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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noa.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Longtime listeners, new listeners,

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Speaker 3: friends and neighbors alike, Welcome to September twenty fifth, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. We can't wait to hear from you. This

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Speaker 3: is our weekly listener mail program, which means it's time

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Speaker 3: fans demand it. We need an update on the rutabagas

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Speaker 3: Dunn if you could, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Were That Health Minute with Donnie La Boy is filmed

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Speaker 4: in front of a live studio audience. Hey everybody, it's

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Speaker 4: me Donnie, your favorite TV host. You might also remember

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Speaker 4: my hit song Hong Kong. I'm grooving here Today. On

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Speaker 4: Health Minute, we're speaking with doctor Craigorye Funston, who wants

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Speaker 4: to tell us about a nutritious delicious vegetable called the root.

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Speaker 5: Uh baga.

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Speaker 4: Now I've never heard of these? Are they new? Well, Donnie,

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Speaker 4: they've actually been around for a long time. Hmm, must

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Speaker 4: be pretty under the radar if I've never heard of them, Well,

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Speaker 4: I think you'd really like them. Goodness, super just mashed

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Speaker 4: up like potatoes. Interesting, And it says here there are

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Speaker 4: root vegetable, Yes, like a turn up or a radish. Well,

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Speaker 4: now you're just making up words. Come on, Craig, oh

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Speaker 4: and that's our time. Join us tomorrow when Farmer Tammy

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Speaker 4: is going to show us how to find a rutebega.

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Speaker 4: Supposedly you just dig them up.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I refuse to better and better, don't know?

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Speaker 2: In love spend the effort in the time to create

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Speaker 2: something like that. Dylan warms our hearts greatly.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, phenomenal A word I've been over using often, but

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Speaker 3: it is appropriate in this conversation. Dylan, can you tell

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Speaker 3: us please look the I know the answer already, but

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Speaker 3: could you share with the audience a little bit of

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Speaker 3: the backstory of the legendary Donnie la Boy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe that Donnie la Boy is a name

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Speaker 6: that came from this show, like seven or eight years ago.

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Speaker 6: I remember you tweeting about it that Donnie La Boy

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Speaker 6: was a new character on the show, and I sent

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Speaker 6: you a photoshop of myself and a pink blazer. I

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Speaker 6: was pointing at a watch and it said it's time

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Speaker 6: for Grooven. And ever since then, I've been a big

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Speaker 6: fan of the idea of Donnie and tried to work

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Speaker 6: him in as often as I can.

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Speaker 5: It means Donnie the Boy.

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Speaker 6: Also, fun fact, I sent you that text message of

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Speaker 6: the photoshop, but I actually and it's my grandfather first,

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Speaker 6: with no context.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. We love to see

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Speaker 3: it because we have had this long running inside joke

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Speaker 3: with each other. It makes it on the air sometimes

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Speaker 3: where one of us will come across a turn of

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Speaker 3: phrase and another one will say, that's an amazing album

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Speaker 3: name or that's an amazing band name. And guys, I've

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Speaker 3: been keeping a list.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man Well, and shout out to actor Peter the Boy,

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Speaker 2: who was apparently on Instagram because I just found him

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Speaker 2: as I was trying to find stuff on your lit

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Speaker 7: And also shout out to a friend of the show,

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Speaker 7: Paul Decance, who I believe did a nice photoshop in

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Speaker 7: the same vein of Ben with his pantaloons rolled up

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Speaker 7: standing in the sea, and it was the album cover

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Speaker 7: for the hot new group Soft Yes.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was Paul Good in his back. Paul

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Speaker 3: had a birthday recently, guys, Yeah, well Paul had. That

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Speaker 3: was Poll's soft getback for our photoshop prank war where

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Speaker 3: I had taken a photo of him and called it

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Speaker 3: Soft Yes with the album put Me.

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Speaker 5: Down, because he would often say put me down for

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Speaker 5: a soft yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Well, we have a big family here and we

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Speaker 3: have we have in full disclosure, come from a very

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Speaker 3: report on, and so this is going to be our

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Speaker 3: palate cleanser. We're going to pause for a word from

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Speaker 3: our sponsors, and then we're going to have a ton

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Speaker 3: of messages from you, and oh dang it. I tried

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Speaker 3: to set it up like we were not going to

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Speaker 5: Perfect that was me, that wasn't Dylan. I did that,

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Speaker 7: I didn't even know what you were talking about for

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Speaker 7: a second, but boy, are you right? Cults come in

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Speaker 7: all shapes and sizes and flavors and price points. Whatever

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Speaker 7: level you want to get in on, get on the

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Speaker 5: Boy, oh boy, do we.

