that would be the first time. That

417
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be weeks of petting.

418
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 2: Hmmm. Well, I guess we'll never know. I know, I

419
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 2: just I want to Yeah, I guess I want to

420
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:15,680
Speaker 2: have it for a few weeks.

421
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: I want to have an opinion on the top bottom though.

422
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,400
Speaker 1: I want to come down on a side here.

423
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 2: And I think it is classic, but now I'm just like,

424
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 2: don't you think old?

425
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 3: So it was like a young British boy maybe like

426
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 3: he was excited by the fact that he could like

427
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 3: fuck your guy in the ass and was like, let

428
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 3: me try.

429
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: I feel like that's such a modern like idea. Well no,

430
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: not really. Well okay, here's like here's what I also think. Like,

431
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 1: I think it's.

432
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: Actually when you're younger, is when you are more verse

433
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: before you're.

434
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: Like right, you're clay ready to be molded. I also

435
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 1: think though that we if we assume that he would

436
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: be the top, because he like ends up being a

437
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: straight guy, so we're like, well, hole, it's a hole,

438
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: so he can fox. He can do that job. However,

439
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 1: something I learned on the Tyra Banks Show once many

440
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: years ago was that a lot of the gay for pay,

441
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,479
Speaker 1: like porn stars, are often bottoms because you don't need

442
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: to be hard to bottom. And so if he's not

443
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: actually as gay as Alan Bennett, the whole sexual act

444
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: isn't relying on his erection. If he's going to be

445
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: the bottom, what.

446
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: About this cut to the whole pod just being about this?

447
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 3: When so he goes on this huge hitchhiking trip very

448
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: like seventies, literally goes like Catman do.

449
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, hitchhikes the Catman do from London. It's iconic. You

450
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: can never do this today, It's like.

451
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 2: Literally never do it.

452
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 3: He's always been like, oh, the Afghans are so such

453
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: good hosts. And he falls in love with like so

454
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 3: many girls in bookstores who like sell maps.

455
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

456
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: And when he comes back, Alan is a little bit like,

457
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: so I'll be starting up again, yeah, And he realizes, like,

458
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 3: you know, after falling in love with so many map girls.

459
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't really want to, but he also,

460
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: like I think, really appreciates and loves Alan as a friend,

461
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: so he feels bad totally ending the physical relationship.

462
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I could see him coming back and bottoming.

463
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh you think he was like almost like guilt guilt bottoming.

464
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the when he returns from the big hit.

465
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: So he was topping before Catman do guilt bottoming after, Okay,

466
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: and that it's ultimately going to be the truth that

467
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to say.

468
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: Right, that's where we've kind of sided on and feel

469
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: free to get in the comments after reading this. But

470
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 3: it's beautiful because they stay literally like bestie is throughout

471
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 3: his whole life and actually, of course in restaurants, right Lynn,

472
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: his first wife becomes even better friends yeah.

473
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: With Alan, and they're all just being like, oh God,

474
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: of course we're all former lovers. But we'll have to

475
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: say business partners forever, kind of like.

476
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: You and me, right, sorry, we have to stay business.

477
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: We have to open up a restaurant.

478
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: This road trip which is like so iconic and like

479
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: there's this thing where you can send a letter to

480
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: any city in the world.

481
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: How cool is that? And you just go to the post.

482
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: You just go to the post. Yeah, and it just

483
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: like has a name on it, just like a person's name.

484
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: You just send a letter to Keith McNally in timbucktoo,

485
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: and then you go to timbuckto and you're like, oh,

486
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: here's my letter.

487
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 3: I actually acted like that exists in the world today.

488
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: If I made tangent for one second, I was acting

489
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: like Keith. I ordered a T shirt off of T

490
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: Pop and I it said it was delivered, but I

491
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 3: couldn't find it. And then I saw I had in

492
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: my dpop a wrong address listed.

493
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: So I just went to the building. I was like,

494
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: is there a package for me here?

495
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

496
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: No, that's exactly the same thing as mailing a letter

497
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: to timbuk two.

498
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying as I was being so like, hello,

499
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: I'm here, my name is Lily. Where's my package?

500
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: And this like old woman was just like get off

501
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: my lawn.

502
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: It was a little like younger woman with like a

503
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: doll being so sketch by me.

504
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, just call it the package. So I love when

505
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: he's talking about being in Istanbul, like at the pudding

506
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: shop and like there was so many hippies and drifters,

507
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: because like there was a lot of like hippies doing

508
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: the old like like the Silk Right.

