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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura. Alright, let's do it live on a first

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Speaker 1: Friday Miracle edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily. I am merely bow.

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Speaker 1: He is the voice of your Cleveland Browns. The great

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Speaker 1: Jim Donovan joining me on the program here for the

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Speaker 1: next two hours. And we've got a lot to get

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Speaker 1: to because we're gonna have a defensive coordinator in here

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Speaker 1: this afternoon. What a day. Huh, What a day. That

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Speaker 1: didn't take long. I know, I give them a lot

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Speaker 1: and I think they needed to because the marketplace gets

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Speaker 1: get filled Jim, and it's interesting. I'll share this I

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Speaker 1: shared with you off air, and I'll share this story

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get to a bigger point. So yesterday convalescing,

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Speaker 1: And the guy asked me directly. He goes, well, what

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Speaker 1: about Jim Schwartz And I said, no, you don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Two hours later, Jim Schwartz is hired, to which you said, well,

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Speaker 1: I've known Jim Schwartz for a long time and there

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Speaker 1: all started for Jim Schwartz. You know, brilliant guy Georgetown educated.

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Speaker 1: And so the phil Savages, Eric Mangini, and Jim Schwartz

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Speaker 1: bow but their life and their style of life in

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Speaker 1: me to freedom guys. They're not loud and boisterous our

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Speaker 1: get in. He's going to invade that, you know, across

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and make a play. And you know,

431
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Speaker 1: there's just not a belief there yet. And you and

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Speaker 1: you're right, the rubber has met the road in a

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Speaker 1: lot of these cases. It's now time, and it feels

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Speaker 1: like they're all kind of on that. You know, you

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Speaker 1: think about togy I, Elliott Winfrey obviously just going into

436
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Speaker 1: his second year, UM. And then and then obviously Bell

437
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Speaker 1: just going into a second Woods going into a second,

438
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Speaker 1: Schwartz going into a fourth. Third, it's third year. UM.

439
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Speaker 1: But I mean these guys were mid round draft picks

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Speaker 1: and in order, look, you've got a couple of things

441
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Speaker 1: where you're building a roster that to happen, you gotta

442
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Speaker 1: hit on the ones. You gotta hit on the twos,

443
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Speaker 1: and you gotta sort of hit on the mids exactly.

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Speaker 1: Some of them have to be guys that you can

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Speaker 1: count on. Otherwise roster building is tough. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's why this is a tricky year. If you bring

447
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Speaker 1: it back to the Schwartz defense, UM, and this wouldn't

448
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: matter if we hired Jim Schwartz or Brian Dable or

449
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Speaker 1: not Brian Dable, Brian Flores, whoever it may be, it

450
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Speaker 1: didn't matter. You got to find a defensive end opposite Miles.

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Speaker 1: You've got to find a big time d tackle. And

452
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Speaker 1: if you want to hope that Winfrey and togy I

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Speaker 1: and Elliott or one of those guys goes, you've gotta

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Speaker 1: have somebody with them. So that's two big deals got

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Speaker 1: to be sorted out. You will not pick until forty

456
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Speaker 1: two in the draft. Now you've got some cap space,

457
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Speaker 1: not a ton, but you got some. With the rollover situation,

458
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Speaker 1: you could create some more John Johnson so that you're

459
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Speaker 1: gonna have ways to move. You can always been Massaw

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Speaker 1: is the cap. But Andrew Barry has got a very

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Speaker 1: big next month on his on his plate, no doubt

462
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Speaker 1: about it. I agree, and um, when you take a

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Speaker 1: look at that, um and the defense, and you start

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Speaker 1: up front, and we haven't even addressed the second line

465
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Speaker 1: of that, which will be the linebacker. And remember they have,

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Speaker 1: they had and and presently have they had a very

467
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Speaker 1: certain style of linebacker that they wanted to play with.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't know if that's the linebacker he wants

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Speaker 1: to play with, which will be another interesting part of it.

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Speaker 1: What I do think he's gonna like is our corners,

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Speaker 1: and he is a he is as you mentioned when

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Speaker 1: we came back from break, he is kind of a

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Speaker 1: basic guy. And we're just very good at the basics.

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Speaker 1: And if you're very good at the basics, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: easy to understand it. You just win. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a man for man guy out of it. I think

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Speaker 1: they like to play man and I think our guys

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Speaker 1: are good playing that, you know, and I think they'll

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Speaker 1: be fine. Now the safety situation has to be probably

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Speaker 1: addressed and has to be fixed. But our corners, I

481
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Speaker 1: think will fit well with what he wants to do.

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Speaker 1: If he's walking in to a good situation with a

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Speaker 1: surplus in one position group, I would think it would

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Speaker 1: be our corners. I would agree with you as you

485
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Speaker 1: were saying that. I just was thinking to myself, like

486
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Speaker 1: from a defensive wish list, standpoint um, and you think

487
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Speaker 1: about the following and then let's let's rank and see

488
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Speaker 1: where they would be. Defensive tackle, defensive end. I think

489
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Speaker 1: you might need a thumper linebacker, right, I think you

490
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Speaker 1: might need a deep center safety because Delpot wants to

491
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Speaker 1: sneak in and he showed that he's dang good at

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Speaker 1: that you might need think. I think that's when he arrived,

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Speaker 1: When he arrived at the line of scrimmage. You're right.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like the days when Jabrol Peppers was

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Speaker 1: here and Greg Williams kept him way back. He was

496
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Speaker 1: playing in Willoughby the first year, and then they brought

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Speaker 1: him in and he looked like a different player. You know,

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Speaker 1: both about the linebacker thing. That's what stood out. Unfortunately,

499
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Speaker 1: when Phillips got hurt and Jok got hurt, Um and

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Speaker 1: Taki Taki went into the middle and really played well

501
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Speaker 1: until he got hurt. I mean really, I thought he

502
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Speaker 1: really played well and he just popped And you said

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Speaker 1: to yourself, well, why why is he popping? Well, first

504
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Speaker 1: of all, physically, he's able to do it. He's a

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Speaker 1: big guy. And then rag Ling came in and played well,

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Speaker 1: and then they had the other kid come in and

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Speaker 1: play well. And you know, I thought that all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, when they went with the more standard physically

509
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Speaker 1: build linebackers, they played better. So that will be interesting

510
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Speaker 1: to see what kind of linebackers he wants here. Yeah,

511
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: and Anthony Walker is a guy who until he got hurt,

512
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Speaker 1: was playing at an incredible level, but the injury happened there.

513
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: Jacob Phillis is another guy that's one of them you

514
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Speaker 1: talked about those projects that was drafted. When he's healthy,

515
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Speaker 1: he's been good. He just hasn't been healthy and it's

516
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: been a lot of years of that. I agree with

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Speaker 1: you on Talkie. He came into his own. Um. That

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Speaker 1: will be the checklist though, I think it will be

519
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Speaker 1: in some order defensive tackle and opposite Miles a linebacker

520
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: who can because they're gonna play the wide nine. The

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Speaker 1: ends are gonna be out wide. They're gonna trying to

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Speaker 1: get around the edge. That's what it's gonna be. And

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Speaker 1: sure sometimes you can move Miles in on passing downs,

524
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Speaker 1: but primarily that's where he feasts out there, so you

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Speaker 1: keep him out there. And then I do think they

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Speaker 1: need a center fielder. Yeah. Both they have hit. You know,

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Speaker 1: we mentioned a lot of names about projects that really

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Speaker 1: haven't popped yet, and some of them are because they're

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Speaker 1: their infants. Okay, in the NFL standard, but I think

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Speaker 1: they have hit. And you're right, you get you have

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Speaker 1: to hit the ones and you want to have those

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Speaker 1: middle ones hit. But boy, they hit in the sixth

533
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Speaker 1: round with Donovan People's shirt and so that's that's a

534
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: big thing to do. Um And I think they really

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Speaker 1: hit with the kid Emerson at Car. I mean, he

536
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Speaker 1: is a big, physical corner that I think any coordinator

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Speaker 1: would love nowadays in the NFL size, a physicality and

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00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: an ability to get in there. You know, Kevin always

539
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: talks about we have to be sticky in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: Emerson was I think the stickiest. Denzel Ward has a

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Speaker 1: timing that is impeccable at times. He can commit and

542
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: really time a play and break the ball up that way.

543
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Speaker 1: And and he doesn't shun away from physicality. Emerson plays

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Speaker 1: you physically the entire game. I mean, he really does.

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Speaker 1: He had a fantastic game against Tampa. He had a

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Speaker 1: great game against Cincinnati that night. He had a great

547
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Speaker 1: battle in Pittsburgh all day long against that rookie Pickens,

548
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Speaker 1: you know, all game long, anti Yante Johnson. He takes

549
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: on all comers. He can't wait for the challenge. Yeah,

550
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got that dog in him, like he

551
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: can't wait to do that. You know. He's one of

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Speaker 1: those guys, uh that. And I remember having we were

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Speaker 1: out on the on the training camp field and you'd

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Speaker 1: you'd come by and we were chatting with you here

555
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Speaker 1: on the program, and and he was one of those

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Speaker 1: guys that you just looked out there and you just went, now,

557
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Speaker 1: who's that again. You just there's a certain type to

558
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: him that it appealed. And I do think you're right,

559
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Speaker 1: and we're talking about all the things that we need,

560
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Speaker 1: and I do think it's right to talk about the

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Speaker 1: people who will thrive in this UM. Obviously, I think

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Speaker 1: Miles will thrive in this. Miles and thrive in anything.

563
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: Those three corners will thrive in this. Denzel stays healthy,

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Speaker 1: News Emerson, they will thrive, and I think Delpot will

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00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: thrive in this UM. I think all of those guys,

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Speaker 1: their best is going to be ahead. Because one of

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Speaker 1: the things with early in the season, especially UM, some

568
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: of the confusion that happened in that back end, and

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Speaker 1: Delpot was involved in some of that, and Denzel was

570
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: involved in some of that. That's done. I think that

571
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: stuff has got to be done here. I think schwartzill

572
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: demand that that stuff is done, and I think everyone

573
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: gets on the same page from that standpoint. But I

574
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: think when we talk about let's remember this guy is

575
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: one of the best in the business at what he does.

576
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: He saw the pieces that were here and said, I

577
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: like that, I like the opportunity there. So while there

578
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: are boxes that need to be checked, the talent that

579
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: is here can really be incubated under his defense. Yeah,

580
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: and he was the first guy they went to UM normally,

581
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: that's a very very good sign. I think they were

582
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Speaker 1: very prepared. I give them a lot of credit. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I know it's tough. I have to tell you

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Speaker 1: when I watched Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski the day

585
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Speaker 1: that they had to come down after the season was

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Speaker 1: over and they had to announce the make it a

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Speaker 1: Fish that Joe Woods was relieved of his duties. I

588
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: think they wore a real pained look on their face

589
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: that day because they're both wonderful guys, okay, and Joe

590
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Woods is a good guy too, and that was a

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Speaker 1: very difficult thing for them to do. They hadn't really

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00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: had to do that. I mean, the staff had been together.