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Speaker 7: Have a fun one from a regular contributor to the show,

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Speaker 7: chef Ben here from Chicago. He says, have you ever

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Speaker 7: encountered Cutco knives?

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Speaker 5: Cut cut cut cut, cut, cut, cut cut.

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Speaker 7: Cut, cutting around with Cutco and or the extremely pushy

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Speaker 7: salespeople who come to your house. I recently had a

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Speaker 7: in my home. And since I've been listening to was

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Speaker 7: I in a Cult? On your excellent recommendation The Whole?

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Speaker 7: That's a podcast, by the way, and also we've done

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Speaker 7: episodes on this very topic as well, but do check

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Speaker 7: out the series. The Whole experience seemed very sus to

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Speaker 7: me as a professional cook chef. In fact, I have

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Speaker 7: no use for this particular brand of knives, and I'll

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Speaker 7: the email. They are apparently quite trash. They are apparently

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Speaker 7: and I've done some research into cut code and watch

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Speaker 5: But apparently that is not the case. They dull very easily.

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Speaker 7: The handles are quite cheap, et cetera. You know, so

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Speaker 7: moving on, it's easy to claim stuff. You know, I've

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Speaker 7: claimed to be in my forties. It's also and I

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Speaker 7: continue to claim that because it's true. I have no

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Speaker 7: Ben has his chefly bona fides. But a family friend

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Speaker 5: Everybody's been there well.

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Speaker 7: it's an easy way into making a little pocket cash,

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Speaker 7: and they really love targeting young people who are hard

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Speaker 7: which made me wonder if the do us a solid

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Speaker 7: So you guys tell me. First, there was the love bombing. Okay,

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Speaker 7: big old cult leader tactic.

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Speaker 5: What a beautiful.

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Speaker 7: Kitchen, he says, you must make such wonderful dinners here.

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Speaker 7: You're so lucky to have a chef living in this house.

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Speaker 7: Then came the shaming. The salesfellow looked through my extensive

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Speaker 7: Ben then honed in on the only one to have

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Speaker 7: a wooden handle. You know better than this, he said,

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Speaker 7: He used that knife only as what he compared the

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Speaker 7: not interested in purchasing anything, he switched tactics. You'd be,

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Speaker 7: as a chef, a really good salesman for these knives, fellas.

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Speaker 7: I think he wanted to recruit me into his MLM

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Speaker 5: What do you call those guys' prospects?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, with me, show me the secret spots where someone

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Speaker 5: That's my question. Am I paranoid?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 7: After hours are listening to people describing their CULTI culty

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Speaker 7: one hundred thanks.

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Speaker 7: And then he just very helpfully links this to cutco

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Speaker 7: dot com apparently the Cutco Corporation, which is a I

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Speaker 7: believe the direct sales division of Vector Marketing, also Cubar

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Speaker 7: Knives Incorporated, and Shilling Forge with the Vector Marketing, I

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Speaker 7: think is the interesting part. They have quite the history.

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Speaker 7: They've been around since nineteen forty nine. It's founded by

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Speaker 7: Alcoa and Case Cutlery as Alcast Corporation, making stainless steel

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Speaker 7: knives for Alcoa's Wherever Cookware division. Then, of course, through

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are lonely as well also true

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Speaker 3: of door to door sales Chef Ben, I really wish

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be fun?

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Speaker 7: It's a joke I will never walk away from, kind

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Speaker 7: of like buying luggage at the airport, you know very much.

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Speaker 7: So we also, as we were diving into this when

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Speaker 7: Chef thank you so much for checking out was I

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Speaker 7: in a cult? I ep that along with our pal

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Speaker 7: and brother Paul Decant. So it's it's a very human show.

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Speaker 7: Anybody wants to learn more about cultic activity and tactics,

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Speaker 7: an interesting kind of segue Ben Ben Bowlin and Chef

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Speaker 7: Ben much like the episode that we just did that

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Speaker 7: Cult like traits or tendencies, I don't know that I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing that really blew my mind, guys and

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Speaker 3: A fearless unquestionable leader. Yes, motivation where wherein there's a

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Speaker 2: That's way more expensive than you think. I know, like

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Speaker 5: I'm so curious, guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I wonder if that went into their two

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Speaker 7: And there's a great column from the La Times from

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Speaker 7: important quote. Important opportunity for job seeking students. I'm just

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Speaker 5: It says the single sheet.

