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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be, However, you may be listening a

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Speaker 1: big story today before we get to great Cosel. Big

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Speaker 1: big story today breaking in Baltimore. Mike Preston, a respected

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Speaker 1: long term beat reporter that covers the Ravens, breaks the

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Speaker 1: story today that Lamar's falling asleep in meetings that you know,

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Speaker 1: he's playing video games late into the night. When he

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Speaker 1: does show up to mandatory camp, he shows up for

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Speaker 1: a day, there is some belief as he's gotten Let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, now he's going to be twenty nine next year.

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Speaker 1: That was Cam's last great year. Now, I think Lamar

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Speaker 1: is a much better all time quarterback because I think

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Speaker 1: he's more consistent, I think he's more I just think

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Speaker 1: Lamar is really an all time unique talent, but hyper

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Speaker 1: athletic athletes in any sport age faster than a guy

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Speaker 1: like Philip Rivers who can do it from the pocket. Right.

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Speaker 1: So I've always said Steph Curry will be able to

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Speaker 1: shoot threes until he's fifty. You know, the guys with

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Speaker 1: forty seven inch vertical jumps, they can age very very quickly.

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Speaker 3: So it's a very concerning story.

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Speaker 1: I've always been a huge fan of Lamar Jackson, but

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Speaker 1: next year his cap hit is twenty four percent of

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Speaker 1: Baltimore's cap bo Nix His is less than two percent,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams less than four percent. So the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: not a low self esteem franchise. I've talked about this

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Speaker 1: for year Cleveland, and I mean, they'll guarantee Deshan Watson's

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Speaker 1: contract because they have such low sport self esteem. Baltimore

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Speaker 1: arguably best owner in the game, great owner, great coach,

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Speaker 1: great equity, great fans, unbelievable brand. I could absolutely see

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Speaker 1: them taking a phone call from the Raiders of the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, why would the Raiders and Dolphins do that?

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Speaker 1: If you watched the Raiders play the last five years,

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Speaker 1: if you watched the Dolphins regressive quarterback this year. I've

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Speaker 1: always had a rule, there's about six quarterbacks in the league,

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Speaker 1: and I know I say this too often. I would

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Speaker 1: not even pick up the phone, no matter the offer.

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Speaker 1: I think Drake May's become one of those guys, obviously,

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Speaker 1: like Mahomes, Josh Allen. Then there's another six to eight

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Speaker 1: guys that I'm not going to get on the phone

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Speaker 1: and call people. But I would take a call if

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Speaker 1: you offered me three firsts Lamar to me was always

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Speaker 3: Now he's transitioned.

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Speaker 1: If this is true, and I trust Mike Preston, he's

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Speaker 1: in the second one, I'll take phone calls.

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Speaker 3: Then there's about.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen GMS, fifteen teams. You should get on the phone

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Speaker 1: and make calls to upgrade a quarterback. That's most of

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Speaker 1: the league. But Lamar was always one of those Herbert

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, Mahomes like untouchable, falling asleep at meetings,

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Speaker 1: this is just I as we can all see it.

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Speaker 1: He's getting banged up. It's the first time I've watched

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Speaker 1: him and thought, where's the juice? I don't see it,

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Speaker 3: It's just fascinating with that.

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel forty six years NFL Films. Okay, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about somebody that's not hyper athletic. Philip Rivers, and I

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Speaker 1: forty four, we can stop there. All of us who

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan said, here's all I know. When we play,

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Speaker 1: he always throws to the right guy. That's a little underrated.

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Speaker 4: And I'm older than fifty, so okay, But anyway, Philip River,

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Speaker 4: it just blows me away. The guy hasn't played in

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Speaker 4: five years. He looks exactly the same, you know, if

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Speaker 4: He's just one of those guys that innately sees the

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Speaker 4: It was one of those things where he actually was

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Speaker 4: but he threw He is just it's remarkable to me.