509
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 2: Everyone hitchhike to then you do row Darling.

510
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: No, the pudding shop sounded so iconic. It was like yeah,

511
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: like a cool place for hippies that did serve like

512
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 3: Middle Eastern food, but it also was being like they

513
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: were playing like the New rock and role that he

514
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: had missed because he was away right on his like hitchhiking,

515
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: and there was like all these books there that you could.

516
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: Like love right and you could like get out like

517
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: a pamphlet from Fuco. Like the was like rolling around

518
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: at the coffee shop. I was just like if this

519
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: were today, It's like if you were doing this Silk

520
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Road today in the pudding shop, I mean, it would

521
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: all just be like I mean, first of all, you

522
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't build hitchhig you would have to be like paying

523
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: for so many like e visas and like down leaving

524
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: like absolutely awful apps like in every country. And I'm

525
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: sure just like Ron has like a really shitty app

526
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: like it's difficult to us and that I would say that,

527
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: and then you would just be with like all these

528
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: content creators like to put.

529
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: The phones out at the pudding shop would be crazy,

530
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: and it would be like the new Boy Genius being

531
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: played and someone being like, oh my god, you've been

532
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: on the Silk Road.

533
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: You haven't heard any song.

534
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 3: And then are you like the books being left? Are

535
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: you like picking up the new like actually like trick

536
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: Mirror or whatever. At I'd be like, oh, I'm having

537
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: I kind of missed this one. It's like de Transition,

538
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: baby Mirror.

539
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm reading The Guest by Emma Kleine in istan Pool.

540
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: Well while I'm like filming my TikTok, just being like

541
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: sexty countries and a hundred's come with me.

542
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: I love.

543
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: The Turkish people are so kind. You have to go

544
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: to this mom, it's amazing.

545
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: Follow me for more chips about jerky.

546
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: This is a really dope bookshop. They had all these

547
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: really cool books. They've never heard of Transition.

548
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: If you go through this curtain, all of a sudden

549
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: it's a record shop.

550
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: And if you go through another curtain, yeah, it's a

551
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: vintage clothing store where you can find tons of dead stock.

552
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: Carhard and then one more curtain you're in the Ace

553
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: hotelis stock Pool. Oh god, you know there's shades of

554
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: I kind of like this book to me felt a

555
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: little bit like a mix of Verna Hoozog's book and

556
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdines book, like you have like Anthony Boardines like

557
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: really misanthropic, like like fuck this system, but man, there's

558
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: nothing better than this, like in New York City and

559
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: counting your tips at the end of the night with

560
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: all the busts.

561
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: But it's so, what's so funny about Keith mcdally, would

562
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: she what?

563
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: I like? He's more kind of self aware than Anthony Boardame,

564
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: where he's like, I've literally never been a chef. I

565
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: I've just been dying to become like a filmmaker, which

566
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: kind of happened but didn't really Like I'm so and

567
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: he's like my best memory End of the Night odeon

568
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight watching all the service counter tips, drink

569
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: beer and smoke, and man we had some.

570
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: Laughs and talk shit about the customers. That's what I's

571
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: all about. Okay, wait, can we talk about the celebrity

572
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: the unnamed celebrity actress that he sleeps with x X.

573
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: Okay, I have some guesses.

574
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: I have some guesses. So he this woman like comes

575
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: and sleeps with him, and she arrives at his house.

576
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: They like talked on the phone like a couple of times.

577
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: Then she comes to New York. She rives in his

578
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: house with two huge suitcases at one in the morning

579
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: and she's bringing.

580
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: A baseball high and he's discussed.

581
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: He goes, nothing puts me off sex more than a

582
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: woman with a huge suitcase case.

583
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: Best line, literally the best line. And he was like,

584
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: caps are discussed.

585
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: He was already like caps are disgusting and a woman

586
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: with a suitcase and he was like he was. She

587
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: said she was tired, which I thought man code for sex,

588
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: but he was like, she actually did want to fall asleep,

589
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: which thank god because with that suitcase, in my vision,

590
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to get hard.

591
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: He hates hats because I feel like half the people

592
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: at Bulta Thar are so with their little moment the

593
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: moment yeah, I was literally about to say that with

594
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: the moment design store, like yeah, I literally want to

595
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: throw up. So he says that she's an actress and

596
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: a television show that teenagers watch, and Night sent him

597
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: it's nineteen ninety eight tapes.

598
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: She sent him tapes of the show for him to

599
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: watch so.