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Speaker 5: Is this a dubious way to recruit people?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Here's what you need to know if you or

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Speaker 5: So do check this out.

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Speaker 7: And this actually is from around the pandemic and it

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Speaker 2: I got one last thing, guys. You remember a little

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love this story that I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a We did a whole episode in this.

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Speaker 2: some reading. It's titled Grandma's Fancy Silverware was made by

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Speaker 5: Where can I get? Sign me up? I want some

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Speaker 5: POLYCOMMI sex cult cutlery?

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Speaker 3: Who wrote that one?

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Speaker 2: That's Cedric votes vats votes?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: And can I just add real quick, Ben, you referenced this,

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Speaker 7: In twenty eleven, Vector agreed to pay thirteen million dollars

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Speaker 3: That's so cool being a corporation, guys, even pre citizens United,

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Speaker 3: So chef, what we're saying, without being hyperbolic, is that

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Speaker 5: Just go to h Mart man.

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Speaker 3: I love h Mart cults and.

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Speaker 5: I love cost Co.

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Speaker 7: And there are arguments and discussions about whether or not

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Speaker 7: Anything could be a cult if you look at it

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Speaker 7: But the thing is, we talk about this a lot.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, check out our video which I think really

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Speaker 2: Guys, I got a pitch for some entrepreneur out there,

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Speaker 2: the Wallingford community, according to Wikipedia. Here he coined the

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Speaker 5: Noise Noise Noise.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just do the MLM thing all all the way.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I love it. I think a pun goes a

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Speaker 7: Well, Ben, I mean, we say no pun left behind,

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, this is Sydney from Iowa, and I wanted

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna pause right here. Body rituals of the nasama.

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Speaker 7: I found a on one about scraping the face with

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Speaker 7: a sharp implement.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, yes, okay. So the article is titled body

441
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Speaker 2: Ritual of the Nacerema and what this is in fact

442
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Speaker 2: is ben, how would you describe it? And from what

443
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: you learned in because you actually learned this in class.

444
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: Yes, Matt, that is correct for any fan of nerdy

445
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: anthropology stuff. And again, Sydney can't shout. I can't shout

446
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: you out enough, but shout out to you again. This

447
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: is about how one others or perceives or analyzes a culture.

448
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: The key is, Matt, if it's okay if I say

449
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 3: it on airic can we get the spoiler? Do you

450
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: want to tell people what nacerema is?

451
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Speaker 2: Well, let's continue with the message here from Sydney, and

452
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: we'll have the illumination and it will be global mildly limited.

453
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: Just a bit here we go back to you, Sidney.

454
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Speaker 8: In a perfect world, I would let you look it

455
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 8: up and then you'd call me and then you'd be like,

456
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Speaker 8: oh my god, I didn't realize that was America's fall backwards. Wow,

457
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 8: Kip all of that. It's supposed to be a distorted

458
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 8: view of America in the sense of like othering and anthropology.

459
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Speaker 8: We use it with the AGCOM students to try to

460
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Speaker 8: get them to think about things from a different perspective.

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Speaker 7: A lot of people use it.

462
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Speaker 8: A lot of different ways. I don't know. Yeah, I

463
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 8: thought that was something to look into. You guys talk

464
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Speaker 8: about all sorts of stuff, So I tell you guys later.

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Speaker 2: Ahh okay, So Sydney could have thrown us for a

466
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Speaker 2: loop there. Thank you for you kind of.

467
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Speaker 5: Gave it away in the message. Honestly, we had to

468
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Speaker 5: pause the.

469
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Speaker 2: Message then play it again next time. If y'all have

470
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Speaker 2: something really cool to show us that we probably don't

471
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: know about, go ahead and like, see if you can

472
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 2: stay away from spoiler territory and just let you know,

473
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: let us find it, because then we can all discover

474
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: it together on air. Is that do you think that's

475
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Speaker 2: an okay suggestion?

476
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Speaker 8: You guys?

477
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Speaker 5: I love doing that.

478
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Speaker 3: Take us I'm always saying it right, take us.

479
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: To the edge of the love that night. But no, Ding, Sidney,

480
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: that's still awesome. Thank you so much. The reason, Noel,

481
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: you were asking about what did you say something.

482
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Speaker 7: About scraping a sharp implement across the face as a

483
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Speaker 7: way of appearing I don't know. Basically, it's like sort

484
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Speaker 7: of this anthropological way of approaching like stuff that we

485
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 7: do that seems really normal, but when you put it

486
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 7: in those terms, it seems kind of weird.