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Speaker 4: I watch him and I'm totally in awe of just

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Speaker 4: I mean, doesn't he look exactly the same as he did,

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Speaker 1: He was unathletic in his prime, So yes, I mean

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Speaker 1: last year with the Chargers, He's like, Yeah, he's probably

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Speaker 1: never really worried a lot about that, Like, that's just

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Speaker 1: not that's not what we lean into. Jared Goff's not

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Speaker 4: Like, I mean, it's you know what, you know what

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Speaker 4: it's like. It's like if you if you're compairing it

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Speaker 4: joker in Denver. I mean that guy. I've had people

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Speaker 4: tell me he may be the most unathletic player in

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Speaker 4: the NBA, and all he does is win MVPs every year.

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Speaker 4: I mean it just some guys just see it, feel it,

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Speaker 5: It's in their DNA, all right.

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Speaker 1: I was sort of taken back by the fact that

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey had twenty seven touches. The Niners this year

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Speaker 1: I look at him and I'm like, Okay, they are

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Speaker 4: Across, Well, what comes across is how physical and hard

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Speaker 4: because he's just one of those guys. He's just Look,

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Speaker 4: and because of that, some people think he's lost his step.

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Speaker 4: But he runs so hard, and they use him in

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Speaker 4: the past game. I mean, obviously in the past game,

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Speaker 4: they use him really well. He's a matchup nightmare. They

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Speaker 4: he lines up in multiple spots. Look, you see him

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Speaker 4: here beating guys, beating linebackers. That first touchdown he call

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Speaker 4: one where we just saw. You know, they use him

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Speaker 4: in multiple ways, and they are so good with the

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Speaker 4: see this motion and I wish I knew what they

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Speaker 4: called it, where Yuschek kind of lines up as a

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Speaker 4: they are very much a choreographed offense. You know, I

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Speaker 4: and it was almost a master class in two different

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Speaker 4: ways of playing quarterback. You had Rivers, who is a

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Speaker 4: pre snap master of the position. He controls the game

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Speaker 4: So it's two different styles of quarterbacking and they both

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Speaker 3: Okay, Caleb Williams did it again?

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I've asked you this question

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Speaker 1: a lot, but you know you can give me the

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Speaker 1: same result, but you can incrementally improve. Do you kind

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Speaker 1: of feel like the last eight weeks he's the same

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Speaker 4: He is, Well, you can always improve the mental part

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Speaker 4: they're coaching him and they're working on that part of it.

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Speaker 5: So that's hard to know.

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Speaker 4: How Ben Johnson, who's obviously very good at designing a

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Speaker 4: so you can always improve and build upon that.

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Speaker 5: That's the mental part. But when you just.

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Speaker 4: Talk about the physical part of the game, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're dealing with a guy that has really high level

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Speaker 4: We'll get to Justin Herbert he's another guy like that,

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Speaker 4: But Caleb Williams is like that. He just spins it

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Speaker 4: the move. The ball comes out great. I mean that

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Speaker 4: winning touchdown throw was just ridiculous. I mean, and we're

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Speaker 4: looking at it now. I mean, you couldn't have handed

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Speaker 4: don't know what's sixty yards in the air and obviously

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Speaker 4: bad weather, so you know, yeah, there's always improvements to make,

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Speaker 5: Clearly getting better. It's incremental each week.

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Speaker 4: When you see a great thrower a great play, I

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Speaker 4: don't think you're surprised because he's got the physical traits

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Speaker 4: to do it. And I'm sure if Ben Johnson was

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Speaker 4: listening to our conversation, he could reel off five things

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Speaker 4: right away in which he needs to improve.

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Speaker 5: But that's typical. He's only a second.

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Speaker 4: Year player and a first year player in the system,

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Speaker 4: but it's obvious what the physical traits are now.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you were defending him early when he

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Speaker 1: was struggling a bit, you kept.

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Speaker 3: Saying to hear you say this much.