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00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: Kevin's first time head coach Channel. You know, he had

594
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: welcomed guys on to his staff, but he hadn't had

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00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: to fire a guy off his staff. So that that's

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00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: a new step for them, and I think that was

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00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: tough for them, um, and they wore that. But I

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Speaker 1: give them a lot of credit. They were very prepared

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Speaker 1: for this thing because they had a list that they

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Speaker 1: wanted to go out and do the interview process right away,

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Speaker 1: and they got that done and they you know, I

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Speaker 1: really believe they got the guy that they wanted. I'll

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00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: say this for this regime, they are prepared they have

604
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Speaker 1: done the homework on now the how they execute it all,

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00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: but they know where they're going and they were very

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Speaker 1: determined on this and they got the guy that they

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00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: wanted uh in, Jim Schwartz, and certainly boxes to be checked,

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Speaker 1: but a lot to like about it. His press conference

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Speaker 1: should be in about an hour from now. We will

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Speaker 1: carry that for you live here on Cleveland Brown's Daily.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next our reactions to Super wild Card weekend.

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Speaker 1: of days as we head into the divisional round, we'll

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Speaker 1: the great Jim Donovan, the Voice of the Browns. The

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Speaker 1: first example of what that comes to your mind historically

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Speaker 1: from it happened in Jacksonville on Saturday night. You got

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Speaker 1: a kid throw four picks, five turnovers at half and

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Speaker 1: just somehow sorts it out. Yeah. The only thing I

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Speaker 1: can think of, um, was boy, I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: both the only time I can think of something like that.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying here in general, like the go ahead? Well,

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Speaker 1: the night that Baker Mayfield came in and one on

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Speaker 1: that Thursday night, Tyrod Taylor had started and and you

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Speaker 1: know he left with a concussion. But before that, I

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Speaker 1: mean he was terrible. I mean, and everything was going wrong.

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Speaker 1: And if you remember going into the stadium that night,

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Speaker 1: people said, if we're ever going to win this is

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be it. And if we lose this one,

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Speaker 1: we're never going to win. Um. And then Baker came

641
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Speaker 1: in and completely turned it around and electrified the place. Um.

642
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: But I can't I can't remember a quarterback having as

643
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: bad as start as that was to the to the

644
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: point where you're tuning the game out. It's over right.

645
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I will say this. When we went down there in

646
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: August for the first preseason game of the year, I

647
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: I looked at the Jaguars and I said, good for them. Yeah,

648
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, Doug Peterson's here. He's gonna bring an NFL

649
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: mentality here. And good for Trevor Lawrence because God knows

650
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: he needs it after what happened the year before that.

651
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: But you know, they'll make some nice steps this year.

652
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna win about four games, but a playoff team.

653
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I just can't believe what what Doug Peterson has done there.

654
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they brought in some I think

655
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: they really did it through free agency, and they got

656
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: e t n Back. He remember he lost his his

657
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: rookie year. Um, but but I have to tell you

658
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: he's done an amazing job. That is an amazing story

659
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: down there. Doesn't and there are two steps from being

660
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: the well you want to go way back. You're right,

661
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Sean con If he gets Wembley, he tried by exactly

662
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: who knows they would be the the London Jaguars. Yeah,

663
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: and give credit we you rarely give credit to ownership

664
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: when you you know a lot of times they get

665
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: the brunt of it, and don't get a lot of

666
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: credit for the things to do right, not that there

667
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: was a necessarily a choice in the matter, but shot

668
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: Kan saying I'm out on Urban Meyer, I've seen enough.

669
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm out. He was deservedly so justified absolutely,

670
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: but did not let that thing play its course. Play

671
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: the course, got out of it, got an adult in

672
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: the room who understood the NFL, and saved a kid

673
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: who is that most people thought was a generational player

674
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: coming out of Clemson and frankly looked like it in

675
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: the second half on Saturday. Jim the mental toughness. Four

676
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: picks to bounce back from that and and lift up.

677
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Normally you would throw four picks and you go to

678
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: somebody else right down out of there. I mean, um.

679
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: The other thing is um about that is that um

680
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: he had played so poorly in his rookie year, and

681
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: understandably so, um because of what was going on around him,

682
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: that really he fell off the radar. Now part that

683
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: is because he's in Jacksonville. But second of all, people

684
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: are saying, I mean this is this is not good.

685
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not the real deal. After all, he had

686
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: really fallen off the map. People were starting to wonder

687
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: about him. I mean, what is he going to be?

688
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: And you can believe in that because you have so

689
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: many great quarterbacks. I mean, you know, and you have

690
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: all and they're all in the a f C. I mean,

691
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: You've got Momes and you have Alan, you got Borrow,

692
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: and you have all these guys playing well, and all

693
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he is an afterthought and now he's

694
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, he's where we were a couple of years ago.

695
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: He's where Baker Mayfield was after beating the Steelers and

696
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: then going into Kansas City. Um, but that do you think?

697
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Because I do. Doug Peterson took a look at that

698
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: situation done in Jacksonville and said, okay, you know he's

699
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: kind of out of the He was out of the

700
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: league right for you know, he had a family situation

701
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: with a brother that was very ill. He lost his

702
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: brother and you know, they have to put themselves emotionally

703
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: back together after they get fired. But he didn't just

704
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: leap at the job. Ikey surmise, I think I got

705
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: a quarterback here and I have a hungry owner. Um,

706
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't have a great fan base. That's not a

707
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: great fan based on there. I mean they love Georgia,

708
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: Florida State, Florida to more than they love the Jaguars. Okay,

709
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: these are not the Jaguars of Tom Coughlin, Tony Boselli,

710
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: Mark Brunel, those guys. All right, there's a much different group. No,

711
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: I was down there. Um, I was in Tallahassee. We

712
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: covered Jacksonville a lot. It is a college football market, Um. Absolutely,

713
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: it's more the Florida Georgia cocktail party. They would kill

714
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: a Florida State every float over there. They would love it. Um.

715
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: It's a it's a smaller market. It's a huge city

716
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: land wise, but in terms of they were banking on,

717
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, people from Orlando coming up and it you know,

718
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: it just hadn't happen. It's a it's a very small

719
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: fan base. That's that at times feels like it was betrayed,

720
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: even though they've had a ton of success, because they

721
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: really have. They played NFC championship games, They've had a

722
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: ton of success over the last twenty five years that

723
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: they've been a franchise there. I think that to your

724
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: point on Peterson, and this is why I was always

725
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: dubious for Sean Payton going to the Chargers even if

726
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: it became available. I think if you're a head coach

727
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now, I'm looking at two things,

728
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: ownership and quarterback. Absolutely, Do I have a guy at quarterback?

729
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: And do I have ownership who will help me circumvent

730
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: the cap with with guaranteed money? Do I have an

731
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: ownership who's willing to spend. If I have those two things,

732
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: then I got a fighting shot. And I think you're right.

733
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: I think he looked at Jacksonville and said, I believe

734
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: in that kid, and I know that Sean Khan's going

735
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: to spend. He's willing to spend what it takes to

736
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: be successful. So yeah, I think that's what you're looking at.

737
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: And I think when you talk about Sean Payton, he's

738
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: interviewing for jobs all over the place. By the way,

739
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: whenever that happens, they got to come up with compensation

740
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: from New Orleans that's adequate. But he when he didn't

741
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: he say he believes, you know, he kind of lays

742
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: it out to any of the suitors for him. Listen,

743
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna ask for a mid first round pick.

744
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what I think, that's what they're looking

745
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: at her. I've heard him say that, Jim. But at

746
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: the same time, he's undercutting his future, Like I would

747
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: think if I were Sean Payton and I wanted to coach,

748
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: part of me wonders if he just wants to stick

749
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: in media for another year and he's using this to

750
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: keep his na mind. Media can be a good gig

751
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: for a couple of years until you find the right spot. Um,

752
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: if you were going to any of these jobs that

753
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: are out here, why would you undercut your own future

754
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: by giving up a one for yourself? You know? Like

755
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I think if I were him, I would go to

756
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: New Orleans and say, look, Katrina Breeze, save the franchise. Maybe, yeah,

757
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: you absolutely, very very very very competitive. Probably should have

758
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: been in a couple of other Super Bowls. I mean definitely,

759
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: right the one that they got jobbed out of that

760
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: they you know, you know, and then the Vikings went

761
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: in and beat them. You know over time that day

762
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: was at the Rams that got away with it past interference, right,

763
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely probably should have been in at least

764
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: two more Super Bowls after that. But I mean they're

765
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: in NFC Championship games. I mean, he made them incredibly

766
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: competitive and one of the one of the flag bearing

767
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: teams in the NFC. I mean, certainly a team every

768
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: year you would say, hey, New Orleans could win the NFC. UM,

769
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: but at the job that Doug Peterson has done, it's

770
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: unbelievable and really the staple for them, it's going to

771
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: be Trevor Lawrence. But it's been the defense. Don't you

772
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: think that the way they've played, and that defense has

773
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: played incredibly well. Ye and to the surprise of nobody, uh,

774
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: at least not to anybody on this show. We talked

775
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: about all the time the Spanno's family was not going

776
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: to pay Brandon Stally not to coach, so he's back.

777
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: Offensive changes happened, but nobody in the head coaching, so

778
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: he will stick around there. I think the other big headliner,

779
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: I think everything else when is served. Maybe Buffalo was

780
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: a little closer by Miami than people thought. Um, and

781
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: I think Baltimore played since and Eddie tougher than people thought.

782
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: But third time in a division, I think that one

783
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: was a little more justifiable. Um. Probably the well not probably,

784
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: no question, based on the fact that thirty million people

785
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: watched it was incredible. Was you and I know a

786
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: little bit about people watching, and that number is a

787
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: thirty point six million. UM. The NFL, with this Super

788
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: wild Card weekend and giving the Monday night game to it,

789
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: has extended it and it has made it even greater

790
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: because you're putting together Saturday, Sunday and now into a

791
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: Monday game with a glamour matchup at least going in

792
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: right that you have Brady in the Bucks, but you

793
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: have the Cowboys, um, and everything that they bring to

794
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: the table, whether they play at night or in the morning.

795
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna bring it automatically to you, does it?

796
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: So we went through this, I want to get back

797
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: to the Brady thing is saying, but you brought up

798
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. So they had four of the top five

799
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: broadcasts this year on the NFL or the Dallas Cowboys. UM.

800
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys really since ninety five have not played

801
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: a meaningful game. In January, I think they got maybe two.

802
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Well they didn't want a road playoff games since then,

803
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: so I don't know. It's been at home, no correct,

804
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: So I don't even know if they've been to an

805
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: NFC championship game in that time. They've been largely irrelevant

806
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: since nine when they want it. Yeah, and yet they

807
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: still deliver. That Isn't that stunning? It is? I mean,

808
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: and that's why the America's Team all of it. It's real, man.

809
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: You have them, so you've got to have them on Thanksgiving. Okay,

810
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna you gotta have the Lions. I get it,

811
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: it's history, but you gotta have the Cowboys in that

812
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: four o'clock for thirty hole. And then I think when

813
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: these networks go a bidding for these games, all of them, um,

814
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you want to have them, you gotta get them. And

815
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: I think probably you know, with the still the sort

816
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: of rigid alignment that you know, Fox has a certain

817
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: amount of teams, the NFC, CBS gets the a f C.