487
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Speaker 2: Yes, it seems strange. So if we jump a little

488
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Speaker 2: bit further into the original writing here again from nineteen

489
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Speaker 2: fifty six Maria a tiny bit more just so we

490
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Speaker 2: can feel, and then we'll examine a couple later things

491
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: that were written in the same vein. So this is

492
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Speaker 2: again body ritual among the nace Arima Naserrima culture is

493
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Speaker 2: characterized by a highly developed market economy, which has evolved

494
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Speaker 2: in a rich natural habitat. While much of the people's

495
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Speaker 2: time is devoted to economic pursuits, a large part of

496
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Speaker 2: the fruits of these labors, and a considerable portion of

497
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Speaker 2: the day are spent in ritual activity. The focus of

498
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Speaker 2: this activity is the human body, the appearance and health

499
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Speaker 2: of which loom as a dominant concern in the ethos

500
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Speaker 2: of the people. The fundamental belief underlying the whole system

501
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: appears to be that the human body is ugly and

502
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: its natural tendency is to debility and disease. Incarcerated in

503
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Speaker 2: such a body, man's only hope is to avert these

504
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: characteristics through their use of ritual ceremony. Every household has

505
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: one or more shrines devoted to this purpose, and of

506
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: course there it's talking about bathrooms, places where a person

507
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Speaker 2: can change and go through all of these body rituals

508
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Speaker 2: to make us not so filled with debility and disease

509
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: and grapitude. Really fascinating. Just again, I'm trying to think

510
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: of the right word, guys. Just an exploration in all

511
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: these things that Sidney described there, and probably extremely fruitful

512
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Speaker 2: for someone studying anthropology, right, especially a younger student coming

513
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Speaker 2: through and perhaps having an interest in maybe indigenous cultures

514
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: and ancient cultures and things like that that do they're

515
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: written about like this, right, Like, Oh, look at these

516
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: curious groups of people who did these curious things, and

517
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: then just to have a mirror held up literally in

518
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Speaker 2: the bathroom to us all shaming and I guess putting

519
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: on concealer.

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Speaker 3: I like the bathroom reference there, Matt. It reminds me

521
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: of previous conversations we've had that Sydney you might enjoy.

522
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm always baffled when I go into a large western

523
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: metropolitan area or a large metro area in general, because

524
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: we talk about what future historians will think about the

525
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: remnants of modern culture. Right, Will the interstate bridges be

526
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: confused with aqueducts? Will we all simply conclude that this

527
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: society worshiped penises. Is that how we explain skyscrapers, Is

528
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: that why everything looks phallic? We also accept so many

529
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 3: things when you're bubbled in a society. We accept so

530
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: many things as normal. And I'm not going to subject

531
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: us all to my rant about neckties. I still don't

532
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: get it. We did episodes about this. It's one of

533
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: the best examples of weird, relatively non functional things that

534
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 3: people accept us.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so absolutely, Ben. There is another piece based on

536
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Speaker 2: the Nocerama that was written in nineteen seventy two. This

537
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: is titled The Mysterious Fall of the Nocerema. This one,

538
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 2: I would say is equally as important because it is

539
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: it's that viewpoint that we've talked about before on the show,

540
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: looking back at especially the United States culturally, from all

541
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Speaker 2: of these years in the future and seeing what remains.

542
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: And it's that very thing you just said, Ben, talking

543
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Speaker 2: about what the air was like and subjected to and

544
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: altering the appearance of the environment to fit the Nocerama's

545
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: ideology was given such a hype priority that the community

546
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: completely controlled the amassing of resources, manpower, and intelligence for

547
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: this purpose. Here's a quick quote. On a more limited

548
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: territorial basis, The Nocerema spent great time and energy constructing

549
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: narrow ribbons called streets across the landscape. Some streets were

550
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: arranged in connected patterns, and in regions with a great

551
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: concentration of people. The patterns, when viewed from the air,

552
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: increased in size and became more elaborate. Other ribbons did

553
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: not follow any particular pattern, but aimlessly pushed from one

554
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: population center to another.