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I know is what I see, And

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Speaker 1: what I see is like crazy, Yeah, it's not Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean stuff I haven't seen before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's no question we get caught up a

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Speaker 4: lot in when you see a guy make a play

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Speaker 4: that is a special play physically. I mean we saw

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Speaker 4: cam Warden make one of those plays this week, running

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Speaker 4: are quarterbacks that are capable of doing that. Then there

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Speaker 4: are quarterbacks as you mentioned, like a River's or a gop.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to make those plays, but they do

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Speaker 4: other things at a really high level.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence, you and I I loved him.

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Speaker 1: I got all because I love college football, so I got.

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Speaker 3: All looked up on him.

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Speaker 4: But their defense has played exceptionally well. They're not a

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Speaker 1: All right, Eagles Bills is a headline game. I want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anything you see with Buffalo in this matchup with Philadelphia,

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Speaker 5: That they just don't have enough.

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Speaker 1: So Texans Chargers. I'm an understood USC homer, but I

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Speaker 3: Let's talk a little.

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Speaker 4: Look, and you and I both know that Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've got four really good receivers. Okay, I

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Speaker 5: He plays meaningful snaps.

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Speaker 4: They will play big people, they will get physical, you know.

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Speaker 5: Normally when people say that, it's a bunch of garbage.

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Speaker 4: ridiculous throw. The safety can't get there. It's such a

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Speaker 4: good throw, and when you see it from another angle,

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Speaker 4: you're just.

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Speaker 5: Going to see.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, you know, I'm not going to sit

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Speaker 4: here and say, gee, no one else can make this throw.

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Speaker 4: But the key thing here to me is he sees

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Speaker 4: this as a viable throw.

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Speaker 5: I talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that there's no metric for, or

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Speaker 4: there's no stat for, is throws that should be made

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Speaker 4: that aren made, and throws that quarterbacks see as viable throws,

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Speaker 4: because not every quarterback would see that as a viable

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Speaker 4: throw because they know they're not comfortable making it. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Herbert can make any throw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is special.

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Speaker 1: Texans, Chargers, Eagles, Bills, Niners, Bears. There's some great matchups.

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Speaker 1: Greg is a really good ones. Happy Holidays, thanks con

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Speaker 1: same to you.

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Speaker 5: Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 6: Pally Fools gohead with Tony Fools Go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: As everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning

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Speaker 7: Polly and Tony Fool's Go Show. Yeah, but instead of

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Speaker 7: us telling you how great we are, he is out.

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Speaker 7: Dan Patrick described us when he came on our.

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Speaker 8: Show, quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: Were interrupting our promo?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he wasn't talking about you.

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Speaker 2: You took those clips totally of context.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well after this promo, I'm gonna take you

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Speaker 7: out and beat you.

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Speaker 6: Let me put this into context.

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Speaker 5: Shut up.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, just listening to the Pauly and Tony Fusco Show

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Speaker 2: Yee news, This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 6: All right, you want to talk Pro Bowl? We got

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Speaker 6: more Pro Bowl stuff for you. Sam Darnold is a

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Speaker 6: Pro bowler. Colin your guys slinging semmy d He has

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Speaker 6: uh had a pretty damn good season. Seattle's the number

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Speaker 6: one seed. But it's weird. Everybody's saying, well, you know,

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Speaker 6: he kind of fails late and late in the season

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Speaker 6: in the playoffs. His head coach, mister McDonald, he disagrees.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think of big moments, was Sam.

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Speaker 8: I'm thinking the guy that took us down the field

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Speaker 8: in San Francisco we needed one in, the guy that

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Speaker 8: scored that helped us win the game against Arizona at

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Speaker 8: the very end, I'm thinking of the guy that put

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Speaker 8: us in field goal range when we're on the minus

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Speaker 8: one against the Rams to go kick a field goal

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Speaker 8: to win it. I'm thinking of the guy that in

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Speaker 8: forty seconds took us down the field to kick a

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Speaker 8: game winning field low against the Colts. So I mean,

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Speaker 8: show me the times where in big moments this guy hasn't,

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Speaker 8: you know, responded as a seahawk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's funny. I hear this. I just

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Speaker 3: heard this the other day from a guy on the train.

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Speaker 1: Well, he said, he said, this guy, I think he

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Speaker 1: was talking about Caleb.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't won a big game.