600
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Here are my guesses. Shoot, Katie Holmes, Nev Campbell, Party

601
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: of Five, Michelle Williams Dawson's Creek or then I was like,

602
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: what if it's Heather Locklear from Monroe's Place teen show? Okay,

603
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: because Heather Locklear is so like sexy and badass and

604
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: like kind of would be with big suitcases. Maybe, but

605
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I could also see Michelle Williams being kind of suitcase.

606
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: But I could also see Nev Campbell being so I'm

607
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: coming in the night.

608
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: I think it's a more Nev. Michelle is like, I

609
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: don't can she carry two suitcases?

610
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Well? No, that's why he had to carry them up

611
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: the stairs. She was rolling it.

612
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: Probably I was imagining it someone from maybe Nino to

613
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: and oh, I'm just like Shannon Doughty Jenny Garth.

614
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: Something's so funny to me about the name Jenny Garth,

615
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: and like always will be. Wait, maybe it is Shannon

616
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Darty and that's.

617
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: Why he hooked up with Derinda. He likes blonds.

618
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: He hooked up with Derinda.

619
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a quote unquote tour affair for three

620
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: months in nineteen ninety six.

621
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: Wait, he didn't mention that in the book.

622
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: No, But it like he that was one of his crazies.

623
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just like him saying something crazy

624
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: on Instagram that can't be true. I mean also, they

625
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: are like the same age. That does make sense, right,

626
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: it's not that weird.

627
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: She is always like dating a huge like fat guy.

628
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: Okay, Jenny Gary Spelling, Jenny Garth, Heatherlocklear, Shannon Doherty, Alyssa Milano, charmed.

629
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: Milano is because he's so she At one point she

630
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: says the thing, She's like, you just tell it like

631
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: it is, and he's just like, oh, that's like she's

632
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: too dumb, like also because I don't tell like it is,

633
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm such a faker and like

634
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: I can't like keep this going. And he brings I

635
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: could see a Lissa Milano being like, you really tell

636
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: it like.

637
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: It is, right, Like I love your honesty.

638
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: That's her, and he brings her to his son hockey

639
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: games and staring Jenny Garth.

640
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: I just wanted to beat Jenny Garth. Let's go with

641
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Jenny garrandom so random.

642
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: She said it kid use like tapes, but by ninety

643
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: eight might have been over already done.

644
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, and but like all the teens

645
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: at his kid's hockey game are recognizing her, So it's like,

646
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: would they be recognizing the Campbell? I mean they would

647
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: where they be recognizing how they're Lockley or maybe not,

648
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: because that was kind of I think is too old,

649
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: too old, And like melrose Place was also like you

650
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: had to be an older team to watch it, not

651
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: a younger team.

652
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: Right, So it's like ninety eight.

653
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Dawson's Well, that's why I'm saying, like, was it Katie.

654
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: William or Michelle or Katie? Katie makes a lot of.

655
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: Sense, yeah, and like Katie is looking for like an

656
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: older man to like make her feel safe, safe family.

657
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: He also said that they were photographed in the post

658
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: together at one point, so I'm like, maybe we can

659
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: just look it up, right.

660
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 2: Dawson's Creek premier in ninety eight.

661
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

662
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to do some more deep diving on this.

663
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: We'll continue our investigation.

664
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: Drop your ideas in the comments about who you think.

665
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: But that really riles up Elena and she then is

666
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: like so fucking pissed at him, but they get back

667
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: together after that. He actually has this quote that is

668
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: so true. He said a couple always breaks up or

669
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: usually breaks.

670
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: Up when they finally get their dream home.

671
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: M yeah, unless you're Ellen and Porsche and Porsias has

672
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: an ankle monitoring on and she's not pready to leave,

673
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: and then you can just buy another house and make

674
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: that your dream house, you know.

675
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: Because he meets his first wife Lynn at working at

676
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: one fifth Ave, which he says also like started what

677
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: it was.

678
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Like to have a first down and didn't fIF that

679
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: become auto.

680
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah auto, but Tali's more where your actual

681
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: friend worked. Literally maxin friend worked when we first moved

682
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: to New York, and she would bring us home like

683
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: so much family meal Penney. Yeah, and that I guess

684
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: opened her world of you know, downtown New York food,

685
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: and honestly say with us because I feel like then

686
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: we like got to go to restaurants again. Some fucked

687
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: up so kind of did the same thing that did

688
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: for keeping.

689
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: Right, Like the one fifth was our like entry point

690
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: into like the glamorous world of like restaurants, food and

691
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: restaurants and artists and publishers and writers going to.