555
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Speaker 3: Like Anaska lias. Right, that's the vibe. It reminds me

556
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: too of the Sydney If you've listened before, you've probably

557
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: heard this. It reminds me of our conversations many years

558
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: ago regarding how dumb and weird traffic lines are going

559
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: to look to future historians. We always talk about that, right,

560
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: Imagine explaining a motor vehicle interaction to either an extra

561
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 3: terrestrial or someone from i'd say even just eight thousand

562
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: years in the future, and you say, what, there are

563
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: these painted lines on the road. Right. Anybody who gets

564
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: hit with one of these things will die, especially at

565
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: the speeds they're going. But we don't swerve like oh,

566
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Speaker 3: so the painted lines prevent you from hitting other people.

567
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: You say no, it's kind of an honor system, and

568
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, so it was perfect. These were a righteous, noble,

569
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: empathetic civilization. They go, no, no, they killed each other

570
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: all the time because we want to go fast, because

571
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: we want to go fast and we want to be

572
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: first one. I mean, that's it, right, Oh, that was good.

573
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Speaker 2: Okay, we're weird. We're all kind of weird and awesome incredible. Right, Well,

574
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: we get together and we just do weird stuff and

575
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: we all think it's normal.

576
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Speaker 5: I love it.

577
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: I love it, and it's strange. That's all I have

578
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: to say.

579
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: On that note.

580
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Guys, I'm going to go to one of my ritual

581
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: centers probably and I'm not going to change my face

582
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: or anything, but do the other thing we do in bathrooms.

583
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: Poop fantasize about Dave and Busters wild peeing.

584
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: I had a fifty to fifty chance of getting.

585
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back with more messages from you.

586
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: And we have returned. We're going to go to kill

587
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: deer fake out who hipped us to something that Well,

588
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: I'll see if we're all aware of this beforehand, but

589
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: this was news to me. Kill deer. You say, hey, guys,

590
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: just recently heard a program on public radio about some

591
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: crazy contamination in cold Water Creek in Saint Louis, Missouri.

592
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: This piqued my interest because I spent the first four

593
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: years of my life in that area, and I promptly

594
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: checked with my parents to see whether we live near

595
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: that creek. Smart kill Deer, we would have done the

596
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: same thing. Looks like, I'm clear, that's fantastic news, but

597
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: it still gives me the willies to think about it. Apparently,

598
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: says kill Deer. The government was refining uranium in Saint Louis,

599
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: uranium later used in the first atomic bomb. However, the

600
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: government did not warn the local public of the effects

601
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: of living near this radioactive waste. The waste contaminated a

602
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: local stream, and the public was kept in the dark

603
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: about it for almost forty years. Forty years be next

604
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: to uranium enrichment in refinement, kill Deer says, I don't

605
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: remember all the details clearly from the radio program, but

606
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: it sounds like even in the nineteen nineties, not to

607
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: date myself with nineteen nineties, we checked, the area was

608
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: heavily contaminated and people were only just finding out. Let's

609
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: pause here before we go back to Kill Deer. Did

610
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: you fellas hear about this?

611
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 5: Not this one?

612
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 8: No?

613
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: Oh aware?

614
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: And it's a shame that we have to say.

615
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just found out, not to docks anybody, but

616
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 7: that this company I used to work out in my

617
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 7: hometown that the family that owned it also owned a

618
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 7: garbage dump that polluted a poison the water in a

619
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Speaker 7: whole neighborhood. And there's like a documentary about it. So

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying to your point, like this stuff is around.

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Speaker 3: I am Jack's continual lack of surprise unfortunately, and I'm

622
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: sure I speak for all of us when I say

623
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Speaker 3: that I hope there's some kind of redress or justice done.

624
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 7: I haven't seen the documentary. It was brand new information

625
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 7: to me. Gonna look into it, we'll report back. Yeah, yeah,

626
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 7: let us know what you find. I'd love to watch

627
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 7: it as well. Back to Kill Deer, Kill Deer, you continue,

628
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 7: you say I thought this was up your alley. With

629
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 7: it being a contamination site combined with a government secret,

630
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 7: it looks like clean up is ongoing and will continue

631
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 7: for at least another decade. And then here Kill Deer

632
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 7: recommends a book. We're going to shout it out because

633
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 7: we love reading a primary source. It's called newt Echoes

634
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 7: of the Hiroshima, Bob and Saint Louis by Linda C.

635
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 7: Maurice spelled Morice, so pardon any mispronunciation there.

636
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: You're welcome to read this email on air. I'd love

637
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: for you to go into more detail on this topic.