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Speaker 1: For everybody out there, you do realize there's seventeen games

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Speaker 1: and they're almost all big because once you lose more

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Speaker 1: than five of them, your chance of making the playoffs

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Speaker 1: are small. I know you think big game is Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams has played the two Packer games are the

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Speaker 1: two biggest football games in his life.

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Speaker 3: Like, so let's stop this.

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Speaker 1: Well, Sam darn, every Rams game is big, They're all.

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Speaker 1: Every Niners game is a Seahawk quarterback is huge. Those

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Speaker 1: are big games.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to do this. I'm not gonna slander

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Speaker 6: Sam Donald. I'm not going to challenge you on the

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Speaker 6: four interception game he had against the Rams in LA.

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Speaker 6: It's the holiday season, telling Let's move to the next story.

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Speaker 6: Let's go more Pro Bowl. Actually, I mean that's what

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Speaker 6: people are talking about right now. How about this Eagles

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Speaker 6: DC Vic Fangio. By the way, I have an interesting

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Speaker 6: bet on Eagles Bills. We'll talk later. Eagles defensive coordinator

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Speaker 6: Vic Fangio says Pro Bowl voting needs an overhaul.

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Speaker 10: I think they need to form a committee for the

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Speaker 10: Pro Bowl. Get a couple retired coaches, a couple retired

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Speaker 10: personnel guys, couple retired players that are we'll take pride

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Speaker 10: in it, and they name it. Not all everybody and

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Speaker 10: their mother's got.

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Speaker 1: Repoteh interesting, Well, his corners both made it.

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Speaker 6: Was there, freaking awesome Mitchell and Diseaster.

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Speaker 3: I feel pretty good.

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Speaker 1: If you're Howie Roseman, you draft a couple of corners

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Speaker 1: one year both quickly become Pro Bowler, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: GMing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, not a bad job. Uh, it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, does he have a point. Do they need

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Speaker 6: a committee? They did approach me about voting on the

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Speaker 6: Pro Bowl, and I was like, I'm not doing it

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Speaker 6: like it's the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Pro Bowl Hall of Fame's I would

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Speaker 1: redo that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 1: I don't care much. I mean, I think I looked

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Speaker 1: at the list this morning. I looked at it yesterday

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Speaker 1: and this morning. I think they mostly get it right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, you know Martin on the staff, he's

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Speaker 6: really he's like did Jared Goff get snubbed for Donald

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Speaker 6: and he put the numbers side by side, and I'm like,

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Speaker 6: golf had a marginally better year.

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Speaker 1: And also Donald's team can be a number one seed,

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Speaker 1: so there is something well with cornerbacks, You're going to

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Speaker 1: be judged. Largely, it's the team over underachieving. Lions feel

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Speaker 1: like shouldn't they be better? The lead offensive guys, so.

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Speaker 6: That some of its Plakoff's fault though the offensive line.

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Speaker 6: I mean they they they lost their center before the season.

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Speaker 6: You know, they never never figured that out, and the

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Speaker 6: secondary is hurt. So I don't know. I mean, I can't.

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Speaker 6: I just can't get that worked up about a Permon snub.

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Speaker 6: You know. Uh, final story call, Let's go back to

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Speaker 6: the Bears. We got I got a drug no no

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Speaker 6: no no jets in the in uh herd line this week.

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Speaker 6: But the Bears are hot, they're rolling. Caleb Williams was

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Speaker 6: asked about all these crazy comebacks. I'll throw the word

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Speaker 6: lucky in there for you because you love that word. Uh. Anyways,

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Speaker 6: here's what Caleb said about this incredible season.