818
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: You know, Sunday Night gets a premier pick, Monday Night

819
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: now getting a better pick. But I think Fox having

820
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: the Cowboys pretty much under their wing, they fight like

821
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: how to make sure that they don't lose them to

822
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: another to another network or to NBC in a flex situation.

823
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: And that goes I mean, God, oh, mndy, that goes

824
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: back fifty years. That's tex shram America's team hole in

825
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: the ceilings so God can watch. I mean, that's that's

826
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: a long time time where that's been, you know, in

827
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: our culture with all of that, and it's the seeds

828
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: of that are still bearing fruit all these years. You know,

829
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: bo I was really worried about Cincinnati. Um, I didn't

830
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: think they played well. I didn't think and I think

831
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: they have offensive line trouble. So that offensive line that

832
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: they had fixed, um now is banged up. I mean,

833
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: and you wonder is it gonna be okay now for

834
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: this weekend because it struggled in that game. It goes

835
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: back to to have to beat a team twice in

836
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: a week is brutal. And Browns fans out there, if

837
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: you're listening, you can remember it didn't happen here. It

838
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: didn't work out well for the Browns. The Browns in

839
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: a famous game, played the Oilers down at the Old

840
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: Stadium on the last Sunday turned out to be a

841
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: snow squall Sunday afternoon and they're losing by four teen points.

842
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: Don Strock ends up coming off Durrel and you're a

843
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: golf guy, I think they called him. He was literally

844
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: on the golf course. He had a tan vow that

845
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: would put that would make George Hamilton's look Pale. Okay.

846
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: They called him up and said, hey, can come in.

847
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: You probably would play, but can you commit. Jesse went, yeah, sure,

848
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: I'll come up. He ends up playing because Mike Pegel

849
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: gets hurt. Everybody else has heard Danielson was hurt coz

850
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: I was hurt. They're down fourteen points to Warren Moon

851
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: and they have to win to get in the Browns. Two.

852
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: They come back in a blinding snowstorm with Don Struck

853
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: leading them, and they get in to the point where

854
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: they write a song about Don Struck immediately after the game,

855
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: called Struck around the Clock. Okay, now he goes. The

856
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: next Saturday, they are hosting the Oilers again. These are

857
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: the Houston Oilers. Okay, they're hosting them with Jerry Glanville.

858
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: And now they've blown the game on the on the

859
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: Sunday before, So six days later they're back in Cleveland

860
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve to play the Bronze again, and the

861
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: Bronze lose in that game. Marty Schottenheimer's last game as

862
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Browns Ernest Biner's last game

863
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: as a brown he committed to um un sportsmanlike conduct

864
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: penalties in the game. This was in the wake of

865
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: his fumber from before, and he ended up getting traded

866
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: then and it was and it was you just said, well,

867
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna win. They have to win. No, they couldn't.

868
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: It was really hard for them to do that. And

869
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: I that was going through my mind watching it before.

870
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard raised nine yards with that play. What a play?

871
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: What a play? And a guy who Sam Hubbard? What guy?

872
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: A lacrosse commit to Notre Dame, one of the best

873
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: lacrosse players in the country. Urban sees him in a

874
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: gym class playing dodgeball. This is a true story, and

875
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: says who's that? Says, who's that guy? They go, it's

876
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard. He plays a cross plays safety on the

877
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: football team. Urban's like, well, I need him. They get

878
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: him to Columbus didn't even know what to do with him.

879
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: I used to host the coaches shows with Urban at

880
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: that time. He would talk about Sam Hubbard every single

881
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: week because he would do this as like throwing a

882
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: bone to a kid who wasn't getting the time that

883
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: they would expect. And they would talk. Everybody's like, I

884
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: don't know what we're gonna do with him. They had

885
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: him at safety, they had him at outside linebacker, tight end.

886
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: They finally settled on on defensive end. They got him in.

887
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: Mickey Maratty, the strength coach, said let's put some weight

888
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: on him. See we make him a d end. Worked

889
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: out pretty good. But he was one of the premier

890
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: lacrosse players in the country. Is gonna go play lacrosse

891
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: and was identified at a in a gym class playing

892
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 1: dodgeball by Urban Um. But yeah, I mean, that's it's

893
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: tough to do that. And I think in Cincinnati they

894
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: were just survive in advance. Let's get us to Buffa.

895
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: Both of those teams really banged up on their offensive lines.

896
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: Buffaloes in the middle of their not great either. I

897
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, Um, as a man has been

898
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: around a long time, did you sense in Brady's press

899
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: conference that was good bye Tampa, Because that's what I thought.

900
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: I think it's good by Tampa or good bye NFL.

901
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: Now I think it's good bye Tampa. And I think

902
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: as time goes on, when he does commit again to play,

903
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: I think you're going to find out that, Um, that

904
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: it was a tough year for him. I mean went

905
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: through a divorce and public divorce. He left the team,

906
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: and he was a total mess. Left the team in

907
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: training camp because obviously there were fires at home to

908
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: try and put out. Then he came back to the team. Um,

909
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, he never really played well. He looked very

910
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: gaunt all year and he looked he had no even

911
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: the day here Bo, he had no zing to him.

912
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: And he's a fiery guy out on the field. I mean,

913
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: he's fiery with his teammates, he's fiery with his coaches

914
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: if he doesn't feel like he's getting what he needs

915
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: as far as plays coming into him. And there was

916
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: none of that there. Now, you know, still capable of

917
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: beating the Browns that day, and it was a magnificent

918
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: day for the Browns to come back and win that game.

919
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: But I just noticed that all year long, he just

920
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: didn't have it. He didn't have that szing. Now I

921
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: think he will rejuvenate and you know, end up somewhere else.

922
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: Could he go to Vegas, you know and reunite with him.

923
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: I know, you know he's always dreamed of being the

924
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: quarterback of the San Francisco forty niners because he was

925
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: a Joe Montana, you know, believer and idolizer. I don't know,

926
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't think I think it was

927
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: good by Tampa. That's how I read I. Yeah, I

928
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: think it was. I read it the same way, all right.

929
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: Coming up here in the final hour of the program,

930
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: we'll take a look at the Browns offense, take a

931
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: look back on this season. That was Sir Jim's eyes

932
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: as he called them all of course. And then Jim

933
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: Schwartz at the bottom of the hour, his first press

934
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: conference here from Barria. Will have that for you live

935
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: you listen to Cleveland Brown's Daily, brought to you by

936
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,440
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937
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,760
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938
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939
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,560
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940
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,080
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941
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: gonna be introduced here in Barrilla in about twenty five

942
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: minutes or so, or they're about we will have that

943
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: press conference for you here live on Cleveland Brown's Daily.

944
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: Here with the voice of the Cleveland Browns, a great

945
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Jim Donovan joining me here in studio before we get

946
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: to uh, the offense and some of the questions we've

947
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: talked about the speed receiver that needs to be addressed,

948
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: and perhaps whatever the running back room's gonna look, Deshaun

949
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: Watson and all of that. Um. When you when you

950
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: look back on the season, UM, it's a complicated. Look

951
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: it was. It was complicated for us all season long

952
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: on this show. I'm sure it was complicated for you

953
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: calling the games. What what resonates to you when you

954
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: think about this season? Well, I think it's um it Obviously,

955
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: it had a lot of hurdles to get over before

956
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: we got to Carolina, which was the opening game of

957
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: the season, and that was because of the Deshaun Watson

958
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: story which ended up in our laps and on our

959
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: ledger because of the move they made. Um. I think

960
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: what happened is I look back on it and I

961
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: think there's the sameness to the year before this past

962
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: year too, UM, and that is that we are in

963
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: search of the five game winning streak we have not

964
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: been able to put together. We have not been able

965
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: to stack wins in either one of these years. And

966
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: the math tells you that if your destination is to

967
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, either by winning the division, we're

968
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: getting an is a wild card. You have to have

969
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: a run at some point. All of these teams that

970
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: played this weekend and the other you know, the teams

971
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: that are going to get involved coming up, you know,

972
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and and over in the NFC two and in

973
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: the in the a f C Kansas City. Every every

974
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: one of those teams, including the teams that just got

975
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: in the last weekend, they had a run. You know,

976
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: even Jacksonville one like seven games or something like that.

977
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: The Giants. We were unable to do that. Now we

978
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: had points where you said, okay, here we go. And

979
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: when the schedule comes out every year we all look

980
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: at that and play the schedule game and say, okay,

981
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: there's a cluster of games right here, maybe three in

982
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: a row at home, and two of them are in

983
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: the division. That's when we got to be ready to

984
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: go to make a run, and we have been unable

985
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: to do that. We are in search of the five

986
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: game winning streak. So we are really in search of

987
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: playing consistent winning football. Now we have flashes, and both

988
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: years it's kind of come at the expense of the Bengals.

989
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: The wind you know, a couple of years ago in Cincinnati,

990
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: a very complete win, but the next week you went

991
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: out and got blown out in New England. The win

992
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati this year one of the most perfect games

993
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: that you'll see the Browns play, certainly defensively, one of

994
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: the most amazing tackling performances I can remember the Browns having.

995
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: You could put a teaching tape together on the way

996
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: they played defensively and how they tackled in that game.

997
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: But they were unable then to do anything on the

998
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: other side of that. So if you can't do that,

999
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think you're gonna get there. You have

1000
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: to come up with the ability to stack wins. The

1001
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: really good teams do it, and then the teams that

1002
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: are kind of surprising but get in. If you trace

1003
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: their their season, they have put together that run, whether

1004
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the season or early in

1005
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: the season or right at the end of the year,

1006
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: which is difficult to do at the end of the year.

1007
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: And I just see that we have not been able

1008
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: to do that. So then it breaks down into a

1009
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: week by week process and what happens every week, you

1010
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: know what gets away from us. I think you're I

1011
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: think it's it's contagious, right, Yeah, you show up and

1012
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: this is what we do where the Cleveland Browns, we

1013
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: show up, We take care of business, We get a

1014
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: win onto the next and one might be prettier than

1015
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: the next one. But even in the year they made

1016
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Okay, Kevin's first year, I gotta remember, they

1017
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: got off to a really good start despite losing the

1018
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: first game to Baltimore. They went on a little run

1019
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: then and if they did and remember now, he did not,

1020
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: and they did not lose two in a row at

1021
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: any point that season. Okay, and that's important too, But

1022
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: we have not been able to do that the last

1023
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: two years, and we were not able to do it

1024
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: certainly this year. Some of the more um, Yeah, since

1025
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't you know, don't need to tear the band

1026
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: aid off again. But sometimes when you're trying to figure

1027
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: out what you need to fix in the next year,

1028
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: you gotta look back on some of the things that

1029
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: went wrong. And this seems like a crazy question to ask,

1030
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: and there might not even be the correct answer to it,

1031
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: but I always come back to, um, can you teach clutch? Yeah?