692
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: Restaurants over there.

693
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: And so at one fifth Ave is where his first

694
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: bad interaction happens with Maplethorpe and Patty Smith.

695
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he sees her reduce a waitress to tears,

696
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: yeah for not bringing bread.

697
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: Patty Smith is a huge bitch who's shocked.

698
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: Who is shocked, And it's like, the funny thing is

699
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: he also talks about Maplethorpe being still a bitch, but

700
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: less of a bitch, and he's like, actually, when he

701
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: had his leather jacket on.

702
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: He was more of a bitch.

703
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wait this It was like this costume that

704
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: he had on to be this you know, bad boy photographer,

705
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: and he was like and I saw it off.

706
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: Of him once and it was like he was totally

707
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: different and kind of.

708
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: Under He goes, although Maplethorpe with this tough boy leather

709
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: jacket image could be terseed with the service, he never

710
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: charged to belittle them the way Smith did. The only

711
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: time I saw Maplethorpe without his leather jacket, when the

712
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: restaurant's air conditioning broke down, he seemed strangely reduced and

713
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: like a policeman out of uniform, surprisingly ordinary looking. Maybe

714
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: it was coincidence, but without the leather jacket, he was

715
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: also friendly to the staff. I mean he's just like

716
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: making up this narrative, but I.

717
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, I think it's probably very true.

718
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: A little bit of truth to that. It's like, I'm

719
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: sure the difference between being nice to the staff and

720
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: like Keith's story and him not being nice is just

721
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: being like, oh, we have the check and just like

722
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: I'll take the check, you know what I mean.

723
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: It's like a pretty mean I think it's this classic

724
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: like downtown observation people have where it's like, you know,

725
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: maybe you see someone in Dime Square and you think

726
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: they're like so intimidating.

727
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: This isn't me, of course, I'm saying.

728
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: One, Oh, of course you've never been intimidated by anyone

729
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: in Dimes Square, which is actually.

730
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: I'm always like so intimidated by someone, and then it's

731
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: just like and then you see them in this other

732
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: context and you're kind of just like, oh right, you're

733
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: like actually normal, You're not like the king of Downtown,

734
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: or maybe you are, but you're not as scary as

735
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: I thought.

736
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like, you know, Keith has

737
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: this very like he's like intentionally iconoclastic. I guess it's

738
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: like he has this view of himself where he's just

739
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: like I'm such a rakish, I hate everyone. I'm like

740
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: an ugly, nasty man. I'm not having a fucking restaurant tour.

741
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: And like it's you know, and it's it is quick

742
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: to a joke, and you know, I think that's that's beautiful.

743
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: But you know because because he has this like working

744
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: class ship on his shoulder, right, and he's constantly referencing

745
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: the best not going upbringing, and how like he's never

746
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: felt at home in these settings and yet is so

747
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: clearly enamored with this world of a well and it's

748
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: like and is absolutely bragging about all of his relationships

749
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: within a winterur and like and also like dropping so

750
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: many it's like he'll be like he'll reference like you know,

751
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: we just we just like you know in this Camu novel.

752
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: Or no right, it's the classic proof that he has

753
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: now read and he collects art and he takes Limos

754
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: to see every year.

755
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: Right, and he's like, oh, you know, he's like personally

756
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: I love the Fovists and like, I mean abstract expressionism

757
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: not really for me. And you're like, okay, so like

758
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: that's not very working class and like he would maybe

759
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: admit that that's an affectation that he's doing like because

760
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: he has the chip on his shoulder. But like, there

761
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: also is I don't know, as much as like he

762
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: is honest about it, there is also this just like

763
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: kind of never ending performance of being just like I

764
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: actually am really pretentious and I'm pretending that I'm the

765
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: most salt of the earth person, you know.

766
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: Which is he couldn't be who he is.

767
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think if he was, you know, salt

768
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: of the earth, he couldn't create the most like popular restaurant,

769
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: literally the most popular restaurant in the.

770
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: Right because he wouldn't have the taste level.

771
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: Right if I made this quote about Anna Wintour when

772
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: he befriended her at One Fifth f So she came

773
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: in and order eggs benedict. That was her order every time,

774
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: which I think now has changed because I saw a

775
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: video now.

776
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: She why is she so obsessed with always having like

777
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: one because like her whole thing in like Devil Worre's

778
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: product has she only gets the steak and mashed potatoes.