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Speaker 9: You know, I do take a little satisfaction and and

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Speaker 9: things like that, and you know, being able to help

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Speaker 9: this team, help this organization be a part of it,

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Speaker 9: you know, to get to the playoffs. And you know,

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Speaker 9: my goal isn't to just get to the playoffs. My

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Speaker 9: goal is to win and win and win big. And

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Speaker 9: so you know, I'm gonna keep my head down. I'm

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Speaker 9: gonna keep growing, uh for the guys in this building,

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Speaker 9: for the coaches and things like that, for this organization,

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Speaker 9: and and and for the city. UH to be able

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Speaker 9: to be proud and happy to be fans supporters of

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Speaker 9: Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny about luck. I do believe

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Speaker 1: luck exists. I just think everybody gets the same amount

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Speaker 1: over the course of their life of luck and dis

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Speaker 1: unluck and unlucky. And it's just some people aren't good

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Speaker 1: at taking advantage of the luck they get. Ian I've

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Speaker 1: only known one person in my life. I used to

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Speaker 1: laugh at this. His name was Randy Still, a friend

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Speaker 1: in Vegas. Every time we go to a golf tournament

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Speaker 1: and you fill out those you know, you buy twenty

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Speaker 1: dollars worth of like tickets or something that he won

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Speaker 1: a golf bag every time or golf shoot. I used

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Speaker 1: to always say, I mean literally, I don't think he

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Speaker 1: ever bought anything. He won everything he had. He was

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Speaker 1: a great golfer. But I do think by and large,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of quarterbacks have had these opportunities and they

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Speaker 1: just haven't made the place. Everybody gets equal amounts of luck.

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert got a couple of coaches that weren't good,

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Speaker 1: then he got a great coach. Matt Stafford had a

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Speaker 1: couple of coaches that weren't elite, then he got McBay.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of time, you will get Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: eventually got really good coaches. He just didn't get them

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Speaker 1: in New York. So eventually everybody gets some break.

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent. Listen, if I win the Powerball drawing tonight,

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Speaker 6: I think it's like one point six billion dollars, that's luck.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, it is.

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Speaker 6: That is straight up luck.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Then revisit you in ten years, and if you lost

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Speaker 1: seventy percent.

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Speaker 3: Of it, you didn't take it advantage of me.

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Speaker 6: I ain't losing seventy percent of that. Yeah, I'm definitely not.

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Speaker 6: But like we talk careers, Colin, you know, I started

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Speaker 6: as an ink stained wretch. I was hated the newspaper industry.

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Speaker 6: Got lucky that I started a website started writing about

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Speaker 6: the media, including the guy I'm talking to here on

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Speaker 6: the show, and then I get lucky, and like, there's

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Speaker 6: different kinds of luck, and I would say, getting an

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Speaker 6: onside kick Saturday night, Oh yeah, yeah, the rate of

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Speaker 6: onside kicks that have worked this season. That was look

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Speaker 6: Romeo on the handsteam.

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Speaker 1: But it should be noted when Dobbs touched it and

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Speaker 1: didn't secure it, there were six bears all over it. Fair.

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Speaker 1: I mean they were literally there was an army of

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Speaker 1: Bears all over it.

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Speaker 3: So say what you want.

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Speaker 1: The special teams coach for the Bears, they knew where

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Speaker 1: that ball was going. The kicker delivered it, Romeo Dobbs

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Speaker 1: had it hit his hand and there were like six

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Speaker 1: Bear jerseys in one packer jersey. So I even that,

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Speaker 1: you can say it's luck. How many onside kicks are

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Speaker 1: fielded cleanly? Not that many. There's a lot of bobbling.

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Speaker 1: He bobbled, boom bears everywhere.

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Speaker 6: Just remind people last year when the Chiefs were rolling

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Speaker 6: in the one score games, there was one man, one

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Speaker 6: loading voice in the wilderness saying how lucky they were

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Speaker 6: and they would have to pay the piper. And that's

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Speaker 6: like an old one they did this year and this

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Speaker 6: year it's happened. So I'm not saying the Bears are

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Speaker 6: going to regress next year with this one score stuff.

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Speaker 6: But keep an eye on another very fortunate team in

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Speaker 6: the AFC with a quarterback you like a lot that

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Speaker 6: they've been They've been running hot in one score games

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Speaker 6: and you know that stuff evens out calling.