1032
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you do it? Is it

1033
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: something that's earned. Is it something that's learned, Is it

1034
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: something that you acquire over time? But we were anti clutch,

1035
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: and there were so many instances were just a little

1036
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: bit of clutch and you get that win, and just

1037
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: when the pressure was at its highest would fold in

1038
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: many instances, And how do you fix that in an

1039
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: off season? Yeah, I think what happened to was UM

1040
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: and it happened very early. Obviously, Now they get out

1041
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: of jail in the opening game against Carolina, Okay, and

1042
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: the thing everyone's gonna remember is, kid, you're kidding a

1043
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: fifty eight yard field goal, But remember they blew a

1044
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: pretty good lead before that, with all of those things

1045
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: that we talked about earlier. Oh, I thought you covered them.

1046
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: I did know you. I had him now I thought

1047
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: you had him. So that was week one. But as

1048
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned, a band aid situation, we put a band

1049
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: aid over that UM and we were just ecstatic because

1050
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: we finally won the opening game, which we hadn't done

1051
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: since two thousand four and the kid hit a field

1052
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: goal of fifty eight yards and it was one of

1053
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: the moments of the of the opening weekend. But then

1054
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: the next week it happened again and we paid the

1055
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: ultimate price and lost that game. Then I think it's

1056
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: in your mind, can we finish? And you're right, there

1057
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: was you needed clutch. Clutch was recovering the onside kick.

1058
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: Never mind the seventy five yard pass play. Okay, just

1059
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: recover the onside kick and and then we're out of there.

1060
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, clutches. Okay, we didn't recover the onside kick.

1061
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: Let's make a play defensively, let's get Flacco, or let's

1062
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: stop the rookie receiver from Ohio State. You know, let's

1063
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: stop him. But we weren't able to do that. And

1064
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: then I think, bo it builds that can we finish?

1065
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: You know, are you know all right? The Charger game?

1066
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Can we finish that game? You know? Alright? We got

1067
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: the ball back because of a brain freeze by them

1068
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: going on fourth down? Idiotic, let's make them pay. We

1069
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: got to a point where we looked like we could

1070
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: get a sizeable field goal, a makeuple field goal to

1071
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: do it in the sex Suddenly we're in you know,

1072
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: he's kicking like a sixty yard attempt. So I think

1073
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: that clutch thing. You're right, I mean, I think when

1074
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: you do it and then you finally are doing it, more.

1075
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: It's kind of like muscle memory, you know, but it is.

1076
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: But also on the other side, if you're not doing it,

1077
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: it will continue until you put your foot on the

1078
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: break and stop it. Yeah, and do you see what

1079
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: I totally see and you try to You've been trying

1080
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: to put your head around that, and how do you

1081
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: I think winning is just the only thing that does it. Like,

1082
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: you just have to start winning those type of games

1083
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: and you have to, you know. And that's where I

1084
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: think Watson can come into play next year is you

1085
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: look over and see him now fully formed, with a

1086
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: full offseason going. We got four, We got a chance.

1087
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: That's that's the hope. That's why he got what he got.

1088
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: That's why you gave up to get him. I I

1089
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: go back to it's interesting A lot of people point

1090
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: to the Jets as as the game where it felt like,

1091
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, to me it was New England here. Yeah,

1092
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: because I have to tell you, I you going into

1093
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: that game and you're playing Bailey Zappy and you know

1094
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: they're good, and they're very they were good, and they

1095
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: were very good defensively that day. But still you're at

1096
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: home and you just have to think that you're gonna

1097
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: take care of matters now, even though the game gets

1098
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: off to it the worst kind of start through an

1099
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: early pick, like on the second play of the game,

1100
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: and but you recover. You have plenty of time to

1101
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: recover from that. But they never could recover. And um, yeah,

1102
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: that that New England game was that to me. I

1103
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of thought going into that week, they're gonna beat

1104
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, they'll beat these guys, and they'll

1105
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: definitely beat this quarterback. Um, and they didn't in New

1106
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: England came in really and played the perfect game against them,

1107
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: the perfect road game to commit and win. Now that's

1108
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: the other thing. But we're gonna have to learn how

1109
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: to win on the road, and we're gonna have to

1110
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: learn how to go over to Pittsburgh and win. We're

1111
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to go into Baltimore and learn how to win.

1112
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be loud, and it's gonna be dicey,

1113
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: and you can have a lead and it's gonna be challenged,

1114
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: but you have to dig in and be able to

1115
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: do that. I think a year ago Cincinnati grew up

1116
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: in Baltimore mid season. They went over there. It was

1117
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: a tight first half and they might have been losing

1118
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: at halftime at M and T, and then they came

1119
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: out and blew them out in the second half of

1120
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: that game, and off they went. I couldn't agree with

1121
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: you more. Um if in the New it felt like

1122
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: Belichick at the answers to the Test, and in the

1123
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: New England game, here is what it quite frankly felt like.

1124
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: But I think I think your point is is the

1125
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: right one, which brings us to one of the questions

1126
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: give A wants to ask, which is what you need

1127
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: to see from Deshaun Watson in the second season. Well,

1128
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: what you need to see is what Joe Burrow gives Cincinnati. Uh,

1129
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: That's that's what you need to see. You need to

1130
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: see Deshaun Watson elevate a franchise up now. We talked

1131
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: to Joe about this. He's staying here this offseason, Jim,

1132
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: Joe couldn't remember a Brown's quarterback staying in town in

1133
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: the off season since Brian Hoyer and Brian's from here. Um,

1134
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: So other than that they flee, they leave. It's tough.

1135
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: It's gray in the winters here. We get it. But

1136
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: Deshaun's sticking around. I think he understands missing seven hundred

1137
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: days was a real thing. There's a lot of rust

1138
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: to that. Um, I'm finally getting to play something that

1139
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: mental lot to me was taken away for a couple

1140
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: of years. Um. But that's job one, is it not?

1141
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: And we can talk about defensive tackle and fast receivers

1142
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: and all of this, you need to see consistently. Deshaun

1143
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: Watson looked like the type of player that he was

1144
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: in Houston, the type of player that he gave all

1145
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: that money. He is the least of my worries. And

1146
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to him.

1147
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: His media day was typically Thursday every week, and he

1148
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: didn't duck anything. And and I'm not talking about his

1149
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: life situation. I am talking about his football situation. He

1150
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: totally understands and and doesn't hide behind it why he

1151
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: was brought here and paid that very rich sum to win.

1152
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: And it's not just to win a few games. I

1153
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: mean he's here to win, win the division, win in

1154
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs, win a super Bowl. And he comes right

1155
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: out and says it. I mean, he you know, he

1156
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: says that. I mean, hey, listen, I mean you know

1157
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: I was brought here to win and we gotta I

1158
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 1: gotta get this team to the super Bowl. And you know, Paul,

1159
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: there were times where I felt really good with him,

1160
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: and I felt really good the day they beat Baltimore

1161
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: here to three, and how he guided them. You know,

1162
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: he managed the clock, he managed the offense, He got

1163
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: them into the right play, he got Chubb, he got Hunt,

1164
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: he ran the clock out. Even in the brutal game

1165
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve where he had a rough patch and

1166
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: and they're losing the last drive, he was very good.

1167
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: Now they weren't very good with him, you know, and

1168
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: Joe who should have caught a ball on the goal line.

1169
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: I think Donovan Peoples Jones had a better shot than

1170
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people give him credit for in the

1171
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: left corner of the end zone. But he got them

1172
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: down the field. This is crunch time. This is the

1173
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: gotta have it drive. And that's what I think you're

1174
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: talking about. That's clutch and I think he all the

1175
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: mechanics are there, it's just sharpening those up. He is

1176
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: the least of my worries. He is a guy who

1177
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: you could make a pretty clear and concise and I

1178
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: think accurate argument that he is the most important uh

1179
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: from a from in terms of what he did at

1180
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: university college football player the last ten or fifteen years.

1181
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he put Clemson on a map. He play

1182
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: Obama in two straight national title games. He was the

1183
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: best player in both of those games. He was He

1184
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: got drafted to Houston to save a franchise. He did that,

1185
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: made them a playoff team, became one of the best

1186
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL, did all of those things. So

1187
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: he's had this, he said, massive on him really his

1188
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: whole playing career. And if you go back to yeah,

1189
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: and if you go back to his last year in

1190
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: Houston and they were terrible, yeah, okay, and and we

1191
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: knocked them off that that year. But he was unbelievable

1192
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: that year. His I mean that was those were his

1193
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: best numbers, weren't they that year. I mean, you know,

1194
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: he have seven interceptions, He had like thirty seven touchdowns,

1195
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, in the season. I mean, he was unbelievable

1196
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: that year. That was in a four win season where

1197
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: they had no running backs. I mean against US, the

1198
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: only running back they had was Duke Johnson, you know,

1199
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: in that in that game that day. Other than that

1200
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: on a on a bad weather day, he he was

1201
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: single handedly keeping them in the game to a point

1202
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: where they could have won the game. I mean, you know,

1203
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: they're they're right there with us that day, and we

1204
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: were certainly the better team in that game. But that

1205
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: was in a four win year. I mean, you know,

1206
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: he didn't mail it in. So I think he realizes

1207
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: and he has identified perfectly why he is here. He

1208
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: is here to win, so and if it means staying

1209
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: here during the off season. I think he was very

1210
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: very serious in his last meeting with the media after

1211
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh game the next day when he said, Hey, listen,

1212
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be with Kevin a lot and we're gonna

1213
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: figure this whole thing out. The offense. We can talk

1214
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: about speed receiver. Uh, and that's a must. Yeah, that's

1215
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: the number one checklist. Um. But him and Kevin this

1216
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: offseason the path there, that's the operation, and they're both

1217
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: too smart and too committed for it not to work. True.

1218
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: All right, coming up here shortly, we will have Jim

1219
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: Schwartz at the podium. You listen to Cleveland Brown's Daily

1220
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: brought to you by Bally Bet coming soon, Ohio on

1221
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:57,000
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1223
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: a Hi, Jiff Schwartz gonna be introduced here in Briene

1224
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: about five minutes or so. The pedigree here, the resume here,

1225
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Special defensive assistant with the Titans last year.

1226
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: Five years stretch in Philly that includes a Super Bowl championship.

1227
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: Sorry for your Boston native, Mr Donovan. Of course one

1228
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: of those ones being or that Super Bowl over over

1229
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: speaking of that was twenty That was so when they

1230
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: get that Ben for a lot of therapy. I'm on

1231
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: the other end of that. Well, you have six super

1232
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: Bowls that allow you to sleep at night, So that helps. Uh,

1233
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: Buffalo coordinator in fourteen, Lions head coach nine to thirteen.

1234
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: But uh, in terms of his reputation, of course, we

1235
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: talked about his his start here as a pro in

1236
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: college scout from ninety five, but really it's in Tennessee

1237
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: where he really blossoms oh one to oh eight, some

1238
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: of those really successful teams, uh, and really great defenses

1239
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: under Jeff Fisher. So, um, you're just asked Tim Couch, oh,

1240
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: first start, I think really her series Javon Curse killed

1241
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: him safety to nothing. Tennessee. Boy, that was a squad, right,

1242
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Curse and Haynes Wordsworth. Yeah, they had all Eddie George

1243
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: could run an offensively McNair. Yeah, really good team. So

1244
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: he's on that team that played for a Super Bowl.

1245
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: He was there for twelve years before moving on. All

1246
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: sorts of talented players there. You mentioned Haynesworth and Javon

1247
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: Curse and Kevin Carter was another one on the defensive line.