779
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: Right, which is true, And I've heard actually it's not

780
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: even a steak, it's just a hamburger with no bun,

781
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: no bun. Although I made, so he's making He asked

782
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: the chef to make her eggs and they're like, fuck off, no,

783
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: like my services done, so he goes. Although I made

784
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: a hash and the eggs benedit, the incident itself had

785
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: rich consequences. The young woman was future Vogue and Earn

786
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 3: chief Anna Wintour, and despite coming from opposite ends of

787
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 3: the English class system, we became friends. Nothing romantic happened

788
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: between us, yet we'd often watch movies together in the afternoon, which,

789
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: outside of the bedroom, is the most intimate thing two

790
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: people can do at.

791
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: That time of day.

792
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: I love that line.

793
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: He has a lot of amazing, like just really really

794
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: brilliant observations that he just like drops with such authority.

795
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: I like, right. I love that when he said I'm

796
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: like many divorced fathers. I spent most of the time

797
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: I have with my kids in and around sports, just

798
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: like you have to have this like activity to do

799
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: with your driving, picking up, picking up.

800
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: Also, the day when Anna Wintour was just watching Taxi

801
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: Driver at a theeder on Houston with Keith at four pm.

802
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Because because New York City used to have theaters Bay

803
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: it used to have cinemas, it used to have everything.

804
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is why he's such a like figure

805
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: of our time. And like you know, we all like

806
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: he became like very famous, like the Instagram and then

807
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: like he does talk about his Instagram later on the

808
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: book and the whole James Corden thing, and like I

809
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: like that he admits to being so like thirsty for.

810
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: Likes, but like he was good.

811
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: He's such a retro fetishist and like, you know, there

812
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: is this real overlap with the whole like you know,

813
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: downtown New York City, like whether it's dimesquare reactionary or

814
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: it's just the whole general like trend of all like

815
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: restaurants and bars and everything being retrotinged. He is one

816
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: hundred percent of that moment and like he is like

817
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: he's still doing that and people are still fucking living

818
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: for it, and they're still just like I want to

819
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: red both on a martini. What a fucking photograph of

820
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: a nineteen forties boxer framed above that?

821
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: Like no, you talk like and I think, I mean

822
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: we've talked about this a lot, but it was like

823
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: the thirst for what the McNally universe creative.

824
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end, like coming out of the pandemic.

825
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: That is all people want it because they wanted state.

826
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: They wanted you know, vodka and red meat, you know,

827
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: and the excess and what he's created and leather jackets

828
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: and red booths and as he says, and.

829
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: Thin girls dancing, like let's say.

830
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: That because girls dancing within booths and part.

831
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: Of his like I'm photographing like women who've had kids

832
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: or whoever he describes like a woman not being thinn

833
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: like is because like what he really loves and what

834
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: like the whole world he's creating it is about like

835
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: thin girls dancing and it is it's like this more

836
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: like raventist you know America. Yeah, like fetishism, which.

837
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: We have to if we can now lead into talk

838
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: about a place I've never been of his. I think

839
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: it was closed before my time, Pravda.

840
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean the name Pravda alone.

841
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: It's like I so sex and the city time to

842
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: go to Pravda.

843
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: This was his like eastern block like themed bar and

844
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: soho that where he hired like sexy waitresses and it

845
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: was like so many like canisters flavored vodka. And I

846
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: looked at this old Pravda ad it just it brought

847
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: me back to being a teenager looking at ads. Yeah,

848
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: like absolute ads, being like I can't wait to move

849
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: to New York City. And it's like women's mouths laughing.

850
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: It's a joke, block letters women and heals and well.

851
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: When he describes meeting his second wife, Elena, who was

852
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: half Japanese, although she was born in awais Shoud grew

853
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: up be to Aska with her mother and three siblings.

854
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: And this was at the next time. I was two

855
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: weeks later at Pravda, a subterranean vodkabar.

856
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: I owned the phrase a subterranean subterranean.

857
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: It was raining heavily, the night in the place was

858
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: packed and steamy. I was helping they made her DC

859
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: customers and Elena walked in with some girlfriends. I took

860
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: a break and sat down with them. It's like, it's

861
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: the most sex in the city scene you could describe. Sorry, Alena,

862
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: she's half Japanese and so glamorous, and she's like you

863
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: can just picture this wearing this like sheath red dress,

864
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: little she dress, long, straight hair side inside, coming in

865
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: with all her girlfriends and their keels closed and they're laughing.

866
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: And it's like soaking wet outside and Carrie it's like

867
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: voice over comes in and being like there's only one

868
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: place to be on a rainy Saturday night, Pravda, the

869
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: downtown Russian themed.