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Speaker 3: Jmckle the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by third

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Speaker 2: line News.

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Speaker 1: As a coach with a playoff team sort of on

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Speaker 1: the hot seat and some stalking stuffers we're passing out

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Speaker 1: around the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Next in the.

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Speaker 2: Hurt, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 2: weekdays in noon eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 6: Monday night on FS one, it's a college hoops triple

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Speaker 6: header starting with number nine Michigan State hosting Cornell. Then

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Speaker 6: it's Big Ten Women's hoops as six Frank Michigan take

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Speaker 6: John Oregon Oregon. Then out West it's Utah versus Washington.

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Speaker 6: It all tips off at seven pm Eastern only on

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Speaker 6: FS one.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is the giving season and it's always better

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Speaker 1: to be a giver, not a taker, and so I

659
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Speaker 1: thought i'd hand out a foo a few I don't know,

660
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Speaker 1: Gridiron gifts, NFL stocking stuffers, Jamack, are you ready?

661
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: You give me?

662
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 9: Ready?

663
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 6: My friend weren't ready?

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00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: All right?

665
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 6: Go ahead, all right, Colin? First up? What's your gift

666
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 6: for Bills quarterback Josh Allen?

667
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: Well, he has scored thirty seven of the fifty two touchdowns.

668
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: How about a thra gun pro massage gun to sue

669
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: those sore muscles that have helped carry your franchise to

670
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: each and every win seventy one percent of offensive touchdowns

671
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: Buffalo has scored seventy one percent by Josh Allen? All right?

672
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 6: What's your gift for Patriots quarterback.

673
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Drake May Eleven games with one hundred plus passer rating

674
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: tie for the most in the league. How about a

675
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: lousy T shirt? Drake can't go home and MP handed

676
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: this year, so I got him May. I played an

677
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: MVP worthy season, but all I got was this lousy

678
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: T shirt. Second best odds after Stafford at twenty three

679
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: years old to win an MVP.

680
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 6: All right, what's your gift for Jets coach Aaron Glenn.

681
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: Inn Osha bulldozer certification. J Mack to your beloved Jets.

682
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: This franchise is as stable as a Jenga tower. Time

683
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: to tear it.

684
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: Down and rebuild already.

685
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 6: Oh what the heck is that?

686
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 5: All right?

687
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 6: What's your gift for Philip.

688
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Rivers of the Colts. How about his own NFL franchise?

689
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean Rivers and his ten kids. That's a starting eleven.

690
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I've already got him eighth in my herd hierarchy. The

691
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: best family in the NFL, the Philip Rivers family deserve

692
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: their own franchise.

693
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 6: Okay, what do you give it? Travis Kelcey of the Chiefs.

694
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: You know I thought a lot about this. She did.

695
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Travis Kelcey a joint custody agreement for

696
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: the future, mister Taylor Swift, and the reason being is

697
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: that way mahomes can still have you on weekends.

698
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 5: Oh wow?

699
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 6: That what's your gift for Jackson Dart?

700
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Jackson Dart, who I like, a Fisher

701
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Price playground. I know he's twenty two, but you're not

702
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: too old for this. Spend some time learning how to slide.

703
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: Learn how to slide?

704
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: Listen Five trips to the medical tent, learn how to slide.

705
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 6: Bro I like the hat backwards in that as well.

706
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 6: What's your gift for Caleb Williams?

707
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: Oh, this is easy Las Vegas residency. I mean he

708
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: may be the new King of Chicago, but he puts

709
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: on a Bruno Mars level show every week. Caleb Williams, Baby,

710
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: he is getting his own residency in Vegas.

711
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 6: Well, all right, what are you giving your man crush

712
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 6: Jared Goff?

713
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: How about a digital photo album so he can relive

714
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: all the great memories he had with Ben Johnson.

715
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: It's been a rough season.

716
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 6: Of Wow, that's ours and finally, be careful here, what

717
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 6: are you giving my guy Brock Purdi.