1248
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: Didn't be Bullock and they had all of those guys. Yeah,

1249
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: they did. Absolutely. Yeah, Keith Bullock on that defense. So um,

1250
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: and that is a pattern of his defenses. It's really

1251
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: been the defensive line play. We mentioned that in in

1252
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: Detroit as well, with the Dominan sux and defensive he

1253
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: had there. You mentioned Fletcher Cox and those Eagles defenses. Uh,

1254
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: he demands a lot on that Philadelphia one. It was

1255
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox and they got the guy Hardgraves from Pittsburgh

1256
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: and those two in the inside were murder. Yeah. Um.

1257
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: Marcel Darius, as you mentioned, I mean as a ton.

1258
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: It's a ton. If you're a Browns fan out there

1259
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: listening today, in a couple of minutes, what do you

1260
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: want to hear from Jim Schwartz. I think you want

1261
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: to hear, um, you know, what he wants to do defensively,

1262
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: what maybe he'll you know, kind of let you in

1263
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: on what he wants to do. I mean he's kind

1264
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: of a fourth She's a pretty basic guy. I mean,

1265
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's meating potatoes, but meat and potatoes

1266
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: might not be bad here. Um, But I think he's

1267
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: a basic four three guy man coverage on the outside.

1268
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: You know, let your players put them in. You know,

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01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get that. I'm gonna put my good

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01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: players in a position to make plays. But I think

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01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: intensity is what you want to hear. You know, I

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: mentioned accountability, and I think, yeah, intensity, accountability, those type

1273
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: of things from Jim Schwartz. It feels like they're in

1274
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: his nature. I think every time he's been here, you

1275
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: outlined earlier in the show his time here under Belichick

1276
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: from ninety five where they were in that kind of

1277
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: coaching incubator. Um. And I imagine that this will be

1278
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: an emotional a scoffers for him in that standpoint of

1279
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: of coming full circle. Yeah, because he's kind of been

1280
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: on the outside, you know, a couple of times, you know,

1281
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: in their plans are in their in their scope of

1282
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: when they were going to make hires here and and

1283
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: now he's finally come back. Yeah, and it we references

1284
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: to Belichick earlier in the show. Uh, there is a

1285
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: reverence for people who have been here. Once you get here,

1286
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: it's infectious, the history, all of it. You can feel it.

1287
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: The building drips of it, like you can feel that

1288
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: you're walking on streets that Otto Graham walked or Jim

1289
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: Brown or Dante Lavelli or whoever, Like it's all there.

1290
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: It's I'm in the present. Um And So I think

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01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: this will be a special one for for Jim Schwartz. Uh.

1292
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: The job is a big one because this is a

1293
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: ready made now football team that needs to contend in

1294
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,959
Speaker 1: an a f C that is an absolute snake pit. Yeah,

1295
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, Bowe. And I think that's why maybe where

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01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: they went with a guy like Jim Schwartz who knows

1297
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: how to get it done, and he is a now guy.

1298
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's ready to go. Sure you can

1299
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: find this the next young defensive mind out there. Um

1300
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: and and I think they interview candidates that fall into

1301
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: that kind of category. That Hey, they probably around the

1302
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: climb to the point where they should be a coordinator.

1303
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: But this thing is ready to go. The window has

1304
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: been open here now and you don't want it to

1305
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: close on you. And you've found that your defense hasn't

1306
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: performed with the way it needs to be and the

1307
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: way you want it to be, and so you gotta

1308
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: do something about it, and it has to happen right away. Yeah,

1309
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: it's a it's a crazy thing because it's a win now,

1310
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: but it's all it's also a win now in a

1311
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: shark pool, because shark tank, if you will, Because the

1312
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: a f C is loaded and so defensively, you're gonna

1313
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: have to come up with if you're gonna claim the

1314
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: ultimate prize, which Jim Schwartz has done in Philly, you're

1315
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to take care of Patrick Mahomes and Joe

1316
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: Burrow in your division twice a year, and who knows

1317
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in Baltimore, Josh Allen and Buffalo. You're

1318
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: still gonna have Herbert out West. Like, the a f

1319
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: C has never been as talented or as deep as

1320
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: it is right now, so you're jumping into it both

1321
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: feed in. Yeah, and of course, you don't know what's

1322
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen in the draft with these you know, with

1323
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: these other guys coming in. There's no doubt about that.

1324
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: Um So, I mean you look at the situation that

1325
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: he has here right now, and I think that, you know,

1326
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: this is a perfect spot. And I think that they

1327
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: really did a great job. I go back to the search.

1328
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they were ready to go with the guys

1329
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: that they wanted to interview, and um, you know, tactically

1330
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: went right after it and then got the higher because really, folks,

1331
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: it's it will get fast and furious here in a

1332
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: couple of days as soon as somebody you know gets

1333
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: the green light and they start filling out staffs with

1334
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: head coaches who then need to fill out their staff. Um,

1335
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: that will be the other interesting thing about does does

1336
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: he bring staff with him? I believe we ever answer

1337
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: that we're coming quickly. Here. There's a coach, Kevin Stefanski

1338
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: walking down Jim Schwartz as well some other luminaries as

1339
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: they head down, uh to the to the podium to

1340
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: have the press conference that will be here in just

1341
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. Jim looking great, really good ship.

1342
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to just bring this up. You know, in

1343
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: the last two years when he went back to Tennessee,

1344
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: he has dried. Now not a coordinator there, okay, but

1345
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: he was a set extra eyes that Mike for Abel

1346
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: trusted with his defense, and statistically they've really improved. Now

1347
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: they are problems at the end of the year. Were

1348
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: offensive and that's certainly at the quarterback position, but everywhere

1349
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: he goes. I mean, the defense is not the problem.

1350
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: It is sometimes the highlight, the reason why you're in

1351
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: a big game, and that is It's interesting because that

1352
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: all goes back to that Belichick tree, right, anythink about

1353
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: Vrabel and who can I trust Schwartz was with Belichick

1354
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, Like all of that stuff starts to

1355
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: add up. So so this this is an exciting time

1356
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: to be a Browns fan and for this defense to

1357
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: get sorted out in short order. Jim Schwartz will be

1358
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: in charge of that. He will be at the podium here.

1359
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: I promise you I would thinking about ten seconds as

1360
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: he just walked by. This is like the State of

1361
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: the Union where the where the guy comes to the

1362
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: door and goes the president. Let's say we're like David

1363
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: Brinkley up really I feel like we're on the west wind.

1364
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: It is a great show, by the way, the best,

1365
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: the best. It's really up there. Here's Jim Schwartz, respect

1366
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: for we did not know each other personally really before

1367
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: this process, but we have a lot of mutual friends,

1368
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: and I've admired his career from afar has done it

1369
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: at a high level at multiple stops. Uh, and just

1370
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: pleased that that he's We really believe he's the guy

1371
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: to lead our defense and we're excited to add him

1372
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: to our staff, excited ad him to the organization and

1373
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: the wealth of knowledge that he can bring to this group,

1374
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: including myself. So excited to announce coach Swartz and the

1375
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: Floora's Coach Swartz is now. M You're gonna have to

1376
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: give me just a quarter of a second here when

1377
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: I see Dino's picture on the back wall right there.

1378
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: Um yeah, um Dino. Dino set up me from buying

1379
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: my first ever sofa in the in the NFL, I

1380
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: finally got on full time with the with the Browns,

1381
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: and I was trying to furnish an apartment other than

1382
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: stuff that was at the dumpster and um um, and

1383
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: he he sent me up with um what was old

1384
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: glue fingers. Tell Lavell had a at a furniture shop

1385
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: and uh, I went down and and got a sofa

1386
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: that somebody had like ordered and then didn't like when

1387
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: they took delivery and it was sitting. He sold it

1388
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: to me for nothing. But uh yeah, Dino, Dino meant

1389
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: a lot to me or in my career. He used

1390
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: to sit out and practice and talk to him and

1391
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: it's awesome to see his name up here and um

1392
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: and a come full circle that way. So anyway, sorry,

1393
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: sorry for that personal note. I'm Tom with us from

1394
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: the a P. Welcome back, Thank you. Um yeah, what

1395
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: did those few years here with the Browns um do

1396
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: in terms of kind of a stepping stone into your

1397
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: into your NFL career? Well, I had coached in college

1398
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: for four years before and I, um, you know, I

1399
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: grew up in Baltimore. I was a blue collar kid.

1400
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: My parents didn't go to college. We were NFL fans,

1401
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: we weren't college football fans. So in the back of

1402
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: my mind I always wanted, always aspired to the NFL,

1403
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: but trying to get in was you know, different story.

1404
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: Um you know, so, so being able to get here,

1405
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: I started off as an unpaid intern, and I was

1406
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: UM driving people to the airport, and I was getting

1407
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: cigarettes for secretaries and UM following papers. But I also

1408
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: got to be a fly on the wall and listen

1409
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: to Bill Belichick and Nick Saban and Scott O'Brien and

1410
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: Kirk Ference and gosh, you name it. UM just just unbelievable.

1411
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: And I was young. I didn't have a wife, I

1412
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: didn't have a family. I lived here at the office.

1413
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: And um, even though I have a degree from Georgetown,

1414
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: I got my degree in football ology, I mean PhD

1415
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: and football ology from from the Browns and from Bill Belichick,

1416
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 1: and it was just awesome. I was in mainly in scouting,

1417
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: but we wore a lot of different hats, and UM,

1418
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: as long as you had a good work ethic and

1419
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: you were willing to learn, and you could keep your

1420
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: mouth shut, you could learn an awful lot. And I

1421
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: was pretty good at all three of those things. UM.

1422
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: It really made the difference. It It took me a

1423
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: long time. It probably took me ten years in the

1424
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: NFL to become an overnight sensation. UM. But the years

1425
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: that I spent here, UM was was the basis for

1426
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: everything that happened to me later. And you know, whether

1427
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: it was my exposure to football operations or scouting, or

1428
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, talking about Dino and Diana with media, or

1429
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, anything else. Um, you know, it all went

1430
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: back to the three years that I spent in this building.

1431
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: The building has changed a whole lot, but um, you know,

1432
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: I think the ghost of all stayed here. What did

1433
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: you get introduced to Belichick that interview? Yeah, Steve did.

1434
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: I was at Colgate. I was coaching linebackers as a

1435
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: limited earnings coach. UM and one of our coaches that

1436
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: coached at Navy, and UM, he knew I wanted to

1437
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: get into the NFL. And we were at the coach's

1438
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 1: convention one year and Steve Belichick was there and he

1439
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: introduced me to Steve and m Steve introduced me to

1440
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,520
Speaker 1: Bill and at last said about you know, a conversation

1441
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: with Bill would ask about five seconds high, Nice to

1442
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: meet you. And that was it. And then maybe four

1443
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: or five months later, I got a call asked me

1444
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: to come in for an unpaid internship. And you know,

1445
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: that was sort of, I say, my biggest break. But

1446
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to be in that position and

1447
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: fortunate to be in a building that had so much talent.