638
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: Kill deer, fake out, well, guess why kill deer. We're

639
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: going into a little bit more of this as it

640
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: may be an episode. You are absolutely correct. The radio

641
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: program is true. I don't know the full timeline yet,

642
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: I don't think we do, but we can tell you

643
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: that nuclear waste, yes was stored outside of Saint Louis,

644
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: and as early as nineteen forty nine Boffins, an environmentalist,

645
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: and concerned citizens were saying, Hey, should we have all

646
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: this nuclear waste by the creek?

647
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, creek with the crawdads.

648
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. Should we like, I don't know, maybe

649
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: put up a sign or something that says don't go

650
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: in the creek. If you don't like nuclear way.

651
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: Why don't we walk down there and just take a

652
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: look around, see if anything's amiss and if it's.

653
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: Dip some Toes County eyes on the fish, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. See if we got Simpsons with it.

655
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Speaker 3: This comes to us. We want to recommend Missouri Independent

656
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Speaker 3: excellent journalism by Alison Kite, who pointed out in January

657
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Speaker 3: of last year that the contaminated creek is still contaminated,

658
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Speaker 3: but we'll finally have warning signs about seventy five years

659
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Speaker 3: after the fact. So we got the signs. Guys. It's

660
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: the little winds, it's the baby steps, so they are.

661
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Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, the US Army Corps of

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Speaker 3: Engineers said in a public statement, we're working with the EPA.

663
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Speaker 3: We're going to add signs along the creek to help

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Speaker 3: us monitor areas that may pose a risk if disturbed

665
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Speaker 3: in this sense. In this statement, I think we see

666
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: a little bit of purposely vague language. What does disturbed

667
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Speaker 3: mean exactly? Does that mean you dig up stuff, you

668
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: dig too deep or right? Or does it mean that

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Speaker 3: you just walk over there? Does that counts disturbing? Is

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Speaker 3: disturbing their?

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, like walking across someone's grave in

672
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Speaker 7: certain ways of looking at things, could be considered an

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Speaker 7: act of disturbing the dead.

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Speaker 3: And this creek, by the way, you know, one thing

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Speaker 3: we always do, folks. We pull up we pull up maps,

676
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: we pull up sat Nav and stuff like that to

677
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Speaker 3: get a sense of the lay of the land. This

678
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Speaker 3: creek goes through a lot of very busy public place

679
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Speaker 3: It only has parks, schools, subs.

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Speaker 5: Guys, are there any bad yelp reviews on Google Maps?

681
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Speaker 3: Out of okay? Well that's not as bad as out

682
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Speaker 3: of ten. I'm working on being more positive.

683
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Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that, Ben,

684
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Speaker 5: doing our best.

685
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a genuine conspiracy because Uncle Sam,

686
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: for more than half a century resisted public concern, right

687
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: kept telling people there was nothing to worry about. But

688
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: the call was coming from inside the house. This area

689
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: is very clearly contaminated. The cleed up that is hopefully

690
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: occurring is coming about from a twenty nineteen conclusion from

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Speaker 3: the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, another government

692
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: agency that I think none of us knew existed. Nope, Ah,

693
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: so surprising. It's I feel like we're running into this

694
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: more and more often when you learn there's an official

695
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: statement from a thing that we didn't know existed. Like

696
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: how many government agencies are out there with those very

697
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Speaker 3: specific interest.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the maps, Ben, as you're saying here,

699
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: just kind of tracing Coldwater Creek through all like behind

700
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: all of these neighborhoods, like you're saying, and then trying

701
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: to find, well, where is the source? And I'm finding

702
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: a couple of things that might be it, but I

703
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: haven't looked it up yet, So I think we just

704
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: needed to dig deeper here.

705
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we don't want to spoil it too much,

706
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: just like we asked everybody here not to spoil a

707
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: good story too much when you reach out to us.

708
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: So we know some of these answers, but we very

709
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: much feel this is going to be an episode and

710
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: guys peak behind the curtain how the sausage gets made.

711
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: We do know the official historian of Oak Ridge, so

712
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: probably going to reach out to him as well. Love

713
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: to hear what he has to say. You're meeting him,

714
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: such a nice guy, phenomenal storyteller. He was helping me

715
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: hunt down the missing head of a statue in Knoxville.

716
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Speaker 5: Was it Jedediah Springfield?

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00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: Close? Yeah, it was sevierv Yeah, it's kind of the

718
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Speaker 3: Jedediah Springfield of Knoxfield.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't that a plot in a Simpsons episode? Simpsons did it?

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Speaker 7: There was a body part removed from the statue. I

721
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Speaker 7: want to say it might have been inspired by your story,

722
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Speaker 7: which I'm looking forward to hearing more about.