718
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: Well, I thought about this, Jaymac, and you have been

719
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: one of his most ardent supporters. I'm giving him a

720
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: gift certificate to two to mastros So Jmack and Brock

721
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: pretty get table, white tablecloth talk endlessly about their favorite

722
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: person me two for dinner, taken Champagne are stocking stuffers.

723
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: So the story of the day which emerged it emerged

724
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: today about halfway through the first hour is according to

725
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: Mike Preston, who's a very good, very serious, very respected

726
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: reporter for the Baltimore Ravens. Now, remember this is something

727
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, and I know stuff gets out when somebody

728
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: wants it out. Why did this story suddenly get out?

729
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson had a pretty disappointing last five or six weeks.

730
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: Right this year not been good, banged up comes back,

731
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: not that he has fallen asleep in meetings, playing video

732
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: games at night. They moved their practices to mid afternoon

733
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: because Lamar doesn't like early morning practice. That when they

734
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: do criticize him, he shrinks, he would draws. He doesn't

735
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: like criticism. And Jamak brought this up. And I think

736
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: both of us have always thought he's already good. Ive

737
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: always thought he's better in the pocket that he was

738
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: given credit for his said rookie year. He is more

739
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: runner than thrower. But he's gotten pretty good at that is.

740
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: His cap pit next year is massive, twenty four percent.

741
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: That is ungodly. His cap hit next year is twenty

742
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: four percent of the Ravens hap bo Nick's denver one

743
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: point seven percent, Caleb Williams three point six percent. That

744
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Your hands are tight as a GM. Your

745
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: hands are tight as a coach. If you have injuries,

746
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: you're down to third stringers.

747
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: So uh. There are some quotes here in.

748
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: The article that will put up I am a fan

749
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: of Lamar Jackson. One of the quotes, A major problem,

750
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it on the Ravens is that there

751
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: are team rules and then there are rules for Jackson. Well,

752
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: I'll defend him a little there. Once the Ravens become

753
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: critical of him, he becomes more withdrawn. It's clear the

754
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: coach Harbaugh has become tired of Jackson. Nick Wright, for

755
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: the record, has been on this for a lot of

756
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: the year, and Mike Preston is a very respected guy,

757
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: so you know the injuries are piling up next. He's

758
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: always been hyper athletic. Now Mahomes and Josh Allen are

759
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: athletic too, but they're also unbelievable all time guys in

760
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: the pocket.

761
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: Lamar is good in the pocket.

762
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: But he really his secret sauce has always been he's

763
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: the most elusive quarterback, the fastest quarterback I've ever seen.

764
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: It's hard to even put two or three guys in

765
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: the history of football in his class. And that's his

766
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: secret sauce. And it's not that big of a secret.

767
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: He's just hard to prepare for ohwas dominated the NFC

768
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: teams which don't see him very often. If you see

769
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: him for a first time, it's just hard to comprehend

770
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: how elusive he is. So but now the injuries are

771
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: piling up. He's a massive cap hit. He's withdrawing when

772
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: there's criticism his window. And you know the NFL, you

773
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: know in basketball and baseball and mostly in hockey, you're

774
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: not being tackled. So you know, for offensive players, a

775
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: lot of these offensive skill players, your windows are quick.

776
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's last great year twenty nine, Cam was a

777
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: better athlete than he was a sit in a pocket,

778
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: pre snap audible guy. He was just an absolutely mammoth

779
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: great athlete. He aged very fast, big bend to me

780
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: aged fast. Aaron Rodgers forty two, still slick because Aaron's

781
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: great pocket, Stafford Brady Breeze.

782
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: So he is.

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00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: I do think he has now become the kind of

784
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: quarterback that is still Pro Bowl level in his best years.

785
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: But is he somebody that the Ravens would take a

786
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: call on. Now, let me throw another quarterback out, Joe Burrow. Okay,

787
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: I would never take a call on Joe Burrow. But

788
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: after his third injury, I'd take a call. I would

789
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: not take a call on Drake May, Justin Herbert, Patrick, Mahomes,

790
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I wouldn't take a call on Bonix and

791
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Caleb right now because they're such small percentages of the

792
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: cap and they're very good young quarterbacks. I'm not taking

793
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: a call. But there's always about six or seven guys.