1448
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know it at the time that

1449
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 1: you know Nick Saban's going to go on to be

1450
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,919
Speaker 1: maybe the greatest ever college football coach, and Bill Belichick

1451
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: going to be maybe the greatest ever NFL football coach,

1452
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: and you know, just all those other guys. But again,

1453
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: if you had a sharp pencil and kept your mouth shut,

1454
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: kept your ears open, you could learn an awful lot

1455
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: and and I did so. I had really no relationship

1456
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: with anybody other than Steve, who said, um, you know

1457
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: a guy worked with it. Navy recommended this guy. I

1458
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: think you should talk to him. And you know that's

1459
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: that was my connection three years. Ever pay you while

1460
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: you were here? Oh yeah, yeah. My first year I

1461
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: work for free lived at the end of the airport

1462
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: runway over there, so I couldn't sleep in and I

1463
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: couldn't go to bed too soon. I just got used

1464
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: to trains again last night, blow blow that blow that

1465
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: horn after over every crossing, I gotta get I gotta

1466
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: get used to out again. Um. But it was a

1467
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: great It was a great experience for a young coach,

1468
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: a young professional in the NFL. Um you know your

1469
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: your focus again. It was like graduical was like a

1470
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: PhD program. Every waking moment was about the club and

1471
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: just um, you know that. I don't think I've ever

1472
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: told Nick this story, but when when Nick went off

1473
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: to be the head coach at Michigan State, UM, I

1474
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: helped him pack up his office and back then you

1475
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: were packing these big, thick playbooks and all this different stuff.

1476
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: Oney way, Um, Nick left one of his binders. I

1477
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: think it was maybe from the ninety two season. He

1478
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: left after the ninety four season, I think, and it

1479
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 1: had all and Nick was meticulous, just fabulous coach and

1480
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: preparation basically all sixteen games and his notes from beginning

1481
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: in a week to end of the week, and his

1482
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: postgame notes, and it was all right. Then he had

1483
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: just left it behind because you know he had the

1484
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: other two years. I grabbed that and had it and

1485
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: and I tell you what, I can't tell you how

1486
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: much I referred to that over my years, particularly my

1487
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: first years as a coordinator and just trying to copy

1488
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: the process that Nick went through, and um, you know,

1489
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: looked and see the way it wasn't it didn't matter

1490
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: what opponent it was or what schemes. It was more

1491
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: about the process and um, yeah, so I had that

1492
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: question get started. I forget, I'm sorry I can oh. Yeah, yeah.

1493
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: So my first year I made nothing. Um and then yeah,

1494
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: I think I think by the time I was done,

1495
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: I was up to about twenty thousand a year, So

1496
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 1: I was I was feeling good about myself. I was

1497
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: feeling good. I was feeling good about myself at the end. Yeah. Um,

1498
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: my name's Nate alarc I'm with the Akron began journal. Um,

1499
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: I worked with mile of riding out for a long

1500
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like so many of us. Do you know her?

1501
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: One of five? She would kill me if I didn't

1502
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: ask you about this. So one of her favorite NFL

1503
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: stories is, um, you talking about Bill in the Turkey Sandwich. Oh,

1504
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: God has to come up um that at all? And uh,

1505
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: Bill doesn't like that story. So um yeah, it's for you,

1506
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: for you guys that don't know. So I get hired

1507
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: as an unpaid interns mini camp and mini campus like

1508
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: Tuesday through Friday, but sort of the old thing back

1509
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: then was on Friday. Um, on Thursday you called the

1510
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: team up and said, hey, look, if we have a

1511
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: good practice today, you guys are off tomorrow. And then

1512
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 1: they all go out and give it the heroic effort,

1513
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: and everybody be going, well, my plane ticket, I had

1514
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: just been hired like a couple of days before, and

1515
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm picking up guys at the airport and shuttling them back,

1516
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: and I'm checking off names at launch and all that stuff.

1517
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: And my flight doesn't go back until, like, you know whatever,

1518
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: nine o'clock on Friday night. So it's a ghost down here.

1519
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: There is nobody here. This whole building is empty. Everybody's

1520
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: gone fishing for the summer. But I got nothing else

1521
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: to do, so I'm here. And back then they used

1522
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: to have kitchens that had food, and uh, you know,

1523
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: I sort of route through. It's the middle of the afternoon,

1524
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: and and I roote through and there's some turkey, and

1525
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: I'd make a turkey, nice little turkey sandwich, used the

1526
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: rest of the turkey, and I get my little crackers

1527
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: and have my drink. And I'm sitting there now. The

1528
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: whole day, I hadn't seen a soul. There was not

1529
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: one person in the building the entire day. It's just

1530
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: me put my little pictures up on my little cubicle area.

1531
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: I didn't even have a office. It was like desk

1532
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: and it just is, um, just as I'm biting into

1533
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: this turkey sandwich, incomes Bill and it was obvious he

1534
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: had been working the whole day, but he was holding

1535
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: up in his office and I'd say, and I barely

1536
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: even met him, I'm just having my turkey sandwich and

1537
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: and he's, you know, just gives you, you know, hey,

1538
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: how's going. Uh, you know, I'm fine, coach, you know something,

1539
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: I'm doing this And he goes opens a refrigerator and

1540
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: starts like opening the drawers and look and he looks

1541
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 1: over at me. He goes, how are you seeing the turkey?

1542
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, I just used the last of

1543
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: the coach and uh, you know, and he just sort

1544
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: of gives me this you know, this, this this bad

1545
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: look and just shakes his head and says something there's

1546
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: breadth and leaves. And I'm just like I called home afterwards.

1547
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, my flight arrives at nine thirty and

1548
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: I might not have a return flight after that, but

1549
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that it it. And the interesting part

1550
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: of that whole story was how how much attention to

1551
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: detail Bill had with everything that went on into the

1552
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: building and what his work ethic was everybody else was gone,

1553
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Bill could have been off to Nantucket

1554
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: the next day, but he was grinding out that next day,

1555
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: and um, it was important that you know, there was

1556
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: food in there for guys that her work and and

1557
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, all all that stuff was just you know,

1558
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, you you learn about cover two when you

1559
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: learn about blitz, and you learn about formation tendencies and

1560
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But just those those kind of things

1561
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: I've carried probably with me a little bit longer in

1562
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 1: my career. Every little thing that touches the team, every

1563
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: little thing you do matters, And a lot of times

1564
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: it's the work behind the scenes that means the most.

1565
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not you know, working where

1566
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: everybody can see. It's those times where you know where

1567
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: you're alone in your office and you don't think there's

1568
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: anybody else there. Um, you know, that's that's stuff. That's

1569
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: the stuff that makes a difference in the buildings. Since

1570
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: the end, Yeah, I've been back. I've been back a

1571
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: few times. Um it's changed quite a bit, obviously. Um,

1572
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: you know it changed changed. Um. I guess in ninety

1573
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: when the team come back two thousand nine, Um, it

1574
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 1: changed then it's changed a lot now. I mean that

1575
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: the outside thing looks to say and the footprint seems

1576
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: about the same. But I'm still you know tonight, I

1577
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: just I just got here last night, and um, probably tonight,

1578
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: about eight o'clock at night, when everybody's gone, I'm going

1579
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: to walk around the building probably a dozen times and

1580
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: try to figure figure my way around so I can

1581
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: get a little bit easy operation. It's a it's a

1582
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: great facility. I've been around a bunch of them. Um,

1583
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: it's a great facility. Makes it easy to be able

1584
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: to do your work as a coach, and it's done.

1585
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: It's um, it's it's really it's it's a tribute to ownership,

1586
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: to capital improvements they've made um for not just the coaches,

1587
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: but for the players. And I don't know about you guys,

1588
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: but it just seems like it's it's it's a good

1589
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: place to come to work, and it makes it easy

1590
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: to do your job. My job attractive to you? Why

1591
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: did you want to come out of what they you know,

1592
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: kind of described a sort of semi retirement. Yeah, well,

1593
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, had some health issues my thyroid.

1594
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: Not to bore you, guys, and probably maybe not for

1595
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: too much for um for prayer. But my thyroid went

1596
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: put a couple of years ago and it took it

1597
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: took the greater part about eighteen months to get my

1598
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: numbers to where they needed to be. And it's it's

1599
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: well controlled. But like I went through a year, I

1600
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: could couldn't sleep more than two hours. I would was

1601
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: either too hot or too cold. My poor wife, I'd

1602
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: freezerr out with the air condition and then walk around

1603
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: with a winter code on and you know the next day.

1604
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: And I had some eye surgeries because of some vision

1605
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: stuff due to it. But as soon as we got

1606
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: the number straight it's a little bit moving talking anyway, boring. Um.

1607
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,759
Speaker 1: Once I got that straightened out, Um, I just couldn't.

1608
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: I had one doctor tell me one time and said, like, look,

1609
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: I get really wicked headaches from watching film because I

1610
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: got some double vision. And his solution was, we don't

1611
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: watch so much film. And I could. I couldn't. Well,

1612
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't cheat the game, you know I could. I

1613
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: couldn't cheat the game. I couldn't give I couldn't give

1614
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: a substandard performance. It was it wasn't fair to be organization.

1615
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't fair to the players, It wasn't fair to

1616
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: the other guys on the coaching. It was a very

1617
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: difficult decision, but I'd step away, and you know, and

1618
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: and and the Titans and Mike Vrabel were very gracious

1619
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: to give me an opportunity to still contribute while I was,

1620
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, sort of dealing with that stuff. But you know,

1621
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: I feel good, I'm I'm ready to go again. UM

1622
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: attractive here. I think it always starts with ownership. I've

1623
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: seen a lot of different ownerships, but I appreciate hands

1624
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: on ownership. I appreciate owners that are that are willing

1625
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: to make um the improvement slash capital um improvements in

1626
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: order to be successful. I see that here, um, you know,

1627
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: and then you just start, you know. I had a

1628
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: little bit of a relationship with Andrew Barry Um from

1629
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and knew the way he thought and how smart

1630
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: he was and his long range vision. Um, you know,

1631
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: and when he was in Philly, I used in the

1632
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: back of my mind, I don't know that I ever

1633
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: told him this, it will probably be news to him,

1634
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: and always had in the back of my mind. You're like, man,

1635
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a guy I'd like to work

1636
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: with again. And that's sort of my idea of a GM,

1637
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, just unflappable, you know, the same all the time.

1638
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: Didn't get too high, didn't get to you know, us coaches,

1639
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: we can get emotional, you know, it's hard to wear

1640
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: a loss. Um, sometimes we get a little too high

1641
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: after a win. But that's not Andrew. I mean, he's

1642
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: straight down the middle, and I have a lot of

1643
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: respect for that consistency and things like that. And then

1644
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: and then with with Kevin, you know, I mean we

1645
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: have met each other over the years and going head

1646
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: to head a couple of times, but really the biggest

1647
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: my attraction with him was we came up the same

1648
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: way in the NFL. You know, he started from the

1649
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: bottom like I did and worked his way up incrementally

1650
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: over the time. And I have a lot of respect

1651
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: for that. I have a lot of guys that can

1652
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: persevere through some tough times and they don't feel like

1653
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: they're advancing as quick as other people are, but they

1654
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: just do the work, you know, they just do the

1655
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: work and get ready. And um, you know, when it

1656
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: came his time to be a coordinator, he shined and

1657
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: all that work paid off, and when he came head coach,

1658
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: he shined and all that hard work paid off. So

1659
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for that. And um,

1660
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: you know, I think if if any of those three

1661
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: hadn't been in place, maybe it wouldn't have been attractive.