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Speaker 3: Oh geez, yeah, help us find the missing statue head

724
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 3: of Sevier. So what we can tell you right now, Killdeer,

725
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: is that Coldwater Creek is very much contaminated. In two

726
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: thousand and two, there is a very recent aspect of it.

727
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: Investigators found radioactive material at a local elementary school, the

728
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Speaker 3: Jana Elementary School ja n A. And they found not

729
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: just one instance of contaminating or radioactive substance, they found

730
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: a mixtape including lead to ten, radium, polonium, and uh rogues,

731
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: gallery of other less you know, headline grabby but equally

732
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: dangerous stuff.

733
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Speaker 2: Equally firebars sells like a volume of Now that's contamination volume.

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Speaker 5: That's what I call contamination. That can stop edition.

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Speaker 3: Now that's what I call rutebate radio radio.

736
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Speaker 7: Do you know, Dylan, you gotta do that, now, you

737
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 7: gotta do Yeah, you gotta do like a fake infomercial

738
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 7: mixtape compilation version of remails.

739
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dylan, I'm sorry, I said just so many dumb,

740
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: rutebate ideas. But it's just we're fans and folks. We

741
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 3: hope you're fans of Dylan's work as well, either as

742
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: Donnie Laboy or as Dylan Fagan, because uh, we're not

743
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: gonna stop doing this, just to be clear, like every like,

744
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: we are a democracy, okay, but we're limited democracy and

745
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: we dig this bit.

746
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 7: It is a can style. Won't stop with the rude

747
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 7: begas kind of situation.

748
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: So anything you have to say other than tremendous phrase

749
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: over our rudabag obsession will be roundly dismissed.

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00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 5: Will be weird about.

751
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: It will be abrupt and weird and way less diplomatic

752
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: than we usually are. We do want you to know

753
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: that the Army Corps of Engineers has been cleaning up

754
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 3: Holdwater Creek for lo these many years. We're talking about decades.

755
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: Even before they put up the signs, they were trying

756
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: to get in front of this. Yet even as we

757
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: record now, locals are saying that the authorities refuse to

758
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: share detailed information with the public about what they're finding

759
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: and how they are attempting to fix it. It reminds

760
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 3: me of the Turkey Point salt plume. To be honest,

761
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: totally what you got to hide?

762
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 8: Do?

763
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: We want to tell you just a recap for anybody

764
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: who hasn't heard that episode. The Turkey Point.

765
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 7: Saw a salinity issue in the groundwater I believe caused

766
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 7: by an oddly structured nuclear site that was sort of

767
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 7: like cooled in an unusual way.

768
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Speaker 5: I believe.

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00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 7: We commented on how it was like, this didn't seem

770
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 7: like it was the best idea.

771
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: It was, yeah, yeah, very much.

772
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 8: So.

773
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: It's a great description though, because Turkey Point attempted to

774
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: use existing water to create a complex system of canals

775
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: to cool their nuclear activity, and they did it because

776
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: they had some missteps and miscalculations and the original construction

777
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: of the nuclear part of the facility, and they kept trying

778
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: to bandiate it. And it's a huge issue, and it's

779
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: one that outside of that part of Florida, a lot

780
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 3: of people haven't heard about it. And this Cold Water

781
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: Creek debaccle seems quite similar. I don't know. It's weird

782
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: because every time friends and neighbors we ask you for

783
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: more stories of local contamination conspiracies, we get them how

784
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: much stuff is out there, you guys. We also recently

785
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: got an email about a debacle here in our home

786
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: state of Georgia, and I think we should go check

787
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: that out in person. Did you guys see that one?

788
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 5: I don't think I know the one you're referring to.

789
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: We'll follow up with that, pardon the cryptic teas we've

790
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 3: got more stuff to do. We received a great letter

791
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: we'll get to in our next listener mail about the

792
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 3: nature of optimism, but for now we're going to end

793
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: with a letter from a home that we set up

794
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: in the beginning. This is from the Shepherd. Just can

795
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: read it in full and then get a reaction before

796
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: we close out Listener Mail. Good evening, Jed's just a

797
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: quick suggestion for an alternative name for your upcoming conspiracy crews,

798
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 3: considering the nautical history of the places you will be visiting.

799
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: We'll get to that shut Up Triangle, the epicenter of

800
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: pirate shenanigans. Then surely you guys will be on a

801
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: wait for it, conspiracy cruise. Conspiracy Dylan, thank you for

802
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: the drum riff. How did we miss that one? You're welcome,

803
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: no pun left behind. I don't think I get it

804
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: because it's a conspiracy. But with the dash it becomes

805
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: CON's piracy piracy.