794
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: Lamar was one of them. You just don't even pick

795
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: up the phone. I think he's moved it into the

796
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: group of the next six or seven.

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00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 6: So Colin I was just digging into, like we've talked

798
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 6: about this all week, the cap situation, right, So once

799
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 6: you pay Lamar, you have to get ready and say, hey,

800
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 6: we got to move off these guys with the Chiefs

801
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 6: and Mahomes, they lose their offensive line. You see the

802
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 6: result this year. I was just looking so Baltimore essentially

803
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 6: coming into the season, bet on a twenty twenty two

804
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 6: to fourth rounder and a twenty twenty three seventh rounder

805
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 6: on their offensive line because they could not afford Morgan

806
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 6: Moses John Simson, good call. Those young guys in the

807
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 6: draft did not pan out, right, You only get a

808
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 6: couple swings in the draft, So when the offensive line

809
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 6: doesn't work and Lamar is injured, all of a sudden,

810
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 6: you've got like nothing, and that we saw it with

811
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 6: the Chiefs. I'm just really curious what's gonna happen with

812
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 6: that offensive line on the Bengals. It already isn't great.

813
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 6: Borrow got hurt again.

814
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Miami Dolphins of the Raiders,

815
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: do you not make a call?

816
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 6: Oh? Of course you do. I would not be surprised

817
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 6: if already calls were not made. Now, we don't know

818
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 6: what about the Dolphins with their GM situation. They ran

819
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: him off. But if i'm McDaniel, I'm like, guys, Lamar

820
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 6: jack you could be Lamar Jackson. You got to keep me.

821
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 6: I think that helps McDaniel's cause. Raiders are interesting because

822
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 6: if you get the chance to coach Lamar. I mean,

823
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 6: I don't think they keep Pete Carroll. Sorry, I know

824
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 6: you guys are friendly. I don't see that happening, but yeah,

825
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 6: I would probably trade that number one or number two

826
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 6: pick of Mendoza enroll with Lamar if I was the Raiders.

827
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 6: They need to sell tickets, they want to be on television.

828
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 6: You know, they're not getting any prime time games.

829
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: No. And here's the thing, folks, I've never understood this

830
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: criticism of people.

831
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: New information equals new opinion. Period.

832
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: We didn't know this, We didn't know what was going on.

833
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Teams trying to hide this stuff. So why does it

834
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: get out? Because the Ravens want it out. That's why

835
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: stuff get up. We've all had secrets in our life

836
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: that don't get out. You know, Companies don't want them

837
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: out right. When stuff leaks, it's because they want it out.

838
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: And I mean, we find out a lot of stuff

839
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: during the Belichick Brady era that didn't get out until

840
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: there was a divorce between Brady and Belichick. And then

841
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Seth Wickersham write book, you know, Connor writes a book,

842
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Benedict. Then all the books come out, you know,

843
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: as the relationship gets worn down in the last couple

844
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: of years together. And then eventually, you know, Brady goes

845
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: to Tampa. So I think when when stuff gets out,

846
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: there's there's people that, you know, because some of this

847
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: is Harbaugh's getting ripped, Harpball's getting criticized, the front office

848
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: is getting criticized, and they're like front office in Baltimore.

849
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 6: It's not on us, it's not all.

850
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: Us, guys, time out. It is not all us.

851
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: So Mike Preston's a very good reporter, and during the

852
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: breaks we've been kind of going back and forth on

853
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: this story, and I think, yeah, I think you get

854
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: new information. And if you're literally rigid, stubborn and dumb,

855
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: if you're getting information and not using it, it's like

856
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: George Pickens in week seven, Oh my god, this is amazing.

857
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: George Pickens in week thirteen, always pouting new information, adjust

858
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: to it. So I this is a massive story from

859
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: one of the top three or four or five quarterbacks

860
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: in this league the last several years.

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Speaker 3: Hour three on a Wednesday, coming up,