1662
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: But those those three pieces made it a very attractive job,

1663
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, not just for me, but I think around

1664
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: the league didn't even get through three sex out of

1665
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: my Well, Um, we're gonna work real hard at it,

1666
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: and he's gonna play his part. Um. I've been very

1667
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: fortunate over my over my career to be blessed with

1668
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 1: some really good defensive linemen and we run a very

1669
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: d line friendly scheme that eliminates a lot of um

1670
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: conflict for those guys. And um, we we we were

1671
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: able to play guys off of that and we sort

1672
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: of let those guys go and be disruptive. And I

1673
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: know this, over the course of my career, I've I've

1674
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of offensive coaches. I've talked to

1675
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks over the years, and Um, the

1676
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: way you affect the game the most in this league

1677
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: is by pass rush. And you know it's hard to

1678
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: win in coverage. You know, the rules have changed and

1679
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: make it hard to put hands on guys, illegal contacts I,

1680
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, I C T, D H, you know, d

1681
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: P I, all those things. It's it's hard. And these guys,

1682
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: these wide receivers or freak shows. But um, you know

1683
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: you can still win one on one on pass rush,

1684
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: and um, a devastating pass rush goes a long way.

1685
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: You can create turnovers off the pass rush. And if

1686
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: you can rush with four, it allows your blitz game

1687
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: to be so much more effective because you start blitzing

1688
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: on your terms as opposed to on the offensive turns.

1689
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,759
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to blitz just to get pressure.

1690
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: You can blitz based on the situation, based on the personnel,

1691
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: as opposed to be enforced two blitz to get pressure.

1692
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: And you know, whether going back my first years in

1693
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: Tennessee of having Jaman Curse and Kevin Carter and then

1694
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: Haynesworth and Bandon Bosch and all those guys in between,

1695
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: and you know the guys I had in Detroit and Buffalo, man,

1696
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: we had a we had a crowd in Buffalo. You know,

1697
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: Philly just ended up having four double digit sackers. I

1698
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: think we would have if cayl william Carl Williams smissed

1699
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: I think three or four games with a high ankle. Um.

1700
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: He was like, we had three double digit sackers up front.

1701
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 1: We hardly ever had the blitz to get pressure. Um.

1702
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: You know, Philadelphia we based it the same way. So, um,

1703
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: we're gonna put a lot of emphasis on pass rush.

1704
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: And Miles is a guy. That is a guy you know. Um,

1705
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,839
Speaker 1: when I was when I was in Detroit, we always

1706
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: knew that every defensive plan started with how do we

1707
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: keep Calvin Johnson from taking this game over? Right? That

1708
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: was job one? How do we keep that? And then

1709
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: it allows you to play a different ways. And you know,

1710
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: you knew they were going to do stuff to take

1711
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,879
Speaker 1: him away, but you know, I think that every offense

1712
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: will play will probably start with that. How do we

1713
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: how do we neutralize models Garrett and how do we

1714
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: keep him from reckon this game? And it's it's my

1715
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: job to give him some answers and to be able

1716
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: to put some pieces scheme wise, in personnel wise, um,

1717
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: around him to allow him to be free and more productive.

1718
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: And when I say more productive, fourteen and a half, yeah, okay,

1719
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: well I stand corrected. Yeah that and and that that

1720
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: answers your question. The bar is set really high for

1721
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: a good reason. So the next position, Jim, what do

1722
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: you need out of linebackers body size? I mean, there's

1723
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: a lot made about the weight of some of these

1724
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: guys here. Do you need a bigger body linebacker room. Yeah,

1725
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: We've played with a lot of different style guys over

1726
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: the time. I think the things that make the most

1727
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: um difference when it comes to linebackers is instincts and

1728
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: communication ability and um ex blowsiveness. UM. I played with

1729
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: some guys that have been in the low two twenties

1730
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, David Long is outstanding two d fifteen pounds.

1731
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: You know that there have been plenty of guys in

1732
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: the NFL have played light. You know, go back to

1733
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: Derrick Brooks and you know, remember him coming out as

1734
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: he as safety as a linebacker and um, you know,

1735
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: but he just was a cobra and he could strike.

1736
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I've seen some two hundred fifty pound

1737
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: guys that that didn't have a physical presence on the field,

1738
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: and I've seen some guys in their two fifteen or

1739
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: two twenties that did. But I think it falls to

1740
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: the other things that comes from toughness and instincts and

1741
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: explosiveness and the ability to play fast and think quick.

1742
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: And I would say this, I've had got a lot

1743
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: of defenses over the years and since two thousand and one,

1744
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: and you know, some of them have been real good.

1745
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: Not all of them have. But the thing I've taken

1746
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: the most pride from is when when people say that

1747
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: we play fast and aggressive. Now, yeah, okay, I'm sitting

1748
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: up there. There's there's not one defensive coordinator it's gonna

1749
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: come up and say we want to play slow, slow

1750
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: and soft. You know, hey, look we're look, we're looking

1751
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: to be dumb, slow and soft. You know, everybody wants

1752
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: to be smart, fast, and and physical, but it just

1753
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. There's there's a way that you can facilitate that,

1754
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: and I've I've sort of learned that over the years.

1755
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: And you know, if if you see our linebackers here, um,

1756
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a good job, they're they're playing fast

1757
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: and physical and um, you know, there's not a lot

1758
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: of hesitation in their play. And when when that's all

1759
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: said and done, it doesn't matter if they're two hundred

1760
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: pounds or two fifty pounds let's not get above two fifty.

1761
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: Let's try to keep it. Let's try to keep it

1762
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: below that. And I actually best back with Cleveland dot Com.

1763
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about your staff and your

1764
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: philosophy when it comes to building a staff. What are

1765
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: you looking for and how do you book that? Well,

1766
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: it's not my staff, it's Kevin's staff, and and he's

1767
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: hired me to be the defense coordinator. Um, you know,

1768
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 1: so that's that's all I can really say. There. I've

1769
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: had over the years, I've had jobs like when I

1770
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: got hired in Philadelphia, UM as defense coordinator. I was

1771
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: the last guy hired, and I had never worked with

1772
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: any of the coaches before. We got to be pretty

1773
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: quickly and and and flipped that defense pretty quickly and

1774
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl the next year. Um, you know,

1775
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo was similar. UM. I've also had where I've had

1776
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: a lot of input and so I've done it a

1777
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. But you know, when it's all

1778
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: said and done, that's you know, that's that's that's Kevin's job,

1779
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: along with Andrew, along with the Haslem's. UM. There there

1780
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: are people that are making staff and decision decisions. Not me.

1781
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: My job I would say this like there is a

1782
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: there is a player component to coaching players. I think

1783
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good coaching coaches into what they're being asked

1784
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: to do and and how it fits in with what

1785
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: we're going to do. Um. I think I've developed that

1786
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: over the years. I wasn't always good at it. Was

1787
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: probably pretty crappy at it early, but you know, as

1788
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: as you do it for a while, you get good

1789
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: at um at that and and being able to coach

1790
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: the coaches and the what we we do and maybe

1791
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: it's a little different than they've done before. Um. You know,

1792
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: I think that I can I can bring that to

1793
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: the equation, but I'd let I'd let Kevin ask ask

1794
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: her or answer those other questions. How familiar with the

1795
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: defensive roster here? And how much research did you do

1796
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: prior to the interview? Yeah? A little bit. Um. You know,

1797
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: it happened pretty quickly after the season, so I probably

1798
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: didn't do as much, but I I looked at enough

1799
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: games I think that I had at least of a

1800
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: little opinion of of what happened. But um, you know,

1801
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: I was, I was in Tennessee last year. So we'll

1802
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: keep it. We'll keep an open mind. We'll keep an

1803
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: open slate and and um, you know, what we'll do

1804
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: and what players will play will really be dependent on

1805
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: how they do in the all season program and what

1806
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: they look like in O t a S and how

1807
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: we develop in training camp. It's not going to be

1808
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 1: based on what happened last year for a master com

1809
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: team news. I'm curious how you approach communication and accountability,

1810
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: especially when maybe there's conflict with the players who may

1811
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: not agree with philosophy or an angle you take. How

1812
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 1: do you view this well? And I think that all

1813
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: starts with trust, you know, and and players, I've said this,

1814
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: I've said this over the years. Players really don't care

1815
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: if you're young, old, if you're black, white, if you're

1816
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: a loud, if you're quiet. If you can help them,

1817
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: they listen. And if they know you're coming from an

1818
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: honest spot and you're telling them the truth, they might

1819
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: not like what you say, but um, but they'll take

1820
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: it because they know that you know, it's it's coming

1821
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: from a performance based and it's coming from the truth.

1822
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: So it's ablish and trust is his job one, um,

1823
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: you know. So so that's probably the biggest thing, um

1824
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: being able to being able to put things that they

1825
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: do in perspective, even historical perspective, and be able to say, hey,

1826
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 1: look this worked for this player in the in the past.

1827
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I think this can help um. You know. So I

1828
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: think that that kind of communication, um, you know, is

1829
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: important when it when it comes to you know, dealing

1830
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: with players. And and again it's stuff that you learned

1831
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 1: over the years. Um. You know, Um may rest in peace.

1832
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: But the guy I learned the most from and how

1833
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 1: to handle players and how to deal with players was

1834
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Gun through Cunningham and I worked with gunn Um. Gun

1835
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: was my linebacker coach when I was in Tennessee my

1836
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: first year as a coordinator, and you know, just watching

1837
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 1: him he had been a head coach, he had been

1838
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: a coordinator, and just watching the way that you know,

1839
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: he could just lay waste a guy and then turn

1840
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: around and walk off the field and be and be

1841
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: laughing and hugging the guy because it was all performance

1842
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: to Gun. You know, I had nothing to do with

1843
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know, knowing his wife or his kids.

1844
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: And the guys knew that, and they took a lot

1845
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: of uh they say, solace isn't the right word, but

1846
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: they took a lot of confidence in the fact that

1847
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: he was you know, it was it was business. You know,

1848
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 1: it didn't have any and he he wasn't you know,

1849
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't going to pull a punch because

1850
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: it was a favorite player, and he wasn't gonna be

1851
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: hard on a guy because you know, he maybe didn't

1852
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,480
Speaker 1: like the guy as much. You know, it was about performance,

1853
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: and um, just that way that that he had. I

1854
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: learned an awful I've learned a lot from guys over

1855
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: the years of just how to connect with guys and

1856
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: at this point in my career, but I probably spent

1857
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: more time doing that than actually, um, you know, doing schemes.