806
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 5: Yes, I was thinking, yes, I got it. No, that's

807
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 5: good time.

808
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: We miss that one. Keep up the great work and

809
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: looking forward to the Bermuda Triangle Live from the Bermuda Triangle.

810
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 5: Feel free to.

811
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: Use this if you wish. The Shepherd thank you so

812
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: much for having our six. We cannot believe we missed

813
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: that one. It was right there. It's the stuff that's

814
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: under your nose, right, like the PI said, investigating a mustache.

815
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: But uh so with that, we want to tell you

816
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: that we are indeed going to the high seas. This

817
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: was a great reference cons by receipt. How do we

818
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: miss that? Do we want to give the details about

819
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: our adventures on the on the ocean.

820
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh, it's coming up quick, you guys. From October tenth

821
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: until the fifteenth, we will be on the high seas,

822
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: hanging out with Virgin Voyages, doing a true crime cruise.

823
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: High seas as in the ocean. We're not just going

824
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: to get back into high sea and ecto cooler, but maybe.

825
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 7: Hopefully they've got some on board. That's a delicious refresher.

826
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 5: But it's true. We're going to be doing a live podcast.

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Speaker 7: From the Red room, which is the flagship theater space

828
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 7: on the what is it the Valiant Lady. Yeah, and

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00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 7: pretty excited to do that. Looks like an amazing space.

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00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 7: And I think we're also going to be doing some

831
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 7: meet and greets and some trivia and just hanging around,

832
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 7: so you know, I think it's not too late. If

833
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 7: you want to book your voyage, you can check out

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00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 7: Virgin Cruise Lines website.

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Speaker 3: And bring some Mecto coolers. Folks, thank you so much

836
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 3: for hanging out with us. We can't wait to see

837
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: you here on air or in person on our continuing

838
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 3: strange adventures, and we'd love to hear your thoughts. Big

839
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: thanks to Kill Deer, Fake Out the Shepherd, Big thanks

840
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: to Sydney and of course Chef Ben Join up, follow

841
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: their example, take a page from their book and reach

842
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,879
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843
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: You can find us online, you can call us on

844
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: the phone, you can send us email, email, do.

845
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,440
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846
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 7: You can find us online in fact of the handle

847
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 7: conspiracy Stuff, where we exist, on Facebook with our Facebook

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Speaker 7: group Here's where it gets crazy, on x FKA, Twitter,

849
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 7: and on YouTube, where we have lots of videos for

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00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 7: you to check out and enjoy on Instagram and TikTok. However,

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00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 7: we're Conspiracy Stuff Show.

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

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Speaker 2: three st d w y TK. Go ahead and call it.

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00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: We have so many great voicemails lately. Call it like

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Speaker 2: Troglodyde and Joe and poor to Potty John. Don't forget

856
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: Sydney and KD. We're going to talk to you soon.

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00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: Call in the three minute voicemail. Say whatever you want

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Speaker 2: regarding one of our episodes, some we should cover in

859
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: the future, some hot take you've got, maybe a cold take,

860
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: how about those? Anything you want to say, Give us

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00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: a call, give yourself a cool nickname, and let us

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00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: know within the message if we can use your name

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00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: and message on the air. If you'd like to send

864
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: us an email, you can do that.

865
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Speaker 5: We are the.

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00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be

867
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,479
Speaker 3: well aware, yet out afraid. Sometimes the void writes back

868
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: more and more often these days. Actually we're having some

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Speaker 3: great correspondents regarding all sorts of stuff that we cover

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Speaker 3: in our episodes. Want to give a quick shout out

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Speaker 3: to time Jockey who wrote just a really great question

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Speaker 3: that we're going to cover in a future listener mail,

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Speaker 3: or maybe when we hang out off air, if we're

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Speaker 3: still doing that in the meantime. Be a part of

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Speaker 3: the show. You're our favorite part, well, Dylan, sorry, the

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Speaker 3: audience is our favorite part. You're a very close second.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally get it.

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Speaker 4: The audience is my favorite part too.

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Speaker 3: So we can't. I'll wait to hear from you. Send

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Speaker 3: us the link, send us the images. Take us to

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Speaker 3: the edge of the rabbit hole. We'll do the rest.

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Speaker 3: We're out here until the lights go off. Conspiracy at

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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