870
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: Vodka he goes.

871
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: Just before closing time, the DJ played a Cat Stephens

872
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: song Moonshadow. Elina said she loved Cat Stevens because he

873
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: had such integrity to bring us closer, and said, I agreed, No.

874
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: He's such a cat.

875
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 3: But hearing his voice, that's funny, Like he actually does

876
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: sound kind of this is pretty stroke.

877
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: He does sound kind of gay, not just in like

878
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: a British people are gay way, but it is.

879
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: Like, so this brings us back to the guilty bottom

880
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: the post Catman do a guilty bottom.

881
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 3: And a lot of times he says in this book,

882
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: which I think is also true maybe of like a

883
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: middle aged bricking class man rose up in ranks, is

884
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: he's afraid of hanging out with men as a group

885
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: straight men.

886
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's very fearful of that.

887
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: And you know there's this hole there's which was a

888
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: famous Instagram post of his where there was a group

889
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: of you know, Wall Street traders who ordered the most

890
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: expensive bottle of wine, a bolts Us Bolt Boltzar.

891
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and this isn't the book, Yeah, this is

892
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: a yeah.

893
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: And then a couple who ordered the pino on the menu,

894
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: and the.

895
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: Couple saw the Wall Street guys getting their Chateau Child

896
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: like three decanted, and they were like, wait, can we

897
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: have ours decanted? And so they kind of has a joke,

898
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: and so they decanted their pino and then somehow the

899
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: it was it was switched, and so the Wall Street

900
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: guys get the cheap pino.

901
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: And they're swirling it being like the Tannins.

902
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: And then the and then the couple is swirling the

903
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Chateau muton Roth's Child, not realizing that it's like a

904
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars bottle of wine, and they're pretending to

905
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: be like, oh the tanni.

906
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: When actually and then so the you know, the waiter

907
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: realizes his mistake and calls Keith, and Keith comes down

908
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: to the restaurant. Keith is like, I was afraid of

909
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: even approaching.

910
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: The Wall Street traders, Yeah.

911
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: Because like I'm afraid of a group of men. Yeah,

912
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: and what do I do in this situation?

913
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: Do I tell the truth?

914
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: And he did he did because he was like, I

915
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: mean I think he realized like obviously he loved the

916
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of romance of like letting them believe it.

917
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: But I think he's so funny to kind of like

918
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 2: play a prank on these things.

919
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: If they found out, like they would be so mad

920
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: and it would be like such a liability. But I

921
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: really like this thing where he goes so knowing he's

922
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: talking about the couple. So when the actor like, they

923
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: fixed the mistake, so they then they give the the

924
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: rich guys like they open another bottle. So he's kind

925
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: of out two thousand dollars.

926
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: Right, but he's like it's worth it. And his also

927
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: his fear was that he didn't want to also embarrass

928
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: the trader.

929
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: Yes, so that they would have to admit. But then

930
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: of course they all immediately a like, oh I knew

931
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't a rothschild. But then he goes talking about

932
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: the couple. So the couple just gets to keep drinking

933
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: the fancy wine that they accidentally open for them, knowing

934
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: they were drinking expensive wine for real. They switched from

935
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: acting out drinking expensive wine in jest to acting out

936
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: in earnest, which was a pity in ways I couldn't explain,

937
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: which is.

938
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: That such an amazing sentence it's a he's kind of

939
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: watching like how he has changed.

940
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: And yes, yes, yes, exactly, he's watching how he does

941
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: exactly it.

942
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: Right, it's crazy.

943
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: It's like he's being like, oh, but the romance of

944
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: making fun of rich people, it's all gone because now

945
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: you are literally just being there.

946
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, oh my god. That is brilliant, doctor Lily.

947
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: That that's exactly what it is. He's he's seeing his

948
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: own selling out or is it cashing in? He would say,

949
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: there's a difference that is there, and that is the

950
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: end of part one of our Key McNally episode. Stay

951
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: tuned for next week when we discuss chillers, Minetta Tavern,

952
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: the rules of service at Balthasar Class, analysis of salvage

953
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: workers versus antique store owners. Keith McNally is an anti

954
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: woke icon, the deep rift between Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket

955
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: and mythologizing the past, which is something we love to

956
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: do here. On the thought. To hear that episode, which

957
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: will be out next Wednesday, quit to patroon dot com

958
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: slash tvc the pod where you also get new episodes

959
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: every Friday. There's another one this Friday too, so it's

960
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of content