1858
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: You know, the scheme wise, there is probably not a

1859
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 1: whole lot that will do here that you know, um,

1860
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, high school coach probably couldn't draw up just

1861
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: as good. But that's not the secret sauce. The secret

1862
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: sauce is getting guys playing together and that accountability that

1863
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: goes into it. And um, I would say this, if

1864
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a good job, um, we'll hold our

1865
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: best players the most accountable. And if you start from

1866
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: that position, then everything else is gravy. But if you

1867
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: don't hold your best players most accountable. Then you can

1868
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: have some bad vibes and you know, different things can

1869
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: go on because you know they know, like, hey, you're

1870
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: coaching that guy because he's an undrafted You said that

1871
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: to him because he's an undrafted free agent as opposed to, uh,

1872
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: you know, a high first round draft pick or a

1873
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: high price free agent or a veteran player. Um, you know,

1874
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a good job here, Um you know

1875
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: it will will coach the will coach the undrafted free

1876
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: agent same way we do the the veteran player that's

1877
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: been the multiple Pro Bowls. And you know when the

1878
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: other players see you do that, um you know, I

1879
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: think it gives them confidence. And um you know, like

1880
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: I said, you hold your you hold your best players

1881
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: the most accountable. It also gives those guys a little

1882
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: bit of pride and knowing that, um you know, their

1883
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: coach the same way. I had a really good story. Um,

1884
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins is one of my favorite players I've ever coached. Um,

1885
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: smartest guy. I mean, he'd got a whole year without

1886
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: making a mistake. He could play seven different positions, and

1887
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: I used him as a sounding board on a lot

1888
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: of things, and um, you know, his information meant a lot,

1889
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: you know, his ears on the field, he could come

1890
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: off the field and say, hey, we're having trouble with that,

1891
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: or you know things that you know maybe you don't

1892
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: know because you're not out there, and just trusted him,

1893
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, so much and doing all those things. And

1894
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: we played a game one time. We're just coming off

1895
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and we played game down to Tampa

1896
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: and and he sort of cheated on a play earlier

1897
01:33:58,040 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: in the game, might have been the first play, and

1898
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: we game gave up a big play, sort of cheated

1899
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: out of post to try heat he played. I know

1900
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: what he saw and I know why he did it,

1901
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: but sort of went outside the scheme a little bit

1902
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: to cheat it and gave up a big play and

1903
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 1: sort of hung a corner out to dry. And you know,

1904
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: we don't show players up, and we don't we don't.

1905
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: You won't see this with with my guys. We went

1906
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 1: on played the next play. So anyway, so Monday or Tuesday,

1907
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 1: we're getting ready for our meeting. And I pulled him

1908
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: aside before because he was a veteran player, and I said,

1909
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, hey, Janks, like you know, I gotta get

1910
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: you for that play. You know, we're gonna watch it

1911
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: in front of the group. You know, I gotta get you.

1912
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 1: And he said, don't you dare treat me um like

1913
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: you would any other player. And that's a guy that, um,

1914
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, I had incredible respect for. And his attention

1915
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: to detail was meticulous, his work ethic was unbelievable, as character,

1916
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 1: everything about that guy was just one of my favorite

1917
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: guys I've ever I've ever coached. But to hear him

1918
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: say that and say, you know, I was just trying

1919
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: to give them heads up, like you, hey, look it's coming, man,

1920
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: it's coming. I gotta do it, you know, don't and

1921
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 1: and just hear him say like no, I wouldn't want

1922
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 1: it any other way. You get guys like that, you

1923
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: can coach the hell out of them, and you'll have

1924
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: good leadership and you'll have accountability and um, you know

1925
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: again if I if, if I do a good job,

1926
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: then you know you'll see stuff like that more. Researching

1927
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: here first year in Philadelphia, and you were trying to

1928
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: establish the culture and the way that you do things,

1929
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 1: it seems like they you know, pushed back a little

1930
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: bit or just really weren't maybe always ready for the

1931
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: stronger discipline that you brought. So just wondering do you

1932
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: have you learned anything since then to come in any

1933
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: differently and get the way of the land first? Or

1934
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: are you just who you are and you'll be yeah,

1935
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean I think the part of that is, I

1936
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: mean you do change with times? Do you find new

1937
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: ways to communicate? You learn from your mistakes. I'm sure

1938
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: articles you've written, you go back in and look at

1939
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: some of your articles and you probably went and you say, boy,

1940
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 1: I screwed that up. I do the same thing. You know,

1941
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,759
Speaker 1: you learn from your failure failure as a wicked teacher.

1942
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: You know it's a strong teacher. You don't learn in

1943
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: some mistakes you have to make yourself. So you know,

1944
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: every every your life is a cumulative whatever of the

1945
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: mistakes that you've made in the past. And again sometimes

1946
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,879
Speaker 1: it's it's easier to learn from mistakes. But but anyway,

1947
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: but but you also have to go with your fastball.

1948
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: You know, if if you're always trying to throw a

1949
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: junk and you guys, you guysn't find out I'm out

1950
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: had a lot of baseball analogies. But you know you've

1951
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: got a good fastball. Well, We'll trust it. Go bust

1952
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 1: them on the knuckles and make them hit ninety nine.

1953
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: Don't speed your bat up by throwing too many changeups.

1954
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: And part of it is being who you are and

1955
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: having the confidence to be who you are. And I

1956
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 1: think I've done that over the years. And I said,

1957
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: there's there's plenty of ways to um, you know, um

1958
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: um work around things and everything, but if you're if

1959
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: you're consistent, I think from a player to being a

1960
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 1: coach is a little bit like being a parent. You know,

1961
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: you have to be consistent. You have to. If you

1962
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: established rules, you have to enforce them. And and kids

1963
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: take a lot of um um their cues from that,

1964
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:20,759
Speaker 1: and I think players do too. And I've become less

1965
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: less reactionary over the years. I'm pretty good at um,

1966
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, keeping my eye on that that point on

1967
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: the horizon and just keeping the boat like right on

1968
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: that point, and you know, not paddling too hard on

1969
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: one side and going here and then going there, and

1970
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: then you're not making any progress. So I think I've

1971
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: improved that way over the years. I can still I

1972
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: can still, you know, I can still get after it,

1973
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: but um maybe in a different way than I have

1974
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: in the past the last couple of years. Maybe personally,

1975
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how to evolved you were with the

1976
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: defense in Tennessee. It's like, did you miss the so

1977
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: the action of being a coordinator during the game and

1978
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: that No, because you know, and I say this, I've

1979
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 1: enjoyed every role I've had um in football. Whether I

1980
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: was a graduate assistant or a position coach or unpaid intern,

1981
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: or the head coach or the defensive coordinator. I've enjoyed

1982
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: every bit of it. That's why I decided to make

1983
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: a career in football. It's because I enjoyed every little

1984
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 1: aspect about it. My role was different it. My My

1985
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: job was to be a good mentor. My job was

1986
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: to give an extra set of eyes. My job was

1987
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: to make suggestions and not have not be ruffled if

1988
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 1: they weren't acted on. My job was not to be

1989
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: the coordinator, but my job was to help the coordinator

1990
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: and help the position coaches and maybe say you know, hey,

1991
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 1: look you do it this way. I've had success doing

1992
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: it this way in the past, you might want to

1993
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: try this um. So you know, I think I was

1994
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: still able to make a contribution. I'm incredibly grateful to Uh,

1995
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 1: to Mike Vayable for giving me to trust to do that,

1996
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 1: and and to Shane for trusting me to do that.

1997
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 1: But they knew I didn't have any objective other than

1998
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: to help and to win. And you know, my job

1999
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: was to do a good job at the job they

2000
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 1: gave me, and that was that. So it was fulfilling.

2001
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: We're all very great people in here. So we talk

2002
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: about analytics a lot. You were kind of ahead of

2003
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 1: your time and the use of stats. I wonder how

2004
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 1: you feel that a tool has evolved in the NFL

2005
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: and is there too much information though available to coaches. Well,

2006
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that there's ever too much information.

2007
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: Any decision you want to make, more information is better.

2008
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I do think this. It's the balancing act. There is

2009
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 1: separating signal from noise. It's it's gleaning what's important and

2010
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: what helps make decisions and what helps put the players

2011
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 1: in position and not slow anybody down with that stuff.

2012
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the what's the what's the same

2013
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: paralysis by analysis? I think that's a old thing. I

2014
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: think you can get a little two bogged up in that.

2015
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm a big fan of information and all

2016
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 1: the information we're gonna use whenever we can get if

2017
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 1: it helps us to a decision and it helps us

2018
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 1: streamline communication and allows players to play faster and coaches

2019
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: to coach better. UM yeah, I'm all for that stuff.

2020
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: And you know I would I did do a lot

2021
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Um here, But you know, it wasn't

2022
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 1: anything new. You know, maybe maybe it's it's under a

2023
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: different package now and you know it's done a little

2024
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: bit different. But coaches have been using analytics as long

2025
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: as uh, you know, as long as the ball has

2026
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: been um, pigskin and laced. Um, you know, there's been

2027
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: some version of analytics. Um. But yeah, UM, I think

2028
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's an important tool to

2029
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: help you to good decisions and help you to be

2030
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: more productive. And um, you know, but you know, like

2031
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: an artist, I think that um, you know, they're there there.

2032
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 1: It's not always paint by numbers. You know, that's never

2033
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: made a good artist. You know that sometimes you have

2034
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: to color outside the lines and sometimes um, you know,

2035
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: sometimes it's you know, use some structure within what you're doing.

2036
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 1: And I would say that, uh you know that I've

2037
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 1: I've learned that so all right, So sorry for the

2038
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: long winded does stuff and and and I do I

2039
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: do want to say what an honor it is to

2040
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 1: be back in northern Ohio here. And you know, when

2041
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 1: when the team left and went to Baltimore, I went

2042
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 1: with them, and we all knew that it wasn't the last, Um,

2043
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: you know that Cleveland was going to see football. It

2044
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 1: wasn't goodbye. It was just so long until we see

2045
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: you again. And to be back amongst the passionate fans

2046
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, Um, you know, it's it's it's you

2047
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 1: want to coach where fans are passionate. I've been very

2048
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: fortunate Philadelphia, Okay, check, We're you know we we we

2049
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 1: had that, Detroit, Yes, Buffalo, you know, I've had some

2050
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: great stops that way, Tennessee. Um, you know, so you

2051
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 1: embrace that part of it. And you know, um, I

2052
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 1: think that's you know that that's an important part of

2053
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: our process, and that's an important part of of what

2054
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 1: the organization goes to. And I feel a tremendous amount

2055
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: of responsibility to the fans here to get this right

2056
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: and to reward them, because you know, I'll forget most

2057
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: plays of the Super Bowl that I was with with

2058
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: the Eagles. I'll forget just about every play in that game.

2059
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: But what I won't forget is that parade afterwards. It's

2060
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 1: indelible in my mind. I'll never forget it. And in

2061
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 1: my mind, there's only one place that would outdo that

2062
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 1: parade in Philadelphia. And um, and we're here right now,

2063
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: so I'm really excited about getting to work. And UM,

2064
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 1: it's an honor to have you know, look over this

2065
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 1: proceeding too. So thanks guys, thank you. Well. That one

2066
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: checks every box. Jim. If that does a movie, I

2067
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: can't help you. That was great. He hit it right

2068
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: out of the park, and he hit it early. His

2069
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: memories here in Cleveland, and I really think his heart

2070
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: was full, you know, coming back here. That was very special.

2071
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: It's always special for me when I get to do

2072
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 1: I had a great time both my pleasure, Sir, the

2073
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: Great Jim Donovan. The next level is coming up next.

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